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Archer81
11-26-2011, 12:56 AM
Decker is tied for 4th in the league for receiving TDs. Sorry he is so terrible.


Decker has 34 catches. He has been targeted 70 times. Royal has 17 catches, and has been targeted 37 times, D Thomas has 7 catches, been targeted 21 times. They need to make more catches than they have been, and to blame Tebow's "inability" to throw the football as the sole reason suggests the person making that comment has not actually watched the games. Does Tebow need to work on his feet to increase his accuracy? Yes he does. Do the WR's need to make those plays when the ball is not always perfectly thrown? Of course.

It appears only with Tebow it is JUST his fault. The receivers always get 2 yards of seperation, run the right routes and always present a target for the QB to hit. All these complaints about the Tebownites failing to see his current shortcomings and apparently the same can be said of the people who are rigidly anti-Tebow. It can't be a young offense with young WR's and QB that need to develop together. We have a vet offense and Tebow is screwing it all up.

But back to the original point; when I say Decker, Thomas and Royal need to catch the ball more often, that is clearly a "no ****" statement.

:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
11-26-2011, 12:58 AM
Well said sirhcyennek81

Dr. Broncenstein
11-26-2011, 01:02 AM
Huh? I'm supposed to somehow find out the names of the people who made those posts...and investigate them in order to "prove" they're not coming from a nutcase whose true motivation is to accomplish the opposite? ??? That's about as reasonable as Epic's contention that someone who refers to John Elway as a "horse faced ass"... is likely to ever become a real, genuine Broncos fan.

SMH.

Yes. Literally investigate ever twitterer to ever tweet in order to accurately gauge their intentions. This way the FO doesn't make any rash decisions based upon sarcastic tweetering.

t-diddy
11-26-2011, 01:03 AM
Twitter comments are about one tiny notch above youtube comments on the things that matter scale...

I'm very surprised they had this much effect.

HAT
11-26-2011, 01:05 AM
I'm very surprised they had this much effect.

They didn't....Except for Orangemane comments.

Blueflame
11-26-2011, 01:05 AM
It's a figure of speech, Epic. Perhaps you prefer "I got John's back". Doesn't matter either way.

Blueflame
11-26-2011, 01:07 AM
Yes. Literally investigate ever twitterer to ever tweet in order to accurately gauge their intentions. This way the FO doesn't make any rash decisions based upon sarcastic tweetering.

I'd have to join twitter first and I decline to do so. No one in the twitter world cares whether or not a dog just farted in my house or whatever... and I don't care to share such irrelevant minutae with everyone else either.

stopgap
11-26-2011, 01:08 AM
Twitter comments are about one tiny notch above youtube comments on the things that matter scale...

I'm very surprised they had this much effect.

Word.

Yet.... now page 11

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2011, 01:08 AM
Probably not. I have no idea what you just typed......As ****ing always.

Yeah, um...thats not my fault. Hilarious!


All I know is that Elway is doing a masterful job at GM'ing Tebow and the Broncos to wins.

Yeah, that trick where he faked the trade of Orton to the Dolphins only to bring him back, only to have the coach bench him 5 games into the season was awesome. The Dolphins really didn't know what was coming at them later in the season when we started Tebow. That was a great fake by Elway.

That fake where he signed a perpetually injured DT to fill a gaping hole on the line only to see him not play a down in the regular season was awesome. It was like...we had a DT...and then we didnt. That really faked out offensive coordinators.

Then there was that deal where he traded the most consistent receiver on the team to Washington for some magic beans. I know that he had already developed a repoire with the QBs, but we really didnt need him. Fantastic.

Then there was the one where he traded the best reveiver on the team to St Louis for a 5th round draft pick and we didn't have anyone behind him who could actually run a route and catch the ball. That was awesome.

That fake where he was like "we have Orton, now we don't!" was incredible. It was all "he gives us the best chance to win", then it was all "um, not so much", then it was all "yeah, third string, bro", then it was like "see ya in Kansas City, holmes!" Epic fake.

------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm just being snarky because by your post, you seem to like that kind of thing. But seriously, Elway has been involved in several mistakes. He and the FO had an excellent draft, they made a good trade in Bunk, but they made some massive personnel mistakes as well.

Blueflame
11-26-2011, 01:08 AM
They didn't....Except for Orangemane comments.

The article's posted on other Broncos boards too.

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2011, 01:12 AM
It's a figure of speech, Epic. Perhaps you prefer "I got John's back". Doesn't matter either way.

You said that you picked a side. I was just responding to that with an illustration of how picking sides limits your ability to see things as they really are. It riddles a person with biases.

t-diddy
11-26-2011, 01:14 AM
They didn't....Except for Orangemane comments.

?? They are being quoted in the DP article that is part of the OP... in fact they are the reason for the article. Hell the title of the article is saying they have an effect.

Blueflame
11-26-2011, 01:26 AM
The decision to support John Elway was made a long, long time ago, Epic. If I genuinely thought he was wrong in this, I'd say so. But I don't think he's wrong.

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2011, 01:28 AM
The decision to support John Elway was made a long, long time ago, Epic. If I genuinely thought he was wrong in this, I'd say so. But I don't think he's wrong.

He is absolutely wrong. Not because of who he is, but because he is making unwise decisions.

Blueflame
11-26-2011, 01:32 AM
And again... we're not going to agree on this because I absolutely think it's the Tebow fans who went on Elway's twitter account and personally insulted him... who were in the wrong. And you're blaming the victim.

But there's little point in debating this further.

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2011, 01:47 AM
And again... we're not going to agree on this because I absolutely think it's the Tebow fans who went on Elway's twitter account and personally insulted him... who were in the wrong. And you're blaming the victim.

But there's little point in debating this further.

Elway is culpable for not having the foresight to get a bead on the situation before he created it.

KO5K
11-26-2011, 02:02 AM
I almost hope we trade him so we don't have to put up with these idiots.

All four of them?

Hilarious!

Jay3
11-26-2011, 02:15 AM
Twitter comments are about one tiny notch above youtube comments on the things that matter scale...

I'm very surprised they had this much effect.

You're spot on. With Tebow, things that shouldn't even be given a moment's attention are drummed up, discussed in the newspaper as if the reveal some basic problem he has brought into the league, and discussed on the Mane as if Tebow should do something about it.

It's a never ending cycle -- supposed "fannish obsession with Tebow" is really "negative obsession with Tebow and his fans."

t-diddy
11-26-2011, 02:37 AM
You're spot on. With Tebow, things that shouldn't even be given a moment's attention are drummed up, discussed in the newspaper as if the reveal some basic problem he has brought into the league, and discussed on the Mane as if Tebow should do something about it.

It's a never ending cycle -- supposed "fannish obsession with Tebow" is really "negative obsession with Tebow and his fans."

The whole thing is just bizarre... the whole Tebow phenomenon. I guess it is just the nature of message boards and social networking but it just seems silly to be in a discussion where you are either "For Elway" or "For Tebow". I've been a Bronco fan for 30 years and an Elway nut-hugger (to use fan terms nowadays) since i was 7 years old. On the other hand, I am a big Tebow fan. I refuse to believe that you have to be one or the other.

I think we'd all be well served to just admit two basic truths:

1. John Elway has made some mistakes in the PR department. He will get better at this as time goes on.

2. Tim Tebow needs to learn (or demonstrate consistently) that he can make the correct reads and throw an accurate pass after doing so. He may get better at this as time goes on.

90% of the arguments on this board revolve around these two issues, and they are not even controversial no matter what "side" one falls on.

Meck77
11-26-2011, 02:40 AM
It's a never ending cycle -- supposed "fannish obsession with Tebow" is really "negative obsession with Tebow and his fans."

The cycle and a visual of how this thread went down with smilies.

:haw!::Elway::tebow:KnowitallKnowitallKnowitallKno witallKnowitallKnowitall:gossip:


So I'm guilty of one post on this thread.

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Doggcow
11-26-2011, 02:45 AM
I like winning. I also think it's awesome watching Tebow piss every analyst off.

MacGruder
11-26-2011, 02:47 AM
Krieger: Elway on fringe of Tebow tirade
http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_19409161

It's a good read. It basically says the open communication thing is a double-edged sword. It also highlights how stupid the <s>Bronco</s> Florida fans are being. The comments under the article pretty much say it all.


::) Agamemon, Alpha Sierra and Macgruder all joined shortly after Tebow was drafted. I suspect one or both wrote the above. They're a bunch of idiots who worship everything Tebow does and blame everything he doesn't on everyone but him. I want Tebow to succeed, he's an easy player to root for, but when I read comments like these, I almost hope we trade him so we don't have to put up with these idiots.

witch hunt..

Surprise surprise..

Elway is on a witch hunt too..

Tebow doesn't look like a QB.. that threatens him..

Remember when Elway said "real Broncos fans wouldn't root for the Broncos to lose when Orton was QB?"

Yet Elway doesn't even look happy when Tebow wins football games...

BabyTO
11-26-2011, 02:49 AM
waaaaahhhh elway played QB for this team over a decade ago, now we have to kiss his balls until the end of time. nobody should be allowed to critizise my idol!!!

http://afrodoll.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/crybaby-2.png?w=256&h=283

boohooo you little babies. that dumbass doesnt understand his job, and he has no qualifications to show for it. when the broncos hired him thats exactly what they wanted, somebody that gets his balls kissed by the retarded homers no matter what and no matter how bad of a job he does.those are the same retards that have posters of him on the wall and wouldnt dare say anything negative about him, even if he accidentally sends our playbooks over the internet to all 31 teams, which isnt that unlikely considering how dumb he is

had ANYBODY else been doing his job, the fans would have wanted him LONG GONE. he would have been fired already. but hey, its elway. he might be stupid, maybe he doesn't understand his job, but he played QB for us for christ sake!

why dont we let kyle orton run this organization while we're at it

TomServo
11-26-2011, 04:20 AM
Lesse, john elway has delivered a SB appeareance in 1/3 of his time here-toss out his rookie year. tebow has delivered 4 of the most awful wins in recent bronco history. McD was 6-0. i wasnt sold on Mcd. and im not sold on tebow. tebow might yet lead the broncos to 3 superbowls or he might be out of the league in two years.
any ass hole denigrating Elway is NOT a bronco fan, just a dumbass tebow fan.WAAH Tebow cant throw a football. its Everyones fault but Tebows he cant throw a football.

Taco John
11-26-2011, 04:24 AM
These aren't business decisions...they're media opinions.

His business decisions have been questionable, but his public relations skills have been flat-out noobish.

Most of Elway's moves with the Broncos have been spot on to date. The handling of the QB situation leaves something to be desired, but given the circumstances, he acted completely rationally - unless you're a baptized Tebow fan. Then he acted like a buffoon for not having blind faith that Tebow would be able to take inaccurate passes, inconsistency, and bad form from the practice field and turn them into wins on the playing field.

And don't take me wrong - I'm a Tebow fan. But I have zero blame for Elway in being cautious with him.

Taco John
11-26-2011, 04:28 AM
had ANYBODY else been doing his job, the fans would have wanted him LONG GONE. he would have been fired already.

Are you kidding? For what?

TomServo
11-26-2011, 04:34 AM
Tebow fans are Worse than Broncofans anyday

eddie mac
11-26-2011, 05:12 AM
I dont worship Tebow at all but I do think that Elway is an idiot and I cannot fathom the **** he comes out with half the time.

Bronco Yoda
11-26-2011, 05:27 AM
This Tebow thing is getting crazy.

I like Tebow... I'm a big believer in him. But a little perspective is still needed here... at some point he's going to have to prove that he can pass more. I think he'll but up for the challenge. But he still has to prove it.

Elway is just tempering expectations and being realistic here. I for one trust his judgement and give him the benefit of the doubt. In my book he's earned it.

Elway gives us fans what we usually clamor for.... a little more transparency and honesty... and how do some fans repay him?

BabyTO
11-26-2011, 05:47 AM
Are you kidding? For what?
do you just ignore all of the dumb things he says on a daily basis? why doesn't he just shut his ****in mouth? where was he a couple months ago when orton was our starter? this team was heading towards that #1 overall pick and this **** kicker didn't open his mouth ONCE to call orton out. here's tebow leading this team to the playoffs and suddenly this asswipe pops up on a daily basis to tell tebow and the entire team over the media that he's not sold on tebow yet. nobody needs to hear that ****. shut your mouth and let the team focus on the next game. at least act like you trust your starting QB

EmpireOrange
11-26-2011, 07:36 AM
I really don't think there's anything wrong with wishing Elway was handling the situation better. He began his tenure by saying his strength is he "knows what he doesn't know" but he clearly thinks he is an expert evaluator (being a HOF QB from an NFL that no longer exists does not mean you are automatically a great evaluator). This of course goes back to my opinion that he has made up his mind to not back Tebow. As for the idiots, I just ignore them.

At the end of the day none of this matters because if Tim keeps winning Elway will be incapable of dusting him.

You're sorely mistaken pal, Elway is the Denver Broncos and you teboners still don't get that. If Denver had cutler here, tebow would have been cut! You're dam lucky orton was here when tebow was drafted. Secondly, if tebow doesn't get better he ain't gonna keep winning. Lastly because of you idiots, no other Gm will touch tebow after elway CUTS him!! He will be Out of the league in two years book it you backward toothless swamp dwelling sister effer! Go back to gaydar nation you ain't wanted here!

TailgateNut
11-26-2011, 07:41 AM
The most recent post of mine that mentioned bigots was the thread inviting all types of people back onto the Broncos bandwagon...bigots included. (ahem...TGN)

Oh, go **** yourself. I've never jumped off the wagon, although there have been times when I wasn't convinced a certain player, coach or scheme wasn't the right fit for the Broncos. So ****ing what. I don't like Tebow. I don't think he should be part of the rebuilding process of my team. Opinions!

You're just upset I don't pray to your imaginary God.

Punisher
11-26-2011, 07:44 AM
Oh, go **** yourself. I've never jumped off the wagon, although there have been times when I wasn't convinced a certain player, coach or scheme wasn't the right fit for the Broncos. So ****ing what. I don't like Tebow. I don't think he should be part of the rebuilding process of my team. Opinions!

You're just upset I don't pray to your imaginary God.

this

TailgateNut
11-26-2011, 07:49 AM
Everybody even remotely involved in it at this point should just log off until next season.

Lead by example. Adios

barryr
11-26-2011, 08:42 AM
:yayaya:and life is better without a bunch of delusional Tebonites preaching about his GREATNESS for hours on end

That is because you'd rather see preaching about your God, Obama, and his "greatness" for hours on end instead.

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 08:59 AM
Tebow fans are Worse than Elwayfans anyday

Their I fixed it for you. :P

Chris
11-26-2011, 09:04 AM
I started coming here in 2005 and its like night and day from back then. There are so many more horrible posters now. And (shocker!) a lot of them joined right after Tebow was drafted!

Yes it's a completely different place. I've resigned myself to the fact that it's not going to go back to the way it was without a miracle aka moderation against incivility, ban hammers and an appeal to some of the old timers to come back (some of them think they're superior fans so they can stay where they are). But Taco doesn't want to moderate. It's his choice and I respect it.

There is still a lot of great stuff here, great people and great bronco news. You just have to sift through the trash.

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 09:13 AM
Elway is the Denver Broncos and you teboners still don't get that.

Elway has gone to great strides to get so many Broncos fans polarized into possessing a predjudice towards their own starting QB, from making them Believe that Orton gave the team a better chance at winning to making tebow out to be the reason why our 3rd down conversion rate is so aweful, when in fact play calling has played a huge role in it, not to mention the poor effort to develope Tebow.

Elway is a hypocrite, bad mouthing Tebow while praising Orton? Elway used to have a career throwing a football, his new career is throwing Tebow under the bus. How can any Broncos fan be a fan of someone so devoted to demonizing Broncos Rookie QB.

bowtown
11-26-2011, 09:19 AM
Elway has gone to great strides to get so many Broncos fans polarized into possessing a predjudice towards their own starting QB, from making them Believe that Orton gave the team a better chance at winning to making tebow out to be the reason why our 3rd down conversion rate is so aweful, when in fact play calling has played a huge role in it, not to mention the poor effort to develope Tebow.

Elway is a hypocrite, bad mouthing Tebow while praising Orton? Elway used to have a career throwing a football, his new career is throwing Tebow under the bus. How can any Broncos fan be a fan of someone so devoted to demonizing Broncos Rookie QB.

http://blog.sanriotown.com/mltf83:hellokitty.com/files/2009/02/drama_queen-360x347.jpg

jhns
11-26-2011, 09:23 AM
Elway has gone to great strides to get so many Broncos fans polarized into possessing a predjudice towards their own starting QB, from making them Believe that Orton gave the team a better chance at winning to making tebow out to be the reason why our 3rd down conversion rate is so aweful, when in fact play calling has played a huge role in it, not to mention the poor effort to develope Tebow.

Elway is a hypocrite, bad mouthing Tebow while praising Orton? Elway used to have a career throwing a football, his new career is throwing Tebow under the bus. How can any Broncos fan be a fan of someone so devoted to demonizing Broncos Rookie QB.

Yeah, not sure how people can claim he isn't starting controversy when so many, non Bronco fans included, have called him out on it. If anything, his being real is making him look like an idiot. 1-4 is the guy that gave us the best chance to win. He was the QB. 4-1 is week to week and constantly questioned. Sure, Elway knows what he is doing!

DrFate
11-26-2011, 09:46 AM
I find the juxtaposition interesting

Fans who ignore all of Tebow's failings
VS
Fans who ignore all of Elway's failings

FIGHT

http://thekoalition.com/images/2011/09/mk2_ps3_soon.jpg

Chris
11-26-2011, 09:58 AM
Fans who ignore all of Tebow's failings
VS
Fans who ignore all of Elway's failings

http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/1998/01/images/b/formats/large_web.jpg

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ScottXray
11-26-2011, 10:11 AM
Tim Tebow is one of the best quarterbacks in the world? The only question that has been answered is if the Broncos, as a team, can play well enough to win with a QB that can't be counted on to throw the ball. With him starting they have beat the Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, and Dolphins they have a combined record of 18-23.

I credit those wins to John Fox (not Tebow) revitalizing the defense, Von Miller becoming a pass rushing star, DJ Williams playing inspired football the last few weeks, Champ Bailey working through injuries, McCoy for coming up with an offense that can work with someone that can't throw, McGahee for his leader ship (notice he is the new captain not Tebow) and the ST for coming up big, particularly Colquitt. The offense has been a non factor for the majority of these games, and yet the Quarterback is interviewed after every game and asked how HE does it..

Except for the bold pretty accurate. John Fox didn't change the defense at all, although the return to health of some players is a factor. I really don't feel he should get much if any credit for the turn.
However you do not give Tebow enough credit because he also is part of the reason. Not ANY of the above is a single reason why we have won , and all of it combined means the TEAM started playing as one, with all sides supporting the other. Players are buying into the other players and the result is a fine thing to behold.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 10:23 AM
Decker has 34 catches. He has been targeted 70 times. Royal has 17 catches, and has been targeted 37 times, D Thomas has 7 catches, been targeted 21 times. They need to make more catches than they have been, and to blame Tebow's "inability" to throw the football as the sole reason suggests the person making that comment has not actually watched the games. Does Tebow need to work on his feet to increase his accuracy? Yes he does. Do the WR's need to make those plays when the ball is not always perfectly thrown? Of course.

It appears only with Tebow it is JUST his fault. The receivers always get 2 yards of seperation, run the right routes and always present a target for the QB to hit. All these complaints about the Tebownites failing to see his current shortcomings and apparently the same can be said of the people who are rigidly anti-Tebow. It can't be a young offense with young WR's and QB that need to develop together. We have a vet offense and Tebow is screwing it all up.

But back to the original point; when I say Decker, Thomas and Royal need to catch the ball more often, that is clearly a "no ****" statement.

:Broncos:

I watch every game. I would say it's Tebow's fault 80% of the time.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 10:25 AM
Elway has gone to great strides to get so many Broncos fans polarized into possessing a predjudice towards their own starting QB, from making them Believe that Orton gave the team a better chance at winning to making tebow out to be the reason why our 3rd down conversion rate is so aweful, when in fact play calling has played a huge role in it, not to mention the poor effort to develope Tebow.

Elway is a hypocrite, bad mouthing Tebow while praising Orton? Elway used to have a career throwing a football, his new career is throwing Tebow under the bus. How can any Broncos fan be a fan of someone so devoted to demonizing Broncos Rookie QB.

See? To a Tebow sack hanger mentioning that somebody needs to improve is "...throwing them under the bus." Any wonder why Broncos fans are sick of the Tebow cult?

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 10:37 AM
http://blog.sanriotown.com/mltf83:hellokitty.com/files/2009/02/drama_queen-360x347.jpg

If calling out the king responsible for their being a drama in the first place, makes me the queen then so be it.

But imagine how sweet of a position this team would be in if there was no drama being made in the first place. Is this team 8-2 rather than 5-5? How many games did Elways angst towards Tebow actually wind up costing us in the end?

Elways to blame, Ortons 2 losing seasons was deserved of him being a starter this season, but Tebow winning has him in an undeserved light with Elway? Really?

What is this guys malfunction? How can so many be so blind to the level of absurdity we are at the receiving end of from this guy?

I can hear Elway now if Newton, Dalton, Stafford, or even Peyton Manning during his rookie season was on this team, decrying over hos pathetic their turnover's are. I mean Elway would be ripping himself in to shreds if he was the QB playing for this team. Elway is whacked out of his god damn mind.

bowtown
11-26-2011, 10:41 AM
Except for the bold pretty accurate. John Fox didn't change the defense at all, although the return to health of some players is a factor. I really don't feel he should get much if any credit for the turn.
However you do not give Tebow enough credit because he also is part of the reason. Not ANY of the above is a single reason why we have won , and all of it combined means the TEAM started playing as one, with all sides supporting the other. Players are buying into the other players and the result is a fine thing to behold.

Gotcha... So the team started playing as one yet the coach of that team should get no credit for that.

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 10:42 AM
See? To a Tebow sack hanger mentioning that somebody needs to improve is "...throwing them under the bus." Any wonder why Broncos fans are sick of the Tebow cult?

No one is arguing that Tebow needs to improve, but seeing the night and day hypocritical treatment Elway has given Tebow when compared to Orton, well it speaks volumes in regards to how one was praised for losing and the other thrown under the bus for winning.

But how can someone who is an Elway sack hanger see that with those pairs bouncing around between them and their view of reality?

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 10:50 AM
No one is arguing that Tebow needs to improve, but seeing the night and day hypocritical treatment Elway has given Tebow when compared to Orton, well it speaks volumes in regards to how one was praised for losing and the other thrown under the bus for winning.

But how can someone who is an Elway sack hanger see that with those pairs bouncing around between them and their view of reality?

Orton is a vet. Elway, like any other veteran NFL player, will always give the respect a vet is due. A rookie has to earn that respect. I'm sure the vets in the Broncos' lockerroom feel perfectly fine with what Elway has said, while Tebow's little Glee squad weeps uncontrollably and plasters the site with their whiny threads.

HAT
11-26-2011, 10:51 AM
No one is arguing that Tebow needs to improve, but seeing the night and day hypocritical treatment Elway has given Tebow when compared to Orton, well it speaks volumes in regards to how one was praised for losing and the other thrown under the bus for winning.

But how can someone who is an Elway sack hanger see that with those pairs bouncing around between them and their view of reality?

It's almost like a betrayal.

peacepipe
11-26-2011, 11:05 AM
Except for the bold pretty accurate. John Fox didn't change the defense at all, although the return to health of some players is a factor. I really don't feel he should get much if any credit for the turn.
However you do not give Tebow enough credit because he also is part of the reason. Not ANY of the above is a single reason why we have won , and all of it combined means the TEAM started playing as one, with all sides supporting the other. Players are buying into the other players and the result is a fine thing to behold.

well considering he switched our defense from a 3-4 to a 4-3 he did change the rthe defense.

EmpireOrange
11-26-2011, 11:09 AM
Elway has gone to great strides to get so many Broncos fans polarized into possessing a predjudice towards their own starting QB, from making them Believe that Orton gave the team a better chance at winning to making tebow out to be the reason why our 3rd down conversion rate is so aweful, when in fact play calling has played a huge role in it, not to mention the poor effort to develope Tebow.

Elway is a hypocrite, bad mouthing Tebow while praising Orton? Elway used to have a career throwing a football, his new career is throwing Tebow under the bus. How can any Broncos fan be a fan of someone so devoted to demonizing Broncos Rookie QB.

Usually before I biatch slap a retard teboner I would enjoy lobbing over an insult or two to set the tone; however, I really think that you are literally too stupid to insult. Therefore, I will skip all that and just go right into the biatchslaping:

First off, my toothless swampdwelling enemy, THE Duke is the VP of football operations, not the coach. This is the NFL, swampturd, the front office provides the roster and the coach sets the line up and put the players in positions to win football games and SUPERBOWLS! If you'd take the tebownutz out of your mouth, you may wake up and realize that it was John Elway (front office VP) who tried to trade Orton, and John Fox (Coach) who started Orton, dipshiet!

Secondly, John Fox's decision to start a veteran QB with 3 years of experience in the system, after a short offseason, who can THROW THE DAMN BALL, was and is, a typical NFL call, and the right one. To start Orton over Tebow was a combination of two things: 1) Fox and his staff were new, and coming off a short and difficult off season, and 2) TEBOW SHOWED UP TO CAMP LESS NFL READY THAN HE DID HIS ROOKIE YEAR - A fact that we are seeing in all it glory today as Tebow missfires at WRs 5 yards down the field by 12 feet! See, swampnutz, this is the NFL which stands for NOT FOR LONG when you keep making bs calls like STARTING AS SECOND YEAR QB with a fullback skill sets who CAN'T THROW THE DAMN BALL. Starting Tebow after 5 games was an organizational decision lto go ahead and let the season go to rebuilding after a 1-4 start. Orton is a better QB than Tebow that's why he started. It was and is the best call. This is the NFL swampy!

3rd, TIM TEBOW IS NOT A ROOKIE QB. He is playing like one however. If you would take Tebow's goo out of you're ears and mouth, you would realize that THE Duke has not changed is postion on Tebow from day one and for good measure. THE FREAKING GUY IS 18% on THIRD DOWNS! He averages what, 60 passing yards a game? He can't hit a stationary WR 5 yards down the field. See, toothlesswonder, this is the NFL you can not win that way - I'm not talking about 4-1 start, I'm talking - John Elway's is talking about - WINNING SUPERBOWLS. Superbowls, dippido thats what why we are here. Hello? YOU PLAY TO WIN SUPERBOWLS!!!

4th, If you idiot teboners had shut you're cackholsters and paid attention, you would have noticed The Duke stating numberous times that with a full offseason on the horizion, he was looking forward to personally working with Tebow on being an NFL QB. Elway, the gold standard of quarterbacking was going to personally help Tebow. That is until you idiot teboners got in the way. See, pal, Elway is not polorizing Bronco fans. Elway has risen Bronco fans. Yes we have been dormant and a bit of a wine and cheese crowd for a 8 or so years but we are a rowdy crowd when risen. You teboners have screw your own idle. You idiots have turn BRONCO FANS and the organization (John freaking Elway - you idiots have lost your damn mind!John Elway!!) against Tebow. We have billboard too, swampboy. And we can boo much louder than you! Elway will be cutting this kid, because idiots like you have made him an organization killing cancer that no NFL GM will touch even with your d!ck! Take a look around dip**** the ground is starting to swell around you teboners and its about closing time for Mr. Tebow.

Lastly, Tim Tebow is a nice kid and really wished things were different. You teboners drew the line in the sand however and brought it into the mud. Once welcomed with open arms, Teboners and Tebow are no longer welcome. You're really starting to smell like two-day old fish there pal and it time for you to go. It was nice at first but now the toilets never flushed, the cat's pregnate, and the house smells like feet. Its time for you teboners to go. You can go quietly and let Tebow reap the benefits of developing under the tootleage of the greatest NFL quarterback to ever lace them up, or you may choose to continue to insult the traditions and pride of the greatness of Bronco football and you and Tebow will be pushing a grocery cart on NFL skid row before the final seconds of the superbowl tick off in Indy. Either or, Teboners are going to go. No longer will you falsely misrepresent Bronco fans, and you're going to learn real quick that attacking the Duke, you really shouldn't have done that.

Its closing time, swampy, time for you all to go now you're not welcome here no more.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 11:11 AM
LOL

Archer81
11-26-2011, 11:13 AM
Durr...


If you are representative of what Bronco fandom should be, then maybe I should rethink my fan of the team position.


:Broncos:

MagicHef
11-26-2011, 11:17 AM
If you are representative of what Bronco fandom should be, then maybe I should rethink my fan of the team position.


:Broncos:

Civility is only expected when one is defending Tebow.

Archer81
11-26-2011, 11:19 AM
Civility is only expected when one is defending Tebow.


Apparently.


:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
11-26-2011, 11:19 AM
Empire Orange is the lovechild of Alec and TGN.

DenverBroncosJM
11-26-2011, 11:20 AM
I would go with I check most threads and as who cares worthy as this one was I dropped the who cares gif... I'd figure someone like you would over simple it tho.

Now that you know I didn't want us to draft Tebow and that line of attack comes off stupid vs me you gotta have something to bish about , I get it...

The OM good times.


Side note We need a way for people to identify if others at the mane are pro Tebow , anti Tebow or neutral so they don't have to think very hard or read old post before they attack someone be it pro or anti Tebow sides.
I may work on that...

Here is the crux of the issue I am pro tebow but I am pro broncos.

I think Elway and Elway alone has turned this in to a circus. If he would stfu it would die down

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 11:21 AM
Empire Orange is the lovechild of Alec and TGN.

Reminds me of Slap.

EmpireOrange
11-26-2011, 11:22 AM
If you are representative of what Bronco fandom should be, then maybe I should rethink my fan of the team position.


:Broncos:

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, Sally

stopgap
11-26-2011, 11:23 AM
If you are representative of what Bronco fandom should be, then maybe I should rethink my fan of the team position.


:Broncos:

Anger management big-time.

Archer81
11-26-2011, 11:23 AM
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, Sally


GB2, chief.


:Broncos:

Shananahan
11-26-2011, 11:25 AM
I get the impression that Empire Orange just discovered compound words a few days ago.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 11:31 AM
I get the impression that Empire Orange just discovered compound words a few days ago.

He's right. The Tebow Glee Squad is now willing to attack Elway. In another thread, they attack Shannon Sharpe. I'm sure if Gradishar or TD said anything about Tebow other than a complete ass-kissing, they'd attack them too.

What EO brings to the table is some much needed comedy, IMO. But of course, like the religious Right from which (no doubt) many of them spring, the Teboners lack a sense of humor.

stopgap
11-26-2011, 11:35 AM
What EO brings to the table is some much needed comedy, IMO. But of course, like the religious Right from which (no doubt) many of them spring, the Teboners lack a sense of humor.

He needs to shorten his rants. Though I know suggestion is useless to a psychopath that invested so much into a football team that could give two ****s about him.

Archer81
11-26-2011, 11:35 AM
He's right. The Tebow Glee Squad is now willing to attack Elway. In another thread, they attack Shannon Sharpe. I'm sure if Gradishar or TD said anything about Tebow other than a complete ass-kissing, they'd attack them too.

What EO brings to the table is some much needed comedy, IMO. But of course, like the religious Right from which (no doubt) many of them spring, the Teboners lack a sense of humor.


I'm under the impression EO is a poster with multiple accounts amusing himself.


:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
11-26-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm under the impression EO is a poster with multiple accounts amusing himself.


:Broncos:

There it is.

stopgap
11-26-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm under the impression EO is a poster with multiple accounts amusing himself.


:Broncos:

ala MacGruder

KO5K
11-26-2011, 11:37 AM
What EO brings to the table is some much needed comedy, IMO

What's funny is how you condemn people slating Elway, but encourage people slating Tebow and his fans.

Doesn't make any sense to me, I don't see how either should be encouraged.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 11:38 AM
I'm under the impression EO is a poster with multiple accounts amusing himself.


:Broncos:

He's amusing me too. "My toothless swampdwelling enemy" really reminds me of Slap gold. :rofl:

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 11:39 AM
ala MacGruder

MacGruder couldn't come up with something that clever if you fed him an entire box of Milkbones.

stopgap
11-26-2011, 11:46 AM
MacGruder couldn't come up with something that clever if you fed him an entire box of Milkbones.

I wasn't claiming Mac was OE. I meant they are both obvious trolling AE's

theAPAOps5
11-26-2011, 12:04 PM
Just think if the thread title was missing just one single little i this thread would be up to 20 pages now.

AlphaSeirra
11-26-2011, 12:42 PM
Usually I would enjoy lobbing over an insult or two to set the tone;
I will skip all that and just go right into the biatchslaping:

First off, my toothless swampdwelling enemy,
THE Duke is the VP of football operations, not the coach.
This is the NFL, swampturd, the front office provides the roster and the coach sets the line up
and put the players in positions to win football games and SUPERBOWLS!
you're going to learn real quick that attacking the Duke, you really shouldn't have done that.

Its closing time, swampy, time for you all to go now you're not welcome here no more.

Hilarious! The Perfect Prime Example of a Generous and Courteous Pro Football Fan.

Unlike all those nasty/rude Tebow supporters..... :~ohyah!:
And 'The Duke' is John Wayne, not John Elway,,, Elway is Saint John the Untouchable. :curtsey:

So it's biatchslaping time huh?

Well, then you won't mind if I do a little moron-thumping of my own then,,, right ???

Did you know that ole Swampy UF has played for 4 Division-1 Natl Championships since 1995.
Two mNC's in 1995/96.
Both were against the #1 Ranked Team.
UF split with them going 1-1.

Two BCS-NC's in 2006/08.
Both were also against the #1 Ranked Team, plus BOTH had the Heisman Trophy QB.
UF was 2-0 against those two #1 Ranked and Heisman QB'ed teams.

So Swampy ole UF has gone 3-1 against that stacked NC deck.
1995 UF lost to what many call the Best College team in D-1 History (95/Neb), the Huskers won big.
1996 UF 52 - 20 Bowden/FSU
2006 UF 41 - 14 tOSU (Troy Smith Heisman)
2008 UF 24 - 14 Okla (Sam Bradford Heisman)
That's a .750 NC'ship winning % going in as the underdog team all 4 times. Not bad huh? ^5

So, how many SB wins have your donkeys played for, and how many won since 1995?
Were their opponents the favored team with a HoF QB?
Denver is only .400 All Time in their 5 SB games if I remember correctly?
===========

I have actually been a part-time Bronc fan since the old Orange Crush & The 3 Amigos days.
(Oh BTW, how would St John have done IF their E-VP & HBC had traded away the best 2
out of the 3 Amigos to start the season?)

I say 'part time' because I'm mostly a college football fan, not a No Fun League fan.
I follow players more than individual Pro teams as a result, but I do have a couple of
favorite pro team, and Denver is one of them.
So while I still had a mild interest in the Broncos before Tebow was drafted, you're right
that I probably would not be posting here if not for Tim. (lucky you :kiss:)

I invite ANY of you 'real' Bronco fans to point out anytime that I post a technical mistake
or post any FALSE information or claims about the Bronco's Team, Coaching Staff, or FO/Owner.

I do the same for Tebow when morons post false-diss on him, and that alone makes me a Tebowite in your eyes.

If that doesn't suit the twits like you, then I'm good with you using the IGNORE option for me.

Why you might ask; because the ones posting are a small group compared to those who just come here to read?
The twits posting can only control what they do, not what anyone else reads. :P

Now you have yourself a real nice day, ya hear? :yayaya:

crawdad
11-26-2011, 12:48 PM
Tebow knows he must get better


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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP)


http://o.static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2011/10/10/tebows_2011101014213810_202_97.JPG TIME FOR TEBOW



Stop debating and enjoy the winning (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-denver-broncos-plays-ugly-but-wins-in-the-end-against-new-york-jets-111811)
Tebow 'Jesus' jerseys causing stir (http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/tim_tebow_jesus_jerseys_draw_mixed_emotions_from_h oliday_shoppers/8111617)
Witz: Broncos meet Tebow halfway (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Denver-Broncos-Tim-Tebow-improves-using-his-strengths-against-110611)
Engel: Why do haters hate Tebow? (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-why-the-heck-do-we-hate-him-110211)



John Elway took plenty of heat for affirming the conventional wisdom across the league: Tim Tebow (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/tim-tebow/766555) must improve his passing and his third-down conversions if he is to succeed in the NFL.
While his legion of supporters took to Twitter and the airwaves to assail Elway for not sticking up for Denver's young quarterback, Tebow ever so graciously agreed with his boss, saying he most certainly has to complete more passes and find ways for his team to stay on the field.
Less than half of Tebow's throws, 44.8 percent, are finding their targets and less than a quarter of the Broncos (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/denver-broncs/67044)' third-down plays, 23.6 percent, are working out since he took over from Kyle Orton at halftime against the Chargers on Oct. 9.
Boosting his passing prowess is a meticulous and mostly individual process, but upgrading the third-down success rate is a team effort, offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said.
''I think we've got to, as a whole, all 11 guys, do a better job of executing it whether we're running the ball or throwing it. ... We've got to do a better job planning, possibly, and making some adjustments here and there as the game goes along. It's all of us, we've got to all do a better job.''
Tebow's completion rate ranks dead last among the four dozen NFL players who have attempted at least 20 throws this season, and since he took over as the starter, the Broncos have converted just 17 of 72 third downs.

AlphaSeirra
11-26-2011, 12:59 PM
Tebow knows he must get better

Tebow's completion rate ranks dead last among the four dozen NFL players who have attempted at least 20 throws this season, and since he took over as the starter, the Broncos have converted just 17 of 72 third downs.

Yep, very true, and in other Breaking News, the sky is Blue..... :flower:

Those above stats are just fine, now explain these stats for us.

Tebow is currently #2 in the NFL behind only Aaron Rogers in TD/Int Ratio.

Tebow currently has an .800 winning % as the Broncos 2011 Starter.

:wave:

ScottXray
11-26-2011, 01:34 PM
This Tebow thing is getting crazy.

I like Tebow... I'm a big believer in him. But a little perspective is still needed here... at some point he's going to have to prove that he can pass more. I think he'll but up for the challenge. But he still has to prove it.

Elway is just tempering expectations and being realistic here. I for one trust his judgement and give him the benefit of the doubt. In my book he's earned it.

Elway gives us fans what we usually clamor for.... a little more transparency and honesty... and how do some fans repay him?

I like Tebow, but am not sold that he is the QBOTF. At the same time I like MOST of what Elway has done. But in this case I side with the faction that thinks Elway screwed up with his Twitter comments. I don't think the reactions on Twitter are justified, but the fact is that THAT is what Twitter is. Anyone can join it and post a comment, including idiots.

The main thing that is screwed up is that one main tenet of good management is that if you don't have anything GOOD to say , then don't say anything at all. He screwed up by saying something interpreted as non-supportive when he could have defused the situation by throwing out the usual pablum that most GMs do....."We like the progress were seeing but a full evaluation of the QB play will occur AFTER the season is over."

This allowed the 24 hours media to take off on the Tebow situation all over again. And inflamed the Tebowites.

I'm sure that Elway doesn't really care what is said on Twitter about him....but if he does care then he should use more common sense and realise that the best answer is a non answer, when it comes to TT.

broncolife
11-26-2011, 01:51 PM
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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP)


http://o.static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2011/10/10/tebows_2011101014213810_202_97.JPG TIME FOR TEBOW



Stop debating and enjoy the winning (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-denver-broncos-plays-ugly-but-wins-in-the-end-against-new-york-jets-111811)
Tebow 'Jesus' jerseys causing stir (http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/tim_tebow_jesus_jerseys_draw_mixed_emotions_from_h oliday_shoppers/8111617)
Witz: Broncos meet Tebow halfway (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Denver-Broncos-Tim-Tebow-improves-using-his-strengths-against-110611)
Engel: Why do haters hate Tebow? (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-why-the-heck-do-we-hate-him-110211)



John Elway took plenty of heat for affirming the conventional wisdom across the league: Tim Tebow (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/tim-tebow/766555) must improve his passing and his third-down conversions if he is to succeed in the NFL.
While his legion of supporters took to Twitter and the airwaves to assail Elway for not sticking up for Denver's young quarterback, Tebow ever so graciously agreed with his boss, saying he most certainly has to complete more passes and find ways for his team to stay on the field.
Less than half of Tebow's throws, 44.8 percent, are finding their targets and less than a quarter of the Broncos (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/denver-broncs/67044)' third-down plays, 23.6 percent, are working out since he took over from Kyle Orton at halftime against the Chargers on Oct. 9.
Boosting his passing prowess is a meticulous and mostly individual process, but upgrading the third-down success rate is a team effort, offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said.
''I think we've got to, as a whole, all 11 guys, do a better job of executing it whether we're running the ball or throwing it. ... We've got to do a better job planning, possibly, and making some adjustments here and there as the game goes along. It's all of us, we've got to all do a better job.'' Tebow's completion rate ranks dead last among the four dozen NFL players who have attempted at least 20 throws this season, and since he took over as the starter, the Broncos have converted just 17 of 72 third downs

I never liked Mccoy but he seems to be better at this PR thing than John

Inkana7
11-26-2011, 02:12 PM
Your Broncos fanbase:

Shanahan never said anything: fans get upset.

McDaniels LIESSSS: fans get upset.

Elway gives honest assessments: fans get upset.

broncolife
11-26-2011, 02:15 PM
Your Broncos fanbase:

Shanahan never said anything: fans get upset.

McDaniels LIESSSS: fans get upset.

Elway gives honest assessments: fans get upset.

hey,hey, Shanahan brought us video footage of hits and lie detectors too :)

Inkana7
11-26-2011, 02:24 PM
hey,hey, Shanahan brought us video footage of hits and lie detectors too :)

You're makin' me all nostalgic for David Kircus, man!

t-diddy
11-26-2011, 02:25 PM
Your Broncos fanbase:

Shanahan never said anything: fans get upset.

McDaniels LIESSSS: fans get upset.

Elway gives honest assessments: fans get upset.

Shanahan = Coach

McDaniels = Coach

Elway = Not a Coach

Coaches makes decisions on playing time, Johns position is to decide who has a job. Right or wrong his words are taken in a different context. That being said, I think everyone involved could benefit by growing some thicker skin.

stopgap
11-26-2011, 02:30 PM
Your Broncos fanbase:



Elway gives honest assessments: fans get upset.

That's a generalization

Inkana7
11-26-2011, 02:34 PM
Shanahan = Coach

McDaniels = Coach

Elway = Not a Coach

Coaches makes decisions on playing time, Johns position is to decide who has a job. Right or wrong his words are taken in a different context. That being said, I think everyone involved could benefit by growing some thicker skin.

Shanahan and McDaniels were both coaches with total control over football affairs, the power that Elway now holds.

KO5K
11-26-2011, 03:24 PM
Elway gives honest assessments: fans get upset.

Here's my problem.

Elway comes out and says Tim's third down % isn't good enough to win a championship.

Ok fine, it's an honest assessment, but it's also a totally pointless assessment.

For starters, holding Tebow accountable for our third down % is pretty unfair. But more importantly, how many QBs game is good enough to win a championship after 8 starts?

Answer = hardly any.

Such a pointless assessment just comes across as trying to criticize the guy to me.

Powderaddict
11-26-2011, 03:49 PM
I hop the Broncos with Tebow don't win the Superbowl this year.

Drafting 32nd would be bad for Denver's future chances to win a Superbowl.

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 03:50 PM
Elway being honest? Where was the honesty when Orton was stinking up the place, Elway is not being honest he is being a hypocrite.

Was giving Fox the credit for the teams sudden turn around from 1-4 to 4-1 honest or BS?

Meck77
11-26-2011, 04:56 PM
Elway is using negative reinforcement on Tebow and it's working. Tebow is wired to win. He's use to it and Elway knows this. What many of you may not remember is that Elway struggled in his early years at QB and didn't even post his first 80+ qb rating until 1987. His second 1993. What he did do is run his friggen ass off. HMMM......Come on Orange Mane GMs. Pay attention here.

RELAX............... Enjoy the show. No need to hate or disrespect on one another so much. It's a football game and one of the best of all times is grooming a QB his way. Not your way.

GreatBronco16
11-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Dang this thread is still going?Hilarious!

TailgateNut
11-26-2011, 05:46 PM
Tebow knows he must get better


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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP)


http://o.static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2011/10/10/tebows_2011101014213810_202_97.JPG TIME FOR TEBOW



Stop debating and enjoy the winning (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-denver-broncos-plays-ugly-but-wins-in-the-end-against-new-york-jets-111811)
Tebow 'Jesus' jerseys causing stir (http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/tim_tebow_jesus_jerseys_draw_mixed_emotions_from_h oliday_shoppers/8111617)
Witz: Broncos meet Tebow halfway (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Denver-Broncos-Tim-Tebow-improves-using-his-strengths-against-110611)
Engel: Why do haters hate Tebow? (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-why-the-heck-do-we-hate-him-110211)



John Elway took plenty of heat for affirming the conventional wisdom across the league: Tim Tebow (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/tim-tebow/766555) must improve his passing and his third-down conversions if he is to succeed in the NFL.
While his legion of supporters took to Twitter and the airwaves to assail Elway for not sticking up for Denver's young quarterback, Tebow ever so graciously agreed with his boss, saying he most certainly has to complete more passes and find ways for his team to stay on the field.
Less than half of Tebow's throws, 44.8 percent, are finding their targets and less than a quarter of the Broncos (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/denver-broncs/67044)' third-down plays, 23.6 percent, are working out since he took over from Kyle Orton at halftime against the Chargers on Oct. 9.
Boosting his passing prowess is a meticulous and mostly individual process, but upgrading the third-down success rate is a team effort, offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said.
''I think we've got to, as a whole, all 11 guys, do a better job of executing it whether we're running the ball or throwing it. ... We've got to do a better job planning, possibly, and making some adjustments here and there as the game goes along. It's all of us, we've got to all do a better job.''
Tebow's completion rate ranks dead last among the four dozen NFL players who have attempted at least 20 throws this season, and since he took over as the starter, the Broncos have converted just 17 of 72 third downs.


Don't confuse Alpha with stats which mirror Timmys performance in the Pro's. He's still hung up on all the great things hee did in college.
I know of other QB's who were great in college but couldn't make it in the NFL. IMO, the front office and the coaching staff ****ed up by starting Timmy before he was ready for his pro debut. He's destined for the trash heap.

TailgateNut
11-26-2011, 05:49 PM
Yep, very true, and in other Breaking News, the sky is Blue..... :flower:

Those above stats are just fine, now explain these stats for us.

Tebow is currently #2 in the NFL behind only Aaron Rogers in TD/Int Ratio.

Tebow currently has an .800 winning % as the Broncos 2011 Starter.

:wave:

Hilarious!if you don't throw the ****ing ball the opposing defense can't intercept it!:yayaya:

TonyR
11-26-2011, 05:56 PM
Here's my problem.

Elway comes out and says Tim's third down % isn't good enough to win a championship.

Ok fine, it's an honest assessment, but it's also a totally pointless assessment.

For starters, holding Tebow accountable for our third down % is pretty unfair. But more importantly, how many QBs game is good enough to win a championship after 8 starts?

Answer = hardly any.

Such a pointless assessment just comes across as trying to criticize the guy to me.

Actually he didn't say "Tim's third down %". Here's what he did say:

"When you look at our third-down numbers, those have to improve, and that's the bottom line," Elway said on his radio show. "... We can't go 3 of 13 and win a world championship." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7269318/denver-broncos-tim-tebow-responds-john-elway-jake-plummer-remarks

I underlined the key words for you.

errand
11-26-2011, 05:57 PM
There I fixed it for you. :P

There I fixed it for you...lol

errand
11-26-2011, 06:18 PM
Decker has 34 catches. He has been targeted 70 times. Royal has 17 catches, and has been targeted 37 times, D Thomas has 7 catches, been targeted 21 times.


Well to use one of your patented Tebow defenses...how can these kids get better if Tebow cannot instill enough confidence in his coaches to alloow him to throw more passes their way?



They need to make more catches than they have been, and to blame Tebow's "inability" to throw the football as the sole reason suggests the person making that comment has not actually watched the games. Does Tebow need to work on his feet to increase his accuracy? Yes he does. Do the WR's need to make those plays when the ball is not always perfectly thrown? Of course.


Wow, will the Tebow effect ever stop? Now he's caused all these WR's that hadn't dropped nary a pass in the first 4.5 games to all of sudden they couldn't catch a cold...the problem is that the majority of his passes aren't even close to being perfectly thrown, although his 56 bomb to Decker was a thing of beauty

It appears only with Tebow it is JUST his fault.

Well, in fairness, everyone gave Orton the lion's share of blame...more than Tebow gets that's for sure.


The receivers always get 2 yards of seperation, run the right routes and always present a target for the QB to hit.

I suppose you missed those couple of ones that sailed over wide open WR's heads...kid in row 20 says "Thanks Timmy!"


All these complaints about the Tebownites failing to see his current shortcomings and apparently the same can be said of the people who are rigidly anti-Tebow. It can't be a young offense with young WR's and QB that need to develop together. We have a vet offense and Tebow is screwing it all up.

no we do have a young team, especially on offense...but why no sympathy for Decker when he does drop a pass? Afterall he's been a starter for just as many games as Tebow has....and didn't have the benefit of OTA's etc...just like Timmy.

But back to the original point; when I say Decker, Thomas and Royal need to catch the ball more often, that is clearly a "no ****" statement.


Yes, they do need to catch passes that are catchable...no one says they shouldn't...but it's also a "No ****" statement that Tim needs to start becoming more accurate with the ball

:Broncos:

in bold

errand
11-26-2011, 06:27 PM
Hilarious!if you don't throw the ****ing ball the opposing defense can't intercept it!:yayaya:


I know you're being a smart-ass, but you do have a point...


But then again one of the NFL's best pass defenses belongs to Cleveland...who sucks vs rush...so why fly if you can drive, so to speak.

I'm more concerned with us not being able to throw the ball consistently if we have to.....but it is hard to argue with 4-1.

I just wanna see marked improvement in the kid, not as concerned with wins as much as that. But being in the playoff chase is exciting considering we've not been in one for a few seasons....and while tim's not the only reason he's a part of the reason we are looking at a possible playoff appearance/division title

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 06:46 PM
Hilarious!if you don't throw the ****ing ball the opposing defense can't intercept it!:yayaya:


Tim Tebow 125 attempts per int

1 Aaron Rodgers ~ 98
2 Tom Brady ~ 36
3 Drew Brees ~ 38
4 Tony Romo ~ 44
5 Eli Manning ~ 40
6 Matt Schaub ~ 49
7 Alex Smith ~ 79
8 Ben Roethlisberger ~39
9 Matthew Stafford ~ 45
10 Matt Hasselbeck ~ 45

Archer81
11-26-2011, 07:05 PM
in bold


I said specifically that Tebow needs to improve his footwork. The WR's need to work on getting open and creating space for themselves. I also said the offense is young, and only working with one another will improve the passing game. You will not find a single post by me where I am completely satisfied with how Tebow plays. He needs to get better, obviously. So do the WR's. So stating the WR's need to make a catch once and awhile is clearly true. Just as true as saying that the guy throwing the football needs to work on consistently putting it where the WR can catch it.

As for the throws 20 yards over WR's heads...how about the ones that HIT the receivers in the hands and they do NOT make the catch? At what point is it not who is throwing the ball but the dude trying to catch it?

Good discussion, BTW.

:Broncos:

Wes Mantooth
11-26-2011, 07:09 PM
Hilarious!if you don't throw the ****ing ball the opposing defense can't intercept it!:yayaya:

'cmon bro, be nice. He worked hard to find a couple of stats that puts Tebow in elite company.

broncocalijohn
11-26-2011, 07:20 PM
That's a generalization

You could say that about every opinion. It is like a broadcast where the opinon of "everyone" doesn't really mean that but a huge percentage of the subject. Posting, like broadcasting, is to the broad audience. Sometimes, broads like yourself, don't understand that. :strong:
PS: Im getting you an orange jersey avatar for Christmas.

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 07:24 PM
'cmon bro, be nice. He worked hard to find a couple of stats that puts Tebow in elite company.

A couple of stats? Clearly you have not been paying attention. I've done my homework, all you have to do is follow the link (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=101547&page=4)to the quote below to see how far the betrayal rabbit hole goes...

Orton already figured it out, it takes an elite QB to win with this scheme...


Betrayal

To illustrate just how far Elway and Fox have gone out of their way to make Tebow look bad in the passing game, all we have to do is go back to Tebows first 3 starts and compare them to his last 3.

Tebow went from 217 passing yards per game average in his first 3 games,
To pass for less than 100 yards per game average in his last three games.

•651 passing yards in 3 games of 2010
•297 yards in Tebows last 3 games of 2011
How much proof do you need to see Elway has had Tebow in shut down mode.
The difference is less than 1600 passing yards a season, and nearly a 3,500 passing yards per season average.

Tebow has 8 TD's in his 5 starts this season.
Tebow had 7 TD's in just 3 starts last season.

The difference is 22 TD's a season to 37 TD's per season when projecting the before and after results of Elways impact.

Thing is, Tebow was well on his way to crushing John Elways all time seasonal best yardage record as well as his all time best seasonal TD record, before Tebow was shut down by this diobalical duo. Yet despite Elway maliciously spiting Tebow, he has managed to even still rise above to taking a 1-4 team to being 4-1.

Betrayal

Just coincidence that the Broncos awesome rushing offense had the reigns pulled back on them from pounding the Lions rushing defense which happens to be one of the worst in the league, this so Elway could throw Tebow into the teeth of the Lions top 5 passing offense with 45 one dimensional passing plays? Just coincidence eh?

Tim Tebow made his 2011 home starting debut vs. Lions

If this was not payback time for the fans who forced Elway and Fox to start Tebow, I don't know what is.

How do you deliberately refuse to pound one of the leagues worst rushing defenses, with one of the leagues best rushing offenses, by diabolically jerking back the reigns of the RB's to just 5 carries in the 6 consecutive drives of the first half following a 50 yard pounding in the first drive?

To then send Tebow into the teeth of the Lions top 5 passing defense, by forcing him into 45 pass plays in just his second start, with less than a month of parctice with his receiving corps? With sly Foxes whacked out passing scheme? Make no mistake about it, the Lions game was pay back time to the fans, courtesy of the two Johns who stunk up Mile High.

How in the hell do you abandon the run after posting 50 yards on the first drive with it, and then leave Tebow hung out to dry with a passing game that only affords him 5 running plays by the RB's in the next 6 drives against one of the worst rushing defenses in the league?

Elway and Sly Fox intentionally went against the grain of how they ought to have game planned a defense that had one of the worst rushing defense and one of the best passing defenses. The opponents could not have drawn up a worst game plan for the Broncos to attempt and execute, especially considering the circumstances of Tebows lack of chemistry with his receivers.

The week before Tebow was held to only 8 passing attempts in the first 3 quarters for goodness sakes.

Betrayal

Elways sabotaging antics know no bounds. I mean Tebow only throwing it 16 times in 2 games worth of quarters, proves how desperate Elway and Fox is in their endeavor to shut down Tebows passing game. Especially when you consider the opponent possessed the 21st averaged passing defense.

8 attempts against the Chiefs, over 60% where high risk passes
8 attempts against the Dolphins in the first 3 quarters, despite winnign with the passing game
Zero attempts in the Raiders 4th quarter, despite having thown 2 TD passes

Hall of Famer Steve Young said it best, if I was in Tebow's shoes and trying to prove myself as an NFL QB and they let him only throw 3 passes per half he would be "livid" and ask to be released/traded and go to a team where they would allow him to have the opportunity to throw the ball to develop as a QB... he also stated that if he heard his coach make the same comment about being screwed in a regular offense he'd be mad as hell. Not only did fox say screwed, but he also called his passing game crap.

Betrayal

Tebow has had only 24 passing attempts in 5 1/2 games while the team was either tied or ahead. He was forced to throw the other 101 of his passing attempts while the team was behind.

Allowing the ultr-conservative scheme to position the team to being behind, before Tebow is allowed to predictably attempt to regain the lead with the passing game has played a huge role in compromising his passing game. Especially when you consider the amount of attempts in predictable passing downs.

A whopping 18 attempts per game when we are behind, compared to only 4 attempts when we are tied or ahead proves without a shadow of a doubt that the scheme is only interested in exploiting and sabotaging Tebows passing game rather than aiming to develope it.

Betrayal

During the Chiefs game, how was giving Tebow only 8 passing attempts, of which 63% of the passes where high risk deep passing plays, supposed to do anything but stunt the growth of Tebows passing game? Where in the hell are all those high percentage plays Orton executed virtually 100% of the time.

When you do the math, it all adds up, it is not hard, it is actually rather easy to figure out what went wrong with Tebows completion percentage when you factor in John Foxes pathetic coaching into the equation.

Could Tebows completion percentages decline be the result of having zero reps actually practicing with his starting receiving corp, until emerged as the current QB? Yes

Could Tebows completion percentages decline possibly be the result of having his No.1 and No.2 receivers traded, to then be left with starting receivers who like Tebow may as well be rookies in their own right? and yes

Could Tebows completion percentages decline possibly be the result of a passing scheme that is night and day from resembling what a regular modern era offensive passing scheme ought to look like? Yes

Betrayal

For instance if you take away just two drives from the Raiders game, Tebow looks like Aaron Rogers with his 73% completion percentage and two passing TD's. Why must you take out the two drives? Because the play-calling was about as incompetantly ludicrous as humanly possible.

Seeing Tebows two passing TD's and 73% completion percentage buried in the Raider game, beneath John Foxes second quarter adjustment that forced Tebow into a predictably one dimensional come from behind adjustment to the opponent reveals just how pathetically weak John is at adjusting.

It is truly eye opening eye opening when you factor in the influence the sly foxesplay calling has on the demise of Tebows passing game wise. Forcing Tebow to pass it 6 times for every run on the 14 plays of the two last drives of the second half, is a testament to the ball and chain of the sabotaging scheme Tebow has been forced to drag around win after win.

Foxes adjustments expose how far on the other end of the spectrum he is when it comes to possessing an ability to actually employ a normal modern era passing offense. His passing scheme is not primitive, it is just whacked. 6 passing plays to one rush in 14 consecutive plays? Who in the hell can defend this level of incompetance regarding the whacked play-calling.

John Foxes passing scheme, has for the most part, lacked the continuity and balance that is a vital dimensionality instrumental to any successful passing offense. Putting Tebow in the position of being forced into one predictable pass play after another, while playing from behind did nothing more than play into the strength of the opponents defense, while destroying Tebows completion percentage.

It is a fact that the stupid adjustments Fox made in the second quarter of the Raiders game was indeed the very thing that killed Tebows completion percentage that game.

errand
11-26-2011, 07:35 PM
Got to laugh at alpha sierra.....

I cannot recall a solitary bronco fan (even part-time ones) that ever referred to their favorite team as the donkeys.

We definitely know one guy that will leave if Tebow ever is released by the broncos

broncocalijohn
11-26-2011, 07:35 PM
Tim Tebow 125 attempts per int

1 Aaron Rodgers ~ 98
2 Tom Brady ~ 36
3 Drew Brees ~ 38
4 Tony Romo ~ 44
5 Eli Manning ~ 40
6 Matt Schaub ~ 49
7 Alex Smith ~ 79
8 Ben Roethlisberger ~39
9 Matthew Stafford ~ 45
10 Matt Hasselbeck ~ 45

I smell an Alpha Seirra in the making here.

errand
11-26-2011, 07:47 PM
I smell an Alpha Seirra in the making here.

They are becoming easier to spot now aren't they?

Blueflame
11-26-2011, 07:49 PM
A couple of stats? Clearly you have not been paying attention. I've done my homework, all you have to do is follow the link (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=101547&page=4)to the quote below to see how far the betrayal rabbit hole goes...

Orton already figured it out, it takes an elite QB to win with this scheme...

Dude if people didn't read that long-ass post the first time you posted it, they're certainly not going to read it just because you quoted yourself.

TL. DR.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 07:49 PM
Got to laugh at alpha sierra.....

I cannot recall a solitary bronco fan (even part-time ones) that ever referred to their favorite team as the donkeys.

We definitely know one guy that will leave if Tebow ever is released by the broncos

I don't think most of these Tebowettes had even heard of the Broncos until Josh drafted Timmy.

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 07:52 PM
Actually he didn't say "Tim's third down %". Here's what he did say:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7269318/denver-broncos-tim-tebow-responds-john-elway-jake-plummer-remarks

I underlined the key words for you.

http://ownednfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/owned_girl_punch.jpg

Broncbow
11-26-2011, 07:54 PM
Context

There I underlined it for you~!!:redpunch:

Rohirrim
11-26-2011, 07:55 PM
Hilarious!if you don't throw the ****ing ball the opposing defense can't intercept it!:yayaya:

If Timmy can keep up this four passes a game clip he could end up with the best QB rating in the league!

broncocalijohn
11-26-2011, 07:57 PM
They are becoming easier to spot now aren't they?

Even easier when Alpha is on ignore. I am keeping an eye on this one now. I think it is his alternate account or his buddy from Gainsville.

Turd_Ferguson
11-26-2011, 08:26 PM
Tim Tebow 125 attempts per int

1 Aaron Rodgers ~ 98
2 Tom Brady ~ 36
3 Drew Brees ~ 38
4 Tony Romo ~ 44
5 Eli Manning ~ 40
6 Matt Schaub ~ 49
7 Alex Smith ~ 79
8 Ben Roethlisberger ~39
9 Matthew Stafford ~ 45
10 Matt Hasselbeck ~ 45

When Tebow throws a bad pass, its usually so bad no one can catch it offense or defense. So 8 throws, 2 good ones, 5 in the dirt, 1 into the stands... He is pretty efficient.

Mile High Mojoe
11-26-2011, 09:22 PM
Krieger: Elway on fringe of Tebow tirade
http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_19409161

It's a good read. It basically says the open communication thing is a double-edged sword. It also highlights how stupid the <s>Bronco</s> Florida fans are being. The comments under the article pretty much say it all.


::) Agamemon, Alpha Sierra and Macgruder all joined shortly after Tebow was drafted. I suspect one or both wrote the above. They're a bunch of idiots who worship everything Tebow does and blame everything he doesn't on everyone but him. I want Tebow to succeed, he's an easy player to root for, but when I read comments like these, I almost hope we trade him so we don't have to put up with these idiots.

The thing I’m most sick of when he comes to when talking about Tebow is how anyone who supports him or wants him to succeed must “worship him” or must be some wacked out right wing evangelical Christian.

I neither “worship” him nor am I an evangelical Christian so where does that leave a fan like me? Haters put all Tebow supports into a box with no way out. It’s an extreme generalization which far too many who don’t like Tebow whether for his play on the field or his religion have done on the OM and nationwide.

I find it offensive to be called a “Teboner” too, I’m not gay and no man gives me a boner. No asshole not even TGN would have the balls to call someone a Teboner in public or private and if delivered the way some have said it here. If said to me in the same context as had been said on the OM in public, I might get mad enough to punch you in the nose.

I’m first and foremost a Broncos Fan who wants a winner on the field; I could care less how it’s done or how ugly it is. I could even care less about what his faith is. Broncos Fans who want to attack other Broncos Fans because they support a player or a winning team makes no sense. You can rage all day long about next year’s draft, Tebow inadequacies, or Elway’s statements to the media but in the end if the team keeps winning none of it matters.

Tebow has not got a break from too many so called Broncos Fans based on his short 8 game career, his personality or his religious beliefs. Those that have been the most critical about him I think want to see him fail or replaced based more on his beliefs than his game. If Tebow didn’t believe in anything a lot of the BS about him wouldn’t even be discussed especially since the team is winning.

I fully expect Elway to be scouting college QB’s and all other positions until the end of the season and into the off season. That’s his job; I don’t believe he’s made up his mind yet about anything. The armchair GM’s on the OM have but he certainly hasn’t. I believe Elway for all his doubts wants him to be successful, win games and prove he’s worthy of coming back next year. He is rough around the edges but once he gets them smoothed out he could be a very special player.

So cut him and us Broncos Fans who support him some freakin’ slack and let this thing play out for a few more weeks. Then by all means go into full spin mode.

Turd_Ferguson
11-26-2011, 09:32 PM
So cut him and me

Thats better.

stopgap
11-27-2011, 02:10 AM
You could say that about every opinion. It is like a broadcast where the opinon of "everyone" doesn't really mean that but a huge percentage of the subject. Posting, like broadcasting, is to the broad audience. Sometimes, broads like yourself, don't understand that. :strong:
PS: Im getting you an orange jersey avatar for Christmas.

I better set the record straight right now. I wore the pink jersey AV because of your rant about pink jersey's awhile back.

No aggression behind it. Just thought you'd get a kick out of it or piss you off even more (I hoped for the former which seems to be the case).

I'm a dude. I don't see anything wrong if the females want to wear pink jerseys. Many a girl can't stand football. Take what you can get.

TailgateNut
11-27-2011, 05:21 AM
When Tebow throws a bad pass, its usually so bad no one can catch it offense or defense. So 8 throws, 2 good ones, 5 in the dirt, 1 into the stands... He is pretty efficient.


Notice he didn't state a completion % to accompany his super stat. Hell, the only peeps who can catch some of timmys passes are those sitting in the first 10 rows.

.....and he winds up......and swoosh.....it's over the receivers head by a mile...

TailgateNut
11-27-2011, 05:25 AM
The thing I’m most sick of when he comes to when talking about Tebow is how anyone who supports him or wants him to succeed must “worship him” or must be some wacked out right wing evangelical Christian.

I neither “worship” him nor am I an evangelical Christian so where does that leave a fan like me? Haters put all Tebow supports into a box with no way out. It’s an extreme generalization which far too many who don’t like Tebow whether for his play on the field or his religion have done on the OM and nationwide.

I find it offensive to be called a “Teboner” too, I’m not gay and no man gives me a boner. No a-hole not even TGN would have the balls to call someone a Teboner in public or private and if delivered the way some have said it here. If said to me in the same context as had been said on the OM in public, I might get mad enough to punch you in the nose.

I’m first and foremost a Broncos Fan who wants a winner on the field; I could care less how it’s done or how ugly it is. I could even care less about what his faith is. Broncos Fans who want to attack other Broncos Fans because they support a player or a winning team makes no sense. You can rage all day long about next year’s draft, Tebow inadequacies, or Elway’s statements to the media but in the end if the team keeps winning none of it matters.

Tebow has not got a break from too many so called Broncos Fans based on his short 8 game career, his personality or his religious beliefs. Those that have been the most critical about him I think want to see him fail or replaced based more on his beliefs than his game. If Tebow didn’t believe in anything a lot of the BS about him wouldn’t even be discussed especially since the team is winning.

I fully expect Elway to be scouting college QB’s and all other positions until the end of the season and into the off season. That’s his job; I don’t believe he’s made up his mind yet about anything. The armchair GM’s on the OM have but he certainly hasn’t. I believe Elway for all his doubts wants him to be successful, win games and prove he’s worthy of coming back next year. He is rough around the edges but once he gets them smoothed out he could be a very special player.

So cut him and us Broncos Fans who support him some freakin’ slack and let this thing play out for a few more weeks. Then by all means go into full spin mode.

Teboner
:spit:
punch you "in the nose"
:spit:
rough around the edges
:spit:

EmpireOrange
11-27-2011, 08:13 AM
So cut him and us Broncos Fans who support him some freakin’ slack and let this thing play out for a few more weeks. Then by all means go into full spin mode.



This is why people really can't stand you teboners. You are so blinded by your zeal to massage Tebow's lingham and carry his baby; it's impossible for youse to see the obvious. Tim Tebow is THE ONLY ONE IN THIS DEAL WHO HAS BEEN CUT SLACK. No other quarterback in history posting that kind of play from training camp through 5 games as Tebow has has stayed in the NFL let along continued to start. Only Tebow, with his skill set, has been given the opportunity to start at quarterback in the NFL even though he has shown no improvement from his rookie season and in fact has painfully shown he has regressed.

It's John Elway and John Fox who picked up a 4-12 piece of pathetic who haven't been cut any slack by you teboners. You guys make me sick. No time in my Bronco-loving life have I have been so disgusted by a portion of "bronco fans". They only solution to this mess is to get rid of Tebow. Therefore the mountains of slack given to him by the organization and Broncos fans, have been taken away.

Its over for him, because you teboners. You don't get that, and you never will. Nonetheless it is fact.

crawdad
11-27-2011, 08:54 AM
Yep, very true, and in other Breaking News, the sky is Blue..... :flower:

Those above stats are just fine, now explain these stats for us.

Tebow is currently #2 in the NFL behind only Aaron Rogers in TD/Int Ratio.

Tebow currently has an .800 winning % as the Broncos 2011 Starter.

:wave:

Apparently you are too dense to follow the subject matter. My reply is to the original post about what Elway said about TT. TT said it is true so, post some more of your drivel assclown!