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ZONA
12-05-2011, 12:25 AM
Tied with Oakland at 7-5. We have a better division record by 1 game and only 1 division game left. Oakland has 2 division games left so if we ended up with the same record, and the same amount of division wins. We have 1 more conference win and still have 3 conference games left while Oakland only has 2.

So, doesn't that mean we DO control our own destiny? If we win out and Oakland wins out, we would go to the playoffs. Is that correct?

myMind
12-05-2011, 12:28 AM
If we can beat the Bears next week, and assuming the Pack will keep rolling. If those both happen then I say we do.

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2011, 12:31 AM
Tied with Oakland at 7-5. We have a better division record by 1 game and only 1 division game left. Oakland has 2 division games left so if we ended up with the same record, and the same amount of division wins. We have 1 more conference win and still have 3 conference games left while Oakland only has 2.

So, doesn't that mean we DO control our own destiny? If we win out and Oakland wins out, we would go to the playoffs. Is that correct?

Yes, but if we both win out, Oakland would likely get a wild card berth.

TDmvp
12-05-2011, 12:31 AM
Pretty sure we do now ... We are in 1st atm and even if we slip out of the Div. lead we have wins over the Benglas and Jets who we would be in a battle with for the last wild card spot...

But I think we control our own fate and can win the Div.

ZONA
12-05-2011, 12:32 AM
If we can beat the Bears next week, and assuming the Pack will keep rolling. If those both happen then I say we do.

Mmmm, I think we do right now. Let's say both teams win every game left, it would go to the 2nd tie breaker. Records the same, division wins the same. The tiebreak then becomes conference games. Being up 1 game already in the conference, and having 3 more to play while Oakland only has 2, we would have the better conference record and win the tiebreaker.

TDmvp
12-05-2011, 12:33 AM
Mmmm, I think we do right now. Let's say both teams win every game left, it would go to the 2nd tie breaker. Records the same, division wins the same. The tiebreak then becomes conference games. Being up 1 game already in the conference, and having 3 more to play while Oakland only has 2, we would have the better conference record and win the tiebreaker.

Yup ... + tie breakers over Jets , Bengals .

broncocalijohn
12-05-2011, 12:36 AM
LOL at some of you stating the Raiders will win out. Just stop. If we win out, we are 11-5 and I don't see how we don't make the playoffs with our tiebreaker against the Jets. We should be good with one more loss.

Come on, Raiders winning out! Puhleeeeeaze.

myMind
12-05-2011, 12:36 AM
Mmmm, I think we do right now. Let's say both teams win every game left, it would go to the 2nd tie breaker. Records the same, division wins the same. The tiebreak then becomes conference games. Being up 1 game already in the conference, and having 3 more to play while Oakland only has 2, we would have the better conference record and win the tiebreaker.

Lets hope we can beat the Pats then.
I can't see the fade beating GB, and could totally see SD playing spoiler for them at the end. If we beat the the Bears Ill be a lot more hopeful for a playoff berth.

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2011, 12:38 AM
Even more incredible than the fact that the Broncos are in the drivers seat for the division is that they have also positioned themselves as the front runner for the wild card spot that either the Steelers or Ravens don't get.

Where this team has come over a short span of time against some pretty heavy odds is incredible.

This hasn't been an easy run. It has been a massive road trip against mostly playoff contenders and/or division rivals.

TDmvp
12-05-2011, 12:41 AM
Even more incredible than the fact that the Broncos are in the drivers seat for the division is that they have also positioned themselves as the front runner for the wild card spot that either the Steelers or Ravens don't get.

Where this team has come over a short span of time against some pretty heavy odds is incredible.

This hasn't been an easy run. It has been a massive road trip against mostly playoff contenders and/or division rivals.


http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture

Both those teams will get in

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2011, 12:49 AM
http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture

Both those teams will get in

Yeah, one will win the division and the other will get the wild card.

ant1999e
12-05-2011, 12:49 AM
http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture

Both those teams will get in

I assume he's talking about the spot left over.

TDmvp
12-05-2011, 12:50 AM
My bad , read it wrong ... I've been up way to long ...

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2011, 12:54 AM
My bad , read it wrong ... I've been up way to long ...

To atone for your mistake, you must pry open your eyes and read a 100-page thread where "TheReverend" and "MacGruber" slap fight and argue and get back to us with a synoposis with accompanying sociological analysis.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-05-2011, 12:55 AM
and wow Kubes Texans are 9-3 amazing

cutthemdown
12-05-2011, 12:58 AM
LOL at some of you stating the Raiders will win out. Just stop. If we win out, we are 11-5 and I don't see how we don't make the playoffs with our tiebreaker against the Jets. We should be good with one more loss.

Come on, Raiders winning out! Puhleeeeeaze.

WIN OUT! lol they will be lucky to win 1 more game. The coaching staff stinks, the team falling apart, Davis gone and left no one to run the team. No way Davis trades a first and 2nd for Palmer.

Raiders going into some dark days until Mark Davis realizes he should sell the team to someone really rich. He simply doesn't have the money.

ZONA
12-05-2011, 01:12 AM
Yup ... + tie breakers over Jets , Bengals .

Yup. Now all we need (besides our winning) is for the Titans to a few more and most importantly, their last game to the Texans. They're still in the hunt for that last wildcard spot also. They need some division wins but they do play the Colts and Jagwads coming up. We need them to lose that last division game to Houston.

Archer81
12-05-2011, 01:27 AM
Win out. Problem solved, and who will give a fook about Oakland then?


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
12-05-2011, 01:29 AM
Win out. Problem solved, and who will give a fook about Oakland then?


:Broncos:

Does anyone now? Ha!

Archer81
12-05-2011, 01:30 AM
Does anyone now? Ha!


This thread exists, does it not?


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
12-05-2011, 01:34 AM
This thread exists, does it not?


:Broncos:

Yeah, but they just got blown out by the ****ing Dolphins. So...does anyone really care? Is anyone really worried? The Raiders suck...

TheChamp24
12-05-2011, 08:32 AM
A key game for us is that last game vs. Kansas City. We need to win it to go 4-2 in the division.
The rest of the way for both of us, how I see it:
Denver:
Chicago - W, Forte and Cutler out, yeah, our D should win this for us, 8-5
NE - L, Pats too much for us, 8-6
@Buffalo - A wildcard here, but I think we fight our way to a win barely, 9-6
KC - W, 10-6

Oakland:
@GB - L, I don't see anyway possible they could win this game, 7-6
Detroit - Could be a tough game for Oakland, but I think they pull off the win, 8-6
@KC - W, 9-7
San Diego - W, 10-6

Head to head tiebreaker: 1-1
Division: both 4-2
Conference games:
Denver - 8-4
Oakland - 7-5

Denver wins division. That KC game is going to be HUGE and we have to win it.

v2micca
12-05-2011, 09:04 AM
LOL at some of you stating the Raiders will win out. Just stop. If we win out, we are 11-5 and I don't see how we don't make the playoffs with our tiebreaker against the Jets. We should be good with one more loss.

Come on, Raiders winning out! Puhleeeeeaze.

Yes, it is highly unlikely. But the initial question was, do we currently control our own destiny? I.E. if we win out, do we get a play-off birth regardless of any other mathematically possible scenario playing out in the NFL. So, to answer that question, you have to consider any scenario, even the highly unlikely ones.

ScottXray
12-05-2011, 11:06 AM
Tied with Oakland at 7-5. We have a better division record by 1 game and only 1 division game left. Oakland has 2 division games left so if we ended up with the same record, and the same amount of division wins. We have 1 more conference win and still have 3 conference games left while Oakland only has 2.

So, doesn't that mean we DO control our own destiny? If we win out and Oakland wins out, we would go to the playoffs. Is that correct?

We definitely control our own destiny. Win out and we win the division no matter what else happens elsewhere. In fact winning out would probably get us the 3rd or 2nd AFC seed.
Assuming we lose one and Oakland loses one we still own the division. The next two weeks will be our toughest tests, although KC is playing very good defense and is trying to get back in the hunt. The Buffalo game is a possible trap game if we win the next 2. If we go 3-1 I think we are a lock as long as Oakland loses one.

Shotgun Willie
12-05-2011, 11:10 AM
In fact winning out would probably get us the 3rd or 2nd AFC seed.

Probably not. There are 4 AFC teams with 2 fewer losses than us right now, and all have better conference records. Unless 3 out of 4 of the following lose AT LEAST two more games, we can't get the #2 seed:

Pats
Texans
Steelers
Ravens

Rohirrim
12-05-2011, 11:15 AM
Miami just humiliated the Faders and now the Fade is going into Lambeau Field in December. The Packers just won their squeaker of the year against the Giants. They will stomp Chokeland into a paste.

The Bears, with their porous Oline and Hanie (the INT machine) at QB, are coming into Denver for the Broncos homecoming game after a triumphant road tour. The fans will be deafening. Von will be rested. I predict a defensive breakout party.

Can you say momentum? I knew you could. ;D

SureShot
12-05-2011, 11:18 AM
Miami just humiliated the Faders and now the Fade is going into Lambeau Field in December. The Packers just won their squeaker of the year against the Giants. They will stomp Chokeland into a paste.

The Bears, with their porous Oline and Hanie (the INT machine) at QB, are coming into Denver for the Broncos homecoming game after a triumphant road tour. The fans will be deafening. Von will be rested. I predict a defensive breakout party.

Can you say momentum? I knew you could. ;D

The home crowd will be rocking for sure.:thumbs:

ScottXray
12-05-2011, 11:24 AM
Probably not. There are 4 AFC teams with 2 fewer losses than us right now, and all have better conference records. Unless 3 out of 4 of the following lose AT LEAST two more games, we can't get the #2 seed:

Pats
Texans
Steelers
Ravens

Well if we win out we will hand the Pats ONE, and I believe that the Texans are going to drop two ( just a gut feeling). Steelers and Ravens are in the same division so only one of them counts for a 1-4 seed ( probably ravens). I admit it would be a stretch for us to even win out... but all it would take would be for NE to lose to us and Miami the next week for us to grab the 3.

edog24
12-05-2011, 11:37 AM
A key game for us is that last game vs. Kansas City. We need to win it to go 4-2 in the division.
The rest of the way for both of us, how I see it:
Denver:
Chicago - W, Forte and Cutler out, yeah, our D should win this for us, 8-5
NE - L, Pats too much for us, 8-6
@Buffalo - A wildcard here, but I think we fight our way to a win barely, 9-6
KC - W, 10-6

Oakland:
@GB - L, I don't see anyway possible they could win this game, 7-6
Detroit - Could be a tough game for Oakland, but I think they pull off the win, 8-6
@KC - W, 9-7
San Diego - W, 10-6

Head to head tiebreaker: 1-1
Division: both 4-2
Conference games:
Denver - 8-4
Oakland - 7-5

Denver wins division. That KC game is going to be HUGE and we have to win it.

I would predict 10 wins would get both teams in. I would prefer us to win the division so we play a higher seed.

If it ended today it looks right now we would be playing the Steelers, ouch.

Drek
12-05-2011, 11:37 AM
If we win out we win the division.

If we drop one and Oakland wins out we need one loss from Jets/Cincy and 2 losses from Tennessee to take the wild card.

If we lose more than one just adjust the previous numbers up a game to find our playoff scenario.

We hold tie breakers over Oakland, NYJ, and Cincy right now. Tennessee has the tie breaker over us. So right now we control our own destiny in the division and only Tennessee can take away a wild card spot as long as we don't collapse.

enjolras
12-05-2011, 11:43 AM
Just to clarify: The Broncos do control their own destiny. If they win the next four the will own the games in common tie-breaker with the Raiders, no matter what the Raiders do.

If the Broncos go 3-1 and the loss is to any team BUT the Chiefs they would still own the tie-breaker (assuming the Raiders also lose 1 game).

Really it's hard to come up with a tie-breaker scenario the Broncos don't win due to games in common. Losing yesterday was a really big loss for the Raiders.

I fully expect the Raiders to drop the next two and the Broncos to split. Meaning they would only need to win against KC to win the division (the Buffalo game is irrelevant in that scenario).

BroncoMan4ever
12-05-2011, 11:51 AM
the way it was talked about yesterday on all the radio shows is that we hold the tie breaker over the Raiders and all we have to do is match their record at the end of the season and the division is ours. Denver controls its own destiny.

gyldenlove
12-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Tied with Oakland at 7-5. We have a better division record by 1 game and only 1 division game left. Oakland has 2 division games left so if we ended up with the same record, and the same amount of division wins. We have 1 more conference win and still have 3 conference games left while Oakland only has 2.

So, doesn't that mean we DO control our own destiny? If we win out and Oakland wins out, we would go to the playoffs. Is that correct?

Winning out guarantees us playoffs, we would win the AFC West on conference win tie breaker over the Raiders even if they win out. Losing 1 game as long as it is not to the Chiefs all but assures us playoffs, a 2nd round seed and home field.

Right now we hold tie breakers over the Jets and Bengals by virtue of having beaten them and we lose tie breaker to Tennessee by virtue of having lost to them, for the wild card spot. Tennessee has lost to Cincinati so it gets pretty hairy. I believe if the Jets, Broncos, Titans and Bengals all have the same record for the wild card spot, the order would be based on conference record as no team has swept the others and no team has lost to the others. Right now we sit at 6-3, Bengals at 6-4, Titans at 5-4 and Jets at 5-5. If we win 2 of our 3 conference games we can't lose that tie-breaker and the Jets can't win it, the Bengals and Titans would both have a shot at tying - if the Titans tie us for that tie breaker and the Bengals do not, the Titans will take the wild card, if the Bengals tie us and the Titans do not, we take the wild card. If it is a 3 way tie, we do not have 4 common opponents so that tie breaker falls out, then it goes to strength of victory.
We are well ahead in strength of victory (.434, titans .393, jets .390, bengals .337).

Shotgun Willie
12-05-2011, 12:01 PM
What's the over/under on the # of times people will say the same thing, different ways in this thread? :)

pokenation
12-05-2011, 12:19 PM
What's the over/under on the # of times people will say the same thing, different ways in this thread? :)

:rofl: pure awesomeness......

bronco militia
12-05-2011, 12:21 PM
What's the over/under on the # of times people will say the same thing, different ways in this thread? :)

-50 :approve:

houghtam
12-05-2011, 12:27 PM
Winning out guarantees us playoffs, we would win the AFC West on conference win tie breaker over the Raiders even if they win out. Losing 1 game as long as it is not to the Chiefs all but assures us playoffs, a 2nd round seed and home field.

Right now we hold tie breakers over the Jets and Bengals by virtue of having beaten them and we lose tie breaker to Tennessee by virtue of having lost to them, for the wild card spot. Tennessee has lost to Cincinati so it gets pretty hairy. I believe if the Jets, Broncos, Titans and Bengals all have the same record for the wild card spot, the order would be based on conference record as no team has swept the others and no team has lost to the others. Right now we sit at 6-3, Bengals at 6-4, Titans at 5-4 and Jets at 5-5. If we win 2 of our 3 conference games we can't lose that tie-breaker and the Jets can't win it, the Bengals and Titans would both have a shot at tying - if the Titans tie us for that tie breaker and the Bengals do not, the Titans will take the wild card, if the Bengals tie us and the Titans do not, we take the wild card. If it is a 3 way tie, we do not have 4 common opponents so that tie breaker falls out, then it goes to strength of victory.
We are well ahead in strength of victory (.434, titans .393, jets .390, bengals .337).

That's the key right there. To answer the OP, yes, the Broncos control their own destiny.

Now to avoid being another one of those people that Shotgun Willie's referring to, I present to you the ESPN playoff machine:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

There you can go week by week and enter your own results, which breaks down the playoff tiebreakers and tells you which seed every team will have.

ludo21
12-05-2011, 12:29 PM
yes

# 12 of ways to explain

Vine
12-05-2011, 03:42 PM
Don't you all just love it! Legitimate playoff talk for our favorite team in December!

Really, it has been a very sweet season, I am just in a fantabulous mood, just because of the fact that this type of thread is existing this late in the season.

55CrushEm
12-05-2011, 03:45 PM
If we win out we win the division.

If we drop one and Oakland wins out we need one loss from Jets/Cincy and 2 losses from Tennessee to take the wild card.

If we lose more than one just adjust the previous numbers up a game to find our playoff scenario.

We hold tie breakers over Oakland, NYJ, and Cincy right now. Tennessee has the tie breaker over us. So right now we control our own destiny in the division and only Tennessee can take away a wild card spot as long as we don't collapse.

Exactly. I skimmed the thread....but I think you're the first person to mention Tennessee. People keep saying we beat Cincy and the Jets...true. But Tennessee is 7-5 and we lost to them.

houghtam
12-05-2011, 05:05 PM
Exactly. I skimmed the thread....but I think you're the first person to mention Tennessee. People keep saying we beat Cincy and the Jets...true. But Tennessee is 7-5 and we lost to them.

This is true, but we have a game up on them in the conference record, and they still have to play New Orleans and at Houston. They've got a tougher road ahead of them than most of the teams in the playoff race.

Mouth
12-05-2011, 05:18 PM
You guys may laugh at me, but I think we beat the patriots. Winning out is definitely an option. That may be me drinking the tebow-aid, but historically NE doesn't play well in Denver, our D is prolly the best it has been in 10-20 years, and NE has quite possibly a worse D than Minnesota.

houghtam
12-05-2011, 05:28 PM
You guys may laugh at me, but I think we beat the patriots. Winning out is definitely an option. That may be me drinking the tebow-aid, but historically NE doesn't play well in Denver, our D is prolly the best it has been in 10-20 years, and NE has quite possibly a worse D than Minnesota.

I agree. In all honesty, I think our toughest game could end up being the Bills, depending on how their next few games go. They play the Chargers and the Dolphins, so it's possible that they could be fighting for their playoff lives in 3 weeks when we go in there to face them. Playing in Buffalo in December is going to be one hell of a tough task, although I think running the option in inclement weather could end up paying off.

Armchair Bronco
12-05-2011, 07:14 PM
I've always chuckled at the irony of the term "control your own destiny".

According to M-W.com, destiny is:

"a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency"

If the course is predetermined (by an irresistible power no less) then by definition it's not possible to "control" it. So, it's impossible to control your own destiny.

Broncos4tw
12-05-2011, 07:49 PM
the way it was talked about yesterday on all the radio shows is that we hold the tie breaker over the Raiders and all we have to do is match their record at the end of the season and the division is ours. Denver controls its own destiny.

No, that's not right.

We need to win out if able. If the Raiders win 3 of four (losing the Packers), and the Broncos win 3 as well (losing to the Pats), the Raiders are in, and the Broncos are OUT. By virtue of the fact that the Raiders have two more divisional games, and we only have one.

Plug it into the playoff machine at ESPN.. you'll see what I mean. We are not out of the woods yet. Even if we WIN the KC game, but we and the Raiders both win 3 out of 4, the Raiders are in, not the Broncos. We need to heavily root for two more Raider losses.

The flip side: if the Raiders AND the Broncos both win out, Raiders win the division, but we'd have a great shot at getting in as a wildcard regardless, at
11-5.

But.. oddly.. if the Raiders beat the two division opponents, and lose to Det and GB, and Denver beats Chi and KC, losing to the Bills and the Pats.. Denver is in, not the Raiders.

Armchair Bronco
12-05-2011, 07:55 PM
Raiders will get crushed by GB.

houghtam
12-05-2011, 09:30 PM
No, that's not right.

We need to win out if able. If the Raiders win 3 of four (losing the Packers), and the Broncos win 3 as well (losing to the Pats), the Raiders are in, and the Broncos are OUT. By virtue of the fact that the Raiders have two more divisional games, and we only have one.

Plug it into the playoff machine at ESPN.. you'll see what I mean. We are not out of the woods yet. Even if we WIN the KC game, but we and the Raiders both win 3 out of 4, the Raiders are in, not the Broncos. We need to heavily root for two more Raider losses.

The flip side: if the Raiders AND the Broncos both win out, Raiders win the division, but we'd have a great shot at getting in as a wildcard regardless, at
11-5.

But.. oddly.. if the Raiders beat the two division opponents, and lose to Det and GB, and Denver beats Chi and KC, losing to the Bills and the Pats.. Denver is in, not the Raiders.

How do you figure? The Raiders have 2 more conference losses than we do. If we both win out, they'll still have 2 more conference losses.

Broncos4tw
12-05-2011, 10:19 PM
How do you figure? The Raiders have 2 more conference losses than we do. If we both win out, they'll still have 2 more conference losses.

Doesn't go to conference.. division wins are first. They have 2 left. We'd be tied in that regard if that happens (if we beat the Chiefs). Best won-lost in common games comes next. Just plug the #'s into the playoff machine at ESPN. Unless the thing is broken.. that's how it is.

houghtam
12-05-2011, 10:53 PM
Doesn't go to conference.. division wins are first. They have 2 left. We'd be tied in that regard if that happens (if we beat the Chiefs). Best won-lost in common games comes next. Just plug the #'s into the playoff machine at ESPN. Unless the thing is broken.. that's how it is.

If Oakland wins out, their record vs. common opponents will be:

Buffalo - L
New York - W
New England - L
Minnesota - W
Chicago - W
Miami - L
Green Bay - W
Detroit - W

5-3

If Denver wins out, their record vs. common opponents will be:

Buffalo - W
New York - W
New England - W
Minnesota - W
Chicago - W
Miami - W
Green Bay - L
Detroit - L

6-2

Hamrob
12-06-2011, 12:09 AM
If we win out, we win the division
If we go 3-1 we will win the division (no way that OAK beats GB)
If we go 2-2, Oakland will need to lose to GB and one other

So, in my opinion........we have to win 3 of 4 to get in the playoffs. That's the truth. If we go 2-2 we are dependant on OAK losing to Det, K.C. or, SD. If we go 2-2 and the chargers win out (Buff, Balt, Det, Oak), then we are most likely out of it too.

So, we need to win 3 of 4 or hope that the Fade drops 2 and the Chuggers 1. I don't see K.C. winning more than 2 of 4.

That's why, we have to beat:

Chi (home)
Buff (away)
K.C. (home)

TheChamp24
12-06-2011, 07:54 AM
No, that's not right.

We need to win out if able. If the Raiders win 3 of four (losing the Packers), and the Broncos win 3 as well (losing to the Pats), the Raiders are in, and the Broncos are OUT. By virtue of the fact that the Raiders have two more divisional games, and we only have one.

Plug it into the playoff machine at ESPN.. you'll see what I mean. We are not out of the woods yet. Even if we WIN the KC game, but we and the Raiders both win 3 out of 4, the Raiders are in, not the Broncos. We need to heavily root for two more Raider losses.

The flip side: if the Raiders AND the Broncos both win out, Raiders win the division, but we'd have a great shot at getting in as a wildcard regardless, at
11-5.

But.. oddly.. if the Raiders beat the two division opponents, and lose to Det and GB, and Denver beats Chi and KC, losing to the Bills and the Pats.. Denver is in, not the Raiders.

Dude. If we and the Raiders both win out, we're division champs. I have no idea what you are smoking.
If we go 3-1, losing to the Pats, and the Raiders go 3-1, losing to the Packers, we're still division champs.

Common games:
Oakland:

Buffalo - L
New York - W
New England - L
Minnesota - W
Chicago - W
Miami - L
Green Bay - L
Detroit - W

Total: 4-4

Denver:

Buffalo - W
New York - W
New England - L
Minnesota - W
Chicago - W
Miami - W
Green Bay - L
Detroit - L

5-3

We win the common game tiebreaker.

55CrushEm
12-06-2011, 08:27 AM
Dude. If we and the Raiders both win out, we're division champs. I have no idea what you are smoking.
If we go 3-1, losing to the Pats, and the Raiders go 3-1, losing to the Packers, we're still division champs.

Common games:
Oakland:

Buffalo - L
New York - W
New England - L
Minnesota - W
Chicago - W
Miami - L
Green Bay - L
Detroit - W

Total: 4-4

Denver:

Buffalo - W
New York - W
New England - L
Minnesota - W
Chicago - W
Miami - W
Green Bay - L
Detroit - L

5-3

We win the common game tiebreaker.

Yup. And as a reminder to some......to break a tie within a division, you look at common opponents BEFORE you look at conference record (yes, there is overlap)....because you have more common games (14) than you do conference games (12).

To break a tie for teams NOT in the same division.....you look at conference record before the common opponents....because non-division teams will have fewer common opponents than conference games.

dictionary
12-06-2011, 09:31 AM
LOL at some of you stating the Raiders will win out. Just stop. If we win out, we are 11-5 and I don't see how we don't make the playoffs with our tiebreaker against the Jets. We should be good with one more loss.

Come on, Raiders winning out! Puhleeeeeaze.

Which reminds me...where did all the Faiders/Queefs fans go as of late?!

Shotgun Willie
12-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Which reminds me...where did all the Faiders/Queefs fans go as of late?!

Weekend furlough is over.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2011, 10:17 AM
Don't you all just love it! Legitimate playoff talk for our favorite team in December!

Really, it has been a very sweet season, I am just in a fantabulous mood, just because of the fact that this type of thread is existing this late in the season.

Woooooooo Horsey! We had this crazy talk with Frown Cannon at the helm in 2008. Buuuuut, I do think that 3 out of 4 will be good enough. Chargers winning last night gets their bandwagon fans hoping again and maybe they tie the Raiders but no way we are going 2008 with this QB and our ST and defense. Oh, and our coach.