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smoke4815162342
11-29-2011, 01:13 AM
From MMQB:

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Stop saying Denver's fluky, because it's a lie. The recipe for the Broncos winning five of six is not Tebow, Tebow and more Tebow. It's defense and the running game keeping things close. It's Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil rushing the passer and keeping him uncomfortable, and a reborn Willis McGahee (4.8 yards per carry at age 31) pounding defenses with the changeup ability of Tebow thrown in. And Eric Decker making circus catches. That about covers it.

"If it ain't broken, and it ain't, then don't fix it," McGahee told me from San Diego Sunday night. It was a 23-carry, 117-yard day by McGahee, with his 24-yard run in overtime setting up the winning field goal that led to the 16-13 overtime win. Afterward, McGahee said the game had the feel of another close one, and he said to Tebow in the middle of the second half, "Me and you gotta win this game." And the two men combined to do it, helped by a third-and-11 conversion catch by Decker that was upheld by review on the game-tying drive at the end of the fourth quarter. You know, when Tebow takes over. "It's cool everybody doubts us," McGahee said. "Don't respect us. All we know is, if it's close at the end, we're gonna win."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1f2v4yLWA
I'd say things are just fine!

ZONA
11-29-2011, 02:50 AM
From MMQB:

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Stop saying Denver's fluky, because it's a lie. The recipe for the Broncos winning five of six is not Tebow, Tebow and more Tebow. It's defense and the running game keeping things close. It's Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil rushing the passer and keeping him uncomfortable, and a reborn Willis McGahee (4.8 yards per carry at age 31) pounding defenses with the changeup ability of Tebow thrown in. And Eric Decker making circus catches. That about covers it.

"If it ain't broken, and it ain't, then don't fix it," McGahee told me from San Diego Sunday night. It was a 23-carry, 117-yard day by McGahee, with his 24-yard run in overtime setting up the winning field goal that led to the 16-13 overtime win. Afterward, McGahee said the game had the feel of another close one, and he said to Tebow in the middle of the second half, "Me and you gotta win this game." And the two men combined to do it, helped by a third-and-11 conversion catch by Decker that was upheld by review on the game-tying drive at the end of the fourth quarter. You know, when Tebow takes over. "It's cool everybody doubts us," McGahee said. "Don't respect us. All we know is, if it's close at the end, we're gonna win."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1f2v4yLWA
I'd say things are just fine!

you're link doesn't work

Doggcow
11-29-2011, 02:52 AM
THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS THAT CARRIES THE BALL HERE.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 03:02 AM
. "It's cool everybody doubts us," McGahee said. "Don't respect us. All we know is, if it's close at the end, we're gonna win."

That's incredible.

Tebow's clutch dominance is what the team has to believe in. They want to join in and get the job done.

What has happened with the Broncos is that they have ditched the loser mentality and have replaced it with a tough-minded winners mentality.

When you have guys like McGahee saying things like this that mirror what Von Miller has been saying about fighting with Tebow to the end...something unique is happening in Denver.

These guys are playing far above their talent level.

Tebow has turned this franchise around. Just imagine what its going to be like when he refines his passing game. This could be the most brutal, morale-defeating offense in years. It just grinds the other team down when you can run the ball down their throats at will.

UberBroncoMan
11-29-2011, 03:12 AM
McGahee is 30 not 31. Nice reporting.

SportinOne
11-29-2011, 03:18 AM
he looks at least 32.. so i don't blame him too much.

SportinOne
11-29-2011, 03:19 AM
yeah.. and about the other stuff.. football is just better when your team is better. it's been a great season.

tsiguy96
11-29-2011, 03:24 AM
yeah.. and about the other stuff.. football is just better when your team is better. it's been a great season.

this is the most interesting football team i think ive ever watched. you literally dont know what to expect when tebows offense is on the team, and its weird to say given what weve seen the last several years, but i am more excited to see the defense on the field than offense.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 03:24 AM
Now that the team has bought in, has the taste of winning on their tongues, and may even have visions of division titles dancing in their heads...its going to be really hard to replace Tebow next season.

The team has his back and have shown it in a way they never did with Orton...by raising their level of play all over the field.

Tebow has always been appreciated by the defense, and it isnt any wonder that the defense has been motivated because they know he can get it done if they keep giving him chances.

tsiguy96
11-29-2011, 03:26 AM
Now that the team has bought in, has the taste of winning on their tongues, and may even have visions of division titles dancing in their heads...its going to be really hard to replace Tebow next season.

The team has his back and have shown it in a way they never did with Orton...by raising their level of play all over the field.

Tebow has always been appreciated by the defense, and it isnt any wonder that the defense has been motivated because they know he can get it done if they keep giving him chances.

i read the defense likes his juggernaut style of play, he plays offense like a defender. people will try all day to discredit his mark on the team, but you cant deny his impact and if you do you are being dense. i dont see why its so hard to see that denver went from an average defense and running game to a TOP defense and running game as soon as he entered.

the broncos are a tough team that i dont think many teams WANT to play, especially with vondoom being the bookends we all hoped they would.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 03:27 AM
this is the most interesting football team i think ive ever watched. you literally dont know what to expect when tebows offense is on the team, and its weird to say given what weve seen the last several years, but i am more excited to see the defense on the field than offense.

Von Miller.

He and Dumervil will be just ridiculous next season. How the heck do you stop that? These are two of the top 10 pass rushing talents in the league.

This team could be really good next year of the front office has a good offseason.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 03:33 AM
i read the defense likes his juggernaut style of play, he plays offense like a defender. people will try all day to discredit his mark on the team, but you cant deny his impact and if you do you are being dense. i dont see why its so hard to see that denver went from an average defense and running game to a TOP defense and running game as soon as he entered.

the broncos are a tough team that i dont think many teams WANT to play, especially with vondoom being the bookends we all hoped they would.

The Broncos are the ugly monster in a league full of pretty princesses.

Youre absolutely right when you say that nobody will want to play them. Theyll beat up defenses with the run game and beat up offenses with the pass rush. They turn the game into a slugfest that only the patient boxer can win by playing conservatively and waiting for an opening to land a killer blow.

What is becoming evident is that the Broncos have provided a new type of challenge for a league whos talent, coaching, and experience is in dealing with the new NFL sanctioned finesse passing game. They shorten the game and keep your offense out of rhythm by giving them fewer posessions (forcing them to be flawless in execution on every posession), and keeping them off the fields for chunks of time on most posessions.

Denver is unique.

As a fan of underdogs, innovation, and creativity, this Broncos team is a lot of fun.

MacGruder
11-29-2011, 06:53 AM
Tebow's ability to make the run game unstoppable combined with the defenses ability to punish the QB from Von and Doom is a devastating combination.

Tebow making the run game so dominant allows the defense to rest a lot. So when they do get on the field they are well rested to attack the opposing QB. Tebow giving the D rest is also very beneficial because the Broncos best players on D are older. So it's a very complementary dynamic there.

Elway 4 Life
11-29-2011, 08:17 AM
Just imagine how good this D will be when they start getting 2-3 TD leads. VonDoom pinning there ears back and destroying QB's. I love this team. This young offense is only gonna get better. It's gonna be fun to be a Broncos fan again for years to come.

AlphaSeirra
11-29-2011, 08:27 AM
i read the defense likes his juggernaut style of play, he plays offense like a defender. people will try all day
to discredit his mark on the team, but you cant deny his impact and if you do you are being dense. i dont see why
its so hard to see that denver went from an average defense and running game to a TOP defense and running
game as soon as he entered.

the broncos are a tough team that i dont think many teams WANT to play, especially with vondoom being the
bookends we all hoped they would.

What they are doing now, with what they have on roster, is GREAT!

But to win championships, they need some more pieces to the puzzle imo.

The 'New and Improved' -- 'Orange Crush' is now being formed.

IF there was some way to add both;
WR Justin Blackmon OkSt and the Bama RB Trent Richardson to the offense,
then it would be an all out Bronco Stampede next season. :notworthy

Sneak in former Gator, current S.Ala CB Janoris Jenkins,
while adding quality/depth to the OL & DL,
>>> 'And They're Off'!

What - Where - When - Why - How

Tebow just needs some 'quality time' to work with his receivers, which the Broncos have never given him.
Plus they traded away both Gaffney and Lloyd before starting Tebow this season. (WTF were they thinkin')
They 1st cut his legs (arms) out from under him, and then whine about his 3rd downs and Comp%. :ouwknow:

At UF, Tim threw for 67% with an SEC Record Career 170.79 PER
Why?
Because he had guys that were well trained by Gator coaches and they worked hard to win NC's,
before moving on to play in the NFL:

Bengals WR Andre Caldwell,
Raiders WR Louis Murphy,
Vikings WR/RB Percy Harvin,
Eagles WR Riley Cooper,
Bills WR David Nelson,
Pats TE Aaron Hernandez

And he was standing behind the Pouncey twins and Marcus Gilbert on his OL (among others).

There's nothing wrong with Tebow as the QB, that some quality Bronco help won't fix.
As for can Tim improve, that's just STU-PID,
EVERY PLAYER can improve if they work hard enough.
:welcome: Von Miller said that he's NEVER seen ANYBODY that worked as hard as Tebow does,,, everyday.

Good Days are a-comin' for the Broncos.... :thanku:

vonqkilla
11-29-2011, 08:57 AM
THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS THAT CARRIES THE BALL HERE.

Am I gay for Tebow because I set that clip as my ring tone?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2011, 08:59 AM
A 30-year old RB and a QB who can't throw.

Foundation of future championships is set.

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 09:02 AM
Best thing about McGahee in this situation is where he comes from. He's seen a team have a lot of success winning black and blue ugly... He lived it for quite a few years in Baltimore.

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 09:14 AM
It is a fact, John Elway is a proven cancer in the locker room, his wedge of doubt in Tebow is a contagion that has got to be removed before this team implodes.

McGahee needs to STFU, he had much better stats the first 5 games than the last 6 yet the team still wound up going 1-4, and they had Brandon lloyd as a passing threat to boot.

77 yards per game first 5 games with 384 yards with 1 TD

65 yards per game last 6 games with 391 yards with 2 TD's

McGahee turned the ball over twice in his last 6 games and zero times in his first 5 games.

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 09:19 AM
It is a fact, John Elway is a proven cancer in the locker room, his wedge of doubt in Tebow is a contagion that has got to be removed before this team implodes.

McGahee needs to STFU, he had much better stats the first 5 games than the last 6 yet the team still wound up going 1-4, and they had Brandon lloyd as a passing threat to boot.

77 yards per game first 5 games with 384 yards with 1 TD

65 yards per game last 6 games with 391 yards with 2 TD's

McGahee turned the ball over twice in his last 6 games and zero times in his first 5 games.

McGahee didn't play in one of those 6 games, and wasn't 100% in the next. But just counting the games he played, his YPG is higher in his last 5 than the first 5, with that extra TD.

Eldorado
11-29-2011, 09:19 AM
It is a fact, John Elway is a proven cancer in the locker room, his wedge of doubt in Tebow is a contagion that has got to be removed before this team implodes.

McGahee needs to STFU, he had much better stats the first 5 games than the last 6 yet the team still wound up going 1-4, and they had Brandon lloyd as a passing threat to boot.

77 yards per game first 5 games with 384 yards with 1 TD

65 yards per game last 6 games with 391 yards with 2 TD's

McGahee turned the ball over twice in his last 6 games and zero times in his first 5 games.

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BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 09:27 AM
Plus he only had 4 carries in the Chiefs game before he got hurt. Which basically means you could only count 4 of those 6 games.

Which would mean he's blowing his first 5 games out of the water.

Dagmar
11-29-2011, 09:31 AM
It is a fact, John Elway is a proven cancer in the locker room, his wedge of doubt in Tebow is a contagion that has got to be removed before this team implodes.

McGahee needs to STFU, he had much better stats the first 5 games than the last 6 yet the team still wound up going 1-4, and they had Brandon lloyd as a passing threat to boot.

77 yards per game first 5 games with 384 yards with 1 TD

65 yards per game last 6 games with 391 yards with 2 TD's

McGahee turned the ball over twice in his last 6 games and zero times in his first 5 games.
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Rohirrim
11-29-2011, 09:31 AM
It is a fact, John Elway is a proven cancer in the locker room, his wedge of doubt in Tebow is a contagion that has got to be removed before this team implodes.

McGahee needs to STFU, he had much better stats the first 5 games than the last 6 yet the team still wound up going 1-4, and they had Brandon lloyd as a passing threat to boot.

77 yards per game first 5 games with 384 yards with 1 TD

65 yards per game last 6 games with 391 yards with 2 TD's

McGahee turned the ball over twice in his last 6 games and zero times in his first 5 games.

Coming to the Mane used to be like hitting a six iron sweet, watching a nice, arching draw to a raised green, knowing you had stuck the pin, pulling the putter out of the bag as you walk up the hill...

but with you Teboners infesting this site, it's like getting to the green and seeing it all covered with goose ****.

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 09:43 AM
McGahee didn't play in one of those 6 games, and wasn't 100% in the next. But just counting the games he played, his YPG is higher in his last 5 than the first 5, with that extra TD.

It is what it is... I am so sick of all the attempts to sweep the revelation of Tebows significants to the winning cycle we are in, under the rug.

I don't want to hear "MEgahee" when a guy only averages 37 yards in 3 of the 5 wins.

Tebow has 5 times the TD's and more rushing yards than McGahee the past 6 games.

But for some reason McGahee is the one who is recognized as the leader of the team, despite the fact he was not even here last year? despite the fact when he had the biggest impact on the team this season they went 1-4. Leader? Really?

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 09:45 AM
Coming to the Mane used to be like hitting a six iron sweet, watching a nice, arching draw to a raised green, knowing you had stuck the pin, pulling the putter out of the bag as you walk up the hill...

but with you Teboners infesting this site, it's like getting to the green and seeing it all covered with goose ****.

Heh. Always great to see old-timers idealize the good ol' days.

At some point you just have to smile and say "Sure it was, Grandpa. Sure it was." :)

Eldorado
11-29-2011, 09:49 AM
It is what it is... I am so sick of all the attempts to sweep the revelation of Tebows significants to the winning cycle we are in, under the rug.

I don't want to hear "MEgahee" when a guy only averages 37 yards in 3 of the 5 wins.

Tebow has 5 times the TD's and more rushing yards than McGahee the past 6 games.

But for some reason McGahee is the one who is recognized as the leader of the team, despite the fact he was not even here last year? despite the fact when he had the biggest impact on the team this season they went 1-4. Leader? Really?

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BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 09:49 AM
It is what it is... I am so sick of all the attempts to sweep the revelation of Tebows significants to the winning cycle we are in, under the rug.

I don't want to hear "MEgahee" when a guy only averages 37 yards in 3 of the 5 wins.

Tebow has 5 times the TD's and more rushing yards than McGahee the past 6 games.

But for some reason McGahee is the one who is recognized as the leader of the team, despite the fact he was not even here last year? despite the fact when he had the biggest impact on the team this season they went 1-4. Leader? Really?

I think you're reading waaaaay to much into this. McGahee's a long-time all pro who came from a winning culture and looks to have brought some of that with him. He got the second most votes for captain before the season even started, which is why he became captain when TEKO left.

He obviously commands respect in the locker room, and he deserves credit for helping this team become a team.

AlphaSeirra
11-29-2011, 10:01 AM
Heh. Always great to see old-timers idealize the good ol' days.

At some point you just have to smile and say "Sure it was, Grandpa. Sure it was." :)


^THIS IN SPADES ^

(and I'm actually a football old-timer myself) :welcome:

Rohirrim
11-29-2011, 10:11 AM
Heh. Always great to see old-timers idealize the good ol' days.

At some point you just have to smile and say "Sure it was, Grandpa. Sure it was." :)

Like I said, goose ****. Those "good old days" (prior to the Teboner troll infestation) were only a year ago. But there's still hope the franchise will trade Tebow at the end of this season and we can go back to being a football board, instead of some drama club out of Glee, which is what you little darlings bring to the table. ;D

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 10:18 AM
^THIS IN SPADES ^

(and I'm actually a football old-timer myself) :welcome:

As I said once before, I've been a fan for 25 years or so (since I was a kid) I'm not sure what about this season made me start wanting to post here. I've thought about that some. I think it might've had to do with the ugly Tebow media storm this summer. I'm kinda one of those guys where everyone in town knows I'm a Bronco fan, so I'm used to putting up with a lot of crap. Which is what it's all about really. :)

Anyway, this year I got to hear the"4th string quarterback" crap from every football-minded person I knew who just got spoonfed all their garbage from ESPN (or Yahoo, etc)

It was a real eye-opener for me. The Broncos never got much national media attention so I never noticed as much before, but the national sports media is really filled with a lot of empty headed jackasses who only repeat the same crap the guy next to them said. Listening to them, it became obvious they didn't really know much about the Broncos. Didn't really watch them play. But they pontificated as if they were in the locker room taking notes every week.

So I guess I got drawn into discussing this stuff with Broncos fans, who, agree or disagree..... actually flipping know the Broncos. Who actually follow them.

So long story short, you can't assume much by people's OM join date, other than something might've motivated a fan to reach out. Or I'm sure some of them were brought in by Tebow. And to that, I say great. As others have said, if it weren't for John Elway, I'm not sure I'd be a Broncos fan today.

lolcopter
11-29-2011, 10:21 AM
Like I said, goose ****. Those "good old days" (prior to the Teboner troll infestation) were only a year ago.

Think about that for a second




Maybe just ignore the tebowners?

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 10:27 AM
I think you're reading waaaaay to much into this. McGahee's a long-time all pro who came from a winning culture and looks to have brought some of that with him. He got the second most votes for captain before the season even started, which is why he became captain when TEKO left.

He obviously commands respect in the locker room, and he deserves credit for helping this team become a team.


Here is a news flash for ya. McGahee has 3 TD's this season.

John Elway and John Fox are doing everything in their power to divide this fan base and locker room.

Their relentless effort to stunt the growth of Tebows passing game until they need to exploit it to get them out of a deficit, and then shut it down again and again afterwards so as to make it appear Tebows passing game and presence has nothing to do with the winning cycle the team has been in since his arrival is the issue here. Don't shoot the mesenger, it is what it is.

Tebow has had only one game this season without a passing TD, he had the game winning rushing TD in that game.

Now when you consider the Broncos have won by just a TD or less in 4 out of the 5 games, and how Tebow had 100 yards rushing, along with two passing TD's in the game where we won by more than a TD, well it pretty much establishes the revelation and emphasis of Tebows impact on the wins, it is a huge impact; especially considering how he has thrown just one INT in 143 passing attempts.

Watching Fox use the defensive production as a mechanism to determine whether Tebow passes it or not, and

To see Tebow lead the team to victory after victory despite Fox using the defenses production as a breaking mechanism for Tebows passing game. Shows that Tebow can win, if only asked to do so with a cycling on and off passing scheme. 8 passing attempts when we are ahead, to 116 when we are behind speaks volumes to the effort Fox has been waged in to use the defense s production to determine whether or not Tebow passes it, so as to keep the glory of tebow from overshadowing the defense and the rushng offense.

Opponents have actually outscored the the Broncos in the past 6 games.

The actual total score of the Broncos verses opponents the past 6 games is 116-120. Yet despite the defense having allowed more points than the offense actually scored the team is still 5-1~!! Now isn't that an interesting stat. So much for the notion of the defense being head and shoulders above the offense the past 6 games, despite the breaks put on Tebows passing game as a result of their production, or lack ther of.

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 10:32 AM
Like I said, goose ****. Those "good old days" (prior to the Teboner troll infestation) were only a year ago. But there's still hope the franchise will trade Tebow at the end of this season and we can go back to being a football board, instead of some drama club out of Glee, which is what you little darlings bring to the table. ;D

Really? No McD flame wars? Nobody calling for Teebs after 3 and 11?

No bitching about the FO?

I find that hard to believe. :)

TonyR
11-29-2011, 10:35 AM
If we were losing instead of winning would posters like Broncbow be even more annoying or would they just not exist?

lolcopter
11-29-2011, 10:38 AM
If we were losing instead of winning would posters like Broncbow be even more annoying or would they just not exist?

Probably more annoying unless tebow starts turning the ball over like orton

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 10:40 AM
Broncobow, my thinking is they may be going a bit overboard keeping Tim under wraps. I'd love to see them open it up more in the early going. But if they can find a way to play the rookie and still win games, I'm all in. That's a rare thing.

Like I said before, my hope was for Tebow to get a normal offseason to work into a full offense. At first I was really worried he'd never get that chance. (in Denver) But the more we win, the more likely Timmy will get that chance.

And for our patience, we get to watch a team win tough football games. Awesome when you think about it. 6 wins was some people's optimistic win total for our whole season. Even hearing the word 'playoffs' is exciting. But we need to keep some perspective on this year. If the team can do that, I think there are great times ahead.

AlphaSeirra
11-29-2011, 10:49 AM
A 30-year old RB and a QB who can't throw.
Foundation of future championships is set.



QB Can't throw huh Bob? (btw, did you used to work for Sadam?) :wiggle:

Tebow:
2 Time SEC & BCS NC.
First Soph Heisman in NCAA History.
Only player to ever break the mythical 20/20 barrier, Passing/Rushing TD's with (P32 - R23).
Career 9,285 yds, 88 TD's to just 16 Ints against 40 bowl qualified teams out of 55 opponents in his 4 seasons.
Against that level of competition, he set an SEC All Time Career Pass Efficiency Rating at 170.79.
Since Tim's arrival at UF in 06, the SEC has won 5 Consecutive BCS-NC's with a likely 6th on the way in 2011.

Tim's Last Game as a Gator was in the Sugar Bowl against #3 Ranked 12-0 Big East Champ Cincy.

Tim Set Sugar Bowl and BCS Bowl Records with:
~ 533 yards (482 pass/51 rush) of total offense,
~ passing yards (482) and
~ completion percentage (.886), 31 of 35.
(not to bad for a guy with a weak inaccurate arm that can't read a defense) :thumbsup:

Also tallied a Sugar Bowl record for Total Completions (31),
tied a previously set mark for TD's responsible for (three pass/one rush)
and his 80-yard TD pass to WR Riley Cooper was the 2nd longest pass in Sugar Bowl history.

Tim also had a 'Best in the Nation’ streak of 30-straight games with at least 1 passing TD.
He finished his UF/SEC career with 145 Total TD's, breaking the old SEC Career record by about 20 TD's.

So, tell me, what have the Broncos done to so destroy Tim's passing game abilities?

PS

But wait, maybe Tim's still alright, even without much help from the FO/HBC.

After Just 9 starts:
Passing - 13 TD's with just 4 Ints, PER 81.1
Rushing - 9 TD's with just 1 LPF.
Total 22 TD's with just 5 Turnovers.

Now, go compare those crappy Tebow stats to Saint John's first 9 starts as a Bronco and see what you get.
(circkets)

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 10:55 AM
I do turn into a monster sometimes, and I apologize to this forum for coming off as a troll. I am just so sick of hearing

"Its not Tim Tebow"

"It's not Tim Tebow"

Especially from the so-called leader of a team that went 1-4 without Tim Tebow, so-called leader who has only 3 TD's to go with his two lost fumbles this season.

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BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 11:07 AM
I do turn into a monster sometimes, and I apologize to this forum for coming off as a troll. I am just so sick of hearing

"Its not Tim Tebow"

"It's not Tim Tebow"

Especially from the so-called leader of a team that went 1-4 without Tim Tebow, so-called leader who has only 3 TD's to go with his two lost fumbles this season.



I don't think Willis is saying it's 'Not Tebow' He's saying it's the whole team. And it absolutely is. Tebow is putting the defense in a good position to play better. But they are still playing a lot better, and deserve tons of credit.

I think Willis is just venting the frustration that the Tebow media frenzy glosses that over, which it does. I don't think he blames Tebow. Tim really has no control over it.

ScottXray
11-29-2011, 11:07 AM
Here is a news flash for ya. McGahee has 3 TD's this season.

John Elway and John Fox are doing everything in their power to divide this fan base and locker room. Their relentless effort to stunt the growth of Tebows passing game until they need to exploit it to get them out of a deficit, and then shut it down again and again afterwards so as to make it appear Tebows passing game and presence has nothing to do with the winning cycle the team has been in since his arrival is the issue here. Don't shoot the mesenger, it is what it is.

Tebow has had only one game this season without a passing TD, he had the game winning rushing TD in that game.

Now when you consider the Broncos have won by just a TD or less in 4 out of the 5 games, and how Tebow had 100 yards rushing, along with two passing TD's in the game where we won by more than a TD, well it pretty much establishes the revelation and emphasis of Tebows impact on the wins, it is a huge impact; especially considering how he has thrown just one INT in 143 passing attempts.

Watching Fox use the defensive production as a mechanism to determine whether Tebow passes it or not, and

To see Tebow lead the team to victory after victory despite Fox using the defenses production as a breaking mechanism for Tebows passing game. Shows that Tebow can win, if only asked to do so with a cycling on and off passing scheme. 8 passing attempts when we are ahead, to 116 when we are behind speaks volumes to the effort Fox has been waged in to use the defense s production to determine whether or not Tebow passes it, so as to keep the glory of tebow from overshadowing the defense and the rushng offense.

Opponents have actually outscored the the Broncos in the past 6 games.

The actual total score of the Broncos verses opponents the past 6 games is 116-120. Yet despite the defense having allowed more points than the offense actually scored the team is still 5-1~!! Now isn't that an interesting stat. So much for the notion of the defense being head and shoulders above the offense the past 6 games, despite the breaks put on Tebows passing game as a result of their production, or lack ther of.

I'm a Tebow supporter and you have just confirmed a level of stupidity and hate that rivals some of the worst that has been seen on this board.

The Defense is part of the reason we have won lately and the fact that they have made plays to keep us in the game time and again over the whole season ( exceptions are the GB and Detroit games) is undenaible. The Team is winning as a Team, with ALL phases contributing.

Tebow is only part of that. The coaches are bringing him along slowly, and sometimes seem to be calling plays that are not conducive to stats. But TT is dutifully doing exactly what they are asking him to do, and not being a clown by criticising the play calls or direction of the team. Wins are the only stat that matters, and while it is not pretty sometimes it is immesely satisfying to get the win anyway.

and one side note....to Ro...your post comes close to being as stupid and is also full of hate. If you don't like the goose **** that comes with geese on a golf course then stick to indoor mini golf.

Rohirrim
11-29-2011, 11:29 AM
and one side note....to Ro...your post comes close to being as stupid and is also full of hate. If you don't like the goose **** that comes with geese on a golf course then stick to indoor mini golf.

Hmmm. I thought it was an excellent metaphor. Some people just don't recognize talent when they see it. 4321~

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 11:34 AM
The Defense is part of the reason we have won lately.

Its a team sport I get it.

But depsite having lost his No.1 receiver just prior to taking over a team with a RB unit and defense that had a 1-4 start, Tebow still managed to lead said team to 5-1.

A daunting task to say the least, especially in light of having his head coach and Ceaser of the team sow their doubts, despite Tebow having dispelled the initial fears they possessed regarding Tebow not giving this team its best chance of winning.

Watching the impact of John Elway and John Foxes apologetic moonwalk away from the cancerous antics that are aiming to drive the hammer of doubt on this fan base and locker room, is certainly not what this franchise ought to be condoning.

Watching Elway aim to write off Tebows impact, by not even mentioning the the role passing had in the victories up till this point, speaks volumes in regards to the agenda aimed to remove the impact of Tebows role in our victorious 5-1 rally from our 1-4 start with out him.

Thanks for playing.

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2011, 11:39 AM
Watching Elway aim to write off Tebows impact, by not even mentioning the the role passing had in the victories up till this point, speaks volumes in regards to the agenda aimed to remove the impact of Tebows role in our victorious 5-1 rally from our 1-4 start with out him.

Thanks for playing.

Elway took the right tone this week, and essentially apologized for not realizing what impact his prior comments would have.

I'm willing to write this stuff off as a rookie mistake unless John continues doing things to show me otherwise. Hopefully everyone can move forward.

Rohirrim
11-29-2011, 11:41 AM
Elway took the right tone this week, and essentially apologized for not realizing what impact his prior comments would have.

I'm willing to write this stuff off as a rookie mistake unless John continues doing things to show me otherwise. Hopefully everyone can move forward.

I'm sure John appreciates that.

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 11:49 AM
I can just see him now reveling in applaus over your support~!!Ha!

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3577/elwayunhappy.png

Smiling Assassin27
11-29-2011, 12:00 PM
Me and you, one-five...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/736/545/Mike-Vanderjagt-and-Peyton-Manning_display_image.jpg?1298167607

RaiderH8r
11-29-2011, 12:05 PM
I do turn into a monster sometimes, and I apologize to this forum for coming off as a troll. I am just so sick of hearing

"Its not Tim Tebow"

"It's not Tim Tebow"

Especially from the so-called leader of a team that went 1-4 without Tim Tebow, so-called leader who has only 3 TD's to go with his two lost fumbles this season.

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First, biggest Tebow fan you're gonna find on this site. Right here. You're looking at him.

McGahee is all stud. The guy eats rocks and craps gunpowder. He had every reason, and nobody would have said a thing if he had so chosen, to sit another game or two with his broken hand. He didn't. McG nutted up and played like a man. He runs hard and hits the hole well. He is perfect for Tebow. He is great for this club. Don't talk smack about McG. The guy has come through for this team and his QB on more times than I can count. Calm yourself. Count to ten. It is going to be players, like McGahee, that make Tebow work as a QB and vice versa. It's a symbiotic relationship. We really are using the run to set up...well the run....but at some point we pass. Doesn't matter. You've seen (or maybe you haven't. I don't even know if you're a Broncos fan. Hell, you could be some Chiefsplanet clown) but this team is tremendously better with McG toting the rock.

ScottXray
11-29-2011, 12:05 PM
Its a team sport I get it.

But depsite having lost his No.1 receiver just prior to taking over a team with a RB unit and defense that had a 1-4 start, Tebow still managed to lead said team to 5-1.

A daunting task to say the least, especially in light of having his head coach and Ceaser of the team sow their doubts, despite Tebow having dispelled the initial fears they possessed regarding Tebow not giving this team its best chance of winning.

Watching the impact of John Elway and John Foxes apologetic moonwalk away from the cancerous antics that are aiming to drive the hammer of doubt on this fan base and locker room, is certainly not what this franchise ought to be condoning.

Watching Elway aim to write off Tebows impact, by not even mentioning the the role passing had in the victories up till this point, speaks volumes in regards to the agenda aimed to remove the impact of Tebows role in our victorious 5-1 rally from our 1-4 start with out him.

Thanks for playing.

I critcised Elway for those comments....but I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory that it is intended to undermine Tebow. More of a stupid error in diction while speaking to the nut hugging media. And yes it is obvious that Elway was not all in on TT, but it is becoming irrelevant, and he is starting to realise that TT is getting better every week. He gets just a little better every game.
The more we win the less chance there is for Tebow to be thrown under the bus by anyone. If we make the playoffs there is ZERO chance of TT being traded. ( Sorry Ro, but you can always start your own message board, I guess) or cast off. While Elway may still draft a QB at some point it won't be in the top half of the draft, and TT will be starting next year.

I don't know if TT can become a good pocket type drop back QB....but not giving him the chance to would be unwise...and if he CAN do it we have our QB on the roster, and a weapon like nothing else the NFL has seen for 50 years.

vancejohnson82
11-30-2011, 01:27 AM
It is what it is... I am so sick of all the attempts to sweep the revelation of Tebows significants to the winning cycle we are in, under the rug.

I don't want to hear "MEgahee" when a guy only averages 37 yards in 3 of the 5 wins.

Tebow has 5 times the TD's and more rushing yards than McGahee the past 6 games.

But for some reason McGahee is the one who is recognized as the leader of the team, despite the fact he was not even here last year? despite the fact when he had the biggest impact on the team this season they went 1-4. Leader? Really?

haha....unreal

fix your "Adopt a Bronco" spelling jerk

extralife
11-30-2011, 01:37 AM
did someone really just come into this thread about McGahee winning a game and then talking up the team and the QB solely to attack McGahee because his ability is making it so that the credit for the Broncos performance is going from 90% Tebow to 85% Tebow? Is this happening? can this guy just be banned? like, yesterday? because this is pretty stunning.

broncosteven
11-30-2011, 01:54 AM
A 30-year old RB and a QB who can't throw.

Foundation of future championships is set.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, KFC is sifting through the NFL and waiver wire trash for a starting QB.

Good luck with Orton and Palcow. I heard Brodie Croyle tried out for duh bears. Maybe if Orton and Palcow can't make it you can call the Winless Wonder back!

That would complete the epicness of the 2011 KFC Chefs!

txtebow
11-30-2011, 07:10 AM
I love the winning atmosphere that this team has fostered. I cannot wait to see us get a REAL MLB, a REAL coverage safety and another big/fast RB to complement McGahee. Add in a REAL off-season program for Tebow and 2012 could be like 1996 all over again.
But for this season, it's just nice to see us making progress playoffs or not.