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OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 05:31 PM
Looking forward to the Heat/Bulls game in late January.

I'm not. I'm glad the Bulls aren't playing 4 on 5 anymore but the Heat look great so far. January is meaningless in relation to May or June though.

One added item of interest to all this is the matter of Dwight Howard. I think he'll probably either go to the Lakers or the Mavs but I'm hoping that he either warms to the idea to commiting to Chicago or that the Bulls offer the most for him as a 4 month rental. When I say "the most", I mean Boozer.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 05:32 PM
Haters won't want to hear it but LeBron has been a monster thus far. All he did last night is go 34-8-10-4 shooting over 61%.

Stop worrying about everyone else, retard.

RhymesayersDU
12-31-2011, 05:33 PM
Lakers get the calls. "Win" game.

Roll on the floor? No problem, Lakeers' ball!!!!!!

Are we really going to be that fanbase that complains about calls every time we lose?

Some bad/questionable calls went our way too, BTW.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 05:34 PM
Kyrie Irving is going to be a good player in this league. Hopefully he doesn't leave after a few years. :P

Im not saying he wont be good but he's a big drop off in athleticism when compared to Rose...or even John Wall.

It's interesting though how deep the PG position is becoming leaguewide.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 05:37 PM
Are we really going to be that fanbase that complains about calls every time we lose?

Some bad/questionable calls went our way too, BTW.

That's every fanbase. It's typical.

SoCalBronco
12-31-2011, 05:52 PM
OrangeSe7en, what's up with the Bulls defense this year? They are scoring more points, but outside of the Laker game (in the 4th), they aren't fully clicking defensively yet.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 05:57 PM
OrangeSe7en, what's up with the Bulls defense this year? They are scoring more points, but outside of the Laker game (in the 4th), they aren't fully clicking defensively yet.

I think it was like this last year. Im looking up some stats.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/chi/schedule?view=calendar&season=2010&m=11

Edit- Yeah, for the better part of the first month last year they were allowing higher scores and then around early December, they seemed to lock down more defensively.

One thing I'll point out is that the Bulls arent as deep at Center this year. This affects how aggressive they can be.

RhymesayersDU
12-31-2011, 05:58 PM
Haters won't want to hear it but LeBron has been a monster thus far. All he did last night is go 34-8-10-4 shooting over 61%.

I've always been a LeBron fan. The guy is a walking triple double. But there's a big difference between a game in December against Minnesota and a playoff game in June.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand your point on the LeBron haters. I've never agreed with that. But his game needs to be there in the playoffs.

SoCalBronco
12-31-2011, 06:16 PM
I think it was like this last year. Im looking up some stats.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/chi/schedule?view=calendar&season=2010&m=11

Edit- Yeah, for the better part of the first month last year they were allowing higher scores and then around early December, they seemed to lock down more defensively.

One thing I'll point out is that the Bulls arent as deep at Center this year. This affects how aggressive they can be.

Omer Asik has massive potential. He's already pretty effective defensively. If he can develop an offensive game, he could be a monster in a year or two. He was able to hold his own when he got alot of minutes in the Sacramento game due to Noah's foul issues. They are missing Thomas, but I think they'll be ok at center. I was hoping Gibson would take another step this year but I haven't seen it yet.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 06:38 PM
Omer Asik has massive potential. He's already pretty effective defensively. If he can develop an offensive game, he could be a monster in a year or two. He was able to hold his own when he got alot of minutes in the Sacramento game due to Noah's foul issues. They are missing Thomas, but I think they'll be ok at center. I was hoping Gibson would take another step this year but I haven't seen it yet.

Yeah, Asik is very much the anti-Euro. The dude isn't soft at all. The guy also averages an insane number of rebounds for the number of minutes that he plays. It was a real setback when he was injured in the playoffs last year.

Asik is the least of my worries. As a matter of fact, I would prefer a lineup of Rose, Hamilton, Deng, Noah, and Asik. I think they should let Boozer play with the second unit when Rose isn't on the court to provide more offense. The drawback would be that it thins their depth at center if Noah and Asik are accumulating fouls at the same time. Nevertheless, I feel this would be their best lineup. The thing I like about both Noah and Asik is that they're both extremely mobile. Both can run the court with practically any center in the league. I think Asiks worst problem offensively is holding onto the ball. He goes strong to the basket for the most part though.

Looking forward, the Bulls also hold the rights to Nikola Mirotic, who is the Euroleague MVP.

The softest player on the Bulls is Boozer. He plays soft on defense to stay out of foul trouble but he doesn't provide enough offense to justify this. It's really frustrating seeing guys take fouls because he let guys by.

Rolandftw
12-31-2011, 07:12 PM
Are we really going to be that fanbase that complains about calls every time we lose?

Some bad/questionable calls went our way too, BTW.

Exactly. Couple calls went Kobe's way, but if we make free throws/lay ups late, doesn't matter. This team has to learn how to close games. Could have beat either Portland or the Lakers, if they had been able to.

Hopefully, it's a learning experience and they get the Lakers tomorrow.

broncos-rock
12-31-2011, 07:38 PM
Exactly. Couple calls went Kobe's way, but if we make free throws/lay ups late, doesn't matter. This team has to learn how to close games. Could have beat either Portland or the Lakers, if they had been able to.

Hopefully, it's a learning experience and they get the Lakers tomorrow.

I agree but Scott Hastings was saying that the Lakers were getting the "home whistle" I bet you don't see any calls late going Denver's way tomorrow.

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 08:06 PM
I agree but Scott Hastings was saying that the Lakers were getting the "home whistle" I bet you don't see any calls late going Denver's way tomorrow.

That's your first problem.

OrangeCrush2724
12-31-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm not. I'm glad the Bulls aren't playing 4 on 5 anymore but the Heat look great so far. January is meaningless in relation to May or June though.

One added item of interest to all this is the matter of Dwight Howard. I think he'll probably either go to the Lakers or the Mavs but I'm hoping that he either warms to the idea to commiting to Chicago or that the Bulls offer the most for him as a 4 month rental. When I say "the most", I mean Boozer.

After Shaquille, Orlando is hoping for some real talent in exchange for Howard. Its weird that if he would wanted to win a championship, Bulls would be the obvious choice. I thinks he is looking for other things than just winning.

SoonerBronco
12-31-2011, 08:17 PM
Thunder Up!

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 08:32 PM
After Shaquille, Orlando is hoping for some real talent in exchange for Howard. Its weird that if he would wanted to win a championship, Bulls would be the obvious choice. I thinks he is looking for other things than just winning.

Yeah, I agree. I seems like he's an attention whore who wants to be near NYC or Hollywood. Having said that, he's the only legitimate C in the NBA and would likely be a game changer if coupled with Derrick Rose, as lame as he may be.

I don't think he'll end up in Chicago, but I'm glad the Bulls FO are committed to trying. He's really the only guy I'd be willing to trade Noah for, who would be reasonably available. Anthony wasn't that guy but Howard is.

As it is now, the Heat can put Derrick Rose in a vice because they have two elite players. If you add Howard into the mix, the roles are reversed somewhat.

SoCalBronco
12-31-2011, 08:42 PM
From what I've read, the reason he doesn't want to go to Chicago is the whole Adidas doesnt want two stars in one market thing. Not sure if thats true but it keeps coming up.

Rolandftw
12-31-2011, 08:57 PM
I agree but Scott Hastings was saying that the Lakers were getting the "home whistle" I bet you don't see any calls late going Denver's way tomorrow.

Maybe not. Gallo needs to bring it tomorrow, and it won't matter.

Jason in LA
12-31-2011, 09:16 PM
Lakers get the calls. "Win" game.

Roll on the floor? No problem, Lakeers' ball!!!!!!

Nuggets went to the free throw line 22 times compared to only 15 for the Lakers. Nuggets only made 14 of them.

Don't blame the refs.

stopgap
12-31-2011, 09:19 PM
I agree but Scott Hastings was saying that the Lakers were getting the "home whistle"

Everyone knows the homer that Hastings is. You can't really give merit to anything he says.

Just a bad day all around. Splitting a Lakers B2B wouldn't be too bad so here's to tomorrow!

OrangeSe7en
12-31-2011, 09:23 PM
From what I've read, the reason he doesn't want to go to Chicago is the whole Adidas doesnt want two stars in one market thing. Not sure if thats true but it keeps coming up.

But that was speculation based from a Yahoo article. It's possible that Adidas feels that way. But then, again, it's also possible that Adidas expands their appeal by ensuring both Howard and Rose are winners. China values winning. This is why Kobe sells more than LeBron in China.

The other flaw with that Yahoo article is that it assumed that Adidas felt it had Chicago covered, therefore Howard to Chicago was redundancy. The problem with that is that, Chicago is still Jordan's town to a large degree...in spite of Derrick Rose. Whether it's Jordan's or Nikes, there's still traction in Chicago going back to the Jordan era. It's a huge footprint that the Bulls franchise is still in. It helps Adidas tremendously to land Rose but it's not that they have Chicago in their hip pockets.

In the end, the article could be dead on, or it could be way off. Again, it's based on speculation. All bets are off at this point.

TonyR
01-01-2012, 10:30 AM
Stop worrying about everyone else, retard.

Who's worrying?

TonyR
01-01-2012, 10:32 AM
I've always been a LeBron fan. The guy is a walking triple double. But there's a big difference between a game in December against Minnesota and a playoff game in June.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand your point on the LeBron haters. I've never agreed with that. But his game needs to be there in the playoffs.

Completely agree. Best regular season player in the league. Has something to prove in the postseason.

OrangeSe7en
01-01-2012, 06:21 PM
It looks like Zach Randolph might be out for a while...or at least slowed by injury.

SoCalBronco
01-01-2012, 06:23 PM
It looks like Zach Randolph might be out for a while...or at least slowed by injury.

Memphis announcers said he is probable to return.

BTW...the defense is looking back to its old self. :)

OrangeSe7en
01-01-2012, 06:33 PM
Memphis announcers said he is probable to return.

BTW...the defense is looking back to its old self. :)

That's surprising. It didn't look good. Good for him.

Yeah, the defense has tightened it up a little. When a team shoots 26%, I'm not sure it's all defense,...but Ill take it.

BTW, it seems like Rose should have at least 5 more assists than he ends up with on a given night. The Bulls miss a lot of open kick outs.

SoCalBronco
01-01-2012, 06:35 PM
That's surprising. It didn't look good. Good for him.

Yeah, the defense has tightened it up a little. When a team shoots 26%, I'm not sure it's all defense,...but Ill take it.

They just changed it to he won't return, but they said it wasnt for medical reasons (blowout).

OrangeSe7en
01-01-2012, 06:41 PM
They just changed it to he won't return, but they said it wasnt for medical reasons (blowout).

Yeah, something wasn't making sense. He grabbed the back of his knee when it happened like it was an ACL, but then I just heard Memphis was reporting a bruise...on the back of the knee...really?

SoCalBronco
01-01-2012, 06:53 PM
This is a massive assraping.

Chicago 76 Memphis 32 late 3rd quarter.

OrangeSe7en
01-01-2012, 07:04 PM
This is a massive assraping.

Chicago 76 Memphis 32 late 3rd quarter.

And it takes an 84-44 lead to get Deng some rest.

****, Watson's down.

SoCalBronco
01-01-2012, 07:16 PM
The White Mamba in the game. Hopefully CJ is ok.

Requiem
01-01-2012, 07:18 PM
Are the Orlando Magic doing OK this year? GO MAG1C!

SoCalBronco
01-01-2012, 07:26 PM
Chicago 104 Memphis 64 Final

Hopefully CJ Watson is ok. I was hoping Scalabrine would make one.

OrangeSe7en
01-01-2012, 07:29 PM
John Lucas III really likes to shoot. He's like 6' tall if that.

SoCalBronco
01-01-2012, 07:29 PM
And the Lakers lose too....makes it even better. :)

broncos-rock
01-01-2012, 07:29 PM
Nice win by the Nuggies!

OrangeSe7en
01-01-2012, 07:40 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArYsmdMuv1za3r2cD82qvLG8vLYF?slug=ap-kings-cousins

Anyone want him?

RhymesayersDU
01-02-2012, 12:44 AM
Nuggies game was fun. Glad they got it back.

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2012, 03:28 PM
The Nuggets have an interesting game tonight against the Bucks who are 2-1. It seems Bogut might be finding his old form. Jennings is averaging 23 ppg while shooting over 45%.

spdirty
01-02-2012, 05:59 PM
Hopefully we see some Koufus and Manimal tonight.

RhymesayersDU
01-02-2012, 07:09 PM
Nuggies playing pretty poorly but manage to tie the game at the half.

spdirty
01-02-2012, 07:46 PM
They look worn out. Bull**** that the 3rd game of our B2B2B is against a team that's had 2 days off. Oh well, down 6 headed into the 4th. Be huge if we could scratch out a win.

spdirty
01-02-2012, 08:25 PM
Whew! Nice ugly win tonight. 2-1 on the 1st B2B2B. Enjoy the day off boys.

RhymesayersDU
01-02-2012, 08:32 PM
Yeah, REAL gritty win. These are the games that make the difference between say a 7th seed and maybe a 5th. These are the early season games we used to just mail in.

Real nice to see them pull it out.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2012, 03:53 PM
I have a feeling the Bulls are going to drop one tonight against the Hawks.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2012, 05:02 PM
This will be a weird season.

Some teams will burn themselves out before the playoffs.

Some teams will suffer an injury to one of their major players and fall further in the standings than they usually would, because there isn't time to adjust and there isn't as much time to bring the player back. That could lead to someone like Dallas, Chicago, OKC, or Miami missing the playoffs. If Dirk goes down, Dallas might get the first pick in the draft. If Kobe Bryant goes down, the Lakers will be in the lottery.

There will be a couple of young surprise teams that hold on to win streaks long enough to make the playoffs, and then possibly give an established team some problems there.

This could be one of those years where a team like LA or Boston makes the playoffs by the skin of their teeth and then make the finals.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2012, 08:31 PM
This will be a weird season.

Some teams will burn themselves out before the playoffs.

Some teams will suffer an injury to one of their major players and fall further in the standings than they usually would, because there isn't time to adjust and there isn't as much time to bring the player back. That could lead to someone like Dallas, Chicago, OKC, or Miami missing the playoffs. If Dirk goes down, Dallas might get the first pick in the draft. If Kobe Bryant goes down, the Lakers will be in the lottery.

There will be a couple of young surprise teams that hold on to win streaks long enough to make the playoffs, and then possibly give an established team some problems there.

This could be one of those years where a team like LA or Boston makes the playoffs by the skin of their teeth and then make the finals.

It could also be a year where some teams with aging players do a firesale at the deadline.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2012, 09:01 PM
It could also be a year where some teams with aging players do a firesale at the deadline.

True.

Boston and LAL are both candidates for that. Maybe Atlanta too.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2012, 09:20 PM
True.

Boston and LAL are both candidates for that. Maybe Atlanta too.

I wonder if Dallas would trade for Garnett, Gasol, or Bynum. I see that Dallas is near the bottom of the league in rebounding...it they don't get Howard.

RhymesayersDU
01-03-2012, 09:30 PM
I wonder if Dallas would trade for Garnett, Gasol, or Bynum. I see that Dallas is near the bottom of the league in rebounding...it they don't get Howard.

But Dallas has nobody of note to trade, do they? Outside of Dirk of course, who I assume they'd never trade.

Check the roster: http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks

All good players aging, no young players of note.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2012, 09:37 PM
I wonder if Dallas would trade for Garnett, Gasol, or Bynum. I see that Dallas is near the bottom of the league in rebounding...it they don't get Howard.

Dallas is taking it slow to start the season because they had so many changes and most of the guys are still out of shape. They'll have fine rebound numbers by the latter half of the season.

Dallas won't be trading for anyone but Deron Williams or Dwight Howard. They have set up their cap to go after both of those players in the offseason. Thats why they passed on Chandler and Barea. Some believe that there is already something brewing for Howard and Williams, and that it will either play out at the deadline or that it will go down in free agency. Dallas has good relationships with both of those guys' agents. Deron Williams hung out with the Mavs during the Finals (was even in the locker room sometimes) and Howard has wanted to come here for awhile.

Dallas can cut Haywood or Marion and have the cap space to sign them both. So you'd have a team of Dirk, Deron, and Dwight.

I'm not a fan at all of this superfriends stuff. The NBA used to be a place where the best players wanted to compete against each other to prove who was better.

That's why Dallas' championship was so awesome this year. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy it if those guys glommed onto Dirk to try to win a title of their own. They're both great players and Dwight is a decent guy too, but its still just not the same.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2012, 09:40 PM
But Dallas has nobody of note to trade, do they? Outside of Dirk of course, who I assume they'd never trade.

Check the roster: http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks

All good players aging, no young players of note.

I had a lapse. I forgot the already added Odom.

I guess they could maybe package Wright with Mahimni or Williams.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2012, 09:46 PM
Dallas is taking it slow to start the season because they had so many changes and most of the guys are still out of shape. They'll have fine rebound numbers by the latter half of the season.

Dallas won't be trading for anyone but Deron Williams or Dwight Howard. They have set up their cap to go after both of those players in the offseason. Thats why they passed on Chandler and Barea. Some believe that there is already something brewing for Howard and Williams, and that it will either play out at the deadline or that it will go down in free agency. Dallas has good relationships with both of those guys' agents. Deron Williams hung out with the Mavs during the Finals (was even in the locker room sometimes) and Howard has wanted to come here for awhile.

Dallas can cut Haywood or Marion and have the cap space to sign them both. So you'd have a team of Dirk, Deron, and Dwight.

I'm not a fan at all of this superfriends stuff. The NBA used to be a place where the best players wanted to compete against each other to prove who was better.

That's why Dallas' championship was so awesome this year. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy it if those guys glommed onto Dirk to try to win a title of their own. They're both great players and Dwight is a decent guy too, but its still just not the same.

Im sure you'd be OK with it if it played out like that. It might be different if this is what had to happen in order for Dirk to play on a team that won the championship. But now that Dirk has his ring, I'm sure you'd be OK with winning this way.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2012, 09:55 PM
Im sure you'd be OK with it if it played out like that. It might be different if this is what had to happen in order for Dirk to play on a team that won the championship. But now that Dirk has his ring, I'm sure you'd be OK with winning this way.

Nah, honestly I don't think I would. I would still be interested because I'm a Mavs fan, but it would be different. After having the satisfaction of seeing a true champion bear out the stress and pressure to win a title (Im a fan of both Elway and Dirk who have had really similar situations like that)...a guy that is true to his fans and his franchise and has always put the team first...it just wouldn't be the same watching him play with guys who couldn't quite do what Dirk did and bailed on their own franchises to make it easier on themselves. It would never be as satisfying.

The only thing that would be beneficial to me about that potential outcome is that Dirk would finally get the attention he deserves because that team would get almost as much attention as the Heat. Dirk's accomplishments would finally get noticed and he'd likely go out a guy who played in several NBA Finals and won multiple trophies. That would ensure that he would be looked at as a top 5-10 player in NBA history.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2012, 11:01 PM
Nah, honestly I don't think I would. I would still be interested because I'm a Mavs fan, but it would be different. After having the satisfaction of seeing a true champion bear out the stress and pressure to win a title (Im a fan of both Elway and Dirk who have had really similar situations like that)...a guy that is true to his fans and his franchise and has always put the team first...it just wouldn't be the same watching him play with guys who couldn't quite do what Dirk did and bailed on their own franchises to make it easier on themselves. It would never be as satisfying.

The only thing that would be beneficial to me about that potential outcome is that Dirk would finally get the attention he deserves because that team would get almost as much attention as the Heat. Dirk's accomplishments would finally get noticed and he'd likely go out a guy who played in several NBA Finals and won multiple trophies. That would ensure that he would be looked at as a top 5-10 player in NBA history.

If you don't want Howard, Ill take him. Too bad he doesn't want to play in Chicago, though. I'd even take him as a rental if they'd take Boozer's contract.

RhymesayersDU
01-04-2012, 10:52 AM
Z-Bo out 8 weeks, Memphis to suck again.

Boobs McGee
01-04-2012, 12:28 PM
Nah, honestly I don't think I would. I would still be interested because I'm a Mavs fan, but it would be different. After having the satisfaction of seeing a true champion bear out the stress and pressure to win a title (Im a fan of both Elway and Dirk who have had really similar situations like that)...a guy that is true to his fans and his franchise and has always put the team first...it just wouldn't be the same watching him play with guys who couldn't quite do what Dirk did and bailed on their own franchises to make it easier on themselves. It would never be as satisfying.

The only thing that would be beneficial to me about that potential outcome is that Dirk would finally get the attention he deserves because that team would get almost as much attention as the Heat. Dirk's accomplishments would finally get noticed and he'd likely go out a guy who played in several NBA Finals and won multiple trophies. That would ensure that he would be looked at as a top 5-10 player in NBA history.

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epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 03:25 PM
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When Dirk is done he'll be a top-10 scorer, he'll be in the top-20 in rebounding, he'll be one of the winningest players in NBA history, etc.

If the Mavs add Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, I think its fair to say that the Mavs will remain competitive until Dirk is almost 40, and that will give Dallas several more shots at the title. Dirk has already played in two finals, winning one.

He's on the verge of the top 10 as it stands today.

kamakazi_kal
01-04-2012, 03:58 PM
what team do you think has the best looking jersey home or away?

Rolandftw
01-04-2012, 04:02 PM
Dallas can cut Haywood or Marion and have the cap space to sign them both. So you'd have a team of Dirk, Deron, and Dwight.



Not true. Even if they amnesty Haywood, they would need to find a taker for Marion to have a chance at both.

As it stands, they have $32.8 million committed to five players and a cap hold of roughly $2.8 million (400,000 for each roster spot under 12). That puts them at $35.6. The cap is set at $58 million for next offseason, so there's no way less then $22.5 million in cap space get them Dwight and Deron.

Getting rid of Marion as well, would get them closer but they still wouldn't be able to offer max contracts to both.

Boobs McGee
01-04-2012, 04:50 PM
When Dirk is done he'll be a top-10 scorer, he'll be in the top-20 in rebounding, he'll be one of the winningest players in NBA history, etc.

If the Mavs add Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, I think its fair to say that the Mavs will remain competitive until Dirk is almost 40, and that will give Dallas several more shots at the title. Dirk has already played in two finals, winning one.

He's on the verge of the top 10 as it stands today.

He's nowhere NEAR top 10 all time dude.

Top 20 Rebounding? Come on now. Pure speculation on your part. He's still 4k rebounds away from Charles Oakley (#20 all time) which he isn't even going to SNIFF. If he continues to be productive for the next few years (40 years old? Another big stretch on your part), he'll probably scratch top ten scoring. 4k points is doable.

He's a great scorer. With "1" title (as of right now). Not exactly the stuff NBA Legends are made of.

"IF" he can keep it going, he might break top 25.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 04:56 PM
Not true. Even if they amnesty Haywood, they would need to find a taker for Marion to have a chance at both.

As it stands, they have $32.8 million committed to five players and a cap hold of roughly $2.8 million (400,000 for each roster spot under 12). That puts them at $35.6. The cap is set at $58 million for next offseason, so there's no way less then $22.5 million in cap space get them Dwight and Deron.

Getting rid of Marion as well, would get them closer but they still wouldn't be able to offer max contracts to both.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

Lamar Odom is a team option. He can be let go after this season.

If Dallas trades/amnesties Haywood, then they are only committed to 32.3 million for 2012. If they trade/amnesty Marion, it gets that number down closer to 24 million.

The only other players under contract for 2012 (besides Dirk) are Beaubois and Dom Jones, both of whom could easily be flipped for picks.

Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson are the most creative roster managers in the league. They'll be able to offer competitive offers to both Williams and Dwight Howard, plus they'll be able to offer them several peripheral benefits that even out any discrepancies. Texas does not tax income. DFW is the 4th or 5th biggest media market in the country (a plus for marketing purposes regarding endorsements). Cuban has given Mavs players a life of luxury that other teams do not provide (tech-filled luxurious facilities, a luxurious team plane, etc, etc). Dallas is a destination...especially now that Dirk beat James, Bosh, and Wade and is still going strong.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 05:27 PM
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

Lamar Odom is a team option. He can be let go after this season.

If Dallas trades/amnesties Haywood, then they are only committed to 32.3 million for 2012. If they trade/amnesty Marion, it gets that number down closer to 24 million.

The only other players under contract for 2012 (besides Dirk) are Beaubois and Dom Jones, both of whom could easily be flipped for picks.

Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson are the most creative roster managers in the league. They'll be able to offer competitive offers to both Williams and Dwight Howard, plus they'll be able to offer them several peripheral benefits that even out any discrepancies. Texas does not tax income. DFW is the 4th or 5th biggest media market in the country (a plus for marketing purposes regarding endorsements). Cuban has given Mavs players a life of luxury that other teams do not provide (tech-filled luxurious facilities, a luxurious team plane, etc, etc). Dallas is a destination...especially now that Dirk beat James, Bosh, and Wade and is still going strong.

I thought it was: NY, LA, Chi, Hou, Phila,...

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 05:30 PM
He's nowhere NEAR top 10 all time dude.

Top 20 Rebounding? Come on now. Pure speculation on your part. He's still 4k rebounds away from Charles Oakley (#20 all time) which he isn't even going to SNIFF. If he continues to be productive for the next few years (40 years old? Another big stretch on your part), he'll probably scratch top ten scoring. 4k points is doable.

He's a great scorer. With "1" title (as of right now). Not exactly the stuff NBA Legends are made of.

"IF" he can keep it going, he might break top 25.

Dirk is a little below his usual average right now at 22.5 ppg. If he averages that over this season, he will pass Elgin Baylor, Dantley, Parrish, Barkley, Garnett, and maybe Iverson.

If Dirk averages 22.5 ppg next season, he'll climb all the way up to inside the top 15, passing Ewing, West, Miller, and Alex English.

That will put him at 13 all time at the end of his contract with Dallas.

Lets say his scoring average the following season drops to 20.0. He'd pass Havlicek, Dominique Wilkins, Oscar Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Elvin Hayes, and Moses Malone to get to #7 all time.

If Dirk plays 3 more seasons, he'll be a top 10 scorer. 4 more seasons and he's a top-5 scorer.

He has led the Mavs to 11-straight 50-win seasons and playoff appearances (and going)...something very few people can say they have done. He turned the franchise around. The Mavs were the joke of the league before Dirk, and they're now a champion.

Dirk is one of the few people in the 50/40/90 club.

Dirk is one of the four people in the 25/10 playoff averages club.

Dirk is second only to Jerry West in 30-point scoring games in elimination playoff games. West has 14, Dirk has 13. Dirk could very likely tie or pass West in that category this season.

Of the 100 top elimination game performances of the past two decades, Dirk has 8 of them...more than any other player.

Had the most efficient scoring performance ever in the Western conference Finals against OKC last year.

Had one of the most brilliant individual playoff runs of all time with Dallas last year.

11-time All-NBA.

10-time all-star.

NBA MVP.

NBA Finals MVP.

NBA Champion.

Is the only player other than Shaquille O'Neal to win both the NBA MVP and the FIBA World Championships MVP.


...and thats just the start.

When Dirk's career is over, he'll have as impressive of a list of accomplishments as anyone in the top 10.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 05:31 PM
He's nowhere NEAR top 10 all time dude.

Top 20 Rebounding? Come on now. Pure speculation on your part. He's still 4k rebounds away from Charles Oakley (#20 all time) which he isn't even going to SNIFF. If he continues to be productive for the next few years (40 years old? Another big stretch on your part), he'll probably scratch top ten scoring. 4k points is doable.

He's a great scorer. With "1" title (as of right now). Not exactly the stuff NBA Legends are made of.

"IF" he can keep it going, he might break top 25.

The top 10 might be a stretch. Without ranking them, tell me if he's better than any of these guys:

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Olajuwon
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Oscar
Kobe
Duncan

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 05:33 PM
The top 10 might be a stretch. Without ranking them, tell me if he's better than any of these guys:

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Olajuwon
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Oscar
Kobe
Duncan

Olajuwon is the only other player on that list to lead his team to a title without any other all-stars.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 05:33 PM
Dirk is a little below his usual average right now at 22.5 ppg. If he averages that over this season, he will pass Elgin Baylor, Dantley, Parrish, Barkley, Garnett, and maybe Iverson.

If Dirk averages 22.5 ppg next season, he'll climb all the way up to inside the top 15, passing Ewing, West, Miller, and Alex English.

That will put him at 13 all time at the end of his contract with Dallas.

Lets say his scoring average the following season drops to 20.0. He'd pass Havlicek, Dominique Wilkins, Oscar Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Elvin Hayes, and Moses Malone to get to #7 all time.

If Dirk plays 3 more seasons, he'll be a top 10 scorer. 4 more seasons and he's a top-5 scorer.

He has led the Mavs to 11-straight 50-win seasons and playoff appearances (and going)...something very few people can say they have done. He turned the franchise around. The Mavs were the joke of the league before Dirk, and they're now a champion.

Dirk is one of the few people in the 50/40/90 club.

Dirk is one of the four people in the 25/10 playoff averages club.

Dirk is second only to Jerry West in 30-point scoring games in elimination playoff games. West has 14, Dirk has 13. Dirk could very likely tie or pass West in that category this season.

Of the 100 top elimination game performances of the past two decades, Dirk has 8 of them...more than any other player.

Had the most efficient scoring performance ever in the Western conference Finals against OKC last year.

Had one of the most brilliant individual playoff runs of all time with Dallas last year.

11-time All-NBA.

10-time all-star.

NBA MVP.

NBA Finals MVP.

NBA Champion.

Is the only player other than Shaquille O'Neal to win both the NBA MVP and the FIBA World Championships MVP.


...and thats just the start.

When Dirk's career is over, he'll have as impressive of a list of accomplishments as anyone in the top 10.

There's more to it than where you rank on all time scoring and rebounding lists.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Olajuwon is the only other player on that list to lead his team to a title without any other all-stars.

Would you honestly put Dirk over most of the guys on that list?

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Would you honestly put Dirk over most of the guys on that list?

What have they done that makes them better than Dirk?

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 05:38 PM
What have they done that makes them better than Dirk?

Have a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis, in addition to statistical arguments.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 05:42 PM
Have a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis, in addition to statistical arguments.

Which of them has 11 straight seasons of 50-plus wins?

I'll give you a hint: start with Duncan.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 05:47 PM
Which of them has 11 straight seasons of 50-plus wins?

I'll give you a hint: start with Duncan.

That's great.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 05:52 PM
That's great.

No, you said that Dirk didn't "Have a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis"

I just showed you that Dirk's "consistent winning" is hard to match...even among top 10 players.

Which of them have 11-straight (and growing) playoff appearances?

crush17
01-04-2012, 05:56 PM
Go Nuggets!

:D

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:00 PM
No, you said that Dirk didn't "Have a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis"

I just showed you that Dirk's "consistent winning" is hard to match...even among top 10 players.

Which of them have 11-straight (and growing) playoff appearances?

So, you think Dirk had a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis than Jordan, Magic, and Bird simply based on winning 50 games?

Boobs McGee
01-04-2012, 06:06 PM
No, you said that Dirk didn't "Have a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis"

I just showed you that Dirk's "consistent winning" is hard to match...even among top 10 players.

Which of them have 11-straight (and growing) playoff appearances?

* 8 of which involved not getting out of the second round, and 4 of which involved getting b**** bounced out in the first round.

man what an increeeeeeedible statiiiiiiiiiistic.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:08 PM
So, you think Dirk had a greater impact on winning on a consistent basis than Jordan, Magic, and Bird simply based on winning 50 games?

Point out to me the other players with 11+ consecutive playoff appearances.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:09 PM
* 8 of which involved not getting out of the second round, and 4 of which involved getting b**** bounced out in the first round.

man what an increeeeeeedible statiiiiiiiiiistic.

Well, considering that Kobe Bryant hasn't been able to do it, I'd say that it is pretty incredible.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:13 PM
Point out to me the other players with 11+ consecutive playoff appearances.

I'm talking about contending. You're talking about a bunch of other stuff.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:17 PM
I'm talking about contending. You're talking about a bunch of other stuff.

"Contending" is subjective.

You can't ignore that no matter what the circumstance, that Dirk has led his team to the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons and potentially more. Those are facts. That is an objective fact.

Dirk has been to the Finals twice and the Western Conference Finals three times, and his career is still rolling strong.

Boobs McGee
01-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Well, considering that Kobe Bryant hasn't been able to do it, I'd say that it is pretty incredible.

Kobe Bryant and his 14 out of 15 season (including 5 championships) playoff run are laughing at you right now.


If you really want to know why your boy isn't going to ever be legendary, here's the short answer.

Dude has holes in his game.

How many seasons has he averaged more than 10 rebounds a game?
Assists? More than 3 per game?

Exactly. The dude is a SOFT 7 footer that makes his bacon shooting over smaller players with an incredibly accurate (and indefensible) jumpshot. Everyone outside of Dallas knows that he's a below average defender, that scoops out cherries bouncing his way.

He's one dimensional. He's a notorious choke artist. His stats are inflated.

Last year, he made magic happen. (with an incredible SHOOTING display).

Dude is not a well rounded player, no matter WHICH club he belongs to. He's a great shooter...which isn't enough to make you an all time great.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:22 PM
"Contending" is subjective.

You can't ignore that no matter what the circumstance, that Dirk has led his team to the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons and potentially more. Those are facts. That is an objective fact.

Dirk has been to the Finals twice and the Western Conference Finals three times, and his career is still rolling strong.

How many teams make the playoffs every year? I'm not really sure that this is all you're making it up to be when 16 teams make the playoffs every year.

RhymesayersDU
01-04-2012, 06:22 PM
Well, considering that Kobe Bryant hasn't been able to do it, I'd say that it is pretty incredible.

Kobe Bryant also never choked in the Finals and also was never the leader of a heavily favored 1 seed that would lose to an 8 seed.

This game is fun.

TDmvp
01-04-2012, 06:26 PM
Kobe Bryant also never choked in the Finals and also was never the leader of a heavily favored 1 seed that would lose to an 8 seed.

This game is fun.



Hold up ... Kobe totally choked in the finals vs the Celtics a few years back.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:27 PM
Kobe Bryant and his 14 out of 15 season (including 5 championships) playoff run are laughing at you right now.


If you really want to know why your boy isn't going to ever be legendary, here's the short answer.
Dude has holes in his game.

How many seasons has he averaged more than 10 rebounds a game?
Assists? More than 3 per game?

Exactly. The dude is a SOFT 7 footer that makes his bacon shooting over smaller players with an incredibly accurate (and indefensible) jumpshot. Everyone outside of Dallas knows that he's a below average defender, that scoops out cherries bouncing his way.

He's one dimensional. He's a notorious choke artist. His stats are inflated.

Last year, he made magic happen. (with an incredible SHOOTING display).

Dude is not a well rounded player, no matter WHICH club he belongs to. He's a great shooter...which isn't enough to make you an all time great.

This is also not true. Dirk is one of the more unique players in the history of the NBA and will always be distinguished as such. He might be the best PF of all time. No PF in the history of the NBA has made you defend all parts of the floor like Dirk. He's been an excellent rebounder. He's not one dimensional at all.

Having said that, this doesn't mean he's top 10.

Epic's not stupid. Notice how hard he is trying to set the criteria of the debate. This is what good debaters do. They try to shape the discussion and focus it on what they want. It's foolish to not respect Dirk and say a bunch of outrageous things about him because this allows Epic to reframe the debate further to his advantage. The best thing you can do is acknowledge Dirk but also recognize Epics methods in shaping the debate and not allow yourself to get sucked in by debating on his terms.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:29 PM
Kobe Bryant also never choked in the Finals and also was never the leader of a heavily favored 1 seed that would lose to an 8 seed.

This game is fun.

You guys are all over the place. Hilarious!

The other poster raised a premise, which I corrected for him. His premise was that Dirk didn't consistently contribute to wins, which is a false premise.

The only other player that I know of in his list that pulled the same thing off is Tim Duncan.

Tim Duncan also lost to an 8 seed as a 1 seed.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:33 PM
You guys are all over the place. Hilarious!

The other poster raised a premise, which I corrected for him. His premise was that Dirk didn't consistently contribute to wins, which is a false premise.

The only other player that I know of in his list that pulled the same thing off is Tim Duncan.

Tim Duncan also lost to an 8 seed as a 1 seed.

If you're referring to last year, we all know that Duncan is/was a shell of his former self. Rarely do these debates focus on who was the best when they got old. No one cares about that.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:34 PM
This is also not true. Dirk is one of the more unique players in the history of the NBA and will always be distinguished as such. He might be the best PF of all time. No PF in the history of the NBA has made you defend all parts of the floor like Dirk. He's been an excellent rebounder. He's not one dimensional at all.

Having said that, this doesn't mean he's top 10.

Epic's not stupid. Notice how hard he is trying to set the criteria of the debate. This is what good debaters do. They try to shape the discussion and focus it on what they want. It's foolish to not respect Dirk and say a bunch of outrageous things about him because this allows Epic to reframe the debate further to his advantage. The best thing you can do is acknowledge Dirk but also recognize Epics methods in shaping the debate and not allow yourself to get sucked in by debating on his terms.

I was debating on your terms, dude. :)

You raised the premise that Dirk didn't consistently contribute to wins. I used the immediately obvious data to argue your premise.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:35 PM
If you're referring to last year, we all know that Duncan is/was a shell of his former self. Rarely do these debates focus on who was the best when they got old. No one cares about that.

The facts are the facts.

You keep raising subjective mitigating circumstances, but they don't change the facts.

Boobs McGee
01-04-2012, 06:35 PM
This is also not true. Dirk is one of the more unique players in the history of the NBA and will always be distinguished as such. He might be the best PF of all time. No PF in the history of the NBA has made you defend all parts of the floor like Dirk. He's been an excellent rebounder. He's not one dimensional at all.

Having said that, this doesn't mean he's top 10.

Yes, you're correct. He's a 7 footer that can shoot. Couple that with the fact that he's 7 foot and averages less than 10 rebounds a game, and you have a unique player. A soft 7 footer that can shoot but is known for being the recipient of easy rebounds. He's unique because he's soft, gigantic, and can hit j's.

He's very one dimensional.

To that point, he's average or below average in blocked shots, post defense, post rebounds, and playing D against anyone with decent strength. What does that turn you into? A prolific 7 foot jumpshooter.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:36 PM
I was debating on your terms, dude.

No you weren't. You arbitrarily used 50 wins as a criteria. That was all you. I said it has more to do with contending.

You raised the premise that Dirk didn't consistently contribute to wins. I used the immediately obvious data to argue your premise.

See above.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:38 PM
No you weren't. You arbitrarily used 50 wins as a criteria. That was all you. I said it has more to do with contending.

See above.

Dallas made the playoffs in each of those seasons.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:38 PM
Yes, you're correct. He's a 7 footer that can shoot. Couple that with the fact that he's 7 foot and averages less than 10 rebounds a game, and you have a unique player. A soft 7 footer that can shoot but is known for being the recipient of easy rebounds. He's unique because he's soft, gigantic, and can hit j's.

He's very one dimensional.

To that point, he's average or below average in blocked shots, post defense, post rebounds, and playing D against anyone with decent strength. What does that turn you into? A prolific 7 foot jumpshooter.

That's not true. He doesn't get his points exclusively from the outside. That's what you're focusing on because that's the most unusual part of his game given his height. He's very adequate playing inside, however.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:39 PM
Yes, you're correct. He's a 7 footer that can shoot. Couple that with the fact that he's 7 foot and averages less than 10 rebounds a game, and you have a unique player. A soft 7 footer that can shoot but is known for being the recipient of easy rebounds. He's unique because he's soft, gigantic, and can hit j's.

He's very one dimensional.

To that point, he's average or below average in blocked shots, post defense, post rebounds, and playing D against anyone with decent strength. What does that turn you into? A prolific 7 foot jumpshooter.

Dirk is #8 among active players in defensive win shares.

Do you want to know who he is ranked ahead of? I would tell you but your head would probably explode. Ha!

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2012, 06:39 PM
Dallas made the playoffs in each of those seasons.

Again, this is your criteria, not mine.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:41 PM
That's not true. He doesn't get his points exclusively from the outside. That's what you're focusing on because that's the most unusual part of his game given his height. He's very adequate playing inside, however.

He's just mad because he was all gung ho last season about his idea that Gasol was better than Nowitzki and Nowitzki just used him up in that 4-0 sweep. Nowtizki is literally undefeated against Gasol in the playoffs, having never lost a single game to a Gasol team.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:42 PM
That's not true. He doesn't get his points exclusively from the outside. That's what you're focusing on because that's the most unusual part of his game given his height. He's very adequate playing inside, however.

Dirk has been a high post player for most of his career.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 06:43 PM
Again, this is your criteria, not mine.

This was one of my answers to your premise. Unless you can provide me with some alternative facts that show that my counter argument is inadequate, then it stands unchallenged.

Rolandftw
01-04-2012, 09:11 PM
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

Lamar Odom is a team option. He can be let go after this season.

If Dallas trades/amnesties Haywood, then they are only committed to 32.3 million for 2012. If they trade/amnesty Marion, it gets that number down closer to 24 million.

The only other players under contract for 2012 (besides Dirk) are Beaubois and Dom Jones, both of whom could easily be flipped for picks.

Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson are the most creative roster managers in the league. They'll be able to offer competitive offers to both Williams and Dwight Howard, plus they'll be able to offer them several peripheral benefits that even out any discrepancies. Texas does not tax income. DFW is the 4th or 5th biggest media market in the country (a plus for marketing purposes regarding endorsements). Cuban has given Mavs players a life of luxury that other teams do not provide (tech-filled luxurious facilities, a luxurious team plane, etc, etc). Dallas is a destination...especially now that Dirk beat James, Bosh, and Wade and is still going strong.

Wasn't even including Odom's salary in my figures. The Mavericks could dump everyone but Dirk and Marion (they won't be able to dump his salary, with only late round picks to entice a team AND you can only amnesty one player, not two) but they'd still only have $25 million of cap space with all of their roster holds. Deron and Dwight are not signing in Dallas for $12.5 million a season, when Dwight can get over $19 million and Deron over $17 million.

You can only be creative to the point that is humanly possible.

You're really fooling yourself if you think Dallas is really that great of an option for either free agent. Dwight demanded a trade to the Nets after all, not Dallas. And Deron has strongly implied that he wants to stay with the Nets. An aging Dirk and nothing else will not be enough to entice either player to sign there most likely.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2012, 09:58 PM
Wasn't even including Odom's salary in my figures. The Mavericks could dump everyone but Dirk and Marion (they won't be able to dump his salary, with only late round picks to entice a team AND you can only amnesty one player, not two) but they'd still only have $25 million of cap space with all of their roster holds. Deron and Dwight are not signing in Dallas for $12.5 million a season, when Dwight can get over $19 million and Deron over $17 million.

You can only be creative to the point that is humanly possible.

You're really fooling yourself if you think Dallas is really that great of an option for either free agent. Dwight demanded a trade to the Nets after all, not Dallas. And Deron has strongly implied that he wants to stay with the Nets. An aging Dirk and nothing else will not be enough to entice either player to sign there most likely.

Dallas was a team that Dwight requested to be traded to. Deron is from Dallas and hung out with the team through the playoffs last year.

It is a very real possibility that one or both end up in Dallas by this time next year.

Rolandftw
01-04-2012, 10:36 PM
The Nets were and supposedly still are #1 on Dwight's list.

I think it's possible one goes to Dallas, but no way both do. And the one that went to Dallas would have to be okay with only Dirk and Marion essentially on the roster. And likely being in a rebuilding situation within 3 years.

They could both go to the Nets along with likely a top pick (Drummond/Barnes/Lamb). Got to be a lot more enticing for both of them.

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 01:18 AM
The Nets were and supposedly still are #1 on Dwight's list.

I think it's possible one goes to Dallas, but no way both do. And the one that went to Dallas would have to be okay with only Dirk and Marion essentially on the roster. And likely being in a rebuilding situation within 3 years.

They could both go to the Nets along with likely a top pick (Drummond/Barnes/Lamb). Got to be a lot more enticing for both of them.

Not true at all. The Mavs can get both, and it won't be too difficult to work it out.

OrangeSe7en
01-05-2012, 05:04 AM
This was one of my answers to your premise. Unless you can provide me with some alternative facts that show that my counter argument is inadequate, then it stands unchallenged.

Your counterargument is simply something that doesn't matter to me. If 50 win seasons and playoff appearances is something that makes you proud, then good for you. It's not what matters to me though. All the guys on the list that I referenced earlier, routinely played on teams that made deep runs into the playoffs. I have enormous respect for Dirk but I'm not buying what your selling with 50 win seasons and being 1/16 teams to make the playoffs.

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 05:51 AM
Your counterargument is simply something that doesn't matter to me. If 50 win seasons and playoff appearances is something that makes you proud, then good for you. It's not what matters to me though. All the guys on the list that I referenced earlier, routinely played on teams that made deep runs into the playoffs. I have enormous respect for Dirk but I'm not buying what your selling with 50 win seasons and being 1/16 teams to make the playoffs.

The facts that I gave you provide a more than adequate rebuttal to your premise that Dirk does not contribute to wins.

Dirk, without the help of a second superstar player since Nash left (and when Nash was in Dallas he wasnt a superstar), has carried his team to the playoffs and to various levels of playoff success (Including 3 trips to the conference finals and two trips to the finals).

Dirk didnt have Shaq, didnt have Ginobili, etc. It has been him and a sixth man of the year candidate.

Again, tell me which players in the top ten have 11 consecutive playoff appearances.

OrangeSe7en
01-05-2012, 06:30 AM
The facts that I gave you provide a more than adequate rebuttal to your premise that Dirk does not contribute to wins.

Dirk, without the help of a second superstar player since Nash left (and when Nash was in Dallas he wasnt a superstar), has carried his team to the playoffs and to various levels of playoff success (Including 3 trips to the conference finals and two trips to the finals).

Dirk didnt have Shaq, didnt have Ginobili, etc. It has been him and a sixth man of the year candidate.

Again, tell me which players in the top ten have 11 consecutive playoff appearances.

I've already told you this isn't as important as contending and that I don't really care about this. So why would I even bother?

Just to give you some idea, during Magic's first 12 years in the league, the Lakers made it to at least the WCF in 10/12 years. 8 of those years, they were in the NBA finals. They won 4 titles.

Let's do it this way. Give me your 6-15 list. That would be easier than seeing you dance around issue's that aren't important to others.

ColoradoBuff
01-05-2012, 08:15 AM
how 'bout them Nuggets! :)

SonOfLe-loLang
01-05-2012, 08:29 AM
I know the Heat had their terrible lapse in the finals last year, but damn they look good this year

OrangeSe7en
01-05-2012, 08:31 AM
I know the Heat had their terrible lapse in the finals last year, but damn they look good this year

Yeah, they do. It seems like the zone still gives them trouble but they are so good at turning defense into offense.

RhymesayersDU
01-05-2012, 08:35 AM
MANIMAL.

Rolandftw
01-05-2012, 10:10 AM
Not true at all. The Mavs can get both, and it won't be too difficult to work it out.

Lol. I give up.

Everyone will sign with the Mavs for the vet minimum, because Cuban is so awesome. /Mavs fans logic

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 12:51 PM
Lol. I give up.

Everyone will sign with the Mavs for the vet minimum, because Cuban is so awesome. /Mavs fans logic

Did all of the Heat players sign for max contracts?

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 12:55 PM
I know the Heat had their terrible lapse in the finals last year, but damn they look good this year

They got beat by a better team in the finals.

TonyR
01-05-2012, 01:16 PM
LeBron 33-8-13, without Wade, in a 35 point blowout against a decent team. Nasty.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-05-2012, 02:08 PM
They got beat by a better team in the finals.

Sure. Doesn't mean Miami ALSO played poorly though. I still don't think Wade and Bron are good complements to each other (though both beastly), but i assume they can make it work on talent alone.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-05-2012, 02:09 PM
LeBron 33-8-13, without Wade, in a 35 point blowout against a decent team. Nasty.

Hardly a shock. He kicked ass with Cleveland too, and that team was talentless.

I ****ing hate Lebron for going to Miami. Hate it. He shoulda gone to the knicks.

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 02:20 PM
Sure. Doesn't mean Miami ALSO played poorly though. I still don't think Wade and Bron are good complements to each other (though both beastly), but i assume they can make it work on talent alone.

Dallas took Miami out of what they wanted to do on both ends.

Miami thought that a couple of dunks would intimidate Dallas into giving up. I guess that Dallas wasn't as mentally weak as Miami was.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-05-2012, 02:23 PM
Dallas took Miami out of what they wanted to do on both ends.

Miami thought that a couple of dunks would intimidate Dallas into giving up. I guess that Dallas wasn't as mentally weak as Miami was.

No doubt, Dallas was beastly that series. They outplayed Miami and frustrated em. Would Dallas win 7/8 out of 10 7 game series against them? Probably not. But they were certainly the better team for that one

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 02:34 PM
No doubt, Dallas was beastly that series. They outplayed Miami and frustrated em. Would Dallas win 7/8 out of 10 7 game series against them? Probably not. But they were certainly the better team for that one

Dallas beat the life out of them. By the end of game 6, the Heat looked just like the Lakers did in game 4 of the sweep series...lifeless. They were resorting to cheap fouls and had looks of confusion on their faces. They had no answers for Dallas.

Dallas beat them in every way...especially in the clutch.

Dallas beat them 4/6 times in the finals, plus 2/2 times in the regular season. That makes 6/8. That's 75% of the time. So Dallas did beat them the statistical equivalent of 7.5 times out of 10.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-05-2012, 02:41 PM
Dallas beat the life out of them. By the end of game 6, the Heat looked just like the Lakers did in game 4 of the sweep series...lifeless. They were resorting to cheap fouls and had looks of confusion on their faces. They had no answers for Dallas.

Dallas beat them in every way...especially in the clutch.

Dallas beat them 4/6 times in the finals, plus 2/2 times in the regular season. That makes 6/8. That's 75% of the time. So Dallas did beat them the statistical equivalent of 7.5 times out of 10.

Again, i'm agreeing with you that Dallas was the better team. I ALSO think Miami didn't put their best foot forward during that final. the two arent mutually exclusive

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2012, 02:59 PM
Again, i'm agreeing with you that Dallas was the better team. I ALSO think Miami didn't put their best foot forward during that final. the two arent mutually exclusive

No, they did.

Dallas' best foot forward just won the season series 75% of the time. Miami wasn't good enough. Iso-ball with no center and no point guard only gets you so far...even when you have a couple of the best iso players in the league.

Rolandftw
01-05-2012, 04:18 PM
Did all of the Heat players sign for max contracts?

No, but they signed for a hell of a lot more then $11.5 million a season.

OrangeSe7en
01-05-2012, 07:17 PM
It's kind of strange to hear people always talk about the compressed schedule and then see that the NBA only has 4 games tonight.

spdirty
01-06-2012, 07:20 PM
You don't **** with Koufus! He was a 4th quarter stud tonight!

RhymesayersDU
01-06-2012, 07:22 PM
Love me some Koufos. Greek pride.

stopgap
01-06-2012, 07:23 PM
KK may be unseating Moz soon

Rolandftw
01-06-2012, 09:01 PM
I think they both need to play. We need them both for depth.

Great win tonight. This was the kind of game that in past years we would have lost easy.

spdirty
01-07-2012, 07:22 AM
I think they both need to play. We need them both for depth.

Great win tonight. This was the kind of game that in past years we would have lost easy.

Feels good to know that they can play like sh t for 3 quarters, turn it on in the 4th with a 19-2 run or whatever it was, and cruise the last 5 minutes.

Big game tonight against the Sterns. Let's keep er Rollin.

RhymesayersDU
01-07-2012, 08:32 AM
Feels good to know that they can play like sh t for 3 quarters, turn it on in the 4th p.

Another Tebow team... what is in the water in this town?

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2012, 06:45 PM
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Rolandftw
01-08-2012, 01:00 AM
Tough loss to the Spurs for Denver. Ty couldn't get many foul calls on his drive, and Denver apparently couldn't remember to guard the perimeter. It's insane how much the Spurs go off on Denver from outside every time they play.

SimonFletcher73
01-11-2012, 11:10 PM
Nuggets beat Nets tonight. In related news:

http://deadspin.com/5875384/jr-smiths-sister-choked-a-woman-during-a-brawl-in-china-involving-the-same-team-that-beat-up-georgetown/gallery/1

TonyR
01-12-2012, 05:44 AM
Nuggets beat Nets tonight.

Anybody know why Lawson didn't play?

RhymesayersDU
01-12-2012, 06:29 AM
Anybody know why Lawson didn't play?

He hurt his ankle versus the Hornets. I believe he could have played (they had him listed as day-to-day I believe) if they needed him, but it's a game against the Nets in January, so yeah.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-12-2012, 05:02 PM
Maven?

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epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Corey Brewer is fun, isn't he?

Love that dude.

sinuous sausage
01-13-2012, 09:44 PM
basketball...it sucks

bombay
01-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Nuggets aren't playing very well, but enough to be up 10 on Miami. I suspect it's miami's ineptitude more than the Nugs skill. Harrington looks good, though.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 09:50 PM
basketball...it sucks

LOL

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 09:57 PM
Uh oh...Wade went down like he was shot by a sniper.

He must have a bruise again. Go get the wheelchair.

Thats one tough guy, playing through bruises sometimes and all.

He's the only guy in the NBA who plays with pads like an MLB catcher and he still misses games with bruises.

Toughness.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 10:06 PM
Wade has left the building. Must be a serious bruise this time.

OrangeSe7en
01-13-2012, 10:07 PM
Nuggets aren't playing very well, but enough to be up 10 on Miami. I suspect it's miami's ineptitude more than the Nugs skill. Harrington looks good, though.

They look good to me.

OrangeSe7en
01-13-2012, 10:08 PM
Uh oh...Wade went down like he was shot by a sniper.

He must have a bruise again. Go get the wheelchair.

Thats one tough guy, playing through bruises sometimes and all.

He's the only guy in the NBA who plays with pads like an MLB catcher and he still misses games with bruises.

Toughness.

Wasn't he mocking Dirk last year in the finals for being sick/hurt?

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 10:12 PM
Wasn't he mocking Dirk last year in the finals for being sick/hurt?

Yep. And then Dirk came out and wiped the floor with them in the fourth quarter of that game while sick and having a torn tendon in his shooting hand.

Wade is fake tough.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 10:15 PM
Loved seeing the Carmelo Anthony jersey with a "Tebow" nameplate replacing "Anthony" on the #15.

Anthony bailed on that city.

SureShot
01-13-2012, 10:20 PM
Melon did us a cavorted dude is a loser

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2012, 10:52 PM
Melon did us a cavorted dude is a loser

Maybe so.

If he couldn't handle the pressure of carrying a team in Denver, I'm really not sure how he's going to manage NY.

cutthemdown
01-13-2012, 11:06 PM
Lakers defense a lot better this yr.

SimonFletcher73
01-13-2012, 11:59 PM
Hope Maven got a chance to see the game!

OrangeSe7en
01-14-2012, 07:15 AM
Whatever. I don't know why a Miami fan would stress losing a few regular season games. It's all about what happens in the postseason for them.

SimonFletcher73
01-14-2012, 08:13 AM
Whatever. I don't know why a Miami fan would stress losing a few regular season games. It's all about what happens in the postseason for them.

Didn't seem like the Heat cared about the game either.

Did Dwayne Wade think he'd get to shoot free throws after he went down like he got shot in the leg?

OrangeSe7en
01-14-2012, 08:23 AM
Didn't seem like the Heat cared about the game either.

Did Dwayne Wade think he'd get to shoot free throws after he went down like he got shot in the leg?

I think they cared. It's been a rough stretch of road for Miami starting with their loss to GS. Denver's depth should really help them in a condensed season. I thought last night was more about Denver than it was Miami's struggles though. In the preceding games, Miami was able to keep it close. Denver just keeps coming at you though.

SimonFletcher73
01-14-2012, 08:38 AM
Did seem like a tough match up for Miami. Lawson is just so fast that nobody can keep up with him. Lebron and Bosh had a combined -33 +/-. Won't get it done.

Nuggets have went from 60-1 to 20-1 odds to win the title in just the past few weeks. Love this team. Will take depth over Melo jacking up shots as he pleases.

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2012, 10:49 AM
Did seem like a tough match up for Miami. Lawson is just so fast that nobody can keep up with him. Lebron and Bosh had a combined -33 +/-. Won't get it done.

Nuggets have went from 60-1 to 20-1 odds to win the title in just the past few weeks. Love this team. Will take depth over Melo jacking up shots as he pleases.

Anthony is probably the NBA's biggest black hole...the ball is passed in but never comes back out. Amare Stoudemire is the same kind of player. I dont see that team in NY being more than a second-round-and-done type of team unless the right match-ups fall into their lap. After coaching Nash's Suns, D'Antoni cant be enjoying that situation.

RhymesayersDU
01-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Went to the Miami game a few nights ago, lot of fun as always.

Anyways re: Wade, check the highlights he rolled his ankle something fierce.

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2012, 01:11 PM
Went to the Miami game a few nights ago, lot of fun as always.

Anyways re: Wade, check the highlights he rolled his ankle something fierce.

Wade rolled his ankle just like anyone does when they sprain their ankle.

Wade is the only person (maybe Paul Pierce) who may need a wheelchair to get off the floor.

Dude's a wuss.

RhymesayersDU
01-15-2012, 01:29 PM
Get it out of your system?

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2012, 02:09 PM
Get it out of your system?

I'll quit talking about how Wade is the biggest Wuss in the NBA when I never hear another word about him being "tough".

He's not even as tough as fake tough Kevin Garnett.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Wheelchairs for shoulder injuries are the new hotness.

RhymesayersDU
01-15-2012, 03:08 PM
I'll quit talking about how Wade is the biggest Wuss in the NBA when I never hear another word about him being "tough".

He's not even as tough as fake tough Kevin Garnett.

So... no, then?

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 02:04 AM
So... no, then?

I'd just like to add that Wade is the first person I have ever seen miss time for a bruise.

When you over exaggerate run-of-the-mill contact every time you go into the lane like you are a puppet on a tangled string getting jerked around by a 2-year old, overexaggerate "injuries" that arent even injuries, you get taken off the floor crying in a wheelchair for shoulder injuries, and you miss time in the NBA Finals for a bruise on your hip...you ain't tough.

The NBA has a lot of fake tough people like Wade. I'd say that Wade is easily the queen of the fake tough though, and its not even close.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 12:44 PM
Wheelchairs for shoulder injuries are the new hotness.

Fitty was inspired by that moment and wrote these lines for his song "Mentawl Tuffniss":

"I ain't gon out on a stretcha like Pierce
Imma roll off tha flo in a wheelchair like Wade"

TonyR
01-16-2012, 01:34 PM
Where the hell did the Sixers come from? Hard to argue they aren't a top 5 team right now.

RMT
01-16-2012, 03:20 PM
Kind of OT but I've got a set of 4 Club Level tickets to the Rockets/Nuggets game on Monday, February 6. Section 254, Row 3. PM me if you are interested.

Man-Goblin
01-16-2012, 07:08 PM
I'll quit talking about how Wade is the biggest Wuss in the NBA when I never hear another word about him being "tough".

He's not even as tough as fake tough Kevin Garnett.

I like that you don't like the same players I don't like. Anyways, Wade's vagina is shrunk from the PEDs.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Anthony is probably the NBA's biggest black hole...the ball is passed in but never comes back out. Amare Stoudemire is the same kind of player. I dont see that team in NY being more than a second-round-and-done type of team unless the right match-ups fall into their lap. After coaching Nash's Suns, D'Antoni cant be enjoying that situation.

The Knicks should figure out a way to get rid of Stoudemire because he and Anthony can't co-exist. Not to mention, all these players are completely wrong for anything D'Antoni excels at doing. What Melo could use is a back to the basket kind of center that commands a double team. That would leave an iso player like Melo (who is an amazing iso player) free to go crazy.

Also, a point guard would help. Baron Davis clearly isnt a long term answer, but i am curious to see how he plays once activated

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 08:51 PM
The Knicks should figure out a way to get rid of Stoudemire because he and Anthony can't co-exist. Not to mention, all these players are completely wrong for anything D'Antoni excels at doing. What Melo could use is a back to the basket kind of center that commands a double team. That would leave an iso player like Melo (who is an amazing iso player) free to go crazy.

Also, a point guard would help. Baron Davis clearly isnt a long term answer, but i am curious to see how he plays once activated

Baron Davis is (or at least used to be when he was good) also a high usage player.

I think that the Knicks banked this group on the promise that Chris Paul would be there setting up shots for them.

But as constructed, they have a horrible defensive team with guys who dont really fit together on offense.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 08:52 PM
I like that you don't like the same players I don't like. Anyways, Wade's vagina is shrunk from the PEDs.

Yeah, those two guys are as unlikeable as anyone in league history.

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2012, 08:53 PM
Where the hell did the Sixers come from? Hard to argue they aren't a top 5 team right now.

Its early in a lockout-shortened season with no offseason.

The older teams are just getting into shape and the younger teams can get by on their athleticism alone.

Boobs McGee
01-16-2012, 10:23 PM
Mr clutch.

24champ
01-16-2012, 10:59 PM
Mr clutch.

http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/74/fullj.6fe9bd00c433d404bdc1ccb50fb6d9df/6fe9bd00c433d404bdc1ccb50fb6d9df-getty-137242828.jpg

Boobs McGee
01-17-2012, 06:40 AM
^5

TonyR
01-17-2012, 07:42 AM
Its early in a lockout-shortened season with no offseason.

The older teams are just getting into shape and the younger teams can get by on their athleticism alone.

Agree, but this could go both ways. The "older" teams are at more risk for getting worn down by this compressed schedule. The Sixers are not only young but have a pretty good bench.

RhymesayersDU
01-17-2012, 06:15 PM
Nuggies balling all over the Bucks at halftime.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2012, 08:50 AM
Baron Davis is (or at least used to be when he was good) also a high usage player.

I think that the Knicks banked this group on the promise that Chris Paul would be there setting up shots for them.

But as constructed, they have a horrible defensive team with guys who dont really fit together on offense.

Actually, the knicks have been better defensively...they cant get that offense in shape though.

Rolandftw
01-18-2012, 01:26 PM
Sixers vs Nuggets tonight. Should be an exciting game. Hoping Denver can keep it close... will be a tough win on a back to back.

RhymesayersDU
01-18-2012, 05:07 PM
Got home and the Nuggies were down like 15, go on a great freaking run and are up 6 at the half. Keep it up boys.

SpringStein
01-18-2012, 07:43 PM
Andre Miller pulled this one out. Nugs W in OT.

RhymesayersDU
01-18-2012, 08:20 PM
Andre Miller, Denver's new most popular Miller!

Yeah fantastic game, he carried them for sure.

OrangeSe7en
01-19-2012, 06:29 AM
I've really enjoyed watching the Clippers emerge as a new force in the NBA. It's kind of a breath of fresh air to see new blood sometimes.

At the same time, I think the Lakers are a stealthy team and could be really tough at the end of the year.

I'd really love to see the Lakers and Clippers play against each other in the playoffs. I think it could be a real blood bath of a series.

This is what I'd like to see from the west this year:

1. Thunder
2. Spurs
3. Nuggets
4. Clippers
5. Lakers
6. Blazers
7. Mavericks
8. Grizzlies

This way it would be Thunder-Grizzlies, Spurs-Mavs, Nuggets-Blazers, and Clippers-Lakers in the first round.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-19-2012, 08:24 AM
Clippers rely so much on their starters for big minutes and have a weak bench. If that trend keeps up and Paul still hobbles around, they'll be shot in time for the playoffs. There's not much to lean on behind their top-5.

OrangeCrush2724
01-19-2012, 01:52 PM
Wade rolled his ankle just like anyone does when they sprain their ankle.

Wade is the only person (maybe Paul Pierce) who may need a wheelchair to get off the floor.

Dude's a wuss.

My God, you are such a drama queen. We get it, he pissed on your dance in 2006 and you don't like him. Enough of the drama already.

OrangeCrush2724
01-19-2012, 01:58 PM
I've really enjoyed watching the Clippers emerge as a new force in the NBA. It's kind of a breath of fresh air to see new blood sometimes.

At the same time, I think the Lakers are a stealthy team and could be really tough at the end of the year.

I'd really love to see the Lakers and Clippers play against each other in the playoffs. I think it could be a real blood bath of a series.

This is what I'd like to see from the west this year:

1. Thunder
2. Spurs
3. Nuggets
4. Clippers
5. Lakers
6. Blazers
7. Mavericks
8. Grizzlies

This way it would be Thunder-Grizzlies, Spurs-Mavs, Nuggets-Blazers, and Clippers-Lakers in the first round.

Thunder are a scary team. They should be in the finals this year with a bit more experience.

Lakers and Clippers does sound good. But wait, I'm not ready to count out Kobe just yet. It should be a fun playoffs this year.

Of course, the Bulls look amazing this year with Rose, and rumors of Pierce going there will be scary for the Heat.

OrangeSe7en
01-19-2012, 05:37 PM
Thunder are a scary team. They should be in the finals this year with a bit more experience.

Lakers and Clippers does sound good. But wait, I'm not ready to count out Kobe just yet. It should be a fun playoffs this year.

Of course, the Bulls look amazing this year with Rose, and rumors of Pierce going there will be scary for the Heat.

I'm not counting out the Lakers. As I alluded to, I think they can be a very tough out in the playoffs and should go stronger, provided they stay healthy. I think if you get the right matchups in the west though (like the ones I mentoned for example), you can get 4 great series.

Honestly, I think if I had to wager on any one team in the west or the field, I'd take the field. OKC seems to have the best chance but I think they're far from automatic.

BTW, I really don't see the Bulls getting Pierce. He makes too much money and Deng is better. Getting Pierce would be stupid for the Bulls. If the Bulls were to trade Hamilton, Korver, and their low first round pick (likely), Allen might make sense. No one else really does.

OrangeSe7en
01-20-2012, 02:10 PM
Maven must either be dead or in prison.

OrangeSe7en
01-20-2012, 09:02 PM
It's like a tale of two cities...in one city. The Clippers are up on the Wolves by 9 at the half without Paul. The power of belief counts for a lot. We saw it with Tebow. But now you can also see it with the Clippers. Even with Paul not playing, the fact that he's now on the roster would suggest that the Clippers now expect to win...and so they do. There's a little bit of a pygmalion effect here, no?

I still think the Lakers will turn the corner at some point this year even though they're looking rough now.

Again, I just hope we get to see the Lakers and Clippers in a bloodbath of a series in the first round of the playoffs.

I just saw that Deron Williams has the Lakers on his list of teams. It's kind of an interesting to see how LA approaches this. PG is probably LAs biggest need for an upgrade but, in the long run, Howard might be the best acqusition. Do they forego Williams by trading Gasol and Bynum to Orlando for Howard? Or do they trade Gasol or Bynum and stuff for Deron Williams?

What makes it interesting is that, if the Lakers don't get either, both Howard and Deron Williams could easily end up in Dallas.

TDmvp
01-20-2012, 10:26 PM
Wow who would have ever thought Minn./L.A.C. would have been such a great game.

Great ending.

OrangeSe7en
01-20-2012, 10:31 PM
Wow who would have ever thought Minn./L.A.C. would have been such a great game.

Great ending.

Yeah, awesome clutch shooting from their two most high-profile players.

Meanwhile, back in Cleveland, my Bulls trounced the Cavs on the road by 39 without their best player.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 07:17 AM
I need to catch the highlights of the Minny game, heard it was real good.

Impressed with the Nuggies road trip. 4 games in 5 nights, currently 3-0 with a showdown with the Knicks tonight.

Now I know, they didn't play anybody really of note out of the East. They didn't play the Bulls/Heat/Celtics/Magic or even the Hawks. They played Milwaukee, Philly (who have been surprising), Washington, and tonight the Knicks. Not exactly the powerhouses.

But to me, a great road trip. In years past, they would have dropped a game or 2 on this trip. Either the 2nd night of the back to back with Philly, or they would have overlooked Washington on their way to New York. Then at the end of the year, they'd not surprisingly be a game or 2 back from where they wanted to be.

spdirty
01-21-2012, 04:08 PM
Really want George to shove it up his ass tonight.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 07:26 PM
Wild game in the Garden tonight, heading to 2OT.

spdirty
01-21-2012, 07:29 PM
These guys are pooped. 4 in 5 nights 2OT game. Damn. Hope they find the energy to pull it out.

spdirty
01-21-2012, 07:38 PM
Harringtons balls just drag on the floor. Love that guy.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 07:51 PM
Harringtons balls just drag on the floor. Love that guy.

He's the anti-Nene. Big shot to win it from Big Al.

I hated AH last year, but I guess he was just hurt. Going into the year, the Nuggs were running a story about how he's healthy now, looking for a big year, etc, and I basically thought I'd believe it when I see it.

Well, I see it. He's having a great year, and I hope he keeps it up.

Nuggies sweep a road trip, 4 games in 5 nights, and play 3 total OTs on top of it. Incredible.

Again, I know they didn't play any of the good EC teams, but Nuggets teams of years past would have gone 1-3 on this trip or 2-2 at best.

SpringStein
01-21-2012, 07:54 PM
And they did it with only 7 guys.

Why was Birdman not activated - coaches decision?

colorado jones
01-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Awesome win Nuggets. The shot Miller hit when Harrington lost the ball was crazy.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 08:09 PM
Awesome win Nuggets. The shot Miller hit when Harrington lost the ball was crazy.

That reminded me of a half court shot he hit like 8 years ago against San Antonio in the playoffs. It was Carmelo's rookie season.

colorado jones
01-21-2012, 08:29 PM
That reminded me of a half court shot he hit like 8 years ago against San Antonio in the playoffs. It was Carmelo's rookie season.

I remember that as well. Dre has been so solid this road trip....and now we have a chance to go 5-0 on this road trip.

This was a game we shouldn't of won and it feels great.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 08:34 PM
I believe we're headed home, roadie is over.

colorado jones
01-21-2012, 08:42 PM
We are @ Sactown on Wednesday.

Toronto at the can on Friday.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 08:47 PM
Oh wow you're right. I guess it's just the eastern trip that is over.

bombay
01-21-2012, 08:48 PM
The Nuggets move to 30-12 post Carmelo with a double OT win in NY tonight. Knicks are 20-26 with Carmelo. Galinari scored 37 points, 9-19 from the field, 18-20 from the line. 11 boards. Carmelo scored 25, 10-30 from the field, 10 boards. Timofy Mosgov, the other remaining Knick in Denver, had 16 points and 11 boards. He's a 7'1", 22 year old Russian.

Mike D'Antoni looks like he'd like to be anywhere but where he is (coach of ball stopper Carmelo's team) but will likely hold out to get fired rather than walk away from a big contract.

Go Nuggets.

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bombay
01-21-2012, 08:49 PM
I believe we're headed home, roadie is over.

Home for two days then on to Sactown.

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 09:00 PM
The Nuggets move to 30-12 post Carmelo with a double OT win in NY tonight. Knicks are 20-26 with Carmelo. Galinari scored 37 points, 9-19 from the field, 18-20 from the line. 11 boards. Carmelo scored 25, 10-30 from the field, 10 boards. Timofy Mosgov, the other remaining Knick in Denver, had 16 points and 11 boards. He's a 7'1", 22 year old Russian.

Mike D'Antoni looks like he'd like to be anywhere but where he is (coach of ball stopper Carmelo's team) but will likely hold out to get fired rather than walk away from a big contract.

Go Nuggets.

Nuggets are 12-5 this year to the Knicks 6-10.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

I was reading an article earlier, and I can't find the link now, but it talked about organizations setting up their teams for success or failure.

It's pretty clear they've set D'Antoni up for failure. They signed a coach who wants to run and share the ball. Key to that philosophy is a great PG. Sure, they couldn't get Nash to leave Phoenix, but they could have gotten somebody I'm sure.

Instead they get Carmelo. The ultimate ball stopper and half court player. Don't get me wrong, he has a place in a certain type of offense with a certain type of team. The guy can score the ball. I don't want this to turn into taking potshots at Carmelo.

But he's not a fit for D'Antoni's offense. The guy desperately needs a point guard.

bombay
01-21-2012, 09:23 PM
I was reading an article earlier, and I can't find the link now, but it talked about organizations setting up their teams for success or failure.

It's pretty clear they've set D'Antoni up for failure. They signed a coach who wants to run and share the ball. Key to that philosophy is a great PG. Sure, they couldn't get Nash to leave Phoenix, but they could have gotten somebody I'm sure.

Instead they get Carmelo. The ultimate ball stopper and half court player. Don't get me wrong, he has a place in a certain type of offense with a certain type of team. The guy can score the ball. I don't want this to turn into taking potshots at Carmelo.

But he's not a fit for D'Antoni's offense. The guy desperately needs a point guard.

Letting Chauncey go in favor of Chandler was very foolish. Not that Chauncey has championship energy anymore, but he'd have been much more help than Chandler for this particular team. Not that Chandler wouldn't have helped Dallas a lot, like he did last season. I wonder sometimes how these GMs get and keep their jobs.

bombay
01-21-2012, 09:52 PM
The Nuggets, by the way, are so young that they would be well under the minimum salary floor if it were in place this season. This team could afford to sign two difference makers if they could find guys who want to win and are willing to run and keep the ball moving. The Avs are in the same position. They have some young stars (Ryan O'Reilly) but are well under the minimum salary cap and can afford (may have to) sign a couple of star type players.

Kroenke has learned a lot in his 15 (?!) years of ownership of the Nugs/Avs. Won two Stanley Cups while learning, and went to the Western Conference finals or further in 9 of their first 10 seasons in Denver.


The Nuggets trail only OKC (13-3) in the West.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

RhymesayersDU
01-21-2012, 11:13 PM
Yeah the future will be interesting for the Nuggets. I'm definitely in the "we're one player away" camp, but it has absolutely got to be the right player. They can't blow this like they've done in the past.

bombay
01-21-2012, 11:23 PM
Yeah the future will be interesting for the Nuggets. I'm definitely in the "we're one player away" camp, but it has absolutely got to be the right player. They can't blow this like they've done in the past.

Yeah. Not Pierce or Garnett.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-22-2012, 12:02 AM
Letting Chauncey go in favor of Chandler was very foolish. Not that Chauncey has championship energy anymore, but he'd have been much more help than Chandler for this particular team. Not that Chandler wouldn't have helped Dallas a lot, like he did last season. I wonder sometimes how these GMs get and keep their jobs.

Keeping Chauncey wouldnt have done anything. They really dont have the right PG for the system and have two ISO scorers. it makes ZERO sense. They need to figure out a way to deal Stoudemire. Maybe Steve NAsh will come next year or something.

A bunch of talented players that REALLY dont fit together

Im still sore LeBron didnt come to NYC. That would have been a GREAT team

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah. Not Pierce or Garnett.

Dude, totally read my mind. I want no part of the Celtics break up. Well I'd entertain Ray Allen but that's it.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 08:37 AM
I was reading an article earlier, and I can't find the link now, but it talked about organizations setting up their teams for success or failure.

It's pretty clear they've set D'Antoni up for failure. They signed a coach who wants to run and share the ball. Key to that philosophy is a great PG. Sure, they couldn't get Nash to leave Phoenix, but they could have gotten somebody I'm sure.

Instead they get Carmelo. The ultimate ball stopper and half court player. Don't get me wrong, he has a place in a certain type of offense with a certain type of team. The guy can score the ball. I don't want this to turn into taking potshots at Carmelo.

But he's not a fit for D'Antoni's offense. The guy desperately needs a point guard.

Well, before they make anymore personnel moves, they really need to decide who will be their coach of the future. There's chatter out of NY about trying to get Phil Jackson. This would make getting a PG less important. There's also talk of getting Jeff Van Gundy. I'm not so sure it's important to have a great PG under him either.

And while you can say D'Antoni has been set up for failure, you could just as easily say the same thing about Carmelo. Neither D'Antoni or Carmelo are known for playing defense. That ultimately might be what NYK needs the most.

BTW, it's hard not to wonder if there are limitations to D'Antoni's system. It's a very role specific offense and defense isn't exactly D'Antoni's forte. Between Chicago, Miami, and Philadelphia, the Eastern Conference is becoming a meatgrinder of tough defense. You have to question whether a D'Antoni coached team plays enough defense to make it past multiple teams that get after it defensively. His offense is really role specific. It uses a lot of pick and role and also kicks out to open spot up jump shooters. A lot of people have commented that Galinari has improved when leaving NYK but it's also possible that he was this good in NY but had other skills that were hidden by playing in a very role specific system.

I think D'Antoni works if you want to go from bad to being competitive. But I'd have my concerns about it being affective against teams at the highest level. I think he can get you to the precupice of being good but I'm not so sure about that next level.

Rolandftw
01-22-2012, 08:48 AM
The Nuggets, by the way, are so young that they would be well under the minimum salary floor if it were in place this season. This team could afford to sign two difference makers if they could find guys who want to win and are willing to run and keep the ball moving.

While true before free agency started, this is no longer true after the Nene and Afflalo signings. Denver is right at the salary cap this season. Likely will be right at the cap again next year if they keep Gallinari, and add backup PG's and C's in free agency. Might have $7-8 million of cap space left after signing Gallo, if they amnesty Birdman.

Anyways, great win last night. Could tell both teams were dead late in the game. Not much ball movement by either side although that was a great pass to Al late. Hope the guys get some much needed rest and are ready against Sacramento Wednesday.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 08:57 AM
Yeah the future will be interesting for the Nuggets. I'm definitely in the "we're one player away" camp, but it has absolutely got to be the right player. They can't blow this like they've done in the past.

Who would that player be? With the emergence of Mozgov, you're better off than you were last year. Last year, Nene and whoever against Bynum and Gasol would have been a little scary. Now, it's a little less scary. Im not saying Mozgov is on Bynum's level but Denver has more in the post than they did last year.

You look at the various types of teams that could give Denver problems and it's still pretty much a case that Denver can win against a lot of teams as theyre currently constituted. Plus, don't they get Chandler back?

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 08:59 AM
While true before free agency started, this is no longer true after the Nene and Afflalo signings. Denver is right at the salary cap this season. Likely will be right at the cap again next year if they keep Gallinari, and add backup PG's and C's in free agency. Might have $7-8 million of cap space left after signing Gallo, if they amnesty Birdman.

Anyways, great win last night. Could tell both teams were dead late in the game. Not much ball movement by either side although that was a great pass to Al late. Hope the guys get some much needed rest and are ready against Sacramento Wednesday.

Yeah, it seemed the Nuggets were relying on Gallo just as much as the Knicks were relying on Carmelo. The media is making a lot of how Carmelo was carrying the team (because others weren't involved) but Gallo was doing the same thing for Denver.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 10:12 AM
Who would that player be? With the emergence of Mozgov, you're better off than you were last year. Last year, Nene and whoever against Bynum and Gasol would have been a little scary. Now, it's a little less scary. Im not saying Mozgov is on Bynum's level but Denver has more in the post than they did last year.

You look at the various types of teams that could give Denver problems and it's still pretty much a case that Denver can win against a lot of teams as theyre currently constituted. Plus, don't they get Chandler back?

You make a good point. I don't know who it would be, what position it would be, who we'd replace on the roster. I just... I'm not saying we need a "superstar" but I do think we need somebody to carry them team when it needs it. Maybe that's Gallo, and maybe he is developing in front our eyes, I don't know.

I just still fear crunch time. I'd love it if we could do what the Pistons did a few years ago, I'm just slightly skeptical. I'll be more convinced if we could at least get out of the first round of the playoffs this year.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 10:14 AM
I think D'Antoni works if you want to go from bad to being competitive. But I'd have my concerns about it being affective against teams at the highest level. I think he can get you to the precupice of being good but I'm not so sure about that next level.

Your defensive concerns are certainly valid... Although I do wonder what the story would be if Amar'e never left the bench against the Spurs that year. If he doesn't get suspended, I think they had a tremendous chance to win it all.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 10:23 AM
Well, before they make anymore personnel moves, they really need to decide who will be their coach of the future. There's chatter out of NY about trying to get Phil Jackson. This would make getting a PG less important. There's also talk of getting Jeff Van Gundy. I'm not so sure it's important to have a great PG under him either.

It's funny you bring up Phil; the author of the article I was reading said that a player like Carmelo would be perfect for, of course, the triangle, just like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. Now is Carmelo on those guys' level? Of course not, those were Top-10 players all-time. But he's at least in the mold of elite scorer who can iso at all times and get his jump shot at all times.

Also, re: D'Antoni: what's interesting to think back on is the summer that he signed with the Knicks, he had his choice of Knicks or Bulls. If memory serves correctly, he chose Knicks before the lottery was played out. That decision still baffles me. Anyways, he chose Knicks, and then the Bulls won the lottery and went on to select Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose may not be Steve Nash in terms of passing, but I really wonder what D'Antoni could do with that level of talent running his offense.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 10:46 AM
It's funny you bring up Phil; the author of the article I was reading said that a player like Carmelo would be perfect for, of course, the triangle, just like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. Now is Carmelo on those guys' level? Of course not, those were Top-10 players all-time. But he's at least in the mold of elite scorer who can iso at all times and get his jump shot at all times.

This may or may not be correct. When Phil first brought the triangle to Chicago, Jordan was skeptical of it. He called it "equal opportunity offense". Of course, there are modifications to it since you want your best players shooting. To what degree this accommodates Anthony more than another offense would, I'm not sure. One thing the triangle definitely does though is diminishes the need for a pure PG.

The other thing that needs to be pointed out is that Jordan and Bryant could both play defense. Anthony doesn't. So while you could look at the triangle and say that it works at a championship level, what happens if Jordan or Bryant play defense like Anthony?

If I were the Knicks and hired Jackson or Brian Shaw, one of the first things I think I might do is try to trade for someone like Paul George to be the Point Forward.

Also, re: D'Antoni: what's interesting to think back on is the summer that he signed with the Knicks, he had his choice of Knicks or Bulls. If memory serves correctly, he chose Knicks before the lottery was played out. That decision still baffles me. Anyways, he chose Knicks, and then the Bulls won the lottery and went on to select Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose may not be Steve Nash in terms of passing, but I really wonder what D'Antoni could do with that level of talent running his offense.

I'm not so sure the Bulls were an option for him. If memory serves, the management had concerns about defense.

Edit:

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-and-rumors/articles/76491-jerry-reinsdorf-mike-dantoni-scared-of-defense

Yes, as I said, defense was a concern. And, of all people, it was Jerry Reinsdorf who had doubts. Looking back, Reinsdorf was right. As a Bulls fan, there's a sense of nostalgia in me that thinks the Bulls and Knicks should be strong on defense as that was the case back in the 90s. I'm glad Reinsdorf interjected with his concerns in this area. I wish the Knicks owner would do the same.

I like it when teams stay true to some historical identity. It's the same with how the Nuggets play now. They don't score like they did in the early 80s--no one does. But they play a style of basketball that's both effective and aesthetically pleasing.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 10:48 AM
This may or may not be correct. When Phil first brought the triangle to Chicago, Jordan was skeptical of it. He called it "equal opportunity offense". Of course, there are modifications to it since you want your best players shooting. To what degree this accommodates Anthony more than another offense would, I'm not sure. One thing the triangle definitely does though is diminishes the need for a pure PG.

The other thing that needs to be pointed out is that Jordan and Bryant could both play defense. Anthony doesn't. So while you could look at the triangle and say that it works at a championship level, what happens if Jordan or Bryant play defense like Anthony?

If I were the Knicks and hired Jackson or Brian Shaw, one of the first things I think I might do is try to trade for someone like Paul George to be the Point Forward.



I'm not so sure the Bulls were an option for him. If memory serves, the management had concerns about defense.

Obviously your point on defense is valid, and perhaps Carmelo will never be able to be great no matter what coach and team is around him.

You may be right on D'Antoni, I remember it as he interviewed with both and basically had his choice and he took New York. Although considering they hired a defensive coach, you may be right.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 10:56 AM
Obviously your point on defense is valid, and perhaps Carmelo will never be able to be great no matter what coach and team is around him.

You may be right on D'Antoni, I remember it as he interviewed with both and basically had his choice and he took New York. Although considering they hired a defensive coach, you may be right.

See my edit.

Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf said today on WMVP-AM (1000) he believes one of the main reasons that conversations with Mike D'Antoni didn't continue was D'Antoni might have been scared off by Reinsdorf's mandate on playing better defense.

Reinsdorf, appearing on the "Waddle and Silvy Show," said if conversations continued he might have made D'Antoni an offer.

"The Knicks told him they loved him, and they rushed him like you rush for a fraternity, and we hadn't made up our minds," Reinsdorf said. "Is that indecisive? It may be, but this is a pretty important hire. This is a very important hire, particularly the way the Lottery worked out [with the Bulls getting the first draft pick]. I think it's only appropriate that we take our time. He said there was no rush, by the way. Then the next morning he went to the Knicks."


The irony is that they hired Del Negro whose weakness was defense and end of game situations. But then again, he probably didn't have to pay Vinny Del Negro as much as he would have Mike D'Antoni, so the risk of being wrong wasn't as severe. Plus, Del Negro played PG in the league and it might have been seen as having value in terms of developing Rose.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 10:59 AM
Interesting stuff. Obviously D'Antoni isn't a defensive coach, but man him and Rose could be something spectacular.

Tombstone RJ
01-22-2012, 11:02 AM
The Nuggets, by the way, are so young that they would be well under the minimum salary floor if it were in place this season. This team could afford to sign two difference makers if they could find guys who want to win and are willing to run and keep the ball moving. The Avs are in the same position. They have some young stars (Ryan O'Reilly) but are well under the minimum salary cap and can afford (may have to) sign a couple of star type players.

Kroenke has learned a lot in his 15 (?!) years of ownership of the Nugs/Avs. Won one Stanley Cup while learning, and went to the Western Conference finals or further in 9 of their first 10 seasons in Denver.


The Nuggets trail only OKC (13-3) in the West.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

fyp

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 11:06 AM
You make a good point. I don't know who it would be, what position it would be, who we'd replace on the roster. I just... I'm not saying we need a "superstar" but I do think we need somebody to carry them team when it needs it. Maybe that's Gallo, and maybe he is developing in front our eyes, I don't know.

I just still fear crunch time. I'd love it if we could do what the Pistons did a few years ago, I'm just slightly skeptical. I'll be more convinced if we could at least get out of the first round of the playoffs this year.

I think Gallo is that player now. Look at last night. He knocks down open jump shots, he can drive to the baskets, and he can also win the game from the free throw line. That's what you want right there. Also, if anyone loads up on Gallo, I don't think he'll try to force it like, say, Anthony would.


Right now the Nuggets are the antithesis of a "Big 3". There's actually something at stake in how they're playing. If the Nuggets win or contend, they validate the notion that you don't need super stars. The Pistons kind of did it when they beat the Lakers in 04 but that was before this proliferation of all of these Super Friends teams.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 11:10 AM
Not that I want to bash Gallo, but had he made both his FT's last night at the end, we wouldn't have gone to OT if memory serves correctly. Not to mention blowing the layup in Los Angeles.

But I do like what we're getting out of him in general, hopefully he continues to improve. Believe me, I'd love for us to win with this group of guys. I just, well I'm a bit skeptical.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 11:13 AM
Interesting stuff. Obviously D'Antoni isn't a defensive coach, but man him and Rose could be something spectacular.

I disagree. I think D'Antoni's system is too role specific. I think it stifles the versatility of wing players who are only required to set up on the perimeter and hit open jumpers.

I think the Bulls would be better off spreading the floor more but not in the way that D'Antoni's offense accomplishes this. I think Boozer has been the piece that doesn't fit. Noah is one of the best passing Cs in the NBA. The Bulls currently have a number of guys who can flash to the basket in Rose, Deng, Gibson, and Brewer. The way Boozer played a lot last year, he would drag an extra defender into the lane and if that defender had any kind of length, he would struggle. So it's a two fold problem in that it makes Boozer less effective as well as it takes away from what would be one of the Bulls strengths (utilizing Noah's passing to guys flashing to the basket). I think the Bulls would be better off with someone like Andrea Bargnani at PF. He's a poor man's Dirk Nowitzki. Lately, Boozer has been knocking down jumpers away from the basket and the Bulls offense has had more flow. But I worry about Boozer going cold at some point and reverting back to last year.

Tombstone RJ
01-22-2012, 11:17 AM
D'Antoni, just another former Nuggets coach, one of many...

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 11:18 AM
Not that I want to bash Gallo, but had he made both his FT's last night at the end, we wouldn't have gone to OT if memory serves correctly. Not to mention blowing the layup in Los Angeles.


But I do like what we're getting out of him in general, hopefully he continues to improve. Believe me, I'd love for us to win with this group of guys. I just, well I'm a bit skeptical.

That's a silly criticism, especially since he more than made up for it in OT. He was 18/20 from the line last night.

Not that it matters but I think the Nuggets this year are better than last year.

One thing I'd be a little concerned about over the next couple of games is Al Harrington trying to do too much. He had a great game against NY but when this happens, guys will often think they're still feeling it afterwards and they'll force it when it's not there.

colorado jones
01-22-2012, 11:44 AM
Not that I want to bash Gallo, but had he made both his FT's last night at the end, we wouldn't have gone to OT if memory serves correctly.

That would of put him at 20 for 20 from the line last night.

Without his huge night, they lose that game by 15.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 11:59 AM
That's a silly criticism, especially since he more than made up for it in OT. He was 18/20 from the line last night.

Not that it matters but I think the Nuggets this year are better than last year.

One thing I'd be a little concerned about over the next couple of games is Al Harrington trying to do too much. He had a great game against NY but when this happens, guys will often think they're still feeling it afterwards and they'll force it when it's not there.

I wanted to be careful with my words, because I'm very happy with Gallo overall, make no mistake. It's just, well, let's do a quick Carmelo versus Gallo snapshot. And I know this is cherrypicking, but Carmelo shot the ball horribly, but when his team needed a bucket to send the game to OT, he drains it. Gallo shot the ball well, but when he had a chance at the line to end the game, he left the window open for the Knicks. (And so did Al and Ty with their misses)

This absolutely is NOT an indictment on Gallo. Guys miss free throws. As you stated, he shot 20, and you're rarely going to make all 20. But the shot when it counts is the biggest one. And look, this doesn't mean the guy is a choke artist, and it doesn't mean he won't make a big FT next time he's asked to. I'm not making any long-term assessments or judgments. I'm just saying right now, I want to see crunch time players perform for this team.

I think the Nuggets are better as well. I love Rudy and a healthy Al Harrington is playing very well.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 12:04 PM
I wanted to be careful with my words, because I'm very happy with Gallo overall, make no mistake. It's just, well, let's do a quick Carmelo versus Gallo snapshot. And I know this is cherrypicking, but Carmelo shot the ball horribly, but when his team needed a bucket to send the game to OT, he drains it. Gallo shot the ball well, but when he had a chance at the line to end the game, he left the window open for the Knicks. (And so did Al and Ty with their misses)

This absolutely is NOT an indictment on Gallo. Guys miss free throws. As you stated, he shot 20, and you're rarely going to make all 20. But the shot when it counts is the biggest one. And look, this doesn't mean the guy is a choke artist, and it doesn't mean he won't make a big FT next time he's asked to. I'm not making any long-term assessments or judgments. I'm just saying right now, I want to see crunch time players perform for this team.

I think the Nuggets are better as well. I love Rudy and a healthy Al Harrington is playing very well.

You're really nitpicking.

The same scenario came up in the second overtme and Gallo knocked down both FTs.

SoCalBronco
01-22-2012, 12:04 PM
OrangeSe7en, why haven't the Bulls picked up Thibs option for next year? There was an article out recently that he's upset about that.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 12:07 PM
OrangeSe7en, why haven't the Bulls picked up Thibs option for next year? There was an article out recently that he's upset about that.

I'm not sure. Do you have a link to the article?

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2012, 12:08 PM
You're really nitpicking.

The same scenario came up in the second overtme and Gallo knocked down both FTs.

That is absolutely correct. And I hope that Gallo becomes a great player for us. Hopefully this is part of a maturation process that leads to him being a consistent player for us and an all-star.

All I'm saying is, in the playoffs the teams that win have the consistent crunch time player. I don't yet trust anybody on this team to go head-to-head with say, Kevin Durant just yet. That's all I'm saying. I do like this team's general make up, but we need a clear leader to emerge IMO.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 12:15 PM
That is absolutely correct. And I hope that Gallo becomes a great player for us. Hopefully this is part of a maturation process that leads to him being a consistent player for us and an all-star.

All I'm saying is, in the playoffs the teams that win have the consistent crunch time player. I don't yet trust anybody on this team to go head-to-head with say, Kevin Durant just yet. That's all I'm saying. I do like this team's general make up, but we need a clear leader to emerge IMO.

I disagree. There have been several contenders that have had multiple players who could step up depending on the flow of the game. There's not one template that you have to follow. What works for OKC doesn't necessarily have to be what works for Denver.

I will agree, that you do need guys who can step up in crucial situations in big games. I don't necessarily think it needs to be one guy who does it every time.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 12:38 PM
OrangeSe7en, why haven't the Bulls picked up Thibs option for next year? There was an article out recently that he's upset about that.

I just saw what you're talking about. It comes from the NY Daily News. There might be something to it but I'd question it's credibility.

bombay
01-22-2012, 02:06 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/enigmatic-14-year-old-7-footer-a-top-middle-school-talent?urn=highschool,wp10047

Don't know where else to put this.

How about a strong, incredibly agile and skilled 7' basketball player?

Who's 14 years old? Meet Thon Maker.

bombay
01-22-2012, 02:15 PM
OrangeSe7en, why haven't the Bulls picked up Thibs option for next year? There was an article out recently that he's upset about that.

If only he wasn't so ****ed up, a guy like JR Smith could be an incredibly valuable addition to the Bulls. His type of instant offense is exactly what they need.

OrangeSe7en
01-22-2012, 02:43 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/enigmatic-14-year-old-7-footer-a-top-middle-school-talent?urn=highschool,wp10047

Don't know where else to put this.

How about a strong, incredibly agile and skilled 7' basketball player?

Who's 14 years old? Meet Thon Maker.

For whatever reason, history doesn't favor players who are over 7'4". If he's 7' at 14, then he's well on his way.

OrangeSe7en
01-24-2012, 05:56 AM
It was good seeing the Bulls with their starting lineup last night. I had underestimated what a difference Rip Hamilton is going to make. That guy is awesome at spacing and ball movement in addition to his shooting. He's very efficient. He sees the floor well and his extra passes lead to results. Rip had 10 assists last night and Noah seemed to be the one who really benefited as he had 16 pts and 10 rebounds in under 30 minutes. I had my doubts about how Rip would stand up against the more athletic 2s like Wade but I'm a little more optimistic now.

And while one might say, that it was only New Jersey, the Nets actually shot well last night.

OrangeSe7en
01-24-2012, 11:15 AM
Not that this means anything but I thought some of the Nuggets fans might be interested in this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/4

ESPN has the Nuggets at 3. Here is the write up:

They're a win in Sacramento away from a 5-0 road trip and sport the league's third-best record at 30-12 since the Melo trade last February. No wonder Frank Isola of the New York Daily News proclaimed Saturday night on Twitter that we should start calling it the Gallo trade.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-25-2012, 10:34 AM
Gallinari agreed to a 4-year extension today

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_19818125

OrangeSe7en
01-25-2012, 02:18 PM
Gallinari agreed to a 4-year extension today

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_19818125

Shrewd move to do this now. It's roughly 10 million per year. This could end up being a steal very soon. Kyle Korver, a pure spot up jump shooter makes 5 million a year. Ray Allen, a more versatile 35 year old spot up jump shooter makes 10 million per year. Even if Gallo was only a spot up jump shooter, he'd only be slightly overpaid. But this is a guy who can put the ball on the floor and can score in a variety of ways. Unlike Ray Allen, he's young.

TonyR
01-25-2012, 03:19 PM
Not that this means anything but I thought some of the Nuggets fans might be interested in this...

I'll throw another random, may mean nothing Nuggets factoid out there: just heard on Phila radio that the if the Sixers win tonight they'll be 9-1 at home. Their 1 loss? To the Nuggets.

OrangeSe7en
01-25-2012, 05:08 PM
I'll throw another random, may mean nothing Nuggets factoid out there: just heard on Phila radio that the if the Sixers win tonight they'll be 9-1 at home. Their 1 loss? To the Nuggets.

The Nuggets are no joke and neither are the Sixers. Doug Collins is proving, yet again, to be one of the best coaches in the NBA. If he would have stayed with the Bulls long enough (back in the day) for Pippen to mature as a player, he'd probably have a ring as a coach. One of the reasons Collins wasn't made the Bulls head coach is because Reinsdorf respected Doug too much and wouldn't want to fire him again.

Whatever. I don't think the Nuggets are going away this year. Their achilles heel is their depth in the post. If they can manage past that, good luck. Their temp and ball movement is awesome.

OrangeSe7en
01-25-2012, 05:11 PM
BTW, I think the Bulls are going to have their hands full with the Pacers tonight. The Pacers have had the Bulls in their sights since last year. I actually think the Orlando game was a lull as a result of them looking ahead to the Bulls. If any team starts running the triangle again, they should trade for Paul George to be their Point Forward the way Pippen was for the Bulls back in the day.

spdirty
01-25-2012, 07:23 PM
Kosta Koufus got extended for another 3 years too!!!:strong:

Great to have a gm that's knows wtf he's doing.

RhymesayersDU
01-25-2012, 07:40 PM
Kosta Koufus got extended for another 3 years too!!!:strong:

Great to have a gm that's knows wtf he's doing.

I liked both signings, a lot. I think locking up Gallo was good, plus it wasn't that much per year. If he blossoms like we hope he will, it'll be a steal on the back end.

Kofous is a young, big body at a cheap price. Hard to complain. I think we'll let Bird walk whenever his time is up, keep Mozgov, Kofous and then have Faried get minutes. (And of course Nene starting)

spdirty
01-25-2012, 08:08 PM
I liked both signings, a lot. I think locking up Gallo was good, plus it wasn't that much per year. If he blossoms like we hope he will, it'll be a steal on the back end.

Kofous is a young, big body at a cheap price. Hard to complain. I think we'll let Bird walk whenever his time is up, keep Mozgov, Kofous and then have Faried get minutes. (And of course Nene starting)

Bird has about worn me out with his block horny allow an easy layup ways. Understand GKs reasoning for not playing the rookies but hopefully faried develops into that high energy role player.

Nice to see us taking care of business tonight. Hopefully lawsons ok.

spdirty
01-25-2012, 08:13 PM
23 point lead at the half. Hopefully Manimal and Hamilton get some PT in the 2nd half.

SpringStein
01-25-2012, 08:15 PM
Gallo showing his appreciation for the $42MM by tossing in 21 in first half tonight.

RhymesayersDU
01-25-2012, 08:16 PM
Bird has about worn me out with his block horny allow an easy layup ways. Understand GKs reasoning for not playing the rookies but hopefully faried develops into that high energy role player.

Nice to see us taking care of business tonight. Hopefully lawsons ok.

Yeah, when we made that run a few years back, Bird's defense was on point. Lately it just hasn't been there. You can never have too much size, but I agree it's clear why he doesn't get minutes.