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ZONA
11-20-2011, 12:53 AM
Watching showdown in the desert (ASU vs UofA) and they had a sideline interview with Plummer. Said he missed the NFL. Didn't feel like he wanted to retire so soon. He loves the fact that Tebow and this option running game is sorta bucking the NFL trend. You got a sense that if only he had been given this same type of opportunity he would have stayed playing.

Honestly, I don't think his body would have held up doing what Tebow does. He would be in the same situation Vick is in, always banged up. Still think he was great on the move but his biggest problem wasn't so much the pocket, it was very poor decision making and turnovers.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-20-2011, 12:59 AM
Too bad Jake Plummer was a quitter. He was sure fun to root for until he went into b!tch mode after 2005.

broncocalijohn
11-20-2011, 01:01 AM
Plummer wasnt that type of QB. I liked him but with his article that came out recently, it paints him as a quitter. I know he was pissed off at Shanahan and understand as someone who is competitive. Now, does he want to be a backup for Denver?

epicSocialism4tw
11-20-2011, 02:33 AM
Watching showdown in the desert (ASU vs UofA) and they had a sideline interview with Plummer. Said he missed the NFL. Didn't feel like he wanted to retire so soon. He loves the fact that Tebow and this option running game is sorta bucking the NFL trend. You got a sense that if only he had been given this same type of opportunity he would have stayed playing.

Honestly, I don't think his body would have held up doing what Tebow does. He would be in the same situation Vick is in, always banged up. Still think he was great on the move but his biggest problem wasn't so much the pocket, it was very poor decision making and turnovers.

Plummer is pretty much a darn-near pure nonconformist.

I'm not surprised that he likes something that conventional people seem to hate. I think that he prefers it that way.

Armchair Bronco
11-20-2011, 02:40 AM
I liked Plummer. He wasn't a long-term answer, but heck he took us to the AFC Championship game. His best years were wasted playing for the Cardinals.

But once you get in Shannyham's doghouse, you're doomed.

cutthemdown
11-20-2011, 02:45 AM
I liked Plummer. He wasn't a long-term answer, but heck he took us to the AFC Championship game. His best years were wasted playing for the Cardinals.

But once you get in Shannyham's doghouse, you're doomed.

Shannahan a joke now IMO. What are the chances Kyle Shannahan should even be an o coord? It's daddy throwing him a bone IMO.

Armchair Bronco
11-20-2011, 02:53 AM
Shannahan a joke now IMO. What are the chances Kyle Shannahan should even be an o coord? It's daddy throwing him a bone IMO.

Yeah, Shannyham needed to go. I was calling for his head back in 1999 when that wasn't a very popular thing to do. But all coaches get stale and predictable, and Shanny was no different.

What I didn't think would happen is that Bowlen would hand the keys to the fortress to a 30-something Stalinist dictator. Head coach, maybe. But not nominal GM and ruler of everything orange and blue. :facepalm

When Shanny went to the Skins, I knew that there would be at least couple of mega personality clashes and public embarrassments orchestrated by Little Napoleon. I wasn't disappointed with McNabb and Albert Haynesworth. I saw those meltdowns coming months in advance. Shanny just can't help himself.

Simple Jake
11-20-2011, 03:15 AM
Wait... Shannahan isn't Denvers coach anymore? ???

TDmvp
11-20-2011, 03:39 AM
I was calling for his head back in 1999 when that wasn't a very popular thing to do.[/B]


So let me get this straight ...

You was calling for Shanny's head a year after the most wins the team ever head , and back to back Super Bowls . During a bad season I give you in which you lose your franchise HOF Qb to retirement and the best rb in the league to injury ?..


You're brilliant.

cutthemdown
11-20-2011, 03:45 AM
Yeah, Shannyham needed to go. I was calling for his head back in 1999 when that wasn't a very popular thing to do. But all coaches get stale and predictable, and Shanny was no different.

What I didn't think would happen is that Bowlen would hand the keys to the fortress to a 30-something Stalinist dictator. Head coach, maybe. But not nominal GM and ruler of everything orange and blue. :facepalm

When Shanny went to the Skins, I knew that there would be at least couple of mega personality clashes and public embarrassments orchestrated by Little Napoleon. I wasn't disappointed with McNabb and Albert Haynesworth. I saw those meltdowns coming months in advance. Shanny just can't help himself.

I guess I am being cynical but I wonder if it wasn't for his son needing a stepping stone to being a head coach if Shanny would even be coaching. He seems like he is just going through the motions to me, but I guess you can never know something like that being an outsider.

But nothing about what he has done in DC seems to make any sense to me.

The thing about Denver was people underestimate how good Shannies players were. Sure he found a lot of late gem rbs but let's think about those teams.

Zimmerman, Stinky, Nalen, Sharpe, Elway, Davis, R. Smith, Eddie Mac, Romo, Neil Smith, Atwater, T Davis, H. Griffith just off the top of my head. That's like 6-7 potential HOFer he had going at one time. Was shanny a wizard, or was he a good coach with unbelievable players? Still he built the team and got us our ring. But looking back I think know we understand how talented that team really was.

I still think those Superbowl teams could hang with any team that has won Superbowl since.

TDmvp
11-20-2011, 03:49 AM
I guess I am being cynical but I wonder if it wasn't for his son needing a stepping stone to being a head coach if Shanny would even be coaching. He seems like he is just going through the motions to me, but I guess you can never know something like that being an outsider.

But nothing about what he has done in DC seems to make any sense to me.

The thing about Denver was people underestimate how good Shannies players were. Sure he found a lot of late gem rbs but let's think about those teams.

Zimmerman, Stinky, Nalen, Sharpe, Elway, Davis, R. Smith, Eddie Mac, Romo, Neil Smith, Atwater, T Davis, H. Griffith just off the top of my head. That's like 6-7 potential HOFer he had going at one time. Was shanny a wizard, or was he a good coach with unbelievable players? Still he built the team and got us our ring. But looking back I think know we understand how talented that team really was.

I still think those Superbowl teams could hang with any team that has won Superbowl since.



I always complain about this anytime the media talks best SB teams of all time and we don't get enough respect for being a top end sb team and homerness aside I can't think of many team as loaded on O as we was those years.

cutthemdown
11-20-2011, 03:51 AM
So let me get this straight ...

You was calling for Shanny's head a year after the most wins the team ever head , and back to back Super Bowls . During a bad season I give you in which you lose your franchise HOF Qb to retirement and the best rb in the league to injury ?..


You're brilliant.

Yeah I always thought that yr was just bad luck and the Elway hangover. I didn't really even want him fired when they fired him. It was hard to let go. Shanny was a great coach it just doesn't seem to work for him anymore. Ugg we went from top dogs to nothing pretty fast, wasn't easy to stomach.

I'll never forget the 98 Superbowl. I was with my band in Vegas playing party the Sat before the Superbowl at the Orleans hotel. I turned on tv when we got back to the room and saw the announcement Eugene Robinson had been arrested. I went str8 to sports book and put 500.00 more bucks on the Broncos! It's east to sort of bag on Shanny now because things not working for him, but I will always love him because we were laughingstock losers in the Superbowl until he was our head coach. I just wonder if he is still as into it as he was in the late 90's or if he is holding on so his son can get a shot at being a head coach.

cutthemdown
11-20-2011, 03:53 AM
I liked Plummer. He wasn't a long-term answer, but heck he took us to the AFC Championship game. His best years were wasted playing for the Cardinals.

But once you get in Shannyham's doghouse, you're doomed.

I liked Plummer as well. Seems like a real down to earth, slam a beer, go camping and fishing sort of dude. Too bad he quit really. He should have went to Tampa and played football. That is were we sent him right? Can't remember for sure.

TDmvp
11-20-2011, 04:12 AM
I liked Plummer as well. Seems like a real down to earth, slam a beer, go camping and fishing sort of dude. Too bad he quit really. He should have went to Tampa and played football. That is were we sent him right? Can't remember for sure.


Yea it was Tampa ... And as bad as they was and even if they was good I don't blame him for hanging them up and sitting on the lake with Kollette , she's pretty smoking. :D

elsid13
11-20-2011, 05:33 AM
Shannahan a joke now IMO. What are the chances Kyle Shannahan should even be an o coord? It's daddy throwing him a bone IMO.

He was offense coordinator in Houston before he came to Washington.

Steve Prefontaine
11-20-2011, 06:13 AM
So let me get this straight ...

You was calling for Shanny's head a year after the most wins the team ever head , and back to back Super Bowls . During a bad season I give you in which you lose your franchise HOF Qb to retirement and the best rb in the league to injury ?..


You're brilliant.

To be fair, at that point Shanahan hadn't won a Super Bowl in months.

What have you done for me lately?

barryr
11-20-2011, 06:52 AM
I saw the interview and he was bashing Shahanan, but did not want to use his name. He said something about if he had been allowed to play out of the pocket more and someone not trying to make him a pure pocket passer, he would have had more success and would have still been playing.

Shanahan did great things for the Broncos, but after Elway retired, his frequent bad drafts caught up to them. They made it to the AFC Championship game once after Elway left, with Plummer at QB, but their defense got totally torched in that game and Shanahan's response was to draft a QB in the 1st round and once again try to improve the defense with other teams' rejects. It hasn't been until this year we have seen good defense since that Pittsburgh playoff game.

Jesterhole
11-20-2011, 07:38 AM
I liked Jake, took us to the AFC Championship game and was a baller. He crumbled with Cutler behind him, and that was sad to see, but we were all ready for Jay to come in at that point. Still, he was a fighter, and ran the naked bootleg better than any other QB since Elway.

HAT
11-20-2011, 08:14 AM
Good on ya Jake.....F Shanahan & F Cutler.

Broncobiv
11-20-2011, 08:45 AM
Watching showdown in the desert (ASU vs UofA) and they had a sideline interview with Plummer. Said he missed the NFL. Didn't feel like he wanted to retire so soon. He loves the fact that Tebow and this option running game is sorta bucking the NFL trend. You got a sense that if only he had been given this same type of opportunity he would have stayed playing.

Honestly, I don't think his body would have held up doing what Tebow does. He would be in the same situation Vick is in, always banged up. Still think he was great on the move but his biggest problem wasn't so much the pocket, it was very poor decision making and turnovers.

I was there, and it was GLORIOUS!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e4/University_of_Arizona_Block_A.svg/300px-University_of_Arizona_Block_A.svg.png

broncogary
11-20-2011, 09:02 AM
Watching showdown in the desert (ASU vs UofA) and they had a sideline interview with Plummer. Said he missed the NFL. Didn't feel like he wanted to retire so soon. He loves the fact that Tebow and this option running game is sorta bucking the NFL trend. You got a sense that if only he had been given this same type of opportunity he would have stayed playing.

Honestly, I don't think his body would have held up doing what Tebow does. He would be in the same situation Vick is in, always banged up. Still think he was great on the move but his biggest problem wasn't so much the pocket, it was very poor decision making and turnovers.

I feel way more confident with Tebow in the pocket than I ever did with Jake.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 09:15 AM
The only thing I don't like about Plummer is he quit. But th fact that he got replaced by Quitler would suck for anyone.

Rohirrim
11-20-2011, 09:20 AM
Elway and TD made Shanahan a mastermind. ;D

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-20-2011, 11:39 AM
Who here thinks that Shannahan wouldn't put some magic on Tebow?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-20-2011, 11:40 AM
I feel way more confident with Tebow in the pocket than I ever did with Jake.

Are you even watching the games?

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 12:17 PM
Not interested in his opinions.

Popps
11-20-2011, 12:18 PM
I would have liked to have seen a Von Miller type added to that 2005 team. We were absolutely awful at getting to the passer, particularly in big gams.

That said, I think Jake is just expressing what most fans feel... it's fun to watch a kid like Tebow, particularly running a system that's so different.

I had a couple of guys at work come up to me raving about the kid... and they're not Broncos fans. One guy said it's his new "favorite player in the NFL."

It's just fun to watch. Not always pretty, but it's interesting.

Hamrob
11-20-2011, 12:20 PM
To me...it's what Tebow "gets" that Plummer just never "got".

You have to make "Good Decisions" with the football.

I loved Plummer too...but, he turned the ball over way too often. He was essentially what Tebow is today...at the end of is career. Meaning he could not hit receivers in stride to save his life. Tebow will be a much better passer down the line. Plummer best play was that delayed roll out where he'd go down town. Great play. I wish that our coaches would run that with Tebow.

Popps
11-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Not interested in his opinions.

Now if Pink-Pants Cutler gave his... you'd perk up, right? The guy who never won anything as a Bronco and never seemed to care? That guy?


All Jake did was rack up a .750 winning percentage and bring life back to the franchise. He never wore sexy pink pants or make-up.



http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/jay-cutler.jpg

DBroncos4life
11-20-2011, 12:23 PM
Now if Pink-Pants Cutler gave his... you'd perk up, right? The guy who never won anything as a Bronco and never seemed to care? That guy?


All Jake did was rack up a .750 winning percentage and bring life back to the franchise. He never wore sexy pink pants or make-up.



http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/jay-cutler.jpg

I really doubt socal cares what a Rams fan has to say either.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 12:32 PM
Now if Pink-Pants Cutler gave his... you'd perk up, right?

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/jay-cutler.jpg

Yes, I would care about his opinions, very much so. He did a great job here and at least he was grateful for what Shanny did for him. He'll always be a great Bronco in my mind. It wasn't Jay who admitted he mentally give up and it wasn't Jay who blasted the coach who saved his career and gave him a huge payday when he was in the trash heap of the NFL.

When he apologizes for all the stuff he's said about Shanny and shows gratefulness for all he did for him, then I'll start to care what Plummer thinks.

Pseudofool
11-20-2011, 12:44 PM
He did a great job here.Not to be a d!ck, but how exactly are you defining great? I just don't see how you can say that by any measure/standard. Maybe he did a 'fine' job--but greatness is called greatness for a reason. No reason for hyperbole to prove your point.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 12:54 PM
Not to be a d!ck, but how exactly are you defining great? I just don't see how you can say that by any measure/standard. Maybe he did a 'fine' job--but greatness is called greatness for a reason. No reason for hyperbole to prove your point.

It's not hyperbole. He was a Pro Bowler by his third season. He was saddled with the worst defenses in the team's history and also played through untreated diabetes and still played pretty well, outside of being too aggressive at times. I will always cherish the time Jay was here. He was a great Bronco and as long as he's in the league, he'll be my favorite QB.

Natedog24
11-20-2011, 12:56 PM
:deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorse :deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorse

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 12:58 PM
Yes, I would care about his opinions, very much so. He did a great job here and at least he was grateful for what Shanny did for him. He'll always be a great Bronco in my mind. It wasn't Jay who admitted he mentally give up and it wasn't Jay who blasted the coach who saved his career and gave him a huge payday when he was in the trash heap of the NFL.

When he apologizes for all the stuff he's said about Shanny and shows gratefulness for all he did for him, then I'll start to care what Plummer thinks.

He was great at drinking and being a Full Douche you are correct. Someone we should value for his opinion. ;D

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 01:00 PM
He was great at drinking and being a Full Douche you are correct. Someone we should value for his opinion. ;D

I'm glad you're admitting we shouldn't value Bowlen's opinions. ;D

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 01:02 PM
I'm glad you're admitting we shouldn't value Bowlen's opinions. ;D

Actually Cutler but now that you say that it makes no sense why those two weren't peas in a pod.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 01:06 PM
Actually Cutler but now that you say that it makes no sense why those two weren't peas in a pod.

Bowlen is like in his late 60s, he's kind of supposed to have sowed his wild oats by now and is supposed to be slightly more mature than kids in their 20s not far removed from college.

Guess not though. I can't give you too much grief about that though, as I can see why you would have such low expectations for Pat. He's basically worthless in every respect. :)

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 01:09 PM
Except for bringing you two Superbowls and dumping two coaches who weren't cutting it (Shanahan and McD) and helping put a new team together that is doing better than expected. But other than that I guess I see your point that he hasn't done anything...........

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 01:12 PM
Except for bringing you two Superbowls and dumping two coaches who weren't cutting it (Shanahan and McD) and helping put a new team together that is doing better than expected. But other than that I guess I see your point that he hasn't done anything...........

He didn't bring me anything. He hasn't "helped" to do anything with regard to this current team, other than saddle it with a roster 25m below the cap. We're winning because Tebow and VM (and the rest of the D) are willing us to victory. I wish he would get lost, already. I'd rather have Bob as our owner. At least he'd be more responsible and alot more respectable.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 01:18 PM
He didn't bring me anything. He hasn't "helped" to do anything with regard to this current team, other than saddle it with a roster 25m below the cap. We're winning because Tebow and VM (and the rest of the D) are willing us to victory. I wish he would get lost, already. I'd rather have Bob as our owner. At least he'd be more responsible and alot more respectable.

So you don't enjoy the past because of the perceived future? Sad way to live. That is your choice and you are entitled to it of course.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 01:20 PM
So you don't enjoy the past because of the perceived future? Sad way to live

I do enjoy the past but I also know who were the most important contributors to the past success.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 01:23 PM
I do enjoy the past but I also know who were the most important contributors to the past success.

Yep Bowlen, started with him. Good point

Vine
11-20-2011, 01:24 PM
Zimmerman, Stinky, Nalen, Sharpe, Elway, Davis, R. Smith, Eddie Mac, Romo, Neil Smith, Atwater, T Davis, H. Griffith just off the top of my head. That's like 6-7 potential HOFer he had going at one time. Was shanny a wizard, or was he a good coach with unbelievable players? Still he built the team and got us our ring. But looking back I think know we understand how talented that team really was.

I still think those Superbowl teams could hang with any team that has won Superbowl since.

And every Super Bowl team before then as well.

The '98 Broncos have got to be considered one of the all-time top 3 offenses in NFL history. Mid 90's Cowboys and late 80's 49ers the other two.

Pseudofool
11-20-2011, 02:53 PM
played pretty well,Ok, you're walking it back. Totally fine to love the guy, but he wasn't 'great' as in 'greatness', right? (Given your standard of 'great', we'd have a pretty crowded room of great players). He certainly had the skill set to be that way, but it didn't come into fruition here. (That probowl was only after another QB got hurt right? or do I have that wrong?)

Gort
11-20-2011, 02:55 PM
And every Super Bowl team before then as well.

The '98 Broncos have got to be considered one of the all-time top 3 offenses in NFL history. Mid 90's Cowboys and late 80's 49ers the other two.

you're missing the early 80's Chargers, or were you not around for that?

the most amazing offensive NFL game i've ever seen was the Miami/Sandy Eggo playoff game in January 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epic_in_Miami

TDmvp
11-20-2011, 03:24 PM
you're missing the early 80's Chargers, or were you not around for that?

the most amazing offensive NFL game i've ever seen was the Miami/Sandy Eggo playoff game in January 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epic_in_Miami

WIJG That Chargers team never won it all and this convo was has pretty much been about SB teams...

That Chargers team wasn't as great as some make it out to be.

Armchair Bronco
11-20-2011, 03:29 PM
So let me get this straight ...

You was calling for Shanny's head a year after the most wins the team ever head , and back to back Super Bowls . During a bad season I give you in which you lose your franchise HOF Qb to retirement and the best rb in the league to injury ?..


You're brilliant.

I actually wanted him to go during the 1999 preseason. By then, it was apparent to me that he had lost his "touch".

Consider what he did as his first move after Elway retired: he signed Free Agent Dale "Cancer" Carter! Are you kidding me? Carter was universally despised by Broncos players, and it was clear that Carter had a substance abuse problem. Shanny thought that by sheer force of will, he could overcome these obvious issues. Well, it didn't work, and I predicted as much on the day that the FA signing was announced.

Then, still in the preseason, he publicly humiliated Bubby Brister and announced that this veteran player would be benched in favor of Brian "Teacher's Pet" Griese. Are you kidding me? If anyone earned the starting job based on past & current performance, it was Brister. He was our best shot at Threepeating, and Shanny flushed it down the crapper.

1999 was also the year Shanny was planning to trade Shannon Sharpe to Green Bay until Sharpe got injured. Are you kidding me?

So, yeah: by 1999 I'd figured out that Shanny was trying to prove how smart he was and that he could win without Elway. Well, it didn't work and it hasn't worked. And that was 12 years ago, my friend.

houghtam
11-20-2011, 03:31 PM
So let me get this straight ...

You was calling for Shanny's head a year after the most wins the team ever head , and back to back Super Bowls . During a bad season I give you in which you lose your franchise HOF Qb to retirement and the best rb in the league to injury ?..


You're brilliant.

Join date: Nov 2011

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

(also he's completely disappeared from this thread after that joke of a statement)

I was ready for Shanahan to go when he got fired. I think years of mediocrity sandwiching an AFC championship game where IMO we far outplayed our potential signaled it was time to go.

Armchair Bronco
11-20-2011, 03:33 PM
Join date: Nov 2011

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

(also he's completely disappeared from this thread after that joke of a statement)

I was ready for Shanahan to go when he got fired. I think years of mediocrity sandwiching an AFC championship game where IMO we far outplayed our potential signaled it was time to go.

See post above, numbskull.

houghtam
11-20-2011, 03:38 PM
I actually wanted him to go during the 1999 preseason. By then, it was apparent to me that he had lost his "touch".

Consider what he did as his first move after Elway retired: he signed Free Agent Dale "Cancer" Carter! Are you kidding me? Carter was universally despised by Broncos players, and it was clear that Carter had a substance abuse problem. Shanny thought that by sheer force of will, he could overcome these obvious issues. Well, it didn't work, and I predicted as much on the day that the FA signing was announced.

Then, still in the preseason, he publicly humiliated Bubby Brister and announced that this veteran player would be benched in favor of Brian "Teacher's Pet" Griese. Are you kidding me? If anyone earned the starting job based on past & current performance, it was Brister. He was our best shot at Threepeating, and Shanny flushed it down the crapper.

1999 was also the year Shanny was planning to trade Shannon Sharpe to Green Bay until Sharpe got injured. Are you kidding me?

So, yeah: by 1999 I'd figured out that Shanny was trying to prove how smart he was and that he could win without Elway. Well, it didn't work and it hasn't worked. And that was 12 years ago, my friend.

You can post all the hindsight you want there, chief. It doesn't make you look like any less of a tool for saying you wanted to fire a coach months after winning his second Super Bowl in as many years.

TDmvp
11-20-2011, 03:38 PM
You can post all the hindsight you want there, chief. It doesn't make you look like any less of a tool for saying you wanted to fire a coach months after winning his second Super Bowl in as many years.

/agree ...

Vine
11-20-2011, 03:53 PM
you're missing the early 80's Chargers, or were you not around for that?

the most amazing offensive NFL game i've ever seen was the Miami/Sandy Eggo playoff game in January 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epic_in_Miami

I am vagely aware of the early 80's Chargers. Maybe I overlooked them (rightfully or not) because they never won a Super Bowl.

Armchair Bronco
11-20-2011, 03:53 PM
You can post all the hindsight you want there, chief. It doesn't make you look like any less of a tool for saying you wanted to fire a coach months after winning his second Super Bowl in as many years.

It's not "hindsight" when you make the prediction in 1999. It's easy to say: "By the time he was fired, I was ready for him to go."

OTOH, it takes football genius to diagnose in 1999 that The Good Ship Shannyham was foundering.

Shananahan
11-20-2011, 04:41 PM
This guy's too good to be real.

houghtam
11-20-2011, 04:45 PM
This guy's too good to be real.

Call him "old school".

LOL

Armchair Bronco
11-20-2011, 04:54 PM
Old School FTW!