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OEII
12-01-2011, 07:36 AM
Did anybody else see the piece comparing this year's Broncos and the 2003 Panthers on NFL Network last night? I can't find the video, but it was kind of eye-opening how similar the numbers were between the two teams. If you recall, they were calling Carolina the Cardiac Cats all that year because they won so many tight games. Denverís winning close games and it looks like they are purposely trying to keep them close. Itís been a long time since I seen a Broncos team that comfortable in tight games, and this confident in their defense. I'm not saying we are going on a super bowl run, but if you don't see the influence of John Fox on this team, I don't believe you're really looking.

If anybody can find the video, I'd be much appreciated. Thanks,

Broncbow
12-01-2011, 07:39 AM
if you don't see the influence of John Fox on this team, I don't believe you're really looking.

This certainly is not McCoys offense, not by any stretch of the imagination~!!

jhns
12-01-2011, 07:46 AM
This certainly is not McCoys offense, not by any stretch of the imagination~!!

McCoy was part of that Panthers team, which is the only other NFL team that I know of him working for. What offense do you think he runs?

bronco militia
12-01-2011, 07:54 AM
if you look back at Tebows first start in Oakland , you can definitely tell that this is still McCoy's and Studesville's offense.

Kaylore
12-01-2011, 08:03 AM
I saw it. Delhome was an established QB at the time and way more prolific than Tebow has even hoped to be to this point. They failed to mention that.

bendog
12-01-2011, 08:03 AM
btw, I didn't see the show, but I'd compare this season more to Car 2002 season. Fox took over a 1-15 team, drafted Julius Peppers and became respectable. In 2003, Fox brought in Delhomme and Stephen Davis and they became really good.

bendog
12-01-2011, 08:05 AM
2003 was Delhomme's first year as a starting qb. He was coming off of NOLAs roster as a FA after two nfleurope tours. NOLA gave Aaron Brooks a big contract instead. It was a bad time.

lolcopter
12-01-2011, 08:12 AM
So... we need some more 1st round RBs??

Let it ride

Jay3
12-01-2011, 08:17 AM
I saw it. Delhome was an established QB at the time and way more prolific than Tebow has even hoped to be to this point. They failed to mention that.

I think you're off on your years here, or memory, or something.

I watched that season as it unfolded. It was frustrating to watch at first, but each game they would keep pounding it with Stephen Davis, even if it wasn't working. Then, in the second half, it just started working. By the end of the game, Davis was gashing teams.

I just reviewed his stat line for that season, and Davis had games where he carried the ball 33, 31, 30, and 30 times that year. DeShaun Foster was also on that team, his carries grew (and that was the year Carolina started with the "two backs getting a lot of carries" reputation.

Jay3
12-01-2011, 08:19 AM
I also attended the playoff victory over the Cowboys in the playoffs that year. Davis was a stud.

bendog
12-01-2011, 08:32 AM
So... we need some more 1st round RBs??

Let it ride

Stephen Davis was brought in from the Redskins. I recall it was a FA signing but I have no recollection of why Wash let him go. DeShaun Foster was a second rd pick. Fox took Stewart at 13 and Williams at 27.

Bronco Boy
12-01-2011, 08:39 AM
So in 7 years we'll be 1-15. Well that sucks.

bendog
12-01-2011, 08:41 AM
If Fox gets us to a superbowl and another AFC championship game in 7 years, I'm not gonna complain.

Kaylore
12-01-2011, 09:05 AM
I think you're off on your years here, or memory, or something.

I watched that season as it unfolded. It was frustrating to watch at first, but each game they would keep pounding it with Stephen Davis, even if it wasn't working. Then, in the second half, it just started working. By the end of the game, Davis was gashing teams.

I just reviewed his stat line for that season, and Davis had games where he carried the ball 33, 31, 30, and 30 times that year. DeShaun Foster was also on that team, his carries grew (and that was the year Carolina started with the "two backs getting a lot of carries" reputation.

What I meant is Delhomme was more involved in the passing game. He threw for 3200 yards and 19 touchdowns. Assuming Tebow played all year, extrapolating his stats out, the TD's would similar but the yardage is almost 1000 less. You could make the case that Tebow runs for the shortfall of yardage that Delhomme passed for, though. And Looking at Delomme's 16 ints on the season, to what would have been Tebow's maybe 4 had he started, the comparison isn't too far off.

jhns
12-01-2011, 09:06 AM
What I meant is Delhomme was more involved in the passing game. He threw for 3200 yards and 19 touchdowns. Assuming Tebow played all year, extrapolating his stats out, the TD's would similar but the yardage is almost 1000 less. You could make the case that Tebow runs for the shortfall of yardage that Delhomme passed for, though. And Looking at Delomme's 16 ints on the season, to what would have been Tebow's maybe 4 had he started, the comparison isn't too far off.

16 vs 4 turnovers

Leaving out Tebows rushing, which is a lot of his production


Yeah, you really have a point there!

SonOfLe-loLang
12-01-2011, 09:21 AM
16 vs 4 turnovers

Leaving out Tebows rushing, which is a lot of his production


Yeah, you really have a point there!

Did you even read the short paragraph he wrote?

jhns
12-01-2011, 09:25 AM
Did you even read the short paragraph he wrote?

Yeah, it was a horrible spin in an attempt to justify a retarded comment.

vancejohnson82
12-01-2011, 09:44 AM
Yeah, it was a horrible spin in an attempt to justify a retarded comment.

I kinda feel like he backed off his original comment and agreed with the OP

but reading comprehension isnt for everyone I guess

jhns
12-01-2011, 09:51 AM
I kinda feel like he backed off his original comment and agreed with the OP

but reading comprehension isnt for everyone I guess

You are talking to me about reading comprehension? Now that is funny.

He did realize how retarded his original comment was. He also tried to spin it to he wasn't that far off as he makes a terrible comparison and shows that Tebow is playing far better. He then comes to a completely different conclusion. You would have to be able to read to see all the spinning though...

bowtown
12-01-2011, 09:54 AM
What I meant is Delhomme was more involved in the passing game. He threw for 3200 yards and 19 touchdowns. Assuming Tebow played all year, extrapolating his stats out, the TD's would similar but the yardage is almost 1000 less. You could make the case that Tebow runs for the shortfall of yardage that Delhomme passed for, though. And Looking at Delomme's 16 ints on the season, to what would have been Tebow's maybe 4 had he started, the comparison isn't too far off.

But I've been led to believe no QB has ever thrived on a John Fox coached team.

bendog
12-01-2011, 10:04 AM
But I've been led to believe no QB has ever thrived on a John Fox coached team.

Fox only hates tebow and wants him to fail. He's ok with all other qbs. You can plainly see it when he said tebow would suck in a conventional NFL offense. He's just setting Tim up to fail. I weep.

bendog
12-01-2011, 10:08 AM
What I meant is Delhomme was more involved in the passing game. He threw for 3200 yards and 19 touchdowns. Assuming Tebow played all year, extrapolating his stats out, the TD's would similar but the yardage is almost 1000 less. You could make the case that Tebow runs for the shortfall of yardage that Delhomme passed for, though. And Looking at Delomme's 16 ints on the season, to what would have been Tebow's maybe 4 had he started, the comparison isn't too far off.

People here like to bash Delhomme for some reason. Perhaps its a jhns type thing where since Fox is clearly not 100% sold on Tebow, then anything Fox related has to be trashed regardless of facts. But, Delhomme was a decent team leader. Hard working guy who would mix it up with anyone, and he had his guys backs. There playing styles are not truly close, but they are both guys who had a lot of doubters, and Delhomme definitely worked to become an NFL qb.

jhns
12-01-2011, 10:10 AM
People here like to bash Delhomme for some reason. Perhaps its a jhns type thing where since Fox is clearly not 100% sold on Tebow, then anything Fox related has to be trashed regardless of facts. But, Delhomme was a decent team leader. Hard working guy who would mix it up with anyone, and he had his guys backs. There playing styles are not truly close, but they are both guys who had a lot of doubters, and Delhomme definitely worked to become an NFL qb.

Wtf? Fox seems to be the most sold on Tebow. Your premise doesn't even begin to make sense.

Kaylore
12-01-2011, 11:51 AM
People here like to bash Delhomme for some reason. Perhaps its a jhns type thing where since Fox is clearly not 100% sold on Tebow, then anything Fox related has to be trashed regardless of facts. But, Delhomme was a decent team leader. Hard working guy who would mix it up with anyone, and he had his guys backs. There playing styles are not truly close, but they are both guys who had a lot of doubters, and Delhomme definitely worked to become an NFL qb.

A running QB should be with a coach who likes to run. I honestly think if he was with coach favoring pocket QB's, he'd be gone by now.

epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2011, 12:57 PM
I think you're off on your years here, or memory, or something.

I watched that season as it unfolded. It was frustrating to watch at first, but each game they would keep pounding it with Stephen Davis, even if it wasn't working. Then, in the second half, it just started working. By the end of the game, Davis was gashing teams.

I just reviewed his stat line for that season, and Davis had games where he carried the ball 33, 31, 30, and 30 times that year. DeShaun Foster was also on that team, his carries grew (and that was the year Carolina started with the "two backs getting a lot of carries" reputation.

Sounds familiar, eh?

I love that we stick with the run and force teams to stay disciplined or pay the price. Today's NFL is an undisciplined league, and Fox is smart to force that issue. Not every player wants to do the little things anymore.

Its fun puling for the scary monster in a league full of pretty princesses.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 01:43 PM
A running QB should be with a coach who likes to run. I honestly think if he was with coach favoring pocket QB's, he'd be gone by now.

Based on the fact that he has usually looked decent to good passing when allowed to throw on more that just 3rd down, I think you're really making a leap there. I'm also pretty sure we'd still have Gaffney and Lloyd if we had a coach that liked to pass, so Tebow's life would definitely be easier in the passing game.