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Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 09:44 PM
Let me preface the following by saying how incredibly satisfying this win was. 80 year old grandmothers at the party today (kind of a second thanksgiving/Broncos shindig) were highfiving everybody. Yelling. Screaming. Cheering. Today was ****ing AWESOME.

I was watching a little sportscenter, and caught the following clip in regards to Tebow. Keep in mind, John Fox and DeeBow both had nothing but wonderful things to say, but Willis said this:
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My question - Is this a sentiment that is going to be amplified/echoed as the season progresses? Is the locker room going to get rumblings as the national media infatuation with Tebow continues? Could the fact that focus is being taken away from the other facets of each game on a regular basis eventually cause a fissure amongst players?

I hope not, but hearing this kind of stuff gets me a little worried.

All you hear, when talking about our organization, is "Tebow moves to 5-1" "Can Tebow continue the winning streak against _____" etc etc. At what point do players (there are a LOT of ego's in that locker room btw, no matter how much we love them) start to get pissed when the focus isn't on the team?
Thoughts?

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 09:50 PM
This has nothing to do with Tebow.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 09:51 PM
He's tearing the locker room apart!

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 09:51 PM
This has nothing to do with Tebow.

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SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 09:52 PM
I think Willis has to realize that the reason he has wide open holes on read options is because of Teebs. He just wants recognition too..i can understand that.

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 09:52 PM
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This has nothing to do with Tebow.

SoCalBronco
11-27-2011, 09:53 PM
This has nothing to do with Tebow.

Agreed. Tebow has gone out of his way whenever he gets interviewed to give props to his teammates constantly even to the extent of saying absurd things ("we've got great WR's") just to make sure to deflect credit. It's not his fault the media is talking about him.

Tombstone RJ
11-27-2011, 09:53 PM
As long as the team is winning I don't think it will be a big deal. Please remember that when the Broncos lose it's all on Tebow. The media focuses in on how bad Tebow is.

So it cuts both ways.

That being said many people still give the wins to the defense and say the the Broncos are winning despite Tebow.

cabronco
11-27-2011, 09:54 PM
I think the media makes comments to the players to get a reaction like that. Like, now that TT is 5 and 1 how do you feel Willis? They're kind of baiting them, and they need to realize that.

Every time I've seen TT at the mic he gives nothing but praise to all his teammates and coaching and Gb2.

Garcia Bronco
11-27-2011, 09:54 PM
Well...that depends in whether the "locker room" is full of pussies. I don't think it is. And many are saying the defense is playing outstanding football. Which started in game one, but went to another level 6 games ago.

Let me preface the following by saying how incredibly satisfying this win was. 80 year old grandmothers at the party today (kind of a second thanksgiving/Broncos shindig) were highfiving everybody. Yelling. Screaming. Cheering. Today was ****ing AWESOME.

I was watching a little sportscenter, and caught the following clip in regards to Tebow. Keep in mind, John Fox and DeeBow both had nothing but wonderful things to say, but Willis said this:
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My question - Is this a sentiment that is going to be amplified/echoed as the season progresses? Is the locker room going to get rumblings as the national media infatuation with Tebow continues? Could the fact that focus is being taken away from the other facets of each game on a regular basis eventually cause a fissure amongst players?

I hope not, but hearing this kind of stuff gets me a little worried.

All you hear, when talking about our organization, is "Tebow moves to 5-1" "Can Tebow continue the winning streak against _____" etc etc. At what point do players (there are a LOT of ego's in that locker room btw, no matter how much we love them) start to get pissed when the focus isn't on the team?
Thoughts?

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 09:55 PM
Let me preface the following by saying how incredibly satisfying this win was. 80 year old grandmothers at the party today (kind of a second thanksgiving/Broncos shindig) were highfiving everybody. Yelling. Screaming. Cheering. Today was ****ing AWESOME.

I was watching a little sportscenter, and caught the following clip in regards to Tebow. Keep in mind, John Fox and DeeBow both had nothing but wonderful things to say, but Willis said this:
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My question - Is this a sentiment that is going to be amplified/echoed as the season progresses? Is the locker room going to get rumblings as the national media infatuation with Tebow continues? Could the fact that focus is being taken away from the other facets of each game on a regular basis eventually cause a fissure amongst players?

I hope not, but hearing this kind of stuff gets me a little worried.

All you hear, when talking about our organization, is "Tebow moves to 5-1" "Can Tebow continue the winning streak against _____" etc etc. At what point do players (there are a LOT of ego's in that locker room btw, no matter how much we love them) start to get pissed when the focus isn't on the team?
Thoughts?

Agreed. The defense is making it pretty easy but they're getting little credit, comparatively. I don't know Willis' contract situation off the top of my head but it must suck for him to feel like he's playing well, making plays to win games for the team, yet sitting in the shadow of Tebow. That's not how someone gets one more big contract.

Then, consider if he was annoyed at it, what would be the best way to approach it? "I did good today too, ya know!"? No... then he's selfish. But to say the D deserves some credit... that's putting praise on someone else while conveying the "It's not just him!" message.

I don't think it'll be a major issue with the team though as long as Tebow doesn't buy into it.

McDman
11-27-2011, 09:55 PM
Well when the only thing the media talks about is Tebow winning games I'm sure it gets old. Never mind our all world defense right now or the fact that our o-line and RBs are playing great.

I'm sure Tebow isn't too thrilled about it either. He seems to be the ultimate team player.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-27-2011, 09:55 PM
we need to get orton back we was all fine with orton losing game after game. it dont matter as long as the locker room is happy . but this coach had to start Tebow and now the infighting in the locker room i ask you is winning worth it is it ?
dont you people have any heart pfft lol

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 09:55 PM
Agreed. Tebow has gone out of his way whenever he gets interviewed to give props to his teammates constantly even to the extent of saying absurd things ("we've got great WR's") just to make sure to deflect credit. It's not his fault the media is talking about him.

Exactly. This is McGahee telling a media dork he's a dork. It has nothing to do with Tebow.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Ok, maybe I didn't do a good enough job explaining what happened. The section on sportscenter was titled "Timely Tebow" or something, and they were asking questions specifically about Tebow. The responses from coach Fox, Franklin, and McGahee were all in response to Tim.

It just sounded to me like McGahee was offended that the reporter neglected to mention the other members of the team when talking about what happened today.

So yes, this is about Tebow.

Not what HE does in an interview (obviously he's wonderful about giving teammates props etc), I'm asking about how the OTHER players on the team feel in regards to Tim getting all of the attention.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 09:57 PM
Agreed. Tebow has gone out of his way whenever he gets interviewed to give props to his teammates constantly even to the extent of saying absurd things ("we've got great WR's") just to make sure to deflect credit. It's not his fault the media is talking about him.

I don't imagine the players buy those stock responses any more than we do. EVERY player out there has been taught to deflect the praise to his teammates and only the real A-holes don't do it. It's hardly a sign of humility.

Popps
11-27-2011, 09:59 PM
Everyone is right, here. It's about the media... but it's also about Tebow. It's not Tebow's fault, but you can very clearly feel how over this **** WM is with this answer.
It's not remotely aimed at Tebow, though. It's aimed at the circus.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 10:00 PM
Everyone is right, here. It's about the media... but it's also about Tebow. It's not Tebow's fault, but you can very clearly feel how over this **** WM is with this answer.
It's not remotely aimed at Tebow, though. It's aimed at the circus.

Do you think someone can be that irritated and not resent Tebow for it, at some level, though?

Willis personally made a play to win the game for the 2nd time today and he's still an afterthought. You don't think he's annoyed by that, personally?

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:01 PM
It just sounded to me like McGahee was offended that the reporter neglected to mention the other members of the team when talking about what happened today.

So yes, this is about Tebow.

No, it's not. It's about a media dork. Mcgahee was offended; by the reporter.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 10:01 PM
LOL maybe Winning doesn't solve everything...

McGahee has been one of the key players in our turnaround, imho.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Also that god bless stuff ITS OFFENDING PEOPLE !!!! like some moderators, sports media people and bronco fans and other nfl fans TEBOW IS RIPPING ALL OF US APART. he has to go now . cant we go back to the old being ignored losing with orton, being liked by the other 31 nfl teams and fans . GOD HAS NO PLACE IN THE NFL IN PUBLIC IN PRIVATE, only wife beaters, animal abusers ,roid ragers , drug users are acceptable oh and certain tebow stalkers whos name starts with M.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Well...that depends in whether the "locker room" is full of pussies. I don't think it is. And many are saying the defense is playing outstanding football. Which started in game one, but went to another level 6 games ago.

This is what I'm hoping, but Willis appears "irritated" already.

As another poster stated, it's almost like the reporters are baiting them into questions, which ****ing sucks. I just hope that this doesn't turn into a trend, because Tebow DOES spread props around as much as possible. It just makes me wonder how much a locker room can take...even with the winning. Attention is a pretty large part of high profile athletes' makeup. Recognition for their skillset.

I HOPE, we as a team can block out the media fanaticism and focus on a team first type of attitude...seeing clips like this just make me nervous.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Everyone is right, here. It's about the media... but it's also about Tebow. It's not Tebow's fault, but you can very clearly feel how over this **** WM is with this answer.
It's not remotely aimed at Tebow, though. It's aimed at the circus.

I blame Florida, not the school. The state ;D
(only half joking here...)

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Do you think someone can be that irritated and not resent Tebow for it, at some level, though?Of course they can.

Willis personally made a play to win the game for the 2nd time today and he's still an afterthought. You don't think he's annoyed by that, personally?
Annoyed at the media? Yes.
Annoyed at Tebow? Not remotely.

yerner
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
I feel the exact same way. I'm tired of hearing more about Tebow than Von Miller and the rest of the Broncos.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
No, it's not. It's about a media dork. Mcgahee was offended; by the reporter.

Ok, we're just going to have to disagree here.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
LOL maybe Winning doesn't solve everything...

McGahee has been one of the key players in our turnaround, imho.

People want their accolades. Tebow is winning and may play a large role in everyone else's success but in terms of direct plays, his accolades greatly outweigh his contributions. I'd say he's about 3rd or 4th in MVP since he became the starter.

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:06 PM
Ok, we're just going to have to disagree here.

Do you really not get how this is not about Tebow?

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 10:06 PM
Also that god bless stuff ITS OFFENDING PEOPLE !!!! like some moderators, sports media people and bronco fans and other nfl fans TEBOW IS RIPPING ALL OF US APART. he has to go now . cant we go back to the old being ignored losing with orton, being liked by the other 31 nfl teams and fans . GOD HAS NO PLACE IN THE NFL IN PUBLIC IN PRIVATE, only wife beaters, animal abusers ,roid ragers , drug users are acceptable oh and certain tebow stalkers whos name starts with M.

Serious question here.. do you have any idea why your posts annoy the piss outta me? I'm really trying to figure out so I can gripe but I can't pinpoint it.

Whatever it is, I hate your posts. I'm sure you're a decent fella, though. I just hate your posts.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:12 PM
Do you really not get how this is not about Tebow?

Dude. I'm not saying TEBOW said or did anything wrong. I started this thread because the report was showing teamates/coaches response TO TEBOW. Willis McGahee was obviously frustrated (irritated, whatever) that TEBOW was the media focal point after a win.

This thread was started as a way to diagnose Willis' response to questions about Tebow and those possible effects going forward.

So no, I don't get how "this is not about Tebow", because it is. But if you don't see it that way, then that's your opinion.

Popps
11-27-2011, 10:16 PM
Do you really not get how this is not about Tebow?

I think he gets that part, from reading his posts.

I think Tebow is just the innocent source of the problem, though. It was clear by WM's answer that he's over it. Crystal clear. He wants some props for the rest of the team. He said it in plain English.

He's not mad at Tebow, but he's tired of hearing about it.... and no, he's not thinking it's Tebow's fault, from what I interpret here. But, Tebow is the SUBJECT of the issue that's aggravating him.

So, no... it won't cause inner turmoil, imo. Particularly if we're winning.

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:18 PM
Dude. I'm not saying TEBOW said or did anything wrong. I started this thread because the report was showing teamates/coaches response TO TEBOW. Willis McGahee was obviously frustrated (irritated, whatever) that TEBOW was the media focal point after a win.

This thread was started as a way to diagnose Willis' response to questions about Tebow and those possible effects going forward.

So no, I don't get how "this is not about Tebow", because it is. But if you don't see it that way, then that's your opinion.The clip you posted is showing Mcgahee's response TO A REPORTER, not his response to Tebow.

Use more caps. It's really helping your argument.

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 10:19 PM
I think he gets that part, from reading his posts.

I think Tebow is just the innocent source of the problem, though. It was clear by WM's answer that he's over it. Crystal clear. He wants some props for the rest of the team. He said it in plain English.

McGahee is just reprimanding a reporter for the Tebow obsession.

Had nothing to do with Tim.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 10:19 PM
Dude. I'm not saying TEBOW said or did anything wrong. I started this thread because the report was showing teamates/coaches response TO TEBOW. Willis McGahee was obviously frustrated (irritated, whatever) that TEBOW was the media focal point after a win.

This thread was started as a way to diagnose Willis' response to questions about Tebow and those possible effects going forward.

So no, I don't get how "this is not about Tebow", because it is. But if you don't see it that way, then that's your opinion.

It's about something know as the... wait for it... wait for it... little know Tebow Effect... Hilarious!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-27-2011, 10:21 PM
Serious question here.. do you have any idea why your posts annoy the piss outta me? I'm really trying to figure out so I can gripe but I can't pinpoint it.

Whatever it is, I hate your posts. I'm sure you're a decent fella, though. I just hate your posts.

good ill post more
im shure you get over it kid
now lets not have any of that god bless jesus stuff now the media and some people will be very upset
and a lil tip for ya guy DONT GO TOSSING FUEL ON THE FIRE lol you will just get me goin even more :clown:
how silly getting upset over me being silly and making fun of the anti tebow nuts and the uber pro tebow nuts

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 10:21 PM
Dude. I'm not saying TEBOW said or did anything wrong. I started this thread because the report was showing teamates/coaches response TO TEBOW. Willis McGahee was obviously frustrated (irritated, whatever) that TEBOW was the media focal point after a win.

This thread was started as a way to diagnose Willis' response to questions about Tebow and those possible effects going forward.

So no, I don't get how "this is not about Tebow", because it is. But if you don't see it that way, then that's your opinion.

"Possible effects"?

Tebow has brought the spotlight to Denver. While its probably a little frustrating to have to hear about one guy in all of you press interviews, the majority of these guys probably enjoy the new spotlight.

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:25 PM
But, Tebow is the SUBJECT of the issue that's aggravating him.

The reporter is aggravating him. OP asked if this would cause a rift between players. This question and Willis's annoyance with it doesn't concern Mcgahee's relationship with Tebow in any way.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-27-2011, 10:25 PM
because of tebow we won since the defense has to account for him all the time and if we made some of those first downs this very well would been over before the 4th quarter . and the defense since they got a lil time to rest kept the chargers from running up the score, now if only we can figure out why the wr kept dropping passes

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:26 PM
The clip you posted is showing Mcgahee's response TO A REPORTER, not his response to Tebow.

Use more caps. It's really helping your argument.

I never said he responded directly to Tebow, dude. I've stated multiple times that it was a response to a focal point that revolves around..................TEBOW. Hence, it's about Tebow.

Gort
11-27-2011, 10:26 PM
this is what a captain is supposed to do. it's about the team and the wins. it's not an individual game, it's a team game.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:27 PM
"Possible effects"?

Tebow has brought the spotlight to Denver. While its probably a little frustrating to have to hear about one guy in all of you press interviews, the majority of these guys probably enjoy the new spotlight.

That's the ultimate question I'm trying to ask here. Are more players (assuming this type of Tebow focused media attention continues as it is now) going forward going to start having the same types of frustrations?

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:28 PM
I never said he responded directly to Tebow, dude. I've stated multiple times that it was a response to a focal point that revolves around..................TEBOW. Hence, it's about Tebow.

You should read what you actually wrote.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:29 PM
The reporter is aggravating him. OP asked if this would cause a rift between players. This question and Willis's annoyance with it doesn't concern Mcgahee's relationship with Tebow in any way.

Holy **** dude I never said anything close to that.

Jetmeck
11-27-2011, 10:30 PM
Dude. I'm not saying TEBOW said or did anything wrong. I started this thread because the report was showing teamates/coaches response TO TEBOW. Willis McGahee was obviously frustrated (irritated, whatever) that TEBOW was the media focal point after a win.

This thread was started as a way to diagnose Willis' response to questions about Tebow and those possible effects going forward.

So no, I don't get how "this is not about Tebow", because it is. But if you don't see it that way, then that's your opinion.

What part of TEBOW does not control the media do you not get ?

If Willis is upset, it damn well better be at the media period.

Hello ? Anybody home ? Are the lights on in there ?

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-27-2011, 10:30 PM
reporter just trying to get a controversy going. once in a while someone slips and it becomes a national firestorm . i guess he supposed to say gahhh i hate that tebow guy that sob. i won this game me me me not that christian sob .

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:31 PM
You should read what you actually wrote.

Please, show me the part where I mentioned "tebow and mcgahee's relationship".

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:31 PM
Holy **** dude I never said anything close to that.

You have the reading comprehension of someone who cannot read.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 10:32 PM
He's right and Tim would say the same.

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:32 PM
Please, show me the part where I mentioned "tebow and mcgahee's relationship".

Again. No where did I say or imply that you mentioned their relationship.

BroncoDoom
11-27-2011, 10:32 PM
because of tebow we won since the defense has to account for him all the time and if we made some of those first downs this very well would been over before the 4th quarter . and the defense since they got a lil time to rest kept the chargers from running up the score, now if only we can figure out why the wr kept dropping passes

Remedial punctuation anyone? Are you high on Viagra?

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 10:35 PM
Remedial punctuation anyone? Are you high on Viagra?
I can't read that dude's posts. Unintelligible.

ant1999e
11-27-2011, 10:38 PM
I feel the exact same way. I'm tired of hearing more about Tebow than Von Miller and the rest of the Broncos.

Poor little fella. You gonna make it through the season???

Jetmeck
11-27-2011, 10:40 PM
Poor little fella. You gonna make it through the season???

Don't see how cause its only going to get worse.................

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 10:40 PM
He's right and Tim would say the same.

Yep, and Tim says pretty much the same thing in every interview.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:41 PM
Again. No where did I say or imply that you mentioned their relationship.

Apologies, I misinterpreted this quote

OP asked if this would cause a rift between players. This question and Willis's annoyance with it doesn't concern Mcgahee's relationship with Tebow in any way.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 10:42 PM
Yep, and Tim says pretty much the same thing in every interview.

Literally. Like... word for word.

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Don't see how cause its only going to get worse.................

Yeah, just imagine what this is going to be like if the Broncos make the playoffs. The backstretch run to our season is probably going to be broadcast across the country every week, and Tebowmania is going to spread into a massive cross-country conflagration.

Tebow is the LeBron of the NFL. He's the most polarizing, most popular player in the league. Coverage is going to spike over the course of these last few weeks.

BabyTO
11-27-2011, 10:48 PM
this is why you dont make this idiot a team captain. he doesnt know what the hell a captain is supposed to do or say, he has never been in that situation. in fact, he's been the exact opposite of a team captain, his entire career has been based on him complaining about not getting enough opportunities and not being in the spotlight.

they should remove the "C" tag off his chest and give it to the guy who is winning games and was born a leader (no not bunkley)

DBroncos4life
11-27-2011, 10:50 PM
I knew it. As soon as I saw that I knew people would be upset.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:50 PM
this is why you dont make this idiot a team captain. he doesnt know what the hell a captain is supposed to do or say, he has never been in that situation. in fact, he's been the exact opposite of a team captain, his entire career has been based on him complaining about not getting enough opportunities and not being in the spotlight.

they should remove the "C" tag off his chest and give it to the guy who is winning games and was born a leader (no not bunkley)

wasn't aware of this. If this is factual, it would go a long way towards making me feel better about the locker room barometer down the road.

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 10:51 PM
I knew it. As soon as I saw that I knew people would be upset.

Well, it caught me off guard, got me thinking. I'm not damning our future, just asking questions.

And upset isn't really the word I'd use to describe how I felt about it. Just nervous.

DBroncos4life
11-27-2011, 10:56 PM
Well, it caught me off guard, got me thinking. I'm not damning our future, just asking questions.

And upset isn't really the word I'd use to describe how I felt about it. Just nervous.

What cause he wants the TEAM to get credit for wins? Anything you guys can do to make this about Tebow vs the world. I'm not saying that you are in that group.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 11:01 PM
What cause he wants the TEAM to get credit for wins? Anything you guys can do to make this about Tebow vs the world. I'm not saying that you are in that group.

I think "team" is a euphemism for "Willis McGahee"

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-27-2011, 11:01 PM
Remedial punctuation anyone? Are you high on Viagra?

so is this the part im supposed to get mad or something ok ill play along
GRRRR ARRRRR IM SOO ANGRY throw in a lil witch hunt projecting and bam perfect :peace::spit:

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 11:03 PM
Wow. Well, thank some of you for attempting a rational discussion about a topic that seemed fairly pertinent to our team.

For the last time, this isn't a Tebow vs ANYONE thread. This is a "Is there a possibility of future locker room backlash due to the media's infatuation of Tebow as evidenced by a team captain's reaction on film following todays game" thread. The media. And how their coverage of Tebow might effect our locker room. Not Tebow's fault.

****.

DBroncos4life
11-27-2011, 11:06 PM
I think "team" is a euphemism for "Willis McGahee"

Youre right cut him.

FRISKY_DINGO
11-27-2011, 11:09 PM
Let me preface the following by saying how incredibly satisfying this win was. 80 year old grandmothers at the party today (kind of a second thanksgiving/Broncos shindig) were highfiving everybody. Yelling. Screaming. Cheering. Today was ****ing AWESOME.

I was watching a little sportscenter, and caught the following clip in regards to Tebow. Keep in mind, John Fox and DeeBow both had nothing but wonderful things to say, but Willis said this:
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<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sd8eI1tMri8?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="360" width="480"></object>

My question - Is this a sentiment that is going to be amplified/echoed as the season progresses? Is the locker room going to get rumblings as the national media infatuation with Tebow continues? Could the fact that focus is being taken away from the other facets of each game on a regular basis eventually cause a fissure amongst players?

I hope not, but hearing this kind of stuff gets me a little worried.

All you hear, when talking about our organization, is "Tebow moves to 5-1" "Can Tebow continue the winning streak against _____" etc etc. At what point do players (there are a LOT of ego's in that locker room btw, no matter how much we love them) start to get pissed when the focus isn't on the team?
Thoughts?



For those of you that say this has nothing to do with Tebow are completely delusional. If any of us were in that locker room and all we heard about was one player and how he "makes the team", you'd be irritated too.

We should all be happy this team is winning, but let's keep things in perspective. We're 6-5 because of the TEAM is playing well.

DBroncos4life
11-27-2011, 11:09 PM
Wow. Well, thank some of you for attempting a rational discussion about a topic that seemed fairly pertinent to our team.

For the last time, this isn't a Tebow vs ANYONE thread. This is a "Is there a possibility of future locker room backlash due to the media's infatuation of Tebow as evidenced by a team captain's reaction on film following todays game" thread. The media. And how their coverage of Tebow might effect our locker room. Not Tebow's fault.

****.

So you're cool with fans tossing any member of the Broncos for not bowing down to Tebow. First Llyod, then Elway, and now Willis. See the trend?

Ratboy
11-27-2011, 11:12 PM
He did sound irritated about the Tebow talk. Sure it was pointed at the reporter, I hope they don't feel that way towards T2.

Baba Booey
11-27-2011, 11:13 PM
Not worried one bit. Tebow is the ultimate team player and this is just frustration with the media, not Tim himself.

Willis is right, by the way.

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 11:13 PM
They just made him Captain of the team.

Mogulseeker
11-27-2011, 11:16 PM
OMG!!!!!!

Did McGahee literally say "It's a TEAM win" ???????????

How dare he!

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 11:18 PM
So you're cool with fans tossing any member of the Broncos for not bowing down to Tebow. First Llyod, then Elway, and now Willis. See the trend?

What? No, not cool with the fan tossing Broncos idea. I love the honesty of the players, which is why this is so interesting to me. It makes me nervous, because i wonder how many other players are thinking what Mcgahee said. Tebow isn't above reproach...but that's not my point here. I'm nervous because there's a possibility other players are going to get more irritated the longer the media keep Tim as the constant focal point.

The trend you speak of IS troubling, but its not what I was talking about.

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 11:25 PM
Media won't care. They love Tim Tebow. He has lived his life in a way that makes him more of a story then Willis or any other Bronco player. Just how it is. Won the Heisman which means he was the best football player in college football. Has won the big one in college which is no easy feat. Hell National Championships may be tougher then Superbowls with players leaving every yr.

Tebow is like a tidal wave of hysteria. People who don't even follow football are talking about him.

I swear after game today, i went outside, there was a cloud, and it tebowed right there in front of me.

DBroncos4life
11-27-2011, 11:26 PM
What? No, not cool with the fan tossing Broncos idea. I love the honesty of the players, which is why this is so interesting to me. It makes me nervous, because i wonder how many other players are thinking what Mcgahee said. Tebow isn't above reproach...but that's not my point here. I'm nervous because there's a possibility other players are going to get more irritated the longer the media keep Tim as the constant focal point.

The trend you speak of IS troubling, but its not what I was talking about.

Of course they all think it. Its no different the kids growing up in the shadow of a sibling. We win as a team and the media forces Tebow down are throats.

OrangeSe7en
11-27-2011, 11:28 PM
Let me preface the following by saying how incredibly satisfying this win was. 80 year old grandmothers at the party today (kind of a second thanksgiving/Broncos shindig) were highfiving everybody. Yelling. Screaming. Cheering. Today was ****ing AWESOME.

I was watching a little sportscenter, and caught the following clip in regards to Tebow. Keep in mind, John Fox and DeeBow both had nothing but wonderful things to say, but Willis said this:
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My question - Is this a sentiment that is going to be amplified/echoed as the season progresses? Is the locker room going to get rumblings as the national media infatuation with Tebow continues? Could the fact that focus is being taken away from the other facets of each game on a regular basis eventually cause a fissure amongst players?

I hope not, but hearing this kind of stuff gets me a little worried.

All you hear, when talking about our organization, is "Tebow moves to 5-1" "Can Tebow continue the winning streak against _____" etc etc. At what point do players (there are a LOT of ego's in that locker room btw, no matter how much we love them) start to get pissed when the focus isn't on the team?
Thoughts?

I'd be more worried about it if Tebow didnt share credit at every opportunity. Because Tebow is so readily sharing/deflecting credit, the resentment should be against the media and not Tebow. It's not like Tebow is Terrell Owens and is, "hey, look at me!".

Boobs McGee
11-27-2011, 11:36 PM
I'd be more worried about it if Tebow didnt share credit at every opportunity. Because Tebow is so readily sharing/deflecting credit, the resentment should be against the media and not Tebow. It's not like Tebow is Terrell Owens and is, "hey, look at me!".

That's a great point. And we know he's going to continue in that way, because thats who he is. So then the question becomes...will THAT recognition (tebow to his teammates) be enough to hinder the media resentment?

Eventually, and to use YOUR example dbroncs4life, in the case of a shadowed sibling: At some point in life, the one in the shadow usually rises up to make themselves known. It can be destructive in some cases...lashing out for attention...OR, through hard work, and being noticeable enough in a completely positive way.

This just seems to be on a completely different level though. Tebow's coverage is...well, it seems unprecedented. Makes it that much tougher to gauge our teams reaction

Baba Booey
11-28-2011, 12:34 AM
@WillisMcGahee (http://twitter.com/#%21/WillisMcGahee) Willismcgahee
<s>@</s>pinstripelove (http://twitter.com/#%21/pinstripelove) don't worry they not turning me against my qb, I just had to let them kno our defense had a major role in this. <s class="hash">#</s>teamsport (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23teamsport)

/thread

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 12:37 AM
@WillisMcGahee (http://twitter.com/#%21/WillisMcGahee) Willismcgahee
<s>@</s>pinstripelove (http://twitter.com/#%21/pinstripelove) don't worry they not turning me against my qb, I just had to let them kno our defense had a major role in this. <s class="hash">#</s>teamsport (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23teamsport)

/thread

Willis is a class dude. His teammates knew what he was saying. He's just trying to give credit to the unheralded.

ZONA
11-28-2011, 12:46 AM
another example of somebody trying to make more of some very vague comments. All he said was the rest of the team is playing well too. They're winning so all is good.

Why do people always have to have their finger resting on the panic button, lol.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-28-2011, 01:01 AM
think people read way too much into this and then jump to conclusions

rbackfactory80
11-28-2011, 06:11 AM
I feel the exact same way. I'm tired of hearing more about Tebow than Von Miller and the rest of the Broncos.


And I am tired of listening to you whine in every post.

Guess you are new to the NFL. I mean, this has to be the first time the QB gets all the credit. Actually, it's even more pronounced when there are a-hole haters everywhere rooting for him to fail like you.

Why??? Because the haters are so upset they are wrong they won't just let it go. They have to keep pushing the story in anticipation of Tebow's failure.

Sucks to win 5 out of six, huh???

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 06:14 AM
Not a big deal. Tebow gives big credit to his teammates at every opportunity.

Medias gonna media imo

ChrisToker
11-28-2011, 06:25 AM
I think Willis has to realize that the reason he has wide open holes on read options is because of Teebs. He just wants recognition too..i can understand that.

NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 06:28 AM
NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.

Explain how our running game was so effective with Orton then

Or how major chunks of mcgahee's yardage come off the zone read

Really...

ChrisToker
11-28-2011, 06:31 AM
this is why you dont make this idiot a team captain. he doesnt know what the hell a captain is supposed to do or say, he has never been in that situation. in fact, he's been the exact opposite of a team captain, his entire career has been based on him complaining about not getting enough opportunities and not being in the spotlight.

they should remove the "C" tag off his chest and give it to the guy who is winning games and was born a leader (no not bunkley)

WOW YOU ARE ****ING RETARDED!!

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 06:36 AM
This really has nothing to do with Tebow. This is about McGahee telling the media they ****ing ruhtards. I can't believe they go up to a running back who just had a nice game and all they want to ask him about is Tebow. The media really is a joke.

Jesterhole
11-28-2011, 06:37 AM
Dude got elected captain, he's just trying to make sure the entire team is getting credit. I'm sure most of them are somewhat tired of hearing about TT. Everyone has picked up their play...the O line, the entire defense. The best thing TT really did today was not make any mistakes in a close game. He made 1-2 clutch throws, and for the most part, the rest of the team won the game. So I can understand his comments.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 06:37 AM
NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.

You sir, are an idiot.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 06:41 AM
Dude got elected captain, he's just trying to make sure the entire team is getting credit. I'm sure most of them are somewhat tired of hearing about TT. Everyone has picked up their play...the O line, the entire defense. The best thing TT really did today was not make any mistakes in a close game. He made 1-2 clutch throws, and for the most part, the rest of the team won the game. So I can understand his comments.

I'm sure Tebow is sick of it too to be honest. I'm a big Tebow supporter, and there's no doubt he deserves credit for this resurgence, but the way they act like it's just him winning these games is ridiculous.

55CrushEm
11-28-2011, 06:41 AM
Not a big deal. Tebow gives big credit to his teammates at every opportunity.

Medias gonna media imo

Exactly. Tebow does EVERYTHING a good teammate should do....and this is why his teammates love him.

He is the anti-Terrell Owens.....who fractures EVERY locker room he touches because he says all the wrong things...."Look at me....throw me the ball....getcha popcorn ready.....blah, blah".......

55CrushEm
11-28-2011, 06:44 AM
NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.

LOL. Idiot comment of the year award.

Our running game is better because of Tebow and the option. Our defense is playing better, in part, because of Tebow (longer drives--> clock control --> more rest).

Laughable comment.

Dedhed
11-28-2011, 06:45 AM
NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.Great take.

We were 1-4 with the very QB you're talking about. Keep it up.

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 06:46 AM
NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.

Until the Chargers game i totally agreed with this. I thought for the first time this season Tebow gave a solid contribution in this game. He threw the ball, ran the ball, and again didn't turn it over. He deserves more credit for this win than any this season.

That said, what McGahee said is completely correct. Willis is a veteran, not some rookie punk. He knows where the holes come from, and what Tebow does for the running game. He has admitted it. He has also played with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and knows to give credit to your defense when they are playing like this.

Tebow doesn't really take all the credit on to himself, but why can't he just say to the media look this isnt about me sometimes this team wins in spite of me. Even make a joke about it and laugh, say everyone is talking about me but with a defense this good my job is pretty easy... Everyone complains about Elways PR skills, but maybe Tebow could learn a few too.

oubronco
11-28-2011, 06:48 AM
McGahee is just telling the truth

Dedhed
11-28-2011, 06:51 AM
I thought for the first time this season Tebow gave a solid contribution in this game.

It is beyond belief to me. Just beyond belief that there are people this able to ignore reality.

It wows me every time.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 06:54 AM
Tebow doesn't really take all the credit on to himself, but why can't he just say to the media look this isnt about me sometimes this team wins in spite of me. Even make a joke about it and laugh, say everyone is talking about me but with a defense this good my job is pretty easy... Everyone complains about Elways PR skills, but maybe Tebow could learn a few too.

Wow you are an idiot. Tebow is probably the best I've ever seen at handling awkward questions and giving the media nothing to feed on. Instead you want him to come out and basically say he sucks and the team is winning in spite of him. First of all that isn't true and he knows it. Second of all, that would cause a massive feeding frenzy in the media. Tebow is clearly smarter than you. But then again I think there are things growing in the back of my fridge that are smarter than you.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 06:55 AM
It is beyond belief to me. Just beyond belief that there are people this able to ignore reality.

It wows me every time.

Turd is quite possibly the stupidest poster on these boards not named Spider or Punisher. And that's saying something...

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 06:56 AM
It is beyond belief to me. Just beyond belief that there are people this able to ignore reality.

It wows me every time.

Yea every time you post it blows me away.

I give Tebow some credit and you cry like a little girl. How many superbowls, conference championships, and division championships does he have? ****ing zero. He has improved, HE IS NOT A ****ING GOD! People like you are the reason McGahee has to make these comments.

Dedhed
11-28-2011, 06:58 AM
Yea every time you post it blows me away.

I give Tebow some credit and you cry like a little girl. How many superbowls, conference championships, and division championships does he have? ****ing zero. He has improved, HE IS NOT A ****ING GOD! People like you are the reason McGahee has to make these comments.

Snappy comeback. You're clearly very intelligent.

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 07:01 AM
Wow you are an idiot. Tebow is probably the best I've ever seen at handling awkward questions and giving the media nothing to feed on. Instead you want him to come out and basically say he sucks and the team is winning in spite of him. First of all that isn't true and he knows it. Second of all, that would cause a massive feeding frenzy in the media. Tebow is clearly smarter than you. But then again I think there are things growing in the back of my fridge that are smarter than you.

So you want Elway to lie and Tebow to tell the truth the way he sees it? Nice double standard you fool. Feeding frenzy in the media?????? Are you serious? Like there isnt a media feeding frenzy right now??? YOU are exactly what Willis was talkin bout. Dumb ass.

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 07:03 AM
Snappy comeback. You're clearly very intelligent.

Thank you. I can see it isn't a mutual trait.

Dedhed
11-28-2011, 07:11 AM
Thank you. I can see it isn't a mutual trait.

"I know you are but what am I?" Really?

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 07:15 AM
So you want Elway to lie and Tebow to tell the truth the way he sees it? Nice double standard you fool. Feeding frenzy in the media?????? Are you serious? Like there isnt a media feeding frenzy right now??? YOU are exactly what Willis was talkin bout. Dumb ass.

So when did they start letting you out of the house without your helmet? Or has that not happened yet?

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 07:21 AM
So when did they start letting you out of the house without your helmet? Or has that not happened yet?

Could you show us on the doll where Tim Tebow touched you?

DarkHorse
11-28-2011, 07:36 AM
Sounded to me like Willis is just trying to take some of the pressure off of Tebow - when/if the bubble breaks Tebow will take all of the blame. Willis is saying "hey, we're playing as a team - we win and lose as a team, it's not all on Tebow"


That's what I took from it last night when I saw it.

bronco militia
11-28-2011, 08:04 AM
Stop saying Denver's fluky, because it's a lie. The recipe for the Broncos winning five of six is not Tebow, Tebow and more Tebow. It's defense and the running game keeping things close. It's Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil rushing the passer and keeping him uncomfortable, and a reborn Willis McGahee (4.8 yards per carry at age 31) pounding defenses with the changeup ability of Tebow thrown in. And Eric Decker making circus catches. That about covers it.

"If it ain't broken, and it ain't, then don't fix it," McGahee told me from San Diego Sunday night. It was a 23-carry, 117-yard day by McGahee, with his 24-yard run in overtime setting up the winning field goal that led to the 16-13 overtime win. Afterward, McGahee said the game had the feel of another close one, and he said to Tebow in the middle of the second half, "Me and you gotta win this game." And the two men combined to do it, helped by a third-and-11 conversion catch by Decker that was upheld by review on the game-tying drive at the end of the fourth quarter. You know, when Tebow takes over. "It's cool everybody doubts us," McGahee said. "Don't respect us. All we know is, if it's close at the end, we're gonna win."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/27/week.12/index.html#ixzz1f15jJI21

DenverBrit
11-28-2011, 08:13 AM
The entire team is playing better, it's not about one individual, it's about all the moving parts working together for once.

Something we haven't seen in years.

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 08:21 AM
Stop saying Denver's fluky, because it's a lie. The recipe for the Broncos winning five of six is not Tebow, Tebow and more Tebow. It's defense and the running game keeping things close. It's Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil rushing the passer and keeping him uncomfortable, and a reborn Willis McGahee (4.8 yards per carry at age 31) pounding defenses with the changeup ability of Tebow thrown in. And Eric Decker making circus catches. That about covers it.

"If it ain't broken, and it ain't, then don't fix it," McGahee told me from San Diego Sunday night. It was a 23-carry, 117-yard day by McGahee, with his 24-yard run in overtime setting up the winning field goal that led to the 16-13 overtime win. Afterward, McGahee said the game had the feel of another close one, and he said to Tebow in the middle of the second half, "Me and you gotta win this game." And the two men combined to do it, helped by a third-and-11 conversion catch by Decker that was upheld by review on the game-tying drive at the end of the fourth quarter. You know, when Tebow takes over. "It's cool everybody doubts us," McGahee said. "Don't respect us. All we know is, if it's close at the end, we're gonna win."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/27/week.12/index.html#ixzz1f15jJI21

When decker actually decides to catch the ball he's pretty good

zdoor
11-28-2011, 08:28 AM
Stop saying Denver's fluky, because it's a lie. The recipe for the Broncos winning five of six is not Tebow, Tebow and more Tebow. It's defense and the running game keeping things close. It's Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil rushing the passer and keeping him uncomfortable, and a reborn Willis McGahee (4.8 yards per carry at age 31) pounding defenses with the changeup ability of Tebow thrown in. And Eric Decker making circus catches. That about covers it.

"If it ain't broken, and it ain't, then don't fix it," McGahee told me from San Diego Sunday night. It was a 23-carry, 117-yard day by McGahee, with his 24-yard run in overtime setting up the winning field goal that led to the 16-13 overtime win. Afterward, McGahee said the game had the feel of another close one, and he said to Tebow in the middle of the second half, "Me and you gotta win this game." And the two men combined to do it, helped by a third-and-11 conversion catch by Decker that was upheld by review on the game-tying drive at the end of the fourth quarter. You know, when Tebow takes over. "It's cool everybody doubts us," McGahee said. "Don't respect us. All we know is, if it's close at the end, we're gonna win."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/27/week.12/index.html#ixzz1f15jJI21

While I agree with pretty much everything you've posted, I think its more than a coincidence that all our improvements have come now that we have a new QB. Turnovers are huge on the defensive turnaround and the running game improvement is definitely a result of Tebow in the lineup. While I understand how some of the over the top Tebow euphoria gets annoying. It gets just as irritating after listening to years of this team isn't losing because of the QB, its the lack of a running game and solid D. Now, according to some we're winning inspite of the QB due to the D and running game.

bronco militia
11-28-2011, 08:38 AM
While I agree with pretty much everything you've posted, I think its more than a coincidence that all our improvements have come now that we have a new QB. Turnovers are huge on the defensive turnaround and the running game improvement is definitely a result of Tebow in the lineup. While I understand how some of the over the top Tebow euphoria gets annoying. It gets just as irritating after listening to years of this team isn't losing because of the QB, its the lack of a running game and solid D. Now, according to some we're winning inspite of the QB due to the D and running game.

I was just using Peter Kings interview to illustrate how the media and fans (OP) can take things out of context.

AlphaSeirra
11-28-2011, 10:21 AM
I blame Florida, not the school. The state ;D
(only half joking here...)

Question: How much credit went to 'other players' back during Saint Johns day?

And in the Republic of Florida, the media (both + and -) has hounded Tebow since PeeWee football.

"He doesn't have the skill set to be a HS QB in monster tough Florida HS Football."

"His skill set will NEVER work at the D-1 level in college, especially not in the fast-tough SEC."

Frist Soph Heisman in College History.
2 SEC and BCS Championships.
Numerous NCAA, SEC, and UF Records later....

He'll never be a 1st round NFL draft pick, 3-4th round as a TE or FB maybe.

He'll never make a single start as an NFL QB.
If he tries to run the ball in the NFL like he has before, he'll fail and get killed.
He'll never win a game in the NFL, even if some idiot HBC starts him.

And on, and on, and on it goes.

Now, because he's doing well against all expection and without the kind of support that ANY other
1st Rnd QB has ever gotten,,,, he's going to be a locker-room distraction ???

Ha! This kind of chit will just never end I guess.... :thumbsup:

TonyR
11-28-2011, 10:25 AM
No worries, Willis. I got slammed on the Mane for suggesting after the Jets game that the defense deserved most of the credit. It's all good.

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 10:26 AM
No worries, Willis. I got slammed on the Mane for suggesting after the Jets game that the defense deserved most of the credit. It's all good.

Team sport

TonyR
11-28-2011, 10:35 AM
Team sport

Really?!? Question for you: did I use the word "most" or the word "all"?

AlphaSeirra
11-28-2011, 10:35 AM
The entire team is playing better, it's not about one individual, it's about all the moving parts working together for once.

Something we haven't seen in years.

And all of the CREDIT goes to the football genius combo of Elway/Fox.

After all, they are the ones that decided (not the fans) to put the QB with 'The Least Chance to Win' in the game.
You know, the QB with the weak inaccurate arm that can't read an NFL defense.
That guy that will get KILLED if he tries to run the ball against those BIG-STRONG-TOUGH NFL Defenses.

:spit: :clown: Ha! (signed, a no sense of humor Tebowite) :wiggle:

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 10:38 AM
Really?!? Question for you: did I use the word "most" or the word "all"?

Um, most?

95 yard drive and pick 6 bout fifty fifty though imo

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 10:40 AM
Question: How much credit went to 'other players' back during Saint Johns day?

And in the Republic of Florida, the media (both + and -) has hounded Tebow since PeeWee football.

"He doesn't have the skill set to be a HS QB in monster tough Florida HS Football."

"His skill set will NEVER work at the D-1 level in college, especially not in the fast-tough SEC."

Frist Soph Heisman in College History.
2 SEC and BCS Championships.
Numerous NCAA, SEC, and UF Records later....

He'll never be a 1st round NFL draft pick, 3-4th round as a TE or FB maybe.

He'll never make a single start as an NFL QB.
If he tries to run the ball in the NFL like he has before, he'll fail and get killed.
He'll never win a game in the NFL, even if some idiot HBC starts him.

And on, and on, and on it goes.

Now, because he's doing well against all expection and without the kind of support that ANY other
1st Rnd QB has ever gotten,,,, he's going to be a locker-room distraction ???

Ha! This kind of chit will just never end I guess.... :thumbsup:

You should stick to poachin gaters.

DenverBrit
11-28-2011, 10:59 AM
And all of the CREDIT goes to the football genius combo of Elway/Fox.

After all, they are the ones that decided (not the fans) to put the QB with 'The Least Chance to Win' in the game.
You know, the QB with the weak inaccurate arm that can't read an NFL defense.
That guy that will get KILLED if he tries to run the ball against those BIG-STRONG-TOUGH NFL Defenses.

:spit: :clown: Ha! (signed, a no sense of humor Tebowite) :wiggle:

Yeah, whatever.

Boobs McGee
11-28-2011, 12:35 PM
I was just using Peter Kings interview to illustrate how the media and fans (OP) can take things out of context.

A completely different interview, and I took things out of context? Go back and read my original post. I took a video from a post game interview, and reacted to it. Holy **** you people are unbelievable. This was a thread started to see what other people thought of possible long term effects in the locker room because of the media's handling of our situation. I don't even know why the **** I'm trying to explain this again, because apparently no one understands my question.

whatever. Go Broncos.

errand
11-28-2011, 12:44 PM
My question - Is this a sentiment that is going to be amplified/echoed as the season progresses? Is the locker room going to get rumblings as the national media infatuation with Tebow continues? Could the fact that focus is being taken away from the other facets of each game on a regular basis eventually cause a fissure amongst players?

I hope not, but hearing this kind of stuff gets me a little worried.

All you hear, when talking about our organization, is "Tebow moves to 5-1" "Can Tebow continue the winning streak against _____" etc etc. At what point do players (there are a LOT of ego's in that locker room btw, no matter how much we love them) start to get pissed when the focus isn't on the team?
Thoughts?

I'd be worried too...the Tebowites with their billboards, and the media with their 'Tebow" stories could make others question if their hard work is being noticed....

Tom Jackson also commented on this somewhat....

He said that Tebow fans need to be careful because if the Broncos bring in someone else to compete for the starter's gig either via draft or FA, and they start the same **** they did with Orton by putting up billboards and stuff, that Tebow may be the victim of their misguided hero-worship as the FO will say "We're not gonna have this **** happen again", and then he's getting picked up off the waiver wire.

I think that the message Willis made was aimed at the media, not to Tebow.

Tebow has been nothing but gracious saying the team has overcome obstacles, and have worked together to get back into the race...because Tim knows someone caught his passes, threw a block or two, had 117 yards rushing, and sacked rivers a time or two, etc....

cutthemdown
11-28-2011, 01:00 PM
How come no one gets upset when brady gets all the credit in NE?

errand
11-28-2011, 01:13 PM
Could you show us on the doll where Tim Tebow touched you?

Ok, i'm sorry, but that's funny...i don't care who you are

TonyR
11-28-2011, 01:14 PM
How come no one gets upset when brady gets all the credit in NE?

Their defense isn't very good. Meanwhile, Brady put up 38 points yesterday before sitting down and letting his backup mop up.

errand
11-28-2011, 01:17 PM
The entire team is playing better, it's not about one individual, it's about all the moving parts working together for once.

Something we haven't seen in years.

so let me guess...Tim Tebow = Jimmy Chitwood?

TonyR
11-28-2011, 01:19 PM
Um, most?

95 yard drive and pick 6 bout fifty fifty though imo

Defense shut the Jets down all night. Offense did a lot of 3 and outs despite being handed great field position. Good opening drive, great closing drive, next to nothing in between. Facts are your friend.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 01:22 PM
Defense shut the Jets down all night. Offense did a lot of 3 and outs despite being handed great field position. Good opening drive, great closing drive, next to nothing in between. Facts are your friend.

And this has nothing to do with the fact that we kept going run, run, run or run, run, pass when our run game was getting absolutely stuffed right? It was just Tebow sucking... ::)

Dedhed
11-28-2011, 01:24 PM
How come no one gets upset when brady gets all the credit in NE?

Aaron Rodgers

Dedhed
11-28-2011, 01:25 PM
Defense shut the Jets down all night. Offense did a lot of 3 and outs despite being handed great field position. Good opening drive, great closing drive, next to nothing in between. Facts are your friend.

Give it a rest. We're 5-1 with Tebow. We're terrible without him. Spin it all you want, but that's the only fact that matters.

strafen
11-28-2011, 01:27 PM
The entire team is playing better, it's not about one individual, it's about all the moving parts working together for once.

Something we haven't seen in years.I agree. We should've kept Orton, bench Tebow, and see if Orton playing right now would've had the same effect on the team...

:wiggle:

TonyR
11-28-2011, 01:29 PM
It was just Tebow sucking... ::)

Where did anyone other than you say anything about Tebow sucking?

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 01:30 PM
Defense shut the Jets down all night. Offense did a lot of 3 and outs despite being handed great field position. Good opening drive, great closing drive, next to nothing in between. Facts are your friend.

Ohhh the vaunted jets offense

Gimme a break. This was going to be a defensive game from start to finish

Our D deserves tons of credit after the untimely mcgahee fumble in our own field position that much is for sure

TonyR
11-28-2011, 01:31 PM
Give it a rest. We're 5-1 with Tebow. We're terrible without him. Spin it all you want, but that's the only fact that matters.

Ded, follow along with the discussion. This is the topic. If you don't like it, read another thread. I'm not criticizing your boy crush, just posting facts. Either refute them or stfu. Either way, stop your crying.

DenverBrit
11-28-2011, 01:32 PM
so let me guess...Tim Tebow = Jimmy Chitwood?

Why not, though Tim actually exists. ;D

John Fox = Gene Hackman?

TonyR
11-28-2011, 01:33 PM
Ohhh the vaunted jets offense

Gimme a break. This was going to a be defensive game from start to finish

So then the defense didn't shut the Jets down? What is your point here, exactly? Are you arguing that the offense has been better than the defense the last two weeks? If so, you may want to reconsider your stance.

lolcopter
11-28-2011, 01:36 PM
So then the defense didn't shut the Jets down? What is your point here, exactly? Are you arguing that the offense has been better than the defense the last two weeks? If so, you may want to reconsider your stance.

Did the offense score the game winning touchdown or not?

Alrighty then. Team game, that's all. Hats off to the D, special teams, and offense all around

TonyR
11-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Team game, that's all. Hats off to the D, special teams, and offense all around

Now this we can agree on! See, we're really on the same side.

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 01:47 PM
How come no one gets upset when brady gets all the credit in NE?

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady did not receive all the credit in new england his first year he played. As you may recall the Pats ran out of the tunnel for the super bowl against the rams as one big team, in a effort to show their Team unity. Tom Brady won the Super Bowl MVP because they couldn't give it to the entire defense, and wouldn't give it to a kicker. As the super bowls added up, Brady began breaking records, several veterans retired, he became a leader, and Belichick ushered him as a great one, he over time began to get all the credit. He is winning despite a terrible defense. He is a league and super bowl MVP.

Aaron Rodgers was considered an injury prone bum by many in Green Bay at the time of Favre's departure. He defeated his doubters with several years of solid play backed up by stats and success. He is widely know for throwing to every single receiver on his team. He has little to no run game, so much of the game plan relies on him and his passing skills. If they lost him they would be stuck with matt flynn. They would not survive. Oh and he is a super bowl MVP.. This year his team is undefeated and he is going to the be MVP.

Tebow has never led the league in anything, he has never been MVP, he has never been in a super bowl. He is not a team captain. This is his second year. In life you have to earn things. He has not earned Brady or Rodgers status... Will he? maybe....

errand
11-28-2011, 02:06 PM
While I agree with pretty much everything you've posted, I think its more than a coincidence that all our improvements have come now that we have a new QB. Turnovers are huge on the defensive turnaround and the running game improvement is definitely a result of Tebow in the lineup. While I understand how some of the over the top Tebow euphoria gets annoying. It gets just as irritating after listening to years of this team isn't losing because of the QB, its the lack of a running game and solid D. Now, according to some we're winning inspite of the QB due to the D and running game.

You got some points...but the fact is this defense started playing better prior to Tebow becoming the QB...afterall Orton, who had been generally a low turnover play it safe QB uncharacteristically turned the ball over numerous times in the first 4.5 games....

and while you cannot discount Tebow not turning it over with helping the defense out, the return to health of DJ and Doom has been critical in the D taking that bigger step to the level they're playing at right now.


Case in point -

Andre Goodman and Champ Bailey had zero INT's prior to DJ and Doom returning to lineup..since then they have combined for 3.

Brian Dawkins had zero sacks and only 1 pass defensed (PD's) prior to their return as well....because we couldn't generate a pass rush in the first 4 games, he had to stay back in coverage, and couldn't help out in run support or blitzing...he's had 2 sacks and 5 PD's since.


Prior to the return of Doom and Williams to 100% health the only guy rushing the passer was Miller who has 4 of his 10.5 sacks before SD....the team as a whole only had 8 sacks in the first 4.5 games....that's 8 of the 30 we've had as a team.

So in 6.5 games since they were both 100% healthy we've averaged 3.4 sacks per game vs. 1.7 per game in the previous 4.5...doubled our sacks per game....and while i'm sure the guys on D love Timmy, this has more to do with the defense being healthy and having the best 11 on the field now.

Prior to the return of DJ and Doom, Bunkley had all of 7 tackles...he's had 20 since....because opposing OL has to account for Doom and Miller both.

Ayers and DJ Williams had no sacks prior to the first SD game and Doom had none until the 2nd Raiders game if memory serves me right....

DJ didn't even come back until the Packers game, while Mays played admirably, it's a big drop off in talent between DJ and Kamikaze Joe, who had zero sacks

Not saying that having a mistake free Qb doesn't help, because it does....but to say this just happened all because of Tebow is incorrect too.

errand
11-28-2011, 02:11 PM
Did the offense score the game winning touchdown or not?

But if not for Goodman's pick 6...it wouldn't have been the winning TD...it would have been a garbage time TD

Alrighty then. Team game, that's all. Hats off to the D, special teams, and offense all around

Agreed



in bold

errand
11-28-2011, 02:12 PM
Um, most?

95 yard drive and pick 6 bout fifty fifty though imo

Field position game is dependent on a good defense as much as it is a turnover free O and special teams...Tebow and O were living at or near the 50 for damn near the entire game

errand
11-28-2011, 02:17 PM
How come no one gets upset when brady gets all the credit in NE?

Because there's no I in Tom?


Tom has been the one constant in his team's fortunes....

You clowns are in here saying Tebow is the big reason we've won 6 of his nine starts and 5 of his last 6....well prior to Major Tom starting for NE they won what?

He's done it regardless of the turnover at RB..WR...OL...Defense, coaching staff, etc....

When Tim accomplishes half of what Tom has, then you'll not get one argument from anyone over "Timmy this and Timmy that"..

edog24
11-28-2011, 02:21 PM
Because there's no I in Tom?


Tom has been the one constant in his team's fortunes....

You clowns are in here saying Tebow is the big reason we've won 6 of his nine starts and 5 of his last 6....well prior to Major Tom starting for NE they won what?

He's done it regardless of the turnover at RB..WR...OL...Defense, coaching staff, etc....

When Tim accomplishes half of what Tom has, then you'll not get one argument from anyone over "Timmy this and Timmy that"..

Well, one issue is that a piece of crap who could throw good spirals but laid down in the pocket and could throw awesome pick sixes was giving us the best chance to win the game, at least according to the FO and the media.

errand
11-28-2011, 02:22 PM
Why not, though Tim actually exists. ;D

John Fox = Gene Hackman?

Well he's no Norman Dale...although he's definitely caught alot of flak like Norm had

errand
11-28-2011, 02:29 PM
Well, one issue is that a piece of crap who could throw good spirals but laid down in the pocket and could throw awesome pick sixes was giving us the best chance to win the game, at least according to the FO and the media.

And the FO resolved that issue by benching him, and eventually releasing him, did they not?

Orton is no longer a Bronco....he's someone else's problem now

Careful what you wish for due...giving timmy all the credit for the win will lead to him unjustly getting all the blame if we lose a few games....just like they did the other guy you're still bitching about who's not played a in 6.5 games....

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 03:06 PM
No worries, Willis. I got slammed on the Mane for suggesting after the Jets game that the defense deserved most of the credit. It's all good.

No, you got slammed because you are a hater.

KO5K
11-28-2011, 03:21 PM
You clowns are in here saying Tebow is the big reason we've won 6 of his nine starts and 5 of his last 6....well prior to Major Tom starting for NE they won what?

Right.......

And we had won what before Tebow started?

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 03:27 PM
You got some points...but the fact is this defense started playing better prior to Tebow becoming the QB...afterall Orton, who had been generally a low turnover play it safe QB uncharacteristically turned the ball over numerous times in the first 4.5 games....

There is some truth to this. I know that their points allowed totals (30th or so) contrasted with their yards allowed (22nd or so), and that had a lot to do with Orton's turnovers.

Inkana7
11-28-2011, 03:45 PM
No, you got slammed because you are a hater.

Weird.

Tombstone RJ
11-28-2011, 04:04 PM
NOPE. Just telling the truth. We are winning despite Tebow. With just about any other qb and our D the way its playing, we should be putting teams away in 4th qtr not trying to tie or final drive come back.

see post #8 on the first page of this thread. Check out the last paragraph because it's all about you brosef.

TonyR
11-28-2011, 04:13 PM
No, you got slammed because you are a hater.

So then by your logic Willis McGahee is a "hater". Fail.

bombay
11-28-2011, 04:20 PM
Elway is a hater. Sharpe is a hater. Fox is a hater. McCoy is obviously a hater. Big Al is a hater. Schlereth is a hater.

Anyone who has any question at all about Tebow is a hater. I need to see this work for a lot longer than six games. Kyle Orton won his first six Bronco games, and the defense didn't look like this. It's odd how Tebow sits by himself on the sideline. I don't know if he needs to do that to focus, if he doesn't want guys bugging him, or if no one wants to sit there.

db56
11-28-2011, 04:30 PM
Willis sounded a little jelous and should have handled it differently imo. Tebow always mentions his teamates during every interview.

they can say what they want LOL! IMHO, none of this would be happening without #15...

Jay3
11-28-2011, 04:51 PM
It's odd how Tebow sits by himself on the sideline. I don't know if he needs to do that to focus, if he doesn't want guys bugging him, or if no one wants to sit there.

Good grief. What, are we at the prom here?

Gort
11-28-2011, 04:56 PM
Good grief. What, are we at the prom here?

Tebow farts alot. too many burritos. that's why his teammates avoid him on the bench. true story.

Rolandftw
11-28-2011, 04:58 PM
Again, not a very big deal. I'm sure some Bronco players are tired of hearing how Tebow has went 5-1 in his last six starts though. Considering it's a team game, supposedly...

fdf
11-28-2011, 05:43 PM
I think "team" is a euphemism for "Willis McGahee"

LOL. Next interview they should ask him:

Q: "Is 'team' a euphemism for 'Willis McGahee'?"

A: "HAM"

Cito Pelon
11-28-2011, 06:03 PM
Tempest in a teacup.

broncolife
11-28-2011, 06:57 PM
I just saw a clip of Sanders and Irvin Defending Tebow. Before that they were showing highlights of the game and it led you to believe it was all Tebow that won the game at the end. They showed the long catch by decker and after that they showed the game winning field goal acting like Tebows long pass setup up the win.

Inkana7
11-28-2011, 07:00 PM
omg the media i hates it

brb watching nfl live

errand
11-28-2011, 07:25 PM
Right.......

And we had won what before Tebow started?

Well let's see the broncos have won 6 american football conference titles... 2 nfl titles.... several afc west titles.

So you wanna bust a nut over being 6-3 in Tebow's first 9 nfl starts...... keep it in petspective dude...Orton was 8-4 in his first 12 broncos starts....