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Kaylore
12-06-2011, 08:07 AM
Looking at the standings and the remaining schedule, it's not just the Raiders who could take the division from us, all four teams have a decent shot at winning the division crown. Here's how the schedule shapes up.

Denver Broncos 7-5 Div record 3-2 conf 6-3
Remaining schedule
Chicago
New England
AT Buffalo
Kansas City

Having the best conference and division record with 3 out of 4 home games left to play definitely puts us at a strong advantage holding all tie breakers at this point. Facing a mojo-less Bills, a depleted Chicago and the Chiefs at home will help. However we are looking banged up as well. New England is going to be picked by most as a loss and traveling east for a game and then coming back for a division opponent is never easy. We play better on the road, too, so if we went 2-2 it wouldn't surprise me at all, especially if Von can't come back.

Oakland Raiders 7-5 Div 2-2 Conf 5-5
Remaining schedule
AT Green Bay
Detroit
AT Kansas City
San Diego

Oakland looked exposed against a hot Miami team, a team Denver beat, and they still have to play the best team in football on the road and go to Kansas City where they have historically struggled, and in December where the Chiefs are one of the toughest teams to face. Then they come home against Rivers who it seems has finally turned a corner. They do get to face Detroit, who has fallen from grace, though. Still, if they win even three of those games, they can lock up the division.

Kansas City Chiefs 5-7 Div 2-2 Conf 3-6
Remaining Schedule
AT New York Jets
Green Bay
Oakland
AT Denver

KC has the worst conference record of all four teams which will hurt their chances. They also have to face the Packers. This is the game I think the Packers lose, actually. Seriously, I think the Chiefs can beat Green Bay. If they can make a late surge, and Denver and Oakland stumble, KC could win the division, though they would need some help.

San Diego Chargers 5-7 Div 2-3 Conf 4-5
Remaining Schedule
Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
AT Detroit
AT Oakland Raiders

The Chargers are in a tough spot because of their division record. However if they continue to improve and Rivers stays "normal Rivers," They could definitely win three out of the last four games they have. They could help their cause by beating the Raiders which means they would just need some help to have Denver lose. I honestly think they could win three of their last four and maybe sweep December. I am more worried about San Diego at this point than the Raiders.

Bottom line: This is still anyone's division. With four games to play, and only a half game lead on the division, this should go down to the wire and make for some good, meaningful late season games. It should be fun to watch!

cousinal11
12-06-2011, 08:08 AM
Let's go get it!

LetsGoBroncos
12-06-2011, 08:12 AM
Looking at the standings and the remaining schedule, it's not just the Raiders who could take the division from us, all four teams have a decent shot at winning the division crown. Here's how the schedule shapes up.

Denver Broncos 7-5 Div record 3-2 conf 6-3
Remaining schedule
Chicago
New England
AT Buffalo
Kansas City

Having the best conference and division record with 3 out of 4 home games left to play definitely puts us at a strong advantage holding all tie breakers at this point. Facing a mojo-less Bills, a depleted Chicago and the Chiefs at home will help. However we are looking banged up as well. New England is going to be picked by most as a loss and traveling east for a game and then coming back for a division opponent is never easy. We play better on the road, too, so if we went 2-2 it wouldn't surprise me at all, especially if Von can't come back.

Oakland Raiders 7-5 Div 2-2 Conf 5-5
Remaining schedule
AT Green Bay
Detroit
AT Kansas City
San Diego

Oakland looked exposed against a hot Miami team, a team Denver beat, and they still have to play the best team in football on the road and go to Kansas City where they have historically struggled, and in December where the Chiefs are one of the toughest teams to face. Then they come home against Rivers who it seems has finally turned a corner. They do get to face Detroit, who has fallen from grace, though. Still, if they win even three of those games, they can lock up the division.

Kansas City Chiefs 5-7 Div 2-2 Conf 3-6
Remaining Schedule
AT New York Jets
Green Bay
Oakland
AT Denver

KC has the worst conference record of all four teams which will hurt their chances. They also have to face the Packers. This is the game I think the Packers lose, actually. Seriously, I think the Chiefs can beat Green Bay. If they can make a late surge, and Denver and Oakland stumble, KC could win the division, though they would need some help.

San Diego Chargers 5-7 Div 2-3 Conf 4-5
Remaining Schedule
Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
AT Detroit
AT Oakland Raiders

The Chargers are in a tough spot because of their division record. However if they continue to improve and Rivers stays "normal Rivers," They could definitely win three out of the last four games they have. They could help their cause by beating the Raiders which means they would just need some help to have Denver lose. I honestly think they could win three of their last four and maybe sweep December. I am more worried about San Diego at this point than the Raiders.

Bottom line: This is still anyone's division. With four games to play, and only a half game lead on the division, this should go down to the wire and make for some good, meaningful late season games. It should be fun to watch!

After head to head and division record the next tiebreaker is record against common opponents which we currently are a game ahead of Oakland on. If GB beats them this week and we beat Chicago we will basically be a game up with the tiebreaker in our favor with 3 to play.

Gort
12-06-2011, 08:13 AM
the Broncos need to win the 2 they should win (@BUF and KC) and 1 of the 2 "tough" games on the schedule (CHI and NE) and that should be enough. that's 10-6 overall. i trust the Raiders to drop at least 2 more games (@GB, DET, @KC, SD). people picking the Raiders still are just homers like Howie "Dickface" Long and Broncos haters. Sandy Eggo still scares me, but we're done playing them and as long as the Broncos take care of business (win 3 of the next 4), they control their own destiny IMHO.

bowtown
12-06-2011, 08:14 AM
If we beat Chicago, KC and Buffalo, we take it.

Smiling Assassin27
12-06-2011, 08:17 AM
the Broncos need to win the 2 they should win (@BUF and KC) and 1 of the 2 "tough" games on the schedule (CHI and NE) and that should be enough. that's 10-6 overall. i trust the Raiders to drop at least 2 more games (@GB, DET, @KC, SD). people picking the Raiders still are just homers like Howie "Dickface" Long and Broncos haters. Sandy Eggo still scares me, but we're done playing them and as long as the Broncos take care of business (win 3 of the next 4), they control their own destiny IMHO.

i think the raiders beat detroit. they're a shell of their former self, with no run game and no plan should megatron be bracketed for 60 minutes. their defense is suspect beyond their front 4 and they are the raiders' equal at committing moronic penalties. coming across country will mean a loss for them. BUT...the chargers will beat the raiders, effectively eliminating them.

you're right that if we go 3-1, we win it outright. but even if we go 2-2, i think our chances are better than good to still get the division. :thumbsup:

LetsGoBroncos
12-06-2011, 08:20 AM
i think the raiders beat detroit. they're a shell of their former self, with no run game and no plan should megatron be bracketed for 60 minutes. their defense is suspect beyond their front 4 and they are the raiders' equal at committing moronic penalties. coming across country will mean a loss for them. BUT...the chargers will beat the raiders, effectively eliminating them.

you're right that if we go 3-1, we win it outright. but even if we go 2-2, i think our chances are better than good to still get the division. :thumbsup:

Agree, as long as one of the two wins is against KC. That means we can't lose the division record tiebreaker and then it goes to common games which is advantage us

First Tiebreaker

Division Record

Oakland 2-2

Denver 3-2


Second Tiebreaker

Common Games

Oakland 4-4. Remaining: GB, Det, KC, SD

Denver 5-3. Remaining: Chi, NE, Buffalo, KC

jhns
12-06-2011, 08:23 AM
Wrong. The division goes to Denver. These other teams suck.

LetsGoBroncos
12-06-2011, 08:26 AM
Agree, as long as one of the two wins is against KC. That means we can't lose the division record tiebreaker and then it goes to common games which is advantage us

First Tiebreaker

Division Record

Oakland 2-2

Denver 3-2


Second Tiebreaker

Common Games

Oakland 4-4. Remaining: GB, Det, KC, SD

Denver 5-3. Remaining: Chi, NE, Buffalo, KC

Basically 2-2 with one of the wins against KC gets us the division unless Oakland goes 3-1. As long as they don't upset GB this Sunday that means they would have to go 3-0 after that

strafen
12-06-2011, 08:26 AM
We've got one division game left and 3 conference games...
The raiders just have two division games, both winnables...

We need to go 3-1 for us to take the division...
Buffalo worries me because it's an east coast game, and we don't play well in Buffalo...
Starts with Chicago this weekend for us, as the raiders play Detroit and GB back to back in the next two weeks. Tough for them Ha!

bowtown
12-06-2011, 08:28 AM
We've got one division game left and 3 conference games...
The raiders just have two division games, both winnables...

We need to go 3-1 for us to take the division...
Buffalo worries me because it's an east coast game, and we don't play well in Buffalo...
Starts with Chicago this weekend for us, as the raiders play Detroit and GB back to back in the next two weeks. Tough for them Ha!

I didn't get the memo re Chicago moving to the AFC.

Rohirrim
12-06-2011, 08:29 AM
I predict:

Broncos 4-0
Raiders 2-2
KC 1-3
Chargers 1-3

Kaylore
12-06-2011, 08:30 AM
What needs to happen

Beating Oakland: If they win out, we would need to as well. Assuming they go 3-1 the rest of the way, we would have to beat KC and any two other teams. If they get hot, we'll have to stay hot, and either way, beating KC is critical.

Beating the Chargers: Due to conference and division record, any two wins eliminates the Chargers, even if they go 4-0, which would put the Raiders out as they play them.

Beating the Chiefs: They win out, which would mean they beat us, we would need to win the three previous games or they would take the division if Oakland lost at least one more game. If they drop one game, winning any two puts us in.

So we need at least two games, one being the Chiefs, or beating Buffalo, New England and Chicago puts us in.

strafen
12-06-2011, 08:31 AM
I didn't get the memo re Chicago moving to the AFC.

Division game: KC
Conference games as AFC Conference: Buffalo, NE, KC

We're talking final record as it applies to conference overall record and division records for tie-breaker purposes...

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 08:32 AM
We're pretty much a lock to have the tiebreaker over either the Chargers or Raiders, whoever loses their matchup. We're likely to have a tiebreaker on either.

And did someone say Chiefs? ha!

Turd_Ferguson
12-06-2011, 08:33 AM
Oakland Raiders 7-5 Div 2-2 Conf 5-5
Remaining schedule
AT Green Bay
Detroit
AT Kansas City
San Diego

Oakland looked exposed against a hot Miami team, a team Denver beat, and they still have to play the best team in football on the road and go to Kansas City where they have historically struggled, and in December where the Chiefs are one of the toughest teams to face. Then they come home against Rivers who it seems has finally turned a corner. They do get to face Detroit, who has fallen from grace, though. Still, if they win even three of those games, they can lock up the division.



Detroit hasnt really fallen from grace, as much as they have played the 2 best teams in the NFC back to back. I think/hope Oakland will finish 1-3. KC might not win another game. I think San Diego may be the one to worry about.

oubronco
12-06-2011, 08:34 AM
I think it will come down to the last game and we should take the division

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 08:41 AM
I'd say as long as we beat the Chiefs, 2-2 over the next 4 probably wins the Division.

Chargers would have to win out just to tie us, but we'd still hold the better division record. If this week is any indication, I don't like the Raiders chances against the Chargers, which would mean the Raiders would lose to us on division record as well.

Plus that would be at least their second loss (in addition to GB this week) which would make the tiebreaker win the day.

TheReverend
12-06-2011, 08:42 AM
What needs to happen

Beating Oakland: If they win out, we would need to as well. Assuming they go 3-1 the rest of the way, we would have to beat KC and any two other teams. If they get hot, we'll have to stay hot, and either way, beating KC is critical.










:spit:











Beating the Chiefs: They win out, which would mean they beat us, we would need to win the three previous games or they would take the division if Oakland lost at least one more game. If they drop one game, winning any two puts us in.












:spit:

Rohirrim
12-06-2011, 08:46 AM
Detroit hasnt really fallen from grace, as much as they have played the 2 best teams in the NFC back to back. I think/hope Oakland will finish 1-3. KC might not win another game. I think San Diego may be the one to worry about.

Don't give too much credit to Sandy Eggo for beating one of the worst teams in the league, who just lost their coach, oh yeah, and got sold. ;D

They might (and that's a 'might') beat the Bills, but they'll lose their final three.

LetsGoBroncos
12-06-2011, 08:47 AM
Division game: KC
Conference games as AFC Conference: Buffalo, NE, KC

We're talking final record as it applies to conference overall record and division records for tie-breaker purposes...

Guys, conference record won't matter as a tiebreaker unless we are tied in division record and games against common opponents.

All we have to do is have the same record as Oakland over the next 4 games with one of our wins being against KC and we clinch. Simple as that.

If they go 2-2 and we go 2-2 with one of the wins being against KC its over.

Gort
12-06-2011, 08:47 AM
actually, this is all more complicated than it needs to be.

what we REALLY need is for Tyrell Jones to come in here, predict the Raiders to finish 4-0 to take the division while we finish 0-4. that's all it takes for us to lock it up.

:)

TonyR
12-06-2011, 08:48 AM
I think San Diego may be the one to worry about.

Yup. Their MO has been winning at the end of the season and they looked pretty darn good last night. Will be interesting to see if they do it again this year. Hope not.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 08:51 AM
Don't give too much credit to Sandy Eggo for beating one of the worst teams in the league, who just lost their coach, oh yeah, and got sold. ;D

They might (and that's a 'might') beat the Bills, but they'll lose their final three.

I'd say it's 1/2 credit to SD. The other 1/2 looking at what happened in MIA.

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 08:53 AM
Denver Broncos 7-5 Div record 3-2 conf 6-3
Remaining schedule
Chicago
New England
AT Buffalo
Kansas City

Having the best conference and division record with 3 out of 4 home games left to play definitely puts us at a strong advantage holding all tie breakers at this point. Facing a mojo-less Bills, a depleted Chicago and the Chiefs at home will help. However we are looking banged up as well. New England is going to be picked by most as a loss and traveling east for a game and then coming back for a division opponent is never easy. We play better on the road, too, so if we went 2-2 it wouldn't surprise me at all, especially if Von can't come back.


We get an extra day for this since we play the Bills on a Saturday though.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 08:53 AM
Yup. Their MO has been winning at the end of the season and they looked pretty darn good last night. Will be interesting to see if they do it again this year. Hope not.

We win at home vs Chiefs and one other... SD can't catch us.

Who wouldda thought just 6 weeks ago! :D

MplsBronco
12-06-2011, 08:55 AM
The Chicago game is critical. We can't have a let down with that game. If we lose to Chicago that could easily turn into a 3 game losing streak. We beat the Bears and we should be ok.

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 09:08 AM
This occurs to me, IF the NE game is flexed we play Sunday night then have quite a short week to travel east for the Bills.

Old Dude
12-06-2011, 09:12 AM
I've been playing around with the ESPN and yahoo playoff scenario generators. In the vast majority of scenarios (based on winning %, power rank, home team, last meeting, etc.) Denver winds up winning the AFC West, and, more often than not, hosts the Steelers in the first round.

Of course, all that goes out the window when they actually start playing the games. All you can really depend on is that with every game they win, the odds get better and better, no matter what anyone else does.

Golden opportunity at home against a depleted Bears squad. Let's hope the Broncos stay on their roll.

ludo21
12-06-2011, 09:15 AM
This occurs to me, IF the NE game is flexed we play Sunday night then have quite a short week to travel east for the Bills.

???

monday is a day off regardles usually

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 09:16 AM
Games ranked by difficulty easiest to hardest -

Bears - Injury ravaged, Hanie looks BAD
Chiefs - Defense has been playing surprisingly well the last 2 weeks, they will have nothing to play for but Haley is a spiteful douche
Bills - Short week, traveling east, team has been very inconsistent, offense can be explosive or terrible
NE - They are NE.

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 09:16 AM
???

monday is a day off regardles usually

We'd play on Saturday is my point.

55CrushEm
12-06-2011, 09:18 AM
I'm not one to look past any opponent.....but I just don't see Chicago being a big problem....unless Hester goes off.

Their offense went from good to horrible in a span of 2-3 weeks. No Cutler, now now Forte....and the offensive line is horrific. The potential beating we put on Hanie might make what we did to Ponder in the 1st half look like child's play.

How is Chicago going to generate any offense against a Denver defense that is pretty darn good? I mean really, they scored 3 points on the Chiefs.....IN CHICAGO.

We should win this game easily.....SHOULD.

Shotgun Willie
12-06-2011, 09:20 AM
We'd play on Saturday is my point.

Getting flexed only means a 4 hr difference in kickoff essentially. It's not like we'd be getting flexed to Tuesday night or something and really having our week shortened. 4 hrs is nothing. That's a flight delay.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2011, 09:27 AM
I say we do what worked really well in 2008. 3 game lead with 3 to play :) Actually, the "evidence" presented of course shows that this division is far from ours. What I will say is that our direct competition sucks ass. Sorry Kaylore but KC will not beat GB simply because Palko cannot score. His only TD against the Bears was the hail mary at the end of the 1st half. GB will score enough points most likely in the 1st half to win that game.
"If (insert team here) wins 3 out of 4 or better.." Just stop! Denver isnt guaranteed 3 or 4 wins but saying we will get 2 or less and those other teams all of a sudden playing top notch football is crazy talk. Chargers is the team right now that would scare their division foes except us! We are two ahead of them and I believe they need to be one game ahead of us to win the division (not sure about that). I just hope GB continues to win so they play at a high level of football to get that perfect record.

vonqkilla
12-06-2011, 09:31 AM
Lmao @ kc over GB half prediction.

GBs defense will outscore the chefs offense.

Dedhed
12-06-2011, 09:35 AM
This Weekend:

We beat a decimated Bears team. (Denver 8-5)
Oakland loses to powerhouse GB. (Oakland 7-6)
KC gets pounded by a warming Jets team in NY.(KC 5-8)
SD handles struggling Buffalo.(SD 6-7)

Denver effectively leads by 2 games.

Week 15

Denver loses to NE. (Denver 8-6)
Oakland loses to Detroit. (Oak 7-7)
KC loses to GB (KC 5-9)
SD loses to Baltimore (SD 6-8)

Denver still effectively leads the division by two.

Week 16
Denver loses at Buffalo (Den 8-7)
Oakland beats KC (Oak 8-7)(KC 5-10)
SD Loses to Detroit (SD 7-9)

Week 17

Denver beats KC to clinch the division title with a 9-7 record.
Oakland beats SD to finish 9-7.

Old Dude
12-06-2011, 09:38 AM
...
We should win this game easily.....SHOULD.

And this is exactly the kind of game, over the past decade, that Denver has had problems winning in December.

New regime. New players. Hopefully different results.

McDman
12-06-2011, 09:40 AM
This Weekend:

We beat a decimated Bears team. (Denver 8-5)
Oakland loses to powerhouse GB. (Oakland 7-6)
KC gets pounded by a warming Jets team in NY.(KC 5-8)
SD handles struggling Buffalo.(SD 6-7)

Denver effectively leads by 2 games.

Week 15

Denver loses to NE. (Denver 8-6)
Oakland loses to Detroit. (Oak 7-7)
KC loses to GB (KC 5-9)
SD loses to Baltimore (SD 6-8)

Denver still effectively leads the division by two.

Week 16
Denver loses at Buffalo (Den 8-7)
Oakland beats KC (Oak 8-7)(KC 5-10)
SD Loses to Detroit (SD 7-9)

Week 17

Denver beats KC to clinch the division title with a 9-7 record.
Oakland beats SD to finish 9-7.

Fitzpatrick looks rattled when he gets hit. Add that with Champ shttuing Stevie Johnson down and I could see us winning that game.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 09:41 AM
As I said before, we beat NE, because I will be there. The Broncos don't lose when I am in attendance. Bowlen should warm up his private jet for me every weekend. :)

TheChamp24
12-06-2011, 09:45 AM
What worries me is how horrible the defense looked at times last Sunday.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 09:45 AM
I think we'll pretty much know this weekend. If we handle the Bears like we SHOULD, I think you can't count on the team to put this thing away by taking 3 of 4 (winning the games we SHOULD win, BUF AND KC)

If we lose to the Bears it leads me to think that we're probably going to play down to our competition every week and it will be four weeks of incessant nail biting and panic.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2011, 09:53 AM
Fitzpatrick looks rattled when he gets hit. Add that with Champ shttuing Stevie Johnson down and I could see us winning that game.

But you do see that he is taking off the homer glasses and giving us most likely the worst possible happenings for our team and yet we still win the division at 9-7 with the tie breaker against the Faiders. Better way of looking at things. We finish 2-2 and still win the West.

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 09:57 AM
Fitzpatrick looks rattled when he gets hit. Add that with Champ shttuing Stevie Johnson down and I could see us winning that game.

Revis couldn't shut down Johnson.

ScottXray
12-06-2011, 09:59 AM
I think we'll pretty much know this weekend. If we handle the Bears like we SHOULD, I think you can't count on the team to put this thing away by taking 3 of 4 (winning the games we SHOULD win, BUF AND KC)

If we lose to the Bears it leads me to think that we're probably going to play down to our competition every week and it will be four weeks of incessant nail biting and panic.

This.

Win THIS week then worry about the next. Last week was the game I was worried most about and the Game went about like I thought, except the first half was a disaster in two phases. ST let the ball be downed at the 1 inch line and we give a safety on the first play from scrimmage. The McGahee fumbles on the second drive, Tebow late in the half (any PREMIER QB and the refs say down by contact) The plays and calls just kept going against us.

I was worried that Teow would not be able to pass effectively and have to say that the adjustments at the half on O were brilliant and caught Minn off guard. Then Tebow and O goes TD for TD when the D couldn't stop the vikings in the second half.

This is not the Shanahan or McD teams that collapsed the last few times in 07,08,09. I believe we have better coaches, and players that are acting like a TEAM. If we lose it will be because the other TEAM is better, not because of refs or bad coaching.

That said there is still a chance that we don't make the playoffs and I like that Elway has pointed out that the future is NOW. Go out and TAKE it.

Crushaholic
12-06-2011, 10:03 AM
What worries me is how horrible the defense looked at times last Sunday.

They looked horrible for most of the game. Luckily for us, the defense stepped up when they needed to (the interception)...

MortonToMoses
12-06-2011, 10:05 AM
I like that this team is built for December weather.

BroncoBen
12-06-2011, 10:07 AM
I guess all the AFC West are still alive.. but its down to the Broncos and Raiders and the Broncos have the inside track.

Kaylore
12-06-2011, 10:08 AM
They looked horrible for most of the game. Luckily for us, the defense stepped up when they needed to (the interception)...

<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15709&stc=1&d=1147936819">

Half a game = most of game? forcing a fumble and returning it to the 50 to keep a field goal off the board and give good field position, a pick six and going to the half down by 8 when your offense has managed 1 first down is bad?

I'm not saying we don't have our issues. Goodman is an easy target. DJ hasn't been great in coverage lately. Miller is hurt. But to say they sucked "most of the game" is totally untrue.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 10:15 AM
Second Tiebreaker

Common Games

Oakland 4-4. Remaining: GB, Det, KC, SD

Denver 5-3. Remaining: Chi, NE, Buffalo, KC

I didn't catch this before, but it looks like all 4 remaining games for Denver and OAK are common games. We already have a game advantage so for them to catch us on that tiebreaker they'd have to post a better record than us out of the last 4, which would give them a game lead anyway.

Looks like we pretty much own the tiebreaker scene.

Rolandftw
12-06-2011, 10:19 AM
The division is still wide open. But it would be very difficult for either KC or SD to come back with some of their key injuries/schedule.

With three of four at home and three of four against teams that look pretty bad right now.. it's Denver's division to lose, honestly.

Gort
12-06-2011, 10:19 AM
I've been playing around with the ESPN and yahoo playoff scenario generators. In the vast majority of scenarios (based on winning %, power rank, home team, last meeting, etc.) Denver winds up winning the AFC West, and, more often than not, hosts the Steelers in the first round.

if that happens, i'd bet Champ and DJ are chosen to give the pregame speeches. those are the last 2 guys left on the roster from the 2005 AFCCG.

razorwire77
12-06-2011, 10:39 AM
Denver is in the strongest position to take the West. Chicago's offense is absolutely dreadful without Cutler and Forte. Just play solid defense, kick the ball away from Hester and grind out a couple of touchdowns on the ground. The Bear's defense is stout, but they're going to be on the field at altitude a lot. I'm thinking a 14-6, 17-7 ish type win. I think Denver closes out the season with a close loss to the Pats, a close win against the Bills and a dominating shutout win over KC 24-0 to take the West at 10-6. Although pocket sloth does make me nervous in that game, given the history of Bronco rejects burning the team as Chefs.

Both KC and SD are going to play spoilers down the stretch. I think SD actually beats Oakland.

McDman
12-06-2011, 10:46 AM
Revis couldn't shut down Johnson.

Revis ain't no Champ "mufuggin" Bailey!

Kidding.

I think our pass rush is better than the Jets.

strafen
12-06-2011, 11:06 AM
Guys, conference record won't matter as a tiebreaker unless we are tied in division record and games against common opponents.

All we have to do is have the same record as Oakland over the next 4 games with one of our wins being against KC and we clinch. Simple as that.

If they go 2-2 and we go 2-2 with one of the wins being against KC its over.I agree. However, I'd like to go better than just have the same record as Oakland in case we do win a 1st round game.
Loved to have some play-off games at home

boltaneer
12-06-2011, 11:17 AM
The Chargers have to win out to have any sort of chance and with that makeshift o-line, there's no way I see them beating the Ravens.

TheReverend
12-06-2011, 11:22 AM
The Chargers have to win out to have any sort of chance and with that makeshift o-line, there's no way I see them beating the Ravens.

I could still see them beating anyone.






...But they won't.

Shotgun Willie
12-06-2011, 11:23 AM
I agree. However, I'd like to go better than just have than just the same record as Oakland in case we do win a 1st round game.
Loved to have some play-off games at home

Outside of something really crazy happening with the teams ahead of us, we'll make it in as the #4 seed, even if we win out. I don't see any of them losing the 2+ games it would take for us to get any higher. The only way we're going to get more than the one home playoff game would be if we make the AFC Championship game and face a wildcard team.....like 2005.

TonyR
12-06-2011, 12:09 PM
What worries me is how horrible the defense looked at times last Sunday.

Hopefully they don't spend the entire first half on the field in any more games. We need to get the offense going a little earlier, particularly against NE.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 12:17 PM
Outside of something really crazy happening with the teams ahead of us, we'll make it in as the #4 seed, even if we win out. I don't see any of them losing the 2+ games it would take for us to get any higher. The only way we're going to get more than the one home playoff game would be if we make the AFC Championship game and face a wildcard team.....like 2005.

We were the 2 seed in 2005, so we had home field on everyone but the Colts.

This year it's pretty unlikely there'd be more than one home playoff game any way you slice it.

Eldorado
12-06-2011, 12:36 PM
Agree, as long as one of the two wins is against KC. That means we can't lose the division record tiebreaker and then it goes to common games which is advantage us

First Tiebreaker

Division Record

Oakland 2-2

Denver 3-2


Second Tiebreaker

Common Games

Oakland 4-4. Remaining: GB, Det, KC, SD

Denver 5-3. Remaining: Chi, NE, Buffalo, KC

Do common games exclude the head to head match ups?

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 12:43 PM
Do common games exclude the head to head match ups?

Yeah, I think it would have to include them. Although in a tiebreaker scenario they'd usually be a wash because you'd normally have to have a 1-1 head to head split to even need the second tiebreaker.

I guess there's a possible scenario for a 3-way tie for the division lead. Then it might matter. I'd think that's pretty rare though.

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 12:47 PM
Looking at it again though, maybe they're not included. Looked at the Raiders schedule and only spotted 2 teams we didn't play this year. And since the stats other people posted look like we've played 8 common games with 4 to go, that would equal 12 common games. The only way to get there from 16 would be to exclude the head to head I guess.

jhns
12-06-2011, 12:52 PM
I don't think head to head is included in common opponents since it is its own tie breaker, used before common opponents.

http://www.quickstats.com/nfl/wildcard.htm

NFL Tie-Breaker Procedures

Formats used to determine Division and Wild Card playoff berths

DIVISION TIES

If at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical best won-lost-tied percentage, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. The same steps are used to determine the sites.

TWO CLUBS

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games if applicable.
5. Best net points in division games.
6. Best net points in all games.
7. Strength of schedule.
8. Best net touchdwons in all games.
9. Coin Toss.

THREE OR MORE CLUBS

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
5. Best net points in division games.
6. Best net points in all games.
7. Strength of schedule.
8. Best net touchdowns in all games.
9. Coin Toss.

Note: If one team wins multiple-team tiebreaker to advance to playoff round, remaining teams revert to Step One of applicable two-club format, i.e., either in division tiebreaker or Wild Card tiebreaker. If two teams in a multiple-team tie possess superior marks in a tiebreaking step, this pair of teams advance to the top of the applicable two-club format to break the tie. One team advances to playoff round while other returns to original group and Step One of applicable tiebreaker.

WILD CARD TIES

If necessary to break ties to determine the three Wild Card clubs from each conference and the site of one of the two first-round playoff games, the following steps will be taken:

1. If the tied clubs are from the same divisions, apply division tie-breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

TWO CLUBS

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Best average net points in conference games.
5. Best net points in all games.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best net touchdowns in all games.
8. Coin Toss.

THREE OR MORE CLUBS

1. Apply division tiebreaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to Step Two. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tiebreaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the three Wild Card applicants.
2. Head-to-head sweep (Applicable only if one club has defeated each others, or if one club has lost to each of the others).
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Best average net points in conference games.
6. Best net points in all games.
7. Strength of schedule.
8. Best net touchdowns in all games.
9. Coin Toss.

Note: If two clubs remain tied after a third or other clubs are eliminated, the tie-breaker reverts to Step One of the applicable two-club format. When the first Wild Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to Step Two, and repeated a third time, if necessary, to identify the third time, if necessary, to identify the third Wild Card. In situations where three or more teams from the same are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tiebreaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild Card berth.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2011, 12:53 PM
Do common games exclude the head to head match ups?

If head to head is the first tiebreaker, why would they use head to head matchups as it is obviously a 1-1 record for each other? I think it would be used farther down for points in the games.

Eldorado
12-06-2011, 12:54 PM
OOp, got it. Per Espin:

Common opponents will now be the third tiebreaker within a division after head-to-head games and division record because each of the four teams will have 14 common games in the 16-game schedule.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers

So, if each team has 14 common games with a divisional foe, it MUST include head to heads.

Tombstone RJ
12-06-2011, 01:00 PM
Looking at the standings and the remaining schedule, it's not just the Raiders who could take the division from us, all four teams have a decent shot at winning the division crown. Here's how the schedule shapes up.

Denver Broncos 7-5 Div record 3-2 conf 6-3
Remaining schedule
Chicago
New England
AT Buffalo
Kansas City

Having the best conference and division record with 3 out of 4 home games left to play definitely puts us at a strong advantage holding all tie breakers at this point. Facing a mojo-less Bills, a depleted Chicago and the Chiefs at home will help. However we are looking banged up as well. New England is going to be picked by most as a loss and traveling east for a game and then coming back for a division opponent is never easy. We play better on the road, too, so if we went 2-2 it wouldn't surprise me at all, especially if Von can't come back.

Oakland Raiders 7-5 Div 2-2 Conf 5-5
Remaining schedule
AT Green Bay
Detroit
AT Kansas City
San Diego

Oakland looked exposed against a hot Miami team, a team Denver beat, and they still have to play the best team in football on the road and go to Kansas City where they have historically struggled, and in December where the Chiefs are one of the toughest teams to face. Then they come home against Rivers who it seems has finally turned a corner. They do get to face Detroit, who has fallen from grace, though. Still, if they win even three of those games, they can lock up the division.

Kansas City Chiefs 5-7 Div 2-2 Conf 3-6
Remaining Schedule
AT New York Jets
Green Bay
Oakland
AT Denver

KC has the worst conference record of all four teams which will hurt their chances. They also have to face the Packers. This is the game I think the Packers lose, actually. Seriously, I think the Chiefs can beat Green Bay. If they can make a late surge, and Denver and Oakland stumble, KC could win the division, though they would need some help.

San Diego Chargers 5-7 Div 2-3 Conf 4-5
Remaining Schedule
Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
AT Detroit
AT Oakland Raiders

The Chargers are in a tough spot because of their division record. However if they continue to improve and Rivers stays "normal Rivers," They could definitely win three out of the last four games they have. They could help their cause by beating the Raiders which means they would just need some help to have Denver lose. I honestly think they could win three of their last four and maybe sweep December. I am more worried about San Diego at this point than the Raiders.

Bottom line: This is still anyone's division. With four games to play, and only a half game lead on the division, this should go down to the wire and make for some good, meaningful late season games. It should be fun to watch!

Nice break down Kaylore, thanks! :thumbsup:

LetsGoBroncos
12-06-2011, 01:04 PM
I didn't catch this before, but it looks like all 4 remaining games for Denver and OAK are common games. We already have a game advantage so for them to catch us on that tiebreaker they'd have to post a better record than us out of the last 4, which would give them a game lead anyway.

Looks like we pretty much own the tiebreaker scene.

EXACTLY!!! Which is why I'm saying if we beat KC they can't win the tiebreaker against us. Worst we could do would be tie in the division record and beat them in the common games

bowtown
12-06-2011, 01:29 PM
Looking at the standings and the remaining schedule, it's not just the Raiders who could take the division from us, all four teams have a decent shot at winning the division crown. Here's how the schedule shapes up.

Denver Broncos 7-5 Div record 3-2 conf 6-3
Remaining schedule
Chicago
New England
AT Buffalo
Kansas City

Having the best conference and division record with 3 out of 4 home games left to play definitely puts us at a strong advantage holding all tie breakers at this point. Facing a mojo-less Bills, a depleted Chicago and the Chiefs at home will help. However we are looking banged up as well. New England is going to be picked by most as a loss and traveling east for a game and then coming back for a division opponent is never easy. We play better on the road, too, so if we went 2-2 it wouldn't surprise me at all, especially if Von can't come back.

Oakland Raiders 7-5 Div 2-2 Conf 5-5
Remaining schedule
AT Green Bay
Detroit
AT Kansas City
San Diego

Oakland looked exposed against a hot Miami team, a team Denver beat, and they still have to play the best team in football on the road and go to Kansas City where they have historically struggled, and in December where the Chiefs are one of the toughest teams to face. Then they come home against Rivers who it seems has finally turned a corner. They do get to face Detroit, who has fallen from grace, though. Still, if they win even three of those games, they can lock up the division.

Kansas City Chiefs 5-7 Div 2-2 Conf 3-6
Remaining Schedule
AT New York Jets
Green Bay
Oakland
AT Denver

KC has the worst conference record of all four teams which will hurt their chances. They also have to face the Packers. This is the game I think the Packers lose, actually. Seriously, I think the Chiefs can beat Green Bay. If they can make a late surge, and Denver and Oakland stumble, KC could win the division, though they would need some help.

San Diego Chargers 5-7 Div 2-3 Conf 4-5
Remaining Schedule
Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
AT Detroit
AT Oakland Raiders

The Chargers are in a tough spot because of their division record. However if they continue to improve and Rivers stays "normal Rivers," They could definitely win three out of the last four games they have. They could help their cause by beating the Raiders which means they would just need some help to have Denver lose. I honestly think they could win three of their last four and maybe sweep December. I am more worried about San Diego at this point than the Raiders.

Bottom line: This is still anyone's division. With four games to play, and only a half game lead on the division, this should go down to the wire and make for some good, meaningful late season games. It should be fun to watch!

You are the AlphaSeirra of playoff scenarios.

broncogary
12-06-2011, 02:24 PM
<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15709&stc=1&d=1147936819">

Half a game = most of game? forcing a fumble and returning it to the 50 to keep a field goal off the board and give good field position, a pick six and going to the half down by 8 when your offense has managed 1 first down is bad?

I'm not saying we don't have our issues. Goodman is an easy target. DJ hasn't been great in coverage lately. Miller is hurt. But to say they sucked "most of the game" is totally untrue.

DJ hasn't been good in coverage ever. He waits for the receiver to make the catch, then tries to make the tackle, if he hasn't fallen down or committed PI by then.

ZONA
12-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Agree, as long as one of the two wins is against KC. That means we can't lose the division record tiebreaker and then it goes to common games which is advantage us

First Tiebreaker

Division Record

Oakland 2-2

Denver 3-2


Second Tiebreaker

Common Games

Oakland 4-4. Remaining: GB, Det, KC, SD

Denver 5-3. Remaining: Chi, NE, Buffalo, KC

U sure about that? I thought conference record was the 2nd tie breaker


EDIT:

I guess you're right.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

BroncoBeavis
12-06-2011, 02:36 PM
U sure about that? I thought conference record was the 2nd tie breaker

We've been over it a couple times. I made the same mistake.

What we're talking about is actually the 3rd tiebreaker. Head to head is always 1st. Division record is always 2nd for an in-division tie. Then common opponents 3rd, and conference (AFC) record 4th.

For a tiebreaker across divisions (say for a Wild Card) the last two are reversed and division record is removed (since it would be irrelevant)

mwill07
12-06-2011, 02:41 PM
What needs to happen

Beating Oakland: If they win out, we would need to as well. Assuming they go 3-1 the rest of the way, we would have to beat KC and any two other teams. If they get hot, we'll have to stay hot, and either way, beating KC is critical.

Beating the Chargers: Due to conference and division record, any two wins eliminates the Chargers, even if they go 4-0, which would put the Raiders out as they play them.

Beating the Chiefs: They win out, which would mean they beat us, we would need to win the three previous games or they would take the division if Oakland lost at least one more game. If they drop one game, winning any two puts us in.

So we need at least two games, one being the Chiefs, or beating Buffalo, New England and Chicago puts us in.

Yup. I've spent some time fleshing all this out; here's what I can add to the above:

To eliminate oak, all we have to do is match their wins...they win 2, we need to win two. Only caveat - if they beat KC and SD, we must beat KC and at least one other game.

to beat SD, we need two wins. That's it. Or, if we beat KC, SD is eliminated if they lose a single game.

To eliminate KC, all we have to do is beat KC in week 17., regardless of how anything else plays out.

In a best case scenario, there is no way we could clinch anything until after the Buffalo game.

Here is one early clinch scenario: we win two of three between CHI, NE, and @BUF. oak loses to @GB, DET, and @KC, and KC loses one between @NYJ and GB...we clinch before the KC game is played.

Agamemnon
12-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Only if we completely choke...

vonqkilla
12-06-2011, 02:48 PM
We are gonna kill the bears on the ground with the read option, make briggs and urlacher decide what to do, and play action off it.

Defense will dominate. Broncos -10. Pay for xmas.

Eldorado
12-06-2011, 03:18 PM
This is coming down to the wire. That KC game is looming HUGE.

Mile High Mojoe
12-06-2011, 04:23 PM
The Broncos control their own destiny and have the easier schedule. They should beat the Bears and the Chiefs. The Pats game is the toughest one left but Brady has not played well in Denver so I don't think it's impossible for the Broncos to beat them, especially given how well the D has been playing.

I don't think the Bills game will be a gimme and could be a difficult game too but this should be a winnable game.

The Chiefs are least likely to be a threat. The Raiders and Charges are reeling right now but of the 2 I fear the Chargers have a better chance at making a run than the Raiders. I’m betting the Raiders fold up their tent, they looked horrible against the Fins and proved that if Palmer gets any kind of pressure he just isn’t the same QB. The Raiders D has melted down too, I think they're done.

I guess its fun to speculate but I just hope the Broncos aren’t looking ahead to the Patriots and concern themselves with beating the Bears this week. Looking ahead has a tendency to bite you in the butt and get you beat.

Popps
12-06-2011, 04:25 PM
We just can't overlook this week. This is one of those "easy" games that seem to cause so much trouble. Hopefully the entire team is looking at it that way.

Mile High Mojoe
12-06-2011, 04:27 PM
We just can't overlook this week. This is one of those "easy" games that seem to cause so much trouble. Hopefully the entire team is looking at it that way.

My feelings exactly.

TDmvp
12-06-2011, 04:30 PM
We just can't overlook this week. This is one of those "easy" games that seem to cause so much trouble. Hopefully the entire team is looking at it that way.

Ahhh So you're saying

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif

:giggle:

CEH
12-06-2011, 04:36 PM
We win this week I think it's over. This is not 2008. This team is the better team most Sundays and the team that wants it more

"They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God."

Mouth
12-06-2011, 04:42 PM
Interesting thing to think about......
Raiders win out and we go 3-1.
WE should get the wild card because the only team currently in the wild-card race that we have to worry about is the Titans. I would like this situation more than anything else because we play the texans (more than likely)

Mouth

Agamemnon
12-06-2011, 04:47 PM
Interesting thing to think about......
Raiders win out and we go 3-1.
WE should get the wild card because the only team currently in the wild-card race that we have to worry about is the Titans. I would like this situation more than anything else because we play the texans (more than likely)

Mouth

Raiders have zero chance of winning out. Come back to reality...

Mouth
12-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Raiders have zero chance of winning out. Come back to reality...

Your contribution to my post was obviously well thought out, and intelectually stimulating. Please stop

Mouth

oubronco
12-06-2011, 04:52 PM
We just can't overlook this week. This is one of those "easy" games that seem to cause so much trouble. Hopefully the entire team is looking at it that way.

I don't think it will be easy Chicago's Defense is still pretty damn good

Agamemnon
12-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Your contribution to my post was obviously well thought out, and intilectually stimulating. Please stop

Mouth

The Raiders just got blown out by the Dolphins, and still have to play Green Bay and Detroit. They aren't winning out. Period.

KevinJames
12-06-2011, 04:57 PM
I feel like you guys are worrying too much. Consider us in the playoffs, unless we completely collapse. Even if we go 2-2 we are most likely in.

Broncos will pretty much win the AFC west as long as they don't **** the bed. All they have to do is win 2 games and they will win the AFC West. Raiders will likely lose this week to the Packers putting them a game back so really 2 games since we hold the tie breaker. Bascially if we win 2 games we make the playoffs. They face the Lions when Suh comes back so I think the Raiders could take of themselves and even if they don't we know they won't beat GB.

If we can't beat a cutler+forteless bears team lead by Caleb and a bad KC team we don't deserve to make the playoffs.

SD is done put a fork in them they will lose at least one more game. Go **** yourselves San Diego.

cutthemdown
12-06-2011, 04:57 PM
I don't think it will be easy Chicago's Defense is still pretty damn good

Yep Bears without Forte and Cutler as good as Viking with Ponder and no AD Peterson! The defense is sound vs the run and Broncos will have work cut out for them dealing with Urlacher, Briggs and Peppers.

cutthemdown
12-06-2011, 04:58 PM
I could see the Chargers winning out. We need to win and make it all moot!

Agamemnon
12-06-2011, 05:07 PM
I could see the Chargers winning out. We need to win and make it all moot!

Two more wins and we beat out the Chargers I believe, even if they do win out. Not that they will mind you. Beating up on the Jaguars hardly indicates they can win out, especially when they still have to play Baltimore and Detroit.

cutthemdown
12-06-2011, 05:21 PM
Two more wins and we beat out the Chargers I believe, even if they do win out. Not that they will mind you. Beating up on the Jaguars hardly indicates they can win out, especially when they still have to play Baltimore and Detroit.

Just history last few yrs tells us Chargers win out, Raiders fall out. Broncos win this week and I will feel a lot better about the playoffs.

wow! playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs!

mwill07
12-06-2011, 05:38 PM
I feel like you guys are worrying too much. Consider us in the playoffs, unless we completely collapse. Even if we go 2-2 we are most likely in.

Broncos will pretty much win the AFC west as long as they don't **** the bed. All they have to do is win 2 games and they will win the AFC West. Raiders will likely lose this week to the Packers putting them a game back so really 2 games since we hold the tie breaker. Bascially if we win 2 games we make the playoffs. They face the Lions when Suh comes back so I think the Raiders could take of themselves and even if they don't we know they won't beat GB.

If we can't beat a cutler+forteless bears team lead by Caleb and a bad KC team we don't deserve to make the playoffs.

SD is done put a fork in them they will lose at least one more game. Go **** yourselves San Diego.

I want to agree with this, but the ghosts of 2006-2009 are still roaming freely.

Agamemnon
12-06-2011, 05:40 PM
Just history last few yrs tells us Chargers win out, Raiders fall out. Broncos win this week and I will feel a lot better about the playoffs.

wow! playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs!

History also tells us that Rivers is a 100+ rating QB...

KevinJames
12-06-2011, 05:49 PM
I want to agree with this, but the ghosts of 2006-2009 are still roaming freely.

We got John Fox now :thumbsup:

His record actually gets better later in the season and post season unlike the other coaches we had in the past.

Broncos 2002-2010: Second-half and playoffs record: 36-40.

John Fox's record: second half of the season and playoffs, 48-36.

:yayaya:

we finally found the right coach

CEH
12-06-2011, 05:59 PM
We got John Fox now :thumbsup:

His record actually gets better later in the season and post season unlike the other coaches we had in the past.

Broncos 2002-2010: Second-half and playoffs record: 36-40.

John Fox's record: second half of the season and playoffs, 48-36.

:yayaya:

we finally found the right coach

Since '00 ,Shanahan's 2nd half record (last 12 games each year) was avergae at best. Never above .500 expect for '05. His playoff record even worst

broncocalijohn
12-06-2011, 06:14 PM
Since '00 ,Shanahan's 2nd half record (last 12 games each year) was avergae at best. Never above .500 expect for '05. His playoff record even worst

Dont forget to highlight his 2008 streak for the last 3 games. Legendary! Sad to see a good coach stink so bad when it matters most. Cutler and/or Shanny for the Fail. I hope Fox is the guy that keeps on trucking to the finish end.

mwill07
12-06-2011, 06:26 PM
Dont forget to highlight his 2008 streak for the last 3 games. Legendary! Sad to see a good coach stink so bad when it matters most. Cutler and/or Shanny for the Fail. I hope Fox is the guy that keeps on trucking to the finish end.

Even in the best seasons Denver has ever had -

1996: 11-1
1997: 10-2
1998: 12-0

we went 2-2 over the last 4 games.

IMO it will be Tebows greatest miracle if we can close out the rest of the season 3-1 or better.

ICON
12-06-2011, 06:39 PM
If Denver can win the Bears game,The biggest must-win game on the Broncos’ schedule is Week 17 against the Chiefs. In any tiebreaker scenario, a win against the Chiefs virtually guarantees Broncos the division title. A loss well lets not lose to K.C.

strafen
12-06-2011, 06:58 PM
Dont forget to highlight his 2008 streak for the last 3 games. Legendary! Sad to see a good coach stink so bad when it matters most. Cutler and/or Shanny for the Fail. I hope Fox is the guy that keeps on trucking to the finish end.

This defense is solid...
The times we've beaten NE have been thru pressure on the QB.
We can frustrate Brady. Von Miller should be good to go on all cylinders for that game...
Buffalo, to tell you the truth, is the only game I worry about...

maher_tyler
12-06-2011, 06:59 PM
If we can't go 3-1 with what is left on our schedule, we don't deserve the playoffs. I'd like to beat these weaker teams a little more convincingly.

Steve Sewell
12-06-2011, 07:09 PM
Kayloar!

ARE YOU QUESTIONING TEBOW?????

strafen
12-06-2011, 07:12 PM
Kayloar!

ARE YOU QUESTIONING TEBOW?????Blasphemy!!!

Dagmar
12-06-2011, 07:15 PM
Chargers are 10 and 1 in December in recent seasons. Something like that anyway.

Colorado4Life
12-07-2011, 07:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2011, 11:08 AM
The Chiefs win a three-way tie at 8-8 if they beat Oak and Denver.

Pretty hilarious.

WolfpackGuy
12-07-2011, 11:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

Nice.

Broncomutt
12-07-2011, 11:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

LOL

Remembering the Kyle Orton Era
December 4, 2011
12:46 - 12:47

strafen
12-07-2011, 11:34 AM
Bwahaha!!!
Too funny! Ha!

broncocalijohn
12-07-2011, 12:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

Only time I laughed and enjoyed a Barbara Streisand song. Well, that and her singing Christmas songs as a Jew.

That is what Haley gets for calling a flea flicker on 2nd and 10. Who would bite on that?

mwill07
12-07-2011, 12:19 PM
The Chiefs win a three-way tie at 8-8 if they beat Oak and Denver.

Pretty hilarious.

it is pretty hilarious because that would also require KC to win @NYJ or vs GB.

bendog
12-07-2011, 01:09 PM
hey, try holding a bottle of Jack with a hand like this. Kyle's playing injured.

http://images.brighthub.com/b2/c/b2c3a4b6b81b9050869c966309f03e92e57be16e_large.jpg

Rohirrim
12-07-2011, 01:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

Ha! Cold, but funny as hell.

Jetmeck
12-07-2011, 01:16 PM
The Chiefs win a three-way tie at 8-8 if they beat Oak and Denver.

Pretty hilarious.

Listen up son. Your last hail mary piece of luck just fell in McCluste****s lap last week. THE CHIEFS WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER GAME THIS YEAR.................................

Powderaddict
12-07-2011, 01:42 PM
Even in the best seasons Denver has ever had -

1996: 11-1
1997: 10-2
1998: 12-0

we went 2-2 over the last 4 games.

IMO it will be Tebows greatest miracle if we can close out the rest of the season 3-1 or better.

You know, this year, it seems different. Like past trends and history don't really matter. I think Fox can help this team buck that trend. As the weather gets worse, a tough physical powerful running team gets stronger.

Plus, Tebow is getting better every week. The team seems to be getting stronger as the season goes on, which is completely 180 degrees from the Broncos of yesteryear.

Go Broncos!

mwill07
12-07-2011, 02:08 PM
You know, this year, it seems different. Like past trends and history don't really matter. I think Fox can help this team buck that trend. As the weather gets worse, a tough physical powerful running team gets stronger.

Plus, Tebow is getting better every week. The team seems to be getting stronger as the season goes on, which is completely 180 degrees from the Broncos of yesteryear.

Go Broncos!

It does. Maxdenver has an article (http://www.maxdenver.com/news/2011/12/07/for-fox-late-season-surges-are-nothing-new/)about Fox and how his teams traditionally get stronger in Q4:

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – When the Broncos hired John Fox, they didn’t just hire a coach whose résumé was defined by turning a 1-15 side to a conference champion in two years.

They hired someone whose teams usually improve as the season progresses — an unfamiliar notion to the Broncos in recent years.

All you have to do is compare Fox’s career record over quarters of the season to see the pattern.

Games 1-4: 19-21
Games 5-8: 18-22
Games 9-12: 22-18
Games 13-16 and playoffs: 26-18

Then contrast that to the Broncos’ record in those portions under Mike Shanahan and Josh McDaniels from 2002-10:

Games 1-4: 27-9
Games 5-8: 16-20
Games 9-12: 17-19
Games 13-16 and playoffs: 19-21

fdf
12-07-2011, 02:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

That's cold. And very funny.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2011, 02:23 PM
Listen up son. Your last hail mary piece of luck just fell in McCluste****s lap last week. THE CHIEFS WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER GAME THIS YEAR.................................

I gave up on the Chiefs winning **** after we lost to Denver.

You lose a game to the ****ing Denver Broncos and Tim Tebow, you're ****ed.

BroncoBeavis
12-07-2011, 02:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIHGVmFZaM

Excellent video exploring the Kyle Orton Era in Kansas City.

Love the aged film effect they put on the game footage. Had to be an OMer that did this.

KCStud
12-07-2011, 02:57 PM
Listen up son. Your last hail mary piece of luck just fell in McCluste****s lap last week. THE CHIEFS WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER GAME THIS YEAR.................................

Haha admit you were wrong man. KC was the better team last Sunday (did I just say that?)

KCStud
12-07-2011, 02:59 PM
I gave up on the Chiefs winning **** after we lost to Denver.

You lose a game to the ****ing Denver Broncos and Tim Tebow, you're ****ed.

No. You gave up after week 2. Then you came groveling back and making videos jumping on the bandwagon when we won 4 straight. Then you went into full meltdown mode again jumped off the bandwagon for the 2nd time in a row.

bendog
12-07-2011, 03:12 PM
Haha admit you were wrong man. KC was the better team last Sunday (did I just say that?)

It's just Haley taking you out of the Barkley/III sweeptstakes.

Rohirrim
12-07-2011, 03:17 PM
No. You gave up after week 2. Then you came groveling back and making videos jumping on the bandwagon when we won 4 straight. Then you went into full meltdown mode again jumped off the bandwagon for the 2nd time in a row.

Damn! Even the Chief's Planeteers think Boob is a POS. :~ohyah!:

KCStud
12-07-2011, 03:21 PM
It's just Haley taking you out of the Barkley/III sweeptstakes.

We can trade up

bendog
12-07-2011, 03:23 PM
We can trade up

yeah, you can. And picking up Orton was a nice move if Pioli wants to pull the plug on the Cassel move, and go with a young gun. Just don't win anymore. Think Irsay.

KCStud
12-07-2011, 05:32 PM
yeah, you can. And picking up Orton was a nice move if Pioli wants to pull the plug on the Cassel move, and go with a young gun. Just don't win anymore. Think Irsay.

C'mon now. How many teams lose for draft position? None.

Ok maybe the Colts this year, but that's debatable.

Hamrob
12-07-2011, 06:03 PM
To win the division we are going to have to go 3-1..........or, get very lucky!

The fade will lose to the Pack, so the best they can do is 3-1....but, I could see that happen.

The Chargers would have to win all 4 games, could happen, but I just don't see it happening....especially with Baltimore on the schedule.

The Chiefs...stick a fork in them.....their done.

Agamemnon
12-07-2011, 07:36 PM
To win the division we are going to have to go 3-1..........or, get very lucky!

The fade will lose to the Pack, so the best they can do is 3-1....but, I could see that happen.

The Chargers would have to win all 4 games, could happen, but I just don't see it happening....especially with Baltimore on the schedule.

The Chiefs...stick a fork in them.....their done.

Is a bunch of mediocre to bad teams going 2-2 or worse really "very lucky"? Seems like the way the season has gone so far, that should be expected from all the jokers in our division.

And anyway, we are running the table, so it won't ultimately matter. This team means business.

Broncojef
12-07-2011, 09:41 PM
Look at the raider schedule we go 2-2 and the division is ours.

mwill07
12-11-2011, 07:12 PM
So where are we now?

We have NE, @ BUF and KC. oak has DET, @ KC, and SD.

One win coupled with one oakland loss puts us at 9 wins, oakland with 9 max wins. I guess it's possible that if they beat SD & KC and we lose to KC, they still get the division. So, we need one additional win or one oak loss, right?

Magic number = 3 then?

Kid A
12-11-2011, 07:33 PM
Starting to feel like it's more between us and San Diego right now. Oakland looks headed toward beat downs against Detroit and San Diego. I could see the Bolts beating the Ravens. If they do that and we lose to NE, those last couple weeks will become must win.

UboBronco
12-11-2011, 07:36 PM
Looking at tie breakers, I believe, no matter what else happens in the AFC west, if Denver beats KC, we are the champs, by division tie breakers... Go Broncos

jutang
12-11-2011, 07:42 PM
We have the tiebreaker over the Jets and Cinci. Great chance for a wild card even if SD somehow catches up to us.

mwill07
12-11-2011, 07:43 PM
Starting to feel like it's more between us and San Diego right now. Oakland looks headed toward beat downs against Detroit and San Diego. I could see the Bolts beating the Ravens. If they do that and we lose to NE, those last couple weeks will become must win.

I think if we win one or they lose one, they are eliminated. Even if we lose to NE and they beat Balt, if we beat Buf they are out. I think.

Kaylore
12-11-2011, 07:47 PM
So where are we now?

We have NE, @ BUF and KC. oak has DET, @ KC, and SD.

One win coupled with one oakland loss puts us at 9 wins, oakland with 9 max wins. I guess it's possible that if they beat SD & KC and we lose to KC, they still get the division. So, we need one additional win or one oak loss, right?

Magic number = 3 then?

Have some breathing room, but don't sleep on the raiders or Chargers who won't go quietly. Chiefs losing simplifies things though.

assuming each team wins out, to clinch the division Denver needs...

To eliminate San Diego and Kc, Denver needs to win one more game or have either lose just one game. Denver owns the tiebreakers with the bolts, and the best Kc can finish is 8-8, so nine wins eliminates them.
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If Oakland wins out, Denver needs to win two out of three, one being the Chiefs to keep the tiebreaker. If we match their record, we're in regardless.

Mile High Mojoe
12-11-2011, 07:50 PM
Starting to feel like it's more between us and San Diego right now. Oakland looks headed toward beat downs against Detroit and San Diego. I could see the Bolts beating the Ravens. If they do that and we lose to NE, those last couple weeks will become must win.

I've said the same… the Chargers are going to make a run, the Raiders are done. We control our destiny that’s the key here. Give our best game to the Patsies this week and focus all attention on it. If the Broncos could somehow upset them I think the Pandora’s Box is going to slip wide open and I believe anything is possible at that point. Anything…

TheChamp24
12-12-2011, 08:15 AM
If we beat Kansas City, we're in as I don't see Oakland winning out to go to 10-6.
We'd hold the division tiebreaker over San Diego, and I believe common opponents over Oakland.
The key game is the Chiefs game and it worries me that they'll play spoiler.

Kaylore
12-12-2011, 09:10 AM
For me, the magic number is two games. I really think two games seals it. One more kills the Chiefs and Boltz. You figure the Raiders drop one more and that means two wins seals it. Let's get one, though. I want to lock out the Boltz and Chiefs.

BroncoBeavis
12-12-2011, 09:14 AM
If we beat Kansas City, we're in as I don't see Oakland winning out to go to 10-6.
We'd hold the division tiebreaker over San Diego, and I believe common opponents over Oakland.
The key game is the Chiefs game and it worries me that they'll play spoiler.

Unless OAK wins out* if we beat the Chiefs, we're in.

If we win the next two, we won't need the Chiefs game.

That about sums it up at this point I think.


* LOL

broncocalijohn
12-12-2011, 09:19 AM
Well, we saw Shanny, Cutler with a pretty bad and banged up defense blow a 3 game lead with 3 to play. No way in hell that this happens to us. Chargers are the antagonists once again but I see a different ending to this cinderella season.

mwill07
12-12-2011, 09:29 AM
Unless OAK wins out* if we beat the Chiefs, we're in.

If we win the next two, we won't need the Chiefs game.

That about sums it up at this point I think.


* LOL

the match checks out...this is accurate.

Smilin Assassin
12-12-2011, 09:31 AM
Well if the season plays out like all our games seem to, we're in for a wild final 3 weeks.

edog24
12-12-2011, 09:33 AM
No way Oak wins out, Palmer looks worse every week, I could see them losing out more than likely.

pricejj
12-12-2011, 10:01 AM
Have some breathing room, but don't sleep on the raiders or Chargers who won't go quietly. Chiefs losing simplifies things though.

assuming each team wins out, to clinch the division Denver needs...

To eliminate San Diego and Kc, Denver needs to win one more game or have either lose just one game. Denver owns the tiebreakers with the bolts, and the best Kc can finish is 8-8, so nine wins eliminates them.
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If Oakland wins out, Denver needs to win two out of three, one being the Chiefs to keep the tiebreaker. If we match their record, we're in regardless.

Thanks.

Detroit needs to beat Oakland to stay in the wildcard race in the NFC, they are currently the 6th seed (with a game left at Lambeau). Suh will be back. If Detroit beats Oakland, all we have to do is beat the Chiefs.

Gort
12-12-2011, 10:09 AM
Thanks.

Detroit needs to beat Oakland to stay in the wildcard race in the NFC, they are currently the 6th seed (with a game left at Lambeau). Suh will be back.If Detroit beats Oakland, all we have to do is beat the Chiefs.

would somebody please fly to Detroit, find Suh's camaro in the parking lot, and give it a thorough working-over with a sledgehammer. then spray paint all over it, "Oakland Raiders Rule!" and "Al Davis Lives!!".

thank you in advance.

broncocalijohn
12-12-2011, 10:48 AM
No way Oak wins out, Palmer looks worse every week, I could see them losing out more than likely.

How dare you talk about their 2 first round draftees value pick like that! Actually, he was getting better up until last week.

broncocalijohn
12-12-2011, 10:50 AM
would somebody please fly to Detroit, find Suh's camaro in the parking lot, and give it a thorough working-over with a sledgehammer. then spray paint all over it, "Oakland Raiders Rule!" and "Al Davis Lives!!".

thank you in advance.



No problem! But who's Dad will have the b.itchin set of tools to fix it?

TDmvp
12-12-2011, 10:51 AM
No way Oak wins out, Palmer looks worse every week, I could see them losing out more than likely.

As someone living in Cincinnati no one had a clue wtf Oak. was doing offering what they did for Palmer ... As much as i liked Carson as a QB at one point he has never been the same since the knee.

bronco610
12-12-2011, 11:07 AM
As someone living in Cincinnati no one had a clue wtf Oak. was doing offering what they did for Palmer ... As much as i liked Carson as a QB at one point he has never been the same since the knee.

You live in Cinci???
You have my sympathy...

Gort
12-12-2011, 11:18 AM
jinxes schminxes. here goes...

if the Broncos end their season with 2 straight wins, they will be Superbowl champions.

there is no scenario where ending their season with 2 straight wins doesn't result in a championship.

Miss I.
12-12-2011, 11:25 AM
jinxes schminxes. here goes...

if the Broncos end their season with 2 straight wins, they will be Superbowl champions.

there is no scenario where ending their season with 2 straight wins doesn't result in a championship.

Green Bay?

Kid A
12-12-2011, 11:34 AM
Green Bay?

I think he's making a joke with a play on wording. If the Broncos season ends on consecutive wins that would imply making the playoffs and finishing on a loss.

Gort
12-12-2011, 11:44 AM
I think he's making a joke with a play on wording. If the Broncos season ends on consecutive wins that would imply making the playoffs and finishing on a win. <-- fixed your mistake

not a joke, just an observation.

if the Broncos end their regular season with 2 straight wins, they make the playoffs no matter what else happens, so there is no way for that to be the end of the season.

if you're in the playoffs, only 1 team ends their season with a win, and that's the champions.

so, if the Broncos finish their season with 2 straight wins, they'll be hoisting the Lombardi.

unfortunately, for all of the teams that have already clinched a playoff spot, they can accurately say that if they finish their seasons with a win, they'll be hoisting the Lombardi.

Miss I.
12-12-2011, 11:52 AM
not a joke, just an observation.

if the Broncos end their regular season with 2 straight wins, they make the playoffs no matter what else happens, so there is no way for that to be the end of the season.

if you're in the playoffs, only 1 team ends their season with a win, and that's the champions.

so, if the Broncos finish their season with 2 straight wins, they'll be hoisting the Lombardi.

unfortunately, for all of the teams that have already clinched a playoff spot, they can accurately say that if they finish their seasons with a win, they'll be hoisting the Lombardi.

oh, well I feel silly then. Darn it. no more rum for me. ;D

Kaylore
12-19-2011, 06:16 AM
Bump.

This is true now more than ever. All three teams have a shot to win the division.

What's scary is this could be a repeat of the season that got Shanahan fired where we had three games left, lost to Buffalo, then the Chargers and lost the division. The Chargers had three games left, dominated the Ravens, and can win out. We need to beat Buffalo to eliminate the Chiefs and the Chargers, and beat the Chiefs to eliminate the Raiders.

I am more worried about the Chargers than the Chiefs.

I did call the Chiefs beating the Packers. :)

Kid A
12-19-2011, 07:05 AM
Bump.

This is true now more than ever. All three teams have a shot to win the division.

What's scary is this could be a repeat of the season that got Shanahan fired where we had three games left, lost to Buffalo, then the Chargers and lost the division. The Chargers had three games left, dominated the Ravens, and can win out. We need to beat Buffalo to eliminate the Chiefs and the Chargers, and beat the Chiefs to eliminate the Raiders.

I am more worried about the Chargers than the Chiefs.

I did call the Chiefs beating the Packers. :)

Yep. Though I believe beating Buffalo only eliminates KC, as San Diego has only 7 losses. Unless the Bolts and Raiders both lose next week, it will come down to the final game no matter what we do against the Bills.

Kaylore
12-19-2011, 07:39 AM
Yep. Though I believe beating Buffalo only eliminates KC, as San Diego has only 7 losses. Unless the Bolts and Raiders both lose next week, it will come down to the final game no matter what we do against the Bills.

We own the tie breaker against the Chargers. Even if they win out, if we win one more game they cannot win the division.