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ZONA
11-24-2011, 12:01 AM
Broncos looking like they could end up picking in the middle of the 1st round. Fortunately for us, there are several nice players there at positions we could use the help. Of course, players will move up and down in the months to come but usually you see just a few that really rocket up and drop far. This is a good early view of what the middle should look like.

I personally love the idea of adding a DT, ILB or CB on this defense to really give it some additional umph. Other then Luck, not sure I would go high to middle round pick with any of the other QB's with Tebow already being a 1st round pick. Gotta keep adding those good defensive players. Would love getting even better in our front 7.


Landry Jones QB Oklahoma 6-4 230lbs
Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama 6-2 265lbs
Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College 6-2 237lbs
Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama 5-10 182lbs
Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame 6-2 255lbs
Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama 6-4 260lbs
Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State 6-3 310lbs
Dontari Poe DT Memphis 6-5 350lbs
Lamar Miller RB Miami (Fla.) 5-11 212lbs
Dwayne Allen TE Clemson 6-4 255lbs

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:02 AM
We're making the playoffs.

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:09 AM
We're making the playoffs.

I hope so....Especially if Jax tanks & Barkley declares.

Win/Win

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:10 AM
Broncos looking like they could end up picking in the middle of the 1st round. Fortunately for us, there are several nice players there at positions we could use the help. Of course, players will move up and down in the months to come but usually you see just a few that really rocket up and drop far. This is a good early view of what the middle should look like.

I personally love the idea of adding a DT, ILB or CB on this defense to really give it some additional umph. Other then Luck, not sure I would go high to middle round pick with any of the other QB's with Tebow already being a 1st round pick. Gotta keep adding those good defensive players. Would love getting even better in our front 7.


Landry Jones QB Oklahoma 6-4 230lbs
Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama 6-2 265lbs
Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College 6-2 237lbs
Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama 5-10 182lbs
Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame 6-2 255lbs
Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama 6-4 260lbs
Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State 6-3 310lbs
Dontari Poe DT Memphis 6-5 350lbs
Lamar Miller RB Miami (Fla.) 5-11 212lbs
Dwayne Allen TE Clemson 6-4 255lbs

I'd be really disappointed if Denver went DT in the mid first.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:11 AM
I hope so....Especially if Jax tanks & Barkley declares.

Win/Win

Thanks for the troll take.

But no really...we're going to win the division. We'll be in the latter third of the draft.

ZONA
11-24-2011, 12:11 AM
We're making the playoffs.

Not as a wildcard we're not. I hope we can steal this crap garbage division and get a shot in the playoffs because you just never know. But I'm also trying to think realistically here. We're 5-5 with some really tough games coming up and a passing game that NEEDS to improve big time. 9-7 is probably going to win the division so our margin of error is 2, maybe 3 games at most. It's not going to be easy to say the least.

A few weeks ago we were wondering if we would get the 1st overall pick. I'm pretty stoked that in just a few short weeks we are even thinking of drafting say 18th instead of 1st or 2nd.

Still, alot of these guys are projected middle/late 1st round. We could still land 1 of these guys I'm sure.

Archer81
11-24-2011, 12:12 AM
They see us rollin...they hatin...


:Broncos:

ZONA
11-24-2011, 12:14 AM
I'd be really disappointed if Denver went DT in the mid first.

Why?

Doggcow
11-24-2011, 12:14 AM
They see us rollin...they hatin...


:Broncos:

Dude, seriously, why does everyone HATE so much when Tebow wins? It's hilarious the animosity for him.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:15 AM
Not as a wildcard we're not. I hope we can steal this crap garbage division and get a shot in the playoffs because you just never know. But I'm also trying to think realistically here. We're 5-5 with some really tough games coming up and a passing game that NEEDS to improve big time. 9-7 is probably going to win the division so our margin of error is 2, maybe 3 games at most. It's not going to be easy to say the least.

A few weeks ago we were wondering if we would get the 1st overall pick. I'm pretty stoked that in just a few short weeks we are even thinking of drafting say 18th instead of 1st or 2nd.

Still, alot of these guys are projected middle/late 1st round. We could still land 1 of these guys I'm sure.

Best case scenario: Broncos go 8-8 and win the division.

Best draft position plus playoffs.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:18 AM
Dude, seriously, why does everyone HATE so much when Tebow wins? It's hilarious the animosity for him.

Its awesome being in the playoff race again.

I think that the players and coaches are starting to feel it, starting to get hungry. There's belief and team-first play permeating the Broncos environment right now.

There is reason to be excited because the guys wearing orange and blue are excited.

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:18 AM
Thanks for the troll take.

But no really...we're going to win the division. We'll be in the latter third of the draft.

I predicted 9-7 a month ago so I'm not sure what you mean by troll take.

Playoffs would be just epic. Even more so if Jax tanks and barkley declares.

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:19 AM
Why?

Because there's not one worth taking in the teens-early 20's

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:20 AM
I predicted 9-7 a month ago so I'm not sure what you mean by troll take.

Playoffs would be just epic. Even more so if Jax tanks and barkley declares.

Sorry, but he's not a Bronco and theres no reason to believe that hes going to be a Bronco.

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:22 AM
Sorry, but he's not a Bronco .

Who?

Archer81
11-24-2011, 12:23 AM
Dude, seriously, why does everyone HATE so much when Tebow wins? It's hilarious the animosity for him.


As Deion Sanders once said, Tebow is the guy who will never put the ball in the hole, but will go home with all the prizes. He wins despite conventional wisdom that you need a good passing game to have success in the NFL. At this point, he is proving them wrong. People do not like to be shown up. Add the good guy qualities Tebow has and certain people just can't stand him.

Winning with a running game, defense, good special teams and not turning the football over = boring. Who wants to see a 17-13 game when Detroit and Carolina had a 49-35 game? Or GB and TB with a 35-26 game? In alot of ways, this Broncos team reminds me of the 2001 Patriots. That team was far from great, had a 2nd year guy with no career starts who played well enough to get his team to wins. Of course now that guy is a potential HOF'er...not saying that the Broncos will follow that same arc (would be ****ing awesome if they did) but I find the similarities intriguing.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:25 AM
Who?

The USC quarterback

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:27 AM
The USC quarterback

I don't understand....You're saying a USC QB is not a Bronco?

Did you break into baja's drug stash tonight hippie?

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:29 AM
I don't understand....You're saying a USC QB is not a Bronco?

Did you break into baja's drug stash tonight hippie?

Sometimes I wish. ;D

You were suggesting that we trade with Jacksonville, no?

Archer81
11-24-2011, 12:30 AM
Titties say no to flapjacks.

USC QB's = flapjacks.
titties = common sense.

:Broncos:

ZONA
11-24-2011, 12:32 AM
Because there's not one worth taking in the teens-early 20's

I wouldn't say that. Just because a DT isn't named Suh doesn't mean he's automatically not a 1st round pick. And I believe that winning the LOS still means you usually win the game. I happen to think Worthy is a great prospect. For a guy 310, he's got great quicks off the line and is a great penetrating DT. Very strong also and can hold position.

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:35 AM
Sometimes I wish. ;D

You were suggesting that we trade with Jacksonville, no?

I don't think Jax would answer the phone if HAT & epic called...


Always good to have options though. Denver making the playoffs and Jax having a top 5 pick provides options.

Do you disagree?

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:38 AM
I wouldn't say that. Just because a DT isn't named Suh doesn't mean he's automatically not a 1st round pick. And I believe that winning the LOS still means you usually win the game. I happen to think Worthy is a great prospect. For a guy 310, he's got great quicks off the line and is a great penetrating DT. Very strong also and can hold position.

I agree that he's a good prospect but to me it will always come down to how much drop off between him and the next guy.

IMO there's not much drop off between a 1st round DT & a 2nd round DT this year.

There is with the CBs an MLBs.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:40 AM
I don't think Jax would answer the phone if HAT & epic called...

Always good to have options though. Denver making the playoffs and Jax having a top 5 pick provides options.

Do you disagree?

I don't see Denver trading up in the draft. They are in need of youth at too many positions to trade away picks, especially those in the first three rounds.

I think that you'll see us stay pat and add these things as BPA's are available in these categories:

explosive ball carrier(s)
defensive backs
defensive linemen
linebackers

Fox likes an explosive ball carrier. He really wanted DeAngelo Williams. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Denver drafted someone like that Adams kid out of Arkansas, Demps, the kid out of Oregon, or Trent Richardson. It all depends on the best player available with the Broncos staff I think. It depends on what is available at our tier and how the ball breaks.

smoke4815162342
11-24-2011, 12:43 AM
Vontaze Burfict

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:43 AM
Titties say no to flapjacks.

USC QB's = flapjacks.
titties = common sense.

:Broncos:

And I hate flapjack titties Chris....(Or as my brother used to call them, a tennis ball in a sock)

I do NOT want Denver to draft a QB in the 1st round.

However, you are wrong about Barkley. He is going to be as good/better than Luck.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:44 AM
Vontaze Burfict

I really like this guy too. Im not sure he'll be available when we pick, but he and Miller could potentially be just almost unfair on the field together.

cutthemdown
11-24-2011, 12:45 AM
I don't care who or what position. From now on I am just going to wait until they play. I do think though Miller makes it obvious great players play pretty friggin well the first yr.

I know he probably goes before we pick, but the big guard from Stanford is a beast. I guess though he is going top 10 on a lot of mock.

cutthemdown
11-24-2011, 12:45 AM
I really like this guy too. Im not sure he'll be available when we pick, but he and Miller is just almost unfair on the field together.

I read he's not playing quite as well this yr, but whatever he was mean the previous 2 yrs.

Archer81
11-24-2011, 12:48 AM
And I hate flapjack titties Chris....(Or as my brother used to call them, a tennis ball in a sock)

I do NOT want Denver to draft a QB in the 1st round.

However, you are wrong about Barkley. He is going to be as good/better than Luck.


I dont know enough about Barkley to make an accurate assessment...but USC QB's have not been world beaters lately. He might buck that trend, but until then I say no to flapjack titties.

And if we go QB in the first round in april...I will melt down. That has never happened on the OM before, so it should be entertainment for all.

:Broncos:

ZONA
11-24-2011, 12:49 AM
I don't see Denver trading up in the draft. They are in need of youth at too many positions to trade away picks, especially those in the first three rounds.

I think that you'll see us stay pat and add these things as BPA's are available in these categories:

explosive ball carrier(s)
defensive backs
defensive linemen
linebackers



I like those categories. Wouldn't really use a high pick on a RB though. Not when this team has seen the likes of 1st round RB's busting you could say and our long history of finding great RB's in middle and late rounds.

I would for sure go with BPA on the defensive side of the ball. I'll take that CB, ILB or DT. Turn this defense into something truly special. A defense that will always keep you in the game.

If you look over the years, the Steelers, Ravens and Pats always seem to be in the mix with good records. Tough physical teams. Alot of it is their defenses have been so physical, well coached and they always keep their team in the game. I would love nothing more then the Broncos to be the new feared defense in the league. F the Steelers D, F the Ravens D. Let's bring the Crush back to Orange Crush.

HAT
11-24-2011, 12:51 AM
I don't see Denver trading up in the draft. They are in need of youth at too many defensive positions to trade away picks, especially those in the first three rounds.



If Denver is even thinking about offense in the first round it had better be OT.
I wouldn't be opposed to dumping Tebow to J-ville IF they are willing to overpay.

Grab Kalil and concentrate on D.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:53 AM
I don't care who or what position. From now on I am just going to wait until they play. I do think though Miller makes it obvious great players play pretty friggin well the first yr.

Thats true sometimes and sometimes it isnt.

Mike Croel was a stud his first year and fell off the map...same with Kearse.

Miller has some things working in his favor...he is given simple responsibilities and asked to terrorize the ball carrier. Its similar to what the offense does with Tebow...simplify his responsibilities and highlight the areas where he obviously has talent. Millers pursuit abilities are just so phenomenal that they can move him over different blockers and force the defense to adjust to where hes at.

Its different if the Broncos pick up say a MLB who will have to learn to read the offense and make play calls. Theres a steeper learning curve there.

cutthemdown
11-24-2011, 12:57 AM
Thats true sometimes and sometimes it isnt.

Mike Croel was a stud his first year and fell off the map...same with Kearse.

Miller has some things working in his favor...he is given simple responsibilities and asked to terrorize the ball carrier. Its similar to what the offense does with Tebow...simplify his responsibilities and highlight the areas where he obviously has talent. Millers pursuit abilities are just so phenomenal that they can move him over different blockers and force the defense to adjust to where hes at.

Its different if the Broncos pick up say a MLB who will have to learn to read the offense and make play calls. Theres a steeper learning curve there.

I wish you had not mentioned Croel. But all that does is prove you can still stink after a really good first yr. But Croel just ran around people that yr, he never shoved players around like Miller. I'm not worried about Miller really. He seems so natural out there, like its easy for him.

smoke4815162342
11-24-2011, 01:00 AM
I really like this guy too. Im not sure he'll be available when we pick, but he and Miller could potentially be just almost unfair on the field together.

he should be available, his stock has fallen

HAT
11-24-2011, 01:00 AM
Thats true sometimes and sometimes it isnt.

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Its different if the Broncos pick up say a MLB who will have to learn to read the offense and make play calls. Theres a steeper learning curve there.

The best thing about Von to me so far is the fact that nobody's even been able to mention "rookie wall"

And you're right about MIKE but hot damn do I want it to happen. It's time to strike while the iron is hot...The thought of VM playing next to a stud MLB for the next few years is too much to resist.

Obviously, any 1st round pick can miss but there's some damn good ILBs to be had.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 01:04 AM
I like those categories. Wouldn't really use a high pick on a RB though. Not when this team has seen the likes of 1st round RB's busting you could say and our long history of finding great RB's in middle and late rounds.

I would for sure go with BPA on the defensive side of the ball. I'll take that CB, ILB or DT. Turn this defense into something truly special. A defense that will always keep you in the game.

If you look over the years, the Steelers, Ravens and Pats always seem to be in the mix with good records. Tough physical teams. Alot of it is their defenses have been so physical, well coached and they always keep their team in the game. I would love nothing more then the Broncos to be the new feared defense in the league. F the Steelers D, F the Ravens D. Let's bring the Crush back to Orange Crush.

I like the idea of loading for bear on defense too. Its what I have been hoping for since the Greise days. But Im not sure that the front office doesnt want a game breaking back. They went hard after DeAngelo Williams in free agency.

Fox likes to have a stable of talented RB's. We dont really have a stable. Tebow is basically our best running threat. McGahee just cant be counted on to carry a full seasons worth of work.

This is what he did in Carolina:

2005 - 2nd rounder spent on RB Eric Shelton
2006 - 1st rounder spent on RB DeAngelo Williams
2008 - 1st rounder spent on RB Jonathan Stewart
2009 - 4th rounder spent on RB Mike Goodson.

They're going to draft a RB the first time that one pops into a slot that they like. I'd wager that given the direction of the team (in a run-heavy offense for the forseeable future) that the Broncos will draft a RB in one of the first two rounds.

Play2win
11-24-2011, 01:06 AM
Barkley or bust.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 01:07 AM
I wish you had not mentioned Croel. But all that does is prove you can still stink after a really good first yr. But Croel just ran around people that yr, he never shoved players around like Miller. I'm not worried about Miller really. He seems so natural out there, like its easy for him.

Miller is the closest thing I have seen to Lawrence Taylor. He doesnt have the cracked-out disposition like LT, but he hits just as wicked. Von will tear somebody up...he loves to explode through the QB. The thing about Von that reminds me of LT is the freakish lightning-quick explosion off the line and his deceptive power. Von has some serious explosive power.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 01:08 AM
Barkley will bust.

Fixed

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 01:10 AM
The best thing about Von to me so far is the fact that nobody's even been able to mention "rookie wall"

And you're right about MIKE but hot damn do I want it to happen. It's time to strike while the iron is hot...The thought of VM playing next to a stud MLB for the next few years is too much to resist.

Obviously, any 1st round pick can miss but there's some damn good ILBs to be had.

If the Broncos pick up a stud MLB and went to work with the current crew of DT's for the next three years, I wouldnt be as concerned about the defensive line. A good MLB can really cause some problems in that part of the field if he has good instincts, plays tough, and plays smart.

Imagine Al Wilson and Von Miller on the same team. Holy cow.

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 01:15 AM
On the plus side, if they grab Vontaze Burfict, we'll get to pull for Von Von Doom.

DBroncos4life
11-24-2011, 01:51 AM
Broncos looking like they could end up picking in the middle of the 1st round. Fortunately for us, there are several nice players there at positions we could use the help. Of course, players will move up and down in the months to come but usually you see just a few that really rocket up and drop far. This is a good early view of what the middle should look like.

I personally love the idea of adding a DT, ILB or CB on this defense to really give it some additional umph. Other then Luck, not sure I would go high to middle round pick with any of the other QB's with Tebow already being a 1st round pick. Gotta keep adding those good defensive players. Would love getting even better in our front 7.


Landry Jones QB Oklahoma 6-4 230lbs
Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama 6-2 265lbs
Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College 6-2 237lbs
Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama 5-10 182lbs
Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame 6-2 255lbs
Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama 6-4 260lbs
Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State 6-3 310lbs
Dontari Poe DT Memphis 6-5 350lbs
Lamar Miller RB Miami (Fla.) 5-11 212lbs
Dwayne Allen TE Clemson 6-4 255lbs

Jenkins over Dennard? lol

Slightly Soiled
11-24-2011, 03:05 AM
Jax won't trade they would rather move to LA than fill seats.

DrFate
11-24-2011, 05:48 AM
I'd be really disappointed if Denver went DT in the mid first.

Um, why?

barryr
11-24-2011, 05:52 AM
I think they take a player who has the best chance in their eyes of being the best pro more so than filling a need. Use free agency to fill needs, draft players who can be great regardless of position. I still think trading down is a good idea, unless somebody they really like drops in their laps.

elsid13
11-24-2011, 05:55 AM
Um, why?

It not strong class for DTs, and you can similar value in later rounds. Sitting in the mid to late teens it makes sense to look at OG/OT(RT)/WR/LB in the first. I wouldn't be surprised to see Denver select an offense lineman at this point.

CEH
11-24-2011, 06:31 AM
IDK if Rivers is blowing smoke but he said Denver's defense provides much more challeneges than last weeks' CHI defense. I would love to improve the defense (CB) , running game and lines if somehow Tebow can be decared the QBOTF. We have a really good chance to get a really good defense by the start of '12

Has the team given up on Irving. He seems like a wildcard in this equation

Chris
11-24-2011, 07:00 AM
On the plus side, if they grab Vontaze Burfict, we'll get to pull for Von Von Doom.

Or shop pics of Phyllis saying "Don't taze me bro!"

RGIII vs Barkley - http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Robert-Griffin-III-vs-Matt-Barkley.html

DrFate
11-24-2011, 07:10 AM
It not strong class for DTs, and you can similar value in later rounds. Sitting in the mid to late teens it makes sense to look at OG/OT(RT)/WR/LB in the first. I wouldn't be surprised to see Denver select an offense lineman at this point.

It's just strange to see all the yearly hyseria about not having a 'bonafide interior DLineman' - and all of a sudden to see a guy say we should NOT draft one.

cmhargrove
11-24-2011, 07:14 AM
I'm really hoping that we have the QB issues settled before the end of the year so we can keep filling out the rest of the team. If not, so be it, but last year showed us that you will have to reach/trade up for the #2, #3, and probably #4 Qb's (4 Qb's went in the top 12 last year).

I hope we can trade down in the first round and stockpile picks in the second and third rounds. There will be talented kids in all positions hanging around there. I am starting to think (more and more) that our first round pick should be a CB. You have to jump at good CB talent if it is available. I want DT's, but I really don't care which round right now. It would just be nice to see the issue addressed with youth rather than old vets.

If they go with Tebow, it will be very interesting to see of we start adding some more "explosive" playmakers to resemble the Gator's offense. I still think we need to roll the dice on a "blazing speed WR" and it would be nice to find a burner out of the backfield to compliment the power running game we have set up with McGahee.

Should be fun.

elsid13
11-24-2011, 07:23 AM
It's just strange to see all the yearly hyseria about not having a 'bonafide interior DLineman' - and all of a sudden to see a guy say we should NOT draft one.

I don't think anyone say we shouldn't get some youth in there, but it doesn't make sense to draft in the 1st when there is better option out there.

DrFate
11-24-2011, 07:31 AM
I don't think anyone say we shouldn't get some youth in there, but it doesn't make sense to draft in the 1st when there is better option out there.

I agree - but you hear a loud scream from this forum every time a draft pick is made and it isn't a DT. :)

Br0nc0Buster
11-24-2011, 07:34 AM
There should be good value at corner and OT for us

I think an OT could really help, and corner is kind of a no brainer

My guess is we go corner

Claiborne, Kirpatrick, Dennard, Jenkins (Req said he was doing well)

elsid13
11-24-2011, 07:44 AM
I agree - but you hear a loud scream from this forum every time a draft pick is made and it isn't a DT. :)

This forum is packed with a bunch of little girls that like Justin Bieber. It end of the world when the front office doesn't do exactly what they want.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 07:54 AM
Because there's not one worth taking in the teens-early 20's

In terms of DTs, I see three that are potentially worth that draft range. Devon Still, Kawann Short, and Fletcher Cox. Short and Cox are Juniors, and the draft "experts" will catch up in regards to their talent at some point soon. No idea if they come out, I would imagine Short definitely will, but Cox will stay put. Still and Short are more 43 NTs, or one gap 34 DEs. Cox is a true 43 penetrating type.

To really take advantage of VonDoom, we need a force pushing up the middle, then QBs won't have anywhere to go. Marcus Thomas, Ryan McBean, and even Ty Warren are all the same player, which should be as a backup NT to Bunkley. We really don't want Vickerson starting at 3 tech again next year, and Ayers is worthless when moved inside.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 07:57 AM
I wouldn't say that. Just because a DT isn't named Suh doesn't mean he's automatically not a 1st round pick. And I believe that winning the LOS still means you usually win the game. I happen to think Worthy is a great prospect. For a guy 310, he's got great quicks off the line and is a great penetrating DT. Very strong also and can hold position.

All true, except he's played like crap this year, and there's little incentive to come out when his stock is at an all-time low. I mean, at this point, I even like Brandon Thompson more, and I'm not a big Thompson fan as I see him as a 2nd Round pick whom always underperforms.

At this point, if Fletcher Cox doesn't come out. The only potential DT fit for our needs might just be Quinton Coples. He sucks ass as a DE, but he was all world last year as a DT.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 08:12 AM
I agree that he's a good prospect but to me it will always come down to how much drop off between him and the next guy.

IMO there's not much drop off between a 1st round DT & a 2nd round DT this year.

There is with the CBs an MLBs.


Agree on the DT theory depending on whom comes out. It's a crap Senior DT draft, but there are some good Juniors that would really bolster that 2nd round area. Seniors such as Josh Chapman, Alameda Ta'amu, and Brandon Thompson are laughable as 1st round projections at this point. I see Ta'amu and Chapman in the 4th at best, and Thompson will go in the 2nd. Dontari Poe should go in the 2nd or 3rd, he's cooled after a good start. Coples and Still are the only legit Senior DTs, and if the Juniors do not come out, there is a big drop after them. I do find Brett Roy potentially interesting in the 2nd or 3rd round area.

By Juniors, I'm referring to Kawann Short, Fletcher Cox, Jerel Worthy, and Sylvester Williams.


However, the CB class could be the best in draft history, it's by far the strongest position, especially if those Juniors come out, and CB Juniors usually do. In terms of draft value, waiting until the 3rd to fetch a CB would be the best value. I mean, I see the following top notch prospects at CB:

1st Round - Kirkpatrick, Claiborne, Dennard, Gilmore.
2nd Round - Minnifield, Jenkins, Banks
3rd Round - Judie, Trufant, Poyer, Commings, Harris, Hosley, Robinson

Any of those guys are huge steals in the 3rd Round, we can definitely land one. And if Kirkpatrick and Claiborne are gone when we pick in the 1st, I see hardly any drop from the 3rd ranked guy to the 14th.


At LB, I'm not so sure either. Te'o would be phenominal, but he said he's staying in school. Burfict has some issues, but is a talent, and Kuechly doesn't have the athleticism most want from a MIKE. He'll probably drop like Greg Jones did after the Combine, just not nearly that far. Meanwhile, Dont'a Hightower should go in the 2nd Round, and Audie Cole is an absolute monster that will go in the 2nd or 3rd Round. Emmanuel Acho isn't bad either, he'll go in the 3rd.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-24-2011, 08:15 AM
If we end up with Landry Jones, I'm going on a five state killing spree.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 08:15 AM
If Denver is even thinking about offense in the first round it had better be OT.
I wouldn't be opposed to dumping Tebow to J-ville IF they are willing to overpay.

Grab Kalil and concentrate on D.

I agree with you on the OT theory. Kalil, Martin, and Reiff will be long gone by the time we pick. Maybe a guy like Adams or Wagner, if he comes out, could be an option. Taking an elite all-around RT and moving Franklin to LG, while making Beadles a super reserve upgrades three areas by my count. To me, that would be the single best individual move we could make, and the OT group, even with the Juniors, is extremely shallow this year, and should be almost completely devoid of remaining talent by the time we pick in the 3rd Round.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 08:18 AM
If the Broncos pick up a stud MLB and went to work with the current crew of DT's for the next three years, I wouldnt be as concerned about the defensive line. A good MLB can really cause some problems in that part of the field if he has good instincts, plays tough, and plays smart.

Imagine Al Wilson and Von Miller on the same team. Holy cow.

Keep in mind, that we run nickel a large percentage of the time. That takes the MIKE off the field, and none of the MIKE prospects are elite coverage backers this year. I think with Joe Mays and Nate Irving, as well as using DJ at MIKE in some packages, we have that position covered. I see MLB as a luxury pick at this time. Mays has graded well against the run and on blitzes, even with playing limited snaps due to subpackages. Not sure why he's not appreciated more.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 08:20 AM
Jenkins over Dennard? lol

I don't see Jenkins going before the late 2nd to be honest. He's very small, and he's continued to have off-field issues at North Alabama this year. Sure, he's a dynamic talent with speed, but there's a lot of risk here between the lack of size and character concerns. I don't see any team going that route in the 1st Round.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-24-2011, 08:25 AM
I don't think anyone say we shouldn't get some youth in there, but it doesn't make sense to draft in the 1st when there is better option out there.

I think the darkhorse is Quinton Coples. He's been pretty average at best as a DE this year for North Carolina, but he was amazing as a penetrating DT last year. If he's there when we pick, we now have a legit all-around 3 tech that would completely fill out our D-line and give us an interior pass rushing presence. That is, assuming we resign Bunkley at NT of course.

I count five potential quality penetrating DT options in this draft that could push to start. Two are Juniors I don't expect to come out, Worthy and Cox. The others are Coples, Thompson, and Brett Roy.

It's a pretty good NT draft overall, but we don't need those assuming we keep Bunkley and lock up McBean or Thomas.

DENVERDUI55
11-24-2011, 08:30 AM
Vontaze Burfict

Hell no he is vastly overrated. He only has 50 some tackles, slow speed and gets lost in coverage. Sure he makes big hits but they are never for a loss and usually 10 yard downfield dj style. This guy isn't a first round pick and its not even close.

Hamrob
11-24-2011, 08:41 AM
First off....I don't see Barkley being successful in the NFL. Landry is a Drew Bledsoe clone.

Luck is the only kid you go get. And, we don't have enough to do that.

Personally, I think if you stick with Tebow....he'll become a polished passer. Why? Because he wants to and he's willing to put in the time. And, he's coachable.

Give the kid the rest of this year and 2012, then decide if you want to draft another QB. Until then, continue to build from the inside out!!!

DENVERDUI55
11-24-2011, 08:46 AM
he should be available, his stock has fallen

In the 2nd or 3rd. He just isn't that good. Big hits don't equal production.

barryr
11-24-2011, 09:38 AM
First off....I don't see Barkley being successful in the NFL. Landry is a Drew Bledsoe clone.

Luck is the only kid you go get. And, we don't have enough to do that.

Personally, I think if you stick with Tebow....he'll become a polished passer. Why? Because he wants to and he's willing to put in the time. And, he's coachable.

Give the kid the rest of this year and 2012, then decide if you want to draft another QB. Until then, continue to build from the inside out!!!

Well, plus Tebow has yet to have a full training camp as the starter, so wouldn't it be wise to give him that chance first before saying he can't do the job?

Plus, who is to say they won't change the offense next year, with Tebow, having a full camp to implement a system whatever it may be?

Barkley is a pure pocket passer, so if a team is looking for that, he's your guy. But he's no sure thing and Jones is hardly a sure thing either.

The Broncos need more talent and bypassing it for need is always a disaster in the draft. The Broncos could get a QB later who may end up as good if not better than some of those others being talked about.

*Famous*
11-24-2011, 10:03 AM
I like the thought of Tebow running the option with this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVC829bawE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVC829bawE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Take him in the first if possible, then go CB and DT in two and three. That's ball control!

NUB
11-24-2011, 10:42 AM
Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College 6-2 237lbs
Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama 5-10 182lbs
Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame 6-2 255lbs
Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama 6-4 260lbs
Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State 6-3 310lbs
Dontari Poe DT Memphis 6-5 350lbs

Any of them, really. I am pretty high on Kuechly.

elsid13
11-24-2011, 10:50 AM
I think the darkhorse is Quinton Coples. He's been pretty average at best as a DE this year for North Carolina, but he was amazing as a penetrating DT last year. If he's there when we pick, we now have a legit all-around 3 tech that would completely fill out our D-line and give us an interior pass rushing presence. That is, assuming we resign Bunkley at NT of course.

I count five potential quality penetrating DT options in this draft that could push to start. Two are Juniors I don't expect to come out, Worthy and Cox. The others are Coples, Thompson, and Brett Roy.

It's a pretty good NT draft overall, but we don't need those assuming we keep Bunkley and lock up McBean or Thomas.


I don't like Coples at all. I think he to much of tweener - to small for DT and not fast enough of DE. And I think NT is better option because I would help the rush defense line rotation.

vonqkilla
11-24-2011, 10:54 AM
Vontaze Burfict

To slow, Id put him at dt, lol, only half kidding, see trevor pryce.

Anyone notice those names, all alternate wild names. Even white guys, Landry?

My sons name. Ryden.

If you want a qb, name him matt, at least 24 years ago.

teknic
11-24-2011, 10:58 AM
On the plus side, if they grab Vontaze Burfict, we'll get to pull for Von Von Doom.

I would love to see Burfict drafted by the Broncos. The guy may seem slow in coverage, but that's because he's 250lbs. His instincts more than make up for his speed in the run game, and he's a punishing tackler.

If Te'O declares, I'd also be happy with the Broncos drafting him. Kirkpatrick would be an immediate upgrade over Goodman at CB, but he may go top 10.

mhgaffney
11-24-2011, 11:02 AM
In terms of DTs, I see three that are potentially worth that draft range. Devon Still, Kawann Short, and Fletcher Cox. Short and Cox are Juniors, and the draft "experts" will catch up in regards to their talent at some point soon. No idea if they come out, I would imagine Short definitely will, but Cox will stay put. Still and Short are more 43 NTs, or one gap 34 DEs. Cox is a true 43 penetrating type.

To really take advantage of VonDoom, we need a force pushing up the middle, then QBs won't have anywhere to go. Marcus Thomas, Ryan McBean, and even Ty Warren are all the same player, which should be as a backup NT to Bunkley. We really don't want Vickerson starting at 3 tech again next year, and Ayers is worthless when moved inside.

Yes.

ICON
11-24-2011, 11:04 AM
Team Record Win % Opp Rec SoS
--------------------------------------
1) IND 0-10 .000 84-76 .5250
2) CAR 2-8 .200 81-79 .5063
3t) STL 2-8 .200 92-68 .5750
4t) MIN 2-8 .200 92-68 .5750
5) WAS 3-7 .300 74-86 .4625
6) JAC 3-7 .300 76-84 .4750
7) ARI 3-7 .300 77-83 .4813
8) MIA 3-7 .300 83-77 .5188
9) PHI 4-6 .400 81-79 .5063
10) CLE 4-6 .400 82-78 .5125
11) KC 4-6 .400 83-77 .5188
12) SEA 4-6 .400 84-76 .5250
13t) SD 4-6 .400 86-74 .5375
14t) TB 4-6 .400 86-74 .5375
15) TEN 5-5 .500 73-87 .4563
16) NYJ 5-5 .500 78-82 .4875
17) BUF 5-5 .500 79-81 .4938
18) DEN 5-5 .500 85-75 .5313
19t) DAL 6-4 .600 75-85 .4688
20t) ATL 6-4 .600 75-85 .4688 [Traded to Cleveland]
21) CIN 6-4 .600 79-81 .4938
22) NYG 6-4 .600 81-79 .5063
23) OAK 6-4 .600 83-77 .5188 [Traded to Cincinnati]
24) HOU 7-3 .700 68-92 .4250
25) NE 7-3 .700 71-89 .4438
26) NO 7-3 .700 73-87 .4563 [Traded to New England]
27) BAL 7-3 .700 76-84 .4750
28) PIT 7-3 .700 78-82 .4875
29) CHI 7-3 .700 84-76 .5250
30) DET 7-3 .700 91-69 .5688
31) SF 9-1 .900 72-88 .4500
32) GB 10-0 1.000 78-82 .4875

ZONA
11-24-2011, 11:23 AM
First off....I don't see Barkley being successful in the NFL. Landry is a Drew Bledsoe clone.

Luck is the only kid you go get. And, we don't have enough to do that.

Personally, I think if you stick with Tebow....he'll become a polished passer. Why? Because he wants to and he's willing to put in the time. And, he's coachable.

Give the kid the rest of this year and 2012, then decide if you want to draft another QB. Until then, continue to build from the inside out!!!

That's basically how I see it. Let's give this a real shot. I think going RT, if the guy is a phenom, could be a good thing and move Franks to LG. That should really give the OL a boost. Give Tebow a badass fast shifty back (if there is a Sproles type of guy in this draft). That's it for offense. Go defense with the rest of the picks and let's make this defense truly fearsome.

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2011, 11:27 AM
Thanks for the troll take.

But no really...we're going to win the division. We'll be in the latter third of the draft.

are you hell bent on jinxing the team? shut your pie hole already. This team sucks.

ZONA
11-24-2011, 11:28 AM
I like the thought of Tebow running the option with this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVC829bawE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVC829bawE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Take him in the first if possible, then go CB and DT in two and three. That's ball control!

Take him in the 1st if possible? For real dude? He's projected as a possible top 5 pick. So you're saying we should trade away picks to move and and get a RB? Thank god you're not the GM>

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2011, 11:36 AM
defense, defense and more defense.

gyldenlove
11-24-2011, 11:50 AM
Best case scenario: Broncos go 8-8 and win the division.

Best draft position plus playoffs.

Since draft position is now determined by playoff performance the regular season record is not too important if we make the playoffs.

gyldenlove
11-24-2011, 11:51 AM
Right now I am huge on Manti Teo (Have seen some game tape and he absolutely flies) and Lamar Miller (I know nothing about him other than he is from the U and that is about the best recommendation for a RB).

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 12:02 PM
I would love to see Burfict drafted by the Broncos. The guy may seem slow in coverage, but that's because he's 250lbs. His instincts more than make up for his speed in the run game, and he's a punishing tackler.

If Te'O declares, I'd also be happy with the Broncos drafting him. Kirkpatrick would be an immediate upgrade over Goodman at CB, but he may go top 10.

2Von Doom

Requiem
11-24-2011, 12:08 PM
Burfict is not nearly as good as people are making him out to be. This team doesn't need an inside linebacker that can't play every down in the NFL. Luke or Teo are the guys to talk about on the inside. Better instincts and much better coverage skills. Luke has outperformed Vontaze in every facet of the game.

CEH
11-24-2011, 12:26 PM
This is so easy it's not even funny. If you want to maximixe the best part of our defense CB has to be #1 prioirty. In a passing league, we have maybe probably the best pass rush combo in the league. Maixmize their potential with another stud CB opposite Champ. ILBer can be found in round two.The CB out of Nebraska might be there around our pick

R8R H8R
11-24-2011, 12:49 PM
I would like a Brandon Loyd "type" WR (but w/o the attitude) anytime after the 2nd rd. Tebow needs a guy who can make the tough catches, besides Royal could leave.

gyldenlove
11-24-2011, 01:05 PM
I would like a Brandon Loyd "type" WR (but w/o the attitude) anytime after the 2nd rd. Tebow needs a guy who can make the tough catches, besides Royal could leave.

We can't spend a 1st round pick on a WR.

*EDIT* Yeah that is my reading comprehension failing there.

Requiem
11-24-2011, 01:09 PM
He said after the first two rounds re: WR.

pricejj
11-24-2011, 01:20 PM
I think the darkhorse is Quinton Coples. He's been pretty average at best as a DE this year for North Carolina, but he was amazing as a penetrating DT last year. If he's there when we pick, we now have a legit all-around 3 tech that would completely fill out our D-line and give us an interior pass rushing presence. That is, assuming we resign Bunkley at NT of course.

I count five potential quality penetrating DT options in this draft that could push to start. Two are Juniors I don't expect to come out, Worthy and Cox. The others are Coples, Thompson, and Brett Roy.

It's a pretty good NT draft overall, but we don't need those assuming we keep Bunkley and lock up McBean or Thomas.

Coples will be gone in the top 10. I am highly interested in Devon Still at our pick.

ZONA
11-24-2011, 05:03 PM
We can't spend a 1st round pick on a WR.

*EDIT* Yeah that is my reading comprehension failing there.

We would have believed it was all the wine you drank during your feast today.

Agamemnon
11-24-2011, 05:21 PM
Since draft position is now determined by playoff performance the regular season record is not too important if we make the playoffs.

Well it means that we wouldn't be drafting above 20th at the very least.

Agamemnon
11-24-2011, 05:22 PM
We can't spend a 1st round pick on a WR.

*EDIT* Yeah that is my reading comprehension failing there.

Teams that have no true #1 receiver can and often do use 1st round picks on receivers...

gyldenlove
11-24-2011, 05:34 PM
We would have believed it was all the wine you drank during your feast today.

Dude I am in Canuckville, Canada thanksgiving was a month ago.

teknic
11-24-2011, 05:55 PM
Burfict is not nearly as good as people are making him out to be. This team doesn't need an inside linebacker that can't play every down in the NFL. Luke or Teo are the guys to talk about on the inside. Better instincts and much better coverage skills. Luke has outperformed Vontaze in every facet of the game.

This season, I'd agree. Something about Burfict looks off this year. He's not playing nearly as aggressively. Burfict has the potential to be a 3 down player, his speed is not as bad as people make it out to be. We need a MLB that runs hard into the holes to stuff the run.

DBroncos4life
11-24-2011, 07:26 PM
Teams that have no true #1 receiver can and often do use 1st round picks on receivers...

Then trade them away for nothing....oh wait that's just Denver. :)

BroncoMan4ever
11-24-2011, 08:22 PM
Landry Jones will be gone by the 5th pick this year. more than likely Luck, Barkley and Jones will be gone no later than 10th. the QB that is good and will still be available middle of the 1st is Foles

cutthemdown
11-24-2011, 08:49 PM
How many people were screaming SSL with the first pick at this point last yr? None of you were so forget it, you won't guess right lol. Broncos will take a RB or WR with the first pick IMO. They need people who can score tds.

Requiem
11-24-2011, 09:03 PM
This season, I'd agree. Something about Burfict looks off this year. He's not playing nearly as aggressively. Burfict has the potential to be a 3 down player, his speed is not as bad as people make it out to be. We need a MLB that runs hard into the holes to stuff the run.

Burfict just isn't that good. The last thing this team needs is a borderline retard who can't cover worth a **** and plays with no discipline.

Requiem
11-24-2011, 09:05 PM
Landry Jones will be gone by the 5th pick this year. more than likely Luck, Barkley and Jones will be gone no later than 10th. the QB that is good and will still be available middle of the 1st is Foles

If I threw the ball a million times a game I'd be an awesome prospect too.

pricejj
11-24-2011, 09:09 PM
Landry Jones will be gone by the 5th pick this year. more than likely Luck, Barkley and Jones will be gone no later than 10th. the QB that is good and will still be available middle of the 1st is Foles

Foles threw 3 picks against the Buffs. I think he is a 3rd round prospect. Griffin will also be gone in top 10.

Only decent QB's available at Broncos pick:

Ryan Tannehill, Branden Weeden

Requiem
11-24-2011, 09:12 PM
Yeah, lets draft a 28 year old QB who plays in an Air Raid offense.

**** that.

These draft takes suck the cake balls.

McDman
11-24-2011, 09:13 PM
Burfict just isn't that good. The last thing this team needs is a borderline retard who can't cover worth a **** and plays with no discipline.

Joe Mays?

Idiot Cannon Ball!

Lestat
11-24-2011, 09:14 PM
if the right guy isn't there, with the current slot we'd be picking in i'd be perfectly fine with them passing on a WR.

Manti T is a good LB but hasn't he delayed his mormon mission a couple of times now?
when is he going to take it?

epicSocialism4tw
11-24-2011, 09:15 PM
Foles threw 3 picks against the Buffs. I think he is a 3rd round prospect. Griffin will also be gone in top 10.

Only decent QB's available at Broncos pick:

Ryan Tannehill, Branden Weeden

Neither of those guys are worth picking.

Requiem
11-24-2011, 09:16 PM
Manti T is a good LB but hasn't he delayed his mormon mission a couple of times now?
when is he going to take it?

Kaylore and DomCasual can be our Broncos Ambassadors for Manti since they are stormin' mormons.

McDman
11-24-2011, 09:16 PM
We have a bunch of needs.

DT, CB, MLB, WR, RB. We need all of these but I'm not sure where we go in the first round. Surely it has to be defense.

There are also a couple questionable positions that we may go after but hopefully not in the top rounds... QB, C, G, FB.

Requiem
11-24-2011, 09:19 PM
Joe Mays?

Idiot Cannon Ball!

Intelligence has never and will never be an issue for Mays. It has been like that for Burfict since high school recruiting through his time at ASU. Wouldn't spend a high selection on a guy who couldn't read R.L. Stine books.

OrangeSe7en
11-24-2011, 09:19 PM
This is so easy it's not even funny. If you want to maximixe the best part of our defense CB has to be #1 prioirty. In a passing league, we have maybe probably the best pass rush combo in the league. Maixmize their potential with another stud CB opposite Champ. ILBer can be found in round two.The CB out of Nebraska might be there around our pick

Dumb. Goodell has castrated DBs to such an extent they're not even worth taking in the 1st anymore. It would be better to get another pass rusher. It's all about getting pressure on the QB.

Requiem
11-24-2011, 09:21 PM
We have a bunch of needs.

DT, CB, MLB, WR, RB. We need all of these but I'm not sure where we go in the first round. Surely it has to be defense.

There are also a couple questionable positions that we may go after but hopefully not in the top rounds... QB, C, G, FB.

We will have a better idea after Free Agency.

McDman
11-24-2011, 09:23 PM
Intelligence has never and will never be an issue for Mays. It has been like that for Burfict since high school recruiting through his time at ASU. Wouldn't spend a high selection on a guy who couldn't read R.L. Stine books.

You're projecting. R.L. Stine is a fine novelist.

teknic
11-24-2011, 09:39 PM
Burfict just isn't that good. The last thing this team needs is a borderline retard who can't cover worth a **** and plays with no discipline.

False. He's still a top tier ILB prospect. Is he the best in this class? That remains to be seen, but I wouldn't count him out.

Mile High Mojoe
11-24-2011, 10:34 PM
We have a bunch of needs.

DT, CB, MLB, WR, RB. We need all of these but I'm not sure where we go in the first round. Surely it has to be defense.

There are also a couple questionable positions that we may go after but hopefully not in the top rounds... QB, C, G, FB.

No matter what you post it always centers around drafting a QB huh Mcdipstick?

DBroncos4life
11-24-2011, 10:43 PM
No matter what you post it always centers around drafting a QB huh Mcdipstick?

A QB will be added either from FA or the draft regardless. No way this team goes into next year with just Tebow and Weber. I would be ok with drafting Brandon Weeden 6th, 7th or picking him up if he went undrafted. He's old but I think he would be a good pack up QB.

extralife
11-24-2011, 11:11 PM
No matter what you post it always centers around drafting a QB huh Mcdipstick?

uhhh, you do realize he listed FIVE positions as a priority over a QB, right? I mean, you can read, presumably?

Mile High Mojoe
11-24-2011, 11:15 PM
A QB will be added either from FA or the draft regardless. No way this team goes into next year with just Tebow and Weber. I would be ok with drafting Brandon Weeden 6th, 7th or picking him up if he went undrafted. He's old but I think he would be a good pack up QB.

I could go for that a lot easier than giving up the bank to draft one of this locks in the first round. McDork doesn't leave any room open to the idea of other options. Tebow outta here draft another QB, it's BS.

Mile High Mojoe
11-24-2011, 11:16 PM
uhhh, you do realize he listed FIVE positions as a priority over a QB, right? I mean, you can read, presumably?

My bad in this post he does say in later rounds but in all the other posts I've seen him post this is his opinion.

CEH
11-25-2011, 06:33 AM
Dumb. Goodell has castrated DBs to such an extent they're not even worth taking in the 1st anymore. It would be better to get another pass rusher. It's all about getting pressure on the QB.

Dumb you just called out front office dumb. Then dumb is giving Champ Bailey a contract extension and no help.Top pass rushers go earlier and often. QUality CBs can ge had in the middle round. Maybe we can draft the next Larry English (or another project DE pass rusher) at #17

McDman
11-25-2011, 06:56 AM
My bad in this post he does say in later rounds but in all the other posts I've seen him post this is his opinion.

Haha, you're pathetic. if you think we're not taking a QB either in the draft or FA you're an idiot. This is the only thread I have even talked about the draft. Clearly Tebow's spunk is clouding your judgement.

Criticism does not equal hate. I want him to succeed, just don't know if he will.

CEH
11-25-2011, 10:03 AM
I would like a Brandon Loyd "type" WR (but w/o the attitude) anytime after the 2nd rd. Tebow needs a guy who can make the tough catches, besides Royal could leave.

Look at Jarius Wright Arkanasas who might fit all your criteria. 4th round Steve Smith type player. Can go up and get the bad balls and has more speed than Eric Decker

OrangeSe7en
11-25-2011, 11:23 AM
Dumb you just called out front office dumb. Then dumb is giving Champ Bailey a contract extension and no help.Top pass rushers go earlier and often. QUality CBs can ge had in the middle round. Maybe we can draft the next Larry English (or another project DE pass rusher) at #17

Actually, you're saying these CBs are on Champ's level more than I'm saying the FO is dumb.

DBroncos4life
11-25-2011, 11:54 AM
We need Lavonte David. The guy can cover TE's, blitz, and is always around the ball making plays.

McDman
11-25-2011, 11:59 AM
I could go for that a lot easier than giving up the bank to draft one of this locks in the first round. McDork doesn't leave any room open to the idea of other options. Tebow outta here draft another QB, it's BS.

Again, you're making stuff up. I've never said I didn't want Tebow to succeed. I have left plenty of room for other options. If you go back to my previous I listed multiple options before that clearly means I am leaving options.

Again, I'll say this one more time. Bc I am critical of Tebow does not mean I hate him. I wouod love for him to succeed but because I' skeptical I am labelled a hater.

Play2win
11-25-2011, 12:17 PM
Haha, you're pathetic. if you think we're not taking a QB either in the draft or FA you're an idiot. This is the only thread I have even talked about the draft. Clearly Tebow's spunk is clouding your judgement.

Criticism does not equal hate. I want him to succeed, just don't know if he will.

Pathetic is too kind of a word. :)

Agamemnon
11-25-2011, 12:17 PM
We'd be better served picking up a vet QB backup than drafting one in the mid to late rounds. That would be pointless. We already have Weber.

CEH
11-25-2011, 01:01 PM
Actually, you're saying these CBs are on Champ's level more than I'm saying the FO is dumb.

Actually I said quality not elite to start opposite champ

Shananahan
11-25-2011, 01:04 PM
We need Lavonte David. The guy can cover TE's, blitz, and is always around the ball making plays.
I know you're a NE homer, but I'll agree. I see almost all of their games, and Davis is a fantastic player. Best on the team, I think. I have no idea where he'd fit in Denver's defense, but he'll be productive.

DBroncos4life
11-25-2011, 01:11 PM
I know you're a NE homer, but I'll agree. I see almost all of their games, and Davis is a fantastic player. Best on the team, I think. I have no idea where he'd fit in Denver's defense, but he'll be productive.

I don't think he is better then Alfonzo Dennard but he is good. NU's pass D was ranked in the 70's when Dennard was hurt and now we are in the 20's with him in there. He shut down Marvin McNutt today which is impressive.

I agree with you about where he fits on the team. Maybe starts out as a nickle LB covering TE's and providing more pass rush. I like DJ so it's hard for me to want him replaced even if it is with a Husker :)

OrangeSe7en
11-25-2011, 01:51 PM
Actually I said quality not elite to start opposite champ

OK, but the FO gave a lot of money to Champ because it's Champ and not just some guy. Its because of this that you're observation, that I was making an implied comment about the FO, is false.

And before it goes there, lets just break down why you could justify giving Champ a lot of money.

* His age is less of a concern when you consider he can play multiple positions in the secondary, partly because he's great at tackling

* It was beneficial to pay Champ to stay with the Broncos because that meant it was one less need they had to fill in the offseason and Champ is a quality player

* Champ is a good guy and a good teammate and you know what you're getting

So paying Champ a lot of money has reasons beyond what you stated about it being a premium position.

Requiem
11-25-2011, 02:41 PM
False. He's still a top tier ILB prospect. Is he the best in this class? That remains to be seen, but I wouldn't count him out.

This class is all dependent on junior declarations. I can tell you firmly he is not even in the Top 3 ILB in that class.

LaneLosh2
11-25-2011, 02:46 PM
The Raiders are hot and I don't really see Denver beating them out.

Agamemnon
11-25-2011, 04:15 PM
The Raiders are hot and I don't really see Denver beating them out.

The Raiders are hot? A two game win streak against two struggling teams doesn't really strike me as "hot".