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TDmvp
11-27-2011, 06:03 PM
yes , no ?

(and I didn't want us to draft Tebow but am now glad he's ours for the record so everyone knows)

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 06:04 PM
Side note ... That lose may get Norv canned ...

fontaine
11-27-2011, 06:09 PM
Side note ... That lose may get Norv canned ...

I thought it was pretty funny how Rivers was on the sidlelines laughing it up with one of the OL on our game winning drive.

I don't think the team really gives a crap about Norv.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 06:10 PM
He keeps winning and making clutch plays I don't think they'll really have a choice...

oubronco
11-27-2011, 06:11 PM
He has the reins

DrFate
11-27-2011, 06:12 PM
He has the reins

Next year?

GreatBronco16
11-27-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't care what EFX or anyone on this board says otherwise, this is Tebows team.

Should be for next year too.

oubronco
11-27-2011, 06:14 PM
Next year?

He keeps winning you think they'll let him go?

barryr
11-27-2011, 06:14 PM
Tebow should, even before this win, no matter what happens the rest of the season. He needs a full training camp and they need some more weapons on offense too. No rookie QB they draft would be ready to start in the NFL anyway.

snowspot66
11-27-2011, 06:15 PM
Side note ... That lose may get Norv canned ...

Losing his entire offensive line might spare him.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 06:16 PM
I don't care what EFX or anyone on this board says otherwise, this is Tebows team.

Should be for next year too.

Seriously, how can anyone not think that a future with Tebow is as bright as the sun at this point? How?

epicSocialism4tw
11-27-2011, 06:17 PM
Tebow should, even before this win, no matter what happens the rest of the season. He needs a full training camp and they need some more weapons on offense too. No rookie QB they draft would be ready to start in the NFL anyway.

Tebow's the guy.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 06:17 PM
Losing his entire offensive line might spare him.



And those guys are major under achievers. Some will say that reflects on the coach but Norv didn't keep missing Wrs on 3rd down...


But you could make a case for firing or keeping him I agree. The talking head are already circling tho.

DrFate
11-27-2011, 06:18 PM
He keeps winning you think they'll let him go?

I've gone on record - I think Elway has decided and is going to draft a QB.

I suppose if Tebow runs the table he won't have a choice, though...

Looking at the schedule:
Vikings - winnable
Bears sans Cutler - winnable
Pats - cross fingers?
Bills - winnable
Chef - winnable

I guess there's time to force Elway to go a different direction. Keep it up, Tim

barryr
11-27-2011, 06:18 PM
Losing his entire offensive line might spare him.

Probably not since he has been on the hot seat before and if they don't make the playoffs, it would be hard to see them keeping him and their GM may be in trouble too. You can only be seen as a supposed Super Bowl contender so long(I think 3 years now) until you are expected to actually do it or you are gone no matter if legit excuses and reasons. It is just the realities of pro sports.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 06:24 PM
If they mess this up and don't let us at least see what the end of the story is , like I feel they did with Shanny/Jay I'm going to be crushed... And lets not talk about Cutler it was just a reference.


I mean no Super Bowl win is ever going to feel like how I felt during the back to backs I don't think...
But Jeez Tebow winning one against all the odds with John in the FO would be damn close.
Yea I know that's a dream , but I'd at least like to see how this plays out cause I doubt the kid gets worse... And him a little better in the pocket with all the other things he does could be insane.

But whatever happens what a ride this has been...

yerner
11-27-2011, 06:48 PM
They will create competition for Tebow using the draft. It would be irresponsible not to. He just has too many issues passing the football.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 06:52 PM
I've gone on record - I think Elway has decided and is going to draft a QB.

I suppose if Tebow runs the table he won't have a choice, though...

Looking at the schedule:
Vikings - winnable
Bears sans Cutler - winnable
Pats - cross fingers?
Bills - winnable
Chef - winnable

I guess there's time to force Elway to go a different direction. Keep it up, Tim

Elway doesn't have that kind of unilateral power. If we keep winning and Tebow keeps showing glimpses of greatness, I think even Elway will get vetoed by the rest of the organization on the matter. I mean do you think Joe Ellis and Pat Bowlen would let Elway throw away all the fan goodwill from Tebow's success, especially when that was why they originally hired Elway: to create fan goodwill.

ScottXray
11-27-2011, 06:53 PM
Probably not since he has been on the hot seat before and if they don't make the playoffs, it would be hard to see them keeping him and their GM may be in trouble too. You can only be seen as a supposed Super Bowl contender so long(I think 3 years now) until you are expected to actually do it or you are gone no matter if legit excuses and reasons. It is just the realities of pro sports.

Tony Dungy said that the Chargers are DONE....no way they come back this year again.

Their record has gotten worse every year that Norv has been there, and this will be the second year they miss the playoffs.....

I doubt the owners give Norv another year and the pressure is mounting to dump AJ also. If AJ goes Norv is automatically gone.

I wonder if they try to bring Martyball back?

Oh , and Tebow deserves to start next year and the draft should be to improve the team ( receivers that can catch balls in their hands and another power back.)

On the other hand there were several throws where Tebow had receivers open in the short middle and he totally missed them , waiting for the deep routes to come open. He really needs to start seeing those guys open .

Toady was his best statistical game....and he finished over 50% but he also could have totally dominated if he'd seen the open guys underneath.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 06:53 PM
They will create competition for Tebow using the draft. It would be irresponsible not to. He just has too many issues passing the football.

He's a developing QB with very little supporting talent. What are you expecting?

We need a running back and some receivers way before we need another QB.

Popps
11-27-2011, 06:55 PM
This is a tired topic, but I'd say at this point the FO faces an uphill battle if they want to get rid of him. His play, the results and the fans are all standing in the way.

But, there is a lot of season to play. We'll get MUCH more info as the season plays out. Why force the decision right now? Enjoy the play, hope for the best and you re-evaluate after seeing him play the rest of the season.

Mile High Mojoe
11-27-2011, 06:56 PM
Tebow's team. I think what could be most interesting about this thread is the people who don't respond to it, it might as well be a no IMO.

barryr
11-27-2011, 06:56 PM
Tony Dungy said that the Chargers are DONE....no way they come back this year again.

Their record has gotten worse every year that Norv has been there, and this will be the second year they miss the playoffs.....

I doubt the owners give Norv another year and the pressure is mounting to dump AJ also. If AJ goes Norv is automatically gone.

I wonder if they try to bring Martyball back?

My guess is they would try for Kiffin at USC.

broncobum6162
11-27-2011, 07:00 PM
He's a developing QB with very little supporting talent. What are you expecting?

We need a running back and some receivers way before we need another QB.

Rep!

rbackfactory80
11-27-2011, 07:01 PM
He is a one man gang. Tebow please

elsid13
11-27-2011, 07:06 PM
He's a developing QB with very little supporting talent. What are you expecting?

We need a running back and some receivers way before we need another QB.

There is more talent at those skilled positions then some on this board want to admit. The real credit for this turn around is an offense line that kicking the **** out of other teams and defense that is on fire. Tebow helping but he not the sole reason for the victories.

i4jelway7
11-27-2011, 07:08 PM
Broncos will draft a QB probably 2 no matter what Tebow does, the question is how early will they draft the first one.. only QB on the roster next yr right now is Tebow.. I think the FO will give Tim the start next year as long as he does not regress from this point

barryr
11-27-2011, 07:11 PM
There is more talent at those skilled positions then some on this board want to admit. The real credit for this turn around is an offense line that kicking the **** out of other teams and defense that is on fire. Tebow helping but he not the sole reason for the victories.

Why do people insist on that crap? I see more people posting "winning despite Tebow" than people posting" winning just because of Tebow." Can we quit the Tebow bash stuff for even an hour after a win? Geez.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 07:49 PM
There is more talent at those skilled positions then some on this board want to admit.

Oh really? Outside of McGahee and Decker, please elaborate on how any of the rest of our skill players could be called anything but sub-par by NFL standards.

barryr
11-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Oh really? Outside of McGahee and Decker, please elaborate on how any of the rest of our skill players could be called anything but sub-par by NFL standards.

True, guys like Royal and Thomas at receiver have not shown a great deal at this point and the TE's are decent, but nobody really stands out a great deal either. I just don't see all this talent either, at least with production.

oubronco
11-27-2011, 07:52 PM
There is more talent at those skilled positions then some on this board want to admit. The real credit for this turn around is an offense line that kicking the **** out of other teams and defense that is on fire. Tebow helping but he not the sole reason for the victories.

This is a true statement :notworthy

Jay3
11-27-2011, 07:54 PM
Having their cake and eating it, too -- picking a Tannehill in the 2d. People pick quarterbacks even when they have one.

DrFate
11-27-2011, 07:55 PM
There is more talent at those skilled positions then some on this board want to admit.

I'll take the 'under' on this one. McGahee is a pro's pro and Decker is a decent player. Beyond that - the skills players are pretty underwhelming.

Especially when compared to the team we just played (Mathews, Jackson, Gates, etc.)

I'd like to see more of Rosario, though - he always makes a tough catch.

Jay3
11-27-2011, 07:55 PM
The "top cover" will be not signing Brady Quinn or Adam Weber going into the draft. It will be understood (by Tebow and everybody else) that they need to reload on quarterbacks.

Only if Elway trades up or goes #1 is the bonfire on.

DrFate
11-27-2011, 07:56 PM
People pick quarterbacks even when they have one.

I think it's common sense they draft a QB. It's WHERE they draft him that will create potential drama.

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 07:57 PM
He is a one man gang.
Actually, he's far more than that.

I actually thought Dilfer's comments post-game were poignant and humble. The team is far better because of their belief in Tebow.

Drek
11-27-2011, 07:57 PM
Having their cake and eating it, too -- picking a Tannehill in the 2d. People pick quarterbacks even when they have one.

This has been my suggestion. Depending on how much growth Tebow shows and how the draft plays out we'll take a QB between rounds 2-5. Tannehill is a very likely choice.

Add someone like David Garrard as your veteran backup and you can run a spread option inspired offense with Tebow and have backup QBs who can still make it work to some degree.

I just think minds are going to be blown after Tebow gets a whole off-season of work in an NFL offense though. His passing could make night and day progress given months to work on things after all the live fire he's seeing this year.

oubronco
11-27-2011, 07:57 PM
The "top cover" will be not signing Brady Quinn or Adam Weber going into the draft. It will be understood (by Tebow and everybody else) that they need to reload on quarterbacks.

Only if Elway trades up or goes #1 is the bonfire on.

I think they are higher on Weber than you think

DrFate
11-27-2011, 08:06 PM
I just think minds are going to be blown after Tebow gets a whole off-season of work in an NFL offense though. His passing could make night and day progress given months to work on things after all the live fire he's seeing this year.

The ONE THING I'd like to see Denver do going forward is go out and hire a real QB coach. (I know I'll get flak from Rev on this)

You have a coach teach the Oline proper footwork, it's not simplypushing people around. You have a coach teach the defensive backs proper mechanics on how to backpedal and then turn and pursue. You have pros hire free throw shooting coaches. You have a golf swing coach even for the top players in the world. Pick a sport and you'll find a coach teaching mechanics.

Go find an expert in QB footwork. Hire him to follow Tebow around 24/7. Take a drop and throw the same pass 500 times in a row if that's what it takes. Do that the entire offseason (when Tebow isn't pushing tires or lifting tractors or chopping down trees with his penis or whatever he normally does)

Perfect practice makes perfect

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 08:24 PM
The ONE THING I'd like to see Denver do going forward is go out and hire a real QB coach. (I know I'll get flak from Rev on this)

You have a coach teach the Oline proper footwork, it's not simplypushing people around. You have a coach teach the defensive backs proper mechanics on how to backpedal and then turn and pursue. You have pros hire free throw shooting coaches. You have a golf swing coach even for the top players in the world. Pick a sport and you'll find a coach teaching mechanics.

Go find an expert in QB footwork. Hire him to follow Tebow around 24/7. Take a drop and throw the same pass 500 times in a row if that's what it takes. Do that the entire offseason (when Tebow isn't pushing tires or lifting tractors or chopping down trees with his penis or whatever he normally does)

Perfect practice makes perfect
Actually, I would disagree here. I would ask Tebow to take a break from "Working" on mechanics and instead just work on getting back to more natural movement.

I've seen a lot of top golfers get too mechanical in their approach (Tiger Currently) and in the process lose some of their ability to create shots. I think there's some of that in Tebow this year.

I would have him work on taking snaps and dropping back, but I might not even have him throw the ball.

Broncoman13
11-27-2011, 08:33 PM
The ONE THING I'd like to see Denver do going forward is go out and hire a real QB coach. (I know I'll get flak from Rev on this)

You have a coach teach the Oline proper footwork, it's not simplypushing people around. You have a coach teach the defensive backs proper mechanics on how to backpedal and then turn and pursue. You have pros hire free throw shooting coaches. You have a golf swing coach even for the top players in the world. Pick a sport and you'll find a coach teaching mechanics.

Go find an expert in QB footwork. Hire him to follow Tebow around 24/7. Take a drop and throw the same pass 500 times in a row if that's what it takes. Do that the entire offseason (when Tebow isn't pushing tires or lifting tractors or chopping down trees with his penis or whatever he normally does)

Perfect practice makes perfect

:spit: I literally Ha!

strafen
11-27-2011, 08:35 PM
He keeps winning you think they'll let him go?

You're finally coming around, huh? :wiggle:

Play2win
11-27-2011, 08:48 PM
Still, if Matt Barkley is accessible, you draft him. Other than that, see how far Tebow can take this team.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:51 PM
Having their cake and eating it, too -- picking a Tannehill in the 2d. People pick quarterbacks even when they have one.

Waste of a 2nd rounder that could be spent on a true need...

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 08:51 PM
Still, if Matt Barkley is accessible, you draft him. Other than that, see how far Tebow can take this team.

Matt Barkley goes at #2. He might even unseat Luck as the #1 at this rate.

oubronco
11-27-2011, 08:53 PM
You're finally coming around, huh? :wiggle:

He keeps improving his passing and I will

oubronco
11-27-2011, 08:54 PM
Matt Barkley goes at #2. He might even unseat Luck as the #1 at this rate.

LOL

HAT
11-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Matt Barkley goes at #2. He might even unseat Luck as the #1 at this rate.

Let say Barkley is on the board and Jax is picking 3rd or 4th....They call the Bronco war room and say all it would take to get that pick is Tebow & Denver's 1st rounder.....What sayeth the O-mane?

Yes, I know it's a pretty unrealistic situation but for the purposes of this thread...Would you approve or disapprove?

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 09:00 PM
Tebow is pretty much executing the offense we're running to perfection. It's not an offense that will put up a lot of points against NFL teams, but it will let you win TOP, rack up rushing yards, let off the occasional big pass, and keep you in games.

At this point, I like how they are bringing Tebow along. Pretty much buying time and wining games along the way. I'd take what Tebow has shown, and give him a true off-season to work with the staff and improve his passing game. We're just not going to know what Tebow has to offer throwing the ball this season, based on the circumstances surrounding that.

A positive note on this is we can now see how much the defense has improved. As much as I wanted to see us go for a half yard on 4th down, it was still the first time in a long time that I had any sembalance of confidence that the defense could hold.

At this point, I wouldn't move up for any player in this draft. Go BPA in the early rounds, and fill holes in the later rounds. And for me, the emphasis is still on the defense. If Tebow can improve his throwing in the off-season, that will be an immediate upgrade across the board for the O. Keep improving this D, then when Tebow shows he's actually the guy after next season, bring him in some weapons.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Let say Barkley is on the board and Jax is picking 3rd or 4th....They call the Bronco war room and say all it would take to get that pick is Tebow & Denver's 1st rounder.....What sayeth the O-mane?

Yes, I know it's a pretty unrealistic situation but for the purposes of this thread...Would you approve or disapprove?



F USC Qb's ... They play with a ton of talent around them and normally underachieve in the NFL .

With the marketing wet dream Tim is if Pat lets him go they are stupid.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Matt Barkley goes at #2. He might even unseat Luck as the #1 at this rate.

Who knows, but what a last few games he has had. Way too early to tell right now, hell he might stay for his senior year.

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 09:05 PM
Let say Barkley is on the board and Jax is picking 3rd or 4th....They call the Bronco war room and say all it would take to get that pick is Tebow & Denver's 1st rounder.....What sayeth the O-mane?

Yes, I know it's a pretty unrealistic situation but for the purposes of this thread...Would you approve or disapprove?

At this point, trading Tebow for anything other than a Cutler type deal is a bad move.

He's still an unknown quanity with such up side, it just doesn't make sense to me. He could a generational type player, and you don't just trade those away imo.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:08 PM
At this point, trading Tebow for anything other than a Cutler type deal is a bad move.

He's still an unknown quanity with such up side, it just doesn't make sense to me. He could a generational type player, and you don't just trade those away imo.

Very true. I also think Elway would jump on that deal in a heartbeat. But such a thing would never happen. Ever. Tebow's unknowns are so big right now that I really don't think any GM would confidently know what his value is right now for such a trade. His ceiling is ridiculously high, but his game is still so raw...

Play2win
11-27-2011, 09:09 PM
Let say Barkley is on the board and Jax is picking 3rd or 4th....They call the Bronco war room and say all it would take to get that pick is Tebow & Denver's 1st rounder.....What sayeth the O-mane?

Yes, I know it's a pretty unrealistic situation but for the purposes of this thread...Would you approve or disapprove?

Hell to the power of YES.

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 09:12 PM
I would love to see Elway take the guy under his wing this off-season and mentor him. Elway knows what it is to be a professional, so even if he can't commit to the guy, he could do all he can to help him while he's here.

As much as I think Elway wants to get "his" guy, he surely doesn't want to be the guy that let Tebow go and watch him grow to dominate the league somewhere else. It's a double edge sword there, and hopefully that little bit of fear will keep Tebow here until we know for sure.

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 09:13 PM
They trade Tebow without him wanting to leave the team and I will be major pissed. Now if at some point he is losing, and we have to have a new qb, and he won't switch positions then maybe. But Broncos finally have some excitement and player we can be proud of. Making headlines for winning in nail biting fashion instead of DUI's....knock on wood.

The Broncos just finally seem like a team again. Not just a bunch of athletes running around on the field.

The defense and the offense seem to be just feeding off each other. The offense feels the defense can make stops. The defense feels they keep it close Tebow wins it at the end everytime.

Its to the point now when Tebow needs a score, time running out, other teams can't feel to good. They realize right then they are now in Tebow time, and their game plan failed. The plan vs Tebow is not to have it be low scoring, that is our game now.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:14 PM
Hell to the power of YES.

And in the process you are trading away the most clutch player in the NFL right now. (Yes I said it.)

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 09:16 PM
I would love to see Elway take the guy under his wing this off-season and mentor him. Elway knows what it is to be a professional, so even if he can't commit to the guy, he could do all he can to help him while he's here.

As much as I think Elway wants to get "his" guy, he surely doesn't want to be the guy that let Tebow go and watch him grow to dominate the league somewhere else. It's a double edge sword there, and hopefully that little bit of fear will keep Tebow here until we know for sure.

He already has that Elway air about him. Elway won a ton of games getting first downs with his feet because he wasn't a super accurate passer. In fact Elway probably threw the ugliest touch passes, screen etc of any of the HOF qbs. He was no Dan Marino but won because he had more power in his legs then Marino did.

Tebow has a chance to be ultra special if they can keep improving the passing game and build the defense.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Hell to the power of YES.

So what you are saying is you would trade Tebow + our first rounder for a Usc Qb that has lots of questions ... ? Brilliant .

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:17 PM
I would love to see Elway take the guy under his wing this off-season and mentor him. Elway knows what it is to be a professional, so even if he can't commit to the guy, he could do all he can to help him while he's here.

As much as I think Elway wants to get "his" guy, he surely doesn't want to be the guy that let Tebow go and watch him grow to dominate the league somewhere else. It's a double edge sword there, and hopefully that little bit of fear will keep Tebow here until we know for sure.

I can't begin to comprehend why anyone would want to trade him before we are sure. That's the thing that baffles me.

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 09:17 PM
I think no matter what Tebow on Broncos at least next yr. At some point if Qb doesn't work out teams will want him to try a different position. But if the Broncos can't find a way for him to be a Bronco they are lame.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 09:17 PM
And in the process you are trading away the most clutch player in the NFL right now. (Yes I said it.)

Who said ANYTHING about trading Von Miller.... ;D

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 09:18 PM
I can't begin to comprehend why anyone would want to trade him before we are sure. That's the thing that baffles me.

I think a draft and offseason where you tailor the picks to help Tebow win is warranted at this point. We have been so ultra bad to just say he isn't enough like Tom Brady to roll with is a joke.

Tebow's passes looked tighter and better today save for a few in first quarter.

cutthemdown
11-27-2011, 09:19 PM
Who said ANYTHING about trading Von Miller.... ;D

Is their a defensive player you would trade him for right now. Wow how cool is he seriously that good. So good no one we would want over him?

Hamrob
11-27-2011, 09:20 PM
I think the line is drawn at whether we make the playoffs.

If we make the playoffs. Tebow gets next year, and we don't draft a kid in top 3 rounds.
If we fail to make the playoffs. All bets are off and the brain trust will make the decision on what QB's are available.

Why?

1. Elway is not in Tebow's court (plain and simple).
2. If we make the playoffs...Elway can afford to give Tebow a chance next year...because all the pundents will say...why wouldn't he...since Tebow got him in the playoffs.

More thougths:

Go listen to Fox's after game interview. Please tell me where anyone would think that he is 100% supportive of his QB? I mean he gushes about Miller, but when it comes to Tebow...he did o.k. He's making baby steps in the passing game. I don't want to talk about the future. Wow.

To me...If I were Elway/Fox....I'd be telling everyong that Tebow is our guy. He's a winner and we are going to back him. We'll spend the time in the offseason to get him ready for our offense. He's our guy, etc. This would give his teammates hope and inspiration for a potential playoff run this year, etc.

They can do whatever the hell they want to, when the games are done. But, I'm getting tired of this crap...where they are slow to back their QB. I mean, you back guys like Orton and Delhomme...but, you have to be pressured into supporting Tebow. Both those guys are handling this situation piss poor, if you ask me.

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 09:21 PM
I can't begin to comprehend why anyone would want to trade him before we are sure. That's the thing that baffles me.

Because FO guys want their own guys. I really think the main reason Elway is how he is about Tebow is because he's not a guy he drafted, which on some level is understanable. You want to tie your future to players you brought in, not the guy who was the single worst coach/GM in the history of the team.

I don't really have a problem with Elway not committing to Tebow at this early stage, or if he wants to draft a QB (which we need at this point anyway with Orton being released) but I would have a huge problem with selling the farm to move up for any player in the draft really, considering our large amount of needs.

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:23 PM
Is their a defensive player you would trade him for right now. Wow how cool is he seriously that good. So good no one we would want over him?

I can't think of anyone. Not defensively. There are some QBs, but that's about it.

Play2win
11-27-2011, 09:26 PM
Is their a defensive player you would trade him for right now. Wow how cool is he seriously that good. So good no one we would want over him?

Dude I'm already starting to love him as much Atwater, DS49, Louie Wright, Al Wilson, some of my favorite Broncos of all time!!!!

He's a Bronco true and true. What a FIND!!!

Agamemnon
11-27-2011, 09:27 PM
Because FO guys want their own guys. I really think the main reason Elway is how he is about Tebow is because he's not a guy he drafted, which on some level is understanable. You want to tie your future to players you brought in, not the guy who was the single worst coach/GM in the history of the team.

I don't really have a problem with Elway not committing to Tebow at this early stage, or if he wants to draft a QB (which we need at this point anyway with Orton being released) but I would have a huge problem with selling the farm to move up for any player in the draft really, considering our large amount of needs.

Any football exec/GM that thinks like that is doomed to failure. You have to use the talent that you inherit first and foremost, and then begin to define the team with your guys. Otherwise you are just another McD.

NFLBRONCO
11-27-2011, 09:29 PM
Because FO guys want their own guys. I really think the main reason Elway is how he is about Tebow is because he's not a guy he drafted, which on some level is understanable. You want to tie your future to players you brought in, not the guy who was the single worst coach/GM in the history of the team.

I don't really have a problem with Elway not committing to Tebow at this early stage, or if he wants to draft a QB (which we need at this point anyway with Orton being released) but I would have a huge problem with selling the farm to move up for any player in the draft really, considering our large amount of needs.

I think the move up majorly is OVER

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 09:31 PM
I think the move up majorly is OVER

Would hope so, but we'll see.

ScottXray
11-27-2011, 09:39 PM
I think the line is drawn at whether we make the playoffs.

If we make the playoffs. Tebow gets next year, and we don't draft a kid in top 3 rounds.
If we fail to make the playoffs. All bets are off and the brain trust will make the decision on what QB's are available.

Why?

1. Elway is not in Tebow's court (plain and simple).
2. If we make the playoffs...Elway can afford to give Tebow a chance next year...because all the pundents will say...why wouldn't he...since Tebow got him in the playoffs.

More thougths:

Go listen to Fox's after game interview. Please tell me where anyone would think that he is 100% supportive of his QB? I mean he gushes about Miller, but when it comes to Tebow...he did o.k. He's making baby steps in the passing game. I don't want to talk about the future. Wow.

To me...If I were Elway/Fox....I'd be telling everyong that Tebow is our guy. He's a winner and we are going to back him. We'll spend the time in the offseason to get him ready for our offense. He's our guy, etc. This would give his teammates hope and inspiration for a potential playoff run this year, etc.

They can do whatever the hell they want to, when the games are done. But, I'm getting tired of this crap...where they are slow to back their QB. I mean, you back guys like Orton and Delhomme...but, you have to be pressured into supporting Tebow. Both those guys are handling this situation piss poor, if you ask me.

Agree with most of your take, except for the QB pick. We could win out, and still not make the playoffs if Oakland also wins out. It is extremely unlikely but a possibility. Realistically Oakland will probably lose two. We need to better that by one to make the playoffs and I can't see any way that a QB becomes a high priority If Tebow goes 8-3 and we miss the playoffs by one game, after he is spotted a 1-4 record to start off with.

There is still a long way to go, but 9-7 or 8-8 is light years ahead of where this team was headed 6 games ago. Part of the Reason is Tebow.
Eventuallythe E of EFX has to give him some of the credit. And we have a lot of other needs for the 1-3rd round picks. Qb should be a late round pick if they see someone there.

I also think that we need to bring Adam Weber on to the roster this week or we might lose him to Houston with Leinart going down today. I also think that he is thought well of by the staff. For QB support in the off year we need to bring in a vet...McNabb may be available and a good choice to spell Tebow.

Broncos4tw
11-27-2011, 09:42 PM
His ceiling is ridiculously high...

Based on... ?

While I am loving wins, even if against teams with losing records, they are as much in part or more because of special teams play and defensive play. We held them to 13 points. How will this average hold out against GB scoring an average of over 34 points a game? Or we'll take an AFC team for a playoff game, averaging 29 points a game?

Tebow is beyond raw. He is a fullback playing QB at this point. Two perfect passes a game I said.. did he throw more than that this game? I don't think so. I still don't get why people are piling onto the Tebow bandwagon. He does not keep winning games. The TEAM keeps winning games. Special teams have been excellent. Our defense is unrecognizable from last year. Our offense looks anemic until the last drive of a game. Our running game is our best feature of our offense.

Keep touting Tebow.. but he is NOT the reason we are winning games. The best feature of Tebow isn't "miracle" drives. It's his lack of turnovers. For this, I give the guy kudos. But he is still a far cry from being a solid staring QB for the indefinite future.

Passes at guys feet. Getting happy feet and running when his first read doesn't pan out. I honestly don't see what all the hype about the guy is, still. "He just wins!" Bullcrap. The TEAM just wins. Our D wins. 16 points will be a laugh against teams who average more than that on their worst day.

Fire? Yup, it's there. Drive to win? Sure. Rushing? ok.. but he is one bad hit from being history at the rate he is going. A QB is not a RB for a reason. He lacks SKILL. His passes are short or off or they never happen, because is unable to read a defense and takes off running. Two good passes a game won't cut it. He needs to improve, and how some of you tout him as the next great thing just boggles my mind. Yes.. he is a rookie. But he lacks basic passing skills even the lowest drafted QBs seem to have. I am not sold on Tebow. Loving the "fun" wins. At the end of the year, these won't mean squat. Real teams will eat us alive. We beat another underachieving team with a losing record. Big deal.

Hamrob
11-27-2011, 09:49 PM
Agree with most of your take, except for the QB pick. We could win out, and still not make the playoffs if Oakland also wins out. It is extremely unlikely but a possibility. Realistically Oakland will probably lose two. We need to better that by one to make the playoffs and I can't see any way that a QB becomes a high priority If Tebow goes 8-3 and we miss the playoffs by one game, after he is spotted a 1-4 record to start off with.

There is still a long way to go, but 9-7 or 8-8 is light years ahead of where this team was headed 6 games ago. Part of the Reason is Tebow.
Eventuallythe E of EFX has to give him some of the credit. And we have a lot of other needs for the 1-3rd round picks. Qb should be a late round pick if they see someone there.

I also think that we need to bring Adam Weber on to the roster this week or we might lose him to Houston with Leinart going down today. I also think that he is thought well of by the staff. For QB support in the off year we need to bring in a vet...McNabb may be available and a good choice to spell Tebow.I see the Raiders losing 2-3 more games. I could very well see us go 4-1 down the stretch. I don't see us losing more than 2. I think we will be tied with Oakland with 2 games left. They will have games with SD at home and K.C. on the road. We will have Buff on the road and K.C. at home. The Division championship will go down to the wire.

Additionally, Cinci has the 6th playoff spot and are one game up on us with the same conference record. I could see us being tied with them and winnng the tie breaker because we beat them earlier in the season.

We have to win 3 out of 5 to have a chance. 4 of 5 and we will be in one way or the other.

All that being said, if we don't make the playoffs...here's what the story line will be:

Elway came in and addressed the DEFENSEE, drafting Miller and others. Becuase of that, our defense was able to carry us DESPITE OUR OFFENSE. Thus all we really need is a NFL Caliber QB to get us over the hump.

I'm sticking to my gut. Tebow needs to get this team in the playoffs...or his future becomes very sketchy!!!

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 09:51 PM
I think the line is drawn at whether we make the playoffs.

If we make the playoffs. Tebow gets next year, and we don't draft a kid in top 3 rounds.
If we fail to make the playoffs. All bets are off and the brain trust will make the decision on what QB's are available.


If that's actually where the line is, and the steps they take, there are huge issues in the FO. HUGE.

Hamrob
11-27-2011, 09:57 PM
Based on... ?

While I am loving wins, even if against teams with losing records, they are as much in part or more because of special teams play and defensive play. We held them to 13 points. How will this average hold out against GB scoring an average of over 34 points a game? Or we'll take an AFC team for a playoff game, averaging 29 points a game?

Tebow is beyond raw. He is a fullback playing QB at this point. Two perfect passes a game I said.. did he throw more than that this game? I don't think so. I still don't get why people are piling onto the Tebow bandwagon. He does not keep winning games. The TEAM keeps winning games. Special teams have been excellent. Our defense is unrecognizable from last year. Our offense looks anemic until the last drive of a game. Our running game is our best feature of our offense.

Keep touting Tebow.. but he is NOT the reason we are winning games. The best feature of Tebow isn't "miracle" drives. It's his lack of turnovers. For this, I give the guy kudos. But he is still a far cry from being a solid staring QB for the indefinite future.

Passes at guys feet. Getting happy feet and running when his first read doesn't pan out. I honestly don't see what all the hype about the guy is, still. "He just wins!" Bullcrap. The TEAM just wins. Our D wins. 16 points will be a laugh against teams who average more than that on their worst day.

Fire? Yup, it's there. Drive to win? Sure. Rushing? ok.. but he is one bad hit from being history at the rate he is going. A QB is not a RB for a reason. He lacks SKILL. His passes are short or off or they never happen, because is unable to read a defense and takes off running. Two good passes a game won't cut it. He needs to improve, and how some of you tout him as the next great thing just boggles my mind. Yes.. he is a rookie. But he lacks basic passing skills even the lowest drafted QBs seem to have. I am not sold on Tebow. Loving the "fun" wins. At the end of the year, these won't mean squat. Real teams will eat us alive. We beat another underachieving team with a losing record. Big deal.I can understand that Tebow needs further development...especially in the passing game.

But, individuals who don't understand football...and don't understand how Tebow has made the defense and special teams better...are certifiable idiots!!!

Tebow is playing ball control football. How many turnovers has he had. Looks like he's also got that sack thing under control now. Look at our running game. Our defense has more time to rest and knows that if they can keep it close we have a chance. That's what Tebow does.

Add to that, Tebow's tendancy to make plays when they matter most, and you have a winning recipe.....meaning 5 out of 6 wins.

Phillip Rivers is a Pro Bowl QB who many consider to be in the top 5 QB's in the league. I'd take Tebow's play today over his.

It's fair to say you don't think Tebow is the answer, but to not give him credit for how his presence on the field has made the rest of the team better, is idiotic!!!

Dedhed
11-27-2011, 09:58 PM
Based on... ?

While I am loving wins, even if against teams with losing records, they are as much in part or more because of special teams play and defensive play.


We held them to 13 points. How will this average hold out against GB scoring an average of over 34 points a game? Or we'll take an AFC team for a playoff game, averaging 29 points a game?

Tebow is beyond raw. He is a fullback playing QB at this point. Two perfect passes a game I said.. did he throw more than that this game? I don't think so. I still don't get why people are piling onto the Tebow bandwagon. He does not keep winning games. The TEAM keeps winning games. Special teams have been excellent. Our defense is unrecognizable from last year. Our offense looks anemic until the last drive of a game. Our running game is our best feature of our offense.

Keep touting Tebow.. but he is NOT the reason we are winning games. The best feature of Tebow isn't "miracle" drives. It's his lack of turnovers. For this, I give the guy kudos. But he is still a far cry from being a solid staring QB for the indefinite future.

Passes at guys feet. Getting happy feet and running when his first read doesn't pan out. I honestly don't see what all the hype about the guy is, still. "He just wins!" Bullcrap. The TEAM just wins. Our D wins. 16 points will be a laugh against teams who average more than that on their worst day.

Fire? Yup, it's there. Drive to win? Sure. Rushing? ok.. but he is one bad hit from being history at the rate he is going. A QB is not a RB for a reason. He lacks SKILL. His passes are short or off or they never happen, because is unable to read a defense and takes off running. Two good passes a game won't cut it. He needs to improve, and how some of you tout him as the next great thing just boggles my mind. Yes.. he is a rookie. But he lacks basic passing skills even the lowest drafted QBs seem to have. I am not sold on Tebow. Loving the "fun" wins. At the end of the year, these won't mean squat. Real teams will eat us alive. We beat another underachieving team with a losing record. Big deal.

Idiot post. This is the same team that was 1-4 without Tebow, but now "the TEAM just wins" in spite of Tebow's "lack of SKILLS"?

OK.

Hamrob
11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
If that's actually where the line is, and the steps they take, there are huge issues in the FO. HUGE.I agree. That's why I'm hopeful that we make the playoffs.

I'm a huge Elway fan................but, TIM TEBOW, is not his guy. If Tebow doesn't make the playoffs..........the SPIN will begin. The reason we won games will be all about the defense...with the subtle spin that the team won despite Tebow. And, there will be tons of media folks to buy-in.

Polls will be cast and fans, analsysts etc. will get on board.

NOPE........This team has to make the playoffs.......or Tebow is as good as done.

TDmvp
11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Broncos4tw you should watch the NFL network's game day from tonight where they explain how Tim's play is helping the D statistically and with leadership/spirt.

"edit" and don't get me wrong the D is playing insane and Von may be the best player on the team , but kinda odd how different they look the last 6 games ... from giving up high 20s a game to low teens.


As someone who disliked Tebow in college and didn't want us to draft him people need to open their eyes a little... The kid "could" be great.

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
Tebow makes the whole team better. The best argument for this is how much improved the defense has been since he's taken over.

fontaine
11-28-2011, 04:34 AM
This has been my suggestion. Depending on how much growth Tebow shows and how the draft plays out we'll take a QB between rounds 2-5. Tannehill is a very likely choice.

Add someone like David Garrard as your veteran backup and you can run a spread option inspired offense with Tebow and have backup QBs who can still make it work to some degree.

I just think minds are going to be blown after Tebow gets a whole off-season of work in an NFL offense though. His passing could make night and day progress given months to work on things after all the live fire he's seeing this year.

Elway mentioned this on his radio show. That all the work in his rhythym, setting and throwing etc will be done in the offseason.

fontaine
11-28-2011, 04:36 AM
Broncos4tw you should watch the NFL network's game day from tonight where they explain how Tim's play is helping the D statistically and with leadership/spirt.

"edit" and don't get me wrong the D is playing insane and Von may be the best player on the team , but kinda odd how different they look the last 6 games ... from giving up high 20s a game to low teens.


As someone who disliked Tebow in college and didn't want us to draft him people need to open their eyes a little... The kid "could" be great.


I think it's more to do with having an identity. The entire team/staff know that as long as they keep the game close, Denver has a real shot in the 4th quarter. That kind of belief is what seperates teams.

You could see it written all over San Diego. They were completely out of rhythym, taking a delay of game penalty, Rivers was running away from the slightest sign of pressure all in the 4th while you knew our defense/offense knew that the game was going to be ours.

DrFate
11-28-2011, 06:40 AM
Actually, I would disagree here. I would ask Tebow to take a break from "Working" on mechanics and instead just work on getting back to more natural movement.

I've seen a lot of top golfers get too mechanical in their approach (Tiger Currently) and in the process lose some of their ability to create shots. I think there's some of that in Tebow this year.

I would have him work on taking snaps and dropping back, but I might not even have him throw the ball.

I get what you are saying - but he has to get his feet straight. Fouts made a comment that Tebow is 'too open' when he throws to the right side of the field. And the throw was a ground ball to Thomas.

I'm not sure they should try to change him from the waist-up - but the feet have to get better, imv.