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SoCalBronco
12-04-2011, 02:33 PM
10/15 202 yards 13.5 yards per attempt 2 TD 0 INT 149.3 Rating (We need TDmvp to put up his Merril Hoge goattaint pic)

What's scary is that if Decker didnt drop that post throw and DT dragged his foot, it would have been 13/15 (over 80%) for closer to 250 yards. 250 yards on 15 attempts is almost impossible.

I'm so proud of him and the work he has put in to improve as a passer. He CONSISTENTLY made accurate throws down the field for big plays. This game represents susbtantial improvement in the passing game. One thing I mentioned in some earlier podcasts was that I wanted to see more PA from teh Gun (not under center), ala Oregon/Chip Kelly, and we finally put in the quick PA game from the Gun, not a dropback PA, but the fake on the option and the IMMEDIATE throw, on a simple concept, a hi-lo on the LB's, if they bite on the gun option fake, throw it over their head, if not, throw underneath (we hit Decker and another WR on this and Decker dropped another on the post). Puts tremendous stress on LBs in coverage. Also good to see Tim taking advantage of Bey Bey finding the squirrel hole between the CB and FS in cloud coverage repeatedly. You can tell he put in ALOT of work and he had an almost flawless performance as an actual passer today. The throw on 3rd down vs. the blitz that Bey Bey almost caught for a TD was also great.

I'm very proud of you, Tim. You are starting to develop as a passer. Keep silencing your critics and keep working hard. It is paying off!

GB2.

Inkana7
12-04-2011, 02:34 PM
Yeah man he was looking good today. He's gotten more accurate and poised in the pocket every game.

Man-Goblin
12-04-2011, 02:35 PM
Redicules

Dr. Broncenstein
12-04-2011, 02:36 PM
There should be a named passing stat for touchdown throw / stiff arm combinations.

Jay3
12-04-2011, 02:40 PM
I'm starting to come around on the kid.

frerottenextelway
12-04-2011, 02:41 PM
He made the drudgereport again

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 02:43 PM
In his 10th start at that. He is doing great. Especially seeing as how this offense is called with one hand tied behind its back.

I got knocked out of the playoffs in fantasy today due to forte injury...and I could care less than YOU about it.

1St place!!

lolcopter
12-04-2011, 02:43 PM
Accuracy has been much improved the last two weeks. Even on that missed pass to DT late he showed good anticipation with where the ball was going... And when he scrambled and DT took that pass to the endzone... That's what I've been waiting to see! Very nice to see DT step up today

wolf754life
12-04-2011, 02:43 PM
nice deep throws on the outside when the vikes where taking away the deep middle....

play action is a strong part of this offense evolving! They need to keep attacking vertically in the passing game!

Hercules Rockefeller
12-04-2011, 02:44 PM
****ing awesome

He played great today

DenverBroncosJM
12-04-2011, 02:44 PM
I'm starting to come around on the kid.

Really? Was it being in first place? Or was it the 5 in a row? Or maybe it was the 4th qtr comebacks? Or was it because he completed more passes today? Either way you sound like an idiot I can assure you no one cares if your on board or not.

Jay3
12-04-2011, 02:45 PM
Accuracy has been much improved the last two weeks. Even on that missed pass to DT late he showed good anticipation with where the ball was going...

Ironically, that throw might have been the biggest stride Tebow took today, in terms of his growth. He picked up the blitz presnap, called something, knew where to go if he saw the blitz, and put it where only his receiver had a play.

And frankly, D.T. kind of stopped on the ball. If he keeps going the whole route, he might be under it in a position to shield the defender and catch it.

Gort
12-04-2011, 02:45 PM
the talking heads on the NFL shows will never give him credit. their ego is too wrapped up in their initial opinions and they cannot change their minds. i give credit to Marino. he has changed his mind. Sharpe may be coming around. Esiason will not change his mind. as a fellow Terp, i hate to see him being so obstinate.

GreatBronco16
12-04-2011, 02:45 PM
Loved how Tebow checked out of the play when he saw everyone coming up to the line. I was screaming for him to pass it knowing that someone was going to be open. Man, if DT could have hung onto that ball.


But haters will still hate.

Jay3
12-04-2011, 02:47 PM
the talking heads on the NFL shows will never give him credit. their ego is too wrapped up in their initial opinions and they cannot change their minds. i give credit to Marino. he has changed his mind. Sharpe may be coming around. Esiason will not change his mind. as a fellow Terp, i hate to see him being so obstinate.

It shouldn't be so hard -- there's plenty of room in the "I don't know if he can win a Super Bowl, but this nonsense that he doesn't belong in the league was apparently always wrong. We need to start approaching Tebow the same way we approach Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Bradford, McCoy, etc."

They all deserve to play it out on the field.

strafen
12-04-2011, 02:49 PM
Hopefully this will make trhe coaching stuff add more passing plays.

Photo Wire


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Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:49 PM
To be fair, we saw this in the Houston game last year. It's just taken him time to adjust to this conservative offense. All the same, it's awesome to see him put together a great game as a passer so Elway can stop going on about it.

MacGruder
12-04-2011, 02:49 PM
the talking heads on the NFL shows will never give him credit. their ego is too wrapped up in their initial opinions and they cannot change their minds. i give credit to Marino. he has changed his mind. Sharpe may be coming around. Esiason will not change his mind. as a fellow Terp, i hate to see him being so obstinate.

What did Marino say?

BroncoBen
12-04-2011, 02:50 PM
Add me to the list, Tewbow made some huge strides today..looked like a quarterback that can make the throws. Awesome job..Go Broncos !

SoCalBronco
12-04-2011, 02:50 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time before Guile's Theme to Tebow highlights would show up on Youtube!

AWESOME.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/v9VR9AOPeJc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tebow wins games.....for America.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:52 PM
Ironically, that throw might have been the biggest stride Tebow took today, in terms of his growth. He picked up the blitz presnap, called something, knew where to go if he saw the blitz, and put it where only his receiver had a play.

And frankly, D.T. kind of stopped on the ball. If he keeps going the whole route, he might be under it in a position to shield the defender and catch it.

If Tebow and DT can develop a repoire and DT continues to put out a real effort, that combo is going to destroy people. That play is a TD in a year or two (assuming DT keeps it up). Period.

TDmvp
12-04-2011, 02:53 PM
And you know who's head was blowing up in the 4th Q in some studio , alone and bitter ...

This guy !!! ...
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4622/hogeluvemgoattaint.jpg
I'm just going to keep over using that as long as we keep over achieving...
:yayaya:

i4jelway7
12-04-2011, 02:54 PM
very much improved, proving me wrong.. I'll eat my crow gladly

McDman
12-04-2011, 02:54 PM
He is definitely making big strides every game. If he does this against a team that isn't starting PS players then I'm sold.

OrangeSe7en
12-04-2011, 02:56 PM
We won that game because of Tebow's passing. It certainly wasn't the defense. It's also worth pointing out that this game shows how important Von is to the defense and why he should really get serious consideration for defensive MVP. But back to Tebow. It's starting to slow down for him. When the game dictates that he needs to throw, you often see him find a rhythm. And that stiff arm pass to Thomas was a thing of beauty.

When I'm watching these games, I'm feeling that we have a chance because we have Tebow and the other team doesn't. I just feel like today they took the handcuffs off finally. Im not really as sure that he's become better but merely that he was able to get in the flow of the game and find a rhythm.

Vegas_Bronco
12-04-2011, 02:57 PM
DT is going to have to man up...we need this from him every week.....Royal hope you're doing okay man.

Gort
12-04-2011, 02:57 PM
It shouldn't be so hard -- there's plenty of room in the "I don't know if he can win a Super Bowl, but this nonsense that he doesn't belong in the league was apparently always wrong. We need to start approaching Tebow the same way we approach Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Bradford, McCoy, etc."

They all deserve to play it out on the field.

Terry "I Can't Spell Cat" Bradshaw laughed on the pregame show when asked if Tebow was a QB. said Tebow was a fullback playing QB. both he and Howie "Dickface" Long immediately agreed with each other that the Broncos would draft a QB this next draft.

Br0nc0Buster
12-04-2011, 02:58 PM
played and threw well today

if only we had a coordinator who would call pass plays

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 02:59 PM
The potential has always been there. It was obvious from TC in 2010. It was just a matter of experience and refinement.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 03:00 PM
Terry "I Can't Spell Cat" Bradshaw laughed on the pregame show when asked if Tebow was a QB. said Tebow was a fullback playing QB. both he and Howie "Dickface" Long immediately agreed with each other that the Broncos would draft a QB this next draft.

Oops!

I think that Teebs will be impossible to supplant after this game.

Tebow was literally the best player on the field...he always came up with the biggest play. He just refuses to lose and will beat you however he has to. A player like that is invaluable.

SureShot
12-04-2011, 03:00 PM
Tebow diced up the Vikings like a tyrell crack rock.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 03:00 PM
The potential has always been there. It was obvious from TC in 2010. It was just a matter of experience and refinement.

Yep.

And like Woody Paige said earlier this season...sometimes the fans are right.

ScottXray
12-04-2011, 03:01 PM
Accuracy has been much improved the last two weeks. Even on that missed pass to DT late he showed good anticipation with where the ball was going... And when he scrambled and DT took that pass to the endzone... That's what I've been waiting to see! Very nice to see DT step up today

That pass to DT was perfect. i noticed on the replay that DT did a stutter and held up a bit. If he hadn't it would have been an easy TD .

Can't throw the Ball....my A**.

:thumbs:

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 03:02 PM
That pass to DT was perfect. i noticed on the replay that DT did a stutter and held up a bit. If he hadn't it would have been an easy TD .

Can't throw the Ball....my A**.


He put that ball there while getting smacked in the pocket.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-04-2011, 03:03 PM
Can't say that I can recall off hand another play where the quarterback stiff-arms a defender to prevent a sack, then throws a touchdown pass on the same play.

barryr
12-04-2011, 03:03 PM
Tebow is definitely improving as a passer, and I would rather the Broncos do what they are doing with Tebow since that is also helping him not make mistakes. Sometimes it is frustrating watching this offense, but many teams just let their young QB's throw often, which often leads to turnovers and bad habits, such as throwing off the back foot even when not needing to do that since getting hit a lot and Ponder took many hits just today.

Kid A
12-04-2011, 03:03 PM
Yep.

And like Woody Paige said earlier this season...sometimes the fans are right.

Fans remembered he looked like a completely decent young passer in his preseason and late season starts the last couple years. Put a young QB behind a young line with young WRs in a new staff and yeah it was rough. But, look at that, give him a few games to settle and what do you know?!

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:04 PM
Terry "I Can't Spell Cat" Bradshaw laughed on the pregame show when asked if Tebow was a QB. said Tebow was a fullback playing QB. both he and Howie "Dickface" Long immediately agreed with each other that the Broncos would draft a QB this next draft.

Was Bradshaw a QB? I've never seen much evidence of it personally...

Mile High Mojoe
12-04-2011, 03:05 PM
We won that game because of Tebow's passing. It certainly wasn't the defense. It's also worth pointing out that this game shows how important Von is to the defense and why he should really get serious consideration for defensive MVP. But back to Tebow. It's starting to slow down for him. When the game dictates that he needs to throw, you often see him find a rhythm. And that stiff arm pass to Thomas was a thing of beauty.

When I'm watching these games, I'm feeling that we have a chance because we have Tebow and the other team doesn't. I just feel like today they took the handcuffs off finally. Im not really as sure that he's become better but merely that he was able to get in the flow of the game and find a rhythm.

This...

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:05 PM
Can't say that I can recall off hand another play where the quarterback stiff-arms a defender to prevent a sack, then throws a touchdown pass on the same play.

I can't think of too many QB stiff-arms in general...

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 03:07 PM
Fans remembered he looked like a completely decent young passer in his preseason and late season starts the last couple years. Put a young QB behind a young line with young WRs in a new staff and yeah it was rough. But, look at that, give him a few games to settle and what do you know?!

Yep...just like most Broncos fans thought.

He has generally caught up to speed with the NFL game. Its all upward from here.

barryr
12-04-2011, 03:08 PM
What some people do not get is once the Broncos implement more plays in the passing game, that will make the Broncos difficult to prepare for since will will have the various plays in the zone read, your typical handoffs, and your typical passes. You just can't prepare sufficiently for everything since also changing formations will also be a factor. In fact, with a training camp, this offense could develop into one of the more complex and hardest to prepare for since if all else fails, if the pass play doesn't develop, you also have to worry about Tebow taking off.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 03:09 PM
That pass to DT was perfect. i noticed on the replay that DT did a stutter and held up a bit. If he hadn't it would have been an easy TD .

Can't throw the Ball....my A**.

:thumbs:

Yep, he slowed up on the corner fade vs an all out blitz giving him man to man outside.

That's DT in nutshell. Trust me.

txtebow
12-04-2011, 03:10 PM
indeed.

Turd_Ferguson
12-04-2011, 03:18 PM
Tebow is getting better by leaps and bounds. I have never seen a Quarterback that looked as terrible as he did his first few starts. This looks like a different guy. Not only that but today he didn't carry the ball 20 times, which showed me he can play a game without having to run all the time, which means he is less likely to get injured... I may have been wrong about Tebow but his super fans that called out DT, the coaching staff, and the rest of the offense can still go ahead and suck balls.

lolcopter
12-04-2011, 03:22 PM
. I may have been wrong about Tebow but his super fans that called out DT, the coaching staff, and the rest of the offense can still go ahead and suck balls.

Super fans or not this is the most action DT has had since the dolphins game. The only thing he's done the past few games is miss blocks. Hopefully he can keep up the consistency because he and decker would make a good combo imo

errand
12-04-2011, 03:29 PM
played and threw well today

if only we had a coordinator who would call pass plays

so who called those pass plays :kiddingme ?

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 03:29 PM
DT woulda caught that first pass and kept the drive alive, if he would learn to get his feet down and maybe fall out of bounds. I was calling for his ass to meet pine but I'm glad the coaching staff didn't hear or listen to me.

If we can get DT and ED (aka Easy Ed wannabe) going at the same time, look out.

This has got to mind **** defenses moving forward.

It's too bad that Chicago is banged up, because if (WHEN!) Denver beats them, it'll still be a sad sack team that Tebow beats.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 03:32 PM
Can't say that I can recall off hand another play where the quarterback stiff-arms a defender to prevent a sack, then throws a touchdown pass on the same play.

Tebow absolutely scared the **** out of the ref on the two-point conversion. He ran right over the safety.

Which leads me to question why they don't go for two more often?

Any statistics on that with a Tebow lead Broncos team?

ScottXray
12-04-2011, 03:32 PM
Yep, he slowed up on the corner fade vs an all out blitz giving him man to man outside.

That's DT in nutshell. Trust me.

It was a mistake by a young player that is finally starting to come around. DT came up big for us today, and that would have been a third TD catch ( he still got 2), so I'm not ragging on him. But Tebow threw that ball EXACTLY where it should have gone, against an all out blitz, which was the point I was trying to make.

This kid can Throw, and maybe it finally took a bad defensive performance for our coordinators to finally unleash him.

The next two games we are also facing great run defenses and poor pass defenses. Without Forte we should be favored next week ( Is that the FIRST time?), and they need to put a little space between the Raiduhs ( at GB) and us.

We haven't won anything yet, but it is looking UP.

jsco70
12-04-2011, 03:34 PM
10/15 202 yards 13.5 yards per attempt 2 TD 0 INT 149.3 Rating (We need TDmvp to put up his Merril Hoge goattaint pic)

What's scary is that if Decker didnt drop that post throw and DT dragged his foot, it would have been 13/15 (over 80%) for closer to 250 yards. 250 yards on 15 attempts is almost impossible.

I'm so proud of him and the work he has put in to improve as a passer. He CONSISTENTLY made accurate throws down the field for big plays. This game represents susbtantial improvement in the passing game. One thing I mentioned in some earlier podcasts was that I wanted to see more PA from teh Gun (not under center), ala Oregon/Chip Kelly, and we finally put in the quick PA game from the Gun, not a dropback PA, but the fake on the option and the IMMEDIATE throw, on a simple concept, a hi-lo on the LB's, if they bite on the gun option fake, throw it over their head, if not, throw underneath (we hit Decker and another WR on this and Decker dropped another on the post). Puts tremendous stress on LBs in coverage. Also good to see Tim taking advantage of Bey Bey finding the squirrel hole between the CB and FS in cloud coverage repeatedly. You can tell he put in ALOT of work and he had an almost flawless performance as an actual passer today. The throw on 3rd down vs. the blitz that Bey Bey almost caught for a TD was also great.

I'm very proud of you, Tim. You are starting to develop as a passer. Keep silencing your critics and keep working hard. It is paying off!

GB2.

Great post. However, I'm surprised so many people doubted the guy would improve. His work ethic and intangibles are legendary. He's only going to get better and better. It's a great time to be a Bronco fan!

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Tebow absolutely scared the **** out of the ref on the two-point conversion. He ran right over the safety.

Which leads me to question why they don't go for two more often?

Any statistics on that with a Tebow lead Broncos team?

Tebow is so clutch that its hard to imagine him being stopped on those plays.

Pick Six
12-04-2011, 03:34 PM
I like that he's not turning the ball over...

Orange4Life
12-04-2011, 03:36 PM
What did Marino say?

The douche bag cowher was going on about how we still liked the fade to win the division. Shannon said bull **** I like the Broncos. Then Marino jumped in and said, I'm a believer the kid is doing it how he does it and said Denver would win the division.

barryr
12-04-2011, 03:38 PM
The douche bag cowher was going on about how we still liked the fade to win the division. Shannon said bull **** I like the Broncos. Then Marino jumped in and said, I'm a believer the kid is doing it how he does it and said Denver would win the division.

Esiason is one that will not want to give Tebow credit, called him Peyton Hills at QB last week and I think jealous of Tebow since he can move and make plays while Esiason was totally dependent on everyone else as a QB since he had even less mobility than Dan Marino.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:39 PM
I like that he's not turning the ball over...

10 to 1 TD/Int ratio. That's better than Aaron Rodgers for ****'s sake!

Orange4Life
12-04-2011, 03:40 PM
Esiason is one that will not want to give Tebow credit, called him Peyton Hills at QB last week and I think jealous of Tebow since he can move and make plays while Esiason was totally dependent on everyone else as a QB since he had even less mobility than Dan Marino.

Yes esiason is a bitch. **** him

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:41 PM
If these guys want to keep making themselves look retarded with the Tebow hate, let them. It's getting hilarious at this point.

Archer81
12-04-2011, 03:41 PM
I got an inkling that the "who is the Broncos QBOTF" has been answered in Dove Valley.

:Broncos:

pikkiwoki
12-04-2011, 03:42 PM
one word: work ethic

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:44 PM
I got an inkling that the "who is the Broncos QBOTF" has been answered in Dove Valley.

:Broncos:

If they actually like winning and want the fans to not hate them, I would certainly hope so...

Archer81
12-04-2011, 03:44 PM
one word: work ethic


Srsly?


:Broncos:

pikkiwoki
12-04-2011, 03:46 PM
Srsly?


:Broncos:


srs!

Archer81
12-04-2011, 03:46 PM
If they actually like winning and want the fans to not hate them, I would certainly hope so...


People will hate the front office for something at some point, but to avoid an iceberg of fan discontent would be a wise move, especially when its pretty obvious what the right answer is.


:Broncos:

pikkiwoki
12-04-2011, 03:47 PM
This guy,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QjxzYtnuI5w/TtPVIWjiK9I/AAAAAAAAABs/lTEoFQ6Gu2o/s1600/tebow+fan.gif


he knew something, didn't he?


:giggle:

24champ
12-04-2011, 03:49 PM
His windup is getting shorter. They showed the windup from the Raiders game a few weeks back and compared it to Vikes game windup. It shortened up a little bit, allowing Tebow to release the ball quicker.

BabyTO
12-04-2011, 03:51 PM
too bad DT dropped the 3rd touchdown pass

Jay3
12-04-2011, 03:56 PM
Tebow is getting better by leaps and bounds. I have never seen a Quarterback that looked as terrible as he did his first few starts.

It happens a LOT. Many, many times quarterbacks have very rough outings in this league to learn the ropes. And we still don't know if McCoy is even an average play-caller. There are so many unknowns.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-04-2011, 03:58 PM
too bad DT dropped the 3rd touchdown pass

Tough crowd.

That was a tough play, good play by the defender.

Rohirrim
12-04-2011, 03:58 PM
Holding the reins tight on Tebow has worked out extremely well. They're just not allowing him to to go where he could throw INTs and get discouraged. Every time he stretches the envelope and shows he's ready, they add something into the playbook. Today, he took pretty much the whole first half out of the shotgun, giving him some room and an easier look at the defense. Then, in the second half, he spent much more time taking the snap under center. On the fifth possession, he even did a perfect three step drop and fired a timing curl up the middle to Royal for a first down. There looked to be more crossing routes in the gameplan today as well. It also seems to me that Tebow and his receivers are starting to get much more in tune with every game. Like I said during the game, it's got to be tough for the receivers to come in with no camp, then lose the QB you're used to after five games, and switch to a Lefty. But it's definitely coming together. With the way Tebow is going, I expect the Broncos to be using most of the route tree going into the playoffs and Tebow's recognition getting tighter and tighter. If I were to guess at where the coaches are coming from, I would guess they are pleasantly surprised at how fast Tebow is coming along. Not to mention, he just keeps winning. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 03:58 PM
It happens a LOT. Many, many times quarterbacks have very rough outings in this league to learn the ropes. And we still don't know if McCoy is even an average play-caller. There are so many unknowns.

Yep. Anyone ever heard of John Elway?

Rohirrim
12-04-2011, 03:59 PM
too bad DT dropped the 3rd touchdown pass

Ha! Dropped?

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 04:02 PM
People will hate the front office for something at some point, but to avoid an iceberg of fan discontent would be a wise move, especially when its pretty obvious what the right answer is.



:Broncos:

If they commit to Tebow, it's a whole new draft for them. Very exciting and special, too.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 04:03 PM
Tebow is getting better by leaps and bounds. I have never seen a Quarterback that looked as terrible as he did his first few starts. This looks like a different guy. Not only that but today he didn't carry the ball 20 times, which showed me he can play a game without having to run all the time, which means he is less likely to get injured... I may have been wrong about Tebow but his super fans that called out DT, the coaching staff, and the rest of the offense can still go ahead and suck balls.


You have never seen a rookie QB look bad in his first few starts? i find that hard to believe.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 04:05 PM
Ha! Dropped?

He ran a crappy route thats for sure, if the light ever goes on, he could be a beast, but he isnt, today he made a big play on a broken play, and caught 3 fades wide open. Yay!

elsid13
12-04-2011, 04:05 PM
DT woulda caught that first pass and kept the drive alive, if he would learn to get his feet down and maybe fall out of bounds. I was calling for his ass to meet pine but I'm glad the coaching staff didn't hear or listen to me.

If we can get DT and ED (aka Easy Ed wannabe) going at the same time, look out.

This has got to mind **** defenses moving forward.

It's too bad that Chicago is banged up, because if (WHEN!) Denver beats them, it'll still be a sad sack team that Tebow beats.


You do realize that was physical impossible for DT to bend his left foot backwards right?

Rohirrim
12-04-2011, 04:08 PM
He ran a crappy route thats for sure, if the light ever goes on, he could be a beast, but he isnt, today he made a big play on a broken play, and caught 3 fades wide open. Yay!

I thought he ran a fine route, the DB was playing him really tight, and he still had a shot at a ball that was slightly long. A fingertips ball is not a drop.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 04:11 PM
I thought he ran a fine route, the DB was playing him really tight, and he still had a shot at a ball that was slightly long. A fingertips ball is not a drop.

Indeed. It was nice pass and a nice attempt at a catch. Sometimes they just don't go your way. Nothing really to criticize on either player on that play, but I bet that is a TD in a year or two when they have better chemistry going on.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 04:14 PM
Indeed. It was nice pass and a nice attempt at a catch. Sometimes they just don't go your way. Nothing really to criticize on either player on that play, but I bet that is a TD in a year or two when they have better chemistry going on.

Watch the route. You win on fades in first 4 steps vs man cov where you are going deep over the top. He stuttered on the route, making it finger tip. Should have been there already. If you look and are consciius of blitz as Tebow audibles, you gotta go HAM, he went hotdog.

txtebow
12-04-2011, 04:19 PM
Watch the route. You win on fades in first 4 steps vs man cov where you are going deep over the top. He stuttered on the route, making it finger tip. Should have been there already. If you look and are consciius of blitz as Tebow audibles, you gotta go HAM, he went hotdog.

yeah but that DB was close enough to get his arm on DT's which ultimately led to the drop. Still have to be encouraged that when teams roll coverage to Decker DT can be counted on to hurt them with chunks of yards.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 04:22 PM
Watch the route. You win on fades in first 4 steps vs man cov where you are going deep over the top. He stuttered on the route, making it finger tip. Should have been there already. If you look and are consciius of blitz as Tebow audibles, you gotta go HAM, he went hotdog.

Dude, stop nitpicking...

SonOfLe-loLang
12-04-2011, 04:26 PM
Well, Cris Carter is already not giving Tebow much credit!

Blart
12-04-2011, 04:29 PM
What a wonderful start to my day, Tebow is an exciting player. Thank you Broncos!

ScottXray
12-04-2011, 04:30 PM
I thought he ran a fine route, the DB was playing him really tight, and he still had a shot at a ball that was slightly long. A fingertips ball is not a drop.

The ball was long because the receiver held up for a bit on his route. It was very clear on the replay. Without that hesitation that ball would hve been right in his hands IN the end zone.
DT made some good plays and went Monster on the 41 yard catch and run, plus the other TD. But He screwed that one up.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 04:31 PM
We won that game because of Tebow's passing. It certainly wasn't the defense.

The defense forced three turnovers; I believe all led to scores, and they gave the offense great field posseion on those turnovers. It was a team win just like when the defense carried the offense until the final drives of those games the Broncos won earlier.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 04:32 PM
The ball was long because the receiver held up for a bit on his route. It was very clear on the replay. Without that hesitation that ball would hve been right in his hands IN the end zone.
DT made some good plays and went Monster on the 41 yard catch and run, plus the other TD. But He screwed that one up.

The problem is that you are assuming that wasn't what he was supposed to do. Not sure how anyone outside the coaching staff and players could know that.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 04:35 PM
Can't say that I can recall off hand another play where the quarterback stiff-arms a defender to prevent a sack, then throws a touchdown pass on the same play.

Been watching the broncos long? Elway has done it numerous times. that in itself speaks well for tebow I guess. Looks like denver has found their franchise QB.

Turd_Ferguson
12-04-2011, 04:35 PM
You have never seen a rookie QB look bad in his first few starts? i find that hard to believe.

You actually have a copy of what i said above what you claim i said, and didn't get it right. I said i have never seen a quarterback look that bad in his first couple games.

He was absolutely horrible, and now today after a few weeks he looked pretty damn good. I have never seen that. Now epicfail keeps saying Elway was that bad, but Elway always had a tight spiral and a huge arm, even if he didnt have accuracy. Every thing about Tebow throwing the ball in the first to starts this year looked like crap, and then suddenly he does what he did today and looked good. Its crazy, I LOVE it, but its crazy.

Edit: he looked pretty good last week too, but this week was his coming out party as far as im concerned.

OrangeSe7en
12-04-2011, 04:37 PM
The defense forced three turnovers; I believe all led to scores, and they gave the offense great field posseion on those turnovers. It was a team win just like when the defense carried the offense until the final drives of those games the Broncos won earlier.

They also gave up almost 400 yards passing to a rookie QB and faltered numerous times down the stretch.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 04:37 PM
This guy,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QjxzYtnuI5w/TtPVIWjiK9I/AAAAAAAAABs/lTEoFQ6Gu2o/s1600/tebow+fan.gif


he knew something, didn't he?


:giggle:

1st game of the year. Impressive.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 04:39 PM
They also gave up almost 400 yards passing to a rookie QB and faltered numerous times down the stretch.

Ok, and the Broncos' offense scored zero points in the first half turned the ball over two times and only recorded one first down. Like I said it was a team win.

Popps
12-04-2011, 04:40 PM
Great thread.

Again, to me... he looks a little more like he did last year as a passer. Just out there throwing the ball, less stiff, etc. But, he really didn't throw many bad balls today. He's also taking extreme caution with where he's putting it. Seems to know just when to take chances. He's still got a ways to go, but very encouraging. I'm actually sold on him as our QB for 2012 at this point. I know some aren't yet, and some have been... but I think we've seen enough to wait at least one more year to draft a QB high.

Turd_Ferguson
12-04-2011, 04:40 PM
He ran a crappy route thats for sure, if the light ever goes on, he could be a beast, but he isnt, today he made a big play on a broken play, and caught 3 fades wide open. Yay!

So when randy moss caught 70 yard touchdowns wide open it was nothing special. If Tebow threw 5 TDs but they were all wide open thats not impressive? Devin Hester runs back three kicks and isn't touched so he isn't doing anything to get excited about?

ScottXray
12-04-2011, 04:41 PM
Ok, and the Broncos' offense scored zero points in the first half turned the ball over two times and only recorded one first down. Like I said it was a team win.

Definitely was a first half to forget. The offense was just out of sync. Tebow actually didn't play badly, but nothing could get going. Defense definitely kept them in the game then , especially with the pick 6.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 04:43 PM
You actually have a copy of what i said above what you claim i said, and didn't get it right. I said i have never seen a quarterback look that bad in his first couple games.

He was absolutely horrible, and now today after a few weeks he looked pretty damn good. I have never seen that. Now epicfail keeps saying Elway was that bad, but Elway always had a tight spiral and a huge arm, even if he didnt have accuracy. Every thing about Tebow throwing the ball in the first to starts this year looked like crap, and then suddenly he does what he did today and looked good. Its crazy, I LOVE it, but its crazy.

Edit: he looked pretty good last week too, but this week was his coming out party as far as im concerned.


Well in most english transactions it would mean you haven't seen a QB play that badly ever and i said i find that hard to believe ( what am i missing here?)

Turd_Ferguson
12-04-2011, 04:45 PM
The defense forced three turnovers; I believe all led to scores, and they gave the offense great field posseion on those turnovers. It was a team win just like when the defense carried the offense until the final drives of those games the Broncos won earlier.

In past weeks the offense hasn't taken advantage of those turnovers... This week Tebow was able to throw well, but defense did their part too team win...

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 04:48 PM
Definitely was a first half to forget. The offense was just out of sync. Tebow actually didn't play badly, but nothing could get going. Defense definitely kept them in the game then , especially with the pick 6.

Fox made a comment after the game, which I thought was pretty telling. Every game denver goes into they have no idea how the defense is going to play option/spread offense they run so it is very hard for the offense to prepare. When they go to halftime they make the adjustments to what the defense is doing and they play better in the second half. This gives me hope that the Broncos' offense will play better the second time they face an opponent, makes sense.

Watch out KC!!!!

OrangeSe7en
12-04-2011, 04:51 PM
Ok, and the Broncos' offense scored zero points in the first half turned the ball over two times and only recorded one first down. Like I said it was a team win.

Except it's not like you said. The Broncos had to put up 35 points to win against a rookie QB and a team that didnt even have their star player.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 04:56 PM
he looked pretty good last week too, but this week was his coming out party as far as im concerned.

Someone missed the Houston game last year apparently...

Turd_Ferguson
12-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Well in most english transactions it would mean you haven't seen a QB play that badly ever and i said i find that hard to believe ( what am i missing here?)

You said

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You have never seen a rookie QB look bad in his first few starts? i find that hard to believe.

I have seen Rookies play bad, most rookies do. I have not seen a second year guy like Tebow play as bad as he did and then manage to come back a few weeks later and look as good as he did today. The way you said it made it sound as if Tebow had a couple run of the mill off games in his first ever game experience. IMO he looked absolutely terrible in Miami and Detroit and then only threw 8 passes in the next game. Plus he is not a rookie, this is his second year in the NFL.

Now he looks more like what i had hoped he would at the beginning of the year.... It was my hope he could be like Rothlisberger when he was a rookie, after today i think he is getting closer to that, plus he is ten times the athlete as rothlisberger so he can scramble for big yards.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Except it's not like you said. The Broncos had to put up 35 points to win against a rookie QB and a team that didnt even have their star player.

WTH... is anyone reading the posts around here?

Originally, I stated that the offense was not Soley responsible for the victory and the defense did their part too. I stated it was a team win!

I did not say the defense played well and the offense played horrible I said that it was a team win with both sides contributing....geeez wizz

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 04:59 PM
In past weeks the offense hasn't taken advantage of those turnovers... This week Tebow was able to throw well, but defense did their part too team win...

Oh no. You don't get to say that we were winning in spite of Tebow in earlier games, and then give credit to the defense for this one. That's ridiculous.

fontaine
12-04-2011, 05:00 PM
I've been saying this for a while now. When he started his anticipation was off, took too long in the pocket and some of his throws weren't even in the same zip code as the target.

But over the last few weeks (really since the raider game) he's made decisions quicker, his footwork looks a lot better and he's just passing a lot smoother.

I expect him to really made big strides in the offseason where he can spend time to really work on his flaws and continue to get better.

But we really need to get a pass catching TE here. Too many of his throws are sideline passes because we have no real threat over the middle.

MacGruder
12-04-2011, 05:03 PM
You actually have a copy of what i said above what you claim i said, and didn't get it right. I said i have never seen a quarterback look that bad in his first couple games.

He was absolutely horrible, and now today after a few weeks he looked pretty damn good. I have never seen that. Now epicfail keeps saying Elway was that bad, but Elway always had a tight spiral and a huge arm, even if he didnt have accuracy. Every thing about Tebow throwing the ball in the first to starts this year looked like crap, and then suddenly he does what he did today and looked good. Its crazy, I LOVE it, but its crazy.

Edit: he looked pretty good last week too, but this week was his coming out party as far as im concerned.

Not to be a smart ass and sound like I am saying "I told you so" but if you knew Tebow's game from college and everything he's been through it isn't crazy at all.

This is the bottom line.. what everyone needs to understand.. Tebow DOMINATED his whole football career just on immense raw talent, unbelievable athletic ability and Freakish intangibles. The only thing he lacked was polished fundamentals.

Overhauling all his fundamentals is what has made him LOOK really bad at times in the NFL. But if you had seen what Tebow was capable of you would know that it's just a matter of time and support from his coaches and he will be great. But great coaching is imperative.. because bad coaching can screw him up more than help him.

I think if they had just left all his fundamentals alone he would have looked much much better than he has all this time. But changing his fundamentals will make him better in the long run.

BroncoMan4ever
12-04-2011, 05:07 PM
sadly, you all do realize that in St Louis, McDaniels is smiling like a little troll mother****er right now after a day in which his QB draft pick has his best game as a passer, DT finally wakes up out of his slumber, Ayers has a crucial pass deflection and has been plaing pretty well, Decker had a good game that doesn't show on the stat sheets, but on a couple of the long DT receptions those probably aren't catches if Decker isn't working the slot and facing double teams, and Beadles and Walton have improved by leaps and bounds.

ScottXray
12-04-2011, 05:08 PM
Fox made a comment after the game, which I thought was pretty telling. Every game denver goes into they have no idea how the defense is going to play option/spread offense they run so it is very hard for the offense to prepare. When they go to halftime they make the adjustments to what the defense is doing and they play better in the second half. This gives me hope that the Broncos' offense will play better the second time they face an opponent, makes sense.

Watch out KC!!!!

But Fox also said they scripted the first 15 plays on offense the week before last, and that Tebow played well on those scripted plays but got erratic after that.
In this game the first play from scrimmage they gave up a safety, and they never got anything going after that , with Minny winning two challenges that were a knats A** from Denver getting the play off before the challenge could be made. The offense was working, (almost) but Denver only had about 15 plays total in the first half due to never geting a drive going and pretty much bad luck.

The adjustments at the half today for the offense were very good and they just rammed the ball down Minnys throat to start the second half, then let Tebow actually throw after they tried to adjsut to that. And most of those plays were not options but just straight standard NFL handoffs. Basically Minny thought we would come out throwing or option and we took advantage of THEIR adjustments to get back in the game quickly.

Minnyadjusted their offense pretty well too, as it ended up being a shootout the 2nd half... which Tebow kept them in score for score.

Have to agree that Fox ( or the coordinators ) did a good job today but every game is different.

MacGruder
12-04-2011, 05:09 PM
sadly, you all do realize that in St Louis, McDaniels is smiling like a little troll mother****er right now after a day in which his QB draft pick has his best game as a passer, DT finally wakes up out of his slumber, Ayers has a crucial pass deflection and has been plaing pretty well, Decker had a good game that doesn't show on the stat sheets, but on a couple of the long DT receptions those probably aren't catches if Decker isn't working the slot and facing double teams, and Beadles and Walton have improved by leaps and bounds.

Then he watches Orton's fail train at KC and wonders how he could have been fooled by that hot mess..

Though I think he went with Orton to protect Tebow because of all the insane pressure on him.. which is still there unfortunately..

BroncoMan4ever
12-04-2011, 05:21 PM
Then he watches Orton's fail train at KC and wonders how he could have been fooled by that hot mess..

Though I think he went with Orton to protect Tebow because of all the insane pressure on him.. which is still there unfortunately..

:thumbs:

enjolras
12-04-2011, 05:23 PM
Super fans or not this is the most action DT has had since the dolphins game. The only thing he's done the past few games is miss blocks. Hopefully he can keep up the consistency because he and decker would make a good combo imo

He had two big catches in the Jets game..

Turd_Ferguson
12-04-2011, 05:24 PM
Oh no. You don't get to say that we were winning in spite of Tebow in earlier games, and then give credit to the defense for this one. That's ridiculous.

we were winning in spite of Tebow in earlier games. Today Tebow deserves the bigger share of credit, but the defense cause turnovers and scored a touchdown despite giving up several big plays.

:yayaya:

MacGruder
12-04-2011, 05:25 PM
we were winning in spite of Tebow in earlier games. Today Tebow deserves the bigger share of credit, but the defense cause turnovers and scored a touchdown despite giving up several big plays.

:yayaya:

Tebow made the Broncos go from one of the worst rushing teams to arguably the best and you say the defense was carrying him?

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 05:26 PM
we were winning in spite of Tebow in earlier games. Today Tebow deserves the bigger share of credit, but the defense cause turnovers and scored a touchdown despite giving up several big plays.

:yayaya:

Your logic is epically flawed...

Gutless Drunk
12-04-2011, 05:31 PM
sadly, you all do realize that in St Louis, McDaniels is smiling like a little troll mother****er right now after a day in which his QB draft pick has his best game as a passer, DT finally wakes up out of his slumber, Ayers has a crucial pass deflection and has been plaing pretty well, Decker had a good game that doesn't show on the stat sheets, but on a couple of the long DT receptions those probably aren't catches if Decker isn't working the slot and facing double teams, and Beadles and Walton have improved by leaps and bounds.

Yea...he's doing none of this. He's wondering if he might be able to get a job coaching Ohio high school football after his 32nd ranked offense leads to the entire staff getting S**t-canned this year

WolfpackGuy
12-04-2011, 05:38 PM
He's made a believer out of me.

Hell, one incompletion (to Thomas) was dubiously overturned.

One incompletion (to Decker) hit him right in the hands and should've been caught.

Another incompletion would've been a TD had Thomas kept running because it looked like he slowed down a little/misjudged it allowing the defender to close.

Dedhed
12-04-2011, 05:48 PM
we were winning in spite of Tebow in earlier games.

No we weren't.

frerottenextelway
12-04-2011, 05:53 PM
"I know that I had a lot of help. Offensive line did a great job, and receivers stepped up and made me look a lot better than I really am," said Tebow

Lol

Vegas_Bronco
12-04-2011, 06:04 PM
We do have a bunch of misfits...even the announcers are getting use to the idea. The start of the 4th quarter and your within 3 pts of the broncos....you're screwed!

I love it! Watching Jared Allen, a premier pass rusher, laid out on his belly chasing tebow...defenders just get screwed in the head trying to contain this kid.

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 06:11 PM
Great thread.

Again, to me... he looks a little more like he did last year as a passer. Just out there throwing the ball, less stiff, etc. But, he really didn't throw many bad balls today. He's also taking extreme caution with where he's putting it. Seems to know just when to take chances. He's still got a ways to go, but very encouraging. I'm actually sold on him as our QB for 2012 at this point. I know some aren't yet, and some have been... but I think we've seen enough to wait at least one more year to draft a QB high.

Yup.

jsco70
12-04-2011, 06:13 PM
Another incompletion would've been a TD had Thomas kept running because it looked like he slowed down a little/misjudged it allowing the defender to close.

Agree with 100% with this. He held up for a split second and it cost him a catch.

I'm hopeful DT will work on the little things that can make him a great player. I feel like he's a bit lazy with footwork on the sidelines, doesn't have good awareness, and needs to block better. Obviously he's working back from injury so it's hard to get down on him too much.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 06:15 PM
Agree with 100% with this. He held up for a split second and it cost him a catch.

I'm hopeful DT will work on the little things that can make him a great player. I feel like he's a bit lazy with footwork on the sidelines, doesn't have good awareness, and needs to block better. Obviously he's working back from injury so it's hard to get down on him too much.

I was as down on him as possible going into this game. After it, I can't bring myself to say anything negative without feeling like I'm nitpicking.

Gcver2ver3
12-04-2011, 06:15 PM
perhaps my eyes and ears were deceiving me, but i think i just saw Trent Dilfer actually support Tim Tebow..,.

tell me it aint so...

jsco70
12-04-2011, 06:18 PM
I was as down on him as possible going into this game. After it, I can't bring myself to say anything negative without feeling like I'm nitpicking.

I know what you mean. I also need to remind myself he came from a non-passing college program. However, he has so much athletic ability it's hard not to expect, and want, more out of him.

Kid A
12-04-2011, 06:18 PM
perhaps my eyes and ears were deceiving me, but i think i just saw Trent Dilfer actually support Tim Tebow..,.

tell me it aint so...

Yep. Trent Dilfer seems to have had his "come to Tebow" moment today. Raving about his pocket improvement, says he's a couple games from going all in on giving the guy another offseason as the established #1

WolfpackGuy
12-04-2011, 06:20 PM
Agree with 100% with this. He held up for a split second and it cost him a catch.

I'm hopeful DT will work on the little things that can make him a great player. I feel like he's a bit lazy with footwork on the sidelines, doesn't have good awareness, and needs to block better. Obviously he's working back from injury so it's hard to get down on him too much.

He definitely misjudged it, lost it in the lights, or something because you could see the hitch in his step on the replay.

That ball was RIGHT where it had to be.

I was like, "WTF did he stop?"

He came from an option offense in college and has been banged up most of his NFL career so far, but Thomas certainly has all the physical tools.

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 06:22 PM
Agree with 100% with this. He held up for a split second and it cost him a catch.

I'm hopeful DT will work on the little things that can make him a great player. I feel like he's a bit lazy with footwork on the sidelines, doesn't have good awareness, and needs to block better. Obviously he's working back from injury so it's hard to get down on him too much.

Yeah, but you did so anyway.

pikkiwoki
12-04-2011, 06:24 PM
perhaps my eyes and ears were deceiving me, but i think i just saw Trent Dilfer actually support Tim Tebow..,.

tell me it aint so...

After the way he constantly ripped Tebow, a virtual rookie QB, he can stay off the bandwagon, no thanks. It's easy to support a winner, ain't it?

As soon as the Broncos lose a game, Dilfer will be back at it again. Dilfer can go suck eggs.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 06:24 PM
Dude, stop nitpicking...

Lol at nitpicking on why a fingertip ball is dropped due to the rec halfassing his route vs zero coverage on a fade route.

Its only the diff between winning and losing...

<----football coach

jsco70
12-04-2011, 06:36 PM
Yeah, but you did so anyway.

Yes, and if you read closely, you'd notice I said "too much." Doesn't mean the guy doesn't deserve some heat for slowing up on his route. Also, his lack of effort blocking for Tebow down field vs. the Jets, and some sloppy footwork on the sidelines.

Last time I checked the guy was making a fortune playing football. He can, and should, do better regardless of his injury. It isn't like this is his first game back. You don't agree?

Gcver2ver3
12-04-2011, 06:38 PM
After the way he constantly ripped Tebow, a virtual rookie QB, he can stay off the bandwagon, no thanks. It's easy to support a winner, ain't it?

As soon as the Broncos lose a game, Dilfer will be back at it again. Dilfer can go suck eggs.

agreed...

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 06:56 PM
Yes, and if you read closely, you'd notice I said "too much." Doesn't mean the guy doesn't deserve some heat for slowing up on his route. Also, his lack of effort blocking for Tebow down field vs. the Jets, and some sloppy footwork on the sidelines.

Last time I checked the guy was making a fortune playing football. He can, and should, do better regardless of his injury. It isn't like this is his first game back. You don't agree?

I agree, but blocking and effort are easily fixed. The coaches will work with him on his blocking and stress to him in meeting how important it is to block DT could be a great player. Plus when he sees in films how decker blocks that will also light a fire under him, if it doesn't than cut his ass or trade him. You try to block or you can go somewhere else. I'm sure Fox would agree.

Broncos4Life
12-04-2011, 09:16 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time before Guile's Theme to Tebow highlights would show up on Youtube!

AWESOME.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/v9VR9AOPeJc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tebow wins games.....for America.

That is so Epic Socal!