Tebow and faith

[Vine]

I was listening to KOA last night on the way home from work and this caller was allowed to speak non-stop for 3 whole minutes going on and on about how we, Broncos fans, MUST believe in Tebow. He used the word believe at least some 60 times. He kept on saying that a higher power is the reason, and something really special is unfolding week to week and it is all due to the higher power and we must believe.

I am thinking, "please KOA, cut this call", it is okay to talk about faith, but to allow this blathering idiot go on for so long, was just irritating.

Also, whenever Tebow himself "Thanks the Lord in Savior" after his performances, I cringe. Any athlete who believes in higher faith is going to pray, but why should the Lord take an extra interest in Tebow, than any of his opponents who are making the same prayers???

I am agnostic. I have supported Tebow from the start, wanted him to be the opening day starter, and I have believed in Tebow from day one. I love Tebow as a player, because of his determination, his skills, and because I fully believe he can improve his accuracy enough to be a successful NFL qb. But not because of his faith. It don't bother me for any player to make personal prayers, but to praise God in public makes me question why God should take a personal interest in Tebow moreso than his opponents who make the same prayers.

[KO5K]

Who gives a ****?

Enjoy the win.

[DarkHorse30]

One nation, under God (that's big G, my friend), indivisible with LIBERTY and justice for all.

I'm going to exercise my free speech and call you a dork. If you're agnostic, why do you care what anyone believes? You must be a democrat, and think that if somebody doesn't think the same way you do, they are a hater and probably deserve jail....but MOST importantly they should KEEP QUIET about their faith and everything else.

[Jay3]

but why should the Lord take an extra interest in Tebow, than any of his opponents who are making the same prayers???

I don't know, what do you think God is like?

[schaaf]

I don't believe he believes he is thanking god for his performance in that game but more so thanking God for the chance to be in a position to do the things he's doing... I see nothing wrong with it

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I was listening to KOA last night on the way home from work and this caller was allowed to speak non-stop for 3 whole minutes going on and on about how we, Broncos fans, MUST believe in Tebow. He used the word believe at least some 60 times. He kept on saying that a higher power is the reason, and something really special is unfolding week to week and it is all due to the higher power and we must believe.

I am thinking, "please KOA, cut this call", it is okay to talk about faith, but to allow this blathering idiot go on for so long, was just irritating.

Also, whenever Tebow himself "Thanks the Lord in Savior" after his performances, I cringe. Any athlete who believes in higher faith is going to pray, but why should the Lord take an extra interest in Tebow, than any of his opponents who are making the same prayers???

I am agnostic. I have supported Tebow from the start, wanted him to be the opening day starter, and I have believed in Tebow from day one. I love Tebow as a player, because of his determination, his skills, and because I fully believe he can improve his accuracy enough to be a successful NFL qb. But not because of his faith. It don't bother me for any player to make personal prayers, but to praise God in public makes me question why God should take a personal interest in Tebow moreso than his opponents who make the same prayers.

You watch a league that worships degenerates, deadbeats, and murderers. Do you throw this kind of hissy fit whenever Ray Lewis and Micheal Irvin are celebrated for their football legacy instead of residing in prison where they belong?

[vonqkilla]

Tebow realizes god doesnt care who wins, and him thanking jesus for it because he thinks jesus saved him, fine w/ me. Dawks postgame comments... Go to media section and watch them on denverbroncos.com.

I dont care, and zealots on talk radio dont make tebows jesus claims different.

Fact : Tebows belief make him work hard, and make him a better person. Im all for that.

Those if us educated enough to know dinosaurs were real, the big bang happened, zeus didnt, and the true origins of the bible...

crack open a Dr. Pepper, enjoy the run we are on, and realize through technology and education myths go the way of the...

Dinosaurs.

[Vine]

One nation, under God (that's big G, my friend), indivisible with LIBERTY and justice for all.

I'm going to exercise my free speech and call you a dork. If you're agnostic, why do you care what anyone believes? You must be a democrat, and think that if somebody doesn't think the same way you do, they are a hater and probably deserve jail....but MOST importantly they should KEEP QUIET about their faith and everything else.

Still, it comes across as very arrogant to think that God should take more of an interest in him than any of his praying opponents on the other sideline.

Anyone who accuses someone of being a democrat must be a republican themselves.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

This society cannot wrap it's collective mind around the idea of a genuinely good person. Especially one that wears his faith on his sleeve. It literally drives people crazy. Of all the things in this world to get bent out of shape over... Tebow and his faith aren't one of them.

[Vine]

I don't believe he believes he is thanking god for his performance in that game but more so thanking God for the chance to be in a position to do the things he's doing... I see nothing wrong with it

Ok, so why should it be God be the reason that some have more natural ability than others?

It seems to me that evolution be that reason, not God.

[Vine]

You watch a league that worships degenerates, deadbeats, and murderers. Do you throw this kind of hissy fit whenever Ray Lewis and Micheal Irvin are celebrated for their football legacy instead of residing in prison where they belong?

I despise any type of taunting whatsoever. When Andre Goodman had his pick six, I remember his idiotic taunting moreso than the actual play.

[Vine]

Fact : Tebows belief make him work hard, and make him a better person. Im all for that.




I'm 100% all for this too. I don't discourage others from believing in a faith or higher power if they so choose.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'm 100% all for this too. I don't discourage others from believing in a faith or higher power if they so choose.

Just as long as they keep their beliefs in the closet, right?

[Jekyll15Hyde]

You watch a league that worships degenerates, deadbeats, and murderers. Do you throw this kind of hissy fit whenever Ray Lewis and Micheal Irvin are celebrated for their football legacy instead of residing in prison where they belong?

I am bothered when I see either of them, particularly Lewis who IMO should be in jail for murder. When the league celebrates him (commercials, interviews), I get exceptionally mad. I also root against the other deadbeats but am conflicted when they wear orange & blue which unfortunately happens. I hope for wins without them scoring.

That being said, I always laugh at the lunacy of players thanking god/jesus for enabling their victory. Used to bother me more but I now I laugh at it since sooo many players do it. Tim will be Tim and since he is at top of overtness (see eyeblack, pro-life SB commercial, missions), I find it the most funny of all.

[DarkHorse30]

Still, it comes across as very arrogant to think that God should take more of an interest in him than any of his praying opponents on the other sideline.

Anyone who accuses someone of being a democrat must be a republican themselves.

Thank you, vine.

Do you think that I THINK you take MORE of an interest in ME because I said "thank you"? If you are interested I could tell you a bit about believing and worshipping God (which is what Tim is doing), but than I don't really think you are the least bit interested.

And yes, I am a very long-suffering republican that is laughing at the occupiers that have no clue what they are even doing.....except being a useful idiot for Obama's failed presidency. Laughable that he endorses them WHILE fleecing wall street just like every politician does. The difference is that he lies about it, and expects no one to pay attention.

I would join the throng to "Occupy: the White House" but there is already a worthless community organizer there already. Next - "Occupy: Congress"

[barryr]

What is funny is some around here wanted Jim Haubaugh as coach, yet I remember when he was QB of the Colts and they made a surprising run to get to the AFC Championship game to only lose a close one at Pittsburgh and the anti-Christians irate when Haubaugh kept thanking Jesus and God after wins that year. Athiests find God somethinh more to fear than pedophiles living near schools.

[cutthemdown]

You're and idiot Vine stop making threads.

[Vine]

Just as long as they keep their beliefs in the closet, right?

I don't mind that Tebow makes his beliefs publicly known, but I think he goes too far with it.

Still, I am ecstatic he is qb of the Broncos, and fully believe he can be a successful NFL qb, and wish for more than anything to prove his haters wrong.

[Vine]

You're and idiot Vine stop making threads.

So, you are communist?

[SpringStein]

This society cannot wrap it's collective mind around the idea of a genuinely good person. Especially one that wears his faith on his sleeve. It literally drives people crazy. Of all the things in this world to get bent out of shape over... Tebow and his faith aren't one of them.

Great article I saw yesterday that ties into this comment:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-why-the-heck-do-we-hate-him-110211

[cutthemdown]

If people don't like the religious aspect of Tebow maybe you should go root for a different team? Just trying to think how you could get over this problem and since Tebow not going to change it's all I could come up with. Lot's of other teams with qbs that don't care about doing right that you could latch on to. Maybe the Eagles and Vick? Or Roth in Pitt? Because Tebow is not going to stop thanking the lord, he truly believes that is where his power comes from.

[cutthemdown]

So, you are communist?

No I am a Broncos fan and people like you burn me out with your crappy football takes and your stupid threads.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

We've had two of the most prolific dead beat fathers to ever play the game become starting Bronco tailbacks in Travis Henry and Willis McGahee. Has there been a tiny fraction of comparable hand-wringing over these dirtbags, compared to Tebow's faith?

[ColoradoDarin]

but why should the Lord take an extra interest in Tebow, than any of his opponents who are making the same prayers

This is a misunderstanding of Tebow's faith.

Did you catch the after game interview on NFLN? He talks about it. Go watch and you'll see.

[barryr]

This society cannot wrap it's collective mind around the idea of a genuinely good person. Especially one that wears his faith on his sleeve. It literally drives people crazy. Of all the things in this world to get bent out of shape over... Tebow and his faith aren't one of them.

Seems people that do not like Tebow for his beliefs have more respect for players that are jerks as teammates and do not come to play every game and only care for themselves. There have been threads started about people wanting the Broncos to get such high quality people such as Terrell Owens and Haynesworth. They of course do not talk much about God, so they are more acceptable to some people than a guy like Tebow. Pretty warped.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Great article I saw yesterday that ties into this comment:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-why-the-heck-do-we-hate-him-110211

Great read. Thanks.

[Vine]

No I am a Broncos fan and people like you burn me out with your crappy football takes and your stupid threads.

Well you are quite awesome in carrying on a rational discussion.

[Rolandftw]

Just as long as they keep their beliefs in the closet, right?

It's what Jesus says dude.... at least as far as the Tebowing goes.

Seriously, I don't see why it's a big deal though. Been going on for a long time, and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

[cutthemdown]

Well you are quite awesome in carrying on a rational discussion.

God bless you

[Vine]

Maybe I have not come across this way, but I love the fact that Tebow is an outstanding citizen who always does good moral things and is a role model. I love all that, and would much rather have his types of the team than Terrell Owens, Micheal Vick, etc.

But if he, or anyone thinks that they are more of a moral person because I don't pray like they do, then we have a problem.

[Rolandftw]

But if he, or anyone thinks that they are more of a moral person because I don't pray like they do, then we have a problem.

lol. And what would the solution be to this said problem?

[Vine]

lol. And what would the solution be to this said problem?

Well, I guess ignore it and continue to wish him success!

[barryr]

Maybe I have not come across this way, but I love the fact that Tebow is an outstanding citizen who always does good moral things and is a role model. I love all that, and would much rather have his types of the team than Terrell Owens, Micheal Vick, etc.

But if he, or anyone thinks that they are more of a moral person because I don't pray like they do, then we have a problem.

There is nothing wrong with Tebow expressing his love for God, especially when he isn't going around telling people what they should do or not do, which is exactly what his detractors are doing.

[cutthemdown]

I loved how after the interview on nfl network and all those clowns had given Tebow questions like what will you do when you start to lose, or what do the WR say when your passes stink and they can't catch them?, he shook all their hands with both hands, looked each in the eye, and said god bless you to each one. Tebow can not be fazed, he can not be upset by what people say. The only way to hurt him is to beat him.

Listen I am not sure if their is a god or not but I am sure that religion gives people faith that is much stronger then non believers. I go to church because I meet great people and learn lessons that make me a better more generous person. It's not how you get their, it's getting their.

I just don't see how making arguing the non believer side can being anyone joy or happiness.

[cutthemdown]

Maybe I have not come across this way, but I love the fact that Tebow is an outstanding citizen who always does good moral things and is a role model. I love all that, and would much rather have his types of the team than Terrell Owens, Micheal Vick, etc.

But if he, or anyone thinks that they are more of a moral person because I don't pray like they do, then we have a problem.

No you have a problem.

[Vine]

Maybe I have not come across this way, but I love the fact that Tebow is an outstanding citizen who always does good moral things and is a role model. I love all that, and would much rather have his types of the team than Terrell Owens, Micheal Vick, etc.

But if he, or anyone thinks that they are more of a moral person because I don't pray like they do, then we have a problem.

No you have a problem.

And what exactly would that problem be?

[barryr]

I loved how after the interview on nfl network and all those clowns had given Tebow questions like what will you do when you start to lose, or what do the WR say when your passes stink and they can't catch them?, he shook all their hands with both hands, looked each in the eye, and said god bless you to each one. Tebow can not be fazed, he can not be upset by what people say. The only way to hurt him is to beat him.

Listen I am not sure if their is a god or not but I am sure that religion gives people faith that is much stronger then non believers. I go to church because I meet great people and learn lessons that make me a better more generous person. It's not how you get their, it's getting their.

I just don't see how making arguing the non believer side can being anyone joy or happiness.

So true, look at the venom they spew, yet say they are as happy as people that believe in God. It sure doesn't look like it. Tebow does not tell people what they should do, so why do people think they have the right to tell him what to do?

[Spider]

This society cannot wrap it's collective mind around the idea of a genuinely good person. Especially one that wears his faith on his sleeve. It literally drives people crazy. Of all the things in this world to get bent out of shape over... Tebow and his faith aren't one of them.

LOL ..... wow . No people like a good person , they just dont want a Jim Jones , Marshall Applewhite , Pedophiles , Fred Phelps , Jim Bakker , Ted Haggard , Jeremiah Wright,Jerry Fallwell ( 9-11 was the wrath of god ) and so on ...... A religious fanatic is a fanatic no matter the religion ..... I dont care either way what Tebow believes , as long as he gives 110% on the field

[cutthemdown]

LOL ..... wow . No people like a good person , they just dont want a Jim Jones , Marshall Applewhite , Pedophiles , Fred Phelps , Jim Bakker , Ted Haggard , Jeremiah Wright,Jerry Fallwell ( 9-11 was the wrath of god ) and so on ...... A religious fanatic is a fanatic no matter the religion ..... I dont care either way what Tebow believes , as long as he gives 110% on the field

You are so right sometimes. People don't trust people who seem too good to be true and we have seen that religious icons are often fakes just out for the money they can make. The stories at the Crystal Cathederal and how the whole Schuler family just stole the money for yrs is a great example.

Our QB could be wiccan and worship trees and plants and if he treated other well, had the teammates support and won football games I would love him. I would joke around and say all praise the giant oaks and willows of which we gain our strength! In hallows eve name we praise thee!.

[Vine]

LOL ..... wow . No people like a good person , they just dont want a Jim Jones , Marshall Applewhite , Pedophiles , Fred Phelps , Jim Bakker , Ted Haggard , Jeremiah Wright,Jerry Fallwell ( 9-11 was the wrath of god ) and so on ...... A religious fanatic is a fanatic no matter the religion ..... I dont care either way what Tebow believes , as long as he gives 110% on the field

This is how I feel.

[cutthemdown]

This is how I feel.

Then if you don't care about the religious aspect, only how he plays, why would you bother to start a thread about the religious aspect. The logic is so flawed it shows me you must be really young and ignorant yet of even your own feeling and beliefs. I'm guessing what under 30 still? Maybe not you could just be an idiot or a late bloomer.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

LOL ..... wow . No people like a good person , they just dont want a Jim Jones , Marshall Applewhite , Pedophiles , Fred Phelps , Jim Bakker , Ted Haggard , Jeremiah Wright,Jerry Fallwell ( 9-11 was the wrath of god ) and so on ...... A religious fanatic is a fanatic no matter the religion ..... I dont care either way what Tebow believes , as long as he gives 110% on the field

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[briane]

I don't believe he believes he is thanking god for his performance in that game but more so thanking God for the chance to be in a position to do the things he's doing... I see nothing wrong with it

^ This

[SouthStndJunkie]

I'm not a religious person at all, but I've got no issues with Tim Tebow expressing his faith.

I ultimately judge people on if they are a good person and treat others well....and Tebow is the real deal in that department.

I could care less if someone believes the Easter Bunny is our heavenly father if they are a genuinely good person.

[Vine]

Then if you don't care about the religious aspect, only how he plays, why would you bother to start a thread about the religious aspect. The logic is so flawed it shows me you must be really young and ignorant yet of even your own feeling and beliefs. I'm guessing what under 30 still? Maybe not you could just be an idiot or a late bloomer.

And you are quite judgemental yourself.

[cutthemdown]

And you are quite judgemental yourself.

Just answer the question. If you don't care what is your logic behind starting a threat questioning the faith aspect of Tebow?

[Spider]

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well I could have listed David Koresh , felt that was piling on , But you know I am right , the only difference in a christian and a muslim is the prophet they worship , they still worship the same god ....

[cutthemdown]

[QUOTE=cutthemdown;3380574]

And what exactly would that problem be?

That every time you watch your favorite football team play you will have to get disturbed by Tebow thanking the Lord. Inside you will feel like Tebow shoving it down your throat and I guess you choke on that.

That is your problem though not the Broncos, Tebow's, or anyone on the Mane.

[enjolras]

One nation, under God (that's big G, my friend)

Since 1954!

[sinuous sausage]

I don't think Tebow is thanking a god for any sort of victory. I have a suspicion he's just thanking his god the game exists (which we all can appreciate), that he has the ability to play it (though that's still apparently up for debate), and for protection of the other players he barrels over on his way to another DENVER BRONCOS TOUCHDOWN (which, again, I think we can all appreciate). Your reaction to people talking about stuff you don't like hearing reflects more on you than anything else. Get familiar with it, know what you believe, and enjoy what we all can share: such as the current win streak we're cooking up.

[sinuous sausage]

well I could have listed David Koresh , felt that was piling on , But you know I am right , the only difference in a christian and a muslim is the prophet they worship , they still worship the same god ....

That's just ignorance, dude.

[sinuous sausage]

Maybe I have not come across this way, but I love the fact that Tebow is an outstanding citizen who always does good moral things and is a role model. I love all that, and would much rather have his types of the team than Terrell Owens, Micheal Vick, etc.

But if he, or anyone thinks that they are more of a moral person because I don't pray like they do, then we have a problem.

Form your own philosophy then prepare to be berated for it. It takes stones to believe something and talk about it.

[Spider]

That's just ignorance, dude.

:rofl: would ask why , but I would end up regretting it , But what I stated was truth ..... Sometimes it is hard to look at your religion and see how full of Shiat it is , or how similar it is with others .......

[Jetmeck]

Thank you, vine.

Do you think that I THINK you take MORE of an interest in ME because I said "thank you"? If you are interested I could tell you a bit about believing and worshipping God (which is what Tim is doing), but than I don't really think you are the least bit interested.

And yes, I am a very long-suffering republican that is laughing at the occupiers that have no clue what they are even doing.....except being a useful idiot for Obama's failed presidency. Laughable that he endorses them WHILE fleecing wall street just like every politician does. The difference is that he lies about it, and expects no one to pay attention.

I would join the throng to "Occupy: the White House" but there is already a worthless community organizer there already. Next - "Occupy: Congress"


Your funny, ignorant but funny.

As far as religion goes I could care less what the TEBOW believes
but constantly pushing it at others is wrong but then again we are a free country so WTF. Kinda like when Jehovah Witness come to the door, just wrong.

As far as politics maybe you believe we should go back to completely catering the rich, powerful and corps ? Damn Obama wanting to spend money on all of us versus giving tax breaks to the rich and corporations which would damn near balance the budget by themselves.

Religion needs to stay out of politics because the religious nutz put Bush in twice because Clinton was a BAD man. Look at what happened to the country under that idiot. The religious nutz will stay home next year because they are gonna get a MORMON and we know they won't vote for him and the rest of the repubs are a three ring circus. So the vote will be left to the smart people who vote with their wallet and not their religion and so called values.

Get used to Obama dude................Tebow can pray to anything he wants as long as he plays the game well and same for politicians as long as they do whats best for the MAJORITY of the people , not just the rich and corps.

[sinuous sausage]

:rofl: would ask why , but I would end up regretting it , But what I stated was truth ..... Sometimes it is hard to look at your religion and see how full of Shiat it is , or how similar it is with others .......

Yeah, you'd most likely regret having someone ask you to use some critical thinking skills. Even the most cursory examination of the reasons why adherents of Christianity or Islam worship their respective deity totally blows up your misguided statement, wherefore I then concluded you hadn't done such an examination, and called you ignorant on the topic. Not to mention, if you are an atheist or agnostic, the very real alternative to a monotheistic God or polytheistic gods is nothing, and I don't see how people can worship the same type of nothing. You're misguided going and coming in your statement.

As for the last snippet, I invoke the ever-wise Chesterton:

"It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it."

[sinuous sausage]

Your funny, ignorant but funny.

As far as religion goes I could care less what the TEBOW believes
but constantly pushing it at others is wrong but then again we are a free country so WTF. Kinda like when Jehovah Witness come to the door, just wrong.

As far as politics maybe you believe we should go back to completely catering the rich, powerful and corps ? Damn Obama wanting to spend money on all of us versus giving tax breaks to the rich and corporations which would damn near balance the budget by themselves.

Religion needs to stay out of politics because the religious nutz put Bush in twice because Clinton was a BAD man. Look at what happened to the country under that idiot. The religious nutz will stay home next year because they are gonna get a MORMON and we know they won't vote for him and the rest of the repubs are a three ring circus. So the vote will be left to the smart people who vote with their wallet and not their religion and so called values.

Get used to Obama dude................Tebow can pray to anything he wants as long as he plays the game well and same for politicians as long as they do whats best for the MAJORITY of the people , not just the rich and corps.

*You're funny.

isn't Obama a pretty religious gay?

[barryr]

Somehow I think if Tebow came out and stated he supported Obama, that his detractors would suddenly have no problem with him since I believe most of them are Got hating athiests.

[DarkHorse30]

Get used to Obama dude................Tebow can pray to anything he wants as long as he plays the game well and same for politicians as long as they do whats best for the MAJORITY of the people , not just the rich and corps.

I would put politics aside here, but you called me out so I will respond.

What has Obama done to improve this country? Apologize for it to every nation he visits? Start a healthcare boondoggle that the MAJORITY doesn't want that he rammed through congress thanks to idiots like THE RICHEST CONGRESSMAN/Billionaire Nancy Pelosi (who vows to do to daycare what they did to healthcare, ie: put it under gov't power http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/18/pelosi-proclaims-her-goal-to-do-for-childcare-what-we-did-for-healthcare/) and the accidental election of Al Franken by felons and dead voters.

Seriously, Jetmeck....what are the occupiers protesting? Success? Obama has been paid off from the pockets of Wall street, WHILE supporting the protesters, just like his buddy Immelt (who bHO made his jobs chief) http://mayrantandrave.com/2011/10/19/obamas-useful-idiot-ges-jeff-immelt-supports-occupy-wall-street/. And these paid off, rich ELITISTS are preaching that the difference between the rich and poor is just too large (nevermind that the rich work there asses off to get there, while the welfare state sits back and complains.....about not being rich enough)......so let's all protest and get us re-elected so our economy can continue to be in the gutter, we fix NOTHING, and we go broke. Hallelujah!

Speaking of ignorant, how about stupid? How stupid do his supporters have to be to ignore his consistent failings? Speaking of stupid....

It's the economy, stupid. James Carville said it best. Obama OWNS this economy which he has NOT improved one bit. It's worse. He said unemployment wouldn't get over 8% and now it's nearly 10%. Another lie? Or is everything blamed on everybody else? I guess that's the beauty of being a community organizer that never had a job. Nobody expects anything from you.

[Vine]

Just answer the question. If you don't care what is your logic behind starting a threat questioning the faith aspect of Tebow?

Well, really, one of the main purposes of starting this thread was to get other people viewpoints of this aspect of Tebow. And I found out. Thanks for participating.

[Spider]

Yeah, you'd most likely regret have someone ask you to use some critical thinking skills. Even the most cursory examination of the reasons why adherents to Christianity or Islam worship their respective deity totally blows up your misguided statement, wherefore I the concluded you hadn't done such an examination, and called you ignorant on the topic. Not to mention, if you are an atheist or agnostic, the very real alternative to a monotheistic God or polytheistic gods is nothing, and I don't see how people can worship the same type of nothing. You're misguided going and coming in your statement.

As for the last snippet, I invoke the ever-wise Chesterton:

"It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it."

:rofl: if you say so

[Spider]

Yeah, you'd most likely regret have someone ask you to use some critical thinking skills. Even the most cursory examination of the reasons why adherents to Christianity or Islam worship their respective deity totally blows up your misguided statement, wherefore I the concluded you hadn't done such an examination, and called you ignorant on the topic. Not to mention, if you are an atheist or agnostic, the very real alternative to a monotheistic God or polytheistic gods is nothing, and I don't see how people can worship the same type of nothing. You're misguided going and coming in your statement.

As for the last snippet, I invoke the ever-wise Chesterton:

"It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it."

:rofl: if you say so

[Vine]

[QUOTE=Vine;3380576]

That every time you watch your favorite football team play you will have to get disturbed by Tebow thanking the Lord. Inside you will feel like Tebow shoving it down your throat and I guess you choke on that.

That is your problem though not the Broncos, Tebow's, or anyone on the Mane.

Well, your wrong. I don't view it as a problem. Honestly, I hope Tebow thanks the Lord over and over the rest of the season and hopefully any postseason. That could only mean good things.

[Vine]

Somehow I think if Tebow came out and stated he supported Obama, that his detractors would suddenly have no problem with him since I believe most of them are Got hating athiests.

I honestly believe there is a better chance that Tebow is a more likely a democrat than a republican. Anyone who puts others first and would be willing to help someone else before him/herself fits more of a liberal philosophy.

[broncocalijohn]

I don't believe he believes he is thanking god for his performance in that game but more so thanking God for the chance to be in a position to do the things he's doing... I see nothing wrong with it

exactly. I only have problems with players that specify that Jesus/God gave them the win. Tebow uses his religion for his strength and guidance. I think hard work is what gets athletes the upper edge. Strengths of spirituality can be a huge factor in a player's ability to press on. But, the caller should have been cut off. Was he calling from Rural Florida?

[Rolandftw]

I honestly believe there is a better chance that Tebow is a more likely a democrat than a republican. Anyone who puts others first and would be willing to help someone else before him/herself fits more of a liberal philosophy.

That's not really true at all.

[Falconer]

I honestly believe there is a better chance that Tebow is a more likely a democrat than a republican. Anyone who puts others first and would be willing to help someone else before him/herself fits more of a liberal philosophy.

I think you are mixing up religious values with political values. While many people try to live by putting others first, they do not believe the government should be the mechanism for this.

I would also like to echo the fact of many other posters on here that have said Tebow is not forcing his religion on anybody else. He also has never said or implied his morals are superior to anyone else's.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Great article I saw yesterday that ties into this comment:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-why-the-heck-do-we-hate-him-110211

I have to say of all the blogs I've read about Tebow and his faith this one is the best yet. Thanks for sharing it; I plan to share it with others. The wife and I give thanks everyday when we wake up and before every meal whether we are at home or eating out. We don’t flaunt nor try to shame or embarrass anyone in the process it’s about surrendering to something that is greater than us.

The way I look at it is if someone is taking prayer personal they must take other things personal and therefore have some sort of guilt, shame or confusion about what they believe. I’ve always liked the motto: “What you think of me is none of my business.” It applies here because if you’re worried about me you’ve just gone outside of your own hula-hoop and involved yourself in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I have respect for non-believers; I don't shame any of the friends that I have in my circle right now because they don't believe. I live in one of the most liberal cities in America that supports every liberal cause imaginable, whether it’s gay marriage, drug legalization, going green, socialism or fill in the blank. But when it comes to faith I don’t judge anyone and keep my opinions to myself unless I’m engaged openly and honestly among friends.

On my facebook page I’ll get into politics because that’s something that’s important to openly debate but I never bash on someone who doesn’t believe in what I do from a faith prospective ever because that is the most personal choice of all and it’s the basis of which this country was founded.

The same should apply to Tebow, whether you believe what he is doing is genuine or not he should have the right to give thanks in any manner he wants. It seems to me the people who are most offended tend to be people who claim to be for free speech become opposed to it as soon as it’s something of which they disagree. Whether you’re Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic or believe in the moon bat god or no God at all hypocrisy is the worst of all wrongs.

Just leave Tebow alone, what he believes is none of my business and is none of yours. If he makes you uncomfortable, then that’s your problem not his. I’m done here.

[Vine]

I think you are mixing up religious values with political values. While many people try to live by putting others first, they do not believe the government should be the mechanism for this.

I would also like to echo the fact of many other posters on here that have said Tebow is not forcing his religion on anybody else. He also has never said or implied his morals are superior to anyone else's.

Good reply. I don't mean to accuse Tebow of saying that his morals are superior that of someone else's who don't share his beliefs. But there are plenty of people in this world who will claim Tebow's morals are superior just because of his beliefs.

[DBruleU]

I honestly believe there is a better chance that Tebow is a more likely a democrat than a republican. Anyone who puts others first and would be willing to help someone else before him/herself fits more of a liberal philosophy.

You're confusing whether people give more on their own accord, or whether you agree with the Government taking your money and redistributing it to where THEY think fits best, not you personally.

Read http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

[Vine]

I have to say of all the blogs I've read about Tebow and his faith this one is the best yet. Thanks for sharing it; I plan to share it with others. The wife and I give thanks everyday when we wake up and before every meal whether we are at home or eating out. We don’t flaunt nor try to shame or embarrass anyone in the process it’s about surrendering to something that is greater than us.

The way I look at it is if someone is taking prayer personal they must take other things personal and therefore have some sort of guilt, shame or confusion about what they believe. I’ve always liked the motto: “What you think of me is none of my business.” It applies here because if you’re worried about me you’ve just gone outside of your own hula-hoop and involved yourself in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I have respect for non-believers; I don't shame any of the friends that I have in my circle right now because they don't believe. I live in one of the most liberal cities in America that supports every liberal cause imaginable, whether it’s gay marriage, drug legalization, going green, socialism or fill in the blank. But when it comes to faith I don’t judge anyone and keep my opinions to myself unless I’m engaged openly and honestly among friends.

On my facebook page I’ll get into politics because that’s something that’s important to openly debate but I never bash on someone who doesn’t believe in what I do from a faith prospective ever because that is the most personal choice of all and it’s the basis of which this country was founded.

The same should apply to Tebow, whether you believe what he is doing is genuine or not he should have the right to give thanks in any manner he wants. It seems to me the people who are most offended tend to be people who claim to be for free speech become opposed to it as soon as it’s something of which they disagree. Whether you’re Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic or believe in the moon bat god or no God at all hypocrisy is the worst of all wrongs.

Just leave Tebow alone, what he believes is none of my business and is none of yours. If he makes you uncomfortable, then that’s your problem not his. I’m done here.

I agreed with everything you posted all the way up to the last little paragraph. What Tebow does believe kind of does become other people's business because he does it publicly.

[bowtown]

I have to say of all the blogs I've read about Tebow and his faith this one is the best yet. Thanks for sharing it; I plan to share it with others. The wife and I give thanks everyday when we wake up and before every meal whether we are at home or eating out. We don’t flaunt nor try to shame or embarrass anyone in the process it’s about surrendering to something that is greater than us.

The way I look at it is if someone is taking prayer personal they must take other things personal and therefore have some sort of guilt, shame or confusion about what they believe. I’ve always liked the motto: “What you think of me is none of my business.” It applies here because if you’re worried about me you’ve just gone outside of your own hula-hoop and involved yourself in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I have respect for non-believers; I don't shame any of the friends that I have in my circle right now because they don't believe. I live in one of the most liberal cities in America that supports every liberal cause imaginable, whether it’s gay marriage, drug legalization, going green, socialism or fill in the blank. But when it comes to faith I don’t judge anyone and keep my opinions to myself unless I’m engaged openly and honestly among friends.

On my facebook page I’ll get into politics because that’s something that’s important to openly debate but I never bash on someone who doesn’t believe in what I do from a faith prospective ever because that is the most personal choice of all and it’s the basis of which this country was founded.

The same should apply to Tebow, whether you believe what he is doing is genuine or not he should have the right to give thanks in any manner he wants. It seems to me the people who are most offended tend to be people who claim to be for free speech become opposed to it as soon as it’s something of which they disagree. Whether you’re Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic or believe in the moon bat god or no God at all hypocrisy is the worst of all wrongs.

Just leave Tebow alone, what he believes is none of my business and is none of yours. If he makes you uncomfortable, then that’s your problem not his. I’m done here.

But did you know that he tried to kill his mom?

[Jetmeck]

I would put politics aside here, but you called me out so I will respond.

What has Obama done to improve this country? Apologize for it to every nation he visits? Start a healthcare boondoggle that the MAJORITY doesn't want that he rammed through congress thanks to idiots like THE RICHEST CONGRESSMAN/Billionaire Nancy Pelosi (who vows to do to daycare what they did to healthcare, ie: put it under gov't power http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/18/pelosi-proclaims-her-goal-to-do-for-childcare-what-we-did-for-healthcare/) and the accidental election of Al Franken by felons and dead voters.

Seriously, Jetmeck....what are the occupiers protesting? Success? Obama has been paid off from the pockets of Wall street, WHILE supporting the protesters, just like his buddy Immelt (who bHO made his jobs chief) http://mayrantandrave.com/2011/10/19/obamas-useful-idiot-ges-jeff-immelt-supports-occupy-wall-street/. And these paid off, rich ELITISTS are preaching that the difference between the rich and poor is just too large (nevermind that the rich work there asses off to get there, while the welfare state sits back and complains.....about not being rich enough)......so let's all protest and get us re-elected so our economy can continue to be in the gutter, we fix NOTHING, and we go broke. Hallelujah!

Speaking of ignorant, how about stupid? How stupid do his supporters have to be to ignore his consistent failings? Speaking of stupid....

It's the economy, stupid. James Carville said it best. Obama OWNS this economy which he has NOT improved one bit. It's worse. He said unemployment wouldn't get over 8% and now it's nearly 10%. Another lie? Or is everything blamed on everybody else? I guess that's the beauty of being a community organizer that never had a job. Nobody expects anything from you.

Ya know. I know whats right or wrong. The policies in our government have favored rich, power and business for too long while the little guy has been ****ed over. Its time for a level playing field and its gonna take some time to get out from under Bush policies that put us in this hole. Any reasonable person could see this. I'm done. Besides those clowns you call republicans haven't a chance in hell. The little guys have finally pulled their head out and had enough of the BS republicans right in your face protect the rich tax breaks and corporate welfare but tell some old lady I'm sorry your SS or medicare will have to be cut. ENOUGH !

[Br0nc0Buster]

One nation, under God (that's big G, my friend), indivisible with LIBERTY and justice for all.

I'm going to exercise my free speech and call you a dork. If you're agnostic, why do you care what anyone believes? You must be a democrat, and think that if somebody doesn't think the same way you do, they are a hater and probably deserve jail....but MOST importantly they should KEEP QUIET about their faith and everything else.

except it wasnt written that way

anyway who cares about Tebow's faith, if he thinks God intervenes in his football games then I dont care

just want to see him put up some TDs and wins

[vonqkilla]

Jesus was a radical socialist.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Can anyone at this point prove that God doesn't intervene in favor of Tebow? The results seem to prove the opposite.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I agreed with everything you posted all the way up to the last little paragraph. What Tebow does believe kind of does become other people's business because he does it publicly.

Explain? How is Tebow's prayer in public hurting you personally? Do you crawl up in ball, throw bricks at the TV or yell and scream and pull your hair out? I feel sorry for you if this is the kind of thing that hurts you. Is he trying to convert you personally? Has he showed up at your house handing you a pamphlet or speech? Maybe you should heed the advice of some other great comments made on the OM about this topic.

Bronco Militia said on another thread:

“for ****s sakes.....

buy some ear plugs or change the channel”

The best comment I’ve seen yet is by Dr Broncenstein when he said:

“You watch a league that worships degenerates, deadbeats, and murderers. Do you throw this kind of hissy fit whenever Ray Lewis and Michael Irvin are celebrated for their football legacy instead of residing in prison where they belong?”

[gobroncos313]

Tebow realizes god doesnt care who wins, and him thanking jesus for it because he thinks jesus saved him, fine w/ me. Dawks postgame comments... Go to media section and watch them on denverbroncos.com.

I dont care, and zealots on talk radio dont make tebows jesus claims different.

Fact : Tebows belief make him work hard, and make him a better person. Im all for that.

Those if us educated enough to know dinosaurs were real, the big bang happened, zeus didnt, and the true origins of the bible...

crack open a Dr. Pepper, enjoy the run we are on, and realize through technology and education myths go the way of the...

Dinosaurs.

So those of us of faith are not educated and do not believe dinosaurs were real? Really?

You say through education myths go away (I think your talking about indoctrination there). Then why after years and years of the best technology the world has ever produced not proving one thing to be true about Macro-evolution (one species evolving into and entirely different species) do you people hold out faith that it happened?

I just challenge you on this because your description above labels people of faith as ignorant peasants who don't stand up to the level of the educated. Just so you know there are a lot of people who are extremely educated with doctorate degrees in all sorts of fields that are people of faith.

[Vine]

Explain? How is Tebow's prayer in public hurting you personally? Do you crawl up in ball, throw bricks at the TV or yell and scream and pull your hair out? I feel sorry for you if this is the kind of thing that hurts you. Is he trying to convert you personally? Has he showed up at your house handing you a pamphlet or speech? Maybe you should heed the advice of some other great comments made on the OM about this topic.

Bronco Militia said on another thread:

“for ****s sakes.....

buy some ear plugs or change the channel”

The best comment I’ve seen yet is by Dr Broncenstein when he said:

“You watch a league that worships degenerates, deadbeats, and murderers. Do you throw this kind of hissy fit whenever Ray Lewis and Michael Irvin are celebrated for their football legacy instead of residing in prison where they belong?”


WHERE DID I EVER SAY TEBOW'S PUBLIC PRAYING IS HURTING ME PERSONALLY?

[cutthemdown]

I just don't think it is pushing it on people. People ask Tebow where does your drive come from, he answers my faith makes me strong. They say how do you deal with pressure and haters, he says my faith and family keep me grounded and I know that football is not the most important thing etc etc.

If they don't want to know then don't ask. When Tebow starts going into the stands and telling you to be a Christian get back to me lol.

[sinuous sausage]

Jesus was a radical socialist.

I'd say libertarian with a mean altruistic streak.

[broncocalijohn]

So those of us of faith are not educated and do not believe dinosaurs were real? Really?



I think Shaaf believes that dinosaurs are only in the thousands of years and were around when man was here too.

As for Tebow, since it seems he starts every interview with praising Jesus, does he do it when journalist interview him for a piece in the newspaper or magazine? Also, if you happen to see him walking down the street and ask him a question about the game, does he start it off with, "Well first I would like to thank my Savior". The reason I say this is because if he only waits to do it when the cameras are on, then he is doing it for the exposure. There is nothing wrong with it but I believe it comes off as more preaching then something he says at every moment.

[R8R H8R]

This is a misunderstanding of Tebow's faith.

Did you catch the after game interview on NFLN? He talks about it. Go watch and you'll see.

Good Point.

On another point, I think the main reason Tebow is despised is because there isn't a phony bone in his body. As Fox said Friday, he's the real deal and "walks the walk."

Why is this important? Because it shatters the non-believers belief that Christians are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and phonies, and apparently that is a threat to them.

[vonqkilla]

So those of us of faith are not educated and do not believe dinosaurs were real? Really?

You say through education myths go away (I think your talking about indoctrination there). Then why after years and years of the best technology the world has ever produced not proving one thing to be true about Macro-evolution (one species evolving into and entirely different species) do you people hold out faith that it happened?

I just challenge you on this because your description above labels people of faith as ignorant peasants who don't stand up to the level of the educated. Just so you know there are a lot of people who are extremely educated with doctorate degrees in all sorts of fields that are people of faith.

Lmfao, you just answered your own question in paragraph 1 with your perfect display of ignorance in paragraph #2.

Im not really interested in teaching biology in Bronco forum. Cichlid fishes in africa in a few generations evolved into a new species. I guess allosaurs just evaporated and trexs just appeared out of nowhere, and koalas swam to australia after noahs ark, and all new world monkeys have prehensile tails for no reason while old world monkeys dont, and whales never evolved, or sharks of which we find right here in colorado. Neanderthals. DNA mapping proved evolution. Why do human embryos have tails? Why do bird embryos have teeth? Hmmmm....

Technology. Im not wasting another second on this, you proved my pt in paragraph 2.

Classic post. ” get yer govt outta ma medicare” lmfao

[Dedhed]

why should the Lord take an extra interest in Tebow, than any of his opponents who are making the same prayers???Why should you take extra interest in what Tebow says about god?

I am agnostic. I have supported Tebow from the start, wanted him to be the opening day starter, and I have believed in Tebow from day one. I love Tebow as a player, because of his determination, his skills, and because I fully believe he can improve his accuracy enough to be a successful NFL qb. But not because of his faith. It don't bother me for any player to make personal prayers, but to praise God in public makes me question why God should take a personal interest in Tebow moreso than his opponents who make the same prayers.I am agnostic as well which makes it very easy for me not to care when people talk about god. I can't stand religious practice because I don't think it has anything to do with higher power, but I could care less if good people rely on religion to make it through the day.

I think you're overly sensitive.

[DarkHorse30]

Ya know. I know whats right or wrong. The policies in our government have favored rich, power and business for too long while the little guy has been ****ed over. Its time for a level playing field and its gonna take some time to get out from under Bush policies that put us in this hole. Any reasonable person could see this. I'm done. Besides those clowns you call republicans haven't a chance in hell. The little guys have finally pulled their head out and had enough of the BS republicans right in your face protect the rich tax breaks and corporate welfare but tell some old lady I'm sorry your SS or medicare will have to be cut. ENOUGH !

Wow. Sometime take a sabbatical to a country where the gov't has made it "a level playing field" for everyone. And then talk to those people and see how they like having their freedom taken away.

Capitolism is freedom. Work more if you want more. Socialism is NOT freedom. There you live at whatever level the elite gov't thinks you SHOULD live (so that it is, you know....level), while they use your money to live like kings. Research it a little if you're bored.

BTW, I'm sorry for veering a religious thread into politics on a football message board - but it's kind of fun to rattle your cages now and then. Amusing as hell, actually.

[sirhcyennek81]

Jesus was a radical socialist.


Odd. I dont recall Jesus ever saying governments should take from one class of people and give it specifically to another on the basis of lack of economic success.


:Broncos:

[Dedhed]

Capitolism is freedom.

That's a pretty hefty overstatement. Yes, capitalism allows more freedom of expression than socialism or dictatorship, but the definition of freedom is certainly not "capitalism".

[Dedhed]

Odd. I dont recall Jesus ever saying governments should take from one class of people and give it specifically to another on the basis of lack of economic success.


:Broncos:Probably because if he had, the oligarchy at the time would never have allowed it into the bible.

[sirhcyennek81]

Probably because if he had, the oligarchy at the time would never have allowed it into the bible.


Always possible, even if highly unlikely.


:Broncos:

[shaunroach]

So those of us of faith are not educated and do not believe dinosaurs were real? Really?

You say through education myths go away (I think your talking about indoctrination there). Then why after years and years of the best technology the world has ever produced not proving one thing to be true about Macro-evolution (one species evolving into and entirely different species) do you people hold out faith that it happened?

I just challenge you on this because your description above labels people of faith as ignorant peasants who don't stand up to the level of the educated. Just so you know there are a lot of people who are extremely educated with doctorate degrees in all sorts of fields that are people of faith.


Just curious...how can you believe that dinosaurs existed and not believe in macro evolution? Wouldn't that mean that all the species that ever existed were all alive at the same time and species have been gradually going extinct? There is absolutely no evidence for that. Wouldn't that mean that humans and dinosaurs coexisted?

Honestly don't know how you can reconcile the two.

I believe in dinosaurs, evolution, John Elway, and Tebow.

[Dedhed]

Always possible, even if highly unlikely.


:Broncos:

Yeah, you're probably right. The powers at the time wouldn't keep anything detrimental to their reign out of print. That would be dishonest.

[sinuous sausage]

evolution happens. the world is four billion years old. these, kind souls, are the facts, and they have no bearing on God's existence/non-existence.

[sirhcyennek81]

Yeah, you're probably right. The powers at the time wouldn't keep anything detrimental to their reign out of print. That would be dishonest.


I'm sure Jesus came to earth to specifically give an economic and social construct that would have prominence 2,000 years in the future a kudos.

Damn those bible councils for failing to see the honor of the struggle of the bourgoise, and supporting the evil Jewish Capitalists...


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

evolution happens. the world is four billion years old. these, kind souls, are the facts, and they have no bearing in God's existence/non-existence.


Silliness...presenting facts.

;)


:Broncos:

[Dedhed]

I'm sure Jesus came to earth to specifically give an economic and social construct that would have prominence 2,000 years in the future a kudos.

Damn those bible councils for failing to see the honor of the struggle of the bourgoise, and supporting the evil Jewish Capitalists...


:Broncos:

I think you jumped the shark there, skippy.

[Mile High Mojoe]

evolution happens. the world is four billion years old. these, kind souls, are the facts, and they have no bearing in God's existence/non-existence.

The “theory” of evolution is what they call a theory have you forgotten that very important word? Seems to have slipped your mind I think. It is theory that could be true or it could be a theory that could be false or it could even be partially true that’s why they call it a theory. I took some science classes when I went to high school and college and nowhere did I read that evolution was a fact.

As for God or Jesus, or some other form of a Higher Power or intelligent design that too could be considered a theory even mythology I suppose depending on where you come down on your individual belief.

I choose to believe that even if man did evolve from a single cell of slime it wasn’t because we came from star dust or big bangs. IMO that’s science fiction not science fact. Even if you believe we all come from a big bang where, who or how was it created? It’s absolutely impossible for me to believe that some form of Higher Power was not involved in the making of man, earth and the infinite universe.

The very idea that an unproven theory conceived by any human being or group of human beings no matter how brilliant they may be in the field of science can explain the human condition nor all of the miracles that happen in life everyday whether you have the ability to detect them or not.

Yes there are some happy accidents and coincidences in life but in the whole everything happens for a reason and I believe that the Higher Power has a plan for every single living soul on this earth. I consider myself a spiritual person first and not religious although Christianity with all of its flaws makes the most sense to me from a moral prospective.

That said I take comfort in believing in something Higher than myself and giving thanks and prayer to it as a way to relieve the pain and suffering that I, my family, good friends and other fellow human beings must endure. This has worked very well for me and millions and millions of people for generations of all spiritual or religious faiths.

So please don’t preach to me about what your set of facts or theories is and don’t shame me by calling me an uneducated moron for not believing what you do. I could care less what you believe, believe in the power of poon tang or lizard kings. I KNOW what I believe and I KNOW in my heart there is a Higher Power and I choose to believe in it. I’m done here.

[Fedaykin]

The “theory” of evolution is what they call a theory have you forgotten that very important word? Seems to have slipped your mind I think. It is theory that could be true or it could be a theory that could be false or it could even be partially true that’s why they call it a theory. I took some science classes when I went to high school and college and nowhere did I read that evolution was a fact.

You should try again -- you obviously failed to learn what a Scientific Theory is: Here's a hint:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3206048&postcount=170

[Arkie]

I don't remember this much controversy over Reggie White.

[Requiem]

Mile High Mojoe is a retard.

[barryr]

I don't remember this much controversy over Reggie White.

True, which shows I think not only with Tebow, is it about religion, but also race since he is a white unconventional type QB and QB's like Tebow have seemingly been black whose ability to run with the ball was more advanced than their passing skills and some think he has been given more of a chance than many of them had. Seeing Kordell Stewart get all worked up about that pretty much shows this since you know he isn't alone. So when you combine religion and race into the equation, no wonder the "Tebow thing" is a hot item. If Tebow was silent about his religion and was a pure pocket passer, regardless of the results, there would be little going on nationally about this. But ironic those that like to paint others has haters, mostly the liberal mind set, are the ones leading the charge to root against Tebow. Yeah, that is peace and love for you.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

True, which shows I think not only with Tebow, is it about religion, but also race since he is a white unconventional type QB and QB's like Tebow have seemingly been black whose ability to run with the ball was more advanced than their passing skills and some think he has been given more of a chance than many of them had.
Geeeezus, where do you come up with this crap?

[Mr.Meanie]

The “theory” of evolution is what they call a theory have you forgotten that very important word? Seems to have slipped your mind I think. It is theory that could be true or it could be a theory that could be false or it could even be partially true that’s why they call it a theory. I took some science classes when I went to high school and college and nowhere did I read that evolution was a fact.

What do you think of electromagnetic theory and the general theory of relativity? Evolution is as much of a fact as any other scientific theory that effects us every day. Just because you took some "science" courses in your bible camp doesn't mean you know what you're talking about...

[Spider]

LMFAO .......... Barry and Mojoe .......you guys are a riot ...... you guys have a pretty good act going

[Odysseus]

I don't remember this much controversy over Reggie White.

These are very different times indeed.

[Odysseus]

Geeeezus, where do you come up with this crap?

He is expressing his real self.