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bronco militia
11-28-2011, 02:34 PM
Posted: 11/28/2011 12:20:01 PM MST
Updated: 11/28/2011 01:43:20 PM MST By Lindsay H. Jones

This time, John Elway evaded all controversy.

On his weekly radio show this morning, the Broncos' boss avoided saying anything that might be construed as negative about quarterback Tim Tebow​.

Instead, Elway praised the Broncos' overall effort in Sunday's 16-13 overtime victory against the Chargers, including the Tebow-led fourth-quarter comeback. Tebow completed 9-of-18 passes (his highest completion percentage of the season), threw one touchdown and did not commit a turnover.

"It's mistake-free football, it's playing great defense and running the ball on the offensive side and really making the plays when they need to be made. I think that's what's happening," Elway said on the show on 102.3 FM. "We're not beating ourselves on the offensive side. We're playing with passion, good hard-nosed football, and tackling, catching and running, and that's kind of what it's all about it."

A week ago, Elway set off an internet firestorm after he said that he didn't know if the team's quarterback of the future is on the roster. Tebow fans flooded Elway's Twitter account with negative messages.

"I was surprised that people took it to be a negative answer. That's why I was taken aback because it wasn't meant to be a strike at Timmy at all. It was just a reality check of where we were at the time. It wasn't a negative. I tried to follow it up with all the positives and point out things that we need to get better at," Elway said. "I was disappointed. Obviously I need to do a better job of communicating that message, because the way it was taken, it was taken more negatively than I meant it to be. It's something I'll learn from.


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Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 02:36 PM
I guess Elway is reading the Public Relations 101 Tips thread after all!

"We're really making the plays when they need to be made...We're playing good hard-nosed football."

See how easy it is to get interviewed for 10 minutes and say absolutely nuttin?

Congrats, Elway! You've shown real improvement from last week as our GM! Woo hoo!

Steve Prefontaine
11-28-2011, 02:39 PM
Elway said. "I was disappointed. Obviously I need to do a better job of communicating that message, because the way it was taken, it was taken more negatively than I meant it to be. It's something I'll learn from.

I like this.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 02:41 PM
Sounds like he's retweeting.

jhns
11-28-2011, 02:43 PM
Sounds like he's retweeting.

You need to be punched in the balls.

DrFate
11-28-2011, 02:44 PM
Rep to Elway for owning up to foot-in-mouth syndrome and using the Bull Durham mentality
:thumbsup:

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 02:45 PM
You need punched in the balls.

I knocked up my wife with less action, so proceed at your own risk.

Steve Prefontaine
11-28-2011, 02:54 PM
I knocked up my wife with less action, so proceed at your own risk.
Hilarious!

"I feel pregnant."

Taco John
11-28-2011, 02:54 PM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

TotallyScrewed
11-28-2011, 02:55 PM
You need to be punched in the balls.

Aww...Did dat bad ol' puddy tat not find that commen funny? Maybe you should see a doc.

bronco militia
11-28-2011, 02:58 PM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

and there you go

Broncbow
11-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Elway said. "I was disappointed...

Now there is something he and I have in common. Being disapointed after a win. ;D

jhns
11-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Aww...Did dat bad ol' puddy tat not find that commen funny? Maybe you should see a doc.

I thought it was funny. You can't hit people if you think they are funny?

Pony Boy
11-28-2011, 03:04 PM
Posted: 11/28/2011 12:20:01 PM MST
Updated: 11/28/2011 01:43:20 PM MST By Lindsay H. Jones

"It's mistake-free football, it's playing great defense and running the ball on the offensive side and really making the plays when they need to be made. I think that's what's happening," Elway said on the show on 102.3 FM. "We're not beating ourselves on the offensive side. We're playing with passion, good hard-nosed football, and tackling, catching and running, and that's kind of what it's all about it."

I guess dropping passes doesn't count ?

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 03:07 PM
Nobody said the learning curve would be easy

TotallyScrewed
11-28-2011, 03:20 PM
I thought it was funny. You can't hit people if you think they are funny?

Only if you do the Pie-in-the-face, dick-punch and biatch-slap...on video so we can all see it.

Popps
11-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Posted: 11/28/2011 12:20:01 PM MST
Updated: 11/28/2011 01:43:20 PM MST By Lindsay H. Jones


"I was surprised that people took it to be a negative answer. That's why I was taken aback because it wasn't meant to be a strike at Timmy at all. It was just a reality check of where we were at the time. It wasn't a negative. I tried to follow it up with all the positives and point out things that we need to get better at," Elway said. "I was disappointed. Obviously I need to do a better job of communicating that message, because the way it was taken, it was taken more negatively than I meant it to be. It's something I'll learn from.[/url]
http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

Don't worry, John. Tim isn't a pussy like the fans who were offended by that simple, rational comment. I'm sure he agreed with you, and the players are the ones to worry about.

OBF1
11-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Only if you do the Pie-in-the-face, dick-punch and biatch-slap...on video so we can all see it.

So Tosh of you to post.

DrFate
11-28-2011, 03:39 PM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

:oyvey:

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 03:39 PM
Don't worry, John. Tim isn't a p***Y like the fans who were offended by that simple, rational comment. I'm sure he agreed with you, and the players are the ones to worry about.

John admitted he made a mistake.

Its over. Move on.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 03:42 PM
"I was disappointed. Obviously I need to do a better job of communicating that message, because the way it was taken, it was taken more negatively than I meant it to be. It's something I'll learn from.

This is all I need to hear. Elway's heart is in the right place. He may not decide that Tebow is the future, but I think he's genuinely not trying to put a negative message out or be a distraction. And that kind of quote shows his Elways ego is not all mixed up in this. Elway knows he's still the Hall of Famer, and doesn't have to be small-minded about admitting mistakes or anything like that.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 03:42 PM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

Here's a better suggestion: speak like people are going to hear your words.

Another: if something is unclear or uncertain, defer to the wisest choice.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 03:45 PM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

The sad truth.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 03:46 PM
Now that's the way to handle it Elway. I hope he gets that the problem wasn't so much what he said as the sense that saying it in the middle of a winning streak just felt off. But either way it's good to see that he at least realizes that the way he worded things just didn't come across well. And no this isn't simply about "crazy" people reading into it. He messed up by using so much negative language and so little positive about a guy only eight starts into his career. You just don't do that to a young QB. Not in public. Not to the media.

So glad to see him address it, and recognize he messed up.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 03:47 PM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

Like Shannon Sharpe, who used the remarks as a launching point to question Tebow about whether he has the support of the FO, or any number of journalists who wrote about the same topic.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 03:50 PM
The sad truth.

The sad truth is that some of you people think it's okay for high ranking football exec to critique every little flaw of a developing player on his team to the media, and to say things like "that's not good enough to win championships".

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 03:52 PM
Like Shannon Sharpe, who used the remarks as a launching point to question Tebow about whether he has the support of the FO, or any number of journalists who wrote about the same topic.

That's the real thrust of the matter. Elway gave the vultures fuel for their Tebow hunt, and that simply wasn't cool.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Like Shannon Sharpe, who used the remarks as a launching point to question Tebow about whether he has the support of the FO, or any number of journalists who wrote about the same topic.

Exactly.

You can't give the vultures the carcass that they're looking for.

John kept giving it up.

DrFate
11-28-2011, 03:55 PM
The sad truth is that some of you people think it's okay for high ranking football exec to critique every

Chalk it up to hero worship

Elway was the best QB in history, so OBVIOUSLY he'll make a great executive!!

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 03:55 PM
The sad truth is that some of you people think it's okay for high ranking football exec to critique every little flaw of a developing player on his team to the media, and to say things like "that's not good enough to win championships".

"When you look at our third-down numbers, those have to improve, and that's the bottom line," Elway said on his radio show. "... We can't go 3 of 13 and win a world championship."

I would hardly call that critiquing "...every little flaw." And only a drama queen would think it is.

HAT
11-28-2011, 04:01 PM
The sad truth is that some of you people think it's okay for high ranking football exec to critique every little flaw of a developing player on his team to the media, and to say things like "that's not good enough to win championships".

It's more than okay....It's leading to wins.

orinjkrush
11-28-2011, 04:03 PM
good on John. keep your eyes on the goal: bringing the Broncos back to respectability in every way.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 04:04 PM
"When you look at our third-down numbers, those have to improve, and that's the bottom line," Elway said on his radio show. "... We can't go 3 of 13 and win a world championship."

I would hardly call that critiquing "...every little flaw." And only a drama queen would think it is.

There's a reason why the media keep pressing this issue. Elway keeps giving them what they're looking for to drive controversy.

Elway has finally wised up. John is learning on the job too. We'll let him learn from his mistakes just like we'll let Tebow do the same.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 04:05 PM
Controversy sells jerseys too. I'm just sayin'...

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 04:08 PM
#1 rule of PR spin: Don't answer the question directly. Obfuscate! Just say: "Each week, we're working on the things that we need to work on. Obviously, everyone on the team wants to get better."

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 04:09 PM
"When you look at our third-down numbers, those have to improve, and that's the bottom line," Elway said on his radio show. "... We can't go 3 of 13 and win a world championship."

I would hardly call that critiquing "...every little flaw." And only a drama queen would think it is.

Ah yes the 3 of 13 quote where he seemed to actually blame Tebow for McCoy and Fox's love for running on 3rd and long as well as his struggles in the passing game. Yes, you're right. That was great thing to say to the media. ::)

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 04:10 PM
Controversy sells jerseys too. I'm just sayin'...

Maybe, but #15 Tebow jerseys were flying off the shelves well before Elway started giving his unvarnished summaries of Tebow's weaknesses.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 04:11 PM
There's a reason why the media keep pressing this issue. Elway keeps giving them what they're looking for to drive controversy.

Elway has finally wised up. John is learning on the job too. We'll let him learn from his mistakes just like we'll let Tebow do the same.

And just like the "Teboners" are accused of not seeing anything wrong with Tebow's game, there are some that simply refuse to see that Elway made a mistake. He sees it. Yet they still don't.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 04:13 PM
Ah yes the 3 of 13 quote where he seemed to actually blame Tebow for McCoy and Fox's love for running on 3rd and long as well as his struggles in the passing game. Yes, you're right. That was great thing to say to the media. ::)

Well, given that they can't use the middle of the field in the passing game due to Tebow's inability to throw a timing curl, dig or comeback route, I guess running on 3rd and long becomes one of your few options.

Now see? That would be a "critique of every little flaw." John was keeping it nice and general. I thought it was very polite of him.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 04:14 PM
And just like the "Teboners" are accused of not seeing anything wrong with Tebow's game, there are some that simply refuse to see that Elway made a mistake. He sees it. Yet they still don't.

He just wants you to stop with the bat **** crazy tweets, aga.

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 04:15 PM
And I'll say this: when Elway left the box and showed up on the sidelines @ the end of the game, he looked genuinely happy when Tebow & McGahee had their big runs and Prater kicked the game-winning FG.

I still think he REALLY wants to draft a QB, but Tebow is going to keep fighting for the starting role.

errand
11-28-2011, 04:15 PM
And all is right in Tebow world......John said "Timmy good"

Now john doesn't suck anymore.....

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 04:18 PM
Well, given that they can't use the middle of the field in the passing game due to Tebow's inability to throw a timing curl, dig or comeback route, I guess running on 3rd and long becomes one of your few options.

Now see? That would be a "critique of every little flaw." John was keeping it nice and general. I thought it was very polite of him.

No I see a critique that is wrong. But then again most of what you write regarding Tebow is wrong. I suppose he's also to blame for all the drops by his receivers as well, yes?

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 04:19 PM
And all is right in Tebow world......John said "Timmy good"

Now john doesn't suck anymore.....

But you still do. As a poster and a figment of my imagination.

errand
11-28-2011, 04:20 PM
The sad truth is that some of you people think it's okay for high ranking football exec to critique every little flaw of a developing player on his team to the media, and to say things like "that's not good enough to win championships".

The sad truth is it's probably not good enough to win championships....

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 04:21 PM
And I'll say this: when Elway left the box and showed up on the sidelines @ the end of the game, he looked genuinely happy when Tebow & McGahee had their big runs and Prater kicked the game-winning FG.

I still think he REALLY wants to draft a QB, but Tebow is going to keep fighting for the starting role.

They say that Tebow wins pretty much everyone over eventually. Maybe even the Duke isn't immune.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 04:21 PM
No I see a critique that is wrong. But then again most of what you write regarding Tebow is wrong. I suppose he's also to blame for all the drops by his receivers as well, yes?

Nope. Who brought that up? Ahh, I see. Changing the subject. Okay.

HAT
11-28-2011, 04:21 PM
There's not a soul on this board who knows what goes on behind close doors at Dove Valley. For all we know EFT could've had a sit down before the Raider game that went something like.....

"Alright Tim, don't worry about the Detroit game...We're fully behind you and are going all in with an offense that can help you succeed. It might look ultra conservative at times but the D is starting to gel & we know the other 52 will go to war for you. It's going to be controversial & probably start a media firestorm. You're used to that though, keep using it as fuel for your fire to succeed.....No matter what, you're our guy for the remainder of the season. Don't worry about what goes on in the media, let us deal with that. Just focus on football and we'll see where this takes us"

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 04:22 PM
There's not a soul on this board who knows what goes on behind close doors at Dove Valley. For all we know EFT could've had a sit down before the Raider game that went something like.....

"Alright Tim, don't worry about the Detroit game...We're fully behind you and are going all in with an offense that can help you succeed. It might look ultra conservative at times but the D is starting to gel & we know the other 52 will go to war for you. It's going to be controversial & probably start a media firestorm. Your used to that though, keep using it as fuel for your fire to succeed.....No matter what, you're our guy for the remainder of the season. Don't worry about what goes on in the media, let us deal with that. Just focus on football and we'll see where this takes us"

This is true.

errand
11-28-2011, 04:23 PM
But you still do. As a poster and a figment of my imagination.

Hey guys we need not look any farther to find Tim's biggest flaw..... he attracts nut jobs like this idiot

Broncbow
11-28-2011, 04:28 PM
"It's mistake-free football, it's playing great defense and running the ball on the offensive side and really making the plays when they need to be made. I think that's what's happening," Elway said on the show on 102.3 FM. "We're not beating ourselves on the offensive side. We're playing with passion, good hard-nosed football, and tackling, catching and running, and that's kind of what it's all about it."

"I was surprised that people took it to be a negative answer. That's why I was taken aback because it wasn't meant to be a strike at Timmy at all.

I guess dropping passes doesn't count ?

Yeah that whole mistake free part was laughable, how many penalties did we get?

I thought passing was what it was all about too, what is funny is how this is coming from a QB of all people. WHAT THE WHAT?

Guy claims that Tim was still not his guy, and that was not supposed to be taken as a strike? Elway striking him down from being his guy is by definition a strike. You would think the guy would have the class and decency to call Tim by his name, rather than an affeminate version of it.

Is not bad enough the entire world get 's that Elway does not want Tim, you would think ostrasizing tIM would be enough for Elway, but noooo, he has to go and disparage his name to boot?

Last week it was Fox playing his I am so sorry card for saying Tebow looked like crap and would be screwed... Now Elway pulling his apology card claiming he did not take a strike at Tebow? Does this have him coming off like Detroits Suh after he kicked a player while he was down or what? I didn't kick him, I was tryigng to gain my balance while falling over. LMAO.

All this apologizing and mistreatment reminds me of a scene from Pulp Fiction. Check out out the combination of the briefcase.

Pulp Fiction Ezekiel 25:17 Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVm_TAE24A&feature=related)

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errand
11-28-2011, 04:32 PM
I noticed he never did say that he is closer to finding his quarterback...

All he did was say that his original comments were not meant as a slap against Tim

broncobum6162
11-28-2011, 07:10 PM
Ok then............so where is Tom Jackson getting his info on the MNF pregame show that Tebow won't be around next year and that Elway is gonna get who he wants and groom him the way he wants. Sounds like he's eating the same Hoge roll like some other arse w/ all know and hate........:espnsux:

Popps
11-28-2011, 07:23 PM
John admitted he made a mistake.

Its over. Move on.

Yeaaaah, OK boss. That's exactly what that was. :thumbsup:

I'm sure behind closed doors he's just as sensitive to the oversensitive, whiny Tebow-zealot-cultists.

Or, he might be telling them to sack-up and realize that the kid has work to do as a pro.

We'll never know!

Popps
11-28-2011, 07:26 PM
Ok then............so where is Tom Jackson getting his info on the MNF pregame show that Tebow won't be around next year and that Elway is gonna get who he wants and groom him the way he wants. Sounds like he's eating the same Hoge roll like some other arse w/ all know and hate........:espnsux:

I know, man... Tom Jackson is a well-known Broncos hater.......

ozomulsion
11-28-2011, 08:12 PM
The sad truth.

Agreed

cutthemdown
11-28-2011, 08:16 PM
Ok then............so where is Tom Jackson getting his info on the MNF pregame show that Tebow won't be around next year and that Elway is gonna get who he wants and groom him the way he wants. Sounds like he's eating the same Hoge roll like some other arse w/ all know and hate........:espnsux:

If Tebow gets Broncos into the playoffs, and then Broncos just say screw Tebow, and then they don't win, I would probably stop caring so much about football and start watching curling or bowling.

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 08:18 PM
If Tebow helps take Denver to the playoffs and Elway *still* dumps him, then our VP will be making the same mistake as Ozzie Newsome & Brian Billick when they dumped Trent "Mere Game Manager" Dilfer after winning the Super Bowl in 2000.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 08:20 PM
Ok then............so where is Tom Jackson getting his info on the MNF pregame show that Tebow won't be around next year and that Elway is gonna get who he wants and groom him the way he wants. Sounds like he's eating the same Hoge roll like some other arse w/ all know and hate........:espnsux:

It's pretty obvious Elway has leaked this to quite a few people.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 08:21 PM
If Tebow helps take Denver to the playoffs and Elway *still* dumps him, then our VP will be making the same mistake as Ozzie Newsome & Brian Billick when they dumped Trent "Mere Game Manager" Dilfer after winning the Super Bowl in 2000.

More like the two teams that let Kurt Warner get away. (Especially the Rams -- they somehow convinced themselves his play was the product of their genius).

ozomulsion
11-28-2011, 08:22 PM
I know, man... Tom Jackson is a well-known Broncos hater.......

He didn't imply TJ{Tom Jackson) was a Bronco hater. What kind of response is that? I agree for the most part with what broncobum6162 said. I don't think he was saying TJ was a hater, just that he's spitting out the same crap all the haters are saying.

TJ was pretty cut and dry that Tebow was not our QBOTF, not even a maybe, or a we'll see. The best thing he said was Tebow may be a change of pace guy for our QBOTF. Did you hear what TJ said? If so, what did you think about it?

I thought it was ridiculous, as he didn't seem to recognize Tebow IS getting better as a passer.

barryr
11-28-2011, 08:28 PM
He didn't imply TJ{Tom Jackson) was a Bronco hater. What kind of response is that? I agree for the most part with what broncobum6162 said.

TJ was pretty cut and dry that Tebow was not our QBOTF, not even a maybe, or a we'll see. The best thing he said was Tebow may be a change of pace guy for our QBOTF. Did you hear what TJ said?

I think something like that is stupid and makes no sense. Elway wants to draft his franchise QB, but then take him out of the game to have Tebow at times do his thing? Why take your supposed franchise QB out of the game in a game that was undecided at least? Teams will great QB's right now would do this? If Tebow isn't their guy, then no point keeping him around to touch the ball a few times here and there.

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 08:32 PM
I think something like that is stupid and makes no sense. Elway wants to draft his franchise QB, but then take him out of the game to have Tebow at times do his thing? Why take your supposed franchise QB out of the game in a game that was undecided at least? Teams will great QB's right now would do this? If Tebow isn't their guy, then no point keeping him around to touch the ball a few times here and there.

Yeah. If they're prepared to cut Pocket Sloth in the middle of the season so he can get a chance to start (and risk having a divisional rival pick him up), then I'd expect Tebow to get the same opportunity.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 08:33 PM
I think something like that is stupid and makes no sense. Elway wants to draft his franchise QB, but then take him out of the game to have Tebow at times do his thing? Why take your supposed franchise QB out of the game in a game that was undecided at least? Teams will great QB's right now would do this? If Tebow isn't their guy, then no point keeping him around to touch the ball a few times here and there.

Basically, the plan is for Tebow Mania to undermine a series of Broncos quarterbacks over the next 15 years. Constantly rotating between "spunky touchdown scoring mascot" and "the man."

In a surprising twist, Tebow finishes out as a George Blanda style kicker.

Bronx33
11-28-2011, 08:33 PM
John is getting better at the same time tebow is ( irony )

barryr
11-28-2011, 08:35 PM
Basically, the plan is for Tebow Mania to undermine a series of Broncos quarterbacks over the next 15 years. Constantly rotating between "spunky touchdown scoring mascot" and "the man."

In a surprising twist, Tebow finishes out as a George Blanda style kicker.

If Tebow isn't the starter next season, no way can they keep him on the team. Forget the fans, it is the problem with the players who seem to rally around this guy and seeing him not getting a chance would not go well with them IMO.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 08:38 PM
John is getting better at the same time tebow is ( irony )

Tebow effect.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 08:38 PM
If Tebow isn't the starter next season, no way can they keep him on the team. Forget the fans, it is the problem with the players who seem to rally around this guy and seeing him not getting a chance would not go well with them IMO.

I think to be on the safe side, they need to get rid of the whole team and start over. It's the only way to be sure.

ozomulsion
11-28-2011, 08:46 PM
I think something like that is stupid and makes no sense. Elway wants to draft his franchise QB, but then take him out of the game to have Tebow at times do his thing? Why take your supposed franchise QB out of the game in a game that was undecided at least? Teams will great QB's right now would do this? If Tebow isn't their guy, then no point keeping him around to touch the ball a few times here and there.

Agreed. I was disappointed with some of TJ's comments tonight. Tebow being a change of pace QB while our real QBOTF is developing... LOL What TJ?

mhgaffney
11-28-2011, 09:54 PM
I guess Elway is reading the Public Relations 101 Tips thread after all!

"We're really making the plays when they need to be made...We're playing good hard-nosed football."

See how easy it is to get interviewed for 10 minutes and say absolutely nuttin?

Congrats, Elway! You've shown real improvement from last week as our GM! Woo hoo!

No -- it's just that the mountain out of a mole hill crowd must have something to whine about.

Enough aleady.

Play ball!

Bronco Yoda
11-29-2011, 08:23 AM
I don't have a problem with what he said last week, but as the top executive, John has to remember that he has to account for that plenty of crazy people will take his words to mean the most extreme things you could possibly interpret them to mean. As the top exec, rather than assume you're talking to the rational, grounded people in the fanbase, John has to speak to the crazy at all times, or get burnt.

Sad but true.

Now back to hearing nothing but air from our FO. ....and the peanut gallery rejoices. Let the band play on.

jhns
11-29-2011, 08:31 AM
Sad but true.

Now back to hearing nothing but air from our FO. ....and the peanut gallery rejoices. Let the band play on.

It was nothing but air when Orton was playing. "He is our QB. Best chance to win. If I was judged after my first game, I wouldn't have been around long(said after Ortons like 40th start).".

Tebow starts winning and he is week to week. He needs to get better at everything.

I don't have a problem with what he said as it is mostly true. It is just that he is making himself look like an idiot when he claims he is just always telling it like it is. 1-4 = unquestioned starter that gives us the best chance to win. 5-1 is week to week and hardly does anything right.

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 08:35 AM
If Tebow gets Broncos into the playoffs, and then Broncos just say screw Tebow, and then they don't win, I would probably stop caring so much about football and start watching curling or bowling.

The former Broncos quarterback who runs the teamís front office has come across as awfully reluctant to praise the current Broncos quarterback who runs the teamís offense. But John Elway says he just doesnít want to shortchange the real reason the Broncos have won five of their last six games.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/28/elway-says-broncos-win-with-great-defense-and-running-the-football

Yet Elway has no problem being incredulous in his endeavor to short change Tebow's role with his ostracizing antics while disparaging his name with the affeminate Timmy. This depite the fact that Tebow is the pivot point from which the wins have swung in this season. tsk tsk

Rohirrim
11-29-2011, 08:37 AM
Sad but true.

Now back to hearing nothing but air from our FO. ....and the peanut gallery rejoices. Let the band play on.

That's the annoying part of this. They have been giving honest assessments to the press and the fans. After this ****storm, the stuff coming out of the FO and coaching ranks is going to turn into drab, humorless, empty, Belichick-style blather. Don't tell nobody nothin'.

Bronco Yoda
11-29-2011, 09:11 AM
As much as I like Tebow. As much as I argue for him.. IMO, it's the Defense that's really behind our winning.

Of course Tebow is the Force Multiplier in this whole equation. Not the entire equation in and of itself.

IMO, Elway is smart by not putting Tebow on a pedestal. The last thing you want is to have jealousy, envy & spite to creep into a young forming locker room. Tebow is already getting all the press already. Do we really need the FO joining in? Me thinks not.

I'm sure that Elway is expressing his respect for Tebows development enough in private. Thats all that really matters.

alkemical
11-29-2011, 09:21 AM
The Pens seem to deal fine with Crosby getting all the press. I don't see malkin or staal bitching much.

I think this is a bigger deal to the fans, than internally.

Armchair Bronco
11-29-2011, 09:22 AM
Yet Elway has no problem being incredulous in his endeavor to short change Tebow's role with his ostracizing antics while disparaging his name with the affeminate Timmy. This depite the fact that Tebow is the pivot point from which the wins have swung in this season. tsk tsk

I am also bothered by Elway's constant use of "Timmy". No one else does this.

No one , that is, except for Colin "Herd Mentality" Cowherd who calls him "Touchdown Timmy".

alkemical
11-29-2011, 09:23 AM
I am also bothered by Elway's constant use of "Timmy". No one else does this.

No one , that is, except for Colin "Herd Mentality" Cowherd who calls him "Touchdown Timmy".

Isn't sports the only culture where you keep your "kid" name?

Tommy Lasorda, etc etc.

Armchair Bronco
11-29-2011, 09:33 AM
Isn't sports the only culture where you keep your "kid" name?

Tommy Lasorda, etc etc.

Sure, but everyone calls him "Tommy".

Did Reeves refer to #7 as "Johnny"? No.

Johnny Unitas, yes. Johnny Elway, no.

It's Tim Tebow, not Timmy.

bronco militia
11-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I still call my 12 year old son 'Timmy'

Rohirrim
11-29-2011, 10:04 AM
My middle son (18) is still Timmy. Sometimes Tim. It doesn't matter to him.

alkemical
11-29-2011, 10:38 AM
Sure, but everyone calls him "Tommy".

Did Reeves refer to #7 as "Johnny"? No.

Johnny Unitas, yes. Johnny Elway, no.

It's Tim Tebow, not Timmy.

Dan Reeves drafted someone called Tommy Maddox.

Just Sayin'....

TonyR
11-29-2011, 10:58 AM
It was nothing but air when Orton was playing. "He is our QB. Best chance to win. If I was judged after my first game, I wouldn't have been around long(said after Ortons like 40th start).".

Tebow starts winning and he is week to week. He needs to get better at everything.

I don't have a problem with what he said as it is mostly true. It is just that he is making himself look like an idiot when he claims he is just always telling it like it is. 1-4 = unquestioned starter that gives us the best chance to win. 5-1 is week to week and hardly does anything right.

Why are you so hung up on this? Particularly considering the bolded part? Why such sensitivity about the perception of favoritism towards a player who has since been released? I've explained it before: they weren't defending Kyle Orton, they were defending their decision to start him. They were trying to protect themselves, not Orton. Their decision was getting criticized, they defended it. In fact they're still defending it by making honest observations about Tebow. Think about it. This really isn't all that difficult.

jhns
11-29-2011, 11:42 AM
Why are you so hung up on this? Particularly considering the bolded part? Why such sensitivity about the perception of favoritism towards a player who has since been released? I've explained it before: they weren't defending Kyle Orton, they were defending their decision to start him. They were trying to protect themselves, not Orton. There decision was getting criticized, they defended it. In fact they're still defending it by making honest observations about Tebow. Think about it. This really isn't all that difficult.

It isn't difficult. They made the wrong decision. Them being truthful has allowed us to see how incompetent they are in evaluating QBs.

Where do you get sensitivity out of me stating facts?

Broncbow
11-29-2011, 12:11 PM
I've explained it before: they weren't defending Kyle Orton, they were defending their decision to start him. They were trying to protect themselves, not Orton. There decision was getting criticized, they defended it. In fact they're still defending it by...

And there lies the motive for their conspiracy to stunt Tebows development in the passing game.

John Fox and John Elway are doing everything in their power to keep themselves from looking like complete and utter fools for starting Kyle Orton, not to mention agreeing to pay him 9 million to boot.

In defending their decision, their effort to stunt Tebows development, is not limitted to the wedge of doubt they are hammering in the locker room and fan base, which they have appologized for, but by allowing Tebow to pass it only once when we are not behind to a 116 times when we are, exponentiates the buffoonery of these two clowns.:clown::clown:

Jay3
11-29-2011, 05:45 PM
I've heard that Tebow goes by "Timmy" to those that know him.

Armchair Bronco
11-29-2011, 06:17 PM
I've heard that Tebow goes by "Timmy" to those that know him.

But based on Johnny's errorneous assessment of Tebow's skills, I'd have to say that Johnny doesn't really know Tebow...

Just sayin'.