Obama: My Kids Will Succeed Even if USA Doesn't

[epicSocialism4tw]

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Obama has to be gone. Yesterday. A clown like this doesn't instill confidence in his country.

He continues to prove over and over that he is not presidential material and that anyone who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves.

[W*GS]

epicDramaFail...

You're a case study in the obvious limitations of right-wing "thought".

The only question left is which color you are...

http://www.forzamma.com/images/PB-HB.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

epicDramaFail...

You're a case study in the obvious limitations of right-wing "thought".

The only question left is which color you are...

Do you ever post anything but ad hominem. Ha!

[Blart]

We need a president with blind, reckless confidence, who will tell us there's nothing wrong and America is #1. USA! USA!


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[Tombstone RJ]

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-my-kids-will-succeed-even-if-usa-doesnt/230351#.TteqerZuAK8.twitter

Obama has to be gone. Yesterday. A clown like this doesn't instill confidence in his country.

He continues to prove over and over that he is not presidential material and that anyone who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves.

BO, showing his true colors. He's a bonafide idiot and I bet he was totally ad libbing.

[epicSocialism4tw]

BO, showing his true colors. He's a bonafide idiot and I bet he was totally ad libbing.

Why would a president, the person with the largest lectern in the country, say something so pitifully depressing?

A president is supposed to put America before himself. See Washington, George. Obama is all about himself. Dude is a clown and doesn't deserve the honor of the presidency. He cant even manage to be diplomatic to his own people.

[Rohirrim]

The point, for those too stupid to get it, is that Republican ideology has destroyed America, and more Republican ideology will destroy it even more.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The point, for those too stupid to get it, is that Republican ideology has destroyed America, and more Republican ideology will destroy it even more.

The point, for the partisans who are too blind to look at it, is that Obama doesn't have the common sense that even a local retail manager has.

The fact that Obama believes this in his own mind is enough to question his ability to be president. I'm beginning to think that the rumors are true and that this clown just sits in a closed room all day and watches ESPN and sends emails.

He is NOT a leader, and has not shown any sort of ability to lead.

The guy got elected because he could read a teleprompter (when it is on). He hasn't proven to be able to do anything else other than to go on vacation.

He's a narcissistic putz who has never had a real job.

[Tombstone RJ]

The point, for those too stupid to get it, is that Republican ideology has destroyed America, and more Republican ideology will destroy it even more.

here's the point you are missing my friend:

A good president doesn't divide people. He leads people. He makes people want to be proud to be Americans and strive to serve and be a part of something great.

BO is not doing this at all. I'm sorry, he's just not.

It doesn't matter that I didn't vote for the guy (because I know he's a criminal from his background) it only matters that he makes me WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM BY LEADING.

I was willing to give the guy a chance but from the very beginning he has been a divisive leader. He's not unifying anyone. He continues to ostracize conservatives, even those who voted for him.

[Rohirrim]

The point, for the partisans who are too blind to look at it, is that Obama doesn't have the common sense that even a local retail manager has.

The fact that Obama believes this in his own mind is enough to question his ability to be president. I'm beginning to think that the rumors are true and that this clown just sits in a closed room all day and watches ESPN and sends emails.

He is NOT a leader, and has not shown any sort of ability to lead.

The guy got elected because he could read a teleprompter (when it is on). He hasn't proven to be able to do anything else other than to go on vacation.

He's a narcissistic putz who has never had a real job.

His point is that policies which funnel all the wealth of the nation into the hands of fewer and fewer leads to less opportunity for our people. It's not even an argument anymore. It's a fact. And the Republicans want to double down on those exact same policies. The only possible outcome is ruin.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He's point is that policies which funnel all the wealth of the nation into the hands of fewer and fewer leads to less opportunity for our people. It's not even an argument anymore. It's a fact. And the Republicans want to double down on those exact same policies. The only possible outcome is ruin.

The Kool-Aid has poisoned you.

[Rohirrim]

The Kool-Aid has poisoned you.

The Kool Aid is continuing to think that giving more tax breaks to the "job creators" is going to fix the economy. They've gotten 50% in tax breaks over the last thirty years. Where are the jobs?

[Fedaykin]

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-my-kids-will-succeed-even-if-usa-doesnt/230351#.TteqerZuAK8.twitter

Obama has to be gone. Yesterday. A clown like this doesn't instill confidence in his country.

He continues to prove over and over that he is not presidential material and that anyone who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves.

That's some weak ****. You and the article left out the key part of what he was saying:

""Our kids are going to be fine," Obama told supporters at a campaign event last night. "And I always tell Malia and Sasha, look, you guys, I don't worry about you . . . they’re on a path that is going to be successful, even if the country as a whole is not successful. But that’s not our vision of America. I don't want an America where my kids are living behind walls and gates, and can’t feel a part of a country that is giving everybody a shot."

To paraphrase the above: "My kids will have an easy life due to my wealth and prosperity, but that's not good enough for me. I want everyone to have a chance and for my kids to not be part of a new aristocracy"

What a terrible thing to say! Clearly this guy is completely unhinged. He wants everyone to be successful, not just the privileged kids. Very anti-american right there.

[ghwk]

Why would a president, the person with the largest lectern in the country, say something so pitifully depressing?

A president is supposed to put America before himself. See Washington, George. Obama is all about himself. Dude is a clown and doesn't deserve the honor of the presidency. He cant even manage to be diplomatic to his own people.

To try to get fools like you to wake up and realize your party is destroying the country. Too bad you are not bright enough to see that

[Fedaykin]

here's the point you are missing my friend:

A good president doesn't divide people. He leads people. He makes people want to be proud to be Americans and strive to serve and be a part of something great.

BO is not doing this at all. I'm sorry, he's just not.

It doesn't matter that I didn't vote for the guy (because I know he's a criminal from his background) it only matters that he makes me WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM BY LEADING.

I was willing to give the guy a chance but from the very beginning he has been a divisive leader. He's not unifying anyone. He continues to ostracize conservatives, even those who voted for him.

So, saying he wants a society where everyone can succeed (not just the privileged) is being divisive? Do you even understand what divisive means?

[Tombstone RJ]

So, saying he wants a society where everyone can succeed (not just the privileged) is being divisive? Do you even understand what divisive means?

He's blaming conservatives dude, that's the point! He's blame shifting, blame, blame, blame and in doing this he is in fact dividing people.

He makes a huge mistake by disconnecting his family from the plight of American. That's his first mistake. Then he tries to cover it up by saying that he doesn't want his family to live behind closed walls--when in fact, that IS WHERE THEY LIVE AND WILL ALWAYS LIVE BECAUSE HE'S PART OF THE 1%.

He's an elitist to the extreme.

[ghwk]

here's the point you are missing my friend:

A good president doesn't divide people. He leads people. He makes people want to be proud to be Americans and strive to serve and be a part of something great.

BO is not doing this at all. I'm sorry, he's just not.

It doesn't matter that I didn't vote for the guy (because I know he's a criminal from his background) it only matters that he makes me WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM BY LEADING.

I was willing to give the guy a chance but from the very beginning he has been a divisive leader. He's not unifying anyone. He continues to ostracize conservatives, even those who voted for him.

Your party is the most divisive in the history of the country and yet that is a label you toss around without realizing how blind you are to this fact. I guess the "Fox news makes people stupid" is being proven once agiain.

[Tombstone RJ]

Your party is the most divisive in the history of the country and yet that is a label you toss around without realizing how blind you are to this fact. I guess the "Fox news makes people stupid" is being proven once agiain.

I'm and independent dude, I've never joined either party. BO is a divisive leader who blame shifts instead of resolving conflicts and leading. Even his own party knows this (your party, the dems).

[ghwk]

I'm and independent dude, I've never joined either party. BO is a divisive leader who blame shifts instead of resolving conflicts and leading. Even his own party knows this (your party, the dems).

You are a closet republican. Your label as independent doesn't change that.

[Tombstone RJ]

You are a closet republican. Your label as independent doesn't change that.

I'm more of a libertarian hence my love of Ron Paul. Unfortunately RP couldn't get any support outside of either party so he was forced to join the GOP.

I know you can't handle independent thinkers who call BS on BO. When you want to wake up, give the USA a call.

[ghwk]

I'm more of a libertarian hence my love of Ron Paul. Unfortunately RP couldn't get any support outside of either party so he was forced to join the GOP.

I know you can't handle independent thinkers who call BS on BO. When you want to wake up, give the USA a call.

No I can't handle liars that think they are independent when in fact they are not. If you were really so independent you'd be skewering both parties in each of your posts.

[Tombstone RJ]

No I can't handle liars that think they are independent when in fact they are not. If you were really so independent you'd be skewering both parties in each of your posts.

Please go read some of my posts on George Jr... you are just upset becuase you can't face reality.

[Fedaykin]

He's blaming conservatives dude, that's the point! He's blame shifting, blame, blame, blame and in doing this he is in fact dividing people.


For 30 years we've been implementing conservative ideas, particularly the idiocy known as "supply side" or "trickle down" economics. In that 30 years the middle class has dwindled, income disparity has returned to levels not seen since the 20's, real wages have plummeted, we've traded solid, sustained economic growth for boom and bust cycles, and wealth has been amassed by a tiny fraction of the population (which inevitably leads to economic problems like the great depression)

Contrast that from the period from 1930-1980 when, for the most part, *everyone* prospered under the centerist policies of the time and it's pretty clear what the problem is.

The only group trying to blame shift is conservatives. Their ideals have really ****ed things up and the only way to get back on the right track is to stop these foolish policies.


He makes a huge mistake by disconnecting his family from the plight of American. That's his first mistake. Then he tries to cover it up by saying that he doesn't want his family to live behind closed walls--when in fact, that IS WHERE THEY LIVE AND WILL ALWAYS LIVE BECAUSE HE'S PART OF THE 1%.

He's an elitist to the extreme.

You need to calm down. You seem really confused about what being "elitist" means. It isn't the defacto state of someone who exists in an elite group. Elitism requires the attitude that being part of an elite group makes you better than other people.

Obama is saying he doesn't want his kids to feel better than other kids and he wants a country where everyone's given a shot.

This is not a controversial statement except to the crazy wingnuts like you and epicFail.

[Tombstone RJ]

For 30 years we've been implementing conservative ideas, particularly the idiocy known as "supply side" or "trickle down" economics. In that 30 years the middle class has dwindled, income disparity has returned to levels not seen since the 20's, real wages have plummeted, we've traded solid, sustained economic growth for boom and bust cycles, and wealth has been amassed by a tiny fraction of the population (which inevitably leads to economic problems like the great depression)

Contrast that from the period from 1930-1980 when, for the most part, *everyone* prospered under the centerist policies of the time and it's pretty clear what the problem is.

The only group trying to blame shift is conservatives. Their ideals have really ****ed things up and the only way to get back on the right track is to stop these foolish policies.



You need to calm down. You seem really confused about what being "elitist" means. It isn't the defacto state of someone who exists in an elite group. Elitism requires the attitude that being part of an elite group makes you better than other people.

Obama is saying he doesn't want his kids to feel better than other kids and he wants a country where everyone's given a shot.

This is not a controversial statement except to the crazy wingnuts like you and epicFail.

I noticed you conviniently forgot about how the liberal democrats have done little if anything to cut back on the huge deficit crushing the US right now.

Get spending under control.

Conservatives have agreed over and over to raise taxes but spending has never gotten under control--why?

Its a two way street brother. Unfortunately the GOP and the Dems have not done enough to curb massive spending, but it's the dems who deserve the lion share of the blame.

No budget when they controlled the white house and congress--why?

[Blart]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9xlPHU8KoOc/TMTo9hGUbyI/AAAAAAAAEA4/sXPnQw4G-SY/s1600/10-21-10inc-f3.jpg

[Fedaykin]

Conservatives have agreed over and over to raise taxes but spending has never gotten under control--why?

Its a two way street brother. Unfortunately the GOP and the Dems have not done enough to curb massive spending, but it's the dems who deserve the lion share of the blame.

No budget when they controlled the white house and congress--why?

Complete and utter bull****. The merest HINT at raising taxes causes the current batch of conservatives to immediately go into attack mode.

During the debt ceiling negotiations they explicit stated goal was that under no circumstances would they accept any tax increases of any kind. When Obama offered a compromise of 1 dollar of tax increase for every 3 dollars of spending cuts they threw that right back in their faces.

The only significant tax increase in 30 years (Clinton's tax hike) was done under a democratic white house, senate and house. And under Clinton a lot of spending cuts occurred -- enough to balance the ****ing budget for the first time in almost 20 years.

Try selling your lying bull**** elsewhere bub.

[W*GS]

Conservatives have agreed over and over to raise taxes but spending has never gotten under control--why?

Right-wingers have made it very plain that there will be no tax increases of any kind. That's their "pledge" to Grover.

Why do you have to be such a bald-faced liar?

[TonyR]

Notice how when people started presenting facts and strong arguments epicdramafail disappeared from his own thread? At least Tombstone is putting up a fight, even though he's getting pummelled.

[Bronx33]

We need a president with blind, reckless confidence, who will tell us there's nothing wrong and America is #1. USA! USA!


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Does two wrongs make a right blart? please answer truthfully.

[W*GS]

Notice how when people started presenting facts and strong arguments epicdramafail disappeared from his own thread?

epicFailLlama always does that. He's a chicken****.

[Rigs11]

There there llama,you can always vote for the newt.he has a really good plan for the poor kids,they can clean bathrooms

Ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich made noise last week by denouncing America’s laws against child labor as “truly stupid” and saying schools should fire “union janitors” and put kids to work cleaning up.

The man with the $500,000 line of credit at Tiffany & Co. is doubling down on his kids labor proposal.  Gingrich expounded on the indolence of America’s poor talking to a group in Iowa:

“Start with the following two facts:  Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works, so they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday.

“They have no habit of staying all day.  They have no habit of, ‘I do this and you give me cash,’ unless it’s illegal.”

Gingrich has bounded to the top of the Republican presidential pack, the sixth candidate to do so in the past seven months.  He declared flatly on Thursday:  “I will be the nominee.”

And he wants to see kids mopping up.

“I come around to this question.  You have a very poor neighborhood.  You have kids who are required under law to go to school.  They have no money.  They have no habit of work . . .

“What if they became assistant janitors and their job was to mop the floor and clean the bathroom?”

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/12/01/gingrich-on-poor-kids-no-habits-of-working/

[Rigs11]

Here you go tombstone.since you like crying about taxes so much.

American taxpayers getting off easy

By John W. Schoen, Senior Producer
As the GOP presidential candidates rally around the battle cry of the need to cut Americans' taxes, there's fresh evidence of just how heavy that tax burden is. Compared to the rest of the developed world, though, U.S. taxpayers have it pretty easy. 

Of the 34 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, only Chile and Mexico impose a lower tax burden than Uncle Sam, according to the latest report from the Paris-based grouping of advanced economies.

As politicians from Washington to Athens spar over how to balance federal budgets, the OECD found that the U.S. collects 24.1 cents in taxes for every dollar of gross domestic product.  Mexico's collects just 17.4 percent of its total economic output in taxes; Chile collects 18.4 percent. The average ratio inched up to 33.8 percent in 2009, the lateste year available.

The latest data show that Denmark and Sweden continue to hold the top two spots as most heavily taxed.

Since 1995, the U.S. has also been cutting taxes faster than all but five of the 30 countries tracked by the OECD. As a percentage of GDP, U.S. tax revenues fell 3.7 percent from 1995 to 2009. About half of the OECD countries raised taxes during that period. Poland, Ireland, New Zealand, Israel and the Slovak Republic cut taxes more deeply than the U.S.

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9142784-american-taxpayers-getting-off-easy

[barryr]

Obama does not know how to lead. He used to his fellow liberal cronies falling over themselves listening to his speeches and not questioning him on anything.

[Blart]

Obama does not know how to lead. He used to his fellow liberal cronies falling over themselves listening to his speeches and not questioning him on anything.

yeah, and he's a dumb head!

[TonyR]

...(because I know he's a criminal from his background)...

Hoping to get more color on this comment...

[Requiem]

Obama does not know how to lead.

Neither do you.

[cutthemdown]

I agree there is no reason snot nosed brats can't clean their own schools. Maybe it would teach them to not be such pigs.

[Spider]

LMAO i see bedwetters and right wingers still as stupid as ever ........

[Spider]

I noticed you conviniently forgot about how the liberal democrats have done little if anything to cut back on the huge deficit crushing the US right now.

Get spending under control.

Conservatives have agreed over and over to raise taxes but spending has never gotten under control--why?

Its a two way street brother. Unfortunately the GOP and the Dems have not done enough to curb massive spending, but it's the dems who deserve the lion share of the blame.

No budget when they controlled the white house and congress--why?
either you have a real mental issue , or you just like to bullshiat ........

[Spider]

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-my-kids-will-succeed-even-if-usa-doesnt/230351#.TteqerZuAK8.twitter

Obama has to be gone. Yesterday. A clown like this doesn't instill confidenc e in his country.

He continues to prove over and over that he is not presidential material and that anyone who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves.

:rofl:retard

[Meck77]

It amazes me how bamboozled the elite have made the general public. They are making tens if not hundreds of millions and will of course succeed. The masses (You) will tear into one another like a bunch chickens fighting for the last scrap as if another one will never come along. Republicans are right! Democrats are right! The left! The right!

If you want a more tangible example of this head to the capital in downtown Denver. Sit in on a debate over a bill. You will hear very passionate debate from your fellow representatives. They will fight so hard for you and tear into your enemies (the other party) for you. Then go to capital grill on Colfax and watch them toast expensive champagne with one another and laugh at what a show they put on for the people.

I've lived it. I've seen it. Can't imagine how much worse it is in Washington but this same scenario plays out across our country every day.

There is simply no reason to insult one another here. YOU all are on the same team and don't even know it or realize it.

[Spider]

It amazes me how bamboozled the elite have made the general public. They are making tens if not hundreds of millions and will of course succeed. The masses (You) will tear into one another like a bunch chickens fighting for the last scrap as if another one will never come along. Republicans are right! Democrats are right! The left! The right!

If you want a more tangible example of this head to the capital in downtown Denver. Sit in on a debate over a bill. You will hear very passionate debate from your fellow representatives. They will fight so hard for you and tear into your enemies (the other party) for you. Then go to capital grill on Colfax and watch them toast expensive champagne with one another and laugh at what a show they put on for the people.

I've lived it. I've seen it. Can't imagine how much worse it is in Washington but this same scenario plays out across our country every day.

There is simply no reason to insult one another here. YOU all are on the same team and don't even know it or realize it.

nice try but come on , take this thread for example , misleading , why shouldnt we insult those that try to mis lead us ? since when are liars embraced ?

[Spider]

Maybe thats whats wrong meck , back in the day brought up believing lying was wrong , going out of your way to bullshiat was frowned upon , now we go around saying everyone is entitled to their opinion , Bull**** Meck and you know it , epic went out of his way to try and mislead , and tombstone flat out posted a blatant lie , I know the dems are screwing up in alot of areas could be doing alot better , but with the mess they was left after Junior , they are keeping us above water ........

[Rohirrim]

Notice how when people started presenting facts and strong arguments epicdramafail disappeared from his own thread? At least Tombstone is putting up a fight, even though he's getting pummelled.

I don't see how anybody can argue against the graphs showing how the wealth of America is being redistributed into the pockets of the rich at such a pace that we are being turned into nothing much more than just another banana republic.

[alkemical]

It amazes me how bamboozled the elite have made the general public. They are making tens if not hundreds of millions and will of course succeed. The masses (You) will tear into one another like a bunch chickens fighting for the last scrap as if another one will never come along. Republicans are right! Democrats are right! The left! The right!

If you want a more tangible example of this head to the capital in downtown Denver. Sit in on a debate over a bill. You will hear very passionate debate from your fellow representatives. They will fight so hard for you and tear into your enemies (the other party) for you. Then go to capital grill on Colfax and watch them toast expensive champagne with one another and laugh at what a show they put on for the people.

I've lived it. I've seen it. Can't imagine how much worse it is in Washington but this same scenario plays out across our country every day.

There is simply no reason to insult one another here. YOU all are on the same team and don't even know it or realize it.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/amesj523/polls_article_political_nascar_1_th.jpg

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[pricejj]

"They’re on a path that is going to be successful, even if the country as a whole is not successful."- Barack Obama


Nov. 6, 2012 cannot get here soon enough. Here's hoping that every single person who agrees with, or defends him or his failed policies is out of political office ASAP. It has been evident from the start, that American success has never been on his agenda. What a disgrace.

[Tombstone RJ]

Hoping to get more color on this comment...

check out chicago politics brosef... he's from their inner circle.

[alkemical]

http://hackaday.com/2011/11/27/chinese-hackerspaces-or-what-happens-when-a-government-is-run-by-engineers/

Government leadership in Shanghai wants to build 100 community hackerspaces funded by the Chinese government. Each space will be at least 100 square meters, open 200 days a year, and come equipped with wood and metal lathes, saws, drills, grinders, mills, and more electronics than we can imagine.

The official government statement (translated here) says the Shanghai Science and Technology Network wants to build a few dozen ‘innovation houses,’ ostensibly to create a breeding ground for new, innovative ideas and to nurture young builders.

The first Chinese hackerspace, Xin Che Jian, opened last year and they’re doing some pretty cool stuff. A RepRap Mendel is already on the build roster (pictured above) along with a few quadrocopters and small racing robots.

As far as what this means for western countries, we’re going to editorialize a little bit and say that government-funded hackerspaces would increase innovation a little bit more than watching our representatives argue about homosexuals or taxes. Who knows, if this Chinese experiment proves successful, it may move out of Asia and onto the Americas and Europe.

via reddit


What are we doing to compete?

[alkemical]

check out chicago politics brosef... he's from their inner circle.

Does this mean all politics are 'Chicago' Politics?

What's New England or Texas Politics like?

This is actually an honest question.

[Tombstone RJ]

Does this mean all politics are 'Chicago' Politics?

What's New England or Texas Politics like?

I actually read a biography on him and even only half of it is correct, it's alarming how corrupt he is and how corrupt the politcal system is in chicago where he came from.

Who was the politician trying to sell BO's senate seat again? He was all like: "this is how it works in chicago, I'm didn't do anything wrong." Belogovich or something like that?

[alkemical]

I actually read a biography on him and even only half of it is correct, it's alarming how corrupt he is and how corrupt the politcal system is in chicago where he came from.

Who was the politician tryig to sell BO's senate seat again? He was all like: "this is how it works in chicago, I'm didn't do anything wrong." Belogovich or something like that?

What makes that different than say: NYC, Harrisburg, Austin, etc?

[pricejj]

http://hackaday.com/2011/11/27/chinese-hackerspaces-or-what-happens-when-a-government-is-run-by-engineers/




What are we doing to compete?


How many Chinese people starve or live in abject poverty? Every American technology company has an R&D department, which is privately funded. Is Communism really the economic model you with to emulate? Do you really think the U.S. government should start taking taxpayer money to produce products?

[Tombstone RJ]

What makes that different than say: NYC, Harrisburg, Austin, etc?

Did you read anything on BO that he did not write about himself? Chicago politics is notorious for being corrupt.

[alkemical]

Did you read anything on BO that he did not write about himself? Chicago politics is notorious for being corrupt.

I don't understand your question.

I'm asking how the corruption is different than say different areas of the country and cited some examples. I'm genuinely trying to understand if CHI worse than what I see in different areas of the country.

I mean, you want to talk about corruption & Nepotism - I've seen it with Ed Rendell & Tom Corbett in PA. I've seen it with Michael Bloomberg in NYC, i've seen it with Ahnold in CA, i've seen it with "W" in TX.

I'm trying to grasp if there's a fundamental difference, of if it's "the nature of the beast".

[Tombstone RJ]

I don't understand your question.

I'm asking how the corruption is different than say different areas of the country and cited some examples. I'm genuinely trying to understand if CHI worse than what I see in different areas of the country.

Chicago politics is notorious for being corrupt. If you don't understand that then again, you're not being objective at all. I'm saying I did some research on BO before he got elected because I didn't know anything about the guy. What I read was alarming. From his childhood up to his senate time, I am stunned at how bad of a candidate and a person he is.

Just research how he ended up owning his chicago home. Just research that one aspect of his life.

[Tombstone RJ]

Tony Rezko and BO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Rezko

Let me highlight this for you:

Ties to Barack Obama[edit]

HistoryIn 1990, after Barack Obama was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, Rezmar Corp. offered him a job, which Obama turned down. Obama instead took a job with the firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland,[29] which primarily worked on civil rights cases. The firm also represented Rezmar and helped the company get more than $43 million in government funding. The firm's former senior partner, Allison S. Davis, later went into business with Rezko and, in 2003, was appointed to the Illinois State Board of Investment by Governor Blagojevich at Rezko's request.[8][30] On July 31, 1995, the first ever political contributions to Obama were $300 from a lawyer, a $5,000 loan from a car dealer, and $2,000 from two food companies owned by Rezko.[31] Starting in 2003, Rezko was one of the people on Obama's U.S. Senate campaign finance committee, which raised more than $14 million.[8] Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama that Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with seed money for his U.S. Senate race.[2] Obama in 2007-08 identified over $250,000 in campaign contributions to various Obama campaigns as coming from Rezko or close associates, and said that he donated almost two-thirds of that amount to nonprofit groups.[32][33]

[edit] Real estate dealings

In 2005 Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (which was $300,000 below the asking price but represented the highest offer on the property) on the same day that Rezko's wife, Rita Rezko, purchased the adjoining empty lot from the same sellers for the full asking price.[34] Obama acknowledged bringing his interest in the property to Rezko's attention,[35] but denied any coordination of offers. According to Obama, while the properties had originally been a single property, the previous owners decided to sell the land as two separate lots, but made it a condition of the sales that they be closed on the same date. Obama also stated that the properties had been on the market for months, that his offer was the best of two bids, and that Ms. Rezko's bid was matched by another offer, also of $625,000, so that she could not have purchased the property for less.[36]

After it had been reported in 2006 that Rezko was under federal investigation for influence-peddling, Obama purchased a 10 foot (3.0 m) wide strip of Ms. Rezko's property for $104,500, $60,000 above the assessed value.[8][34] According to Chicago Sun-Times columnist, Mark Brown, "Rezko definitely did Obama a favor by selling him the 10-foot strip of land, making his own parcel less attractive for development."[37] Obama acknowledges that the exchange may have created the appearance of impropriety, and stated "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it."[36]

On December 28, 2006, Ms. Rezko sold the property to a company owned by her husband's former business attorney. That sale of $575,000, combined with the earlier $104,500 sale to the Obamas, amounted to a net profit of $54,500 over her original purchase, less $14,000 for a fence along the property line and other expenses.[38][39] In October 2007, the new owners put the still vacant land up for sale again, this time for $1.5 million.[40]

[alkemical]

Chicago politics is notorious for being corrupt. If you don't understand that then again, you're not being objective at all. I'm saying I did some research on BO before he got elected because I didn't know anything about the guy. What I read was alarming. From his childhood up to his senate time, I am stunned at how bad of a candidate and a person he is.

Just research how he ended up owning his chicago home. Just research that one aspect of his life.

See, for me this isn't an interest of Obama - this is an interest of "Chicago Politics" vs. Politics as usual.

That's why i'm askin'. I mean, I have sourced tons of "questionable" deals of both the Clinton's & Bush's. The Insider Trading in DC & Wall St.

I've seen the Corruption of Ed Rendell & Tom Corbett in PA. I've seen Bloomberg & Guliani get "dirty" in NYC.

So, again, what's different about CHI Politics, than say somewhere else? If you think i'm sticking up for Obama - well to coin Macgruder: You're projecting. I'm more interesting in identifying trends and differences in the political machine.

[Spider]

See, for me this isn't an interest of Obama - this is an interest of "Chicago Politics" vs. Politics as usual.

That's why i'm askin'. I mean, I have sourced tons of "questionable" deals of both the Clinton's & Bush's. The Insider Trading in DC & Wall St.

I've seen the Corruption of Ed Rendell & Tom Corbett in PA. I've seen Bloomberg & Guliani get "dirty" in NYC.

So, again, what's different about CHI Politics, than say somewhere else? If you think i'm sticking up for Obama - well to coin Macgruder: You're projecting. I'm more interesting in identifying trends and differences in the political machine.

you will never get a strait answer cause he dont have one chicago poli
tics is a buzz word for him

[alkemical]

you will never get a strait answer cause he dont have one chicago poli
tics is a buzz word for him

This is what i'm trying to clarify for myself:

Is it a buzz word (ala: CLOUD), or is there more to the 'meme'?

[Spider]

This is what i'm trying to clarify for myself:

Is it a buzz word (ala: CLOUD), or is there more to the 'meme'?

it is a buzz word , they threw it out to label Obama ,that was born from a meme they still make a big deal out of Capone ,you know better then anyone else here about dirty politics it happens everywhere on every level , Tombstone is just naive ,and buzz words help him cope ......Crime and Politics have been rampant since the birth of the nation

[El Minion]

Corruption?!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PLjNWOu-Zn0/ScpgE7diU0I/AAAAAAAAAd4/MR8l5f9sDtY/s1600/shocked%2Bto%2Bfind%2Bgaming.jpg

[Tombstone RJ]

See, for me this isn't an interest of Obama - this is an interest of "Chicago Politics" vs. Politics as usual.

That's why i'm askin'. I mean, I have sourced tons of "questionable" deals of both the Clinton's & Bush's. The Insider Trading in DC & Wall St.

I've seen the Corruption of Ed Rendell & Tom Corbett in PA. I've seen Bloomberg & Guliani get "dirty" in NYC.

So, again, what's different about CHI Politics, than say somewhere else? If you think i'm sticking up for Obama - well to coin Macgruder: You're projecting. I'm more interesting in identifying trends and differences in the political machine.

Again, this is just ONE of the many, many, many suspect things BO has done or been associated with in his past.

I'm giving you one example because I asked you to research this one example. You didn't, instead you question me on if Chicago is any different than any other city as far as political corruption and I reply to you that it is NOTORIOUS AND COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Chicago politics is corrupt.

You don't even recognize the word "notorious" if you can show my any evidence to the contrary you MIGHT have something. Instead you have a monkey who drives a truck for a living backing you up. Are you completely ignoring Rezko?

Again, you have no credibility and you are not objective.

[Spider]

Again, this is just ONE of the many, many, many suspect things BO has done or been associated with in his past.

I'm giving you one example because I asked you to research this one example. You didn't, instead you question me on if Chicago is any different than any other city as far as political corruption and I reply to you that it is NOTORIOUS AND COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Chicago politics is corrupt.

You don't even recognize the word "notorious" if you can show my any evidence to the contrary you MIGHT have something. Instead you have a monkey who drives a truck for a living backing you up. Are you completely ignoring Rezko?

Again, you have no credibility and you are not objective.
Hilarious! and your full of shiat ............ seriously , all that shiat u listed been done everywhere else , what about Newt Gingrich ? hell look at that cork sucker , then reading your bullshiat , I would think newt is the king of chicago

[Tombstone RJ]

Hilarious! and your full of shiat ............ seriously , all that shiat u listed been done everywhere else , what about Newt Gingrich ? hell look at that cork sucker , then reading your bullshiat , I would think newt is the king of chicago

prove it.

[Spider]

prove it.

I shouldnt even bother trying to prove anything to a brain dead bat shiat bedwetter , Just to name one you flippin retard Nixon ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
and 1 more for good measure
your boy Newt ...........
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/012297.htm
there is a shiat load more , like pedophilia etc ........

[Tombstone RJ]

I shouldnt even bother trying to prove anything to a brain dead bat shiat bedwetter , Just to name one you flippin retard Nixon ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
and 1 more for good measure
your boy Newt ...........
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/012297.htm
there is a shiat load more , like pedophilia etc ........

Prove that political corruption like Tony Rezko is "everywhere". Watergate happened in 1974 and as far as I know there has never been another instance where a president has been impeached.

Newt Gingrich and tax evasion is the best you've got?

keep driving that truck monkey boy. :yayaya:

[Tombstone RJ]

Chicago Politics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Democratic_Machine

Please note:

In recent years, investigations, indictments, and criminal convictions for hiring fraud and graft, including the federal conviction of the current Mayor Daley's patronage chief, have left little doubt that the machine, if it ever died, was reincarnated since its apparent collapse in the early 1980s. In July 2005, a federal court-appointed monitor reported widespread abuses of a previous court decree against patronage hiring, and the President of the Cook County Board of Commissioners alone still controls 200+ political jobs. The U.S. Attorney's office contended in 2006 that the machine had been rebuilt.[1]

Chicago politcs, get some.

[Spider]

Prove that political corruption like Tony Rezko is "everywhere". Watergate happened in 1974 and as far as I know there has never been another instance where a president has been impeached.

Newt Gingrich and tax evasion is the best you've got?

keep driving that truck monkey boy. :yayaya:

LMAO so you only want a certain crime hey ........ so thats Chicago politics , is a isolated crime that hasnt happened anywhere else ? LMAo Yeah I am a trucker , thank tebow you aint , some family somewhere would be dead

[Spider]

Chicago Politics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Democratic_Machine

Please note:

In recent years, investigations, indictments, and criminal convictions for hiring fraud and graft, including the federal conviction of the current Mayor Daley's patronage chief, have left little doubt that the machine, if it ever died, was reincarnated since its apparent collapse in the early 1980s. In July 2005, a federal court-appointed monitor reported widespread abuses of a previous court decree against patronage hiring, and the President of the Cook County Board of Commissioners alone still controls 200+ political jobs. The U.S. Attorney's office contended in 2006 that the machine had been rebuilt.[1]

Chicago politcs, get some.
Marion Berry ?

[Spider]

Tom Delay ?

[Tombstone RJ]

Marion Berry ?

This does not prove that the city of Washington DC is NOTORIOUS for consistent political corruption.

This is one instance of bad leadership, this is not a machine of corruption.

[Tombstone RJ]

Tom Delay ?

One guy, not part of a machine.

[Spider]

One guy, not part of a machine.

LMAO Bullshiat ........... texas districts are still reaping the fruits of what he did

[Spider]

This does not prove that the city of Washington DC is NOTORIOUS for consistent political corruption.

This is one instance of bad leadership, this is not a machine of corruption.

Vincent grey ? LMAO you are an Idiot

[Tombstone RJ]

LMAO Bullshiat ........... texas districts are still reaping the fruits of what he did

dude, your dumb ass is going around searching for instances of where one individual has been caught for corruption or one instance of corruption in a certain political arena has been exposed and that still does nothing to disprove that chicago is a political machine notorious for systemic political corruption and this is where your homeboy BO cut his teeth.

You're pissing up the wrong tree by trying to convince me that chicago represents "every town America" in its politics.

[Tombstone RJ]

Vincent grey ? LMAO you are an Idiot

never heard of him, he's probably your dad.

[Spider]

never heard of him, he's probably your dad.

LMAO color me shocked .......so much for your chicago politics

[Spider]

oh and my Dad has been dead for 2 years ya prick , so leave him out of this .......

[Tombstone RJ]

LMAO color me shocked .......so much for your chicago politics

More proof of Chicago's Democratic party's machine corruption:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/07/justice/blagojevich-sentencing/?hpt=hp_t1&imw=Y

Please note: Blagojevich is the second consecutive Illinois governor convicted of corruption. Former Republican Gov. George Ryan is serving time in federal prison.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9RG05300.htm

Please note: Illinois governors have gone bad with stunning frequency. Four of the last nine have been sentenced to prison, including Blagojevich's predecessor, George Ryan, who remains behind bars.

[elsid13]

How many Chinese people starve or live in abject poverty? Every American technology company has an R&D department, which is privately funded. Is Communism really the economic model you with to emulate? Do you really think the U.S. government should start taking taxpayer money to produce products?

Almost all of the basic R&D in this country comes either directly for Federal Government Agencies or grants the Feb provides. It's this basic research that increase the knowledge base and allows private sector to apply those ideas for innovation and new products. And over the last 10 year the amount of monies the government has fallen when comes to funding R&D and it very big national security concern (12% (2002) of total descretionary spending to under 10% (2007). So yes I think the Federal Government should use Tax Payer money to "produce" products, by expanded the amount of funds we use on basic research.

Also you should know that more and more applied research that private sector is doing is being shipped out of the country to other country due to wages. Which the matter even worse for our security and economy.

More details: http://www.scienceprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SciProgResearchandDevelopment-101.pdf

[epicSocialism4tw]

Almost all of the basic R&D in this country comes either directly for Federal Government Agencies or grants the Feb provides. It's this basic research that increase the knowledge base and allows private sector to apply those ideas for innovation and new products. And over the last 10 year the amount of monies the government has fallen when comes to funding R&D and it very big national security concern (12% (2002) of total descretionary spending to under 10% (2007). So yes I think the Federal Government should use Tax Payer money to "produce" products, by expanded the amount of funds we use on basic research.

Also you should know that more and more applied research that private sector is doing is being shipped out of the country to other country due to wages. Which the matter even worse for our security and economy.

More details: http://www.scienceprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SciProgResearchandDevelopment-101.pdf

Hurting the private sector R&D is that US patent laws are not enforceable outside of the country and communist states like China readily steal patented material.

The thing that sets the US apart from other nations is the patent laws. Thats why the great researchers come here...because they can make money from their work. But unfortunately, communist China is trying to eat more and more of the marketplace.

[Blart]

Our patent system is beyond flawed, and exists to serve patent trolls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll) far more than innovators.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Our patent system is beyond flawed, and exists to serve patent trolls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll) far more than innovators.

The patent itself is what sets the US apart.

Without it, the creator of an idea can be exploited...as you see in communist China, India, and many places around the world. Heck, Hugo Chavez will just take your business in Venezuela.

The patent is a purely American innovation, and is as important to individual rights as property ownership.

[Blart]

Patents are for giant corporations to sue other giant corporations.

A small time guy patenting an idea simply doesn't happen with any real frequency. The costs are insane, and defending your patent against another small company is impossible - your only hope is if it's against a giant corporation, where you can hope for a return on legal fees.

Here's what normally happens these days: Small time inventors (usually software) sell their ideas to a patent troll, where it will sit unused, until a giant corporation invents something similar and the patent troll sues to make money.

Here's who owns all the patents in the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures
(a patent troll)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Patents are for giant corporations to sue other giant corporations.

A small time guy patenting an idea simply doesn't happen. The best you can hope for as a small time inventor is to sell your idea to a patent troll, where it will sit unused, until a giant corporation invents something similar and the patent troll sues.

Here's who owns all the patents in the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures

Have you ever filed and/or written a patent?

[pricejj]

Patents are for giant corporations to sue other giant corporations.

A small time guy patenting an idea simply doesn't happen with any real frequency. The costs are insane, and defending your patent against another small company is impossible - your only hope is if it's against a giant corporation, where you can hope for a return on legal fees.

Here's what normally happens these days: Small time inventors (usually software) sell their ideas to a patent troll, where it will sit unused, until a giant corporation invents something similar and the patent troll sues to make money.

Here's who owns all the patents in the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures
(a patent troll)

You hate the U.S. almost as much as Obama. congratulations.

[Blart]

Looked into it, I have a relative in biotech with a great idea, but I also have some good friends in Patent Law who broke our spirit. The initial costs are high - 6 figures which we could eek out, but the defense costs are astronomical. It's simply beyond our scope.

Patents can be a great idea, but not the way they're done today.


Patents are the weapons that big corporations use against each other, and it is no longer a game that can be played by startups and independent inventors. Large corporations construct patent arsenals that they use in a kind of Mutually Assured Destruction détente (which has turned into a shooting war recently over the mobile device market).

In short our patent system, which was meant to encourage creativity, innovation, and progress is now having the exact opposite effect. It is now a discouraging mess that keeps people like me awake at night worrying about how I am going to get my idea to market and build a future for my family. Even with the patent reform act, the nature of the beast has still not changed, inventors are still at the mercy of a system that is corrupted by bad actors abusing it.

What I have learned is that in the ongoing patent wars the startup needs to practice something akin to asymmetrical warfare. They need to take advantage of their size to escape the notice of predators (Patent Trolls) and to make themselves appear too small for the big boys to bother with.

At the same time it is advantageous to make yourself look too costly to attack. Right now the same lawyer is working on creating a set of opinion papers for us. What the papers do is state that in his opinion our product does not infringe on patent XYZ because of "Blah blah blah". They are just that though, opinions, they have little standing in court but 99% of the patent trolls out there will run and hide when they receive one of these shortly after they sent out their threatening letter. The fact that the opinion letters directly address the patent they are threatening with makes it look like we are prepared for them, and therefore it looks like we are ready for a fight and the patent trolls don't want fights they want easy marks.

So how are we protecting our innovation? Its a secret... or at least how it works is a secret, which brings with it a whole mess of other problems that I will get into next week as I make my way through the maze of intellectual property law.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/23/1027403/-Confessions-of-a-Job-Creator:-Patently-Insane

[epicSocialism4tw]

Looked into it, I have a relative in biotech with a great idea, but I also have some good friends in Patent Law who broke our spirit. The initial costs are high - 6 figures which we could eek out, but the defense costs are astronomical. It's simply beyond our scope.

Patents can be a great idea, but not the way they're done today.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/23/1027403/-Confessions-of-a-Job-Creator:-Patently-Insane

I have helped write and file a patent. The initial costs are high because of the patent lawyers who have mucked up the front end (just like any industry these days).

But a patent can be filed. You can be protected by the provisional patent while you organize.