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Bronc62
12-06-2011, 01:26 PM
<a href="http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19481626
">NBC, CBS fighting over Tim Tebow vs. Tom Brady</a>


By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Updated: 12/06/2011 01:12:31 PM MST

Tim Tebow and the Broncos may be headed to prime time again, but not if CBS gets its way.

The NFL and NBC want to switch the Broncos' Dec. 18 game vs. New England at Denver to its Sunday Night Football broadcast at 6:20 p.m. Kickoff currently is scheduled for 2:15 p.m., but NBC wants to show the game in favor of a Baltimore-San Diego matchup that had previously been scheduled that night.

NBC's contract with the NFL gives the partners a "flex" schedule to switch to a more compelling game than the one originally scheduled for prime time.

CBS, which has the game in its afternoon slot, has been fighting the move, as has Patriots owner Robert Kraft​.

Whichever network gets it will have a likely ratings bonanza, with Tebow and the Broncos, who have won five games in a row, meeting quarterback Tom Brady​ and the Patriots.

If the move is made, it will be the third prime-time game for the Broncos this season. Denver played Oakland on Monday Night Football to open the season, and against the Jets on Thursday Night Football on Nov. 17.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-06-2011, 01:27 PM
Why would Kraft fight the move?

crush17
12-06-2011, 01:32 PM
Why would Kraft fight the move?

My question as well...

oubronco
12-06-2011, 01:33 PM
Well with Kraft fighting the move I doubt it gets flexed

bronco militia
12-06-2011, 01:35 PM
it's like Monday night game for the Pats....they will lose a day of rest flying back to the east coast Monday Morning



booohoo!

TonyR
12-06-2011, 01:35 PM
Why would Kraft fight the move?

Maybe he's like me (living on the east coast) and doesn't want to have to stay up late!

rbackfactory80
12-06-2011, 01:40 PM
Those night games are always more difficult for visiting teams. I don't blame him.

Smiling Assassin27
12-06-2011, 01:42 PM
He's still pissed about this:

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DomCasual
12-06-2011, 01:46 PM
Those night games are always more difficult for visiting teams. I don't blame him.

He can cry me a river. They get on Sunday Night games all the time. It's part of the deal. We haven't had one in a few years, and it would be an event for us. The stadium would be rocking! Plus, while I don't pretend to know the specifics about how NBC's contract works, I do know they paid a premium to be able to have the Flex option. It seems to me that they either can have it, or they can't have it. What CBS and Robert Kraft has to say seems irrelevant.

rbackfactory80
12-06-2011, 01:52 PM
He can cry me a river. They get on Sunday Night games all the time. It's part of the deal. We haven't had one in a few years, and it would be an event for us. The stadium would be rocking! Plus, while I don't pretend to know the specifics about how NBC's contract works, I do know they paid a premium to be able to have the Flex option. It seems to me that they either can have it, or they can't have it. What CBS and Robert Kraft has to say seems irrelevant.

Hell yeah, I want it bad. That energy will be crazy and difficult for the Pats to match.

I just have watched too many favorites walk into that night game buzz saw. Usually it is just a terribly difficult game for a visiting team.

ludo21
12-06-2011, 01:53 PM
i want it flexed personally

strafen
12-06-2011, 02:01 PM
I guess people do want to see Tebow play after all.
For those who never seen the guy play may be wondering why do they want to see a guy who can't play, can't throw or win in the NFL, huh? :thumbsup:

ColoradoDarin
12-06-2011, 02:02 PM
On one hand I'd like it flexed so I know I'll see the game (without finding a stream)

On the other, I hate staying up that late (and having to calm down after the game either pumped or pissed, I was up until almost 1am after the Jets game, and my 8 month old doesn't like to sleep in).

I think I'd rather have it flexed, let's have us a GAME!

Rabb
12-06-2011, 02:04 PM
the one god damn game I cannot go to this year too....sigh

ScottXray
12-06-2011, 02:05 PM
He can cry me a river. They get on Sunday Night games all the time. It's part of the deal. We haven't had one in a few years, and it would be an event for us. The stadium would be rocking! Plus, while I don't pretend to know the specifics about how NBC's contract works, I do know they paid a premium to be able to have the Flex option. It seems to me that they either can have it, or they can't have it. What CBS and Robert Kraft has to say seems irrelevant.

Ratings for Tebow games are big.....I'm sure CBS had this penciled in as their premiere game that week. They not only lost the Minny game to Fox last week, now they are facing losing another premiere game just because NBC wants it. Both networks have paid big premiums to the League and the Balt SD game is still relevant, although the Denver /NE game may be more so ( to be determined in the next few weeks).

As far as NE they have to face a hot Miami team the next Sunday also. Lose to us and then Miami and they could lose their seed position. Yes, its cry me a river, but CBS has a valid gripe and there is the Detroit at Oakland game that also may be relevant, and that Fox would have to give up.

The fact is that NBC wants this game Simply because of ratings and not because it is more relevant to the playoffs ( technically )... Baltimore/SD was the game they thought would have meaning and just because Phyllis crapped the bed earlier this year doesn't mean they won't give Baltimore a tough game. In fact I think that they might win this one.

strafen
12-06-2011, 02:11 PM
Another little known Tebow effect...

kamakazi_kal
12-06-2011, 02:16 PM
My guess is that Kraft worships the Devil and fears the wrath of the guiding light on national television. It's a double wammy since I also believe that Brady sold his soul to get his QB status and smoking hot wife.

Broncbow
12-06-2011, 02:18 PM
I guess people do want to see Tebow play after all.
For those who never seen the guy play may be wondering why do they want to see a guy who can't play, can't throw or win in the NFL, huh? :thumbsup:

They are fighting over him. CBS loses and so too does Kraft. He is just one of 32 and the owners all want to bank and moving this game to a primtime slot is money in the bank.

Make no mistake about it, this game gets moved, it is a contractual prerogative of the NFL.

DomCasual
12-06-2011, 02:20 PM
Ratings for Tebow games are big.....I'm sure CBS had this penciled in as their premiere game that week. They not only lost the Minny game to Fox last week, now they are facing losing another premiere game just because NBC wants it. Both networks have paid big premiums to the League and the Balt SD game is still relevant, although the Denver /NE game may be more so ( to be determined in the next few weeks).

As far as NE they have to face a hot Miami team the next Sunday also. Lose to us and then Miami and they could lose their seed position. Yes, its cry me a river, but CBS has a valid gripe and there is the Detroit at Oakland game that also may be relevant, and that Fox would have to give up.

The fact is that NBC wants this game Simply because of ratings and not because it is more relevant to the playoffs ( technically )... Baltimore/SD was the game they thought would have meaning and just because Phyllis crapped the bed earlier this year doesn't mean they won't give Baltimore a tough game. In fact I think that they might win this one.

I wonder if a game like the Detroit-Oakland game is the key. There has to be payback for the game last weekend getting moved to Fox. Why would CBS just give up that game, with no compensation? Maybe they're insisting that Detroit-Oakland get Flexed, so they end up with an extra game (they would then have DEN-NE and BAL-SD).

I wonder if part of the deal on any Flex move will have to be moving one of the AFC-NFC games to CBS. Right now, the options would be GB-KC and DET-OAK.

Shotgun Willie
12-06-2011, 02:25 PM
Kraft hasn't exactly been endearing himself to the NFL lately as he's doing everything possible to find a workaround in their rule against owners running casinos. He's well on his way to having one built right next to freaking Gillette stadium and he hasn't even shown the league the courtesy of a simple phone call.

This could be one way they could make their feelings known without going too far.

Pick Six
12-06-2011, 02:28 PM
As I said in the other thread, I'm ready to do something productive by Sunday night. This would suck, if it were flexed...

OBF1
12-06-2011, 02:29 PM
In before page 2

bronco militia
12-06-2011, 02:30 PM
My guess is that Kraft worships the Devil and fears the wrath of the guiding light on national television. It's a double wammy since I also believe that Brady sold his soul to get his QB status and smoking hot wife.

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lol-manning-troll.jpg

bowtown
12-06-2011, 02:31 PM
They are fighting over him. CBS loses and so too does Kraft. He is just one of 32 and the owners all want to bank and moving this game to a primtime slot is money in the bank.

Make no mistake about it, this game gets moved, it is a contractual prerogative of the NFL.

And would you like to explain exactly how Kraft loses in this scenario?

Rabb
12-06-2011, 02:33 PM
And would you like to explain exactly how Kraft loses in this scenario?

prime time games are awful for teams, duh

Broncos_OTM
12-06-2011, 02:40 PM
I dont want the game flexed i work that night and would miss it. but then again they have been working hte crap out of me this year and have only watched 4 games anyways

Oleg Gordievsky
12-06-2011, 02:41 PM
Robert Kraft is puss man! Oleg feeling sorrow for wife loss. Make no mistake. But that is said and doing. Step up, Kraft man. Let world see your dumbsky team face mighty hero Tebow! Heads will make rolling! Oleg kidding you never!

kamakazi_kal
12-06-2011, 02:43 PM
I dont want the game flexed i work that night and would miss it. but then again they have been working hte crap out of me this year and have only watched 4 games anyways

so your admitting you don't count. Next.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 02:57 PM
Had no idea there was a Russian Horvil Tiki.

I'll be there either way so FLEX IT!

Hope it's not 20 below wind chills though.

Drunk Monkey
12-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Flex the **** out of that game!!! Us non Bronco country people need some flexing up in here. FLEX!!!

Broncos_OTM
12-06-2011, 03:07 PM
so your admitting you don't count. Next.

My fan card is bigger then yours, butt munch.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 03:52 PM
Some new insight

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/NBC-and-CBS-are-in-a-Tim-Tebow-tug-of-war?urn=nfl-wp13351

Makes it sound like CBS had to decide which game it wanted to protect from Flexing quite awhile ago, likely pre-Tebowmania. So they doubt CBS protected this one of all games. Guess we'll find out.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 03:56 PM
Personally I think Lions/Faders could be the real ratings winner.

I'd give even money someone gets knifed in a pile at some point.

TheReverend
12-06-2011, 04:04 PM
Poor thread title. I came in ready for a posedown :(

SureShot
12-06-2011, 04:10 PM
Poor thread title. I came in ready for a posedown :(

Maybe it will bring Bronco Warrior back.

DomCasual
12-06-2011, 04:15 PM
Maybe it will bring Bronco Warrior back.

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Archer81
12-06-2011, 04:29 PM
I want them to flex it...but OTOH, the acid churning anxiety would only build up through sunday.

:Broncos:

maher_tyler
12-06-2011, 04:53 PM
Why would Kraft fight the move?

http://www.cbsscene.com/CBS_Scene_pressrelease1.pdf

If it were up to Kraft, the Pats would play every game on CBS.

DomCasual
12-06-2011, 05:06 PM
They're running out of time to get this finished. I've heard it's supposed to be done twelve days in advance. That would be in about an hour and fifteen minutes.

24champ
12-06-2011, 05:38 PM
I'm not sure what they're fighting about -- there are clear-cut rules for how this works. NBC can indeed swap its game for another game, but only after Fox and CBS have both chosen to "protect" one of their games, which essentially says to NBC, "Hey, hands off, bucko."
So either CBS protected the Broncos vs. Patriots game or it didn't. The decisions on which games to protect had to be made months ago (pre-Tebow), so it probably didn't. Whether or not there's some wiggle room to that, or CBS is allowed to change its mind, I don't know. My guess is that Robert Kraft can have considerable influence over anything he wants to influence.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/NBC-and-CBS-are-in-a-Tim-Tebow-tug-of-war?urn=nfl-wp13351

Garcia Bronco
12-06-2011, 05:43 PM
Stop the flex!

oubronco
12-06-2011, 05:55 PM
Flex the **** out of that game!!! Us non Bronco country people need some flexing up in here. FLEX!!!

Flex It Please!!!!

oubronco
12-06-2011, 05:56 PM
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LOL :thumbsup:

Garcia Bronco
12-06-2011, 05:59 PM
Indon't think you guys understand how butt ass cold it is. It might be warmer by then, but when that sun goes down its fuggin cold.

SureShot
12-06-2011, 06:02 PM
Flexin in a lexus from long beach to Texas

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 06:03 PM
The league will not make a decision on whether it will flex #Ravens-Chargers tonight. Decision expected tomorrow morning

Per official Ravens site. MaxBroncos reports this is a violation of the league rules though. What a cluster f!

DBruleU
12-06-2011, 06:15 PM
Indon't think you guys understand how butt ass cold it is. It might be warmer by then, but when that sun goes down its fuggin cold.

Then stay home Nancy...

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-06-2011, 06:16 PM
i know of a way to settle this CBS NBC hell in a cell match falls count anywhere no holds barred but you can only see it on ppv.
i just hope that lil weasel ESPN don't sneak in and bash NBC in the head with a chair while FOX distracts the ref

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 06:41 PM
Stand down, no decision until tomorrow per official Broncos, Ravens, Boston Globe etc.

"All clubs under consideration to have games flexed are interested in strongest schedule for fans and network partners." #Broncos #Patriots

Bronc62
12-06-2011, 06:52 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/12/nfl_to_decide_on_patriots-bron.html

CEH
12-07-2011, 08:09 AM
According to Gary Miller , contract reads NBC can flex to a game with playoff implications. I would consider SD and Balt playoff implication. Does not read NBC will get the best game

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 08:12 AM
According to Gary Miller , contract reads NBC can flex to a game with playoff implications. I would consider SD and Balt playoff implication. Does not read NBC will get the best game

I've never heard the playoff implications bit. I know in week 17 they get leeway on the date of change so as to ensure one with playoff implications but since the flex schedule starts at like week 8 or something, it's way too early to worry about anything but a good game. First I've heard of such a criteria.

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 08:16 AM
Networks are fighting over the Broncos!

They like us. They reeaaaaaly like us! :)

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 08:19 AM
Networks are fighting over the Broncos!

They like [Tim Tebow]. They reeaaaaaly like [Tim Tebow]! :)

FIFY

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 08:22 AM
Come on. Guy's not even a competent fullback. :)

Peoples Champ
12-07-2011, 08:26 AM
He's still pissed about this:

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My favorite play as a bronco fan post superbowl times. Tom bradys first playoff loss.

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 08:31 AM
Only playoff game I've ever been to. Glad I did that one and not the Steelers the next week. :)

Archie
12-07-2011, 08:53 AM
Come on NFL.... make a decision already!!

I'm all-in for the Flex...

Blart
12-07-2011, 09:02 AM
Decision was supposed to be made in the AM (east coast) - so 1 hour left.

He's still pissed about this:

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I watch this every morning

Archie
12-07-2011, 10:00 AM
I seriously can't believe how long this is taking the league to do... Unprecedented...

ludo21
12-07-2011, 10:07 AM
seriously.

I would be pissed if i was coming to the game with a flight that leaves that night.

the traveling fan is always getting crapped on


(i do want it flexed tho..haha

55CrushEm
12-07-2011, 10:15 AM
http://www.cbsscene.com/CBS_Scene_pressrelease1.pdf

If it were up to Kraft, the Pats would play every game on CBS.

This. I was just going to post the link myself.

Greatspirits
12-07-2011, 10:28 AM
If it messes up the Pats travel plans...Flex it!!

Archie
12-07-2011, 10:29 AM
seriously.

I would be pissed if i was coming to the game with a flight that leaves that night.

the traveling fan is always getting crapped on


(i do want it flexed tho..haha

agree, it would suck if you had those plans and I'm sure people do. But if you are travelling then you have to know that it's possible. From week 10 on it can happen. (Although you would probably be excused for not thinking Denver had a chance a month ago).

Kaylore
12-07-2011, 10:32 AM
Networks are fighting over the Broncos!

They like us. They reeaaaaaly like us! :)

http://theconnorchronicles.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/mom-of-the-year.jpg

BroncoBen
12-07-2011, 10:37 AM
If it messes up the Pats travel plans...Flex it!!

Lol... Who knows maybe it does mess up the travel plans, at least makes the Pats take the Red Eye flight back home.

Blart
12-07-2011, 10:51 AM
Still no word. Here's an article as proof that there's no word:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/still-no-word-on-week-15-flex-decision/


On Tuesday night, the league said that a decision regarding whether Ravens-Chargers will be flexed out of prime time will be made on Wednesday (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/06/week-15-flex-decision-expected-wednesday-morning/). The Ravens said it would come Wednesday morning.
If it has been made, it has yet to be shared.
As of this posting, the NFL has not announced whether Ravens-Chargers will stay put or whether the Patriots-Broncos game will slide into the 8:20 p.m. ET position.
Either way, a decision needs to come soon. Maybe in the end Commissioner Roger Goodell will do what he did to decide whether the Jets or the Giants will host the first game at the new stadium they share.
Flip a coin.

Rolandftw
12-07-2011, 11:28 AM
Considering they're already late, I doubt it gets flexed at this point.

Dagmar
12-07-2011, 11:30 AM
The Chargers believe its not being moved.

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 11:32 AM
Considering they're already late, I doubt it gets flexed at this point.

It's only a difference of 4 freaking hours. Yesterday, today, tomorrow....I really don't think anyone's life is going to be inconvenienced by a small delay in the announcement. It's still 11 days away.

Kaylore
12-07-2011, 11:36 AM
It's only a difference of 4 freaking hours. Yesterday, today, tomorrow....I really don't think anyone's life is going to be inconvenienced by a small delay in the announcement. It's still 11 days away.

But its a huge difference in revenue lost to CBS and gained by NBC. I want it flexed. I'm in Church from 8:30-4 most Sundays. This is a game I could actually watch live.

55CrushEm
12-07-2011, 11:37 AM
http://theconnorchronicles.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/mom-of-the-year.jpg

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Dagmar
12-07-2011, 11:39 AM
I want it flexed because I love the Broncos being the center of attention and to be honest, while I don't expect to win against NE, if we did, and on national TV?? Jings everything would be crazy!

Rohirrim
12-07-2011, 11:39 AM
But its a huge difference in revenue lost to CBS and gained by NBC. I want it flexed. I'm in Church from 8:30-4 most Sundays. This is a game I could actually watch live.

8:30 to 4!? Holy crap! What kind of church is that? Are you trying to reach sainthood? ;D

Rolandftw
12-07-2011, 11:40 AM
It's only a difference of 4 freaking hours. Yesterday, today, tomorrow....I really don't think anyone's life is going to be inconvenienced by a small delay in the announcement. It's still 11 days away.

It's not about inconvenience. It's more about the NFL having a rule about it being 12 days, and it passing that point.

I hope it gets flexed, but it looks incredibly unlikely at this point.

Blart
12-07-2011, 11:40 AM
I think the Broncos will play harder if its flexed. Patriots will be intimidated - they'll be favored and unable to understand hype that doesn't revolve around their coach/qb.

DBruleU
12-07-2011, 11:40 AM
8:30 to 4!? Holy crap! What kind of church is that? Are you trying to reach sainthood? ;D

Mormons.

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 11:43 AM
But its a huge difference in revenue lost to CBS and gained by NBC. I want it flexed. I'm in Church from 8:30-4 most Sundays. This is a game I could actually watch live.

No doubt. But I was simply addressing the issue of the timing of the announcement and any conclusion one could make about the decision based off of the fact that it was already late. I'm not ready to say that it's staying put just because the announcement hasn't come yet.

Basically, anyone that was going to be inconvenienced by the change will be inconvenienced the same no matter whether it was made yesterday, today or tomorrow. And no people that wouldn't otherwise be inconvenienced will now all of a sudden be inconvenienced just because the announcement was delayed by a day or two. Either they have airline insurance or they don't, essentially.

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 11:45 AM
It's not about inconvenience. It's more about the NFL having a rule about it being 12 days, and it passing that point.


But they already admitted that this was a special circumstance and that timing was being thrown out the window. Unless it drags out for another few days, I'm simply not ready to read anything into it one way or the other. I really do think it's still at least 50:50, if not more, in favor of it being flexed.

v2micca
12-07-2011, 11:47 AM
Mormons.

Even for Mormons that is excessive. You get conned into a Bishopric calling Kaylore?

broncocalijohn
12-07-2011, 11:50 AM
The Chargers believe its not being moved.

It is good for them because it would give those great Chargers fans a few more hours to realize that their game is blacked out and make the trek down to Qualcomm Stadium. Then again, if there is a threat of rain or just dark clouds in the sky, it won't matter as they won't be showing up.

DomCasual
12-07-2011, 11:51 AM
Even for Mormons that is excessive. You get conned into a Bishopric calling Kaylore?

He would have to be. Mormon church is three hours, generally.

If he's in the Bishopric, then someone really screwed up. Dude's evil.

Rohirrim
12-07-2011, 11:53 AM
And I thought growing up Catholic was tough. ;D

HorseHead
12-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Not to be Captain Buzzkill, I just hope we beat 'Da Bears first...

Dagmar
12-07-2011, 11:56 AM
Game is NOT being flexed. NOT flexed per pft.

Rolandftw
12-07-2011, 11:56 AM
But they already admitted that this was a special circumstance and that timing was being thrown out the window. Unless it drags out for another few days, I'm simply not ready to read anything into it one way or the other. I really do think it's still at least 50:50, if not more, in favor of it being flexed.

I just don't see what is special about it, compared to other weeks. Hope it does get flexed though, as I would likely miss the first half otherwise.

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 12:00 PM
I just don't see what is special about it, compared to other weeks.

They keep losing Tebow games.

Dagmar
12-07-2011, 12:01 PM
I just don't see what is special about it, compared to other weeks. Hope it does get flexed though, as I would likely miss the first half otherwise.

CBS won, it's not flexed.

Rohirrim
12-07-2011, 12:13 PM
Ain't gonna happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/ravens-chargers-remains-the-prime-time-game-in-week-15/

Mogulseeker
12-07-2011, 12:15 PM
But its a huge difference in revenue lost to CBS and gained by NBC. I want it flexed. I'm in Church from 8:30-4 most Sundays. This is a game I could actually watch live.

I go to church and stuff... but that's crazy.

I'll go to the 8:30 service - if I feel like getting up for it - then the 10am Bible study. I'm outta there by noon, and it's football/cartoons for the rest of the day.

v2micca
12-07-2011, 12:15 PM
Ain't gonna happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/ravens-chargers-remains-the-prime-time-game-in-week-15/


CBS better have given something up to swing this deal. I don't want to hear a peep from them for the rest of the year if NBC wants to flex a marquee match-up that they have not protected in advance.

DomCasual
12-07-2011, 12:18 PM
CBS won, it's not flexed.

That's completely lame. I hope the Chargers get trounced.

Blart
12-07-2011, 12:19 PM
That's completely lame. I hope the Chargers get trounced.

Please be a blowout game nobody watches

DomCasual
12-07-2011, 12:23 PM
I go to church and stuff... but that's crazy.

I'll go to the 8:30 service - if I feel like getting up for it - then the 10am Bible study. I'm outta there by noon, and it's football/cartoons for the rest of the day.

The Mormon church has a lay ministry, where people are put in certain positions of service. There are no paid ministers. So, a "Bishopric" would consist of four or five people that have the responsibility of administering to the "ward" (congregation). In that case, there are meetings and jobs that could take up a good chunk of a person's Sunday. (And, at least for the Bishop himself, a bit of the week as well - Bishops usually put in 20-40 hours a week, depending on what's going on. They still have to work, though - there isn't even a stipend given.)

Most active Mormons only go for three hours.

Greatspirits
12-07-2011, 12:25 PM
CBS Said; No Way Jose! Tebow's ours this week!!

Man-Goblin
12-07-2011, 12:29 PM
Well that sure as **** shows that whatever Robert Kraft wants Robert Kraft gets.

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 12:39 PM
Most active Mormons only go for three hours.

"only"

ScottXray
12-07-2011, 12:53 PM
CBS better have given something up to swing this deal. I don't want to hear a peep from them for the rest of the year if NBC wants to flex a marquee match-up that they have not protected in advance.

Although NBC can say it Might be more relevant, if Denver loses and the Chargers win this week then the Ravens Chargers game could be just as relevant to the playoffs as the NE Denver game.
( Go Broncos, beat Chicago!)

CBS is the HOME network for AFC games and this was simply an attempt to grab Ratings by NBC, and not because it was a more important game ( well it is to US, but thats not the criteria).

Also it is a FOX doubleheader weekend and CBS only gets to show ONE game in each market that weekend. They already had moved the Denver -NE game to be their prime game and will get their #1 team and be shown most everywhere that doesn't have a game in their own market. Since Oakland is playing the Lions Fox has that in the same slot. SD is on later that night. So this game will be shown virtually EVERYWHERE , even on the East coast, and Totally on the Western half of the country.

The exceptions are Tennessee-Indy, Miami - Buffalo and Cinn- St Louis, and if the Raiders don't sell out, the Bay area.

So this is virtually going to be national anyway. If NBC had been allowed to grab this it would have left nothing for NBC that had even a remote chance of gathering much national interest except the SD-Baltimore game , which frankly isn't as interesting, but still is important in the playoff standings. I think that if the networks aren't allowed to protect games , say 3 weeks in advance (instead of the current 5-6 weeks), it puts them at too much of a disadvantage against NBC.

And like I said the Baltimore -SD game could have as many playoff possibilities as the Denver -NE one.
I understand they paid for the flex option , but it doesn't mean they get to choose the best sunday game EVERY week, just for ratings, if they already have two potential playoff teams scheduled.

55CrushEm
12-07-2011, 12:59 PM
Well that sure as **** shows that whatever Robert Kraft wants Robert Kraft gets.

Well, he IS one of the most powerful owners in sports.....and he WAS influential is saving the NFL season.

So, I'm sure he had some say......

Kaylore
12-07-2011, 01:00 PM
Even for Mormons that is excessive. You get conned into a Bishopric calling Kaylore?

Sort of. Ward Mission Leader. That's Ward Council, PEC, Sacrament meeting and Ward Correlation meeting. Weeeeee.....

Kaylore
12-07-2011, 01:04 PM
Ain't gonna happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/ravens-chargers-remains-the-prime-time-game-in-week-15/

That really, really sucks. I hope we completely take apart the Patriots and Robert Kraft gets diarrhea from some bad wings.

DomCasual
12-07-2011, 01:07 PM
"only"

It's an acquired taste, but I have gotten to enjoy it. It's broken up in such a way to make it interesting. Wards are broken up geographically, so you are attending church with your neighbors. It's nice to see everyone - especially when you have similarly-aged kids.

Cleo McDowell
12-07-2011, 01:09 PM
Also it is a FOX doubleheader weekend and CBS only gets to show ONE game in each market that weekend. They already had moved the Denver -NE game to be their prime game and will get their #1 team and be shown most everywhere that doesn't have a game in their own market. Since Oakland is playing the Lions Fox has that in the same slot. SD is on later that night. So this game will be shown virtually EVERYWHERE , even on the East coast, and Totally on the Western half of the country.

The exceptions are Tennessee-Indy, Miami - Buffalo and Cinn- St Louis, and if the Raiders don't sell out, the Bay area.

.

no. i dont get it in LA.
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk14.html

Drunk Monkey
12-07-2011, 01:15 PM
CBS just made the list.... Why the hell can't the NFL work out a pay per view option. Guess I will try Buffalo Wild Wings this week, Hooters was a bit flat on Sunday.

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 01:17 PM
The Chargers are done.

I don't think a game between a team who's virtually assured of a playoff birth and one who's 99% sure going home in January can be said to have 'playoff implications'

What are the implications? That Baltimore might get a 2 or 3 seed instead of a 4? Don't think that's what most fans care about.

Seattle, Arizona, and Buffalo are all still technically alive in the playoff race. Do all their games have 'playoff implications'?

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 01:18 PM
Hooters was a bit flat on Sunday.

Nice choice of words.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-07-2011, 01:19 PM
no. i dont get it in LA.
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk14.html

Dont get what in LA? Looks like the chi/Den game is playing here

Shotgun Willie
12-07-2011, 01:21 PM
What are the implications? That Baltimore might get a 2 or 3 seed instead of a 4?

Baltimore still has a very good shot at the #1 seed. Technically, they could end up anywhere from #1 to #5 without anything crazy happening. Not too many teams can say that.

Drunk Monkey
12-07-2011, 01:24 PM
Nice choice of words.

The food is only OK, they didn't have sound for the game's. If there are no great boobies to check out I fail to see the point in going back.

Kid A
12-07-2011, 01:25 PM
It's okay, guys. The divisional round rematch will have to be in primetime.

Rolandftw
12-07-2011, 01:27 PM
I think it's pretty bad if one owner is able to have the kind of power to dictate primetime match-ups. Imagine CBS had to give NBC some amount of money to compensate for it.

SD isn't completely out of it I guess, so I could see why they kept them in the slot. Good chance they beat Buffalo Sunday and then you have a 6-7 team still in the divisional race likely.

24champ
12-07-2011, 01:48 PM
no. i dont get it in LA.
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk14.html

Yes we do, this weeks game is on Fox. Scroll down and you'll see the LA Market has the Bronco game.

Cleo McDowell
12-07-2011, 01:48 PM
Dont get what in LA? Looks like the chi/Den game is playing here

ok thats a relief.. i flunked map reading class.

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 03:31 PM
The Mormon church has a lay ministry, where people are put in certain positions of service. There are no paid ministers. So, a "Bishopric" would consist of four or five people that have the responsibility of administering to the "ward" (congregation). In that case, there are meetings and jobs that could take up a good chunk of a person's Sunday. (And, at least for the Bishop himself, a bit of the week as well - Bishops usually put in 20-40 hours a week, depending on what's going on. They still have to work, though - there isn't even a stipend given.)

Most active Mormons only go for three hours.

Wow.. so even after taking everyone's money, they don't pay the <s>collection agents</s> people running the church?

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 03:32 PM
Although NBC can say it Might be more relevant, if Denver loses and the Chargers win this week then the Ravens Chargers game could be just as relevant to the playoffs as the NE Denver game.
( Go Broncos, beat Chicago!)

CBS is the HOME network for AFC games and this was simply an attempt to grab Ratings by NBC, and not because it was a more important game ( well it is to US, but thats not the criteria).

Also it is a FOX doubleheader weekend and CBS only gets to show ONE game in each market that weekend. They already had moved the Denver -NE game to be their prime game and will get their #1 team and be shown most everywhere that doesn't have a game in their own market. Since Oakland is playing the Lions Fox has that in the same slot. SD is on later that night. So this game will be shown virtually EVERYWHERE , even on the East coast, and Totally on the Western half of the country.

The exceptions are Tennessee-Indy, Miami - Buffalo and Cinn- St Louis, and if the Raiders don't sell out, the Bay area.

So this is virtually going to be national anyway. If NBC had been allowed to grab this it would have left nothing for NBC that had even a remote chance of gathering much national interest except the SD-Baltimore game , which frankly isn't as interesting, but still is important in the playoff standings. I think that if the networks aren't allowed to protect games , say 3 weeks in advance (instead of the current 5-6 weeks), it puts them at too much of a disadvantage against NBC.

And like I said the Baltimore -SD game could have as many playoff possibilities as the Denver -NE one.
I understand they paid for the flex option , but it doesn't mean they get to choose the best sunday game EVERY week, just for ratings, if they already have two potential playoff teams scheduled.

Read the bolded then sort out your own argument.

If they paid the premium then, yes, they DO get to exercise the right they paid the premium for. If CBS' slate was so bad, what game did they protect?

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 03:39 PM
Read the bolded then sort out your own argument.

If they paid the premium then, yes, they DO get to exercise the right they paid the premium for. If CBS' slate was so bad, what game did they protect?

Eagles Jets is what they protected.

boltaneer
12-07-2011, 03:45 PM
In defense of FOX and CBS, they're asked to protect these games very early in the season.

It's a bit unfair to ask them to make those decisions so early on when so many factors could play into a good team turning bad or vice versa.

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 03:51 PM
In defense of FOX and CBS, they're asked to protect these games very early in the season.

It's a bit unfair to ask them to make those decisions so early on when so many factors could play into a good team turning bad or vice versa.

OTOH, if they're allowed to 'protect' games at the same time NBC tries to flex one, it kinda defeats the whole purpose of being able to flex games, and the premium NBC pays for it.

But in the end, its the poor average working stiff being forced to watch Phyllis Rivers before settling into another long work week who's really paying the price. :)

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Eagles Jets is what they protected.

I can't find how far in advance they have to make their protected games but if it's 6 weeks like is being mentioned, they chose to protect a game involving a 2-4 Eagles team that had only beat STL and Washington and a 4-3 Jets team who is notoriously boring (and had 2 of their wins over the Dolphins while they sucked and the Chargers who, while they've won some games, haven't played great all year) then they just made a stupid decision. Tebow had already been announced as the starter by week 8, too, so they had their chance.

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 04:07 PM
In defense of FOX and CBS, they're asked to protect these games very early in the season.

It's a bit unfair to ask them to make those decisions so early on when so many factors could play into a good team turning bad or vice versa.

How many truly riveting games are there every week? NBC pays a lot of money to get that great game. They get to select so late so they're ensured that great game. The priority for the best ones should be the primetime. CBS and Fox get the bulk but only limited markets get to see each one.

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 04:08 PM
OTOH, if they're allowed to 'protect' games at the same time NBC tries to flex one, it kinda defeats the whole purpose of being able to flex games, and the premium NBC pays for it.

But in the end, its the poor average working stiff being forced to watch Phyllis Rivers before settling into another long work week who's really paying the price. :)

Whoops... you pretty much beat me to the point. NBC pays for their right. I think I'll be boycotting that late game just for principle. Maybe next time they'll fight harder.

ScottXray
12-07-2011, 04:12 PM
no. i dont get it in LA.
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk14.html

That is this week . The TV schedule for week 15 is not released yet.

DomCasual
12-07-2011, 04:25 PM
Wow.. so even after taking everyone's money, they don't pay the <s>collection agents</s> people running the church?

Yeah, it works so much better when you have church leaders making $10 million/year and putting their pets into air conditioned pet mansions. :oyvey:

ludo21
12-07-2011, 04:37 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

kraft has too much power

ScottXray
12-07-2011, 04:43 PM
Whoops... you pretty much beat me to the point. NBC pays for their right. I think I'll be boycotting that late game just for principle. Maybe next time they'll fight harder.

So, last week, CBS lost the Minn - Denver game to FOX, because NBC flexed the Detroit - NO game to Sunday night. And that was one of the best games last week. So the league arbitrarily decided that Since Fox was getting screwed out of that NO_Detroit game they would make up for it by giving FOX the Denver game ( which should have been on at 4:15 Eastern and even got moved up to 1 to fit Fox's schedule). This is the first time in the leagues history they had done that, since the visiting teams home network has broadcast rights. So the league bent over backward because of FOX's complaints.

Maybe CBS would have given it up if Fox gave them the Detroit - Oakland game ( I wouldn't have asked for that but you never can tell) and Fox said no. At any rate it would have been another week that CBS got screwed in the Game ( and Advertising revenue ) schedule and I don't blame them for throwing a fit. Frankly there are not too many Ratbird and Faider fans compared to NE and Denver, which means they would have lost the ratings they need to PAY for THEIR NFL contract.

Protecting a game 5 or 6 weeks in advance is not really fair for CBS and FOX when NBC gets to wait until 12 days from game time to choose. And NBC could have asked to flex this game last week or the week before...so its not like they weren't exactly faultless here.

vancejohnson82
12-07-2011, 04:44 PM
ridiculous....

That One Guy
12-07-2011, 05:01 PM
So, last week, CBS lost the Minn - Denver game to FOX, because NBC flexed the Detroit - NO game to Sunday night. And that was one of the best games last week. So the league arbitrarily decided that Since Fox was getting screwed out of that NO_Detroit game they would make up for it by giving FOX the Denver game ( which should have been on at 4:15 Eastern and even got moved up to 1 to fit Fox's schedule). This is the first time in the leagues history they had done that, since the visiting teams home network has broadcast rights. So the league bent over backward because of FOX's complaints.

Maybe CBS would have given it up if Fox gave them the Detroit - Oakland game ( I wouldn't have asked for that but you never can tell) and Fox said no. At any rate it would have been another week that CBS got screwed in the Game ( and Advertising revenue ) schedule and I don't blame them for throwing a fit. Frankly there are not too many Ratbird and Faider fans compared to NE and Denver, which means they would have lost the ratings they need to PAY for THEIR NFL contract.

Protecting a game 5 or 6 weeks in advance is not really fair for CBS and FOX when NBC gets to wait until 12 days from game time to choose. And NBC could have asked to flex this game last week or the week before...so its not like they weren't exactly faultless here.

Fox getting the game was BS, too. Their games are their games. Anytime you've got a fixed number of bones and you try to throw one to one person, you're taking one from another. I can see how one triggered the other, I guess.

As for the rest, if a game wont be flexed until 12 days prior, there's surely a reason they make the games get protected well in advance. Maybe that's part of the sell to NBC - that the very best games may not be protected but only some very good ones will. CBS should've been smart enough to avoid the Philly/Jets stinker but maybe the way this is planned is part of the sale. All the networks have agreed to the flex scheduling and it surely made their contracts cheaper than they otherwise would've been while making NBC's more expensive.

Garcia Bronco
12-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Awesome. I am glad it didn't get flexed. Sorry to those that can't watch it, but that's your own fault. :p

vancejohnson82
12-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Awesome. I am glad it didn't get flexed. Sorry to those that can't watch it, but that's your own fault. :p

there is no such thing as CAN'T...

I've got my name etched out in a chair at our local pub....all it took was a small bribe before the season...now my TV is one of the most watched in the entire place...go figure

Garcia Bronco
12-07-2011, 05:27 PM
there is no such thing as CAN'T...

I've got my name etched out in a chair at our local pub....all it took was a small bribe before the season...now my TV is one of the most watched in the entire place...go figure

Niiiiicce...

I like it.

Someone here called me a Nancy....hand it been flexed I would have bought an expensive ticket and shown them pictures. :D

DBruleU
12-07-2011, 05:31 PM
Niiiiicce...

I like it.

Someone here called me a Nancy....hand it been flexed I would have bought an expensive ticket and shown them pictures. :D

:wave:

Gort
12-07-2011, 06:17 PM
Awesome. I am glad it didn't get flexed. Sorry to those that can't watch it, but that's your own fault. :p

i agree.

i can watch it easily on CBS if it's not flexed. it is is flexed, i have to $%#@#*&! with my antenna just to tune in an NBC station. i didn't want to do that. now i don't have to! hooray for me.

i hate NBC. i never watch it.

:)

Kid A
12-07-2011, 06:59 PM
Awesome. I am glad it didn't get flexed. Sorry to those that can't watch it, but that's your own fault. :p

Always a little fun to see them in the primetime game, but it's not like we're hurting for publicity as it is. And I kind of hate sitting around all day waiting for the game I care about. Plus night game gets over late, usually to wired no matter how the game ends to fall asleep quick on a work night...I need that buffer period to decompress, especially given how this team is playing.

Chris
12-07-2011, 07:17 PM
Ohmagod a game in NYC this week I FEEL LIKE GOING ALL CAPS WITH THIS ONE

Drunk Monkey
12-07-2011, 08:17 PM
i agree.

i can watch it easily on CBS if it's not flexed. it is is flexed, i have to $%#@#*&! with my antenna just to tune in an NBC station. i didn't want to do that. now i don't have to! hooray for me.

i hate NBC. i never watch it.

:)

Sorry, I tried to walk away but I couldn't. The mental picture of a person who can post 4,000 plus messages on a inter webs site standing on his roof messing with an antenna to watch TV is hilarious.

Armchair Bronco
12-07-2011, 08:30 PM
Sorry, I tried to walk away but I couldn't. The mental picture of a person who can post 4,000 plus messages on a inter webs site standing on his roof messing with an antenna to watch TV is hilarious.

I was thinking the same thing. (And apparently Norman Rockwell already thought of it...)

http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/466086296/New-Television-Antenna-Norman-Rockwell-100-Hand-Painted-Oil-Painting-Repro-Museum-Quality-Gift.jpg

Shotgun Willie
12-08-2011, 07:32 AM
Protecting a game 5 or 6 weeks in advance is not really fair for CBS and FOX when NBC gets to wait until 12 days from game time to choose. And NBC could have asked to flex this game last week or the week before...so its not like they weren't exactly faultless here.

Fair? Why should it be fair? NBC pays SIGNIFICANTLY more for that right. Now if the two networks paid the same amount, then I'd acknowledge a fairness argument, but not when one network pays as much as NBC does for that one thing.

Rohirrim
12-08-2011, 07:49 AM
Of course, this probably means we get to sit through another game of listening to Dan Deirdork. :pity:

Gort
12-08-2011, 08:30 AM
Sorry, I tried to walk away but I couldn't. The mental picture of a person who can post 4,000 plus messages on a inter webs site standing on his roof messing with an antenna to watch TV is hilarious.

NBC signals mess with the tinfoil hats i like to wear.

Kaylore
12-08-2011, 08:33 AM
Of course, this probably means we get to sit through another game of listening to Dan Deirdork. :pity:

We'll get Nantz and Simms. They wouldn't fight to keep a game and then send their number 2 or 3 crew to call the game.

BroncoBeavis
12-08-2011, 08:50 AM
I never mind it when Simms calls a Broncos game. Seems to be pretty evenhanded.

ScottXray
12-08-2011, 09:40 AM
Fair? Why should it be fair? NBC pays SIGNIFICANTLY more for that right. Now if the two networks paid the same amount, then I'd acknowledge a fairness argument, but not when one network pays as much as NBC does for that one thing.

I don't care about how much NBC paid for the flex option, anymore than you. The point is that the league screwed CBS last week ( in an Unprecedented fashion), and CBS also pays the NFL to show games. And the game that was already on the Sunday night schedule is also relevant to the playoffs.

NBC was cherry picking for ratings alone, and, as I said, they also could have chosen to flex it a week or two ago. Instead they waited to see if Tebow would drop a game last week. Unfortunately for them SD also won and got back into the playoff race ( technically). Now, if SD had lost, they had a legitimate point that the Denver game was more relevant. But , by waiting they screwed themselves. They should have flexed the game BEFORE last weekend.

And yes the contract that NBC has gives them some special privileges....and CBS/FOX are supposed to protect certain games. But 6 weeks ago no one thought Denver would be in first place except a few crazed Tebow fans. And the contract mentions more relevance, not best ratings cow.

I don't care what Kraft thought of the change or whether he was against it.
I think he is a puss, and didn't want to face a schedule change that would affect his team slightly. I also think it also benefits us to stay at 4:15 for the same reason. With Fox deciding to travel East 2 days before games back there ( GOOD decision), that means the team only has until Thursday noon to get the game plan in and set, then leave for Buffalo. Since Monday is a day off thats only 2-1/2 days to get ready.

I think the key point is that the league screwed CBS on the Minny game and CBS cashed in its chips to keep this game. Since I don't like all the Sunday night , Monday night, Thursday night games that are scheduled now ( call me old fashioned or stupid, but I don't like them), combined with a Saturday game the next week, I prefer the schedule to NOT change, anyway. Sorry for those that live in areas that won't see it, but there are sports bars virtually everywhere.

BroncoBeavis
12-08-2011, 10:12 AM
And the game that was already on the Sunday night schedule is also relevant to the playoffs.

Sorry, but if the new standard for 'playoff implications' is that someone has some outside shot at the playoffs, virtually all NFL games qualify at this point.

16 games this week. Probably only 3 that have both teams with no shot at the playoffs.

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 10:17 AM
Sorry, but if the new standard for 'playoff implications' is that someone has some outside shot at the playoffs, virtually all NFL games qualify at this point.

16 games this week. Probably only 3 that have both teams with no shot at the playoffs.

Well you have one team (Baltimore), fighting for playoff positioning--and then another with an outside chance at best of making the playoffs (San Diego).

If it was San Diego Vs Jacksonville on SNF, I think it would have got flexed out.

Dagmar
12-08-2011, 02:30 PM
SD vs Bills blacked out. I hope NBC has some fake crowd shots ready for the Ravens game...