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RhymesayersDU
12-03-2011, 09:01 AM
I've never been more pleased to start this thread. I'm STOKED for hoops to be back. With that said, the stories...

http://sportributor.com/assets/images/2011/07/2011-nba-lockout-300x268.jpg

The lockout is over! Good to be back, and Starting off on Christmas will be pretty cool I think. I mean, my opinion is certainly skewed, because I was always going to come back no matter what. But I'm excited to not lose too many games, and be back and playing. We never really discussed it on the board I don't think, but I was on the owner's side, to an extent. I don't care how much these guys make, I really don't. Give the players 100% of the BRI for all I care. My issue was I thought there needed to be fundamental changes to how the NBA does business; a hard cap, less guaranteed contracts, maybe a franchise tag so players can't hold franchises hostage. A more NFL-esque model. Moving on...



http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/kPjjQg6ilP4UNXOpxVF50g--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NyPTA7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcA--/http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ac/04/fullj.f55442cc01245c3db9116206610e4f86/105823370.0http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/06/25/174044/DwightHowardFinalsDunk1.jpg

Speaking of holding franchises hostage, both of these guys will be on the move it looks like. Awesome. Who knows where they go or what the compensation will be like. Speaking of a team that dealt it's star player last year...



http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Arron+Afflalo+Ty+Lawson+Oklahoma+City+Thunder+Ek1e xwdYVjpl.jpg

...We come to the boys in blue. Are we a player or two away? Yeah. Do we need a "superstar?" Maybe. But I like our team. Real young, and hopefully they can improve. Love Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo. Definitely need Danilo to step his game up. Very excited to see rookies Kenneth Faried and Jordan Hamilton. Kenyon and J.R. are in China, but they were never going to re-sign anyways. Having Wilson Chandler stuck in China, however, is kind of a bummer. There's also the Nene issue, which I'm confused by. Every time I watch him, I'm frustrated and unimpressed. The more I read, however, the more people are making him out to be the biggest player on the market. What am I missing?



Other Topics:
-The China Issue: Having free agents just pop in mid-season could be quite interesting. Who signs a guy like J.R. Smith in March? Good teams who want a boost? Bad teams who need any kind of talent?
-The Heat: Where do they go from last year's Finals disappointment?
-The Mavs: Can they defend their crown?
-The Lakers, Celts: Aging teams, do they have a run in them?

bfoflcommish
12-03-2011, 09:10 AM
CP3 is showing exactly why the masses didnt care when they were locked out.
Players think they run the league, and the funny thing is, its the players that havent won ****.

RhymesayersDU
12-03-2011, 09:16 AM
I completely see your point. I love the NBA but even for me it's a turn off. Exactly why I was hoping for more franchise control when it comes to this. A franchise tag, etc.

OBF1
12-03-2011, 10:13 AM
Maybe when the games start, I will give a damn again. The entire strike/lock out turned me off to hoops.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-03-2011, 12:39 PM
Maven?

DrFate
12-03-2011, 12:40 PM
CP3 is showing exactly why the masses didnt care when they were locked out.

I was hoping they'd cancel the entire season.

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 12:53 PM
CP3 is showing exactly why the masses didnt care when they were locked out.
Players think they run the league, and the funny thing is, its the players that havent won ****.

...and that's one of the myriad of reasons why this is so satisfying:

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/celebrate-the-mavs-championship.jpg

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110603-mavs045.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/mavs045.JPG

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 12:54 PM
http://djrocit.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mavs_2011_nba_champions_by_angelmaker666-d3irjva.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 12:55 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/06/13/0613-dallas-mavericks-gallery-startraks-credit.jpg

SimonFletcher73
12-03-2011, 12:56 PM
If the league controlled Hornets trade Paul to New York all hell will break loose. Probably bigger than the Ewing draft lotto conspiracy.

Looks like Nene is gone. Not worth close to the $17 million he is asking. Excited to see Faried play though. Hope the rebounds transfer to the NBA. Nene sucked at rebounding. Would be happy if Nuggets just made the playoffs at this point with all the players we lost.

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 12:58 PM
If the league controlled Hornets trade Paul to New York all hell will break loose. Probably bigger than the Ewing draft lotto conspiracy.

Looks like Nene is gone. Not worth close to the $17 million he is asking. Excited to see Faried play though. Hope the rebounds transfer to the NBA. Nene sucked at rebounding. Would be happy if Nuggets just made the playoffs at this point with all the players we lost.

Thats funny that you say that because many people believe that rebounding is the one skill that translates almost 1:1 from college to the pro's. In other words, its the skill that you can almost count on translating.

SimonFletcher73
12-03-2011, 01:05 PM
Thats funny that you say that because many people believe that rebounding is the one skill that translates almost 1:1 from college to the pro's. In other words, its the skill that you can almost count on translating.

Sure hope so. He looked pretty good in the big tourney. If he can keep up the 14.5 boards he averaged at Moorehead State he will almost double Nene's boards.

bombay
12-03-2011, 01:17 PM
I like Nene, and to some extent Carmelo's ball hogging cost him a lot in terms of touches, etc. His scoring and rebounding umbers both went up after melo left. Not worth 17, though. I wonder what Tyson Chandler wants.

SimonFletcher73
12-03-2011, 01:19 PM
This SI article says around $20.7m for Chandler. Crazy money that he won't get.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/02/free-agency/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a1

bombay
12-03-2011, 01:21 PM
Wow. The owners caved too soon.

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 01:48 PM
Sure hope so. He looked pretty good in the big tourney. If he can keep up the 14.5 boards he averaged at Moorehead State he will almost double Nene's boards.

You should expect that he'll have a good rebound-per-minute rate. So if he's a starter who gets > 30 minutes, he should get around or above 10 per game.

Rebounding is more a mindset than a skill, so the people who take pride in it usually can do it at all levels.

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 01:50 PM
This SI article says around $20.7m for Chandler. Crazy money that he won't get.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/02/free-agency/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a1

Yeah, he won't get that from Dallas. I think that Dirk actually took less money than that last season to give Dallas a break. Theres no way they'll pay Chandler more than Dirk.

extralife
12-03-2011, 01:50 PM
My issue was I thought there needed to be fundamental changes to how the NBA does business; a hard cap, less guaranteed contracts, maybe a franchise tag so players can't hold franchises hostage.

and guess what didn't happen in the slightest!

Rolandftw
12-03-2011, 02:24 PM
The luxury tax being increased should help a lot. But it doesn't go into effect, until two seasons...

Nuggets will probably struggle, will be a young team. Hoping they get something for Nene in trade.. more picks for the great 2012 draft class, and maybe a prospect.

Need to keep Afflalo though. Hope Gallinari, Lawson, Afflalo, Hamilton and Faried all continue to get better.

Faried's game should translate very well; his offensive play and in particular free throw shooting needs a lot of work. Still shocked he fell to us at #22.

RhymesayersDU
12-03-2011, 02:51 PM
and guess what didn't happen in the slightest!

Sigh; I know. We'll see how it plays out. I mean, it seems like there is definitely have more restrictions on how contracts can be offered via extensions, the MLE, and in sign-and-trade deals, and maybe those rules have the intended consequences. It appears, at least how I'm reading it, that they're trying to make it more lucrative for a player to stay put. We'll see if the almighty dollar sways player feelings.

From my initial post, it was probably insane to expect those types of major overhauls. But again, hopefully the new rules help in making it competitive for all.

TonyR
12-03-2011, 02:53 PM
The following teams are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under the 2011-12 salary cap:

1. Washington: $34.4 million (including Lewis' amnesty clause)
2. Denver: $33 million (including Harrington's A.C.)
3. Indiana: $28.5 million (including Posey's A.C.)
4. Sacramento: $26.2 million
5. New Jersey: $23.1 million (including Outlaw's A.C.)
6. Toronto: $17.7 million (including Calderon's A.C.)
7. Golden State: $16 million (including Biedrins' A.C.)
8. Detroit: $14-$19 million (depends on Villanueva, Gordon or Hamilton for its A.C.)
9. L.A. Clippers: $13.1 million
10. Charlotte: $13 million (including Diop's A.C.)
11. New Orleans: $12.6 million
12. Milwaukee: $12.2 million (including Udrih's A.C.)
13. Minnesota: $11.4 million (including Webster's A.C.)
...
• Three teams (Denver, Indiana and Sacramento) definitely have to spend just to hit that $49 million floor (amnesty or no amnesty).

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7307298/the-first-day-nba-christmas

RhymesayersDU
12-03-2011, 02:55 PM
Maven?

LOL

The best joke from last year's thread that we need to continue. Poor maven.

Rolandftw
12-03-2011, 03:02 PM
The following teams are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under the 2011-12 salary cap:

1. Washington: $34.4 million (including Lewis' amnesty clause)
2. Denver: $33 million (including Harrington's A.C.)
3. Indiana: $28.5 million (including Posey's A.C.)
4. Sacramento: $26.2 million
5. New Jersey: $23.1 million (including Outlaw's A.C.)
6. Toronto: $17.7 million (including Calderon's A.C.)
7. Golden State: $16 million (including Biedrins' A.C.)
8. Detroit: $14-$19 million (depends on Villanueva, Gordon or Hamilton for its A.C.)
9. L.A. Clippers: $13.1 million
10. Charlotte: $13 million (including Diop's A.C.)
11. New Orleans: $12.6 million
12. Milwaukee: $12.2 million (including Udrih's A.C.)
13. Minnesota: $11.4 million (including Webster's A.C.)
...
• Three teams (Denver, Indiana and Sacramento) definitely have to spend just to hit that $49 million floor (amnesty or no amnesty).

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7307298/the-first-day-nba-christmas

With the cap holds that Denver currently has, they won't have that much cap space to spend... unless they release those holds. Worst case scenario is Nene is undecided where to go, and Denver keeps his hold and loses out on another talented free agent.

Inkana7
12-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Lakers suck, Heat suck.

Inkana7
12-03-2011, 03:16 PM
CLEVELAND IS AWESOME

epicSocialism4tw
12-03-2011, 03:18 PM
CLEVELAND IS AWESOME

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/r-c107-sl-slc-class/381018d1308026970-ot-cavs-mavs-lebron-insult-1.jpg

oubronco
12-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Maven?

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-03-2011, 05:49 PM
Chandler is out of his damned kind if he thinks anyone is going to give him $20 million. Mavs will go cheap on their offer, though, hoping he'll take 10-12 but I'm not seeing him going for it.

spdirty
12-03-2011, 06:39 PM
Really don't ****ing want Nene back. It's fine if they do a sign and trade for picks, but he is such a damn tease I'd rather he be someone else's problem. We sign him and within 2 years we'll be using that "we ****ed up" clause. Sign and trade his ass, and maybe do what you can to get Marc Gasol here. He'd be awesome in a Nuggets uni.

Or just let him walk, and suck bad enough to get a good draft pick next year.

TonyR
12-05-2011, 03:41 PM
Simmons on Nene:

This one scares the hell out of me. What am I getting, exactly? He's 29 years old and has a surgically repaired knee. He played nearly as many games the past three years (260, including playoffs) as he did for his first six seasons (315, including playoffs). He's not exactly an emotional leader — those Nuggets teams melted down as much as anyone, and you'd have to consider it at least somewhat telling that Carmelo Anthony pushed his way off a team that had a top-five center on it. The biggest thing for me: If he's a top-five center, then why is Nene such a lousy rebounder? These past three seasons, he averaged 32.6, 33.6 and 30.5 minutes per game … and 7.8, 7.6 and 7.6 rebounds. He wasn't even a top-25 rebounder last year. (FYI: LeBron nearly outrebounded him!) He also doesn't protect the rim that well; for instance, Dwyane Wade (1.14) Channing Frye (1.01), Shane Battier (0.99) averaged more blocks than Nene (0.97) last season.

With Nene, you're getting an athletic big man who makes 60 percent of his shots, as well as someone who makes opposing teams say, "They have a center" … and that's about it. At 29, you are who you are. He can't quite take over games; he's never going to do what Chandler did in last year's playoffs from a protecting-the-rim standpoint; he needs extra rebounding help or you're getting killed on the boards; he's never won anything; and oh, you better hope his knees hold up. For me, it's no contest — not only would I rather have Gasol or Chandler, I'd rather overpay Jordan (at least he's an up-and-comer) for 50 to 60 percent of what Nene will probably cost (four years, $74.3 million without a sign-and-trade).

So who's willing to splurge on Nene? Not to go all Hubie Brown on you, but we know the Nets will pay whatever it takes for a center and they're already "all in" after the Deron Williams trade. We know Houston is getting an above-average center come hell or high water. We know Indiana, Denver and Sacramento have a crapload of cap space, and we know Toronto and Washington are an executed amnesty clause away from getting there. We also know that Memphis is vowing to match any restricted offer to Gasol.

That means seven teams might be bidding for Chandler and Nene … and two (New Jersey and Houston) are desperate. Even if they're worth $55 million apiece for four years, they'll end up getting $20 million more; I wouldn't be shocked if the Nets pulled off a sign-and-trade with Denver to give Nene $100 million for five. You think Mikhail Prokhorov cares about overpaying the fifth-best center in basketball? You think he cares about dropping an extra $50 million per year with the tougher luxury tax? I don't think Nene's next contract will be remembered on the Rashard Lewis/Gilbert Arenas level as a historical abomination, but at the very least, it will join Joe Johnson's extension as this decade's defining example of a team overpaying a good player who isn't great (or even close to great).
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7319695/the-second-day-nba-christmas

Rolandftw
12-05-2011, 05:06 PM
According to Ken Berger of CBS, RFA Thaddeus Young has had talks with the Nuggets. More talks planned. Also, according to Berger this signals that Denver is ready to move on from Nene.

Denver will have to offer a very high offer to convince Philly not to match. Probably $40 million over 4 years.

DBroncos4life
12-05-2011, 05:53 PM
Lets go CAVS!

RhymesayersDU
12-05-2011, 06:51 PM
According to Ken Berger of CBS, RFA Thaddeus Young has had talks with the Nuggets. More talks planned. Also, according to Berger this signals that Denver is ready to move on from Nene.

Denver will have to offer a very high offer to convince Philly not to match. Probably $40 million over 4 years.

Also read that Al Thornton is visiting or already has visited Denver.

Rolandftw
12-05-2011, 08:31 PM
Yep. Denver Post had an article on him, I think. Said he hopes to sign with Denver. Decent signing, if we went that route.

RhymesayersDU
12-05-2011, 08:38 PM
Schedule tidbits are coming out...

1) There's a home & home pair of preseason games with the Suns. December 20 I believe is at Pepsi Center.
2) The Knicks won't be visiting Denver.

maven
12-05-2011, 09:43 PM
http://www.hauteliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/american-airlines-arena3.jpg

The league will burn this year as the MIAMI HEAT secure the championship.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QsD5Q9Q3sJo/TaSYx1xmSvI/AAAAAAAAAEc/nTdmI2YJ9GQ/s1600/Miami+Heat+%252812.20.10%2529.jpg

This season is ours!

http://www.myiconart.com/ekmps/shops/myiconart/images/macho-man-randy-savage-womens-t-shirt-39992-p.png

And this posting is brought to you by:

http://the305.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/57629197-1.jpg

Tombstone RJ
12-05-2011, 09:51 PM
nene needs to go bye-bye...

Man-Goblin
12-06-2011, 06:25 AM
Really don't ****ing want Nene back. It's fine if they do a sign and trade for picks, but he is such a damn tease I'd rather he be someone else's problem. We sign him and within 2 years we'll be using that "we ****ed up" clause. Sign and trade his ass, and maybe do what you can to get Marc Gasol here. He'd be awesome in a Nuggets uni.

Or just let him walk, and suck bad enough to get a good draft pick next year.

These.

TonyR
12-07-2011, 05:48 AM
Another good write up from Simmons, this one on 2-guards with a focus on Affalo (who he predicts the Nuggets will let go because demand for him will drive his contract up too high).

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7323610/the-third-day-nba-christmas

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-07-2011, 08:20 AM
RIP 2010-2011 Mavs. It was fun while it lasted. Thanks for the trophy.

ludo21
12-07-2011, 08:34 AM
I hear Dalls trying to pry Deron Williams from Nets, truth to that? That would be a great move.

Also, GO SUNS!!! not going to be a great year but at least we will have continuity from last yers team to help with shortened TC

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-07-2011, 10:30 AM
No chance the Mavs get DWill this season. Best bet is to have enough cap space to make a run when he's free next summer.

bombay
12-07-2011, 12:46 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Nuggets make a run at 'little' Gasol. He's more of a center than Nene will ever be. I think he's restricted, though.

TonyR
12-07-2011, 01:29 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Nuggets make a run at 'little' Gasol. He's more of a center than Nene will ever be. I think he's restricted, though.

Simmons predicts Gasol stays in Memphis and Denver gets Dalembert. God I hope he's wrong...

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7319695/the-second-day-nba-christmas

bombay
12-07-2011, 01:34 PM
No way in hell are the Nuggets stupid enough to sign Dalembert. Mosgov starts with Koufos as a backup before that happens.

RhymesayersDU
12-07-2011, 02:09 PM
Yeah I'd love Gasol, but would easily run with Mozgov over Dalembert.

Unrelated: purchased a 10-game ticket package with 2 coworkers. VERY excited.

ludo21
12-07-2011, 02:23 PM
Afflalo is getting starter money for being an average player

love the crap crop of 2 guards

Dagmar
12-07-2011, 08:46 PM
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv00ii2Lxk1qdlh1io1_400.gif

spdirty
12-07-2011, 09:01 PM
Afflalo is getting starter money for being an average player

love the crap crop of 2 guards

Afflalo was pretty damn good last year.

epicSocialism4tw
12-07-2011, 09:24 PM
The season hasn't even started and I'm already sick of the Heat.

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2011, 06:18 AM
Afflalo was pretty damn good last year.

Agreed. I know he's not a traditional superstar, but I'd say he's at least above average. The guy did it all for us last year.

ludo21
12-08-2011, 06:44 AM
Im more to think the nuggets year was an aberration for him.

Im pulling for nuggs this year too though, so I'm all for him doing it again!

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 09:00 AM
Afflalo's always been a good defensive player. He's just slowly added more and more to his game. Probably will continue to as well.

In case anyone missed it, George Karl talked on the radio about the upcoming season and fa's:

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=96&c=740&f=306531

OrangeCrush2724
12-08-2011, 09:07 AM
This should improve the Heat's defense.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7330117/memphis-grizzlies-shane-battier-plans-sign-miami-heat.

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 10:40 AM
According to Matt Steinmetz via twitter, the Knicks have talked to Denver about a trade concerning Ronny Turiaf.

A lot of sources have reported that the Knicks are now the leader for Tyson Chandler, but they need to trade Billups and Turiaf to get enough cap space to make the deal possible.

If the Knicks were willing to part with Landry Fields or Iman Shumpert to Denver, I could see Denver being interested. Otherwise, what's the point? We don't need to help out the Knicks to take on a contract that isn't even that good.

ludo21
12-08-2011, 10:49 AM
Grant Hill has been in talks with the Knicks

Hate to losse that guy, he has been awesome for us the pst few years.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-08-2011, 11:02 AM
Chandler is a nice pick up for the Knicks, but it makes me wonder what the plan is beyond that...im hearing Amar'e to NO for CP3...which would be nice, but leaves the knicks thin up front. But I think CP3, carmelo, and Chandler complement each other well

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 11:15 AM
Yeah, I've heard the CP3 rumor too. Just can't see NO, or anyone wanting Amare's contract. Maybe they could find a third team that would be willing to trade young players/picks for Amare tho.

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2011, 11:25 AM
Yeah, I've heard the CP3 rumor too. Just can't see NO, or anyone wanting Amare's contract. Maybe they could find a third team that would be willing to trade young players/picks for Amare tho.

Oh I disagree, if you're NO and you can get a star who is under contract and can't leave in return, you do it. You still need to sell tickets, etc.

ludo21
12-08-2011, 11:42 AM
no way in hell they trade amare for cp3???

where is this info coming from?

Anyone read Simmons 4th day of xmas today? He loves the Celtics a bit too much and makes his boy Rondo seem like a whiny tard

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Oh I disagree, if you're NO and you can get a star who is under contract and can't leave in return, you do it. You still need to sell tickets, etc.

I think that would work for the first couple years, but Amare's contract is terrible down the line.

Rumor is that Houston/Lakers/Hornets are working on a three way trade. Gasol potentially going to the Rockets, Lakers getting CP3, and Hornets potentially getting picks, Scola and Martin.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-08-2011, 12:41 PM
no way in hell they trade amare for cp3???

where is this info coming from?

Anyone read Simmons 4th day of xmas today? He loves the Celtics a bit too much and makes his boy Rondo seem like a whiny tard

Not straight up...but as part of a package.

DBroncos4life
12-08-2011, 12:45 PM
How pissed would Amare be if he got traded one year after leaving for the Knicks. ROFL!

bombay
12-08-2011, 12:48 PM
Battier is a great pickup for Miami. As good a glue guy as there is in the league. Just what they needed.

oubronco
12-08-2011, 01:57 PM
Maven?

ludo21
12-08-2011, 02:29 PM
suns sign sebastion telfair and shannon brown

I like it! Needed a dunk partner for Nash

24champ
12-08-2011, 03:08 PM
Edit: According to Yahoo! Sports: The Hornets are near a deal to send Chris Paul to the Lakers for Gasol and Odom. :strong:


http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab250/Zac_Sweeney/NBA%20Photoshops/Jersey%20Switches/ChrisPaulLakers_final.png

bfoflcommish
12-08-2011, 03:28 PM
ive heard its done but not the specifics, ive also heard for bynum and odom, and possibly pau going to houston, if they lost all 3 thats not a great trade. where the rebounds going to come from?

24champ
12-08-2011, 03:36 PM
ive heard its done but not the specifics, ive also heard for bynum and odom, and possibly pau going to houston, if they lost all 3 thats not a great trade. where the rebounds going to come from?

It's Gasol and Odom to the Hornets. Bynum is still on the Lakers, but could be used to send to Orlando for Dwight in a package.

bombay
12-08-2011, 03:41 PM
New Orleans would be stupid to take two tired old soft guys with bad contracts.

Mr.Meanie
12-08-2011, 03:45 PM
New Orleans would be stupid to take two tired old soft guys with bad contracts.

According to the rumors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjXIYdxZeLJ2J.djcjcHmW68vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811) Gasol would go to the Rockets, Paul to the Lakers and Scola, Dragic, Kevin Martin and Odom to the Hornets.

CP3, Kobe and Bynum would be unstoppable.

bombay
12-08-2011, 03:54 PM
Maven?

Who is this douchbag, and what is maven?

Stalkers is good.

24champ
12-08-2011, 03:55 PM
According to the rumors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjXIYdxZeLJ2J.djcjcHmW68vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811) Gasol would go to the Rockets, Paul to the Lakers and Scola, Dragic, Kevin Martin and Odom to the Hornets.

CP3, Kobe and Bynum would be unstoppable.

We can get Nene if we want another big body. ;D

bombay
12-08-2011, 04:01 PM
SI is reporting that the Nuggets have offered Nene a five year max contract, and invited Cory Higgins to camp.

ludo21
12-08-2011, 04:05 PM
damn the rich get richer.

I am beginning to hate the NBA and these selfish smart athletes LOL

OBF1
12-08-2011, 04:25 PM
If LA can Get Howard for Bynum...That would be sick. A better big 3 than Miami has for sure.

OrangeCrush2724
12-08-2011, 04:53 PM
If LA can Get Howard for Bynum...That would be sick. A better big 3 than Miami has for sure.

Yes it will be better. But for how long, Kobe is 34 already.

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 05:21 PM
I dunno what the Rockets are thinking. Disgusting.

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2011, 05:47 PM
According to the rumors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjXIYdxZeLJ2J.djcjcHmW68vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811) Gasol would go to the Rockets, Paul to the Lakers and Scola, Dragic, Kevin Martin and Odom to the Hornets.

CP3, Kobe and Bynum would be unstoppable.

Don't know that I agree. But I'm just not a huge Bynum fan.

I... think the Lakers did not do that great. They got rid of 2 of their big bodies and seriously have no bench.

If they get Dwight Howard, however, the conversation changes. Although they'd still be without a bench at all.

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2011, 05:48 PM
SI is reporting that the Nuggets have offered Nene a five year max contract, and invited Cory Higgins to camp.

If they somehow keep Nene and let Arron Afflalo go, I will be furious. I still don't know what teams see in Nene.

spdirty
12-08-2011, 05:57 PM
SI is reporting that the Nuggets have offered Nene a five year max contract, and invited Cory Higgins to camp.

Well, nice to see our amnesty clause won't go to waste..

Strictly performance wise, Nene=The Anti-Tebow of basketball.

OBF1
12-08-2011, 06:41 PM
And the trade has been nixed by the commissioner.

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 07:56 PM
Insanity.

canadianbroncosfan
12-08-2011, 08:01 PM
David Stern is a bigger idiot than Goodell, why would he quash this trade? It's not like LA was trading a rack of balls, they were giving up their second and third top scorers from last season.

canadianbroncosfan
12-08-2011, 08:04 PM
David Stern is a bigger idiot than Goodell, why would he quash this trade? It's not like LA was trading a rack of balls, they were giving up their second and third top scorers from last season.

Sorry third and fourth

schaaf
12-08-2011, 08:26 PM
Sorry third and fourth

I actually like this. The NBA has turned into a complete joke. Is about time players didn't get everything they wanted

SoCalBronco
12-08-2011, 08:38 PM
Sorry 24...you're out of luck. :)

24champ
12-08-2011, 08:45 PM
**** Stern.

Officials from New Orleans, Houston and Los Angeles were stunned Thursday night. The killed trade had ripple affects everywhere in free agency and potential trades, and literally pushed the market into paralysis on the even of training camps opening up.
“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put into make that deal.
“How do the Lakers explain this to Odom? How does Houston deal with the guys it just tried to trade? Scola and Martin are going to be pissed at them, and who knows how long that takes to get over? Explain to me how the league kills this Pau Gasol (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3513/) deal, but allows Kwame Brown (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3511/) for Pau Gasol?
“To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.
“I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?”
Nails it. This league is turning into a joke.

oubronco
12-08-2011, 08:56 PM
NBA has been rigged and a joke for years

DBruleU
12-08-2011, 08:58 PM
Too bad. This league is becoming a joke and from a fans perspective that doesn't hop on one of the 4-5 large market teams bandwagons killing this trade is a good thing. Tired of players dictating where they play, and who they play with. How can the NFL have parity, but the NBA can't? Another reason why I want baseball to have a cap as well.

Oh and excuse me for not giving a rats *** how the players move on from this. Boo hoo...you weren't traded. Act like a pro and play for the team you're on you entitled pri**s. And Paul Gasol and Brown was allowed becasue it was pre-Lebron DECISION hour and Carmelo drama queen trade.

Rolandftw
12-08-2011, 09:00 PM
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/915689/CP-got-Stern_d_medium.gif

24champ
12-08-2011, 09:05 PM
NBA has been rigged and a joke for years


There's definitely a lawsuit coming down the pike.

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2011, 09:14 PM
Tired of players dictating where they play, and who they play with.

Explain to me when Chris Paul did this.

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2011, 09:17 PM
Stern and the other owners badly overreacted here. This is a tweet I personally agree with 100%:

@johnhollinger This is nuts. This was a *BAD* trade by the Lakers, but other owners so jealous of their shiny object they blocked it anyway.

Just like I said a few replies ago, this wasn't a trade that would make the Lakers a super power again. Their biggest asset had been the twin towers of Gasol and Bynum, plus another 6'10" guy off the bench in Odom. Going small isn't the answer, unless you think that Bynum will make the jump to superstar and stay healthy for the majority of the years to come. I don't think he will, personally.

They should have laughed and let the Lakers make this bad move; because the Lakers rarely make bad moves.

Broncos_OTM
12-08-2011, 10:15 PM
Forgive my basketball ignorance but who was the superstar Denver brought over in the carmelo trade?

DBruleU
12-08-2011, 11:57 PM
Stern and the other owners badly overreacted here. This is a tweet I personally agree with 100%:



Just like I said a few replies ago, this wasn't a trade that would make the Lakers a super power again. Their biggest asset had been the twin towers of Gasol and Bynum, plus another 6'10" guy off the bench in Odom. Going small isn't the answer, unless you think that Bynum will make the jump to superstar and stay healthy for the majority of the years to come. I don't think he will, personally.

They should have laughed and let the Lakers make this bad move; because the Lakers rarely make bad moves.

Yeah, Terrible trade for the Lakers. Absolutely terrible.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811

Cavs owner wanted trade blocked

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

24champ
12-09-2011, 01:29 AM
Yeah, Terrible trade for the Lakers. Absolutely terrible.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811

Cavs owner wanted trade blocked

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

And?

The League was kept in the loop as the discussions were ongoing. It's not like the league didn't know what was going on. The Lakers GM and Hornets GM worked many hours into this trade and the NBA was up to speed on the situation. Now we have Owners crying foul because they won't get as big of a hand out from the Lakers anymore with this trade.

As for Dan Gilbert, he's been on a cryfest tour since Lebron left him twisting in the wind. Most annoying owner in sports, by far. Now he wants to keep his handouts (Through the luxury tax) the Lakers have been providing him and the other *****y franchises in this league.

eddie mac
12-09-2011, 05:26 AM
Forgive my basketball ignorance but who was the superstar Denver brought over in the carmelo trade?

No-one, Nuggs were finished once they made that deal. Kroenke far more interested in Arsenal.

Punisher
12-09-2011, 05:38 AM
Stren is opening up a Pandora's box if he nukes this trade if you want the nba to be balanced out league then go to Miami and send back James and bosh to there small market teams. Or the hell with it have a real life Fantasy NBA Draft

RhymesayersDU
12-09-2011, 06:14 AM
Yeah, Terrible trade for the Lakers. Absolutely terrible.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811

Cavs owner wanted trade blocked

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

Fair enough; I was talking pure basketball. The money aspect is certainly interesting.

RhymesayersDU
12-09-2011, 06:14 AM
No-one, Nuggs were finished once they made that deal. Kroenke far more interested in Arsenal.

What was Kroenke supposed to do? What does Arsenal have to do with anything?

OrangeCrush2724
12-09-2011, 07:36 AM
Its a good day to be a fan of small/medium market team. Howard seems to be going to the Nets instead of LA to join with Paul and Kobe.

Even if Paul manages to end up with LA with an aging Kobe, I would rather have THAT then Paul go to the Knicks to form their 3 man superstar core.

DBruleU
12-09-2011, 08:25 AM
And?

The League was kept in the loop as the discussions were ongoing. It's not like the league didn't know what was going on. The Lakers GM and Hornets GM worked many hours into this trade and the NBA was up to speed on the situation. Now we have Owners crying foul because they won't get as big of a hand out from the Lakers anymore with this trade.

As for Dan Gilbert, he's been on a cryfest tour since Lebron left him twisting in the wind. Most annoying owner in sports, by far. Now he wants to keep his handouts (Through the luxury tax) the Lakers have been providing him and the other *****y franchises in this league.

Um...and it address' his statement.

Look I have no horse in this race other than I like seeing opposition to players wanting to Lebron James their own teams. Good for small market teams. I know you aren't at all biased here...other than the fact you're a Lakers fan.

vancejohnson82
12-09-2011, 08:29 AM
calling it now....NETS WORLD CHAMPS 2012

epicSocialism4tw
12-09-2011, 08:51 AM
The Worldwide Wes-types (CAA) are ruining sports.

They want to turn the NBA into nothing more than a backdrop for whatever cults of personality they gin up to make money off of.

I'm glad the Mavs got some justice for themselves because I'm just about done with the NBA.

Broncos_OTM
12-09-2011, 08:53 AM
No-one, Nuggs were finished once they made that deal. Kroenke far more interested in Arsenal.

what?

RhymesayersDU
12-09-2011, 09:03 AM
The Worldwide Wes-types (CAA) are ruining sports.

They want to turn the NBA into nothing more than a backdrop for whatever cults of personality they gin up to make money off of.

I'm glad the Mavs got some justice for themselves because I'm just about done with the NBA.

To be fair, you're "done with the NBA" every couple years. Last time it was after the epic choke versus GSW. You were going to go read Plato or something, if memory serves.

DBruleU
12-09-2011, 09:05 AM
The Worldwide Wes-types (CAA) are ruining sports.

They want to turn the NBA into nothing more than a backdrop for whatever cults of personality they gin up to make money off of.

I'm glad the Mavs got some justice for themselves because I'm just about done with the NBA.

I absolutely hate the NBA, and starting to hate Basketball in general just because of the culture it seems to breed.

I don't see that as much in other pro sports. The NFL got it absolutely right with the Franchise Tag, hard cap, etc. At least smaller markets have a chance to succeed and parity seems to win.

ludo21
12-09-2011, 09:07 AM
I love basketball too much to ever be done with the NBA, but if I were to be one to do that, this crap that Stern pulled would force me to do that.

Im betting the trade gets reversed by weeks end.

Also, once Stern resigns or dies, the league will be better off and headed in the right direction again.

epicSocialism4tw
12-09-2011, 09:37 AM
To be fair, you're "done with the NBA" every couple years. Last time it was after the epic choke versus GSW. You were going to go read Plato or something, if memory serves.

The things that made me a fan are slowly being killed off by the Worldwide Wes types.

Back in the day, people reported the game. The players busted their butts to be on the floor competing against one another. It was a different product.

That just isn't the case anymore. Clowns like Wade market themselves as tough guys but miss significant parts of the season with hangnails. Clowns like LeBron James market themselves as Michael Jordan when they havent won squat. Clowns like Carmelo Anthony accomplish nothing of note in Denver and then bail on the town because they dont like the culture.

This new generation of players sees themselves as above the fans, above the franchises, and above the game...and they don't care if you know it. In fact, they think that branding themselves as that is going to increase their likeability and thus their Z score.

I'm not interested in their cult of personality. They arent interesting people, they arent intellectual, they just arent compelling at all. Yeah, you're rich because you were born with athletic talents and had some things break right for you and you did enough to get by. Who cares?

Natedog24
12-09-2011, 09:45 AM
Brandon Roy set to retire :(

Not surprising but still very sad.

24champ
12-09-2011, 09:53 AM
NBA gets ripped to shreds in this article...

What happened Thursday, the incomprehensible events you'd expect from a second-rate, minor league sport, did far more damage than the lockout ever did -- or ever could. After years of fans, both casual and hard-core, not to mention the disciplined executives and coaches working in the business, believing that something always wasn't quite right -- something was rotten in Denmark -- the NBA finally proved it.

This whole thing Thursday reeked to high heaven, and the NBA is going to pay a dear price for it.

Having spoken with team executives getting back into the swing of things since the tentative deal on a new collective bargaining agreement was reached two weeks ago, I heard the anger. No sooner had the beleaguered negotiators slept off the 15-hour bargaining session that finally resulted in the deal, it was back to business as usual. After a five-month lockout that was supposedly about restoring competitive balance -- we can all hear deputy commissioner Adam Silver's mind-numbing, and as it turns out, empty soliloquy ringing in our ears -- it was right back to Chris Paul wanting to be in New York, Dwight Howard in L.A., and on and on and on.

"Pathetic," is how one team executive described the mayhem that played out Thursday, before commissioner David Stern somehow found a way to make it worse by canceling a trade that would've sent superstar Chris Paul from the Hornets to the Lakers for what a league spokesman laughably called "basketball reasons."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16371316/nixed-paul-deal-makes-nba-look-like-secondrate-bush-league

RhymesayersDU
12-09-2011, 10:13 AM
Brandon Roy set to retire :(

Not surprising but still very sad.

A guy I loved to hate because he'd kill the Nuggets, but real sad. He always had the knee problems but still.

ludo21
12-09-2011, 10:25 AM
it certainly makes the NBA look like a second rate league.

Kaylore
12-09-2011, 10:37 AM
it certainly makes the NBA look like a second rate league.

If it walks like a duck...

Honestly, where I can say some of the things the NFL owners did will actually make the league better and more fair, the NBA owners basically just wrote themselves checks and will continue to see their league slowly die as it basically turns into four big market teams and the <s>farm teams</s> rest of the league will mire in mediocrity.

Requiem
12-09-2011, 12:30 PM
I stopped caring about the NBA when Shaq left the Magic.

bombay
12-09-2011, 01:52 PM
Orlando is thinking of sueing the Nets for tampering.

Or something. ****ing with them. Is sueing a word? It doesn't look right.

Rolandftw
12-09-2011, 02:30 PM
Denver likely losing Nene to the Nets.

Gary Forbes has come to an agreement with the Raptors (they steal all of Denver's role players honestly: Kleiza, Weems, and potentially Forbes if Denver doesn't match)

Denver has strong interest in Mbah a Moute though. That would be a good signing, if you want to keep building a tough defensive team.

RhymesayersDU
12-10-2011, 07:03 AM
The things that made me a fan are slowly being killed off by the Worldwide Wes types.

Back in the day, people reported the game. The players busted their butts to be on the floor competing against one another. It was a different product.

That just isn't the case anymore. Clowns like Wade market themselves as tough guys but miss significant parts of the season with hangnails. Clowns like LeBron James market themselves as Michael Jordan when they havent won squat. Clowns like Carmelo Anthony accomplish nothing of note in Denver and then bail on the town because they dont like the culture.

This new generation of players sees themselves as above the fans, above the franchises, and above the game...and they don't care if you know it. In fact, they think that branding themselves as that is going to increase their likeability and thus their Z score.

I'm not interested in their cult of personality. They arent interesting people, they arent intellectual, they just arent compelling at all. Yeah, you're rich because you were born with athletic talents and had some things break right for you and you did enough to get by. Who cares?

Look, I won't disagree that NBA players have done a very poor job of endearing themselves to the fans.

But what I don't understand is, if this is going to be your attitude, how you watch any professional sports at all. Especially the last statement about being uninteresting and just being athletically gifted.

This is one thing that bugs me about people who constantly bash the NBA. I'm not saying that everybody has to love basketball. People are welcome to like and dislike whatever they want. This is America. But let's level the playing field, shall we?

And not only that, but the activity you're describing has been going on in the NBA for decades. Perhaps you just don't like this generation, and that's fine. But Allen Iverson was the "little tough guy" before Wade. Before LeBron, we had Kobe, we had Vince Carter, we had Isiah Rider, we had Glen Rice all being "the next Jordan." Only Kobe ever lived up to it. Guys like Carmelo have left teams before. Hell, Michael Jordan once took a meeting in New York when he was a free agent just to scare the entire city of Chicago and the Bulls management into giving him every last dollar he wanted.

But again I go back to this statement:

I'm not interested in their cult of personality. They arent interesting people, they arent intellectual, they just arent compelling at all. Yeah, you're rich because you were born with athletic talents and had some things break right for you and you did enough to get by. Who cares?

What makes NFL players or European soccer players, two of your loves, any less a cult of personality? Isn't Tim Tebow, by the very definition, a cult of personality? I loathe derailing this thread by mentioning TT's name, but what makes him any less just a guy born with athletic talents and having some breaks?

You want to bail on the NBA? Fine, be my guest. I just don't understand how the rules change for every other league out there. They all do this, they all have their marketing teams. But only the NBA truly gets crucified for it.

RhymesayersDU
12-10-2011, 07:04 AM
Denver likely losing Nene to the Nets.

Gary Forbes has come to an agreement with the Raptors (they steal all of Denver's role players honestly: Kleiza, Weems, and potentially Forbes if Denver doesn't match)

Denver has strong interest in Mbah a Moute though. That would be a good signing, if you want to keep building a tough defensive team.

Maybe I'm overly hard on Nene, but I've got to say I'm glad. Let him get paid elsewhere.

SimonFletcher73
12-10-2011, 07:35 AM
I agree with the 2nd rate league comment. Probably wouldn't pay to go to any games this year. All there is to cheer for is the stars to lose. Not much heart with this current generation.

SimonFletcher73
12-10-2011, 07:40 AM
Maybe I'm overly hard on Nene, but I've got to say I'm glad. Let him get paid elsewhere.

$15m for a guy that tore up his knee and got cancer during his last contract! NBA owners didn't really learn anything. Lockout accomplished little.

epicSocialism4tw
12-10-2011, 12:25 PM
Look, I won't disagree that NBA players have done a very poor job of endearing themselves to the fans.

Most of them aren't interested in endearing themselves to fans unless it puts money in the pockets of they and their handlers.

And not only that, but the activity you're describing has been going on in the NBA for decades. Perhaps you just don't like this generation, and that's fine. But Allen Iverson was the "little tough guy" before Wade. Before LeBron, we had Kobe, we had Vince Carter, we had Isiah Rider, we had Glen Rice all being "the next Jordan."

I never liked any of those guys. Why? Because they don't put in the work. Only Kobe puts in the work. He's the only one who undestood that it was the work and not the marketing that got Jordan to the top.

Only Kobe ever lived up to it. Guys like Carmelo have left teams before. Hell, Michael Jordan once took a meeting in New York when he was a free agent just to scare the entire city of Chicago and the Bulls management into giving him every last dollar he wanted.

Thats because Jordan earned it. The guy literally extended the market for the NBA basically on his own. Clowns like James and Wade just feed off of what Jordan made.

What makes NFL players or European soccer players, two of your loves, any less a cult of personality?

I like American soccer, partly because of its humble nature.

Isn't Tim Tebow, by the very definition, a cult of personality? I loathe derailing this thread by mentioning TT's name, but what makes him any less just a guy born with athletic talents and having some breaks?

I'm not sure if you really intend to compare the behavior of Tim Tebow to that of LeBron James and the rest of those me-first clowns, but if thats the route that youre taking then you may want to reformulate that approach.

You want to bail on the NBA? Fine, be my guest. I just don't understand how the rules change for every other league out there. They all do this, they all have their marketing teams. But only the NBA truly gets crucified for it.

I don't think youre understanding the premise or the context.

What's the image equivalent to an NBA star player on an NFL roster? The WR. What do fans of the NFL call them? "Divas". Me-first divas. How does it make it tolerable that you watch divas in the NFL? Because there are only 4-6 WR's on a roster and maybe one or two of them are divas.

epicSocialism4tw
12-10-2011, 12:29 PM
I agree with the 2nd rate league comment. Probably wouldn't pay to go to any games this year. All there is to cheer for is the stars to lose. Not much heart with this current generation.

Its the "everybody gets a trophy" generation.

Cant win one like the greats do? Bail on your fans and your franchise to pump up your brand.

RhymesayersDU
12-11-2011, 08:05 AM
I'm not sure if you really intend to compare the behavior of Tim Tebow to that of LeBron James and the rest of those me-first clowns, but if thats the route that youre taking then you may want to reformulate that approach.

I'm not comparing them per se, but there's a lot of hype, etc, surrounding both of them, wouldn't you agree? Hell, at this point, the Tim Tebow hype is the biggest thing in the world right now. And what has he done professionally? He's won some games in his very short career. But you can't tell me that the mega-hype that you hate so much isn't there, and for somebody who hasn't done anything truly of note yet. Now, will that story change as he leads us to a division title, etc? Absolutely. But don't tell me that the huge hype around Timmy is any different. It's not. You hate LeBron because he hasn't done anything. It's a fair criticism. The guy has come up small in big games. All I'm saying is, that hype is everywhere for players in all sports who haven't done anything. But yet LeBron is the only villain.

What's the image equivalent to an NBA star player on an NFL roster? The WR. What do fans of the NFL call them? "Divas". Me-first divas. How does it make it tolerable that you watch divas in the NFL? Because there are only 4-6 WR's on a roster and maybe one or two of them are divas.

I'll certainly agree that recent WRs have been the main culprit, but I also think that all the position players are like that. Not sure you can just let the QBs & RBs off the hook.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-11-2011, 09:02 AM
Good lord, the Mavs have done some impressive re-tooling these past couple days. Not long ago, it looked like this season would be a total dump. Now, with a few moves, they look to once again have a nice stable of depth. One spot left - looking for a good backup PG. They have $4.5 left from the trade exception used to get Odom. Maybe Billups will stop his whining and join the team for that amount on a 1-yr deal?

Kidd/Billups/Beaubois
Fernandez/VCarter/DoJo/Terry
Marion/Odom/Brewer
Dirk/BWright/Cardinal
Haywood/Mahinmi

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2011, 11:27 AM
What do you Lakers fans think of LA just dumping Odom to Dallas? Seems a little odd to me. It makes Dallas alot better and makes LA worse, IMO. Odom fits right in with the Dallas team.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2011, 11:37 AM
Good lord, the Mavs have done some impressive re-tooling these past couple days. Not long ago, it looked like this season would be a total dump. Now, with a few moves, they look to once again have a nice stable of depth. One spot left - looking for a good backup PG. They have $4.5 left from the trade exception used to get Odom. Maybe Billups will stop his whining and join the team for that amount on a 1-yr deal?

Kidd/Billups/Beaubois
Fernandez/VCarter/DoJo/Terry
Marion/Odom/Brewer
Dirk/BWright/Cardinal
Haywood/Mahinmi

Mavs are sniffing around Kaman right now too.

Billups would be a no-brainer.

As for your lineup, do you really think that Carter and Dominique Jones will be getting Jason Terry's minutes? ;D

I think that the depth chart right now looks like this:

Kidd/Terry/Beaubois
Carter/Terry/Fernandez/Jones
Odom/Marion/Fernandez/Brewer/Wright
Dirkules/Marion/Odom/Cardinal/Wright
Haywood/Mahinmi/Odom

oubronco
12-11-2011, 11:43 AM
What do you Lakers fans think of LA just dumping Odom to Dallas? Seems a little odd to me. It makes Dallas alot better and makes LA worse, IMO. Odom fits right in with the Dallas team.

Dumb move IMO

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2011, 11:46 AM
Dumb move IMO

I still cant figure out why they did it.

He basically has an expiring contract anyway.

Kobe Bryant was talking yesterday about how Dallas basically ripped them off, and that Odom was the guy that brought the team together.

He'll probably be a better player in Dallas's unselfish system than he was in the Kobe triangle. He's also an awesome defensive player who can guard guys like Durant and James.

Weird trade.

DBroncos4life
12-11-2011, 11:50 AM
I still cant figure out why they did it.

He basically has an expiring contract anyway.

Kobe Bryant was talking yesterday about how Dallas basically ripped them off, and that Odom was the guy that brought the team together.

He'll probably be a better player in Dallas's unselfish system than he was in the Kobe triangle. He's also an awesome defensive player who can guard guys like Durant and James.

Weird trade.

Only thing people are saying is that they are making room for Howard. Still doesn't make sense to make the Mavs better in the process.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2011, 11:56 AM
Only thing people are saying is that they are making room for Howard. Still doesn't make sense to make the Mavs better in the process.

Well, the weird thing is that Odom has as about as much value in a trade as the trade exception that Dallas sent LA.

Now Dallas has yet another top-notch wing defender and scorer to throw out there.

DBroncos4life
12-11-2011, 12:05 PM
Well, the weird thing is that Odom has as about as much value in a trade as the trade exception that Dallas sent LA.

Now Dallas has yet another top-notch wing defender and scorer to throw out there.

Well I don't see my Cavs being ready to compete for another couple years, so as long as you guys can beat the Heat I'm a happy man. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2011, 12:10 PM
Well I don't see my Cavs being ready to compete for another couple years, so as long as you guys can beat the Heat I'm a happy man. ;D

Well, we're kind of like your sister team...so hop on the Dirkwagon. ;D

Donnie Nelson is good at this kind of stuff. Teams have their eyes on the prize (Howard/Paul) and just start giving stuff away. Dallas has become really good at opportunistic scores.

Vince Carter is supposedly joining the Mavs this weekend too. He's not an all star player by any stretch, but as a semi-athletic wing scorer to take advantage of when Dirk is double teamed? He can perform that role well. Thats another good opportunistic score for Dallas.

Billups will be another player talked about for the Mavs.

24champ
12-11-2011, 12:17 PM
Dumb move IMO

Yeah we got hosed in that deal. Odom wanted out though, he requested a trade so we traded him. We also lessened our luxury tax bill.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2011, 12:20 PM
Yeah we got hosed in that deal. Odom wanted out though, he requested a trade so we traded him. We also lessened our luxury tax bill.

Was he upset that he was included in trade talks for Paul?

ohiobronco2
12-11-2011, 12:50 PM
Well I don't see my Cavs being ready to compete for another couple years, so as long as you guys can beat the Heat I'm a happy man. ;D

Indeed. My two favorite teams are the Cavs and anyone who beats the Heat.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-11-2011, 05:55 PM
Epic, I was just posting them in groups, not necessarily in any playing order.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-11-2011, 05:58 PM
Was he upset that he was included in trade talks for Paul?

Yes.

He had a very public tantrum over the whole affair.

I'll miss LO, but I won't miss his "show up when I feel like it" mentality.

24champ
12-11-2011, 06:03 PM
Yes.

He had a very public tantrum over the whole affair.

I'll miss LO, but I won't miss his "show up when I feel like it" mentality.

Apparently we got a 1st round pick , 2nd round pick, and a trade exemption.

Looks like more ammo for Dwight.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-11-2011, 06:05 PM
Apparently we got a 1st round pick , 2nd round pick, and a trade exemption.

Looks like more ammo for Dwight.

Management is calling it a salary dump.

Hopefully Mitch is two or three steps ahead of the rest of us and has a plan.

Rolandftw
12-13-2011, 07:23 PM
Nuggets traded 2nd round pick in 2016 for Buckner, Fernandez from Dallas

Also signed Nene for five years, $67 million. Afflalo is probably their next target. Also have $13 million of the Melo trade exception if they want to add a player that way.

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2011, 07:32 PM
Nuggets traded 2nd round pick in 2016 for Buckner, Fernandez from Dallas

Also signed Nene for five years, $67 million. Afflalo is probably their next target. Also have $13 million of the Melo trade exception if they want to add a player that way.

You mean Brewer.

And **** this Nene signing. Same soft center, brand new contract. Why not just max out Kenyon Martin again while we're at it?

Rolandftw
12-13-2011, 07:50 PM
Oops, yeah I meant Brewer. I don't really like the Nene signing but he will be playing power forward and not center, if Mozgov works out. That should help with his numbers overall. It's less money then he was rumored to be getting from New Jersey as well...

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2011, 07:52 PM
As long as they lock up Afflalo and don't neglect him, we'll be fine I guess.

Rolandftw
12-13-2011, 07:56 PM
Yep, Afflalo must be signed. I've heard they have made progress on his contract. I expect it to get finalized within 24 hours as we're less then a week from the Nuggets first preseason game. Need to get Afflalo, Nene, Brewer and Fernandez in camp asap.

spdirty
12-14-2011, 07:14 AM
I'll bet anyone a grand that Nene misses at least a month this season. Terrible signing.

bfoflcommish
12-14-2011, 07:55 AM
I'll bet anyone a grand that Nene misses at least a month this season. Terrible signing.

forget missing a month, i hate his jacking up shots from 15+ and then running down court, not even trying to rebound

ludo21
12-14-2011, 08:40 AM
Suns got Telfair, I wonder if Nash can tutor this pup up?

SimonFletcher73
12-14-2011, 09:53 AM
Actually starting to like the Nuggets lineup.

Punisher
12-14-2011, 04:49 PM
CP3 To the lakers this league is a joke

SonOfLe-loLang
12-14-2011, 04:50 PM
CP3 To the lakers this league is a joke

Clippers.

They sure have a lot of PGs!

Punisher
12-14-2011, 04:56 PM
Clippers.

They sure have a lot of PGs!

Opps i met clippers lol

maven
12-14-2011, 06:14 PM
Awful trade by the Clippers.

Punisher
12-14-2011, 06:31 PM
Awful trade by the Clippers.

Awful trade by stern the Hornets got dookie for Paul they could of had L.O and Luis on the same team now they have nothing but unproven guards.

Punisher
12-14-2011, 06:34 PM
By the way Dan Gilbert is the biggest b!!tch ever he cried about the Lakers Paul trade. Hes a bitter fag instead of trading James he took a gamble and ending up with nothing now hes tearing up if any superstar goes to a big market.

epicSocialism4tw
12-14-2011, 06:58 PM
Awful trade by stern the Hornets got dookie for Paul they could of had L.O and Luis on the same team now they have nothing but unproven guards.

Sorry, but both Odom and Scola are on the backside of their careers. They would be good pickups by a team that already has a star and is vying for a title, but not for a rebuilding team like New Orleans will be without Paul.

When you trade a star player, you have to get up-and-comers in return.

Gordon, Bledsoe, the Minny 1st rounder, and Aminu satisfy those requirements and Kaman is better than Scola by a wide margin.

The Hornets got a much better deal from the Clippers.

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2011, 09:23 PM
Sorry, but both Odom and Scola are on the backside of their careers. They would be good pickups by a team that already has a star and is vying for a title, but not for a rebuilding team like New Orleans will be without Paul.

When you trade a star player, you have to get up-and-comers in return.

Gordon, Bledsoe, the Minny 1st rounder, and Aminu satisfy those requirements and Kaman is better than Scola by a wide margin.

The Hornets got a much better deal from the Clippers.

Agreed with you here, Gordon is really good, and those draft picks will help.

Also love the trade that Dallas did to get Odom, he's going to help them.

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2011, 09:32 PM
To follow up, re: Odom

You have to look not only at the player, but at the new role he'll be playing for a new team. There's a reason why I thought it was stupid of LA to trade him and a great move by the Mavs to pick him up. He provides solid play and size/length off the bench offensively and defensively.

Why it's not great for New Orleans: You're now asking him to be the man and carry the team. He's not going to do it with any kind of effectiveness.

He's an above-average player, a great 6th man, whatever you want to call him. Llama nailed it, he's a key piece of a championship team, one with a Kobe or Dirk directing things.

RhymesayersDU
12-17-2011, 08:58 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391076_716254188903_20202069_35591982_543257533_n. jpg

Went to the Nuggets' scrimmage last night. Was real fun. I already like Faried.

DBroncos4life
12-17-2011, 09:05 AM
I think this Irving kid is going to get the Cavs on the right track.

Inkana7
12-17-2011, 06:03 PM
I think this Irving kid is going to get the Cavs on the right track.

God I hope so.

TonyR
12-17-2011, 07:32 PM
DENVER NUGGETS

Needs: A certain two-guard with a badly misspelled name.

Additional notes: I hated the final price for Nene (five years, $67 million) for purely selfish reasons — it was just low enough that I can't make fun of it, just high enough that they'll probably regret it, and yet, a price they probably had to pay. I don't think there's ever been more money spent on a snark-proof, praise-proof free-agent signing.

What They SHOULD Do: Sign Afflalo before someone else overpays him, but make sure they leave enough cap space to match any Chandler offer as soon as he comes back. By the way? Don't sleep on the Nuggets as a surprise contender — they have a chance to go 10-deep during a shortened season that gives young/deep teams a genuine competitive advantage. In fact, I'm penciling them into the playoffs, along with the Grizzlies, Spurs, Mavericks, Clippers, Zombie Sonics and Blazers. That leaves one spot for the Lakers, Rockets, Suns, Warriors or Hornets. Should be a tight race.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7360397/the-eleventh-day-nba-christmas

maven
12-17-2011, 07:43 PM
Jeff Green out for the Celtics for the year. Big blow to them.

bombay
12-17-2011, 07:52 PM
oudonkow?

SoCalBronco
12-17-2011, 07:54 PM
Looking forward to seeing the Bulls defense choke the life out of the Lakers on Christmas Day.

RhymesayersDU
12-17-2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7360397/the-eleventh-day-nba-christmas

Interesting. Obviously in a shortened season with a lot of back-to-back-to-back nights, 5 games in 6 nights, etc., I love the Nuggets' depth. Problem is, OKC is also really young and a good team, so I still see them winning the division considering Durant is really, really freaking good.

So from a seeding perspective, they'll still be seeded low in the playoffs. But our team has a lot of good-but-maybe-not-great players. We have guys at all the spots. It's going to be fun.

Rolandftw
12-17-2011, 08:15 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Denver is last year's Grizzlies. They pull off an upset in the first round (Spurs maybe), and then push OKC or Dallas to a 6/7 game series.

cutthemdown
12-17-2011, 08:34 PM
The shortened season, the Lakers getting screwed by Stern, sort of bumming me out. But hell Clippers in town and they are fun to watch. Just never loved the Lakers like i do Broncos. Maybe just because they win so often its not a big deal? Been a fan since I moved to LA as a kid, but just not into it like football.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2011, 10:59 PM
The Mormon basketball Tim Tebow had a good night for the Kings. 7/11 shooting 21 points, 4 assists and 4 boards. He is so white that it looks like he's glowing out there.

Ricky Rubio looks like a poor mans Jason Kidd.

RhymesayersDU
12-19-2011, 09:15 PM
Nuggies lock up AA, and for cheaper than I had thought. 5 years, $43 million.

Pretty excited.

Paladin
12-19-2011, 09:23 PM
Nuggies lock up AA, and for cheaper than I had thought. 5 years, $43 million.

Pretty excited.

F'reals? Team coming together. AA is a tough dude.

spdirty
12-19-2011, 09:26 PM
Nuggies lock up AA, and for cheaper than I had thought. 5 years, $43 million.

Pretty excited.

Great news. Now I'm ready for the season to start.:thumbsup:

NFLBRONCO
12-19-2011, 09:41 PM
Nuggies lock up AA, and for cheaper than I had thought. 5 years, $43 million.

Pretty excited.

Resigning nene surprised me love AA though. I realize its hard to get big men

Man-Goblin
12-19-2011, 09:41 PM
Nuggies lock up AA, and for cheaper than I had thought. 5 years, $43 million.

Pretty excited.

Gotta be excited. They brought back the two players that mattered and they gained depth at the 2 and 3 in the process.

Call me a super crazy stupid homer, but I think they have a nice little team. And by little, I mean they will surprise a lot a people.

What they get from Andre Miller will be key. It could be anywhere from borderline all-star playing the 1 or 2 when they need it, or fat and nothing.

schaaf
12-19-2011, 09:50 PM
How's Faried looking???

I was pumped when we picked him

spdirty
12-19-2011, 09:56 PM
How's Faried looking???

I was pumped when we picked him

What are his strengths? Defense and rebounding? Haven't paid much attention to him at all but I'm curious.

SoCalBronco
12-19-2011, 10:11 PM
The Clippers just dick punched the Lakers.

Nice.

epicSocialism4tw
12-19-2011, 10:18 PM
The Clippers just dick punched the Lakers.

Nice.

I think that the Lakers balloon has popped for the forseeable future until they can rob some small market team of their only hope.

SoCalBronco
12-19-2011, 10:25 PM
I think that the Lakers balloon has popped for the forseeable future until they can rob some small market team of their only hope.

What stood out to me in watching this game was how unathletic they looked. They have like zero quality depth at all.

Chicago is going to chew them up and spit them out on the 25th.

24champ
12-19-2011, 10:25 PM
You guys are reading WAY TOO MUCH into this preseason.

SoCalBronco
12-19-2011, 10:28 PM
You guys are reading WAY TOO MUCH into this preseason.

What did you think of Mike Brown putting Kobe back in after he hurt his hand?

BTW, you guys are going to get ****ing throttled by the Bulls.

24champ
12-19-2011, 10:50 PM
What did you think of Mike Brown putting Kobe back in after he hurt his hand?

BTW, you guys are going to get ****ing throttled by the Bulls.

Kobe looked good tonight, and Kobe put himself back in the game. Nobody tells Kobe when to play. We got a lot of new players, and some like Ron Ron are out of shape.

We're not getting throttled by the Bulls at home. Tonight was the first pre-season game from a LONG LAYOFF. Don't read too much into it.

HAT
12-19-2011, 10:59 PM
What did you think of Mike Brown putting Kobe back in

:spit:

You actually think that puppet made the decision?

That was all Kobe. Don't you live in LA?

RhymesayersDU
12-20-2011, 06:42 AM
As much as I'd love to write the Lakers' obituary, I agree you can't yet do that, and you can't read too much into the pre-season.

With that said, the writing is on the wall. They have no bench without Odom, and they're only getting older. Kobe is Kobe, he's one of the greats. But they lack depth, and it's going to hurt them, especially in a season where you will have back-to-back-to-backs and 5 games/6 nights, etc.

Punisher
12-20-2011, 01:55 PM
I love the lakers but if we don't make a move on Howard we're gonna be the Hawks of the West good enough to make the playoffs but everyone knows we're not going anywhere.

DBroncos4life
12-20-2011, 04:57 PM
I know it's preseason and all but you can tell the Cavs are going to be much improved.

Jason in LA
12-21-2011, 10:34 AM
Out here in LA the NFL is no longer much of a topic with what the Lakers and Clippers have been going through over the past week. The Clippers have won in the media, but one preseason victory doesn't mean that they've won anything on the court. I think that it's so hot of a story that people are greatly over analyzing it. Can the Clippers be better than the Lakers this year? Yes, and that's not a good feeling for a Lakers fan. Will the Clippers be better, ah, the Lakers have Kobe Bryant and other players with rings, so don't count them out at all.

It's funny that Clippers fans are going nuts, just like they did back in '06 I believe when they made the playoffs (that doesn't happen often). Clipper fans are actually thinking that they are going to take over LA. Ah, not going to happen. The Clippers have moments here and there when they become really popular, but they are nowhere close to taking over LA. It's a silly thought. The Lakers fan base dwarfs the Clippers fan base. I'd say that there are more Laker haters here in LA than Clippers fans. The Lakers will out draw the Clippers, as usual, and if Gasol has gotten over his emotional problems and Bynum stays heathy (he's supposed to be in great shape now after working out hard over the offseason), the Lakers will probably finish ahead of the Clippers.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 10:37 AM
Out here in LA the NFL is no longer much of a topic with what the Lakers and Clippers have been going through over the past week. The Clippers have won in the media, but one preseason victory doesn't mean that they've won anything on the court. I think that it's so hot of a story that people are greatly over analyzing it. Can the Clippers be better than the Lakers this year? Yes, and that's not a good feeling for a Lakers fan. Will the Clippers be better, ah, the Lakers have Kobe Bryant and other players with rings, so don't count them out at all.

It's funny that Clippers fans are going nuts, just like they did back in '06 I believe when they made the playoffs (that doesn't happen often). Clipper fans are actually thinking that they are going to take over LA. Ah, not going to happen. The Clippers have moments here and there when they become really popular, but they are nowhere close to taking over LA. It's a silly thought. The Lakers fan base dwarfs the Clippers fan base. I'd say that there are more Laker haters here in LA than Clippers fans. The Lakers will out draw the Clippers, as usual, and if Gasol has gotten over his emotional problems and Bynum stays heathy (he's supposed to be in great shape now after working out hard over the offseason), the Lakers will probably finish ahead of the Clippers.

The Clippers will get all the press though because they'll be a little like Nash's old Suns...high-flying bigs catching and finishing lobs and easy set ups. They'll be all over the highlight reels.

Blake Griffin finishing easy passes from Paul? Its gonna be crazy. Griffin is more awe-striking than Shawn Kemp was.

DB-Freak
12-21-2011, 12:19 PM
Out here in LA the NFL is no longer much of a topic with what the Lakers and Clippers have been going through over the past week. The Clippers have won in the media, but one preseason victory doesn't mean that they've won anything on the court. I think that it's so hot of a story that people are greatly over analyzing it. Can the Clippers be better than the Lakers this year? Yes, and that's not a good feeling for a Lakers fan. Will the Clippers be better, ah, the Lakers have Kobe Bryant and other players with rings, so don't count them out at all.

It's funny that Clippers fans are going nuts, just like they did back in '06 I believe when they made the playoffs (that doesn't happen often). Clipper fans are actually thinking that they are going to take over LA. Ah, not going to happen. The Clippers have moments here and there when they become really popular, but they are nowhere close to taking over LA. It's a silly thought. The Lakers fan base dwarfs the Clippers fan base. I'd say that there are more Laker haters here in LA than Clippers fans. The Lakers will out draw the Clippers, as usual, and if Gasol has gotten over his emotional problems and Bynum stays heathy (he's supposed to be in great shape now after working out hard over the offseason), the Lakers will probably finish ahead of the Clippers.

no one really cares about the NFL in LA when I lived there for a few years.

Still has the most bandwagons fans out of all the states I lived in.

DB-Freak
12-21-2011, 12:20 PM
It would be amazing if the Clippers meet the lakers in the playoffs and knock em out.

Ill be a clipper fan forever.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2011, 07:23 PM
I just came to the realization that Derek Rose is a big pothead.

bombay
12-22-2011, 01:23 PM
The Nuggets are constructed in a way that is very much to George Karl's liking. A bunch of good players who are willing to play within a team construct. They need Galinaro (sp) to step forward and score a lot. Like the new kid Farried, but it remains to be seen how much time he'll get. He's a monster on the boards, and could consistantly put up some points from garbage. One of the two bigs needs to step forward and provide at least quality defense. Timo seems to be the guy they like but Koufos has looked good when given a chance.

I expect guard play to be outstanding.

This is the kind of team Karl has wanted. Now, can he win with it, and can he take the next step in the playoffs?

Oh, and the Lakers appear to be headed quickly to also ran status unless the rest of the league hands over their best players for not much in the way of compensation. They certainly don't have anything to offer that is worth getting Dwight Howard,

RhymesayersDU
12-22-2011, 02:57 PM
Agreed, I love our backcourt. Ty + AA, Andre + Rudy? I'm in.

Agree Gallo needs to be the player the Knicks thought he'd be, and Nene (shudder) has to lead up front.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-22-2011, 04:39 PM
Rudy Fernandez is a quitter and a pussy. He'll give up before he does anything worth a lick. He wants nothing more than to return home to Spain and not have to try hard to be considered a star.

bombay
12-22-2011, 04:40 PM
Agreed, I love our backcourt. Ty + AA, Andre + Rudy? I'm in.

Agree Gallo needs to be the player the Knicks thought he'd be, and Nene (shudder) has to lead up front.

I think a carmelo-free Nene, playing at his natural position, will change your mind. I see him as an 18-20 point, 8/9 boards guy on this team. Out from under the thumbs of not only carmelo, but Martin to an extent. I liked a lot of what Kenyon brought in terms of toughness and defense, but to the degree that he provided any 'leadership', it would have been mostly negative.

maven
12-25-2011, 04:56 PM
The Heat looked pretty good today!

SoCalBronco
12-25-2011, 05:05 PM
Ahahahaha...**** yeah! Go D-Rose!

SonOfLe-loLang
12-25-2011, 06:02 PM
I know there's a ton of Carmelo heat on this board, but he brought it today. Assassin.

OrangeCrush2724
12-25-2011, 06:38 PM
The Heat looked pretty good today!

Yeah according to the announcers only the Mavs had the lockout.

RhymesayersDU
12-25-2011, 08:23 PM
Hope everybody saw this today. I thought TNT did a freaking incredible job on this promo.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/37bszM1f6xc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The DRose/MJ fist bump is getting a lot of play, I also really like Bird passing to Ray Allen and Magic passing to Kobe.

Anyways, man am I excited the NBA has tipped off. As much as I love hoops, we should do this every year. Cut the schedule down, start on Christmas day. Turn Christmas into an event (you know what I mean) and the shorter schedule would make games more meaningful. It'll never happen, but it would be cool IMO.

That Bulls/Lakers game was great. God damn.

OrangeSe7en
12-25-2011, 09:35 PM
Hope everybody saw this today. I thought TNT did a freaking incredible job on this promo.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/37bszM1f6xc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The DRose/MJ fist bump is getting a lot of play, I also really like Bird passing to Ray Allen and Magic passing to Kobe.

Anyways, man am I excited the NBA has tipped off. As much as I love hoops, we should do this every year. Cut the schedule down, start on Christmas day. Turn Christmas into an event (you know what I mean) and the shorter schedule would make games more meaningful. It'll never happen, but it would be cool IMO.

That Bulls/Lakers game was great. God damn.

I was impressed with the Knicks. If they get anything from Baron Davis, they could be really scary. They had an issue with defense last year but Tyson Chandler has to help that at least some. On the other hand, they seem like they could be a team that has issues with egos and focus. It seemed like they could have annihilated Boston if they would have been more focused but it was also only game 1.

The Bulls-Lakers game kind of reminded me of how the Broncos have won during 6 of their past 8 games. Kobe looks healthier but older. The past couple of years it's been hard to tell how much of his play has been affected by age vs injuries. He looked good for the most part today though.

KCStud
12-25-2011, 09:58 PM
Looks like the Thunder are early favorites for West title. Great for OKC. Thunder Up!

spdirty
12-26-2011, 06:49 PM
Great half by the Nugs! 69-42 at halftime.

Bronc62
12-26-2011, 06:49 PM
Nuggets running the defending NBA champs out of their building!

Hercules Rockefeller
12-26-2011, 07:56 PM
The 22-point win was closer than the game really was.

BroncoLifer
12-26-2011, 07:58 PM
These Melo-free Nuggets are 10x more enjoyable to watch. Love their style of play.

strafen
12-26-2011, 09:20 PM
Congrats to the nuggs!

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2011, 10:02 PM
Nuggies played pretty damn well tonight. Still puzzling that GK didn't put Faried or Hamilton in at the end, but oh well. Nice start.

Definitely can't wait for Wednesday!

In other news, NBA League Pass is on a free trial until 1/8/12. I watched a TON of hoops tonight.

Rolandftw
12-26-2011, 11:56 PM
Looks like the Thunder are early favorites for West title. Great for OKC. Thunder Up!

OKC is very good, but looked vulnerable tonight against Minnesota. Will have to see. Still not a fan of Westbrook, as I don't think he's as efficient of a point guard as I'd want on my team. Durant is awesome obviously. Harden will likely have a breakout year as well. They're beatable tho for sure.

OrangeCrush2724
12-27-2011, 08:01 AM
Heat Celtics tonight. Should be a good one.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Holy lord, the Mavs look terrible. Florida Marlins-post-World-Series-selloff/hangover.

RhymesayersDU
12-27-2011, 08:15 PM
Rudy Fernandez is a quitter and a p***Y. He'll give up before he does anything worth a lick. He wants nothing more than to return home to Spain and not have to try hard to be considered a star.

Meant to reply to this the other day, but can you expand? Did something happen in Dallas that I didn't hear about?

I found it very curious that the Mavericks traded for him over the summer, and then before he plays even a minute they trade him away again. Did something happen between Rudy/the club, or did just the NBA landscape change (i.e., they needed Odom, whatever)?

gunns
12-28-2011, 06:29 AM
And the Jazz are still the Jazz. My Celtics not doing any better but not expected.

SpringStein
12-28-2011, 08:50 PM
I almost forgot how much fun it is watching the Nuggets post Melo. Pretty deep this year, built more for the regular season than the playoffs, but fun to watch an unselfish NBA team.

Rolandftw
12-28-2011, 09:26 PM
Meant to reply to this the other day, but can you expand? Did something happen in Dallas that I didn't hear about?

I found it very curious that the Mavericks traded for him over the summer, and then before he plays even a minute they trade him away again. Did something happen between Rudy/the club, or did just the NBA landscape change (i.e., they needed Odom, whatever)?

Rudy supposedly wasn't happy with his expected lack of playing time in Dallas. He didn't like the Vince Carter signing much.

He has a reputation of being a primadonna, at least in Portland.

If he plays like he did tonight, Denver should be really happy with him.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-29-2011, 07:30 AM
Meant to reply to this the other day, but can you expand? Did something happen in Dallas that I didn't hear about?

I found it very curious that the Mavericks traded for him over the summer, and then before he plays even a minute they trade him away again. Did something happen between Rudy/the club, or did just the NBA landscape change (i.e., they needed Odom, whatever)?

The starting 2-spot was his in Dallas. Instead, he decided he didn't want to compete to beat out Vince Carter (!!!) and floated rumors about being bought out by his Spanish team and something about a visa application not being filled. It was all a cover for him not wanting to compete for his spot and lusting over staying home to play in Spain. He doesn't want the competition of the NBA. He'd rather be showered with roses and praise in playing for his home country. He's had all the talent in the world to compete in the NBA but he's never fully accepted it.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2011, 07:34 AM
The Celtics will be an interesting team to keep an eye on. People keep talking about how Pierce hasn't been playing but the Celtics are old and this schedule is very compressed. Not only that but they've fallen way behind in every game. Twice they came back to make it close but that could be the other teams letting off the gas more than anything.

Paladin
12-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Portland sure gets a lot of calls their way. Lots of phantom fouls called ionight.

canadianbroncosfan
12-29-2011, 10:38 PM
So much for the over-hyped Knicks/Lakers match up. Kobe lit up the Knickerbockers.

KCStud
12-29-2011, 10:41 PM
KD with another amazing shot for the win with 2 seconds left.

Man this guy is so awesome! Glad we have him in OKC.

Rolandftw
12-30-2011, 12:34 AM
Portland sure gets a lot of calls their way. Lots of phantom fouls called ionight.

Nah, was a physical game that could have went either way. Denver got out-rebounded and couldn't hit anything from deep. Don't deserve to win when that happens.

Ty looked awesome tho. Best pg in the northwest division, imo.

Punisher
12-30-2011, 03:05 AM
Looks like the Thunder are early favorites for West title. Great for OKC. Thunder Up!

Yea thunder or Memphis

RhymesayersDU
12-30-2011, 06:38 AM
Nah, was a physical game that could have went either way. Denver got out-rebounded and couldn't hit anything from deep. Don't deserve to win when that happens.

Ty looked awesome tho. Best pg in the northwest division, imo.

Agreed, Nuggets got to the line a lot and if anything there were some bad calls both ways.

Last night's game was a real glass half full/half empty game:

Half full: We shot the ball terribly and were still in the game on the road against a division rival.

Half empty: Late in the game, there were 3 straight stops by our defense. On offense, we couldn't make a shot when it counted. A guy like Carmelo could do that.

Don't get me wrong; I'm very happy with how the team is constructed and what the team got in the big trade last year. But man that stretch was frustrating.

We'll be OK, big weekend coming up against the Lakeshow. Should be a fun year.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-30-2011, 07:17 AM
Maven?

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-30-2011, 07:25 AM
Thought they got blown out last night and I usually don't care much for them, I'd be on the lookout for the Spurs in the West. Nice combo of vets and youth that are scrappy. They can be pretty damn good defensively once everything rounds into shape late in the season. Duncan, though, can't hold up in this season's scheduling.

Punisher
12-30-2011, 07:37 AM
Thought they got blown out last night and I usually don't care much for them, I'd be on the lookout for the Spurs in the West. Nice combo of vets and youth that are scrappy. They can be pretty damn good defensively once everything rounds into shape late in the season. Duncan, though, can't hold up in this season's scheduling.

They gave away G Hill to the pacers and they have no chance against Memphis Or OKC

SonOfLe-loLang
12-30-2011, 07:55 AM
Maven?

im surprised he's not around, the heat look great

Garcia Bronco
12-30-2011, 07:57 AM
Nugs are looking good thus far, well see how the schedule goes and their strength, but they are looking good thus far.

Rolandftw
12-30-2011, 10:29 AM
Don't get me wrong; I'm very happy with how the team is constructed and what the team got in the big trade last year. But man that stretch was frustrating.


Very frustrating. Really wanted us to see Gallo attack the basket.. he had a lot of room to do so but seemed content taking threes. Him and Harrington probably lost the game for us.

Nene didn't help either, although he was great on D.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2011, 10:15 PM
Very enjoyable game tonight with the Bulls taking on the Clippers. CP3 was very good, but D-Rose was great.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 12:38 AM
People packed Staples wanting to see the best PG in the NBA. Unfortunately for Clippers fans, that's exactly what they saw. The last three times Paul has gone up against Rose, he has looked severely outclassed.

Rose's court vision is better this year.

BTW, it's hard to get used to the schedule this year.

epicSocialism4tw
12-31-2011, 12:41 AM
For those of you who saw the Mavs game on TV...that wasn't me sitting behind the telecast crew with the bright orange Tebow authentic jersey on tonight. Mine was the blue one. ;D

ohiobronco2
12-31-2011, 08:24 AM
Kyrie Irving is going to be a good player in this league. Hopefully he doesn't leave after a few years. :P

strafen
12-31-2011, 08:48 AM
Nuggs are doing good.
They've added a little size upfront, and Nene's been playing power forward...

OrangeCrush2724
12-31-2011, 08:51 AM
People packed Staples wanting to see the best PG in the NBA. Unfortunately for Clippers fans, that's exactly what they saw. The last three times Paul has gone up against Rose, he has looked severely outclassed.

Rose's court vision is better this year.

BTW, it's hard to get used to the schedule this year.

Looking forward to the Heat/Bulls game in late January.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-31-2011, 09:21 AM
I haven't had a hard time adjusting to the schedule. It's just like baseball season.

RhymesayersDU
12-31-2011, 09:27 AM
It's funny, in a lockout shortened season, the NBA has hooked me on League Pass. There has been great games on every night IMO. Or I'm just a junkie. Either way. I'm strongly considering buying the package.

Watched Clips/Bulls last night, was a good game for the most part. Griffin is a boss. Rose is every bit of the MVP award he earned last year. Good stuff all around.

TonyR
12-31-2011, 12:45 PM
im surprised he's not around, the heat look great

Haters won't want to hear it but LeBron has been a monster thus far. All he did last night is go 34-8-10-4 shooting over 61%.

bombay
12-31-2011, 12:55 PM
Paul isn't nearly the player he was 4-5 years ago. It's funny, performance always lags a couple of years behind reputation in the NBA.

Mosgov has looked good for the Nugs today.
Three boards, two assists, and two blocks in the first Q. They really need this kind of performance consistantly from him. And Nene has 7 points at the quarter.

bombay
12-31-2011, 01:36 PM
Lakers lead Nuggets 46-45 at the half.

eddie mac
12-31-2011, 02:38 PM
Nene $56m for a dunk like that. Take that **** outta here. You may have just cost Denver this game.

spdirty
12-31-2011, 02:48 PM
Uggh...everyone doing a Nene 4th quarter impression. Azzholes pucker up too tight in crunchtime :-(

spdirty
12-31-2011, 02:52 PM
Unreal how bad we've been in the clutch the last 2 games. Long season though, plenty of time to get through this ****.

eddie mac
12-31-2011, 02:54 PM
Gallinari is even worse. Useless ****. Denver threw that game away.

strafen
12-31-2011, 02:54 PM
They had their chance to win this game!

RhymesayersDU
12-31-2011, 02:57 PM
Real tough loss. Gallo is a complete ****ing mess right now.

24champ
12-31-2011, 03:06 PM
29 Points, 13 rebounds. Welcome back Drew! ^5

http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/ap/cf/fullj.016af8c362c6505fe6a713856353a378/ap-201112311555573254649.jpg

Paladin
12-31-2011, 03:42 PM
Lakers get the calls. "Win" game.

Roll on the floor? No problem, Lakeers' ball!!!!!!

OrangeCrush2724
12-31-2011, 04:26 PM
Haters won't want to hear it but LeBron has been a monster thus far. All he did last night is go 34-8-10-4 shooting over 61%.

Hey, you aren't suppose to post anything nice about Lebron. We just don't post that day.