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strafen
11-29-2011, 07:02 PM
There are a lot of "IFs" for Tebow to get MVP considerations.

If we finish with a winning record, a 10-6 and/or if make the play-offs should be enough acomplishments to get some votes for MVP...

Another point:
As crazy as this may sound, a probowl berth is not out of the realm of possibilities, considering how in the AFC only Brady and Flacco at this point seem to be the only ones that stand out. Plenty spots left to fill the QB position for the probowl in the AFC...

Discuss...

cutthemdown
11-29-2011, 07:03 PM
There are a lot of "IFs" for Tebow to get MVP considerations.

If we finish with a winning record, a 10-6 and/or if make the play-offs should be enough acomplishments to get some votes for MVP...

Another point:
As crazy as this may sound, a probowl berth is not out of the realm of possibilities, considering how in the AFC only Brady and Flacco at this point seem to be the only ones that stand out. Plenty spots left to fill the QB position for the probowl in the AFC...

Discuss...

Tebow could slip in if he wins enough to go to playoffs. He will get fan votes, but even some coaches and players will respect a comeback like that. It would be funny to watch tebow go balls out in the pro bowl and piss off some NFC players by str8 arming him into the ground when he is loafing.

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 07:06 PM
There are a lot of "IFs" for Tebow to get MVP considerations.

If we finish with a winning record, a 10-6 and/or if make the play-offs should be enough acomplishments to get some votes for MVP...

Another point:
As crazy as this may sound, a probowl berth is not out of the realm of possibilities, considering how in the AFC only Brady and Flacco at this point seem to be the only ones that stand out. Plenty spots left to fill the QB position for the probowl in the AFC...

Discuss...

hell will freeze over before either of these happens...

strafen
11-29-2011, 07:16 PM
[QUOTE=Tombstone RJ;3396517]hell will freeze over before either of these happens...[/QUOTEFor a team -the broncos- that was given little chance to make it over 6-7 wins, let alone make the play-offs, I think hell's got a good chance to freeze over...
Remember, I've said getting votes, not that he would get the MVP, but he's got a good chance for some nomination...

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 07:21 PM
One of the Denver Post guys made the suggestion today that Tebow could be an MVP runner-up to Aaron Rodgers.

ant1999e
11-29-2011, 07:25 PM
Won't happen. He doesn't get the credit for the wins. It's always winning despite Tebow. Bad opponents, good defense, bad coaching, fluke plays etc.

lolcopter
11-29-2011, 07:34 PM
maybe if he throws 4 TDs as the super bowl MVP

otherwise, no.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 07:36 PM
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if Denver made it to the playoffs and won their first game!

Watching Teebs in the playoffs would be awesome. When the stakes get higher, his play elevates. We have a super-clutch QB.

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 07:39 PM
For a team -the broncos- that was given little chance to make it over 6-7 wins, let alone make the play-offs, I think hell's got a good chance to freeze over...Remember, I've said getting votes, not that he would get the MVP, but he's got a good chance for some nomination...

yah ok but doesn't his name have to be on the ballot in order to get some votes? Who decides what names go on the MVP ballot?

Blueflame
11-29-2011, 07:40 PM
The level of play Aaron Rodgers has consistently shown this season, there's no way anyone else should seriously be considered as league MVP.

barryr
11-29-2011, 07:40 PM
Florida won 2 championships despite Tebow and Tebow's HS team won a state title with him as the senior starting QB who had nothing to do with that either. It's just been a coincidence teams tend to win with him at QB. That is what the bozos would like you all to believe. Whether Tebow develops into a great QB, we will see if he is given a chance, but the idiots who want to believe he won't for various reasons, (mostly stupid), are just as annoying and silly as those they say worship him.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 07:44 PM
Florida won 2 championships despite Tebow and a state title in HS even though Tebow was the QB. It's just been a coincidence teams tend to win with him at QB. That is what the bozos would like you all to believe.

Tebow 'preciates it.

GB^2

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 07:45 PM
The level of play Aaron Rodgers has consistently shown this season, there's no way anyone else should seriously be considered as league MVP.

Plus the media loves them some Green Bay. I personally can't stand the little stink hole Green Bay and their stupid cheese-eating-fatass fans. Where were these diehard sell out crowds in the 1980's when the packers sucked? Oh yah, they were at home eating cheese.

OrangeSe7en
11-29-2011, 07:46 PM
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if Denver made it to the playoffs and won their first game!

Watching Teebs in the playoffs would be awesome. When the stakes get higher, his play elevates. We have a super-clutch QB.

True. I remember the second half of that Alabama game of his junior year. The game was in the balance and Tebow unbelievable. People can try to dismiss it because that was college, but he's been doing it in the NFL under less than ideal circumstances.

bowtown
11-29-2011, 07:46 PM
No.

Blueflame
11-29-2011, 07:49 PM
Plus the media loves them some Green Bay. I personally can't stand the little stink hole Green Bay and their stupid cheese-eating-fatass fans. Where were these diehard sell out crowds in the 1980's when the packers sucked? Oh yah, they were at home eating cheese.

Can't really argue with "undefeated" though.

barryr
11-29-2011, 07:50 PM
True. I remember the second half of that Alabama game of his junior year. The game was in the balance and Tebow unbelievable. People can try to dismiss it because that was college, but he's been doing it in the NFL under less than ideal circumstances.

Well, the naysayers will say "only college" then tell us how great QB's in college are doing and would be better than Tebow, using their stats in college no less. I just love logic the Tebow haters use.

extralife
11-29-2011, 07:50 PM
The level of play Aaron Rodgers has consistently shown this season, there's no way anyone else should seriously be considered as league MVP.

No.

well, at least two people in this thread aren't complete idiots

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 07:51 PM
True. I remember the second half of that Alabama game of his junior year. The game was in the balance and Tebow unbelievable. People can try to dismiss it because that was college, but he's been doing it in the NFL under less than ideal circumstances.

Tebow is the best when he is under pressure. When he gets his feet under him in this league, he's going to be the next Elway. He's going to be the guy who starts charging back and the other team starts getting shaky-knee'd and nervous and watches the Tebow train run them over.

There's not a better player in the league to root for. The tough guy in a generation of prissy QB's. The mega-clutch dominator. The guy everyone wants to see lose, but who beats their team instead.

Spider
11-29-2011, 07:55 PM
How many years in hell do I get if I say no ?

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 07:55 PM
OK, so the reality MVP ballot will probably be something like this:

1. Aaron Rogers

2. Drew Brees

3. Tom the lady Brady

4. Peyton Manning

5. Joe Flacco

any other guesses as who might be on the ballot?

barryr
11-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Tebow is the best when he is under pressure. When he gets his feet under him in this league, he's going to be the next Elway. He's going to be the guy who starts charging back and the other team starts getting shaky-knee'd and nervous and watches the Tebow train run them over.

There's not a better player in the league to root for. The tough guy in a generation of prissy QB's. The mega-clutch dominator. The guy everyone wants to see lose, but who beats their team instead.

When you hear Tebow talk and constantly thank the coaches, the rest of the team, and the fans, I really find ir hard to believe any Bronco fans not liking the guy. I mean, he has to miss practices, call out teammates, complain about play calling to get some people's respect or something? It's ridiculous and really a shame to think a guy that goes out of his way, showing humility can still have Bronco fans rooting for his failure.

OrangeSe7en
11-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Tebow is the best when he is under pressure. When he gets his feet under him in this league, he's going to be the next Elway. He's going to be the guy who starts charging back and the other team starts getting shaky-knee'd and nervous and watches the Tebow train run them over.

There's not a better player in the league to root for. The tough guy in a generation of prissy QB's. The mega-clutch dominator. The guy everyone wants to see lose, but who beats their team instead.

I agree for the most part but, having said that, I don't think he should be in discussion for the MVP--at least, not yet.

OrangeSe7en
11-29-2011, 08:00 PM
OK, so the reality MVP ballot will probably be something like this:

1. Aaron Rogers

2. Drew Brees

3. Tom the lady Brady

4. Peyton Manning
5. Joe Flacco
any other guesses as who might be on the ballot?

No.

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 08:03 PM
No.

Yah, Flacco is a long shot but Manning is obviously the colts MVP, just look at how the team is doing without him. Plus, he's a big time media star, so he's got that going for him too.

OrangeSe7en
11-29-2011, 08:06 PM
Yah, Flacco is a long shot but Manning is obviously the colts MVP, just look at how the team is doing without him. Plus, he's a big time media star, so he's got that going for him too.

Yeah, I've heard that argument for Peyton but you can't win the MVP if you don't play. The whole idea is to earn awards based on how you play.

Play2win
11-29-2011, 08:24 PM
The level of play Aaron Rodgers has consistently shown this season, there's no way anyone else should seriously be considered as league MVP.

Depends on how Drew Bees ends the season. If he has an incredible run at it, he might give Rodgers some serious competition.

DenverBrit
11-29-2011, 08:25 PM
How many years in hell do I get if I say no ?

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Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 08:32 PM
Yeah, I've heard that argument for Peyton but you can't win the MVP if you don't play. The whole idea is to earn awards based on how you play.

really? wow, did not know that, thanks!

























































ps, I still think Manning will get on the ballot before Tebow...

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-29-2011, 08:41 PM
i would lmfao if tebow got into the superbowl this year and won it but hell would have a white Christmas , and Satan would give all the poor people million bucks a piece and cook everyone Christmas dinner with no strings attached before that would ever happen at least this year

Blueflame
11-29-2011, 08:56 PM
Depends on how Drew Bees ends the season. If he has an incredible run at it, he might give Rodgers some serious competition.

If voting were done today, though... you wouldn't really need more than just the name "Rodgers" on the ballot. His team is undefeated and his high performance level has played a big role in that.

Agamemnon
11-29-2011, 09:06 PM
There are a lot of "IFs" for Tebow to get MVP considerations.

If we finish with a winning record, a 10-6 and/or if make the play-offs should be enough acomplishments to get some votes for MVP...

Another point:
As crazy as this may sound, a probowl berth is not out of the realm of possibilities, considering how in the AFC only Brady and Flacco at this point seem to be the only ones that stand out. Plenty spots left to fill the QB position for the probowl in the AFC...

Discuss...

Tebow doesn't deserve a pro bowl berth, much less the freaking MVP. What he's done has been amazing at times, but he's also struggled far too often. He's just not a complete QB right now, and though he's been a big part of the turnaround, our defense gets at least as much credit as Tebow. If we go 5-0 to finish the season and he consistently plays like a complete QB in that span, with several more clutch 4th quarter drives, maybe an argument could be made. But right now, no way.

(Watch all the people who love to try to marginalize me as a Tebow worshipper completely ignore this post. Ha!)

Tim
11-29-2011, 09:17 PM
wow this wasn't a joke.

I think Brees and Brady both have over 5084 passing yards and Rodgers' packers go undefeated, so no, not this year.:peace:

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 09:27 PM
I agree for the most part but, having said that, I don't think he should be in discussion for the MVP--at least, not yet.

If Tebow takes a 1-4 team to win a division title and into the playoffs...you can't help but consider it. Other than Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, I don't see how anyone would have a comparable argument.

Tebow won't get it though because of the visceral wincing that most media people do. If he continues on this upward trajectory though, he'll get it eventually. Because after awhile the foreign-ness of Tebow's game will have become familiarity, and people will start expecting him to do great things because he does them all the time.

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 09:34 PM
If Tebow takes a 1-4 team to win a division title and into the playoffs...you can't help but consider it. Other than Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, I don't see how anyone would have a comparable argument.

Tebow won't get it though because of the visceral wincing that most media people do. If he continues on this upward trajectory though, he'll get it eventually. Because after awhile the foreign-ness of Tebow's game will have become familiarity, and people will start expecting him to do great things because he does them all the time.

I thought familiarity breeds contempt. Or is it to know is to love? I'm so confused...

McDman
11-29-2011, 09:37 PM
Absolutely no way. It would be ridiculous for a QB who throws under 50% to win it.

Vegas_Bronco
11-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Im just going to sit back, relax, and take in the idea that this is even being discussed.

Turd_Ferguson
11-29-2011, 09:45 PM
Tebow doesn't deserve a pro bowl berth, much less the freaking MVP. What he's done has been amazing at times, but he's also struggled far too often. He's just not a complete QB right now, and though he's been a big part of the turnaround, our defense gets at least as much credit as Tebow. If we go 5-0 to finish the season and he consistently plays like a complete QB in that span, with several more clutch 4th quarter drives, maybe an argument could be made. But right now, no way.

(Watch all the people who love to try to marginalize me as a Tebow worshipper completely ignore this post. Ha!)

True story... if the team starts passing a lot and he performs like he did in san diego and continues to run with success also, I could see him getting in the pro bowl on some sort of thing where two guys were injured, or decided to pull a favre and not go. Its a really big stretch though, I guarantee the voters would put andy dalton ahead of him, even if Tebows passing improved and he racked up tons of rushing tds.

HAT
11-29-2011, 09:46 PM
Im just going to sit back, relax, and take in the idea that this is even being discussed.

Dude...It's a dragster thread. What did you expect?

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 09:54 PM
Dude...It's a dragster thread. What did you expect?

It was originally mentioned in today's Denver Post by Klis, I think.

Spider
11-29-2011, 09:59 PM
really? wow, did not know that, thanks!

























































ps, I still think Manning will get on the ballot before Tebow...
this is an old argument , I remember back in the 70's the piking of a player that team is doing well vs a player going down to injury and their team sucking ......

Spider
11-29-2011, 10:00 PM
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why yes , yes I do ;)

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2011, 10:01 PM
I thought MVP stood for Most Valuable Passer. Am I wrong?

strafen
11-29-2011, 10:12 PM
It was originally mentioned in today's Denver Post by Klis, I think.Yeah, I've also heard it somewhere else. I thought it would be a good discussion.
In my opinion it's about how valuable a player is to his team's success and NOT whether he can throw the ball or not...
The jury will be out until the end of the season. We will revisit this thread :wiggle:

PS: assHAT's still my b!tch :welcome:

Hamrob
11-29-2011, 10:32 PM
I think he'll be a contender...but, most folks will consider it a fluke.

Two big items for Tebow:

1. Beat the Pats
2. Take your team to the playoffs

If that happens, he may not become the MVP...but, he'll probably get his coach voted "Coach of the Year"!

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 10:34 PM
I think he'll be a contender...but, most folks will consider it a fluke.

Two big items for Tebow:

1. Beat the Pats
2. Take your team to the playoffs

If that happens, he may not become the MVP...but, he'll probably get his coach voted "Coach of the Year"!

That would be HUGE. It would be a death blow to the haters.

Blueflame
11-29-2011, 10:35 PM
The jury's not out at all, Strafen. Both Rodgers and Brees would have to have a complete and total collapse... and we'd have to win all of our remaining games... for Tebow's name to even come up in MVP discussions anywhere that it might count.

Turd_Ferguson
11-29-2011, 10:36 PM
I think he'll be a contender...but, most folks will consider it a fluke.

Two big items for Tebow:

1. Beat the Pats
2. Take your team to the playoffs

If that happens, he may not become the MVP...but, he'll probably get his coach voted "Coach of the Year"!

interesting... not a lot of talk about John Fox getting that award but Damn if they make the playoffs after completely changing the offense during the year, and taking a defense that has been less than great to one of the best in the NFL.... Well then he would be deserving...

strafen
11-29-2011, 11:10 PM
The jury's not out at all, Strafen. Both Rodgers and Brees would have to have a complete and total collapse... and we'd have to win all of our remaining games... for Tebow's name to even come up in MVP discussions anywhere that it might count.I agree.
I would make a case for Brees more than Rodgers, as the the Saints go as far as Brees can take them.
The Packers and the Pats are more of a complete teams than the Saints are...

I doubt Tebow would get any consideration if any at all. The people who vote are probably the same people hating his ass Ha!

Agamemnon
11-29-2011, 11:12 PM
I agree.
I would make a case for Brees more than Rodgers, as the the Saints go as far as Brees can take them.
The Packers and the Pats are more of a complete teams than the Saints are...

I doubt Tebow would get any consideration if any at all. The people who vote are probably the same people hating his ass Ha!

The Packers can't run or play defense (other than force turnovers). Aaron Rodgers is the MVP as far as I'm concerned, and it's not even close.

Blueflame
11-29-2011, 11:15 PM
Because his team is as yet undefeated... and the way he's played has been a significant factor in the Pack's success so far this year... I believe Rodgers would be "generally" viewed as having the edge over Brees. This is not to say Brees hasn't had an excellent year; he has. But again, it's hard to argue with "undefeated".

Play2win
11-29-2011, 11:19 PM
If voting were done today, though... you wouldn't really need more than just the name "Rodgers" on the ballot. His team is undefeated and his high performance level has played a big role in that.

He is having a historic season, that is for sure. Makes me laugh thinking about all the talk on draft day, back then, about his awkward release/release point and how he was a Jeff Tedford coached QB. Sure signs he will never have any real success in the NFL... Hilarious!

BroncoMan4ever
11-29-2011, 11:51 PM
The level of play Aaron Rodgers has consistently shown this season, there's no way anyone else should seriously be considered as league MVP.

agreed. right now Rodgers is putting together quite possibly the greatest single season by a QB in NFL history. his play is out of this world.

ChrisToker
11-30-2011, 12:05 AM
There are a lot of "IFs" for Tebow to get MVP considerations.

If we finish with a winning record, a 10-6 and/or if make the play-offs should be enough acomplishments to get some votes for MVP...

Another point:
As crazy as this may sound, a probowl berth is not out of the realm of possibilities, considering how in the AFC only Brady and Flacco at this point seem to be the only ones that stand out. Plenty spots left to fill the QB position for the probowl in the AFC...

Discuss...With all the records are on brink of destruction by Rodgers has to go to him. NORML if qb went 9-2 (if 10-6 record) and had TD/INT ratio off charts then he is in hunt.

ColoradoDarin
11-30-2011, 05:46 AM
True story... if the team starts passing a lot and he performs like he did in san diego and continues to run with success also, I could see him getting in the pro bowl on some sort of thing where two guys were injured, or decided to pull a favre and not go. Its a really big stretch though, I guarantee the voters would put andy dalton ahead of him, even if Tebows passing improved and he racked up tons of rushing tds.

And since they switched the Pro Bowl to before the Superbowl, you could have one of the AFC QBs (aka Tom Brady) in the Superbowl and thus not going to play in the PB. I really could see Tim get a shot at it, if we continue to win.

MVP? Not likely. Rodgers or Brees have it locked up (unless they get some competition).

oubronco
11-30-2011, 06:30 AM
No way is he MVP

BabyTO
11-30-2011, 07:11 AM
if we win a few more games im sure he'll be right up there in the top 3. without him we're on track for the #1 overall pick. with him we're a playoff team.

strafen
11-30-2011, 09:43 AM
Because his team is as yet undefeated... and the way he's played has been a significant factor in the Pack's success so far this year... I believe Rodgers would be "generally" viewed as having the edge over Brees. This is not to say Brees hasn't had an excellent year; he has. But again, it's hard to argue with "undefeated".

The Packers are the defending SB Champs.
It's not like Rodgers has brought them back from the dead...

BroncoBeavis
11-30-2011, 10:18 AM
OK, so the reality MVP ballot will probably be something like this:

1. Aaron Rogers

2. Drew Brees

3. Tom the lady Brady

4. Peyton Manning

5. Joe Flacco

any other guesses as who might be on the ballot?

I'm as big a Tebow guy as anyone, but MVP talk is crazy. Just crazy.

That said, what's up with the Flacco love all the sudden? Guy looks like crap more than half the time.

Broncos4tw
11-30-2011, 10:20 AM
He isn't even the most valuable person on our team. Why would he get NFL MVP recognition?

Liquid Courage
11-30-2011, 10:23 AM
if by considering how he compares to the MVP Aaron Rodgers, then yes, he deserves consideration. Tim has been a winner, but he is a long ways from being an MVP, Von Miller is the MVP candidate from our team IMO.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-30-2011, 10:30 AM
Tebow doesn't deserve a pro bowl berth, much less the freaking MVP. What he's done has been amazing at times, but he's also struggled far too often. He's just not a complete QB right now, and though he's been a big part of the turnaround, our defense gets at least as much credit as Tebow. If we go 5-0 to finish the season and he consistently plays like a complete QB in that span, with several more clutch 4th quarter drives, maybe an argument could be made. But right now, no way.

(Watch all the people who love to try to marginalize me as a Tebow worshipper completely ignore this post. Ha!)

HIERATIC !!!!!!!!!!!!! you just wait til high priest mcgrubber sees your post he will burn you at the stake . may Tebow have mercy on your soul

kamakazi_kal
11-30-2011, 11:54 AM
I think Miller has been the big turn on D with dumerville not so much tebow and the O though the 4th quarters have been "must see tv" when it comes to tebow.

Broncbow
11-30-2011, 12:07 PM
He isn't even the most valuable person on our team. Why would he get NFL MVP recognition?

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TailgateNut
11-30-2011, 12:10 PM
Tebow doesn't deserve a pro bowl berth, much less the freaking MVP. What he's done has been amazing at times, but he's also struggled far too often. He's just not a complete QB right now, and though he's been a big part of the turnaround, our defense gets at least as much credit as Tebow. If we go 5-0 to finish the season and he consistently plays like a complete QB in that span, with several more clutch 4th quarter drives, maybe an argument could be made. But right now, no way.

(Watch all the people who love to try to marginalize me as a Tebow worshipper completely ignore this post. Ha!)

Not marginalizing, but am going to make an appointment at the shrink for you.