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TDmvp
11-22-2011, 09:44 PM
So I'm going to pretend I'm John Fox/our FO and RAMBLE for a bit.
John Fox has always been known as a D minded coach who likes to run the ball and control the los and be physical.

Would it be stupid in the upcoming draft continue FIXING the D as has been a rallying cry for years?

Funny going into yet another draft with holes on D still that Qb is still a focal point. From the Cutler surprise on draft day , and then the Cutler trade and Orton coming in.Then to me at least fearing us moving up for Sanchez and then ending up drafting Tebow and adding Quinn somewhere in that mess and I'm just wore out from it...

So would it be so bad to go after things on D we are still needing this draft. That looks like cb,safeties,dt and maybe a another lb and not in any order in my opinion.

But fix the D and give Tebow another year ... A full year , where he goes into camp as the guy , and actually gets a camp and has a full year to prove he can progress in some of his weakness. But still play like Tebow but just be a little more accurate and a little better from the pocket.

With a good strong D and Tebow not turning the ball over and being boring and hopefully growing on O I would think you could win quite a few games and do it sorta the way Fox wants to do it anyway if we go by his past.

And if after that full year if he is losing lots of games and not progressing you cross that bridge.

I say all this as someone who didn't want us to draft Tebow and live in a state where he killed the teams from here and I wasn't a fan of him in college. I just think it would be stupid not to see what the end of the book is on this one because the ceiling on Tebow could just be insane.

From basically being the face of the league I would think if he's a winner to the fan draw/media coverage from out of state (love it or hate it).I would think the upside to seeing what he could be far out weighs being mediocre a year or two more.

So would it suck that bad to try to sure up the D add a Wr and some depth in other places late in the draft and FA... and play close games and hope to grow on O and see where this ends up ??? and If Tebow fails we have a darn good D hopefully and can look for Qbs.


This has been running through my head since the Jets game along with thinking about the type of coach we hired who is D minded and just wanted to ramble on it a bit...

Sorry for starting another "Tebow thread" even tho it was more about the team then Tebow but after the day I've had I was just basically using the mane as a distraction.

Flame away and or post the "Didn't read It" gif :)

GO Broncos...:bronxrox: http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt331/Peerless7/Tebow.png

That One Guy
11-22-2011, 09:50 PM
tl; dr

But I did see Tebow references. I want my admission back.

broncocalijohn
11-22-2011, 09:51 PM
I think most here would love to go heavy on defense again. Not that there isnt any holes on offense right now but I think the excitement of the improvement on D by fans and probably the FO and Fox wanting more. CB and DL are top priorites on defense. Dawkins can go another year? I believe we go with a QB some point in the draft but that doesn't mean Tebow loses out of the starting job. With Quinn possibly gone, we have 2 young QBs right now. FA veteran might be signed too.

TheReverend
11-22-2011, 09:53 PM
I think most here would love to go heavy on defense again. Not that there isnt any holes on offense right now but I think the excitement of the improvement on D is fans and probably the FO and Fox wanting more. CB and DL are top priorites on defense. Dawkins can go another year? I believe we go with a QB some point in the draft but that doesn't mean Tebow loses out of the starting job. With Quinn possibly gone, we have 2 young QBs right now. FA veteran might be signed too.

Dawkins couldn't go another year two years ago.

That One Guy
11-22-2011, 09:57 PM
I went back and reread. I was just kidding. I like TDmvp too much to tl; dr one of his threads.

To me, the D has been playing pretty darn well lately. I think they could get an FA corner that'd be better than what we currently have but I see no reason to start from scratch with one. I very much think the position is completely dependent on other positions though so I'm probably devaluing the position too much.

If the D can hold up, I don't think you keep using picks trying to completely shut down opposing Os when your O can't put up 17 points a game sometimes. I don't know what the answer is and RB should never be a high pick but they need someone that'll convert into points for the O. Heck, if need be, stick with the same O, get an AJ Green or Julio Jones type player that you can chuck it deep for and use deep balls to try and pick up a few extra points.

I just think the D is too solid now to merit a draft focus if the team isn't scoring points.

TDmvp
11-22-2011, 09:58 PM
tl; dr

But I did see Tebow references. I want my admission back.



:spit: ... In short it says I love Tebow and puppies and have visions of them dancing in a field with Guile's theme playing in the background.

Was basically killing time waiting on the podcast to be posted and if anyone read it and had a opinion that was a bonus... Carry on heheh ...

Dagmar
11-22-2011, 10:01 PM
Excellent post, I agree. Give him one more year (I doubt Weber or a rookie will be THAT much better) and concentrate on getting an MLB, DT and more secondary help. Plus a mid to late round RB and another young O lineman.

TDmvp
11-22-2011, 10:02 PM
I went back and reread. I was just kidding. I like TDmvp too much to tl; dr one of his threads.

To me, the D has been playing pretty darn well lately. I think they could get an FA corner that'd be better than what we currently have but I see no reason to start from scratch with one. I very much think the position is completely dependent on other positions though so I'm probably devaluing the position too much.

If the D can hold up, I don't think you keep using picks trying to completely shut down opposing Os when your O can't put up 17 points a game sometimes. I don't know what the answer is and RB should never be a high pick but they need someone that'll convert into points for the O. Heck, if need be, stick with the same O, get an AJ Green or Julio Jones type player that you can chuck it deep for and use deep balls to try and pick up a few extra points.

I just think the D is too solid now to merit a draft focus if the team isn't scoring points.



Wr I wouldn't mind us upgrading if we think DT isn't going to pan out. I'd like to see them add to the O but just not use high picks on it like we have of late. Would be great to add a quality Wr through FA or 2nd/3rd round.

teknic
11-22-2011, 10:03 PM
This is why I wanted Tebow to be named the starter in training camp, so he'd have the majority of the offseason getting first team practice.

If EFX are serious about building a long term contender, they have to take the BPA regardless of position. If they somehow believe they are close to contending, they may target a specific position, even if it means trading to be in position to draft a player.

I find it difficult to believe we are a QB away from a championship team, so I will lose a lot of respect for the FO if they trade for a top QB pick. That's not even me throwing support behind Tebow, I'm still not sold on him long term. It all comes down to the fact that drafted players are prospects and they could also turn out to be busts. Successful drafting teams, especially the Patriots, amass as many picks as they can, improving the odds that they hit on one or multiple picks.

Tebow wasn't given a fair shot at the beginning of the year, but he's winning now and that's all you can ask for with a young QB. Fox has proven that he can win with Tebow, so give him time to develop. The Broncos have a lot of positions that could be upgraded in the draft, so I would hope that EFX consider how far it could set the franchise back if they trade for a top QB and he flops.

That One Guy
11-22-2011, 10:14 PM
Wr I wouldn't mind us upgrading if we think DT isn't going to pan out. I'd like to see them add to the O but just not use high picks on it like we have of late. Would be great to add a quality Wr through FA or 2nd/3rd round.

I don't follow college too much so don't really know the deal with DT but I've seen people talk about his freakish physical abilities yet when I see him, everything looks slow and/or lazy. I just don't get it.

I think a burner doesn't need to be any more than something like Tory Smith, I think it is, for the Ravens. I'm not sure he does anything but run go routes and I think he was a 4th or 5th rounder. Something like that. I just think either a mindset or player change needs to happen on O. Currently, I think our D>O.

mkporter
11-22-2011, 10:14 PM
This thread seems alcohol-fueled. I approve.

29569

TDmvp
11-22-2011, 10:19 PM
This thread seems alcohol-fueled. I approve.

29569

LOL 2 beer and half a doob fueled , but it's been a long day...

Best friend lost his dad today and that stuff always makes me think about facing that day with my parents and myself sorta and there was a wreck in my yard yesterday and a man was killed so it's been a crap 24 hours.

That One Guy
11-22-2011, 10:21 PM
LOL 2 beer and half a doob fueled , but it's been a long day...

Best friend lost his dad today and that stuff always makes me think about facing that day and there was a wreck in my yard yesterday and a man was killed so it's been a crap 24 hours.

Every day wasted pondering our inevitable demise is time wasted that you could've been creating memories with. Ponder our demise when it's the last thing you're capable of doing.

Now that the gayness is out, I can't wait till finals are over so I can bust out the whiskey and not remember anything I studied for...

mkporter
11-22-2011, 10:30 PM
LOL 2 beer and half a doob fueled , but it's been a long day...

Best friend lost his dad today and that stuff always makes me think about facing that day with my parents and myself sorta and there was a wreck in my yard yesterday and a man was killed so it's been a crap 24 hours.

Well, I'll throw another one back in hopes that the rest of your week kicks ass. Capped by Rivers crapping himself on Sunday, of course.

epicSocialism4tw
11-23-2011, 12:44 AM
I have been on that train for years, TDmvp.

since 2006:

Plummer and Walker out
Cutler and Marshall in

Cutler and Marshall out
Orton and Lloyd in

Orton and Lloyd out
Tebow and Decker in


Isn't it time to give the rotating QB/WR door a little rest? We have needed to load for bear in terms of talent on defense for years. Draft a MLB, draft a CB, draft DT.

I'd like to see us draft a playmaker RB too.

ol#7
11-23-2011, 01:10 AM
Epic hits on it. D is still not fixed. This team still has alot of holes. Our secondary consists of a 10 year vet, 13 year vet and 16 year vet. MLB has and continues to be a problem. Need a couple of gamebreakers on offense too. Even if they make the playoffs this year, the team isnt a title contender as constructed.

epicSocialism4tw
11-23-2011, 01:19 AM
Epic hits on it. D is still not fixed. This team still has alot of holes. Our secondary consists of a 10 year vet, 13 year vet and 16 year vet. MLB has and continues to be a problem. Need a couple of gamebreakers on offense too. Even if they make the playoffs this year, the team isnt a title contender as constructed.

If we add a couple of young talented DBs, a stud MLB, and a playmaker RB with gamebreaking speed, we'll be a contender within two more seasons.

Two drafts and two free agency periods should supply the front office with more than enough opportunities to build a contender, and it has nothing to do with the talent at the QB position.

They should give Tebow the keys, and if he isn't an improved player to the point that he gives the Broncos a level of dominance on offense, then you move in a different direction. But as of today, Tebow is earning those keys.

tsiguy96
11-23-2011, 03:29 AM
little factoid...
elway said last week on 1043 that tebow has had only 12 practices as starter going into last weeks game.

That One Guy
11-23-2011, 08:29 AM
Aside from the pipe dream in Peterson, the two RBs fans on the Mane seemed loudest in favor of drafting (that I recall) were Moreno and Maroney.

We've lost out right to petition for RB. I'm really impressed with DT play this year so my constant screaming for years for a fat guy up front is very diminished. I'm content seeing if Warren brings anything and if this group progresses next season. If anything, I think the team is about balanced enough to go BPA.

Dagmar
11-23-2011, 08:35 AM
little factoid...
elway said last week on 1043 that tebow has had only 12 practices as starter going into last weeks game.

12?? How is that possible??