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epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 05:19 PM
He's making a legit argument...a huge part of the Denver turnaround. Is anyone playing better?

theAPAOps5
11-27-2011, 05:19 PM
Easily, at least it should be

RhymesayersDU
11-27-2011, 05:20 PM
The only other mention I've heard is the guy from San Fran, I forget his name but he may be in the mix since they're one of the best teams in the league.

But Miller should get it. He will for sure if he breaks that sack record.

beardedwonder
11-27-2011, 05:20 PM
double digit sacks and a couple of tfl every game.. is there anyone else even close?

Kaylore
11-27-2011, 05:20 PM
Ha! I started a similar thread. He should get some votes, but I doubt he gets it. When's the last time a rookie won the award?

SoCalBronco
11-27-2011, 05:20 PM
He should be first team All-Pro. No question. DPOY will be tough to win as a rookie, but its possible.

KevinJames
11-27-2011, 05:20 PM
yes!

btw epic no need for the neg rep I was being sarcastic in that thread lol

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 05:22 PM
The only other mention I've heard is the guy from San Fran, I forget his name but he may be in the mix since they're one of the best teams in the league.

But Miller should get it. He will for sure if he breaks that sack record.

Not rookie of the year, but Defensive Player of the Year. :)

theAPAOps5
11-27-2011, 05:23 PM
I still think easily, but yeah being a rookie will make him get DROY instead and someone else will get DPOY.

Next year :)

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 05:23 PM
Is anyone else even close at this point? Dude just topped 10 sacks on the season with five game to go...

Edit: Oh you said player and not rookie. No, no chance. Too many established players having huge years this year.

Man-Goblin
11-27-2011, 05:23 PM
DROY definitely. DPOY will be tough. Hell, we learned that lesson when Champ should have won going away in 2005.

It will be interesting to see if the press is even aware enough to make him 1st team all pro. That's an absolute no brainer to me.

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 05:23 PM
Ware is a beast, but I think von does more overall.

And Von is clutch like a mother. Plays huge on big downs. That tack for loss saved/won the game for us.

Again....

His tack for loss WON THE GAME.


HIS TACK FOR LOSS WON THE GAME!!!!

gyldenlove
11-27-2011, 05:24 PM
As I said earlier, he has the defensive ROY locked up already unless he goes rapey on a 13 year old. He is a monster and there is nobody out there who hasn't noticed, what he did to Sanchez on a national stage was a huge statement. He is 1 sack from setting an all time Broncos rookie record, and 4 sacks from setting the all time NFL rookie record (he just has to keep up his 1 sack per game pace and he will beat them).

As for DPOY, it will be Demarcus Ware unless Miller has multi sack games from here on in.

Cam Newton will walk away with the offensive ROY award in a landslide, even though Dalton and AJ Green have both been outstanding.

Williams
11-27-2011, 05:24 PM
And to think I wanted to trade down and draft Fairley. Boy was I wrong. Miller is making a great argument for DPoY, for certain.

Tebow time & Miller time! I love it!!

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 05:24 PM
He should be first team All-Pro. No question. DPOY will be tough to win as a rookie, but its possible.

These things are usually a little political, so a guy who has "put in the time" will probably get it. However, I cant think of another guy who is having as big of an impact defensively as Von. There is a direct correlation between his improvement and the improvement of both our run and pass defense.

He's having an incredible season.

Props to Doom today too for another excellent day. He's getting healthy.

Swedish Extrovert
11-27-2011, 05:25 PM
I haven't followed all the teams closely enough, but this is the best season I've seen from a defensive Broncos in a long time. So if there is a case for a Bronco being DPOY, this is it.

Bronco Boy
11-27-2011, 05:25 PM
Von will get one soon. Not this year though.

RhymesayersDU
11-27-2011, 05:26 PM
Not rookie of the year, but Defensive Player of the Year. :)

Yep, totally missed that. Don't know about overall DPOY, but DROY is there for the taking.

Ratboy
11-27-2011, 05:27 PM
MVP?

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 05:28 PM
This isn't a rhetorical question, but is anyone having this much of an impact defensively?

I know that there have to be other excellent performances out there, but I'm not really seeing any better than Von just from a cursory glance.

Patrick Willis?

Derrell Revis is not exactly setting the world on fire.

Jared Allen is having a monster year, but his team and their defense generally sucks.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 05:28 PM
And to think I wanted to trade down and draft Fairley. Boy was I wrong. Miller is making a great argument for DPoY, for certain.

Tebow time & Miller time! I love it!!

Miller is great example of just taking best player available rather than focusing too much on need. What's remarkable is that the guy is actually turning in a great year all around, not just in sacks.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 05:29 PM
This isn't a rhetorical question, but is anyone having this much of an impact defensively?

I know that there have to be other excellent performances out there, but I'm not really seeing any better than Von just from a cursory glance.

Patrick Willis?

Derrell Revis is not exactly setting the world on fire.

Jared Allen is having a monster year, but his team and their defense generally sucks.

Demarcus Ware.

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-27-2011, 05:34 PM
Ware has been disappearing for long stretches. Not saying Von should beat him out for DPOY, but I've lost account of Ware several times while watching the Cowgirls this season.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 05:35 PM
Ware has been disappearing for long stretches. Not saying Von should beat him out for DPOY, but I've lost account of Ware several times while watching the Cowgirls this season.

Oh don't get me wrong, I think Miller is having a better season overall, but he's a rookie so he needs to blow everyone out of the water to have a realistic shot. I don't see that happening.

Ziggy
11-27-2011, 05:36 PM
Demarcus Ware or Jared Allen.

Swedish Extrovert
11-27-2011, 05:38 PM
I don't think they'd give it to a rook.

Drek
11-27-2011, 05:41 PM
Not rookie of the year, but Defensive Player of the Year. :)

You know his statement still works right?

A lot of people have Justin Smith, 49ers DE, as their DPOY.

If Smith does win DPOY though that might help Miller beat out Aldon Smith for DROY, as the voters might be hesitant to fork over that much hardware to one team's defense.

mwill07
11-27-2011, 05:42 PM
I actually look forward to watching the D as much or more than I do the offense, despite all of the Tebow drama. Von Miller has made watching football for 60 minutes fun again.

IHaveALight
11-27-2011, 05:43 PM
And to think I wanted to trade down and draft Fairley. Boy was I wrong. Miller is making a great argument for DPoY, for certain.

Tebow time & Miller time! I love it!!

That's a good idea for fan signs. Have one fan hold up a sign that says Time and the fan to his right can have a sign that says Tebow on one side, Miller on the other and he just flips it around depending on if the offense or defense are on the field.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 05:44 PM
Von is the real deal and it's not silly to talk about him for all the awards and it's crazy how good this kid is already...

Dude may be best player on our team and on espn they was saying after the game that our D is as good as any in the league at this point in the season and compared us to the Ravens as for as being able to get to the Qb on passing downs and collapse the pocket...


It's fun being a Broncos fan right now , so much potential.

extralife
11-27-2011, 05:49 PM
It goes to Patrick Willis. I said weeks ago that Miller was in line for first team all pro, though. I hope they don't **** that up.

edit: then again, first team all pro outside linebacker might be tough. you've got Ware and Terrell Suggs to deal with, along with Hey, Their Teams Are Good votes for Matthews and Harrison.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 05:54 PM
DPOY is Jared Allen at this point. The man is putting up a record setting year, not streaky like Ware, and is basically doing it by himself.

Broncos_OTM
11-27-2011, 06:06 PM
You know his statement still works right?

A lot of people have Justin Smith, 49ers DE, as their DPOY.

If Smith does win DPOY though that might help Miller beat out Aldon Smith for DROY, as the voters might be hesitant to fork over that much hardware to one team's defense.

I dont think Von has competition for DROY ... DPOY he has mad e some many crucial plays. at crucial times. im sincere when i say it would be a crime to not give it to him at this point

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 06:12 PM
He was benched again for haggan for being out of position yet again, as matthews ran wild to our left. Great to see him come back and take over the 2nd half.

Drek
11-27-2011, 07:01 PM
I dont think Von has competition for DROY ... DPOY he has mad e some many crucial plays. at crucial times. im sincere when i say it would be a crime to not give it to him at this point

Miller has been pulling away from Aldon Smith and Ryan Kerrigan for DROY the last few weeks but if he lags and Smith has a strong late push he could lose it easily. Smith is getting way more attention since the 49ers are a hot team right now. Everyone wanting to give Justin Smith DPOY though could give Miller a bit of PR help.

Tim
11-27-2011, 07:04 PM
he'll be an allpro Sam LB but there is no way he wins DPOY. DROY, absolutely, but thats it. IF Champ got hosed in 06 after that season then Von can get 2 sacks and 10 tackles in every game for the rest of the year and he'll get stiffed.

In my opinion its Jared Allen but since his team sucks I could see Patrick Willis

OrangeSe7en
11-27-2011, 07:14 PM
One thing that I havent seen mentioned, which should help Von is how much our defense has improved. He's our best player on the defense and wasn't on the team last year, so he's going to get a lot of credit when it comes to the turn around. I realize we also have Doom back and an Allen but Von is a real difference maker and I think he will be the first reason people will think of when it comes to the turn around.

The Niners were already a good defense last year.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 07:56 PM
Von is the real deal and it's not silly to talk about him for all the awards and it's crazy how good this kid is already...

Dude may be best player on our team and on espn they was saying after the game that our D is as good as any in the league at this point in the season and compared us to the Ravens as for as being able to get to the Qb on passing downs and collapse the pocket...


It's fun being a Broncos fan right now , so much potential.

May be the best player on our team? He has been for a while...i dont think its close.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 07:58 PM
Miller has been pulling away from Aldon Smith and Ryan Kerrigan for DROY the last few weeks but if he lags and Smith has a strong late push he could lose it easily. Smith is getting way more attention since the 49ers are a hot team right now. Everyone wanting to give Justin Smith DPOY though could give Miller a bit of PR help.

That guy over at Pro Football Focus is probably having a heart attack right now. I havent really watched much of Aldon Smith, but according to that guys rookie rankings, Miller laps the field.

gyldenlove
11-27-2011, 08:10 PM
That guy over at Pro Football Focus is probably having a heart attack right now. I havent really watched much of Aldon Smith, but according to that guys rookie rankings, Miller laps the field.

Miller laps the field for DROY, I don't know anyone right now who doesn't have him as run away DROY, he has kept up his pace on sacks and added tackles for loss in the run game and that huge game he had on national TV and AFC defensive player of the week award really hammered it home.

He could be on his way to being a truly special player.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:17 PM
dPoy?!?!?!

No. Not even close.

Needs to be a 3 down player before he should even garner a glimpse of consideration.

As is:

Ware, Allen, Woodson, Willis, Revis, Weddle, etc all are out performing him.

And then some.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:27 PM
dPoy?!?!?!

No. Not even close.

Needs to be a 3 down player before he should even garner a glimpse of consideration.

As is:

Ware, Allen, Woodson, Willis, Revis, Weddle, etc all are out performing him.

And then some.

I dunno, man. The broncos defense is suddenly good and he's the reason why. He consistently makes big plays, is doing a good job in both the run and pass. Sure, he'll lose contain sometimes, but no one gets it right 100 percent of the time.

Teams have to play us completely diff cuz of Von Miller.

Weddle? c'mon.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:31 PM
I dunno, man. The broncos defense is suddenly good and he's the reason why. He consistently makes big plays, is doing a good job in both the run and pass. Sure, he'll lose contain sometimes, but no one gets it right 100 percent of the time.

Teams have to play us completely diff cuz of Von Miller.

Weddle? c'mon.

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

He's not even a 3 down player FFS.

Haggan splits time with him.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 08:32 PM
I dunno, man. The broncos defense is suddenly good and he's the reason why. He consistently makes big plays, is doing a good job in both the run and pass. Sure, he'll lose contain sometimes, but no one gets it right 100 percent of the time.

Teams have to play us completely diff cuz of Von Miller.

Weddle? c'mon.

I want to add, because of his speed Miller has come up with big stops that would turned into long gains. He has really helped our run defense.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:33 PM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

He's not even a 3 down player FFS.

Haggan splits time with him.

Every game or today? I honestly cannot believe you're hating on him.

And yes, teams definitely change the way they play because of our pass rush. And our pass rush is all about Von Miller.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:34 PM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

He's not even a 3 down player FFS.

Haggan splits time with him.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Miller is in on most defensive plays. He's been pulled here and there this year when he was failing to contain the run properly. He isn't taken out all the time. Not even close. And as far as it goes he's much more dynamic than the players you listed.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:35 PM
Every game or today? I honestly cannot believe you're hating on him.

And yes, teams definitely change the way they play because of our pass rush. And our pass rush is all about Von Miller.

"Hating on him"?!?!?!?!

Saying he's not the DPOY when he can't even play in every defensive package is now "hating on him"??!?!?!?

:spit:

WTF is going on here....

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:36 PM
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Miller is in on most defensive plays. He's been pulled here and there this year when he was failing to contain the run properly. He isn't taken out all the time. Not even close. And as far as it goes he's much more dynamic than the players you listed.

"Most defensive plays" = DPOY?

...and which player did I mention that he's "more dynamic than"?

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 08:36 PM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

He's not even a 3 down player FFS.

Haggan splits time with him.

Haggan doesnt split time with him. Haggan comes in when Von plays stupid like he did today crashing in as the chiefs went wide and he didnt contain and ditched his responsibility, but once he came back that was it.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:36 PM
As it is I believe Haggan has 6 total tackles this season. Yeah he's coming in for Miller all the time... ::)

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:37 PM
Haggan doesnt split time with him. Haggan comes in when Von plays stupid like he did today crashing in as the chiefs went wide and he didnt contain and ditched his responsibility, but once he came back that was it.

Thank you for confirming Von was benched.

DPOY thread time?

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:38 PM
"Hating on him"?!?!?!?!

Saying he's not the DPOY when he can't even play in every defensive package is now "hating on him"??!?!?!?

:spit:

WTF is going on here....

Fine, "hating on him" was strong. But, if i recall, Haggan has only come in to replace him twice this year (I think?) He's been unreal.

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 08:38 PM
"Hating on him"?!?!?!?!

Saying he's not the DPOY when he can't even play in every defensive package is now "hating on him"??!?!?!?

:spit:

WTF is going on here....

Wtf is going on here?

You are wrong, yet again. He is a 3 down player, he only sits when he th ks up, and he doesnt split time. Lol.

Get a clue.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:39 PM
"Most defensive plays" = DPOY?

...and which player did I mention that he's "more dynamic than"?

Considering he's probably the most dynamic defensive player in the league right now I'm going to have to say all of them...

And just to be clear I don't necessarily think he deserves DPOY. I think he's had too many bad rookie moments (not many, but too many for that award). But at his best he's as good as any defender in the league right now.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:39 PM
Fine, "hating on him" was strong. But, if i recall, Haggan has only come in to replace him twice this year (I think?) He's been unreal.

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

Twice in week one?

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:40 PM
Considering he's probably the most dynamic defensive player in the league right now I'm going to have to say all of them...

And just to be clear I don't necessarily think he deserves DPOY. I think he's had too many bad rookie moments (not many, but too many for that award). But at his best he's as good as any defender in the league right now.

Please justify that statement.

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 08:40 PM
Ware, Allen, Woodson, Willis, Revis, Weddle, etc all are out performing him.

And then some.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/184045d1317218311-funny-strange-random-pics-serious.jpg

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 08:41 PM
Get the engines going soon, this thread is spiraling and could get ugly very soon...

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 08:41 PM
Thank you for confirming Von was benched.

DPOY thread time?

I threw water on this von love fest first, and if you wanna join in, fine, but use facts. He doesnt split time.

What game do you watch?

theAPAOps5
11-27-2011, 08:41 PM
Fine, "hating on him" was strong. But, if i recall, Haggan has only come in to replace him twice this year (I think?) He's been unreal.

Hagan replaced him several times today. Hagan replaced him for an entire half earlier.

Von has gotten much better against the run, light years better. But still in some key situations they go with the vet.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:42 PM
Thank you for confirming Von was benched.

DPOY thread time?

You said that he wasn't a 3 down player. Now you want to shift it to the couple times he's played like a rookie? I agree that he probably doesn't deserve the DPOY award because of some of his **** ups, but you are being intellectually dishonest at this point.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:42 PM
Hagan replaced him several times today. Hagan replaced him for an entire half earlier.

Von has gotten much better against the run, light years better. But still in many key situations they go with the vet.

again, 2 games right?

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:44 PM
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/184045d1317218311-funny-strange-random-pics-serious.jpg

Ware and Allen are beating him soundly in sacks and defensive stops.

Allen also has a pick to go along with it.

Willis has a couple more turnovers and 50% more tackles.

Woodson, Revis and Weddle are just flat out murdering him. More turnovers, scores, and impact all around.

Miller's certainly earned his right among the premier defensive players among the NFL ALREADY. And awesome on him.

But this is just retarded over-inflation.

theAPAOps5
11-27-2011, 08:45 PM
again, 2 games right?

It isn't a knock on him. He gets spelled by Hagan when tired and replaced by Hagan in certain situations, EVERY GAME.

Nothing wrong with that, dude is growing leaps and bounds. Way faster than any Rookie I have ever seen. But because he still has room to grow I think that is why Rev thinks he won't get DPOY.

I think he should be a lock for DROY

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:45 PM
You said that he wasn't a 3 down player. Now you want to shift it to the couple times he's played like a rookie? I agree that he probably doesn't deserve the DPOY award because of some of his **** ups, but you are being intellectually dishonest at this point.

...and how many games has he been benched on base downs now?

4 or 5? Maybe more?

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 08:46 PM
Von, plays in every package, is a 3 down player, and does not split time.

Rev is making up stuff yet again to justify talking out of his ass, again. Just like it's ok to breakdown on an angle tackle at the 5, lmfao.

Go to sleep Rev.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:46 PM
I threw water on this von love fest first, and if you wanna join in, fine, but use facts. He doesnt split time.

What game do you watch?

The ones that are actually shown. Apparently that's rare.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:46 PM
Please justify that statement.

All those players fit traditional molds for their positions. Miller on the other hand plays 4-3 SLB, is a speed rusher, and has the power to bull rush OTs at 240 lbs. He has shown an ability to penetrate on run plays and punish backs, and he rushes from every angle successfully. None of those players is anywhere close in the dynamic department. They may be better players, that's debatable, but they aren't as dynamic.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:47 PM
Von, plays in every package, is a 3 down player, and does not split time.

Rev is making up stuff yet again to justify talking out of his ass, again. Just like it's ok to breakdown on an angle tackle at the 5, lmfao.

Go to sleep Rev.

Right... Carter blows, right?

Guess what... we owe another win to his "breakdown" tackles and NOT over-aggression.

You don't know ****. Get over it.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:47 PM
Ware and Allen are beating him soundly in sacks and defensive stops.

Allen also has a pick to go along with it.

Willis has a couple more turnovers and 50% more tackles.

Woodson, Revis and Weddle are just flat out murdering him. More turnovers, scores, and impact all around.

Miller's certainly earned his right among the premier defensive players among the NFL ALREADY. And awesome on him.

But this is just retarded over-inflation.

Well, its hard to compare d-backs to front seven guys, but you're really going with the impact argument and not considering Miller? Do you recall how epically AWFUL our defense was last year? Is Miller not far and away the best player on our D? Those guys are all having great seasons, but if we are going on one players impact on a defense...i'm just sayin. He might not be DPOY, but he certainly deserves to be in the conversation.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:48 PM
All those players fit traditional molds for their positions. Miller on the other hand plays 4-3 SLB, is a speed rusher, and has the power to bull rush OTs at 240 lbs. He has shown an ability to penetrate on run plays and punish backs, and he rushes from every angle successfully. None of those players is anywhere close in the dynamic department. They may be better players, that's debatable, but they aren't as dynamic.

1. So now Miller gets bonus points for having a position invented for him instead of the merits of his play?

2. Ware and Woodson are so far from "traditional molds" it's ridiculous.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:48 PM
It isn't a knock on him. He gets spelled by Hagan when tired and replaced by Hagan in certain situations, EVERY GAME.

Nothing wrong with that, dude is growing leaps and bounds. Way faster than any Rookie I have ever seen. But because he still has room to grow I think that is why Rev thinks he won't get DPOY.

I think he should be a lock for DROY

He is a lock for DROY, its not even close.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:49 PM
...and how many games has he been benched on base downs now?

4 or 5? Maybe more?

Two as far as I'm aware. And today was was very brief. Not sure what games you've been watching.

KevinJames
11-27-2011, 08:49 PM
Just found out he leads the NFL in QB hits :strong:

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:50 PM
He is a lock for DROY, its not even close.

As well he should be.

dPoy is a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy different story and it's nothing shy of silly to claim it's not.

theAPAOps5
11-27-2011, 08:50 PM
He is a lock for DROY, its not even close.

Says us, but not says the entire country. Unless the fan voting has changed.

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 08:51 PM
Don't really care about these awards, as at a minimum, there's already so much bias against any player that doesn't play on the east coast, in addition to what is done on the field.

Just so happy that we got a player of his caliber with our pick. With how much of a crapshoot the draft is at all selections, it's nice to walk away with the 2nd overall choice being not only an impact player, but the best player on our team. Feels good man.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:52 PM
Two as far as I'm aware. And today was was very brief. Not sure what games you've been watching.

You should watch more. He's closer to two that he hasn't been sat situationally.

Once again... this is NOT A KNOCK ON MILLER you rabid little douches. This is reality. It's a steep learning curve and he's doing phenomenally with what's on his plate.

AS OF NOW (per the ****ing thread terms) he's no where near DPOY. Certainly has the ability to bring several of these home to Denver, but the time is definitely not now. If you think otherwise, you're smoking some good stuff.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:52 PM
1. So now Miller gets bonus points for having a position invented for him instead of the merits of his play?

2. Ware and Woodson are so far from "traditional molds" it's ridiculous.

Guess you missed my point. I'm saying he does more things well from more angles and spots on the field, and is therefore more dynamic. Just like a mobile QB that can run and pass is more dynamic than a QB that can pass alone. Being more dynamic doesn't mean he's straight up better. That's not my point.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:53 PM
Guess you missed my point. I'm saying he does more things well from more angles and spots on the field, and is therefore more dynamic. Just like a mobile QB that can run and pass is more dynamic than a QB that can pass alone. Being more dynamic doesn't mean he's straight up better. That's not my point.

Try and justify that with anything remotely resembling facts.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:53 PM
Says us, but not says the entire country. Unless the fan voting has changed.

I suppose he could get jobbed, but who the heck are the other candidates.

I really like this site. Check out this article

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/23/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-the-pace-slows/

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:54 PM
You should watch more. He's closer to two that he hasn't been sat situationally.

Once again... this is NOT A KNOCK ON MILLER you rabid little douches. This is reality. It's a steep learning curve and he's doing phenomenally with what's on his plate.

AS OF NOW (per the ****ing thread terms) he's no where near DPOY. Certainly has the ability to bring several of these home to Denver, but the time is definitely not now. If you think otherwise, you're smoking some good stuff.

We agree that he doesn't really deserve DPOY. But your assessment of him is straight up off in a lot of ways. But then again you would trade him for Patrick Peterson even now, so moving on...

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 08:54 PM
ALso, as shown, as of last week, he had 625 snaps...thats a full time player.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 08:55 PM
We agree that he doesn't really deserve DPOY. But your assessment of him is straight up off in a lot of ways. But then again you would trade him for Patrick Peterson even now, so moving on...

Give examples?

theAPAOps5
11-27-2011, 08:57 PM
I suppose he could get jobbed, but who the heck are the other candidates.

I really like this site. Check out this article

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/23/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-the-pace-slows/

The Rookie in San Fransisco was considered a front runner with him.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Try and justify that with anything remotely resembling facts.

I've already given you facts. He rushes effectively from both sides and inside. He plays traditional 4-3 Sam and covers and plays the run well for the most part (though not as well as his pass rushing). He can blow away blockers with pure speed or effectively bull rush OTs that are 60+ pounds heavier than him. He is pretty much the very definition of dynamic. Care to provide anything remotely resembling facts that show he isn't more dynamic than the guys you listed?

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:59 PM
Give examples?

"He isn't even a 3 down player." ::)

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:00 PM
ALso, as shown, as of last week, he had 625 snaps...thats a full time player.

Does anyone other than Rev think otherwise?

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:00 PM
I've already given you facts. He rushes effectively from both sides and inside. He plays traditional 4-3 Sam and covers and plays the run well for the most part (though not as well as his pass rushing). He can blow away blockers with pure speed or effectively bull rush OTs that are 60+ pounds heavier than him. He is pretty much the very definition of dynamic. Care to provide anything remotely resembling facts that show he isn't more dynamic than the guys you listed?

Look at the bolded parts of your post and tell me who I mentioned that doesn't describe even better than it does Von Miller?

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:01 PM
"He isn't even a 3 down player." ::)

Take it up with Allen

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Ware and Allen are beating him soundly in sacks and defensive stops.

Allen also has a pick to go along with it.

Willis has a couple more turnovers and 50% more tackles.

Woodson, Revis and Weddle are just flat out murdering him. More turnovers, scores, and impact all around.

Miller's certainly earned his right among the premier defensive players among the NFL ALREADY. And awesome on him.

But this is just retarded over-inflation.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-87KclBYj8qQ/TXO19JVEloI/AAAAAAAADxU/Tbx7egjbvJU/triple+facepalm+poster.jpg

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:07 PM
Look at the bolded parts of your post and tell me who I mentioned that doesn't describe even better than it does Von Miller?

And if we only focus on the bolded sections the whole debate changes. Now we are looking at any all-pro 3-4 OLB. Miller does more and with greater dynamism in his hybrid SAM than any straight up 3-4 OLB. But again it seems you want to make this about how good players are, which was never my point.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:08 PM
[IMG]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-87KclBYj8qQ/TXO19JVEloI/AAAAAAAADxU/Tbx7egjbvJU/triple+facepalm+poster.jpg[IMG]

What do you disagree with Llama?

Seriously, I'm anxious for someone to bring something to the table factually in this discussion.

MILLER IS MY FAVORITE BRONCOS DEFENDER, but this **** going on in this thread is ridiculous. You'd think he was Reggie White in his prime.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:09 PM
And if we only focus on the bolded sections the whole debate changes. Now we are looking at any all-pro 3-4 OLB. Miller does more and with greater dynamism in his hybrid SAM than any straight up 3-4 OLB. But again it seems you want to make this about how good players are, which was never my point.

All I did was remove "4-3 Sam". AND I took out "plays the run well FOR THE MOST PART" because those others are better vs the run (ie: don't get benched, for one)

Get a reality check kiddo. Miller is amazing. Miller is NOT dPoy quality yet.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-27-2011, 09:10 PM
Take it up with Allen

His snap count is on par with other full time players.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 09:10 PM
What do you disagree with Llama?

Seriously, I'm anxious for someone to bring something to the table factually in this discussion.

MILLER IS MY FAVORITE BRONCOS DEFENDER, but this **** going on in this thread is ridiculous. You'd think he was Reggie White in his prime.



Calm down there pit bull ... Remember everyone is still in the post win glow. :clown:

I think we can all agree on this tho , out of any player Von's age there isn't many on D I can think of I'd rather have...

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 09:24 PM
Right... Carter blows, right?

Guess what... we owe another win to his "breakdown" tackles and NOT over-aggression.

You don't know ****. Get over it.

I dont know sht... Lmfao.

Did I say Carter blows, no he did on that one play.

You never break down on an angle tackle with a rec full speed, and then dont even bother to hit him, and he did not ” breakdown”, your lack of REAL FOOTBALL knowledge was exposed there.

Now this.



Von Miller splits time.

Von Miller isnt an everyddown player.

Von Miller isnt in every package.

Im so tough, I post my opinion and make up bs to defend it like the immature little boy I really am, I really dont know REAL FOOTBALL, but I sure sound tough on my message board.

Lmao.

Everytime you are wrong, you start making up bs to defend it. Classic delusional message board fan.

”carter wasnt afraid to hit reece, he was just... Um just.. Breaking down, yeah thats something guys do in football right? ”

Bwaahahaha

Von Miller isnt an everydown player now folks....And he splits time ....

Lol

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 09:26 PM
What do you disagree with Llama?

Seriously, I'm anxious for someone to bring something to the table factually in this discussion.

MILLER IS MY FAVORITE BRONCOS DEFENDER, but this **** going on in this thread is ridiculous. You'd think he was Reggie White in his prime.

You said "Weddle".

Everyone had a good laugh.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:27 PM
I dont know sht... Lmfao.

Did I say Carter blows, no he did on that one play.

You never break down on an angle tackle with a rec full speed, and then dont even bother to hit him, and he did not ” breakdown”, your lack of REAL FOOTBALL knowledge was exposed there.

Now this.



Lmao.

Everytime you are wrong, you atart making up bs to defend it. Classic delusional message board fan.

” carter wasnt afraid to hit reece, he was just... Um just.. Breaking down, yeah thats something guys do in football right? ”

Bwaahahaha

Von Miller isnt an everydown player now folks....And he splits time ....

Lol

Nice to see you getting obsessive again.

Go on more about how big of a "pussy" Carter is.

And then tell me more about how Miller isn't seeing the bench.

This is fascinating stuff. You should blog about it.

Well... you should blog about it if you knew English or football. Which you miss on both accounts so whatever.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:27 PM
You said "Weddle".

Everyone had a good laugh.

That's fair. He had a HUGE whiff today.

That being said, he's been one of the very few stalwarts and big players for SD so far this year from what I've seen.

vonqkilla
11-27-2011, 09:40 PM
Ok you busted me.

I was once again talking out of my ass when I said :

Von Miller isnt in every package . He is. I was lying to try and defend my idiotic takes, again.

Von Miller does not split time either, when I said that, again, I was lying. I dont know what else to do when I am wrong.

He was benched, like you Vonqkilla said first on this thread, but he isnt splitting snaps, I lied to try and make my point. I play real tough, but you know im not. All I have left now is personal insults. Im a sad little boy.

I accept your apology for making up lies to defend your view Von Miller isnt a DPOY.

No worries, you aint on my level son. Forgiven.

TheReverend
11-27-2011, 09:42 PM
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/0808/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg

I'd admire the tenacity if it weren't just SO ****ing wrong.

BroncoMan4ever
11-27-2011, 09:43 PM
He's making a legit argument...a huge part of the Denver turnaround. Is anyone playing better?

Miller is the undisputed Defensive Rookie of the Year, but for the NFL Defensive player of the year, it will most likely go to Jared Allen, who is having a monster season and has more name recognition in the league right now. however, if team records are put into consideration, Miller should get more notice simply because he is one of the main catalysts for why this team is out of the abyss and competing for the division crown.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 09:44 PM
That's fair. He had a HUGE whiff today.

That being said, he's been one of the very few stalwarts and big players for SD so far this year from what I've seen.

I will admit, I was blown away with his mentioning. I thought maybe I was overlooking him or something.

The others I agree with.

That One Guy
11-27-2011, 09:45 PM
And if we only focus on the bolded sections the whole debate changes. Now we are looking at any all-pro 3-4 OLB. Miller does more and with greater dynamism in his hybrid SAM than any straight up 3-4 OLB. But again it seems you want to make this about how good players are, which was never my point.

LOL

WTF is the point if it's not to compare how good players are? Are we discussing DPOY or a talent show?

OrangeSe7en
11-27-2011, 11:47 PM
I was just looking at the stats and Allen is the only one who is clearly ahead of Miller.

Of the top 5 sackers going into today, Miller is/was 1st in tackles, solo tackles, stuffs. He is tied for 1st in forced fumbles. The only one of the leading sackers with an INT is Allen.

Allen is 3rd in tackles, 4th in solo tackles, 2nd in stuffs, 1st in INTs, and tied for 1st in forced fumbles.

DBroncos4life
11-28-2011, 12:18 AM
The last rookie to have over 10 sacks through 11 games won the award. Just saying :thumbsup:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-28-2011, 01:11 AM
von for rookie and D player of the year and hope he keeps it up. i seen too many rookies go into the crapper after their first year ie croel

BroncoMan4ever
11-28-2011, 02:25 AM
von for rookie and D player of the year and hope he keeps it up. i seen too many rookies go into the crapper after their first year ie croel

if you just Croel Jinxed Miller with that remark, you deserve to be banished to hell, also known as Arrowhead Stadium where you must wear red and gold for the rest of your life watching mediocrity at its finest..

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-28-2011, 05:37 AM
lol i beg your forgiveness

TheReverend
11-28-2011, 05:47 AM
The last rookie to have over 10 sacks through 11 games won the award. Just saying :thumbsup:

Hmmmmm

Who?

strafen
11-28-2011, 05:52 AM
He's making a legit argument...a huge part of the Denver turnaround. Is anyone playing better?He's got it locked up!

TheChamp24
11-28-2011, 06:30 AM
I love me some Von.
A lot of talk about Revis winning though, and Ware's doing very well as well. If Miller goes on a tear coming up and finishes as the sack leader and picks up a couple more forced fumbles, then possibly he gets DPOY.
He needs to get up to like 18 sacks though.

TheReverend
11-28-2011, 06:41 AM
I love me some Von.
A lot of talk about Revis winning though, and Ware's doing very well as well. If Miller goes on a tear coming up and finishes as the sack leader and picks up a couple more forced fumbles, then possibly he gets DPOY.
He needs to get up to like 18 sacks though.

A lot of people have discounted Allen from serious contention due to his team's woes, so that's a good sign with Denver resurging.

Shotgun Willie
11-28-2011, 06:41 AM
A lot of talk about Revis winning though

Yesterday's outing against Stevie Johnson certainly didn't help HIS cause.

Agamemnon
11-28-2011, 06:46 AM
All I did was remove "4-3 Sam". AND I took out "plays the run well FOR THE MOST PART" because those others are better vs the run (ie: don't get benched, for one)

Get a reality check kiddo. Miller is amazing. Miller is NOT dPoy quality yet.

Not sure why you can't differentiate "dynamic" and "good", and I'm past caring.

TheReverend
11-28-2011, 06:48 AM
Not sure why you can't differentiate "dynamic" and "good", and I'm past caring.

Honestly, same here.

BabyTO
11-28-2011, 08:31 AM
didnt we bench him at some point this season because of how bad he was against the run :ouwknow:

no way he wins DPOY he's not well rounded. allen, suggs or ware will probably win it, they do everything almost at the highest level

vonqkilla
11-28-2011, 08:35 AM
didnt we bench him at some point this season because of how bad he was against the run :ouwknow:

no way he wins DPOY he's not well rounded. allen, suggs or ware will probably win it, they do everything almost at the highest level

He's a stud vs the run when he is disciplined. He makes rookie mistakes, loses his gap. Made up for it in 2nd half.

Not bad for a guy not playing in every package or even an everydown player... Pfffff

tsiguy96
11-28-2011, 08:36 AM
didnt we bench him at some point this season because of how bad he was against the run :ouwknow:

no way he wins DPOY he's not well rounded. allen, suggs or ware will probably win it, they do everything almost at the highest level

not well rounded? based on his last 3 games of run stopping, thats a silly statement. he may have saved the game yesterday with a 4 yard TFL to end the chargers drive. i think he was in on 10 tackles yesterday total.

vonqkilla
11-28-2011, 08:45 AM
not well rounded? based on his last 3 games of run stopping, thats a silly statement. he may have saved the game yesterday with a 4 yard TFL to end the chargers drive. i think he was in on 10 tackles yesterday total.

Check out his splits. Amazing 4th qtr production, when many KEY PLAYS are...apos...lol


He's blasted through the rookie wall, chart him, its going up up up.

What is lacking from Von?

Consistency and gap discipline.

Rookie stuff.

He is DPOY for our team.

BabyTO
11-28-2011, 12:29 PM
not well rounded? based on his last 3 games of run stopping, thats a silly statement. he may have saved the game yesterday with a 4 yard TFL to end the chargers drive. i think he was in on 10 tackles yesterday total.
the season is almost over and you're talking about the last 3 games and based on that he should win DPOY? you know what the Y in DPOY means? it doesnt mean "month".

look, he's playing really well right now. but both as a pass rusher and especially as a run stopper he's not as good as lets say ware, suggs and allen. he's not as well rounded, not sure what you're complaining about. those are the facts.

he'll probably win DROY, what else do you want. he probably doesnt even make it to the pro bowl and you think he'll win DPOY? do you remember the last time a rookie won DPOY? i dont think it ever happened, so get back to planet earth. theres a lot of guys that he has to beat, and i just mentioned some pass rushers. i didnt even get to the other positions (revis, willis etc)

DBroncos4life
11-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Hmmmmm

Who?

Peppers

DBroncos4life
11-28-2011, 10:52 PM
Hmmmmm

Who?

Sorry I thought this was a DRoy thread. Booze wins again lol

broncocalijohn
11-28-2011, 11:20 PM
Miller is great example of just taking best player available rather than focusing too much on need. What's remarkable is that the guy is actually turning in a great year all around, not just in sacks.

be fair to the question of Need or BPA. It wasn't like we were stacked at Linebacker and Miller wasnt being drafted as a wide receiver or running back. Anything of BPA and add to it In the Front Seven justifies the draft and signing of Von Miller.

mwill07
11-29-2011, 05:04 PM
Yesterday AM, I was listening to the local AM sports talk show here in Charlotte (610 the Fan). They were saying Miller is the best rookie of the class, even ahead of Cam. Pretty impressive praise in the heart of Panther country.

TDmvp
11-29-2011, 05:06 PM
Yesterday AM, I was listening to the local AM sports talk show here in Charlotte (610 the Fan). They were saying Miller is the best rookie of the class, even ahead of Cam. Pretty impressive praise in the heart of Panther country.


I live in Cincinnati and have heard about the same thing here with the local sports guys saying Von should probably win roty over Dalton.

Smilin Assassin
11-29-2011, 05:19 PM
Brian Billick may say yes (Per his Power Rankings that have us at #15):


Von Miller is making a case for Defensive Player of the Year, let alone Rookie of the Year. Let's face it, Tim Tebow has been a fun story, but it is this defense that is really winning them games. In the last three games, Tebow and the Broncos have averaged just 16 points, with a high of 17 points, and that won't win many games in the NFL.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings/?ocid=ansfox11

Turd_Ferguson
11-29-2011, 05:32 PM
If he some how manages to get a couple INTs at some point, gets double digit sacks, and gets his total tackle numbers up, who knows! I wonder if people will call him great, but one dimensional. I'm not saying he is, but if he boosts his coverage abilities he will be one of the best players in the league I think... He's already one of the best pass rushers this season.

bowtown
11-29-2011, 05:35 PM
If he wins it, hopefully he will recognize that he should split it with Tebow.