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SoCalBronco
12-04-2011, 01:22 PM
Nice going, kid. Keep it up. Big play after big play. Good to see him developing some explosive chemistry with Tim.

Sir_Robin
12-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Surprisingly good. Tebow's critics will disappear for good once we have a high caliber receiver.

Ratboy
12-04-2011, 01:24 PM
I hope he can continue this.

His size and speed is what we need to go all the way. Decker and Thomas?

Just win, baby!!

Inkana7
12-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Timmy was accurate as **** today and the Vikings couldn't deal with Demariyus. It was beautiful.

wolf754life
12-04-2011, 01:25 PM
he is just starting to get healthy...........

ludo21
12-04-2011, 01:25 PM
blown coverages on a couple of those....

but if he can continue this healthiness up. Our PASSING Offense will be a force as well!

Rohirrim
12-04-2011, 01:26 PM
Nice going, kid. Keep it up. Big play after big play. Good to see him developing some explosive chemistry with Tim.

Tougher for a receiver to come in with no camp, then switch QBs while fighting injuries. They're starting to gel. It will only get better.

Dagmar
12-04-2011, 01:26 PM
Looks like McD's 2 1st rounders in 2010 may work out?

Ratboy
12-04-2011, 01:26 PM
Surprisingly good. Tebow's critics will disappear for good once we have a high caliber receiver.

Seriously one of Tebow's best games.

If we can add another receiver, tight end, and a full offseason for Tebow we will be good.

Ratboy
12-04-2011, 01:27 PM
He should have caught the ball in the endzone. It was tough, but that's what he's paid to do.

Other then that. Awesome game.

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 01:27 PM
88 is a major weapon

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 01:29 PM
That play where Tebow stiff-armed the minnesota defender, rifled the ball while falling out of bounds right into DT's chest and then DT turned, made the first guy miss and then carried the crowd into the endzone...that was one of the best offensive plays I have seen from the Broncos in a long time.

That One Guy
12-04-2011, 01:31 PM
It was awesome but I thought Tebow was much more instrumental in those plays than him. They let him go free so he just had to turn and sit. He did well on the TD run to shake people but on his 2nd one, he veered to the safety whereas if he runs away from him, he may go free. Willis scored it right afterward but it was just a strange play. The dropped ball was a hard catch but I thought he had it so I got my hopes up.

Good to see him show up but I just don't think it was anything more than being in the right place at the right time. Why they kept blowing coverage is anyone's guess.

Very glad to see him making catches rather than Royal, though.

That One Guy
12-04-2011, 01:32 PM
That play where Tebow stiff-armed the minnesota defender, rifled the ball while falling out of bounds right into DT's chest and then DT turned, made the first guy miss and then carried the crowd into the endzone...that was one of the best offensive plays I have seen from the Broncos in a long time.

Almost as good as Marshall's rookie year... maybe the Seattle game?

It was a pretty good play.

gyldenlove
12-04-2011, 01:32 PM
That play where Tebow stiff-armed the minnesota defender, rifled the ball while falling out of bounds right into DT's chest and then DT turned, made the first guy missed and then carried the crowd into the endzone...that was one of the best offensive plays I have seen from the Broncos in a long time.

That **** was Roethlisbergeresque, pure sandlot football but impossible to defend. That is what Tebow can do that nobody else can do, extend a play beyond any reasonable limit and give himself and the team a shot at making a big play out of nothing, the fact that DT took it to the house like a ****ing boss just makes it even better.

Swedish Extrovert
12-04-2011, 01:33 PM
I like what we're looking at, actually:

Thomas as our deep guy.
Decker as our underneath/slot guy.
Royal as our flanker/reverse/triple read option guy.

SureShot
12-04-2011, 01:33 PM
Way to prove me wrong. Keep it up!

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2011, 01:34 PM
That **** was Roethlisbergeresque, pure sandlot football but impossible to defend. That is what Tebow can do that nobody else can do, extend a play beyond any reasonable limit and give himself and the team a shot at making a big play out of nothing, the fact that DT took it to the house like a ****ing boss just makes it even better.

When they just rolled that defense on that play, I was pretty sure that we were going to win.

RaiderH8r
12-04-2011, 01:34 PM
Tougher for a receiver to come in with no camp, then switch QBs while fighting injuries. They're starting to gel. It will only get better.

That's what I keep saying. We're on House money and getting better. Building a foundation and getting a taste of winning for these guys. It's good stuff.

Kid A
12-04-2011, 01:35 PM
While I worry about the D getting a little exposed by Gerhart and Harvin, the emergence of Thomas and Tebow being laser accurate made the takeaways overwhelmingly positive.

snowspot66
12-04-2011, 01:36 PM
He should have caught the ball in the endzone. It was tough, but that's what he's paid to do.

Other then that. Awesome game.

I think he would catch it 50/50. The defender made a good play too.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 01:36 PM
DT caught passes wide open today, nice!!!! Minn bottom worst pass def in nfl. The td run was nice, broken ankle out there.

Huge impact today! ;-)

SoCalBronco
12-04-2011, 01:38 PM
That play where Tebow stiff-armed the minnesota defender, rifled the ball while falling out of bounds right into DT's chest and then DT turned, made the first guy miss and then carried the crowd into the endzone...that was one of the best offensive plays I have seen from the Broncos in a long time.

Agreed. Amazing to watch.

HAT
12-04-2011, 01:39 PM
That **** was Roethlisbergeresque, pure sandlot football but impossible to defend. That is what Tebow can do that nobody else can do

???

Jay3
12-04-2011, 01:41 PM
Is it me, or did Bay Bay look gigantic out there? Not figuratively. I mean literally. Every time he came into the camera field, I thought Tim had thrown to a tight end.

Carmelo15
12-04-2011, 01:42 PM
That **** was Roethlisbergeresque, pure sandlot football but impossible to defend. That is what Tebow can do that nobody else can do, extend a play beyond any reasonable limit and give himself and the team a shot at making a big play out of nothing, the fact that DT took it to the house like a ****ing boss just makes it even better.

I remember after that play, Brian Billick (previosuly a prudent non-Tebow believer), laughs and says, "ok I'm in!"

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 01:51 PM
Is it me, or did Bay Bay look gigantic out there? Not figuratively. I mean literally. Every time he came into the camera field, I thought Tim had thrown to a tight end.

88 is a bigtime weapon. He's why they let Gaffney and Lloyd go.

strafen
12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
I like what I saw.

Chris
12-04-2011, 02:19 PM
Wasn't sure if his speed was back because the first few catches looked like blown coverage. Definitely a nice juke for the first score. Man... a lot of things are going right for us for a change.

Dagmar
12-04-2011, 02:25 PM
I remember after that play, Brian Billick (previosuly a prudent non-Tebow believer), laughs and says, "ok I'm in!"

If ESPN was a real sports channel instead of TMZ for sports tomorrow they'd FORCE Hodge to analyze that game and every pass live on First Take.

Orange4Life
12-04-2011, 02:27 PM
I'm no football expert but I think the blown coverages had a lot to do with the D being so focused on the run. If we can hit those passes on top of our run game we are going to be hell to defend.

Drek
12-04-2011, 02:54 PM
Wasn't sure if his speed was back because the first few catches looked like blown coverage. Definitely a nice juke for the first score. Man... a lot of things are going right for us for a change.

His speed still isn't all the way back, but getting there. This is why we took him in the first round. He's got elite size, strenght, agility, and when given this off-season to really focus on his conditioning he'll be back to the same elite speed he had pre-injury.

This season is pure gravy. Next year is when this group will really turn it on. A full team coordinated off-season of Tebow, D. Thomas, Decker, J.Thomas, etc. all getting to work together. Clady, Beadles, Walton, Kuper, and Franklin all getting an off-season to work together. This offense will really start to find its identity then.

Drek
12-04-2011, 02:55 PM
I'm no football expert but I think the blown coverages had a lot to do with the D being so focused on the run. If we can hit those passes on top of our run game we are going to be hell to defend.

Billick kept calling it blown coverage but to me it looked like a secondary that grossly underestimated Thomas' ability to separate and Tebow's ability to find him when he did. Safety help was coming over to Thomas before the pass was in the air on most of his big catches. The corner just let him go too soon and Tebow was ready for it every time.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 02:57 PM
I like what we're looking at, actually:

Thomas as our deep guy.
Decker as our underneath/slot guy.
Royal as our flanker/reverse/triple read option guy.

I'm looking at us letting Royal go and getting a real receiver to replace him.

razorwire77
12-04-2011, 03:00 PM
Billick kept calling it blown coverage but to me it looked like a secondary that grossly underestimated Thomas' ability to separate and Tebow's ability to find him when he did. Safety help was coming over to Thomas before the pass was in the air on most of his big catches. The corner just let him go too soon and Tebow was ready for it every time.

I think so too. The first TD was a blown coverage, but I think he outran the safety help on the deep ball and Tebow threw a couple of beautiful passes.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:01 PM
Billick kept calling it blown coverage but to me it looked like a secondary that grossly underestimated Thomas' ability to separate and Tebow's ability to find him when he did. Safety help was coming over to Thomas before the pass was in the air on most of his big catches. The corner just let him go too soon and Tebow was ready for it every time.

They weren't blown coverages so much as a defense having no idea DT could do that to them. And Tebow made them pay every time, which is what a great QB does. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't just throw incredible passes into tight coverage. He finds open guys where the defense has made a mistake and makes them pay.

teknic
12-04-2011, 03:03 PM
Is it me, or did Bay Bay look gigantic out there? Not figuratively. I mean literally. Every time he came into the camera field, I thought Tim had thrown to a tight end.

He sure moved like a little guy on that juke on his TD catch when Tebow rolled out. Breaking ankles out there, I like seeing that kind of speed from DT after his injuries.

Hope he can keep it up and prove me wrong about his career!:thumbs:

Rohirrim
12-04-2011, 03:06 PM
His speed still isn't all the way back, but getting there. This is why we took him in the first round. He's got elite size, strenght, agility, and when given this off-season to really focus on his conditioning he'll be back to the same elite speed he had pre-injury.

This season is pure gravy. Next year is when this group will really turn it on. A full team coordinated off-season of Tebow, D. Thomas, Decker, J.Thomas, etc. all getting to work together. Clady, Beadles, Walton, Kuper, and Franklin all getting an off-season to work together. This offense will really start to find its identity then.

Exactly. It wouldn't hurt to pick up a burner like Kendall Wright either.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 03:09 PM
Looked like cover 2 on fades, no safety help on the sideline. Dum dum dumb dummmm


DTs problem is his effort, brains, and route running.

Drek
12-04-2011, 03:19 PM
I think so too. The first TD was a blown coverage, but I think he outran the safety help on the deep ball and Tebow threw a couple of beautiful passes.

Exactly. The first one the safety never even broke over until Thomas had the ball. But all the rest the safety was coming to pick him up, he just underestimated how quickly Thomas would get down field and so did the corner. Tebow recognized the mismatch.

We aren't discounting Ponder's day because he worked Goodman over and over again and threw picks and incomplete passes most of the time when he looked elsewhere. Why would we discount Tebow and Bey Bey for exploiting DBs who obviously weren't physically or mentally up to snuff with what the two of them brought today?

cartel
12-04-2011, 03:23 PM
They weren't blown coverages so much as a defense having no idea DT could do that to them. And Tebow made them pay every time, which is what a great QB does. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't just throw incredible passes into tight coverage. He finds open guys where the defense has made a mistake and makes them pay.

What they were keying on was the skinny post to Decker. Corner release and safety thinking Tebow was going to his favorite target this year, Thomas was open each time. Thomas was Tebow's first option each time. Great throws but not that difficult.

Agamemnon
12-04-2011, 03:23 PM
88 is a bigtime weapon. He's why they let Gaffney and Lloyd go.

Because having WR depth is a bad thing...

BroncoLover
12-04-2011, 03:46 PM
He should have caught the ball in the endzone. It was tough, but that's what he's paid to do.

Other then that. Awesome game.

Agreed, with game on the line. That catch in end zone would have made it a real good game for him.

vonqkilla
12-04-2011, 05:34 PM
It's almost as if he didn't believe the ball would be there...


http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_19465889?source=commented-#ixzz1fZQOp4RX

Read where it says a couple wrs still doubt Tebow.

montrose
12-04-2011, 05:39 PM
He said after the game he's feeling better each week and he felt like his old, college-self today. I was ****ed at him for wiffing the block on Royal's little cross-field run that would've gotten a 1st round and his laziness the last few weeks has been well documented. Extremely suprising to me considering where he came from at Georgie Tech - known as a dominating blocker at WR and team-first guy that didn't transfer when the triple-option was put in place.

McCoy said on the Playbook special that they've sought out Tebow and Thomas' input in the offense because of their experience in it. DT's also the only WR on this team that understands the concept of breaking off your route and getting open when the play breaks down (I'm looking at you Decker). He's also the closest WR to Tebow personally so I figure he should be a good fit once he gets healthy.

Looks like McD's 2 1st rounders in 2010 may work out?

At this point is 2010 draft in general doesn't look all too bad with Bay-Bay, Tebow, Beadles, Decker and Walton. If Perrish hadn't forced his Cox , there'd be another starter.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-04-2011, 05:43 PM
Thomas had a nice game and capitalized on most of his opportunities. I haven't re-watched the game, but I got the initial impression that he was giving a much better effort blocking down field as well. He certainly doesn't have the suddenness that was so apparent last year. Hopefully that comes back in time. The deep threat of a healthy Thomas combined with Tebow will put an incredible strain on the opposing defense.

enjolras
12-04-2011, 06:26 PM
Thomas had a nice game and capitalized on most of his opportunities. I haven't re-watched the game, but I got the initial impression that he was giving a much better effort blocking down field as well. He certainly doesn't have the suddenness that was so apparent last year. Hopefully that comes back in time. The deep threat of a healthy Thomas combined with Tebow will put an incredible strain on the opposing defense.

There was a play early in the game where DT could have done a much job on a 3rd down crossing route to Royal. He honestly looks lost blocking down the field. I don't think its so much that he doesn't want to, I think he's not really sure where to position himself.

That One Guy
12-04-2011, 06:28 PM
They weren't blown coverages so much as a defense having no idea DT could do that to them. And Tebow made them pay every time, which is what a great QB does. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't just throw incredible passes into tight coverage. He finds open guys where the defense has made a mistake and makes them pay.

Did they expect him to just drop the balls? The TD run was a good one but the others were pretty plain and unspectacular after the catch. What exactly did they not think DT could do?

If that wasn't blown coverage, I have to question the intent behind letting ANY WR hang free in the secondary with noone within 5 yds.

Drek
12-04-2011, 06:54 PM
Did they expect him to just drop the balls? The TD run was a good one but the others were pretty plain and unspectacular after the catch. What exactly did they not think DT could do?

If that wasn't blown coverage, I have to question the intent behind letting ANY WR hang free in the secondary with noone within 5 yds.

They didn't believe he could get past the CB that quickly and that the safety could spend more time focused on Decker in the seam.

Do you really believe that both starting corners and safeties blew the exact same coverage scheme nearly a half dozen times against Thomas today? Or is it more realistic that they made a miscalculation when designing how to cover our WRs?

They didn't respect Thomas' speed, probably type classed him when they saw a 6'3", 220 pound WR and assumed he couldn't beat them deep. Instead he showed that he had the speed to get behind the CB and open a hole before the safety could rotate over and Tebow made it quite clear that he can recognize those kinds of coverage issues and take advantage of them.

BlueCrusher
12-04-2011, 06:56 PM
That **** was Roethlisbergeresque, pure sandlot football but impossible to defend. That is what Tebow can do that nobody else can do, extend a play beyond any reasonable limit and give himself and the team a shot at making a big play out of nothing, the fact that DT took it to the house like a ****ing boss just makes it even better.

Did you hear thunder when you said Tebow was like Roethlisberger?

Jekyll15Hyde
12-04-2011, 06:57 PM
blown coverages on a couple of those....



This. I was happy he finally showed up but 3 of his 4 catches were blown coverages. He still had to catch them and the fact he didnt F them up is an improvement

Jekyll15Hyde
12-04-2011, 07:01 PM
They weren't blown coverages so much as a defense having no idea DT could do that to them. And Tebow made them pay every time, which is what a great QB does. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't just throw incredible passes into tight coverage. He finds open guys where the defense has made a mistake and makes them pay.

you have no clue how to look at the D is covering/lined up and how they are defending that play

BroncsCheer
12-04-2011, 07:35 PM
Coverage shifts toward Decker was all it was, guys. Decker has been the only receiver that has caught any passes since he took over as QB, and Minny's DC coached the tendencies.

This time, Tebow was looking for DT and made the throws.

I loved the mini-beastmode he pulled on that first TD - looking forward to seeing more of that!

That One Guy
12-04-2011, 07:42 PM
They didn't believe he could get past the CB that quickly and that the safety could spend more time focused on Decker in the seam.

Do you really believe that both starting corners and safeties blew the exact same coverage scheme nearly a half dozen times against Thomas today? Or is it more realistic that they made a miscalculation when designing how to cover our WRs?

They didn't respect Thomas' speed, probably type classed him when they saw a 6'3", 220 pound WR and assumed he couldn't beat them deep. Instead he showed that he had the speed to get behind the CB and open a hole before the safety could rotate over and Tebow made it quite clear that he can recognize those kinds of coverage issues and take advantage of them.

I'm neither egotistical nor smart enough to state you're wrong but I just don't think logic supports that idea. It seems more likely, to me, that since half their secondary was missing, there was just miscommunication as to where exactly that safety should've been lining up. I just don't see a safety and CB defecting to cover Decker on a quick slant when Tebow did nothing to trick them into doing so. The first one (the TD) was clearly where they moved up when they thought he was scrambling but the other two seemed like the players just weren't where they were supposed to be.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-04-2011, 07:48 PM
It's almost as if the defense has to account for Tebow as a runner, and maintain assignments against the option. To my total amazement, that creates inherent weaknesses in pass coverage. Who could have ever imagined such a thing possible.

BroncoBen
12-04-2011, 07:51 PM
It's almost as if the defense has to account for Tebow as a runner, and maintain assignments against the option. To my total amazement, that creates inherent weaknesses in pass coverage. Who could have ever imagined such a thing possible.

Lol.. good one Radio

vonqkilla
12-05-2011, 05:58 AM
Like I said earlier, cover 2, safeties didnt help on fades to sideline. Playing cover 2 vs TT is stupid, he loves to stretch the field.

Lestat
12-05-2011, 08:01 AM
if this kid can just stay healthy and get it to click mentally. my word he could be a smarter version of Brandon Marshall.

Kaylore
12-05-2011, 08:06 AM
It's almost as if the defense has to account for Tebow as a runner, and maintain assignments against the option. To my total amazement, that creates inherent weaknesses in pass coverage. Who could have ever imagined such a thing possible.

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Kaylore
12-05-2011, 08:07 AM
FWIW It was good to see Thomas catch some passes and make some big plays. It was NOT good seeing him still refuse to block down field. I wonder if he broke his finger blocking and now he's scared...

Spider
12-05-2011, 08:11 AM
blown coverages on a couple of those....

but if he can continue this healthiness up. Our PASSING Offense will be a force as well!

well you can thank Tebow and the entire Broncos offense for that , it is clear the Vikes focused on the option offense an when we went to a 2 back system , the Vikes d was lost , and you cant blame em , if the Vikes had went to defend the 2 back offense, we go right back to the option ...... Powerful offense we have ;) ...cant wait till next weeks game ......

MplsBronco
12-05-2011, 08:22 AM
I think he would catch it 50/50. The defender made a good play too.

Assuming this is the 3rd down play at the goalline. I was lucky enough to be at the game in the 9th row in that corner! Thomas stopped his route/studder stepped for some reason and that was just enough to screw up the play. The ball was right on the money.

R8R H8R
12-05-2011, 09:01 AM
This was not blown coverage. Coach Mangini broke down both DT td's this morning on First Take. Highly recommend getting a hold of this vid if u can. It is excellent in learning how Tebow and this offense can confuse defenses.

He says the vikes were in cover 2 for both plays, and Tebow and DT burned them both times. The 1st td came because Tebow froze the def by staring down Decker who was doubled. Tebow then did what good QB's do, he went back to DT and burned them. It just looked like a blown coverage because of how well it worked.

The 2nd TD Tebow again froze the def, but in a dif way. This time he froze them by threat of the run. DT gets a ton of credit for breaking off his route two times. He was wide open because the defenders had to react to Tebow and they left DT alone. Big mistake, indeed.

Anyway, Tebow is growing up in this offense right before our eyes, and the scary thing is, for other teams, he's just scratched the surface in reading defenses and taking advantage of the defense's mistakes in the game.

Lestat
12-05-2011, 09:12 AM
it shouldn't scare him, he did it all the time in college. he should be used to it so much by now that it should be second nature to him.
FWIW It was good to see Thomas catch some passes and make some big plays. It was NOT good seeing him still refuse to block down field. I wonder if he broke his finger blocking and now he's scared...

That One Guy
12-05-2011, 10:16 AM
This was not blown coverage. Coach Mangini broke down both DT td's this morning on First Take. Highly recommend getting a hold of this vid if u can. It is excellent in learning how Tebow and this offense can confuse defenses.

He says the vikes were in cover 2 for both plays, and Tebow and DT burned them both times. The 1st td came because Tebow froze the def by staring down Decker who was doubled. Tebow then did what good QB's do, he went back to DT and burned them. It just looked like a blown coverage because of how well it worked.

The 2nd TD Tebow again froze the def, but in a dif way. This time he froze them by threat of the run. DT gets a ton of credit for breaking off his route two times. He was wide open because the defenders had to react to Tebow and they left DT alone. Big mistake, indeed.

Anyway, Tebow is growing up in this offense right before our eyes, and the scary thing is, for other teams, he's just scratched the surface in reading defenses and taking advantage of the defense's mistakes in the game.

The scramble TD is obvious. They break off to get a scrambling Tebow.

The other one (video is here (http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d824b82fe/Tebow-fires-back)) I guess I can maybe believe he was baiting them by staring down another receiver but at that area of the field, the DB is an idiot for looking into the backfield and trying to play off his assignment. There's enough people and they're close enough to the EZ that it's a pipe dream to think he's going to stop anything if they go anywhere but to DT. So it's a vague term that probably applies to everything but I still say it's either a blown coverage or a horribly blown assignment by that corner trying to be a hero. The fact that it was similar to other plays tells me it was more scheme and less freelance.

EDIT: Another possibility that just occurred to me is that when Griffin drops underneath, he might've been suspecting Tebow was going to scramble. The corner on DT may have either saw a player cutting in his peripheral and moved in or maybe was supposed to pass him off to Griffin who had tried to jump the scramble.

Inkana7
12-05-2011, 11:57 AM
Yeah, there was no blown coverages. We were running a lot of 4-vertical concepts against the Cover-2 and the Vikings played it very poorly, Thomas beat the jam with ease, and Tebow made the right read (I think on the 3rd 40-yarder Tebow actually looked off the safety which was nice).

gyldenlove
12-05-2011, 12:00 PM
Yeah, there was no blown coverages. We were running a lot of 4-vertical concepts against the Cover-2 and the Vikings played it very poorly, Thomas beat the jam with ease, and Tebow made the right read (I think on the 3rd 40-yarder Tebow actually looked off the safety which was nice).

To be fair the Vikings do not have a single starter in the secondary, it is by a mile the worst pass defense in the league.

vonqkilla
12-05-2011, 12:02 PM
Anyone watch walking dead midseaaon finale? Great show.

Broncbow
12-05-2011, 12:10 PM
He sure moved like a little guy on that juke on his TD catch when Tebow rolled out. Breaking ankles out there, I like seeing that kind of speed from DT after his injuries.

Hope he can keep it up and prove me wrong about his career!:thumbs:

Whose ankle did DT brake @ 2:30?

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That One Guy
12-05-2011, 12:11 PM
To be fair the Vikings do not have a single starter in the secondary, it is by a mile the worst pass defense in the league.

NE is always looking to one up everyone. From an article I just saw on PFT:

Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald points out that the Patriots started three new players out of nowhere on their defense Sunday against the Colts, including a wide receiver. That wide receiver wasnít Julian Edelman.

Starting at safety against Indy: Nathan Jones and Matthew Slater. Jones was signed last week. Slater is a wide receiver and special teams player. He moved to safety last week. (He played safety sparingly at college at UCLA.)

The fun doesnít stop there. The team started Niko Koutouvides at linebacker. The career special teamer hasnít started a game on defense since 2004. Heís on his fourth team in the last five years.

I'd take backup players over players changing positions, I think. And Niko. Ha!

mkporter
12-05-2011, 02:36 PM
He should have caught the ball in the endzone. It was tough, but that's what he's paid to do.

Other then that. Awesome game.

Agreed. It looked like he slowed down a little, not expecting the ball to be on target, which it was. Had he kept running, it would've been an easier catch.

mkporter
12-05-2011, 02:39 PM
Assuming this is the 3rd down play at the goalline. I was lucky enough to be at the game in the 9th row in that corner! Thomas stopped his route/studder stepped for some reason and that was just enough to screw up the play. The ball was right on the money.

That's exactly what I saw on TV.

OrangeSe7en
12-05-2011, 02:42 PM
I like what we're looking at, actually:

Thomas as our deep guy.
Decker as our underneath/slot guy.
Royal as our flanker/reverse/triple read option guy.

I'm starting to wonder if they should start playing Willis more instead of Royal. He seems to catch more and have a better rapport with Tebow. Plus Royal might be leaving.

razorwire77
12-05-2011, 02:53 PM
FWIW It was good to see Thomas catch some passes and make some big plays. It was NOT good seeing him still refuse to block down field. I wonder if he broke his finger blocking and now he's scared...

I noticed that too. A kid with his size, strength and athleticism should be Vincent Jacksoning people. I wonder what percent he's playing at. He still plays pretty tentative, which is redeculez considering the type of game he had yesterday.

Eldorado
12-05-2011, 03:11 PM
Whose ankle did DT brake @ 2:30?

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Jamarca Sanford, I believe.

pikkiwoki
12-05-2011, 06:14 PM
This was not blown coverage. Coach Mangini broke down both DT td's this morning on First Take. Highly recommend getting a hold of this vid if u can. It is excellent in learning how Tebow and this offense can confuse defenses.

He says the vikes were in cover 2 for both plays, and Tebow and DT burned them both times. The 1st td came because Tebow froze the def by staring down Decker who was doubled. Tebow then did what good QB's do, he went back to DT and burned them. It just looked like a blown coverage because of how well it worked.

The 2nd TD Tebow again froze the def, but in a dif way. This time he froze them by threat of the run. DT gets a ton of credit for breaking off his route two times. He was wide open because the defenders had to react to Tebow and they left DT alone. Big mistake, indeed.

Anyway, Tebow is growing up in this offense right before our eyes, and the scary thing is, for other teams, he's just scratched the surface in reading defenses and taking advantage of the defense's mistakes in the game.

Mangini's film breakdown of DT's two TD's:

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