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Ronnie Tsunami
11-20-2011, 02:54 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/19/elway-xanders-scouting-oklahoma-baylor-game/10747/

Elway and Bowlen were both present for yesterday's Oklahoma-Baylor tip-fest.

My question to all you intelligent orange-blooded souls - why did they choose to scout this game as opposed to another one?

Is it the sheer number of pro-prospects on both teams, or was it the two quarterbacks that were going head-to-head?

My interpretation is predictable; Elway still isn't sold on Teh Teebz and was there to check out the QB duo.

Watchu thankin? (Poll)

Bronx33
11-20-2011, 02:55 PM
yahhhh!!! another tebow thread!!!

OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 02:55 PM
I dont think he was there to check out potential 4th round picks.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 02:57 PM
Ofcourse he's not sold. He's stated that many times. They have visited Stanford games often, and I'm sure they've visited USC and now they saw Jones and RGIII.

There's no harm in scouting top QBs. Tebow will have to show significant progress as a passer in the last six games before they commit to him. That will be the key factor.

OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 02:58 PM
Ofcourse he's not sold. He's stated that many times. They have visited Stanford games often, and I'm sure they've visited USC and now they saw Jones and RGIII.

There's no harm in scouting top QBs. Tebow will have to show significant progress as a passer in the last six games before they commit to him. That will be the key factor.

Or he'll have to keep helping deliver wins so that they're out of position to draft Luck, Jones, RG3, or Barkley.

TheReverend
11-20-2011, 03:00 PM
Due diligence.

Frankly I'm glad they're doing their jobs.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Or he'll have to keep helping deliver wins so that they're out of position to draft Luck, Jones, RG3, or Barkley.

Or that too. :)

IMO, they are going to draft one at some point, if not the 1st then the 2nd if not the 2nd, at worst the 3rd. Elway is not comfortable with this type of football, regardless of the results. Luck is gone as an option, Barkley is almost gone, so now its down to those other guys later in the first round. I know Elway has also scouted Foles. A QB will be drafted somewhere between Rd 1-3 unless we win the division and get into the postseason with Tebow being a key factor, even if its in an ugly way. That is the only scenario which the FO would simply lack the political capital to do what they want to do.

bombay
11-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Haven't seen enough of Griffin to draw any conclusions. Is he an NFL style QB? That is, does he accurately read defenses (at the level he is playing), look to 2nd and 3rd options, etc? Does he throw a spiral? Is he accurate? I know he's very fast, but don't see the point in drafting another QB that needs to be trained in basic NFL QB skills.

enjolras
11-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Not to mention that there were a LOT of pro prospects on that field. It's not just QB's.

elsid13
11-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Ofcourse he's not sold. He's stated that many times. They have visited Stanford games often, and I'm sure they've visited USC and now they saw Jones and RGIII.

There's no harm in scouting top QBs. Tebow will have to show significant progress as a passer in the last six games before they commit to him. That will be the key factor.

They have scouted every first/second round QB prospect except Tannehill at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if Elway and Xanders don't watch him next weekend against Texas.

Meck77
11-20-2011, 03:03 PM
Tebow seems to respond to negative reinforcement unlike bitches like Jay Cutler for example. If I'm running a $1,000,000,000 business I'd make it a point to understand what the market is doing around me and what my future options are.

Play2win
11-20-2011, 03:07 PM
Smokescreen for him Choosing Matt Barkley in April.

teknic
11-20-2011, 03:32 PM
Due diligence.

Frankly I'm glad they're doing their jobs.

This.

Remember, he scouted a bunch of QBs last year even after Tebow was talked about as the starter going forward.

Broncoman13
11-20-2011, 05:44 PM
Ofcourse he's not sold. He's stated that many times. They have visited Stanford games often, and I'm sure they've visited USC and now they saw Jones and RGIII.

There's no harm in scouting top QBs. Tebow will have to show significant progress as a passer in the last six games before they commit to him. That will be the key factor.

Also keep in mind that Vic Lombardi mentioned two or three weeks ago that the QB the Broncos were most interested in was RGIII.

I have to admit, outside of Luck he would be my choice as well. Love me some Tebow, but I see a lot of upside in RGIII too.

brncs_fan
11-20-2011, 05:47 PM
Due diligence.

Frankly I'm glad they're doing their jobs.

^This FTW

Hamrob
11-20-2011, 05:49 PM
Ofcourse he's not sold. He's stated that many times. They have visited Stanford games often, and I'm sure they've visited USC and now they saw Jones and RGIII.

There's no harm in scouting top QBs. Tebow will have to show significant progress as a passer in the last six games before they commit to him. That will be the key factor.Wrong! Tebow will have to continue to win football games. That will be the key factor. If we somehow make the playoffs, with Tebow at QB. Good luck trying to draft a QB in the 1st round. EFX will have their heads handed to them in that situation.

Hamrob
11-20-2011, 05:51 PM
Or that too. :)

IMO, they are going to draft one at some point, if not the 1st then the 2nd if not the 2nd, at worst the 3rd. Elway is not comfortable with this type of football, regardless of the results. Luck is gone as an option, Barkley is almost gone, so now its down to those other guys later in the first round. I know Elway has also scouted Foles. A QB will be drafted somewhere between Rd 1-3 unless we win the division and get into the postseason with Tebow being a key factor, even if its in an ugly way. That is the only scenario which the FO would simply lack the political capital to do what they want to do.I didn't read far enough. We are on the same page. :notworthy

Jay3
11-20-2011, 06:13 PM
:spit:Haven't seen enough of Griffin to draw any conclusions. Is he an NFL style QB? That is, does he accurately read defenses (at the level he is playing), look to 2nd and 3rd options, etc? Does he throw a spiral? Is he accurate? I know he's very fast, but don't see the point in drafting another QB that needs to be trained in basic NFL QB skills.

He looks incredible. I don't see any weaknesses. I'll bet his stock rises as we get closer to the draft, and he goes very early, in any event ahead of Landry Jones.

OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 06:15 PM
:spit:

He looks incredible. I don't see any weaknesses. I'll bet his stock rises as we get closer to the draft, and he goes very early, in any event ahead of Landry Jones.

There's a lot of talk that he's going to stay in school.

Kaylore
11-20-2011, 10:09 PM
Due diligence.

Frankly I'm glad they're doing their jobs.

/cosign

SureShot
11-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Free booze

ZONA
11-20-2011, 10:18 PM
Due diligence.

Frankly I'm glad they're doing their jobs.

Thank you.



Why is anybody trying to read into this more then what it really is. I'm sure they would love nothing more then to know as much as they can about ALL NFL prospects. That's how you draft well. Just because Tebow is winning some games doesn't mean you stop scouting.

I do think though the visit to that game kills 2 birds with 1 stone. You want to see Landry and find out if he's worth your 1st pick. I also think if Tebow keeps winning and the Broncos are sold on this option thing and are going to build the team for this type of offense, it makes sense to draft another QB who can run this offense. If Tebow gets injured, you hate to change up the entire offense because you back up QB is not geared to run the original offense. RGIII can probably be had in the late 2nd or 3rd. Not many NFL teams want an option QB. If the Broncos could land him in the 3rd, and they are going to stay with this offense, that would be a nice pick.

BroncoMan4ever
11-20-2011, 11:01 PM
if Elway isn't sold on Tebow there is no chance in hell he was looking at Griffin. he was checking out Jones. right now if the season ended today we would be picking something like 16th, and way to far to realistically move up to get Luck, but possibly still able to move up and get Jones, especially if he slides a little in the top 10.

BroncoBuff
11-20-2011, 11:38 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/19/elway-xanders-scouting-oklahoma-baylor-game/10747/

Elway and Bowlen were both present for yesterday's Oklahoma-Baylor tip-fest.

Link says XANDERS was there, not Bowlen.

Either way, Elway does scout lots of 1st round caliber QBs ...

broncocalijohn
11-20-2011, 11:51 PM
Landry Jones gets the Broncos to the 10 yard line and then Tebow comes in for the score. He is already used to it with Blake Bell stealing his thunder near the goalline.

Jameson, don't you think it is wise for them to check out anyone possible that will be available on the draft board. You can put all your eggs in one basket or just have the top 50 on the board and go from there. Been there, done that.

epicSocialism4tw
11-21-2011, 01:13 AM
Ofcourse he's not sold. He's stated that many times. They have visited Stanford games often, and I'm sure they've visited USC and now they saw Jones and RGIII.

There's no harm in scouting top QBs. Tebow will have to show significant progress as a passer in the last six games before they commit to him. That will be the key factor.

Bowlen is already in with Tebow. He said something to the effect that Tebow's going to be in Denver a long time after the Jets game.

People keep talking about the idea that Tebow has to win X amount of games to keep his job, but I just don't think its true at all. Tebow has been a major aspect of changing the culture of the team from a formerly entrenched loser mentality to a team that will bruise you all over and fight you to the death.

I can guarantee that when the season concludes, that coach fox and coach McCoy will have Tebow's improvements well documented (they both say that he improves every week) and they'll consider that information. But what will stick in their minds is what the stadium felt like when Tebow led the comeback against the Jets. That's something that you'll never get with another player. There is more pressure and criticism on Tebow than there has ever been on another player in the NFL, and yet even when Tebow is in the midst of a struggle, he rises above and delivers. Its incredible.

Tebow takes to coaching like he's one of the staff (staying late in the coaches office, etc). He protects the ball. He does whatever he can within his power to do what the coaches ask of him every time he goes out there. He isn't more concerned about his own statistics than he is concerned about a game plan. He's the definition of team-first.

I think that by the end of the season, the coaching staff will be excited about what they'll get to do with Tebow in the offseason and that will carry over into camp and next season.

I mean think about it...that stadium was insane on Thursday night. When Tebow crossed that goal line and was mobbed by his teammates, there was a feeling that Broncos fans and players had forgotten completely that they were part of a losing franchise. That feeling was replaced by one of "we're some tough, clutch freaks who are going to punish you on both sides of the ball and win the game...no matter what it takes or how much time is left on the clock". Just as Tebow was at the center of the mob after his winning TD, Tebow is at the center of that feeling. Tebow is at the center of the "everyone is against us, but we're going to smack you in the mouth anyway" mentality that now permeates the team.

The players love him, McCoy obviously loves the guy, and you can tell that he's growing on Fox by the hour.

If the Broncos moved away from Tebow, it would be viewed as one of the biggest head-scratchers in recent NFL memory. The dude has been a major part of turning one of the loser franchises of the NFL into a competitive team. Tebow is 4-1 this season. I think that this season would have been viewed as a success for him if when he took over that he had won 4 total games. Many people didn't believe that he'd win more than 1!

There are 6 games left on the schedule. The Broncos could very well go 3-3 and miss the playoffs by a game. If that happens, the Tebow would still have had an utterly amazing season worthy of praise and accolades.

If the Broncos pull off the amazing and make the playoffs? Unthinkable. I mean really...the team was 1-4 when he took over and had long since crashed into the earth.

Tebow's the guy.

HorseHead
11-21-2011, 04:37 AM
The starting QB next year will be the same guy starting this Sunday..suck it up..and if you don't like it..lump it..

Agamemnon
11-21-2011, 12:09 PM
Smokescreen for him Choosing Matt Barkley in April.

With the 15th to 20th overall pick? Hilarious!

Agamemnon
11-21-2011, 12:18 PM
We keep winning and all the big time QB prospects will be out of reach. So it may not matter...