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Vine
12-04-2011, 01:31 PM
Tebow doubters can no longer claim that Denver won despite Tebow.

Today, Denver won BECAUSE of Tebow.

Everytime Tebow would lead Denver down the field for a touchdown to get Denver close, Minnesota would respond and counter with a score of their own.

Denver HAD to have Tebow play well to have a chance. Because the defense had a bad game. He played his best game of his young career. Denver won. Tebow's doubters will have to change their views of him in order to maintain any shred of credibility.

Tw0mey
12-04-2011, 01:34 PM
I hated using the first round draft pick on Tebow. I still think it was a poor pick, but Tebow is starting to grow on me and its fun as heck (not saying hell because Tebow wouldn't want me to) to watch him play. Every Broncos game the past 5 weeks has been down to the wire fun. Its great watching the team rally around Tebow.

DenverBroncosJM
12-04-2011, 01:35 PM
683 posts and you finally post something worth a ****. Next Spider is going to post something intelligent.

Nah I put to much faith in spider...

Vine
12-04-2011, 01:37 PM
683 posts and you finally post something worth a ****. Next Spider is going to post something intelligent.

Nah I put to much faith in spider...

Glad to see you are coming around!!!

doonwise
12-04-2011, 01:46 PM
Nothing has reminded me of watching Elway football more than Tim Tebow. It's a lot of fun. Stressful, but fun.

Mile High Mojoe
12-04-2011, 01:47 PM
Tebow doubters can no longer claim that Denver won despite Tebow.

Today, Denver won BECAUSE of Tebow.

Everytime Tebow would lead Denver down the field for a touchdown to get Denver close, Minnesota would respond and counter with a score of their own.

Denver HAD to have Tebow play well to have a chance. Because the defense had a bad game. He played his best game of his young career. Denver won. Tebow's doubters will have to change their views of him in order to maintain any shred of credibility.

This...Thankfully this is the first thread that should have been started after the win.

24champ
12-04-2011, 01:49 PM
It was a team win, everyone contributed. When you get down to it, Broncos won the game on the last interception.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-04-2011, 01:51 PM
dear merill fvckin hodge goat raper
please retire from ESPN you idiot .or better yet keep doubting Tebow . seems to make him better

AZorange1
12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Can't wait till tomorrow morning to watch ESPN First Take. Every Monday has been a blast to watch so far. It's like every week we have a new believer and 1 less hater.

SoCalBronco
12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Tony?

cutthemdown
12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Every win is a team win but the haters will have trouble with this one. Defense gave up a ton of big plays and Tebow was under some duress. He made throws for big plays and ran in a 2 pt conversion. He's such a gamer it sick. The fact haters want to single him out, analyze every mistake, say he can't improve enough to win, despite good play tells me it's about way more the football.

When guys like Stephan Smith, or whatever his name is continue to say i only hate on him because of football, the more i think they are afraid to say what the real reason is. They don't like him personally, his style, his religious routine, and his good boy image.

McDman
12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Tebow doubters can no longer claim that Denver won despite Tebow.

Today, Denver won BECAUSE of Tebow.

Everytime Tebow would lead Denver down the field for a touchdown to get Denver close, Minnesota would respond and counter with a score of their own.

Denver HAD to have Tebow play well to have a chance. Because the defense had a bad game. He played his best game of his young career. Denver won. Tebow's doubters will have to change their views of him in order to maintain any shred of credibility.

You're right, Thomas' and McGahee's huge runs had nothing to do with it. You're such a douche bag.

This was a team wide effort by the whole offense. Everyone played really well.

errand
12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Tebow doubters can no longer claim that Denver won despite Tebow.

Today, Denver won BECAUSE of Tebow.

Everytime Tebow would lead Denver down the field for a touchdown to get Denver close, Minnesota would respond and counter with a score of their own.

Denver HAD to have Tebow play well to have a chance. Because the defense had a bad game. He played his best game of his young career. Denver won. Tebow's doubters will have to change their views of him in order to maintain any shred of credibility.

Great team win.....

Props to Tim and the offense for finally opening it up and winning a shootout. Tebow was a huge part of today's win...Only Ricky Martin had a bigger coming out party than DT did today...

We saw the importance of missing Von Miller, several of those "pressures" would have been sacks if the speedy Miller was playing.

Dawkins had a great game, forcing a fumble, batting down that pass....Haggan filled in admirably for Miller, and had a pick 6...good and bad play on our defensive side of ball...of course same with O...they struggled in first half, lights out in 2nd half.

McGahee ran well but had the fumble, as did Tebow...and the D kept the game close for first half, then Tebow and O won the track meet in the 2nd half

Goodman got ripped during the game by alot of you, but got the pick that helped us win the game...glad he got the last laugh.

Tebow finally played like I said he needed to, being more accurate in his throws and making plays throwing the ball because the day when the defense lays a bit of an egg was gonna eventually happen and he would have to be able to win a shootout. He stepped up to the plate and knocked it outta the park.

This is the 2nd consecutive game where I've seen marked improvement from him in the passing game....and gotta hand it to the kid...he's got me sitting 98% in his corner because of his performance today. Need to see him continue to make the progress he's making in the passing game, and then look at his body of work at season's end...but this kid is making believer's outta even more skeptical people than I....really hard to argue with him helping us win 6 of our last 7.

7-5 baby and in first place!!!!

cutthemdown
12-04-2011, 01:53 PM
dear merill f***in hodge goat raper
please retire from ESPN you idiot .or better yet keep doubting Tebow . seems to make him better

If someone could find the play of Dennis Smith knocking him the **** out I would really love it.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-04-2011, 01:53 PM
It was a team win, everyone contributed. When you get down to it, Broncos won the game on the last interception.

every game when you think about it past present future is a TEAM WIN so your right also but Tebow gets a bit of credit if he did a orton and went 3 out over n over n over like we did earlier oh stop being right:yayaya:

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 01:53 PM
I hated using the first round draft pick on Tebow. I still think it was a poor pick

If you don't think Tebow was worth a late first rounder, you are nuts. Period.

HAT
12-04-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm not a Tebow doubter but today was the epitome of an all around team win.

The D put 10 on the board.
Prater was nails on the long FG to tie.
Cosby created some short fields
Colquitt was solid as usual

Tebow was great today...Luckily his fumble only led to 3 and not 7. Starting to think they can win out.

strafen
12-04-2011, 01:55 PM
Les Shapiro is going to sound bitter and angry tonight. I'm loving it!

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 01:55 PM
They've all been team wins. We need to stop giving any one player or phase the credit for the wins. When we need a play, Tebow and others always come up with one anymore. It's really that simple.

barryr
12-04-2011, 01:56 PM
No question the defense today played poorly through most of the game, but came through with a big play to help win it. I think this also shows that Miller should be defensive rookie of the year but also the defensive player of the year. The defense looked like it has the last few years without him in there.

Tebow continues to get better and made some big plays today, which they needed since the defense did not do well. Also great seeing Thomas have a big game. Let's hope he is the WR they thought he would be when drafting him.

But what a great win! Tied for 1st place! I did not see that happening before Tebow took over.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 01:56 PM
Tebow was great today...Luckily his fumble only led to 3 and not 7. Starting to think they can win out.

I'm still waiting for an adequate explanation of how that was a fumble...

Mile High Mojoe
12-04-2011, 01:57 PM
I love all the lukewarm back handed compliments for Tebow, more to come I'm sure.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 01:58 PM
10-15, 202 yards, 2 TD, 2 point conversation.

RedskinBronco
12-04-2011, 01:58 PM
Hey guys,

I have not posted for a long time but I am generally lurking and I can't help myself. I had to contribute today lol

For a few weeks, I just never got why everyone in the media always looks at Tebow as a horrible passer. The guy has all the tools IMO, he just needs someone to guide him a little. I see the potential there in the passing game and today he proved it big time.

I just don't get why people get on him about passing. I think he will become a pretty good passer in this league.

IMO, John Fox and his conservative style have been protecting Tebow and the Broncos in general but I am glad to see he is starting to gain more confidence in Tebow's passing game. John Fox is an excellent coach to get competitive again, but he has to allow his guys on offense to play and I am glad he let them go today in Minnesota.

Tebow is a special player, you cannot teach his "IT" factor but I have no doubts he can fix any mechanics issue and/or listen to all the coaching he's getting from a good QB coach.

Sorry for the rant, but Tim Tebow can throw the ball and people will realize it soon. As the coaching staff, let's him do more and more; he will prove it.

Ok I'm done :thumbsup:

Aftermath
12-04-2011, 01:58 PM
I hated using the first round draft pick on Tebow. I still think it was a poor pick, but Tebow is starting to grow on me and its fun as heck (not saying hell because Tebow wouldn't want me to) to watch him play. Every Broncos game the past 5 weeks has been down to the wire fun. Its great watching the team rally around Tebow.

Who cares what round we drafted him. Half the first round picks are busts anyways.

McDman
12-04-2011, 01:59 PM
They've all been team wins. We need to stop giving any one player or phase the credit for the wins. When we need a play, Tebow and others always come up with one anymore. It's really that simple.

Thank you. It is never about one player. Thomas may have in fact had a bigger game, I hope he can keep it up.

We really exposed their bad CBs with DT's size.

cutthemdown
12-04-2011, 01:59 PM
every game when you think about it past present future is a TEAM WIN so your right also but Tebow gets a bit of credit if he did a orton and went 3 out over n over n over like we did earlier oh stop being right:yayaya:

Like when Elway threw for about 180 yrds a game as Davis ran roughshod over the league. All team wins. Every win is because a QB needs someone to block and catch the ball etc etc.

Tebow just being put under the microscope more then any other QB i can remember. He responded by winning so many games we went from suck for luck to fighting for a division title.

It's so friggin hollywood, it's the best thing that has happened to the NFL since......hmmmm ever. He is the best role model any league could hope for and is probably on his way to a really special career.

barryr
12-04-2011, 01:59 PM
10-15, 202 yards, 2 TD, 2 point conversation.

I will take those stats every game. Some may like say Ponder's stats, but bottom line is his are good enough to lose and makes critical mistakes that Tebow seems good at avoiding.

cutthemdown
12-04-2011, 02:00 PM
Thank you. It is never about one player. Thomas may have in fact had a bigger game, I hope he can keep it up.

We really exposed their bad CBs with DT's size.

You keep 8 in the box all game and you get burnt. Just like we got burnt on the blitz a few times today.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:01 PM
I will take those stats every game. Some may like say Ponder's stats, but bottom line is his are good enough to lose and makes critical mistakes that Tebow seems good at avoiding.

Ponder's stat quality isn't anywhere close to Tebow's. He just threw it a lot more.

McDman
12-04-2011, 02:01 PM
You keep 8 in the box all game and you get burnt. Just like we got burnt on the blitz a few times today.

Yep. That and having practice squad CBs really hurts when you have a big physical WR.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:03 PM
Thank you. It is never about one player. Thomas may have in fact had a bigger game, I hope he can keep it up.

We really exposed their bad CBs with DT's size.

Seeing a receiver emerge for Tebow to throw to other than Decker was awesome. That it was a guy I was starting to have serious doubts about, makes it all the better. I still think DT was the most talented receiver in that draft (over Dez Bryant), he just needs to fulfill his incredible potential.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 02:04 PM
Mccoy/Fox need to unleash him and get balance. 50/50 from here on out.

That 70/30 bs gets us nowhere.

MajorGCG
12-04-2011, 02:04 PM
Can't wait till tomorrow morning to watch ESPN First Take. Every Monday has been a blast to watch so far. It's like every week we have a new believer and 1 less hater.


+1 - it's been incredibly entertaining.

errand
12-04-2011, 02:05 PM
Ponder's stat quality isn't anywhere close to Tebow's. He just threw it a lot more.

Difference between Ponder and Tebow was 2...

Ponder threw two INT's that led to 10 Broncos points....Tebow didn't throw any. Good day at the office for Tim...and he's progressed nicely the past two weeks... his throwing the ball before during and after practice is starting to pay off.

McDman
12-04-2011, 02:07 PM
Seeing a receiver emerge for Tebow to throw to other than Decker was awesome. That it was a guy I was starting to have serious doubts about, makes it all the better. I still think DT was the most talented receiver in that draft (over Dez Bryant), he just needs to fulfill his incredible potential.

It will be big. I am just hoping it wasn't a one game thing against a beat up secondary. DT has all of the tools, just needs to put them together.

CEH
12-04-2011, 02:08 PM
Though I think CBS and Fox may get to protect one game each otherwise Book it right now. NE at Denver Sunday night football.

errand
12-04-2011, 02:08 PM
It will be big. I am just hoping it wasn't a one game thing against a beat up secondary. DT has all of the tools, just needs to put them together.

DT not making big plays this season is really vexing...especially when you factor in he was a huge part of GT's option offense while in college

rbackfactory80
12-04-2011, 02:09 PM
Denver=1 mile high
1 mile high= closest football team to Heaven

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:09 PM
Mccoy/Fox need to unleash him and get balance. 50/50 from here on out.

That 70/30 bs gets us nowhere.

I would like to see them use the run and pass together and in an unpredictable way. It just feels like we run 90% of the time until the game is on the line, and then we start throwing 80% of the time. It never feels like we are really playing complimentary offense either way. And I do agree that I would like to see more balance in general. 50/50 would be the ideal, and is still far more run heavy than what's standard in today's NFL.

MajorGCG
12-04-2011, 02:09 PM
I will take those stats every game. Some may like say Ponder's stats, but bottom line is his are good enough to lose and makes critical mistakes that Tebow seems good at avoiding.

Tim made 1 bad throw - his first, and some really great throws that were just tough incompletions - 2 in particular to Thomas.

He had his best day (maybe ever in the NFL) passing and he's gotten better and better every week. That's all you can ask for.

Oh yeah, he's 6-1 with the hobbled Bears coming into Mile High, followed up by what should be an incredibly interesting game at home vs Brady and the Pats.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Like when Elway threw for about 180 yrds a game as Davis ran roughshod over the league. All team wins. Every win is because a QB needs someone to block and catch the ball etc etc.

Tebow just being put under the microscope more then any other QB i can remember. He responded by winning so many games we went from suck for luck to fighting for a division title.

It's so friggin hollywood, it's the best thing that has happened to the NFL since......hmmmm ever. He is the best role model any league could hope for and is probably on his way to a really special career.

and i agree 100% but the nature of this game is the QB gets alot of credit.
the receivers are like forgotten will anyone outside of Denver remember Eddy Mac ?

Dr. Broncenstein
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
DT not making big plays this season is really vexing...especially when you factor in he was a huge part of GT's option offense while in college

He's not healthy.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
It was a team win, everyone contributed. When you get down to it, Broncos won the game on the last interception.

Prater won the game. He's clutch!!

24champ
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Seeing a receiver emerge for Tebow to throw to other than Decker was awesome. That it was a guy I was starting to have serious doubts about, makes it all the better. I still think DT was the most talented receiver in that draft (over Dez Bryant), he just needs to fulfill his incredible potential.

If DT reaches his potential, McD will look like a shrewd GM moving around for DT and Tebow in that first round...

snowspot66
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
DT not making big plays this season is really vexing...especially when you factor in he was a huge part of GT's option offense while in college

Playing nine months after an Achilles injury will do that.

barryr
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Ponder's stat quality isn't anywhere close to Tebow's. He just threw it a lot more.

I am fine with this offense right now since it is limiting turnovers.

MajorGCG
12-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Seeing a receiver emerge for Tebow to throw to other than Decker was awesome. That it was a guy I was starting to have serious doubts about, makes it all the better. I still think DT was the most talented receiver in that draft (over Dez Bryant), he just needs to fulfill his incredible potential.

Can you imagine if Denver had Dallas' skill talent? Yikes.

barryr
12-04-2011, 02:11 PM
Playing nine months after an Achilles injury will do that.

Yep, I suspect he hasn't become totally confident in his cuts yet, worrying about reinjury. I think with a healthy camp, he can emerge into a big play guy.

McDman
12-04-2011, 02:12 PM
Oh no, MHM neg repped me again for giving credit to Bey Bey and McGahee! I just can't take all these neg reps, it hurts my e-cred way too much.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 02:14 PM
Mccoy/Fox need to unleash him and get balance. 50/50 from here on out.

That 70/30 bs gets us nowhere.

...except for 6 straight wins.

strafen
12-04-2011, 02:15 PM
Winning a shootout says a lot.
I bet many people around the NFL thought we couldn't and on the road no less...

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-04-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm still waiting for an adequate explanation of how that was a fumble...

don't you know the ground is the 12th player on Defense the ground can cause a fumble it was just added today in the NFL rulebook .
but don't look for it it was only for today written in invisible ink
and look for the new Tebow rule : if you are a ref in any game the broncos play and Tebow is the QB do whatever you can to flag the broncos .
any little thing flag it.
Even if we never throw flags on those plays.do it anyways !
make something up if you have to .
WE CANT LET THIS GUY WIN:rofl:

errand
12-04-2011, 02:18 PM
Playing nine months after an Achilles injury will do that.

Well, that certainly explains his being MIA for most of the ...forgot all about his Achilles injury

ant1999e
12-04-2011, 02:27 PM
Oh no, MHM neg repped me again for giving credit to Bey Bey and McGahee! I just can't take all these neg reps, it hurts my e-cred way too much.

Probably more for being an asshole but that's just a guess.

Popps
12-04-2011, 02:28 PM
OP: Ban, plus Family and Friends Ban, imo. (+Perma)

McDman
12-04-2011, 02:33 PM
Probably more for being an a-hole but that's just a guess.

Where exactly was I an ass?

24champ
12-04-2011, 02:38 PM
Oh no, MHM neg repped me again for giving credit to Bey Bey and McGahee! I just can't take all these neg reps, it hurts my e-cred way too much.

http://blagotube.onehourparkingshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/internet_serious_mf_business.jpg

errand
12-04-2011, 02:40 PM
Where exactly was I an ass?

Did you give Tebow ALL the credit for the 6-1 run Broncos have been on? Did you blast his teammates and hold them accountable for his mistakes?

If not, well there you go....lol

HAT
12-04-2011, 02:44 PM
I'm still waiting for an adequate explanation of how that was a fumble...

Nothing happened to make the play dead.

Look at this way....If he was falling down but put the ball on the ground to brace himself and then regained his feet, he can keep running right?

Or the example I gave in the game thread...Let's say there's nobody near a ball carrier and he sets the ball on the ground, holds it there for a few seconds and then walks away. Would you call the play dead because "the ground can't cause a fumble" ? Of course not.

The "ground can't cause a fumble" myth needs to die. Doesn't help when the talking heads keep perpetuating the myth.

TonyR
12-04-2011, 02:49 PM
I'm not a Tebow doubter but today was the epitome of an all around team win.

I am a Tebow doubter but doubting him significantly less after this game. Perhaps you can even say I was a Tebow doubter... Great win! Contributions from all phases of the game. D was great in the first half, O was better in the second half.

Armchair Bronco
12-04-2011, 02:50 PM
I hated using the first round draft pick on Tebow. I still think it was a poor pick...

Dude, with this statement, you have lost all credibility forever!

Seriously?

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:54 PM
Nothing happened to make the play dead.

Look at this way....If he was falling down but put the ball on the ground to brace himself and then regained his feet, he can keep running right?

Or the example I gave in the game thread...Let's say there's nobody near a ball carrier and he sets the ball on the ground, holds it there for a few seconds and then walks away. Would you call the play dead because "the ground can't cause a fumble" ? Of course not.

The "ground can't cause a fumble" myth needs to die. Doesn't help when the talking heads keep perpetuating the myth.

Pretty sure that putting the ball on the ground like that meant he was down just as if it was his knee. I'm looking through the official rules right now, and having a hard time finding the definition of what makes player down by contact.

Anyone else want to try? http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/6_Rule3_Definitions.pdf

OrangeSe7en
12-04-2011, 02:55 PM
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Bob's your Information Minister
12-04-2011, 02:55 PM
Tebow is taking you to the playoffs.

Archer81
12-04-2011, 02:57 PM
Tebow is taking you to the playoffs.


Anything is possible, if highly probable.


:Broncos:

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 02:58 PM
The bad part is bob is always wrong .

barryr
12-04-2011, 02:58 PM
The ground can not cause a fumble rule exists as long as the player going down is downed by contact. If the player hits the ground and has not been downed or touched and went down on his own, (excluding the QB when sliding feet first since he is called down automatically for giving himself up), he is free to keep going since he really isn't down yet and yes, technically the ground could cause a fumble then. So it all matters if the player with the ball is tackled or touched while down.

OrangeSe7en
12-04-2011, 03:03 PM
The ground can not cause a fumble rule exists as long as the player going down is downed by contact. If the player hits the ground and has not been downed or touched and went down on his own, (excluding the QB when sliding feet first since he is called down automatically for giving himself up), he is free to keep going since he really isn't down yet and yes, technically the ground could cause a fumble then. So it all matters if the player with the ball is tackled or touched while down.

And in this case Tebow was on his way to the ground because he was tripped by Allen.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-04-2011, 03:04 PM
The bad part is bob is always wrong .

I was right about Orton and a lot of stuff about your Donks the last few years. The collapse of your defense, McDaniels getting fired, etc.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-04-2011, 03:06 PM
I was right about Orton and a lot of stuff about your Donks the last few years. The collapse of your defense, McDaniels getting fired, etc.

You predicted the failures of Orton and McJoshie? What are you, a wizard?

Bob's your Information Minister
12-04-2011, 03:06 PM
You predicted the failures of Orton and McJoshie? What are you, a wizard?

A lot of you idiots thought Orton was taking you to the promised land.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 03:07 PM
just stop you idiot.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:08 PM
And in this case Tebow was on his way to the ground because he was tripped by Allen.

Yep. The arguments for it being a fumble just feel weird to me. Tebow went down after getting tripped, and in the process of going down the ground knocked the ball loose. I really don't see how that was a fumble based on my understanding of the rules.

Vine
12-04-2011, 03:10 PM
Mccoy/Fox need to unleash him and get balance. 50/50 from here on out.

That 70/30 bs gets us nowhere.

I would be happy with 40/60 pass/run ratio.

Armchair Bronco
12-04-2011, 03:13 PM
Yep. The arguments for it being a fumble just feel weird to me. Tebow went down after getting tripped, and in the process of going down the ground knocked the ball loose. I really don't see how that was a fumble based on my understanding of the rules.

Don't sweat it. The fix was in, and that's the reasonable explanation.

HAT
12-04-2011, 03:33 PM
Yep. The arguments for it being a fumble just feel weird to me. Tebow went down after getting tripped, and in the process of going down the ground knocked the ball loose. I really don't see how that was a fumble based on my understanding of the rules.

http://twitter.com/#!/MikePereira/status/143414544310611968

Den/Min-the ground can cause a fumble if the runner is not down prior to the ball coming out.Tebows knee was not down when the ball came out.

~~~~~~~~~~~

The only thing touching the ground when the ball came loose was his feet...Therefore, he's not down by contact.

The myth gets perpetuated because usually you'll see a ball carriers forearm or elbow make contact with the the ground at the same time the ball pops out. Talking heads say "the ground can't cause a fumble" but what they really mean is there is no fumble....Because the player was already down by contact due to another part of his body other than his hands or feet hitting the ground.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 03:34 PM
DT not making big plays this season is really vexing...especially when you factor in he was a huge part of GT's option offense while in college

I was extremely happy on the TD where Tim bought time by stiff arm, that DT worked hard to find an open spot and let Tebow find him.

Popps
12-04-2011, 03:35 PM
Delete thread please.

Rolandftw
12-04-2011, 03:37 PM
Have to give Tebow immense credit for his performance in the second half. Thomas came alive and probably had his best game as a pro (seattle game last year is the only competition really). Hopefully, he keeps getting better as well and can be a reliable #1 or #2 option for us.

Their mistakes outweighed ours. We gave them six points off of turnovers. They gave us thirteen I think.

OrangeSe7en
12-04-2011, 03:41 PM
I was extremely happy on the TD where Tim bought time by stiff arm, that DT worked hard to find an open spot and let Tebow find him.

DT didn't really work hard as much as the defense spreads out when the QB can improvise like Tebow did. Once Tebow broke the tackle with the stiff arm, the DBs who were around DT became more spread out.

ScottXray
12-04-2011, 03:43 PM
Reverse mojo doesn't work AFTER the game Bob.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 03:49 PM
Yep, I suspect he hasn't become totally confident in his cuts yet, worrying about reinjury. I think with a healthy camp, he can emerge into a big play guy.

Doc can probably speak better to this than I, but I've had that injury and reinjury doesn't enter in to it, nor does "cutting". My doctors told me that I'd never, ever, tear the tendon in that spot again due to how they fix the damage.

My biggest problem was getting the range of motion back (very painful). Also, I didn't concern myself about explosion, as I never had "explosion". I really think that his problems are more strength, explosiveness and endurance.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 03:50 PM
A lot of you idiots thought Orton was taking you to the promised land.


grbac

Vine
12-04-2011, 03:53 PM
Delete thread please.


Too stupid to ignore?

oubronco
12-04-2011, 03:57 PM
683 posts and you finally post something worth a ****. Next Spider is going to post something intelligent.

Nah I put to much faith in spider...

Hilarious!

snowspot66
12-04-2011, 04:08 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/MikePereira/status/143414544310611968

Den/Min-the ground can cause a fumble if the runner is not down prior to the ball coming out.Tebows knee was not down when the ball came out.

~~~~~~~~~~~

The only thing touching the ground when the ball came loose was his feet...Therefore, he's not down by contact.

The myth gets perpetuated because usually you'll see a ball carriers forearm or elbow make contact with the the ground at the same time the ball pops out. Talking heads say "the ground can't cause a fumble" but what they really mean is there is no fumble....Because the player was already down by contact due to another part of his body other than his hands or feet hitting the ground.

My problem with the fumble call is that:

A.) He was called down if I remember correctly.

B.) His knee clearly hit the ground right after the ball did. He did not obviously lose possession before his knee hit the ground.

What the **** ever happened to indisputable evidence being required to overturn a call?

BroncoMan4ever
12-04-2011, 04:10 PM
Tebow had a really good game today and i see him improving week to week and am happy to see it, but now the test for him is can he sustain this high level of play and build off of it, or was it just a this week type of thing.

the only thing that will permanently shut down his critics is consistent solid play like today.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 04:12 PM
You predicted the failures of Orton and McJoshie? What are you, a wizard?

Naw, He's a slower, shorter, possibly fatter version of Captain Obvious.

The nice thing about his dumb predictions is that he said "Tebow will take you to the playoffs." And I don't even know Tebow personally, so it works, albeit disappointing that Tebow won't be taking ME to the playoffs. I'll be happy just to watch on TV.

TotallyScrewed
12-04-2011, 04:15 PM
DT didn't really work hard as much as the defense spreads out when the QB can improvise like Tebow did. Once Tebow broke the tackle with the stiff arm, the DBs who were around DT became more spread out.

Okay, but he didn't just stop moving and stare in wonder while Tebow extended the play.

BroncoMan4ever
12-04-2011, 04:21 PM
grbac

Croyle....lol

BroncoMan4ever
12-04-2011, 04:23 PM
DT didn't really work hard as much as the defense spreads out when the QB can improvise like Tebow did. Once Tebow broke the tackle with the stiff arm, the DBs who were around DT became more spread out.

take a closer look at the game. Decker didn't have a great receiving day, but he was drawing defenders away from DT on the TD catches. his matchup in the slot always had Safety help over the top spyin on him while DT got 1 on 1 plays.

Dutch
12-04-2011, 04:53 PM
Doc can probably speak better to this than I, but I've had that injury and reinjury doesn't enter in to it, nor does "cutting". My doctors told me that I'd never, ever, tear the tendon in that spot again due to how they fix the damage.

My biggest problem was getting the range of motion back (very painful). Also, I didn't concern myself about explosion, as I never had "explosion". I really think that his problems are more strength, explosiveness and endurance.

LOL This! I ruptured both of mine at the same time (high jumping in sprint spikes in the Jeffco track and field finals). It took two years for me to get back to "normal" where it wasn't in the back of my mind. DT will get better as the year goes on, and he will be a beast next year.........count on it.

Jay3
12-04-2011, 05:21 PM
My problem with the fumble call is that:

A.) He was called down if I remember correctly.

B.) His knee clearly hit the ground right after the ball did. He did not obviously lose possession before his knee hit the ground.

What the **** ever happened to indisputable evidence being required to overturn a call?

Look on the bright side -- we got to see more passing and point production from Tebow after that fumble gave up another FG before the half.

Tebow will get as much as he needs to get for the win. The refs just wanted to see a show.

Broncbow
12-04-2011, 05:59 PM
They've all been team wins. We need to stop giving any one player or phase the credit for the wins. When we need a play, Tebow and others always come up with one anymore. It's really that simple.

Tebow gets the credit and that is just going to be that because he is the QB. A QB is measured by his teams wins,. Deal with it. If its OK to say Elway won, Brady won, its OK to say Tebow did too.

Steve Sewell
12-04-2011, 06:05 PM
Tim made 1 bad throw - his first, and some really great throws that were just tough incompletions - 2 in particular to Thomas.

He had his best day (maybe ever in the NFL) passing and he's gotten better and better every week. That's all you can ask for.

Oh yeah, he's 6-1 with the hobbled Bears coming into Mile High, followed up by what should be an incredibly interesting game at home vs Brady and the Pats.

If the Broncos beat the Pats, the media will spontaneously combust.

BroncoMan4ever
12-04-2011, 06:14 PM
If the Broncos beat the Pats, the media will spontaneously combust.

if Tebow beats the Patriots, the Broncos go from being a division winner in a weak division to potentially being the front runners for the AFC crown.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 06:23 PM
If the Broncos beat the Pats, the media will spontaneously combust.

I can not wait. The defense will have to create a lot of pressure on Brady and make him uncomfortable in the pocket (Doom and Miller). the offense will need to rush the ball and milk the clock. I am optimistic about this game. Tebow and the offense will need to be better on 3rd downs which means more passing. If they can go 9-18 on 3rd down I think that would be great.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 06:26 PM
I can not wait. The defense will have to create a lot of pressure on Brady and make him uncomfortable in the pocket (Doom and Miller). the offense will need to rush the ball and milk the clock. I am optimistic about this game. Tebow and the offense will need to be better on 3rd downs which means more passing. If they can go 9-18 on 3rd down I think that would be great.


Please explain

Archer81
12-04-2011, 06:26 PM
if Tebow beats the Patriots, the Broncos go from being a division winner in a weak division to potentially being the front runners for the AFC crown.


Im starting to agree with whoever said the NE-Den game could be flexed to SNF.

But one step at a time. Sheecawgo is next.


:Broncos:

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 06:29 PM
Look at the drives we score Tds on. Balance.

We did have that one hilarious drive where we ran every down. Fluke though.

40/60 would be an improvement. It just depends on score and situation. Personally, I call plays like I am down 4 no matter what for my sons teams.

Archer81
12-04-2011, 06:32 PM
Look at the drives we score Tds on. Balance.

We did have that one hilarious drive where we ran every down. Fluke though.

40/60 would be an improvement. It just depends on score and situation. Personally, I call plays like I am down 4 no matter what for my sons teams.


Pass to Decker and pass to Thomas to start/end it though.

*edit. According to CBS last week, Denver had a 60-40 run pass ratio going into the SD game.

:Broncos:

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 06:39 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/MikePereira/status/143414544310611968

Den/Min-the ground can cause a fumble if the runner is not down prior to the ball coming out.Tebows knee was not down when the ball came out.

~~~~~~~~~~~

The only thing touching the ground when the ball came loose was his feet...Therefore, he's not down by contact.

The myth gets perpetuated because usually you'll see a ball carriers forearm or elbow make contact with the the ground at the same time the ball pops out. Talking heads say "the ground can't cause a fumble" but what they really mean is there is no fumble....Because the player was already down by contact due to another part of his body other than his hands or feet hitting the ground.

I'm still waiting for someone to find the actual rule that says that that situation is different than any other where a player falls and the ball is knocked out of his hands by the ground. The notion that there is a difference actually tickles me because the logic behind it makes no sense. If the "ground can not cause a fumble" rule only applies to a player who is already down, why does the rule even exist? It would become superfluous, as once a player's knee is down the play is technically dead and therefore a fumble would be impossible anyway.

To be honest I've looked around the internet and found various rulebooks and not a single one covers this specific incident one way or the other, so in the end it a judgment call. The fact that they ruled in the most unintuitive way based off the rules as written certainly strikes me as odd though. If this were to happen in a key situation during a playoff game I have a feeling that a rules addendum would come out soon after to clear it up, much like the "tuck rule".

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 06:41 PM
Pass to Decker and pass to Thomas to start/end it though.

*edit. According to CBS last week, Denver had a 60-40 run pass ratio going into the SD game.

:Broncos:

Is that for the full season? Because I'm pretty sure it's more like 70/30 since Tebow's been playing.

bronco militia
12-04-2011, 06:41 PM
tebow showed a lot of poise throwing the ball today......kick ass!

Archer81
12-04-2011, 06:42 PM
Is that for the full season? Because I'm pretty sure it's more like 70/30 since Tebow's been playing.


I got the impression it was for the full season.


:Broncos:

Vine
12-04-2011, 06:45 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to find the actual rule that says that that situation is different than any other where a player falls and the ball is knocked out of his hands by the ground. The notion that there is a difference actually tickles me because the logic behind it makes no sense. If the "ground can not cause a fumble" rule only applies to a player who is already down, why does the rule even exist? It would become superfluous, as once a player's knee is down the play is technically dead and therefore a fumble would be impossible anyway.

To be honest I've looked around the internet and found various rulebooks and not a single one covers this specific incident one way or the other, so in the end it a judgment call. The fact that they ruled in the most unintuitive way based off the rules as written certainly strikes me as odd though. If this were to happen in a key situation during a playoff game I have a feeling that a rules addendum would come out soon after to clear it up, much like the "tuck rule".


I am going to be honest here and if I am going to drop my loyalties, from a pure competition standpoint, I think that play should be ruled a fumble. Replay showed that the ball started to come out before his knee was down (although it was extremely close and maybe even inconclusive).

But hypothetical situation: If a player uses the ball and ground prop himself up in efforts to avoid being tackled, and the ball comes out, if the play has no part of the body that constitutes him being down, then I feel from a purely competitive standpoint, this should be ruled a fumble.

But I am totally with you. I would like to see some clarification, preferably from the league, how these situations should be ruled.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 06:47 PM
Pass to Decker and pass to Thomas to start/end it though.

*edit. According to CBS last week, Denver had a 60-40 run pass ratio going into the SD game.

:Broncos:

I was talking about a different game. 1St drive in kc

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 07:06 PM
I am a Tebow doubter but doubting him significantly less after this game. Perhaps you can even say I was a Tebow doubter... Great win! Contributions from all phases of the game. D was great in the first half, O was better in the second half.

Hah! So you finally admit to it. I've been wondering when you would slip.

Bacchus
12-04-2011, 07:22 PM
Please explain

I said they will need to pass more to get better on 3rd downs. I believe that they will need to convert the 3rd and 3 etc. Up until now they have been playing conservative football and running on these downs. Againt NE you have to maximize your points and reduce the amount of time their offense is on the field.

IMO They have to let tebow pass on 3rd and medium.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 07:25 PM
I said they will need to pass more to get better on 3rd downs. I believe that they will need to convert the 3rd and 3 etc. Up until now they have been playing conservative football and running on these downs. Againt NE you have to maximize your points and reduce the amount of time their offense is on the field.

IMO They have to let tebow pass on 3rd and medium.


We agree

Gort
12-04-2011, 07:30 PM
Is that for the full season? Because I'm pretty sure it's more like 70/30 since Tebow's been playing.

today,

Broncos had 49 plays. 32 runs. 15 passes. 2 sacks.

32/49 = 65.3%

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 07:37 PM
today,

Broncos had 49 plays. 32 runs. 15 passes. 2 sacks.

32/49 = 65.3%



If i counted right we passed 5 times (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011120409/2011/REG13/broncos@vikings#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay) in the 1st half.

strafen
12-04-2011, 07:41 PM
If i counted right we passed 5 times (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011120409/2011/REG13/broncos@vikings#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay) in the 1st half.

And not surprisingly, we've only had one 1st down in the 1st half, and 14 on the second half...

Gort
12-04-2011, 07:42 PM
If i counted right we passed 5 times (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011120409/2011/REG13/broncos@vikings#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay) in the 1st half.

what's funny is that guys like Hoge, Faulk, Howie "Dickface" Long, et. al. see 15 attempts on the stats and think that's proof that Tebow can't throw so Fox doesn't even try. but people who watch the games know that Tebow can throw well enough and it's Fox and McCoy who are petrified about ever calling a passing play unless they absolutely have to. people who don't watch the games really shouldn't be allowed to express opinions about this offense.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 07:43 PM
And not surprisingly, we've only had one 1st down in the 1st half, and 14 on the second half...


That ratio needs to change against teams like new england or we are in for a beat down heck the ratio needs to change now so we dont have to keep playing from behind to win we will fall short someday.

Gort
12-04-2011, 07:44 PM
And not surprisingly, we've only had one 1st down in the 1st half, and 14 on the second half...

in case you didn't get the memo.

in the 1st half, that was Tebow's fault. in the 2nd half, it was the 29th ranked defense of the Vikings that allowed those 1st downs.

did you notice in the first half they kept mentioning that the Broncos didn't yet have a first down, but forgot to mention the Broncos had run like 6 plays versus 25-30 for the Vikings?

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 07:47 PM
It makes you wonder if McCoy calls at least 12 passing plays in the first half what the score might have been to end the half.

frerottenextelway
12-04-2011, 07:48 PM
What is the record for most 4th qtr comebacks in a single season?

strafen
12-04-2011, 07:49 PM
in case you didn't get the memo.

in the 1st half, that was Tebow's fault. in the 2nd half, it was the 29th ranked defense of the Vikings that allowed those 1st downs.

did you notice in the first half they kept mentioning that the Broncos didn't yet have a first down, but forgot to mention the Broncos had run like 6 plays versus 25-30 for the Vikings?

Yeah, we didn't start too hot...
Just when you think you know what to expect, you still don't get used to it...

It's been fun to watch this evolve under out own eyes, so great we haven't had a chance to really appreciate what's happening...

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 07:52 PM
What is the record for most 4th qtr comebacks in a single season?


Marino i think.

frerottenextelway
12-04-2011, 07:57 PM
Marino i think.

How many? It would be cool to see Tebow break this, despite missing the first 5 games. He has to be getting close.

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 08:42 PM
How many? It would be cool to see Tebow break this, despite missing the first 5 games. He has to be getting close.


goggle says 34 thats career


then i find this so who knows

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7270

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 08:49 PM
check this out (http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400617/gene-frenette/2011-12-04/tebow-turns-corner-comeback-win)

In pulling out his fifth fourth quarter or overtime comeback win this season, tying an NFL record held since 1970, Tim Tebow took a major step in his development.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 08:55 PM
check this out (http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400617/gene-frenette/2011-12-04/tebow-turns-corner-comeback-win)

In pulling out his fifth fourth quarter or overtime comeback win this season, tying an NFL record held since 1970, Tim Tebow took a major step in his development.

He's already tied it with four games left to go? In the span of seven starts? Holy ****...

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 09:21 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ai8lKoo71kZn_7xZVX05zf5DubYF?slug=jc-cole_winners_losers_tim_tebow_broncos_passing_1204 11

Jason cole

Bronx33
12-04-2011, 09:23 PM
He's already tied it with four games left to go? In the span of seven starts? Holy ****...


I am not sure if its accurate yet

Bob's your Information Minister
12-04-2011, 09:29 PM
I don't think there are going to be many Tebow doubters after a couple more weeks of this ****.

Certainly I don't doubt him any longer.

Broncbow
12-05-2011, 05:50 AM
check this out (http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400617/gene-frenette/2011-12-04/tebow-turns-corner-comeback-win)

In pulling out his fifth fourth quarter or overtime comeback win this season, tying an NFL record held since 1970, Tim Tebow took a major step in his development.

All this is saying is Tebow could have done this earlier in games had Tebow not been relegated to scrap plays from this sabotaging scheme.

Keeping Tebow from doing at the beginning of games what he does at the end of games when we are behind is the result of this record breaking phenomena, result of our gut wrenching agonizing last minute heroic moments as if the coaching staff is torturing this fan base as well for forcing them to start Tebow.

I hate seeing the lack of dichotomy in regards to the 1 pass per game when we are not behind, to 17 passes when we are behind. We ought to be pounding the ball at the end of games while allowing Tebow to pass it during the most optimal times at the beginning of games, namely on first downs especially during the initial play of drives.

It does not have to be like this... That first half had me raging~!!

TonyR
12-05-2011, 06:03 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ai8lKoo71kZn_7xZVX05zf5DubYF?slug=jc-cole_winners_losers_tim_tebow_broncos_passing_1204 11

Jason cole


Still, those who blindly support Tebow and others who question him need to meet in the middle. Those who believe that Tebowís low-scoring, run-first, option-like style will work donít understand the nature of the NFL. You canít win long-term scoring less than 20 points as was proved on Sunday.

In the NFL, eventually other teams score. Even bad teams like 2-10 Minnesota score on good defensive teams such as Denver. This is where you have to throw it with some authority.

That doesnít mean 40 or 50 passes a week; probably something north of the 15 chances Tebow got (he completed 10 of those 15 for 202 yards and two touchdowns vs. the Vikings). You have to beat a blitz with a strong, accurate and aggressive throw the way Tebow did when he hit Thomas for 42 yards immediately after the Vikings took a 29-21 lead in the fourth quarter.


It's what I've been saying all along. And have been branded a "hater" and "troll" for doing so. All while rooting for Tebow and the Broncos as hard as ever. But it's why I had my doubts. You have to be able to pass to win in the NFL, and Tebow had to prove he could do it. Yesterday gave some solid evidence that maybe he can.

barryr
12-05-2011, 06:08 AM
This offense is being created as the season goes, so it is quite amazing where it has gone so far. The OL has had the toughest job of adjusting to the new offense.

I think most people, including the Broncos know that this offense won't be successful throwing 10 times a game. So that is a no duh.

A training camp together will help, but I'd rather the Broncos do this with Tebow then be like some other teams and throw tons, with their QB making mistakes and costing them wins.

TonyR
12-05-2011, 06:13 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ai8lKoo71kZn_7xZVX05zf5DubYF?slug=jc-cole_winners_losers_tim_tebow_broncos_passing_1204 11

Jason cole

Thanks for posting, good read from top to bottom. Everyone should check it out. Good, even handed perspective.

Expecting Tebow to pull out one game after another in the fourth quarter is a brutal burden. As the league has seen with Josh Freeman(notes) in Tampa Bay, fourth-quarter magic tends to even out. The point is to reduce the number of games you have to pull out of your rear, not live by them.

jhns
12-05-2011, 06:13 AM
Still, those who blindly support Tebow and others who question him need to meet in the middle. Those who believe that Tebowís low-scoring, run-first, option-like style will work donít understand the nature of the NFL. You canít win long-term scoring less than 20 points as was proved on Sunday.

In the NFL, eventually other teams score. Even bad teams like 2-10 Minnesota score on good defensive teams such as Denver. This is where you have to throw it with some authority.

That doesnít mean 40 or 50 passes a week; probably something north of the 15 chances Tebow got (he completed 10 of those 15 for 202 yards and two touchdowns vs. the Vikings). You have to beat a blitz with a strong, accurate and aggressive throw the way Tebow did when he hit Thomas for 42 yards immediately after the Vikings took a 29-21 lead in the fourth quarter.


It's what I've been saying all along. And have been branded a "hater" and "troll" for doing so. All while rooting for Tebow and the Broncos as hard as ever. But it's why I had my doubts. You have to be able to pass to win in the NFL, and Tebow had to prove he could do it. Yesterday gave some solid evidence that maybe he can.

That is not why you have been called a hater, troll...

This isn't the first time he has shown the ability to pass. It was not his best passing day. Half of what people have blamed him for in the passing game, was not his fault.

barryr
12-05-2011, 06:17 AM
Thanks for posting, good read from top to bottom. Everyone should check it out. Good, even handed perspective.

Expecting Tebow to pull out one game after another in the fourth quarter is a brutal burden. As the league has seen with Josh Freeman(notes) in Tampa Bay, fourth-quarter magic tends to even out. The point is to reduce the number of games you have to pull out of your rear, not live by them.

And the article is a no duh. Like so many expect to win each and every game this way for the next 10 years or that they can win the next 10 years throwing 10 passes a game. NO DUH!

Momentum
12-05-2011, 06:45 AM
One decent passing game and your all soiling your pants.

LMF A O.

We won the game because of Goodman's INT. Tebow played decent, but Willis McGahee is the key offensive player in all of these wins.

Doesn't really matter though. Because Elway is still making that move.

55CrushEm
12-05-2011, 06:54 AM
I will take those stats every game. Some may like say Ponder's stats, but bottom line is his are good enough to lose and makes critical mistakes that Tebow seems good at avoiding.

Me too.

Who gives a **** that Ponder through for almost 400 yards??? The most meaningful stat is that he turned the ball over THREE times (2 ints, 1 fumble).

If your QB turns the ball over 3 times....more likely than not, you're gonna lose.

But hey, the "expert analysts" love the 350+ yards....that alone means he had the better QB performance......(rolling eyes).

55CrushEm
12-05-2011, 06:54 AM
One decent passing game and your all soiling your pants.

LMF A O.

We won the game because of Goodman's INT. Tebow played decent, but Willis McGahee is the key offensive player in all of these wins.

Doesn't really matter though. Because Elway is still making that move.

Sure. And we almost lost the game because of Goodman's God-awful play through 59 1/2 minutes...........

55CrushEm
12-05-2011, 07:02 AM
Tebow is taking you to the playoffs.

**** you, Bob! Now you just jinxed us!

****!

McDman
12-05-2011, 07:06 AM
Still, those who blindly support Tebow and others who question him need to meet in the middle. Those who believe that Tebowís low-scoring, run-first, option-like style will work donít understand the nature of the NFL. You canít win long-term scoring less than 20 points as was proved on Sunday.

In the NFL, eventually other teams score. Even bad teams like 2-10 Minnesota score on good defensive teams such as Denver. This is where you have to throw it with some authority.

That doesnít mean 40 or 50 passes a week; probably something north of the 15 chances Tebow got (he completed 10 of those 15 for 202 yards and two touchdowns vs. the Vikings). You have to beat a blitz with a strong, accurate and aggressive throw the way Tebow did when he hit Thomas for 42 yards immediately after the Vikings took a 29-21 lead in the fourth quarter.


It's what I've been saying all along. And have been branded a "hater" and "troll" for doing so. All while rooting for Tebow and the Broncos as hard as ever. But it's why I had my doubts. You have to be able to pass to win in the NFL, and Tebow had to prove he could do it. Yesterday gave some solid evidence that maybe he can.

I'm the same way. Apparently I'm not a Bronco fan either.

TonyR
12-05-2011, 07:06 AM
This isn't the first time he has shown the ability to pass. It was not his best passing day. Half of what people have blamed him for in the passing game, was not his fault.

Good to see you're the same ignorant, stubborn, perspective lacking fool today you were yesterday. Congrats.

As usual you've completely missed the point. This season has been about defense and running the football. That has been Denver's primary recipe for success. And it was more of the same in the first half yesterday. But those of us who understand football knew that wasn't a long term recipe for success. It's a passing league and their will be games where you need to score more than Denver's ultra-conservative approach had been doing. In yesterday's second half we did that. Tebow showed some real progress in that type of game.

And why do you bring up "blame" and "fault"? I don't see anybody blaming or faulting Tebow for anything in this discussion. As usual you need to introduce dissension where there is none and then blame others for being trolls and haters.

TonyR
12-05-2011, 07:07 AM
And the article is a no duh.

And yet you still aren't willing to meet in the middle as the author suggests...

TailgateNut
12-05-2011, 07:08 AM
I'm the same way. Apparently I'm not a Bronco fan either.


Ditto here. I guess I have been confused for several decades.

Peoples Champ
12-05-2011, 07:15 AM
I'm not a Tebow doubter but today was the epitome of an all around team win.

The D put 10 on the board.
Prater was nails on the long FG to tie.
Cosby created some short fields
Colquitt was solid as usual

Tebow was great today...Luckily his fumble only led to 3 and not 7. Starting to think they can win out.


Correct , it was an all around team win. The entire team has played better since Tebow has been the starter. The Tebow affect is for real!

Meck77
12-05-2011, 07:16 AM
Ditto here. I guess I have been confused for several decades.

Leo you are a fan without a doubt. The most vocal and completely WRONG when it came to evaluating Tebows talent though. You have gone on record time after time saying "Tebow is not the answer at QB" and we just keep winning with him.

Are you ready to repent?

jhns
12-05-2011, 07:23 AM
Good to see you're the same ignorant, stubborn, perspective lacking fool today you were yesterday. Congrats.

As usual you've completely missed the point. This season has been about defense and running the football. That has been Denver's primary recipe for success. And it was more of the same in the first half yesterday. But those of us who understand football knew that wasn't a long term recipe for success. It's a passing league and their will be games where you need to score more than Denver's ultra-conservative approach had been doing. In yesterday's second half we did that. Tebow showed some real progress in that type of game.

And why do you bring up "blame" and "fault"? I don't see anybody blaming or faulting Tebow for anything in this discussion. As usual you need to introduce dissension where there is none and then blame others for being trolls and haters.

Cry more. You are the one that continues to cry about this hater thing. You continually bring it up for no reason. You then cry when I say something about it after you...

Because I was pointing out how irrational you haters have been with the Tebow subject.

That offense was running a defensive game plan. They go away from it whenever the defense isn't holding. It will continue to be that way.

alkemical
12-05-2011, 07:23 AM
Leo you are a fan without a doubt. The most vocal and completely WRONG when it came to evaluating Tebows talent though. You have gone on record time after time saying "Tebow is not the answer at QB" and we just keep winning with him.

Are you ready to repent?

Just an observation:

A public pittance. Stand before the group and tell us how WRONG you are. Absolve your sins.

http://www.ruid.com/photos/original/53143-8xn9sn7cz3exyhw2swy8.jpg

Repent before the congregation. Tell us how Evil your thoughts were about McDaniels and Orton.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8Q8EreU1zhI/SV44nJGeCmI/AAAAAAAAABA/jzEt72OJn0M/s320/eyeswideshut_redemption.jpg


You shall cast out all good thoughts about what Shanahan had, or what Cutler had.

REPENT

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/tdy-090204-snuggies-crew.jpg


You shall have no other thought than what the OM says

You shall have no other say than what the OM says.

You are now....ONE OF US!

http://www.snuggiecult.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/snugcon5.jpg

..

rbackfactory80
12-05-2011, 07:24 AM
LOL Blindly supporting Tebow. That is pure comedic gold.

You guys need appointments at the optometrist.

The problem with this world is people get so caught up in their expectations that they become blind to unique greatness when it is basically sitting on their faces.

This isn't a Jake Plummer argument. You can't grade Tim as you would grade Tom Brady. He brings something different. It doesn't mean he is a failure or he is any less important to his team.

TailgateNut
12-05-2011, 07:28 AM
Leo you are a fan without a doubt. The most vocal and completely WRONG when it came to evaluating Tebows talent though. You have gone on record time after time saying "Tebow is not the answer at QB" and we just keep winning with him.

Are you ready to repent?

Steve, WTF is wrong with having an opinion? Is it an outdated concept to be able to have opinions which do not mirror the majority?

Oh, ....and BTW: I owe no one any apologies, nor will I REPENT. One of the biggest issues I have wit Tebow and will continue to have is his cultists. ****ing bunch of assclowns.

TonyR
12-05-2011, 07:29 AM
Here's jhns showing his clear understanding of Broncos football yesterday:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3400955&postcount=31

rbackfactory80
12-05-2011, 07:31 AM
Leo you are a fan without a doubt. The most vocal and completely WRONG when it came to evaluating Tebows talent though. You have gone on record time after time saying "Tebow is not the answer at QB" and we just keep winning with him.

Are you ready to repent?

Steve, WTF is wrong with having an opinion? Is it an outdated concept to be able to have opinions which do not mirror the majority?

Oh, ....and BTW: I owe no one any apologies, nor will I REPENT. One of the biggest issues I have wit Tebow and will continue to have is his cultists. ****ing bunch of assclowns.

You might as well find another team then. No question Tebow and his fans are going to be here for the long haul.

jhns
12-05-2011, 07:31 AM
Here's jhns showing his clear understanding of Broncos football yesterday:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3400955&postcount=31

I can see the future.

alkemical
12-05-2011, 07:32 AM
Leo you are a fan without a doubt. The most vocal and completely WRONG when it came to evaluating Tebows talent though. You have gone on record time after time saying "Tebow is not the answer at QB" and we just keep winning with him.

Are you ready to repent?

Steve, WTF is wrong with having an opinion? Is it an outdated concept to be able to have opinions which do not mirror the majority?

Oh, ....and BTW: I owe no one any apologies, nor will I REPENT. One of the biggest issues I have wit Tebow and will continue to have is his cultists. ****ing bunch of assclowns.



https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbCrwApdnvpGmN_gL35jY1gpRLO_xL_ gNSnEqPf0YLLSDocJzG

TailgateNut
12-05-2011, 07:36 AM
[QUOTE=TailgateNut;3404875]

You might as well find another team then. No question Tebow and his fans are going to be here for the long haul.


You might as well suck my ass, cause most likely I have been a diehard Bronco fan for longer than you, and definately do not have a "second team" like many of the bandwagon jerkoffs on this site have.

barryr
12-05-2011, 07:38 AM
And yet you still aren't willing to meet in the middle as the author suggests...

Such as who? You need acceptance from people? Like grow up already.

barryr
12-05-2011, 07:40 AM
Me too.

Who gives a **** that Ponder through for almost 400 yards??? The most meaningful stat is that he turned the ball over THREE times (2 ints, 1 fumble).

If your QB turns the ball over 3 times....more likely than not, you're gonna lose.

But hey, the "expert analysts" love the 350+ yards....that alone means he had the better QB performance......(rolling eyes).

Problem is many people play fantasy football and that clouds their judgment. Tebow, at least before, was not a great pick for fantasy football, so for those, he must not be a good QB.

barryr
12-05-2011, 07:40 AM
[QUOTE=rbackfactory80;3404884]


You might as well suck my ass, cause most likely I have been a diehard Bronco fan for longer than you, and definately do not have a "second team" like many of the bandwagon jerkoffs on this site have.

You were happier when the team was losing since Tebow wasn't playing and that matters more to you.

broncobum6162
12-05-2011, 07:50 AM
Problem is many people play fantasy football and that clouds their judgment. Tebow, at least before, was not a great pick for fantasy football, so for those, he must not be a good QB.

I picked him up during the 1st Sandy Eggo game. Was just waiting for him to start playing. Got him starting on 2 of my 3 teams. No numbers like Brees(who's starting on my other team) but you can't argue w/ the consistency.
ALWAYS 15 plus points!^5

McDman
12-05-2011, 07:56 AM
I picked him up during the 1st Sandy Eggo game. Was just waiting for him to start playing. Got him starting on 2 of my 3 teams. No numbers like Brees(who's starting on my other team) but you can't argue w/ the consistency.
ALWAYS 15 plus points!^5

I've had him awhile as well. He is very consistent.

cutthemdown
12-05-2011, 11:39 AM
Tebow is a top 10 fantasy QB. Not top 5 yet but almost.

ant1999e
12-05-2011, 11:43 AM
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bendog
12-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Problem is many people play fantasy football and that clouds their judgment. Tebow, at least before, was not a great pick for fantasy football, so for those, he must not be a good QB.

That's actually not true. Tebow is fine for FF, esp if you had someone like Vick. Running counts more than passing, and Tebow gets rushing tds too. He's not going replace Rodgers or Brees, but he's better than a lot

http://denver.sbnation.com/denver-broncos/2011/12/3/2607937/yahoo-fantasy-football-week-13-tim-tebow

Meck77
12-05-2011, 01:25 PM
Steve, WTF is wrong with having an opinion? Is it an outdated concept to be able to have opinions which do not mirror the majority?

Oh, ....and BTW: I owe no one any apologies, nor will I REPENT. One of the biggest issues I have wit Tebow and will continue to have is his cultists. ****ing bunch of assclowns.[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion Nut. Fact is your FOOTBALL evaluation of him is flat out wrong. Just one of DOZENS and DOZENS of terrible football takes on Tebow.

11-04-2011, 01:39 AM #529
TailgateNut
Bleedin' orange!




Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mile High
Posts: 19,969

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Howard Griffith

I've tried to point out that he was a waste of valuable draft picks since draft day (actually before the draft I commented that it would be a mistake dressing him in another O+B uniform), and was chastized and flogged for doing so on the pretense that my only motive was his religion. Isn't it funny that I don't have issues with other "religious players"?


But, what-f-ing-ever. Tebonites can kiss my ass. The whole lot of them. He eeked out a lucky (rabbits foot in the ass) win in Miami, after 55 nminutes of **** play and then followed up with the worst performance by an NFL QB since Simms got to play with the pigskin.

The guy is only good for one thing, and it isn't football.




Nut it's a free country and you are certainly welcome to your opinions. You can continue to slam tebow for being a poor QB (even though he hasnt' lost since you started that BS):rofl: and you are welcome to hate him because of his religious beliefs.

Ramble on Nut. I warned you several weeks ago that you might find yourself hating the Tebow wins all the way to the playoffs. It's happening! :tebow::tebow::tebow::tebow::tebow::tebow::bronxro x::bronxrox::bronxrox:

Leo you are missing the enjoyment of a magical season. It's unfolding under your very eyes and refuse to admit it. *shrug*

Gort
12-05-2011, 01:29 PM
He runs like he's stealing a toaster from the mall.

that would be a good photoshop avatar. just sayin'.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203833104577070351117638504.html

errand
12-05-2011, 01:34 PM
Sure. And we almost lost the game because of Goodman's God-awful play through 59 1/2 minutes...........

..yes, just like we almost lost the dolphins game because of Tebow's God-awful play in the first 55 minutes of it...but the bottom line is we didn't.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-05-2011, 03:34 PM
i got a new excuse for tebow winning the wind in the metro dome blew the ball into the receivers hands.
ummm the vikes was blinded by the lights yeah the glare was too much for them

KCStud
12-05-2011, 04:06 PM
Tebow is winning, but who is he beating exactly?

He hasn't beaten an above average team yet. That's why I'm curious to see how he does against the Patriots in a few weeks.

KO5K
12-05-2011, 04:12 PM
Tebow is winning, but who is he beating exactly?

He hasn't beaten an above average team yet. That's why I'm curious to see how he does against the Patriots in a few weeks.


So he has to beat the #1 in the AFC to get any kind of credit?

Dumb.

TotallyScrewed
12-05-2011, 04:14 PM
Tebow is winning, but who is he beating exactly?

He hasn't beaten an above average team yet. That's why I'm curious to see how he does against the Patriots in a few weeks.

The Jets, Oakland, and Cincinati are all 7-5. By definition, that's above average.

Last I've heard, they play the schedule and that means the team at the time. Seems like all teams are subject to the same requirement.

Chicago will (or should) be a good test for the offensive, but that doesn't mean that Denver's defense and special teams won't take matters into their own hands...that's the beauty of a TEAM game and a TEAM that is all about all three phases of the game.

We'll see.

Kid A
12-05-2011, 04:16 PM
Tebow is winning, but who is he beating exactly?

He hasn't beaten an above average team yet. That's why I'm curious to see how he does against the Patriots in a few weeks.

For the Broncos as a whole, I agree, that will be the toughest test. But in terms of facing a good defense, the Bears this week are better than the Pats. We're favored on the basis of the Hanie-Barber "attack" our D has to face, but our offense will get tested.

Where the Pats could carry more pressure for Tebow and the offense is the urgency to score points. Not an unsafe assumption we'll play the conservative game we've thrived on against Chicago, not beating ourselves and be in position to win with < 20 pts.

Looking forward to both, though I think the "should win" status of the Bears game makes it scarier, whereas we have little to lose in the Pats game.

KCStud
12-05-2011, 04:18 PM
The Jets, Oakland, and Cincinati are all 7-5. By definition, that's above average.

Last I've heard, they play the schedule and that means the team at the time. Seems like all teams are subject to the same requirement.

Chicago will (or should) be a good test for the offensive, but that doesn't mean that Denver's defense and special teams won't take matters into their own hands...that's the beauty of a TEAM game and a TEAM that is all about all three phases of the game.

We'll see.

Tebow didn't play the Bengals. And if you think the Raiders or Jets are above average teams this year than you're high.

gunns
12-05-2011, 04:36 PM
Tebow doubters can no longer claim that Denver won despite Tebow.

Today, Denver won BECAUSE of Tebow.

Everytime Tebow would lead Denver down the field for a touchdown to get Denver close, Minnesota would respond and counter with a score of their own.

Denver HAD to have Tebow play well to have a chance. Because the defense had a bad game. He played his best game of his young career. Denver won. Tebow's doubters will have to change their views of him in order to maintain any shred of credibility.

As a doubter I will say Tebow definitely played a roll in the outcome. Watching him play in person I have found the following things to be true.

1. Tebow is not a traditional QB. Tebow's first half throws were horrible and it has nothing to do with playing calling, bad WR's, etc.

2. Tebow's few throws in the second half were very good and were where he made his contribution to the game. The one was spot on in the corner of the endzone and the one to DT reminded me of Elway's prowess at escaping. While I knew he was going to run the 2 pt conversion in I was impressed at the fake he pulled and then plowed forward.

3. There is no denying what Tebow brings to the team. Sometimes it's hard to put into words exactly what it is but there's no denying there is something.

4. In the second half the entire team woke up and seemed to move the ball at will.

5. There is also no denying that the defense is a vital part of the Bronco victories. While Tebow had brought the team back to tie it up, it was the defense on the field to turn the tide. With little time left I could see the Vikings running the clock out or being successful in scoring. Those INT's were vital to the outcome and it was a back and forth affair without Miller.

I'm beginning to believe in this team as a whole, Tebow and all. But I still find threads like this lend to the belief that it is ALL Tebow and it's not. I don't know that the team would have the wins they do without him but I do not think they would have the wins without this defense either. There were tons of Bronco fans at this game, and a lot of Tebow fans. Two sat in front of us and didn't even pay attention to the game until Tebow was on the field. I think that's where my problem is with people who make threads like this and sit at games for only Tebow. Bronco fans? I think not. Broncos win games, not JUST Tebow.

TotallyScrewed
12-05-2011, 04:56 PM
Tebow didn't play the Bengals. And if you think the Raiders or Jets are above average teams this year than you're high.

Okay, you did say Tebow. Sorry that I was thinking Broncos. I'm a TEAM guy...oops.

None the less, 7-5 is above average...that doesn't mean that they'll end up above average. Chicago is a perfect example, they lose two stars (Cutler and Forte) and suddenly their not even average...that doesn't mean they weren't above average. Savvy??

Mouth
12-05-2011, 04:59 PM
The problem is that the loudest people are on the extreme edges of the argument and that is all we hear. There are plenty of Bronco fans out there that think Tebow is a young QB, with great heart, a will to win, some help from the D, and a 6-1 record. We just don't shout at everybody who disagrees with us. It's kinda like John Stewart's rally to restore sanity, without any political overtones. I wonder if we can have a forum "We think Tebow is good, but this is a team game so we're just glad the broncos are winning"

Vine
12-05-2011, 05:03 PM
As a doubter I will say Tebow definitely played a roll in the outcome. Watching him play in person I have found the following things to be true.

1. Tebow is not a traditional QB. Tebow's first half throws were horrible and it has nothing to do with playing calling, bad WR's, etc.

2. Tebow's few throws in the second half were very good and were where he made his contribution to the game. The one was spot on in the corner of the endzone and the one to DT reminded me of Elway's prowess at escaping. While I knew he was going to run the 2 pt conversion in I was impressed at the fake he pulled and then plowed forward.

3. There is no denying what Tebow brings to the team. Sometimes it's hard to put into words exactly what it is but there's no denying there is something.

4. In the second half the entire team woke up and seemed to move the ball at will.

5. There is also no denying that the defense is a vital part of the Bronco victories. While Tebow had brought the team back to tie it up, it was the defense on the field to turn the tide. With little time left I could see the Vikings running the clock out or being successful in scoring. Those INT's were vital to the outcome and it was a back and forth affair without Miller.

I'm beginning to believe in this team as a whole, Tebow and all. But I still find threads like this lend to the belief that it is ALL Tebow and it's not. I don't know that the team would have the wins they do without him but I do not think they would have the wins without this defense either. There were tons of Bronco fans at this game, and a lot of Tebow fans. Two sat in front of us and didn't even pay attention to the game until Tebow was on the field. I think that's where my problem is with people who make threads like this and sit at games for only Tebow. Bronco fans? I think not. Broncos win games, not JUST Tebow.

True, gunner, but this thread is aimed SOLELY at the people who have doubted Tebow as even an NFL QUARTERBACK, let alone a NFL QB that can win a game or two, let alone an NFL QB that can make a run for the playoffs, let alone an NFL QB that can possibly win the division, etc, etc, etc. I just want to see every and all Tebow doubters eat some ****ing crow. And true, its a team game, but Tebow has a very indirect result on the improvement of the team in other areas, just because of Tebow's ability to get his teammates to play more inspired football.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-05-2011, 05:06 PM
The problem is that the loudest people are on the extreme edges of the argument and that is all we hear. There are plenty of Bronco fans out there that think Tebow is a young QB, with great heart, a will to win, some help from the D, and a 6-1 record. We just don't shout at everybody who disagrees with us. It's kinda like John Stewart's rally to restore sanity, without any political overtones. I wonder if we can have a forum "We think Tebow is good, but this is a team game so we're just glad the broncos are winning"

You really are new here.

gunns
12-05-2011, 05:21 PM
Problem is many people play fantasy football and that clouds their judgment. Tebow, at least before, was not a great pick for fantasy football, so for those, he must not be a good QB.

As usual you're wrong. Your statement is as stupid as those who post Tebow's college stats to try and show he's a great NFL QB. There are many who have a hard time categorizing Tebow as a QB who pick him up as the points in their league make Tebow a find. You obviously know nothing about it. And most do not determine a player good or bad based on points achieved in fantasy football. Clay Matthews is a very good player but I won't touch him in fantasy football. Don't make comments about things you know nothing about. Of course then we may never have to read a post by you. Bummer.

KCStud
12-05-2011, 05:29 PM
Okay, you did say Tebow. Sorry that I was thinking Broncos. I'm a TEAM guy...oops.

None the less, 7-5 is above average...that doesn't mean that they'll end up above average. Chicago is a perfect example, they lose two stars (Cutler and Forte) and suddenly their not even average...that doesn't mean they weren't above average. Savvy??

That is true, but Cutler and Forte won't be playing next week. Chicago is going to Denver fighting with an offense that has both of their arms behind their back.

Mouth
12-05-2011, 05:30 PM
You really are new here.

I'm an eternal optimist I guess lol.

Mouth

gunns
12-05-2011, 05:37 PM
Tebow is winning, but who is he beating exactly?

He hasn't beaten an above average team yet. That's why I'm curious to see how he does against the Patriots in a few weeks.

Well at least he's helping the team win against the below average teams like it should be. See Miami. Makes me thrilled we never got Cassel.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-05-2011, 05:37 PM
heres all you need to know Orton 1-4 Tebow 6-1

TailgateNut
12-05-2011, 05:40 PM
Steve, WTF is wrong with having an opinion? Is it an outdated concept to be able to have opinions which do not mirror the majority?

Oh, ....and BTW: I owe no one any apologies, nor will I REPENT. One of the biggest issues I have wit Tebow and will continue to have is his cultists. ****ing bunch of assclowns.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion Nut. Fact is your FOOTBALL evaluation of him is flat out wrong. Just one of DOZENS and DOZENS of terrible football takes on Tebow.

11-04-2011, 01:39 AM #529
TailgateNut
Bleedin' orange!




Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mile High
Posts: 19,969

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Howard Griffith

I've tried to point out that he was a waste of valuable draft picks since draft day (actually before the draft I commented that it would be a mistake dressing him in another O+B uniform), and was chastized and flogged for doing so on the pretense that my only motive was his religion. Isn't it funny that I don't have issues with other "religious players"?


But, what-f-ing-ever. Tebonites can kiss my ass. The whole lot of them. He eeked out a lucky (rabbits foot in the ass) win in Miami, after 55 nminutes of **** play and then followed up with the worst performance by an NFL QB since Simms got to play with the pigskin.

The guy is only good for one thing, and it isn't football.




Nut it's a free country and you are certainly welcome to your opinions. You can continue to slam tebow for being a poor QB (even though he hasnt' lost since you started that BS):rofl: and you are welcome to hate him because of his religious beliefs.

Ramble on Nut. I warned you several weeks ago that you might find yourself hating the Tebow wins all the way to the playoffs. It's happening! :tebow::tebow::tebow::tebow::tebow::tebow::bronxro x::bronxrox::bronxrox:

Leo you are missing the enjoyment of a magical season. It's unfolding under your very eyes and refuse to admit it. *shrug*[/QUOTE]


Don't you have someone else you can stalk? It seems that people think I don't support the Broncos because I don't stand in line to suck Timmy's cock.

I don't see any of you assclowns attending every damn game. Even the TimBoy fans who live in Denver. So take a big dose of STFU and cram it!

Oh, and BTW, I am not missing out on anything. Contrary to popular belief.

yerner
12-05-2011, 05:40 PM
Tebow is winning, but who is he beating exactly?

He hasn't beaten an above average team yet. That's why I'm curious to see how he does against the Patriots in a few weeks.

Quiet down. Rationale was so 2005 mane. We don't do that here anymore.

KCStud
12-05-2011, 06:46 PM
Well at least he's helping the team win against the below average teams like it should be. See Miami. Makes me thrilled we never got Cassel.

This is true, but you can also say that McDaniels got his QB in the end anyway.