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Archer81
11-18-2011, 09:58 AM
Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what you or anyone else thinks of him.

He told Deion Sanders after the game that he canít worry about what other people think because he canít control it. Yes he can. He can shut up about his religion. There are many wonderful Christians and Muslims and Jews who practice their religion the way it was meant to be practiced: Privately. Religious beliefs are very personal and powerful. And there are many famous religious people who respect differences and keep their religious practices to themselves, their friends, their congregation and their family.

Not Tebow. Whenever he gets the chance he plasters it across the airwaves like a big flowery float with ear-splitting dance music in a Pride parade.

We hear people say they donít have a problem with gays as long as theyíre not flaunting it. Well guess what: Iím OK with Tim Tebow as long as heís not flaunting his religion. But he canít help it. He appears in national TV commercials to promote his religion. He makes a spectacle of prayer before, during and after the games. He thanks Jesus Christ after a win, as though a guy who died 2,000 years ago is magically deciding whether the Broncos or Jets win, or that god would take time out of his busy day (see: poverty, war, natural disasters) to even care.

I think generally Christians get a really bad rap from the gay community. Christianity is not bad. While Iím not Christian, I think itís (when not bastardized like it is so often) a beautiful religion. But many gay people are totally close-minded when it comes to Christianity. You can understand why. After decades of persecution in the name of Jesus Christ, the gay community would collectively rather see Christianity sink into the deepest corners of our society. Itís not how I feel, but I can understand why so many who have suffered at the hands of Christians feel that way.

Christianity isnít bad. Tim Tebow is.

So when he gets on national television and thanks his lord and savior Jesus ChristÖI hate him. Heís giving a big, fat middle finger to everyone who isnít religious; To the people who have been kicked out of their church for being gay; To the kids who have been evicted by their families in the name of Christ; And to the kids whoíve killed themselves because they couldnít reconcile their feelings with the teachings of close-minded religious zealots.

Thankfully his career will be a short one in the NFL. His brand of football simply wonít last. People say he just knows how to win. Hardly. These chump teams heís played in recently weeks have simply found a way to lose. Maybe heíll kick around for another two to three years, but heíll be gone before long. Thank the lord Jesus Christ for that.

For now, itís not enough for him to win a football game and hold a prayer circle after the game: He has to get on TV and make the first words out of his mouth be about religion. He canít make his religion a private matter, he has to plaster it on every TV in America.

And I hate him for it.

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/11/18/why-i-hate-tim-tebow/

...

:Broncos:

bendog
11-18-2011, 10:00 AM
No tim manjuice for him!

btw, off topic. I was watching the first season of modern family and cracking up at the partner of Ed ONeil's son wearing an Elway jersey.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-18-2011, 10:01 AM
http://www.englishmuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ScarJo_popcorn.gif

Popps
11-18-2011, 10:01 AM
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Aftermath
11-18-2011, 10:02 AM
Cry me a river u fat f$&king baby

Chris
11-18-2011, 10:02 AM
What a dumbass. Tebow doesn't proselytize. The closest he's come is that tame pro-life ad his mom did.

TDmvp
11-18-2011, 10:03 AM
ppreciate that.

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 10:03 AM
Tim's spirituality is what defines him internally as much as externally, and that's what repusles this guy.

Kind of sad, really.

But thank goodness that this guy and the Blarts of the world do not constitute the entirety of that community. Though they may be much less vocal, there are many gays who are actually not bigoted and who are normal.

Smiling Assassin27
11-18-2011, 10:04 AM
Sounds like the problem is with the author, not with his subject. I bet this guy demanded that Tiger Woods apologize to him as well. What a tool.

Crushaholic
11-18-2011, 10:05 AM
TGN? Is that you? ;)

Shananahan
11-18-2011, 10:05 AM
I've got some friends with this mentality (not about Tebow, just about religion). They claim to not have a problem with it, but the second they're confronted with it in any tangible way they respond with contempt and disgust.

I don't get it.

cabronco
11-18-2011, 10:06 AM
bored/ cabronco Island.

t-diddy
11-18-2011, 10:07 AM
Seems like a very tolerant guy....

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 10:09 AM
bored/ cabronco Island.

Ha!

canadianbroncosfan
11-18-2011, 10:11 AM
Tebow has his opinions this guy has his. Slamming Tebow for being religious, is no different than Christians slamming people for being gay. I guess the difference is, I've never heard Tim Tebow write a blog saying he "hates" anyone.

theAPAOps5
11-18-2011, 10:11 AM
His faith in God is strong, that is his choice and I could care less if he expresses it. But that deep burning faith and belief is also in his team and his abilities. I think how much faith he has and belief just makes it happen for him.

Football is a pastime not life, no need to get upset about what he believes and what I believe.

GreatBronco16
11-18-2011, 10:11 AM
He should quit watching the TV when Tebow is on. He's got more serious issuses than Tebows faith.

55CrushEm
11-18-2011, 10:16 AM
Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what.....

Yep....stopped reading right about there.

He does nothing of the sort.

Old Dude
11-18-2011, 10:16 AM
Meh - - in this age of wife-beaters, dog-killers, stalkers, drug-addicts, child-molesters, drunks and murderers, I think can put up with someone whose biggest fault is that he's publicly religious.

Archer81
11-18-2011, 10:19 AM
My opinion is this...if mo's have the right to wear assless chaps in public at pride parades, religious people can express that faith in public as well.

:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
11-18-2011, 10:20 AM
My opinion is this...if mo's have the right to wear assless chaps in public at pride parades, religious people can express that faith in public as well.

:Broncos:

That about sums it all up! LOL

Amen and God Bless!

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 10:22 AM
Mentioning and ramming down your throat are pretty different. I could care less.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 10:22 AM
Meh - - in this age of wife-beaters, dog-killers, stalkers, drug-addicts, child-molesters, drunks and murderers, I think can put up with someone whose biggest fault is that he's publicly religious.

As long as he keeps winning games, anyway. :wiggle:

broncocalijohn
11-18-2011, 10:22 AM
Time to become straight. If you hate Tebow, you are anti-American. The gays = hate America. It is simple as that. Come around for the vaginas and tataas.

bronclvr
11-18-2011, 10:23 AM
I'll bet this guy loves Ray Lewis, Perris Cox, Brandon Marhsall and players of that ilk-ya can't fix stupid-:unamused:

KO5K
11-18-2011, 10:23 AM
First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.You hate a guy because of 12 short words?

I mean, what kind of a person gets so worked up over one quick sentence?

Lame, weak, pathetic.

Dexter
11-18-2011, 10:25 AM
Meh - - in this age of wife-beaters, dog-killers, stalkers, drug-addicts, child-molesters, drunks and murderers, I think can put up with someone whose biggest fault is that he's publicly religious.

This. I'm an athiest, but even I can't hate on the guy. Tebow could be doing a lot worse. This numbnut hates how Tebow "shoves his religion down peoples throats"? Well isn't he doing the same thing by writing this article implying how bad religion is?

Maybe we should be a world where everyone believes or doesn't believe the same things. Because that would be a fun society to live in. And you know what, if you can't sit there and respectfully disagree with a guys beliefs without getting all worked up, maybe you're insecure about who you are?

What a tool this guy is.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:26 AM
Tebow inspires me to be a better person. People who don't want to be better will obviously be put off by him. Negative people, pessimists and non believers can watch his dust as he obliterates how people expect a QB and a person to behave.

One of the tenets of Christianity is to spread the word of god so everyone can know his love. Period. Ya don't like you can deal with what that will mean at some other point in time.

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 10:27 AM
My opinion is this...if mo's have the right to wear assless chaps in public at pride parades, religious people can express that faith in public as well.

:Broncos:

Ha!

alkemical
11-18-2011, 10:27 AM
http://s.buzzfeed.com//static/imagebuzz/web03/2011/11/15/7/masturbation-notice-at-st-andrews-uni-10790-1321361190-5.jpg

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:29 AM
You hate a guy because of 12 short words?

I mean, what kind of a person gets so worked up over one quick sentence?

Lame, weak, pathetic.

Tebow is the most polarizing figure in the NFL. What is crazy about that is we have dog murderers, druggies, people who killed other while driving drunk, people who carry guns into clubs, athletes who generally flaunt the law......but Tebow is the most polarizing.

I'm telling you people this kid is even more special then we thought. He truly is a disciple of god and a football player. People just can't handle it. Screw them there is separation of church and state and that is it. Nothing about church and football.

I'm so happy Tebow on our team.

TDmvp
11-18-2011, 10:29 AM
My opinion is this...if mo's have the right to wear assless chaps in public at pride parades, religious people can express that faith in public as well.

:Broncos:

rep

KO5K
11-18-2011, 10:30 AM
http://www.truelad.com/open.php?filename=images/resized/5fc6829723f58c6ee0a7dd483e15bfaa.jpg

DenverBroncosJM
11-18-2011, 10:30 AM
I am an atheist, but I am a Tebow fan and lets be real, life is tough and if thats (religion) what it takes to make it a better place for him or anyone else by all means jump in with both feet.

I don't hold his religion against him like I said if it helps make it through the day go for it.

And for the record this guy must dislike pretty much every pro boxer, they all thank god etc. after every win or loss, actually majority of the athletes do.

KO5K
11-18-2011, 10:31 AM
I'm so happy Tebow on our team.

Yup, the way some people get so worked up over Tebow makes him winning just that little bit sweeter.

Hope you enjoyed that one TGN.

Quoydogs
11-18-2011, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=sirhcyennek81;3379647]Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


"I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what you or anyone else thinks of him."


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Look man I don't believe in God, Jesus, Buddha or any other of them. But if this is what he believes then let him. It affects you in know way other then giving timmy the drive to win games.

When Orton gets traded you should go with him so you don't have to hear about it anymore. Enjoy your losses as well because he has no Drive.

I say preach away Timmy, hell if you keep giving us wins I'll come down and join you.

Do what it takes to win games, at least he is not out there fondling other players junk to get the advantage.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 10:33 AM
Yeah. What's up with the assless chaps? WTF? Is it some kind of twisted cowboy thing?

BroncoLifer
11-18-2011, 10:34 AM
Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what you or anyone else thinks of him.

[...snip...]

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/11/18/why-i-hate-tim-tebow/

...



Bigotry is alive and well in America. It's as simple as that.

edog24
11-18-2011, 10:34 AM
God Bless, next.

ColoradoDarin
11-18-2011, 10:34 AM
And if this guy met Tebow and said the same to his face, Tim Tebow would be as polite as can be in that boy scout way of his. And then when the guy had left, Tim would kneel down and say a prayer for him to let go of his hate and find the peace that transcends all understanding.

God Bless & Go Broncos

bowtown
11-18-2011, 10:35 AM
I'll bet this guy loves Ray Lewis, Perris Cox, Brandon Marhsall and players of that ilk-ya can't fix stupid-:unamused:

You mean this Ray Lewis?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GgDgR_BkJwo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I bet he has a 2 page rant about that interview too. No? He doesn't? Weird.

Hypocrisy is awesome.

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 10:38 AM
And if this guy met Tebow and said the same to his face, Tim Tebow would be as polite as can be in that boy scout way of his. And then when the guy had left, Tim would kneel down and say a prayer for him to let go of his hate and find the peace that transcends all understanding.

God Bless & Go Broncos

GB2

R8R H8R
11-18-2011, 10:38 AM
He should quit watching the TV when Tebow is on. He's got more serious issuses than Tebows faith.

Beat me to it. My reaction as well.

Powderaddict
11-18-2011, 10:40 AM
Mentioning and ramming down your throat are pretty different. I could care less.

EXACTLY.

He thanked "His Lord and Savior", and didn't follow it up with a stern "And YOU SHOULD TOO!". Not that I would really care if he did or didn't, but the writer's basis for his opinion is very flawed.

Dawkins is everybit as forward with his faith and doesn't get any flack for it. As do many others.

He's just an easy target, and fortunately it doesn't seem to bother him.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 10:42 AM
My uncle is a priest and two of my aunts are nuns. Try watching a game with a priest sometimes. Sure, he'll have a beer with you, but then can you stop yourself from going @%&*#@$%^% when there's a fumble or INT or something stupid? There's a test. ;D

Jay3
11-18-2011, 10:42 AM
I don't understand it -- it wouldn't bother me no matter what he was. We had a Muslim basketball player at Georgia Tech and it was just in interesting side story.

Or Scientology -- I know Tom Cruise is into fruitcake stuff, but it doesn't really affect my "hate level" for him.

I even enjoy some ultra-left wing entertainers that are sort of in your face with their political worldview.

I don't get why it makes people so uncomfortable for him to acknowledge Jesus as the Lord of his life. Surely people aren't so sheltered that that they don't know or love anyone in their personal life that is devout in their faith?

How would these people get by in the world? I used to travel and do business in the Middle East, where everybody did the Muslim observances. You get by. Look for the best in people, not the worst.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:43 AM
You mean this Ray Lewis?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GgDgR_BkJwo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I bet he has a 2 page rant about that interview too. No? He doesn't? Weird.

Hypocrisy is awesome.

Yep! There are a lot of players with tons of faith and they thank god all the time. Tebow is just being singled out because he does it a bit more and runs a charity through religious organizations. Somehow the Christians, all of us, have to mend this relationship with people who want to be agnostic or Atheist. They sort of hate us for bad things religion has caused, which it has. But look at all the non religious things that have hurt people? It's just that as a people we are cruel and the religions are not immune to that. We need more people like Tebow who show others how awesome having faith in god can be. I'm scientific, i guess it could be all made up, but i don't care I am a better person for trying.

rbackfactory80
11-18-2011, 10:44 AM
I f-ing hate the dope who wrote the article.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:47 AM
I don't understand it -- it wouldn't bother me no matter what he was. We had a Muslim basketball player at Georgia Tech and it was just in interesting side story.

Or Scientology -- I know Tom Cruise is into fruitcake stuff, but it doesn't really affect my "hate level" for him.

I even enjoy some ultra-left wing entertainers that are sort of in your face with their political worldview.

I don't get why it makes people so uncomfortable for him to acknowledge Jesus as the Lord of his life. Surely people aren't so sheltered that that they don't know or love anyone in their personal life that is devout in their faith?

How would these people get by in the world? I used to travel and do business in the Middle East, where everybody did the Muslim observances. You get by. Look for the best in people, not the worst.

Scientology bothers me because they take sooo much money from the followers and are not open. Not saying the crazy stuff about kidnapping and holding people against their will in the desert is true, but I don't trust them. But I would totally not care if a player talked about them. If we had a kick ass RB who said my audits at the scientology center really help be focus and I think everyone should join. Its great! Would not bother me. What bothers me is players who break the law, get suspended, don't play hard, or aren't good players. In that order pretty much.

vonqkilla
11-18-2011, 10:54 AM
Tebow has done more good for others than we can imagine. If his faith in a god drives him to it, fine. Better than blowing it in vegas.

TT is a righteous dude.

Kaylore
11-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Tim: Thanks, Jesus.

Cyd: Quit ramming your religion down my throat!!!!

::)

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 10:58 AM
I still think the OP should explain the assless chaps.

gyldenlove
11-18-2011, 11:17 AM
There is not a fraction of a hoot small enough to meassure how little I care about Tebow's religion and how he chooses to observe it - and I bet if this guy really looks under his unquestionably fashionable shirt and into the myogenic muscular organ at the center of his circulatory system he doesn't either, he just failed to realize this because taking offense is much more fun than living and let live.

BroncsCheer
11-18-2011, 11:27 AM
Yeah. What's up with the assless chaps? WTF? Is it some kind of twisted cowboy thing?

I think, by definition, chaps don't have an ass, it's just whether one chooses to wear nothing, or wranglers underneath that defines the statement being made with the wearing of the chaps . ...

Gort
11-18-2011, 11:30 AM
this is what Cyd Zeigler hates:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tim-tebow-foundation-cure-international-to-build-childrens-hospital-in-philippines-2011-11-15

he knows that Tebow is 1000x the human being he will ever be and he resents the hell out of it. also he's angry and jealous.

broncocalijohn
11-18-2011, 11:34 AM
Why doesnt Chris (OP) tell us how he responded to this article to his "community". Chris, you are preaching to the choir by posting it here and your response but I think it is more telling and thought provoking if you had posted a rebuttal to the authors post/article. No way I am clicking on that and get gay ads popping up on my computer (I heard you can get aids just by the POP ups) so i have no idea if it is a forum like this or just something like Bleacher Report.

Ask him/them when they have built a orphanage for those in the Phillippines or Haiti like The Tebow Foundation and Father Mark's Orphanage has done. Maybe planning the next pride parade in assless chaps is more important on his/their agenda.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 11:35 AM
this is what Cyd Zeigler hates:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tim-tebow-foundation-cure-international-to-build-childrens-hospital-in-philippines-2011-11-15

he knows that Tebow is 1000x the human being he will ever be and he resents the hell out of it. also he's angry and jealous.

Many people just super selfish and justify it by saying thats how the world is, everyone the same. Men like Tebow show them how wrong they are and they can't take it.

I am choosing to be inspired and try and be more like him. I can't be, because I am vulgar, drinking, woman chasing pig, but I can be nicer to people, try and be more polite, try and give to charity and maybe give up some of my time to a worthy a cause.

One thing I always like to push is the Bone Marrow Donor registry. My brother a leukemia survivor and when he was in need of marrow i was shocked that more people vote for American Idol then have signed up on the registry.

Especially the black men on the site need to go do it. Black people die because they can't match the marrow, because not enough of them sign up to do it.

HorseHead
11-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Writer deep down inside loves Tim....man crush...

Even Satan is contemplating buying a Tebow jersey this Christmas...

gunns
11-18-2011, 11:53 AM
Whatever. I like that Tim lives his beliefs despite criticism and ridicule. Like he says can't control what others think.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Whatever. I like that Tim lives his beliefs despite criticism and ridicule. Like he says can't control what others think.

And its not even a say it to my face sort of thing. You could say it to his face, people do, he still does not express anger. Man i wish i could control my temper like he must have to. Obviously people are not going to make drastic changes because it works for Tebow, but there are things about him, a lot of things, that I wish I was more like. I'm going to try and be more polite to everyone but people on the Mane. LOL!

cmhargrove
11-18-2011, 11:59 AM
To the OP: please explain your thread title. You have slid under the radar a little in this thread. Do you concur with the article? It seems like you took a little jab at the "Omane Community," or am I wrong?

Archer81
11-18-2011, 12:00 PM
I still think the OP should explain the assless chaps.


I am not opposed to assless chaps, perse. I just know in public is not a place for them. I could have gone with the gimp on a leash reference in public. There is a line between what is acceptable in private and what is in public. A dude in assless chaps walking a naked guy on a leash in a dog collar in public obliterates said line.

In short, its a fetish thing. Gays are big on fetishes.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 12:01 PM
I guess assless chaps is better than chapped ass.

Archer81
11-18-2011, 12:04 PM
To the OP: please explain your thread title. You have slid under the radar a little in this thread. Do you concur with the article? It seems like you took a little jab at the "Omane Community," or am I wrong?


No. I am not a fan of the gay community, even if I am obstensibly a part of it. This article is Broncos related, and also a reflection of the rampant stupid hate gays have for religious people. Religion in itself is not evil. Men who use religion for their own twisted purposes are evil. Some gays fail to see the distinction and automatically apply the "christian bigot" card to anyone who happens to be public with their faith.

If I was going to take a jab at the OM, I would create a "goodbye, and thanks for all the fish" thread and rip into this board.

:Broncos:

colorado jones
11-18-2011, 12:09 PM
Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what you or anyone else thinks of him.

He told Deion Sanders after the game that he canít worry about what other people think because he canít control it. Yes he can. He can shut up about his religion. There are many wonderful Christians and Muslims and Jews who practice their religion the way it was meant to be practiced: Privately. Religious beliefs are very personal and powerful. And there are many famous religious people who respect differences and keep their religious practices to themselves, their friends, their congregation and their family.

Not Tebow. Whenever he gets the chance he plasters it across the airwaves like a big flowery float with ear-splitting dance music in a Pride parade.

We hear people say they donít have a problem with gays as long as theyíre not flaunting it. Well guess what: Iím OK with Tim Tebow as long as heís not flaunting his religion. But he canít help it. He appears in national TV commercials to promote his religion. He makes a spectacle of prayer before, during and after the games. He thanks Jesus Christ after a win, as though a guy who died 2,000 years ago is magically deciding whether the Broncos or Jets win, or that god would take time out of his busy day (see: poverty, war, natural disasters) to even care.

I think generally Christians get a really bad rap from the gay community. Christianity is not bad. While Iím not Christian, I think itís (when not bastardized like it is so often) a beautiful religion. But many gay people are totally close-minded when it comes to Christianity. You can understand why. After decades of persecution in the name of Jesus Christ, the gay community would collectively rather see Christianity sink into the deepest corners of our society. Itís not how I feel, but I can understand why so many who have suffered at the hands of Christians feel that way.

Christianity isnít bad. Tim Tebow is.

So when he gets on national television and thanks his lord and savior Jesus ChristÖI hate him. Heís giving a big, fat middle finger to everyone who isnít religious; To the people who have been kicked out of their church for being gay; To the kids who have been evicted by their families in the name of Christ; And to the kids whoíve killed themselves because they couldnít reconcile their feelings with the teachings of close-minded religious zealots.

Thankfully his career will be a short one in the NFL. His brand of football simply wonít last. People say he just knows how to win. Hardly. These chump teams heís played in recently weeks have simply found a way to lose. Maybe heíll kick around for another two to three years, but heíll be gone before long. Thank the lord Jesus Christ for that.

For now, itís not enough for him to win a football game and hold a prayer circle after the game: He has to get on TV and make the first words out of his mouth be about religion. He canít make his religion a private matter, he has to plaster it on every TV in America.

And I hate him for it.

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/11/18/why-i-hate-tim-tebow/

...

:Broncos:

When I was walking into the game last night, I heard 2 "Bronco" fans parroting this article. One of the guys couldn't decide if he would rather see Tebow or the Jets lose.

I am not sure if there disdain was religous based but I assume it was.....I couldn't believe it.


Also, you do not have to be gay to enjoy assless leather chaps! :D

Rolandftw
11-18-2011, 12:20 PM
I don't get the hate, really.

Now, I do think the idea that God really cares about a secular thing like the NFL to be ludicrous at best. But a lot of players do it.. and many may not be as sincere as Tebow could be.

Mecklomaniac
11-18-2011, 12:25 PM
I always have liked Penn Gillette's take on proselytizing.

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If you sincerely believe in a heaven and hell, how much would you have to hate someone to not try and convince them.

DomCasual
11-18-2011, 12:25 PM
Two things:

1) I do get tired of the "I'd like to thankmyLordandSaviorJesusChrist" thing (I put it as one word, because that's what it sounds like - it's such a cliche, it's almost stopped meaning anything). My problem with it is that it's just words. Generally, when an athlete says it, they may as well be saying, "Look at me! I'm a great guy!"

When Tebow says it, I think he means it. Last night, after he scored, it was like there was an urgency to get to the sideline and drop on a knee. I have a good BS meter, I think - ESPECIALLY when it comes to religion. I don't sense any insincerity in Tim Tebow. If you wear your faith on your sleeve, like he does, you had better be able to back it up. With him, backing it up doesn't seem to be an issue. It's almost ridiculous how good a person he seems to be.

2) He said it himself last night, on the NFL Network postgame show. While he loves football, he sees it more as a platform for his expressions of faith than anything else. He's not ashamed to call it what it is. There is absolutely no pretense there. And does anyone have any doubt what he will do, when he's done playing?

It's hard to argue that the world isn't a better place because of Tim Tebow. The net of his existence is overwhelmingly positive. Most people that say the types of things he says are first saying it, then trying to live it. He seems to first live it, and then talk about it. I have absolutely not problem with that!

Rolandftw
11-18-2011, 12:42 PM
I always have liked Penn Gillette's take on proselytizing.

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If you sincerely believe in a heaven and hell, how much would you have to hate someone to not try and convince them.

The problem is that there is no way one could know for sure. And any attempt to convince someone of something, would invariably result in tearing down their faith in the process.

Absolute truth's in regards to faith are scary, because ultimately people convince themselves to do all kinds of terrible things because of the good that faith may bring. The Catholic Church has brought a lot of good in people's lives, but at the same time the reality that they did wrong as well.. might leave people to question their faith and leave the church. So faith, can compel people to not necessarily do the right thing. To ignore a problem of abuse.. or worse yet, even to hide it.

It's a similar situation with the Penn State scandal. JoePa is seen as an icon in that area and rather then admit that something terrible happened under his watch--it's easier to pretend that nothing happened. People's faith in Joe and what it means in part led to the situation.

At the same time, Tim does a lot of good in the world obviously. Better then most people do, probably.

Gort
11-18-2011, 12:45 PM
No. I am not a fan of the gay community, even if I am obstensibly a part of it. This article is Broncos related, and also a reflection of the rampant stupid hate gays have for religious people. Religion in itself is not evil. Men who use religion for their own twisted purposes are evil. Some gays fail to see the distinction and automatically apply the "christian bigot" card to anyone who happens to be public with their faith.

If I was going to take a jab at the OM, I would create a "goodbye, and thanks for all the fish" thread and rip into this board.

:Broncos:

my take is this...

gays don't want to just be tolerated. they want to be accepted. they want their lifestyle choices affirmed and codified in the law. that's what all the BS about gay marriage and alot of other gay issues is really about. it's really all about them feeling better about themselves and their lifestyle.

the gays that don't give a **** what other people think (like you apparently) see how absurd it is to get caught up in that nonsense. you only get one life... go out an live it.

i can tolerate gays. it's their choice to make. i don't agree with them, but they have to live their life, not me, so who am i to tell them how to live. so long as they are not hurting anybody and not getting in my face about it, i don't lose one bit of sleep about them.

however, demanding the whole history of the species be re-written and the whole history of the country be changed, just to make them feel better is going a step too far and that's why alot of people in this country are resisting their over-the-top demands.

those angry gays hate religious people because religious people will tolerate them, but will never accept their life choices and re-define "normal" for their sake. if those gays were well-adjusted, they'd go about living their lives knowing full well that they have the freedom here to do so. but it's not about that to them. it's about something deep inside them that they don't feel good about. that's why they are so angry and hateful.

that's how i see it at least. i spent a bunch of years living out in the SF bay area and based on my experiences there, i'm pretty sure my explanation above holds true for alot of the really angry ones (like the ones that attack churches).

DenverBroncosJM
11-18-2011, 01:02 PM
I like the saying:

Prayer:

Begging your God to change his plan.


There is a lot of truth to the saying you hate what you fear. You can apply it to many different things. I think people in general fear that Tebow is really that good of a person. That's a hard measuring stick for a lot people, myself included to go up against. Its hard for people in general to except that someone is better, I think people who are secure in themselves can appreciate Tebow and the good in other people.

Not sure if that made sense or not so ill stop.

Denver Crush
11-18-2011, 01:12 PM
At least tebow backs his Jesus stuff with actual good deeds that Jesus may have done himself..ie. helping the poor, sick, and unwanted/undesirables.


The guy is building a hospital where actual brown people inhabit the land instead of promoting the of bombing it. WTF?

gunns
11-18-2011, 01:19 PM
Just these two statements in your post showed you don't have a clue of what you speak. It's merely the judgment you decided upon.

i can tolerate gays. it's their choice to make

Beep. Wrong.

those angry gays hate religious people because religious people will tolerate them, but will never accept their life choices

Beep. Wrong

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 01:30 PM
Two things:

1) I do get tired of the "I'd like to thankmyLordandSaviorJesusChrist" thing (I put it as one word, because that's what it sounds like - it's such a cliche, it's almost stopped meaning anything). My problem with it is that it's just words. Generally, when an athlete says it, they may as well be saying, "Look at me! I'm a great guy!"

When Tebow says it, I think he means it. Last night, after he scored, it was like there was an urgency to get to the sideline and drop on a knee. I have a good BS meter, I think - ESPECIALLY when it comes to religion. I don't sense any insincerity in Tim Tebow. If you wear your faith on your sleeve, like he does, you had better be able to back it up. With him, backing it up doesn't seem to be an issue. It's almost ridiculous how good a person he seems to be.

2) He said it himself last night, on the NFL Network postgame show. While he loves football, he sees it more as a platform for his expressions of faith than anything else. He's not ashamed to call it what it is. There is absolutely no pretense there. And does anyone have any doubt what he will do, when he's done playing?

It's hard to argue that the world isn't a better place because of Tim Tebow. The net of his existence is overwhelmingly positive. Most people that say the types of things he says are first saying it, then trying to live it. He seems to first live it, and then talk about it. I have absolutely not problem with that!

He has also said he realizes by being vocal, by being this huge Christian icon in sports he will have to live up to it. I seriously doubt this kid gets into trouble. People will always question it because none of us want to live up to it really. Who wants to not drink, not have sex before marriage, spend your money on other people, and a huge chunk of your free time helping the less fortunate.

The problem is think how friggin powerful our country would be, the world would be, if we all acted like Tim Tebow. Now think about that and reflect on how it would be if we all acted like Mike Vick.

Did the boys on NFL Network ask Vick what did you feel inside as you killed the dog, did you feel any sadness, hell know they went straight to he served his time, he deserves a chance, to hes ****ing awesome lets kiss his ass. Instead the ask Tebow what do you tell you WR when the balls you throw are so ****ty. I can only imagine how hard these men are going to play for Tebow. We are seeing it already. The defense loves this kid and I would not want to be somewhere with all the Broncos if someone tried to **** with Tebow. They love this kid.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 01:34 PM
gays want it to just not be an issue. Like if you find out someone gay its no different then hearing if they are single or not. Just a fact of a situation. I am trying but it isn't easy all the time because some of the flamboyant ones make me uncomfortable. I am firmly on board with them being able to marry though. What do I care? Plus it is work at wedding receptions and wedding parties for lots of deejays, catering, hall and hotel rentals, bands etc etc etc. I am all for people making money.

myMind
11-18-2011, 01:34 PM
The problem is that there is no way one could know for sure. And any attempt to convince someone of something, would invariably result in tearing down their faith in the process.

Absolute truth's in regards to faith are scary, because ultimately people convince themselves to do all kinds of terrible things because of the good that faith may bring. The Catholic Church has brought a lot of good in people's lives, but at the same time the reality that they did wrong as well.. might leave people to question their faith and leave the church. So faith, can compel people to not necessarily do the right thing. To ignore a problem of abuse.. or worse yet, even to hide it.

It's a similar situation with the Penn State scandal. JoePa is seen as an icon in that area and rather then admit that something terrible happened under his watch--it's easier to pretend that nothing happened. People's faith in Joe and what it means in part led to the situation.

At the same time, Tim does a lot of good in the world obviously. Better then most people do, probably.

Well said, but I think you missed the point of the video.

It wasnt about being able to convince someone of something.

It was about how someone who is already 100% sold on an idea of salvation would have to really hate someone in order to not let them in on salvation.

If you were absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt certain that a relative was going to die and you had the only way to save them, how could you not tell them.

This isnt an argument for whether religion is right or wrong. Its about if you "know" you're right, and could help others with your knowledge, wouldnt you almost have to?

Gort
11-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Just these two statements in your post showed you don't have a clue of what you speak. It's merely the judgment you decided upon.



Beep. Wrong.



Beep. Wrong

funny. you think i don't have a clue and by your response, i think you don't have a clue. can we agree to disagree? because, i honestly don't care what you think on this matter, nor anybody else. it's not a subject i particularly spend much time thinking about. if you want a nature vs. nurture argument, go find somebody else. if you want to argue about gays and religion, go ahead and find somebody else. but i'm not wrong that it's something deep inside these angry people that makes them angry. it's not external stimulus doing it. you find any group of angry people for whatever reason (race, religion, sex, etc.) and it's almost invariably something inside that person that is the root of the problem.

Rolandftw
11-18-2011, 01:56 PM
Well said, but I think you missed the point of the video.

It wasnt about being able to convince someone of something.

It was about how someone who is already 100% sold on an idea of salvation would have to really hate someone in order to not let them in on salvation.

If you were absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt certain that a relative was going to die and you had the only way to save them, how could you not tell them.

This isnt an argument for whether religion is right or wrong. Its about if you "know" you're right, and could help others with your knowledge, wouldnt you almost have to?

Where does that argument stop? Our life is limited, yet afterlife is eternal (theoretically). With that said, wouldn't it be morally ok to torture someone until they accepted what you already knew to be true? Sure, they would suffer immensely, but if it would lead to them "finding God" and having eternal life, one could justify that is worth it. Limited pain is not as bad as eternal pain after all...

You have historical situations, like kids being taken from their parents because they are teaching a faith to them that is different from what a majority of people in a society think is true--and it's justified.

All I'm saying is the argument used in that video isn't really that far off from the argument used by people historically. And overall, I see it as a weak argument (no offense) because we can all see a truck hitting someone would likely cause their death. There are at least, contrary opinions, on the view of religion and what is correct and incorrect.

I personally believe that my views of God, are just as wrong as your views or Tim Tebow's views. The alternative to me, seems to be self worship.

Extremist Muslims can justify terrorist bombings because they have such a strong conviction in their faith. They think they are right completely, and they think we Americans are completely wrong with our worship of secular things, our treatment of women in society, loss of family values, etc.

Most Americans are just as convinced that they are wrong. Not just wrong with how their society is, but religiously wrong as well.

Personally, I believe the origin of religion to be the fear of death so I see those that truly think they know for sure there is a heaven or hell to be more of a mask for a fear they are unwilling to admit.

myMind
11-18-2011, 02:02 PM
Where does that argument stop? Our life is limited, yet afterlife is eternal (theoretically). With that said, wouldn't it be morally ok to torture someone until they accepted what you already knew to be true? Sure, they would suffer immensely, but if it would lead to them "finding God" and having eternal life, one could justify that is worth it. Limited pain is not as bad as eternal pain after all...

You have historical situations, like kids being taken from their parents because they are teaching a faith to them that is different from what a majority of people in a society think is true--and it's justified.

All I'm saying is the argument used in that video isn't really that far off from the argument used by people historically. And overall, I see it as a weak argument (no offense) because we can all see a truck hitting someone would likely cause their death. There are at least, contrary opinions, on the view of religion and what is correct and incorrect.

I personally believe that my views of God, are just as wrong as your views or Tim Tebow's views. The alternative to me, seems to be self worship.

Extremist Muslims can justify terrorist bombings because they have such a strong conviction in their faith. They think they are right completely, and they think we Americans are completely wrong with our worship of secular things, our treatment of women in society, loss of family values, etc.

Most Americans are just as convinced that they are wrong. Not just wrong with how their society is, but religiously wrong as well.

Personally, I believe the origin of religion to be the fear of death so I see those that truly think they know for sure there is a heaven or hell to be more of a mask for a fear they are unwilling to admit.

Really think that you're overcomplicating a fairly simple point.
A point that doesn't need to be taken into theological debate to be understood.

But I digress, as I don't reall want to get into said theological debate.
I don't really think our views on religion are that different, Ive had the same thoughts about religions origins as you mentioned in your last sentences.

canadianbroncosfan
11-18-2011, 02:05 PM
Maybe he hates that Tebow is building a hospital in the Phillipines for needy children because he feels that's his duty for being so blessed. In a day in age when professional athletes are going bankrupt because they needed six Escalades, Tebow is using money to build a freaking hospital!!!! I didn't hear any mention of that part of that interview. Sure sounds like a person I could easily hate for having faith.

Dagmar
11-18-2011, 02:13 PM
People who quote the whole article again are worse than Cyd.

bowtown
11-18-2011, 02:18 PM
Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what you or anyone else thinks of him.

He told Deion Sanders after the game that he canít worry about what other people think because he canít control it. Yes he can. He can shut up about his religion. There are many wonderful Christians and Muslims and Jews who practice their religion the way it was meant to be practiced: Privately. Religious beliefs are very personal and powerful. And there are many famous religious people who respect differences and keep their religious practices to themselves, their friends, their congregation and their family.

Not Tebow. Whenever he gets the chance he plasters it across the airwaves like a big flowery float with ear-splitting dance music in a Pride parade.

We hear people say they donít have a problem with gays as long as theyíre not flaunting it. Well guess what: Iím OK with Tim Tebow as long as heís not flaunting his religion. But he canít help it. He appears in national TV commercials to promote his religion. He makes a spectacle of prayer before, during and after the games. He thanks Jesus Christ after a win, as though a guy who died 2,000 years ago is magically deciding whether the Broncos or Jets win, or that god would take time out of his busy day (see: poverty, war, natural disasters) to even care.

I think generally Christians get a really bad rap from the gay community. Christianity is not bad. While Iím not Christian, I think itís (when not bastardized like it is so often) a beautiful religion. But many gay people are totally close-minded when it comes to Christianity. You can understand why. After decades of persecution in the name of Jesus Christ, the gay community would collectively rather see Christianity sink into the deepest corners of our society. Itís not how I feel, but I can understand why so many who have suffered at the hands of Christians feel that way.

Christianity isnít bad. Tim Tebow is.

So when he gets on national television and thanks his lord and savior Jesus ChristÖI hate him. Heís giving a big, fat middle finger to everyone who isnít religious; To the people who have been kicked out of their church for being gay; To the kids who have been evicted by their families in the name of Christ; And to the kids whoíve killed themselves because they couldnít reconcile their feelings with the teachings of close-minded religious zealots.

Thankfully his career will be a short one in the NFL. His brand of football simply wonít last. People say he just knows how to win. Hardly. These chump teams heís played in recently weeks have simply found a way to lose. Maybe heíll kick around for another two to three years, but heíll be gone before long. Thank the lord Jesus Christ for that.

For now, itís not enough for him to win a football game and hold a prayer circle after the game: He has to get on TV and make the first words out of his mouth be about religion. He canít make his religion a private matter, he has to plaster it on every TV in America.

And I hate him for it.

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/11/18/why-i-hate-tim-tebow/

...

:Broncos:
:D

Taco John
11-18-2011, 02:23 PM
sircyennek, I can understand why probably a majority of gays would find this kind of religious bigotry acceptable - and maybe even feel justified. But I'm wondering if you ever see anyone mentioning the irony of hating someone because they're religious and out in the open about it.

DBroncos4life
11-18-2011, 02:27 PM
I can't really think of one time I ever heard someone that just won something from sports, music, TV/movie awards, that they didn't give thanks to god.

TailgateNut
11-18-2011, 02:57 PM
Yup, the way some people get so worked up over Tebow makes him winning just that little bit sweeter.

Hope you enjoyed that one TGN.


The article or the win. Were you there at the game? No? Figures. STFU!

bronco_diesel
11-18-2011, 02:58 PM
Why I hate Tim Tebow

Nov 18th, 2011
by




Cyd Zeigler jr..


I hate Tim Tebow.

OK, hate is a strong word. Despise. Vehemently dislike. Whatever. I hate that guy. And I hate him more after his win over the New York Jets on Thursday. Let me be clear: I hate the Jets. Despise, dislike, whatever. I hate the Jets. Iím thrilled the Jets lost. Iím always thrilled when the Jets lose. Big, brash, lots of talking. I hate them. It wasnít the outcome of the game that made him my most hated athlete in the world. It was what he did after the game.


First and foremost I gotta thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

No. Stop it. I hate him. And this is why so many other people hate him. And why they love him. Why heís the most hated and most loved athlete in the country. Because he knows religion is a touchy subject in this country, he knows people have been hurt by religion, and he doesnít care. Heís going to take his religion and ram it down your throat no matter what you or anyone else thinks of him.

He told Deion Sanders after the game that he canít worry about what other people think because he canít control it. Yes he can. He can shut up about his religion. There are many wonderful Christians and Muslims and Jews who practice their religion the way it was meant to be practiced: Privately. Religious beliefs are very personal and powerful. And there are many famous religious people who respect differences and keep their religious practices to themselves, their friends, their congregation and their family.

Not Tebow. Whenever he gets the chance he plasters it across the airwaves like a big flowery float with ear-splitting dance music in a Pride parade.

We hear people say they donít have a problem with gays as long as theyíre not flaunting it. Well guess what: Iím OK with Tim Tebow as long as heís not flaunting his religion. But he canít help it. He appears in national TV commercials to promote his religion. He makes a spectacle of prayer before, during and after the games. He thanks Jesus Christ after a win, as though a guy who died 2,000 years ago is magically deciding whether the Broncos or Jets win, or that god would take time out of his busy day (see: poverty, war, natural disasters) to even care.

I think generally Christians get a really bad rap from the gay community. Christianity is not bad. While Iím not Christian, I think itís (when not bastardized like it is so often) a beautiful religion. But many gay people are totally close-minded when it comes to Christianity. You can understand why. After decades of persecution in the name of Jesus Christ, the gay community would collectively rather see Christianity sink into the deepest corners of our society. Itís not how I feel, but I can understand why so many who have suffered at the hands of Christians feel that way.

Christianity isnít bad. Tim Tebow is.

So when he gets on national television and thanks his lord and savior Jesus ChristÖI hate him. Heís giving a big, fat middle finger to everyone who isnít religious; To the people who have been kicked out of their church for being gay; To the kids who have been evicted by their families in the name of Christ; And to the kids whoíve killed themselves because they couldnít reconcile their feelings with the teachings of close-minded religious zealots.

Thankfully his career will be a short one in the NFL. His brand of football simply wonít last. People say he just knows how to win. Hardly. These chump teams heís played in recently weeks have simply found a way to lose. Maybe heíll kick around for another two to three years, but heíll be gone before long. Thank the lord Jesus Christ for that.

For now, itís not enough for him to win a football game and hold a prayer circle after the game: He has to get on TV and make the first words out of his mouth be about religion. He canít make his religion a private matter, he has to plaster it on every TV in America.

And I hate him for it.

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/11/18/why-i-hate-tim-tebow/

...

:Broncos:


This guy's first 2 words show more about his character than anything else.

He goes on to rip Tebow and claims that he is giving a big fat middle finger to all non-believers. How self absorbed can he be?

Can he just look past himself and see that Tim is genuinely thankful and it has NOTHING to do with him?

I applaud Tim and his approach to his faith.

I wonder what this guy is writing about Sandusky, Paterno etc. Why pick on a guy who's done nothing to harm anyone, but his beliefs conflict with his?

This dude as some serious issues, he's full of hatred and is delusional.

cmhargrove
11-18-2011, 03:03 PM
I guess i'm dense, how did this article lead to a discussion on homosexuality? Is the author gay?

I totally missed it. I thought he was just an average, run of the mill anti-religious disenfranchised vessel of vile feelings - i didn't know it was a gay thing...

Jay3
11-18-2011, 03:06 PM
The weird part is people seem to give someone a pass if they just thank "God" or claim "God" did something good.

But if they say the word "Jesus" people start getting squirrely. Or "Christ."

Unless it's used as a swear word. Maybe with the middle initial H.

TailgateNut
11-18-2011, 03:08 PM
another moron filled thread. Yippee.

Archer81
11-18-2011, 03:09 PM
sircyennek, I can understand why probably a majority of gays would find this kind of religious bigotry acceptable - and maybe even feel justified. But I'm wondering if you ever see anyone mentioning the irony of hating someone because they're religious and out in the open about it.


I think I understand what you mean in the bolded. The community is shallow in alot of ways. In most respects it gets off by tweaking convention. It dislikes Christians for persecution, but the definition of what persecution is is very broad. On one hand you have Mathew Shepard, on the other you have someone being miffed because a grown man is wearing a "sassy bitch" tshirt and dared to comment on it. There is no by degree in the community. Its all or nothing. The people who opposed prop 8 could not accept in liberal California that more people voted in favor of it then not. So rather than trying to repeal it the normal way, you had "militant gays" attacking churches and pastors, the LDS church specifically. You cannot be screaming about Christian persecution and then turn around and engage in the action you condemn otherwise. How exactly does that change minds when you are vindicating speech that opposes you? I never understood that.

I do recognize the ridiculousness of hating someone for hating something. But I am human, and when coupled with everything the GC puts value on exasperates me. I personally never saw anything resembling persecution of gays growing up. I'm not discounting that it happens to some people and their lives are made harder because of what they lost, but I do not blame a religion itself for what its adherents do. That's not logical to me. For example, my stepmother was horrible to me when my dad got hurt in Iraq. She is a woman. Therefore all women are horrible. That does not fit into how I view the world, and pisses me off that some people actually function under that line of thought.

:Broncos:

ludo21
11-18-2011, 03:09 PM
The weird part is people seem to give someone a pass if they just thank "God" or claim "God" did something good.

But if they say the word "Jesus" people start getting squirrely. Or "Christ."

Unless it's used as a swear word. Maybe with the middle initial H.

when us Christians talk about him being the only way to heaven, that makes people uneasy as well.



.....and this goes to the WRP forum.......now

Archer81
11-18-2011, 03:10 PM
another moron filled thread. Yippee.


Well...it was'nt until you posted.


;D:wiggle:

:Broncos:

TailgateNut
11-18-2011, 03:14 PM
Well...it was'nt until you posted.


;D:wiggle:

:Broncos:


You are right. It was a fag and christian circle jerk. Allow me to step aside so you guys can continue your mass masturbation.

Archer81
11-18-2011, 03:16 PM
You are right. It was a fag and christian circle jerk. Allow me to step aside so you guys can continue your mass masturbation.


And you used to have a sense of humor.

:Broncos:

broncocalijohn
11-18-2011, 03:26 PM
I guess i'm dense, how did this article lead to a discussion on homosexuality? Is the author gay?

I totally missed it. I thought he was just an average, run of the mill anti-religious disenfranchised vessel of vile feelings - i didn't know it was a gay thing...

Well, you are dense since you are totally confused twice in this thread. OP is a homo like Blart but he isnt gay like Blart. Gay? oh yes but he is the anti gay of gays. The "community" is his rainbow brigade. cmhargrove, you have been a long time and you didnt know this?

Jay3
11-18-2011, 03:27 PM
when us Christians talk about him being the only way to heaven, that makes people uneasy as well.



.....and this goes to the WRP forum.......now

Which seems odd to me -- to cling to a belief that there is a "heaven," but to have strong feelings that one shouldn't profess a belief on how to get there.

Seems more natural to either think it's a fairy tale and move on, or come out with a competing pathway to heaven.

It's like people are guilty or something.

Houshyamama
11-18-2011, 03:30 PM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/atheists.png

Houshyamama
11-18-2011, 03:34 PM
I'm an atheist and I have no problem with what he does. He's just a kid who believes in God and isn't ashamed of it. It shows strength of character. Now, I think he's dead wrong about the whole thing... but he's got every right to be wrong.

Rolandftw
11-18-2011, 03:35 PM
Why is it all so personal though? If Tebow's beliefs bother people so much, you don't have to listen to his postgame interview or anything... not like he's going to say anything profound in them anyways.

It's like listening to a John Fox interview. For the most part, it's predictable.

Rolandftw
11-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Really think that you're overcomplicating a fairly simple point.
A point that doesn't need to be taken into theological debate to be understood.

But I digress, as I don't reall want to get into said theological debate.
I don't really think our views on religion are that different, Ive had the same thoughts about religions origins as you mentioned in your last sentences.

Might be right. All that matters is Tebow on the field. He's not going to embarrass himself off the field, or the team.

If he keeps getting better, then all this other stuff is just crap.

I hope the kid proves everyone wrong on the field.

Agamemnon
11-18-2011, 04:54 PM
I honestly can't comprehend why so many hate the guy for his religion. It's odd to me. And I had a Christian conservative upbringing that I moved away from, so I actually have a legitimate reason to dislike it. And when it comes to Tebow I just don't care. To me he seems to exemplify the best parts of Christianity, not the judgmental, dogmatic BS that people hate. Personally I'd love it if more Christians were like Tebow. That'd be great.

DomCasual
11-18-2011, 05:18 PM
And you used to have a sense of humor.

:Broncos:

No kidding. All he seems to be now is angry.

Wes Mantooth
11-18-2011, 05:20 PM
I honestly can't comprehend why so many hate the guy for his religion. It's odd to me. And I had a Christian conservative upbringing that I moved away from, so I actually have a legitimate reason to dislike it. And when it comes to Tebow I just don't care. To me he seems to exemplify the best parts of Christianity, not the judgmental, dogmatic BS that people hate. Personally I'd love it if more Christians were like Tebow. That'd be great.

You wouldn't believe how many people are just waiting for some bit of dirt to come up on him and are actually betting against his character.

Vegas_Bronco
11-18-2011, 05:31 PM
Gengis kahn would have destroyed this guy....sometimes absolute monarchy rule is a great idea simply bc tolerance doesn't go both ways.

Bronx33
11-18-2011, 06:00 PM
Really what does tim do religiously that makes people like this write articles like this we see athletes all the time pointing up and yes tebowing even before tebow came to the NFL now all of a sudden its an issue.

I think clowns like this writer and the media have drivin this stupid topic into the stratosphere and blown it completely out of proportion.

Bronx33
11-18-2011, 06:04 PM
I also hate people named cyd i don't know why but i hate em!! ( long article to follow) to justify my blind hate for people named cyd.


ohhhhhhhhh i hate cyds!!



Ps: CYD!!! the prayer circle was already happening tebow didn't create it CYD.


I HATE YOU CYD

bpc
11-18-2011, 08:47 PM
You mean this Ray Lewis?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GgDgR_BkJwo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I bet he has a 2 page rant about that interview too. No? He doesn't? Weird.

Hypocrisy is awesome.

Nobody will criticize an African American player praising god, because that would be racist.

Let's be honest, Tebow is white and he's a faithful Christian. IE, easy target for anybody, anywhere, any time.

Part of the reason it's so great to root for him as a player and person on my favorite team, helping them win along with enjoying all the idiots who get twisted about him.

bpc
11-18-2011, 08:56 PM
my take is this...

gays don't want to just be tolerated. they want to be accepted. they want their lifestyle choices affirmed and codified in the law. that's what all the BS about gay marriage and alot of other gay issues is really about. it's really all about them feeling better about themselves and their lifestyle.

the gays that don't give a **** what other people think (like you apparently) see how absurd it is to get caught up in that nonsense. you only get one life... go out an live it.

i can tolerate gays. it's their choice to make. i don't agree with them, but they have to live their life, not me, so who am i to tell them how to live. so long as they are not hurting anybody and not getting in my face about it, i don't lose one bit of sleep about them.

however, demanding the whole history of the species be re-written and the whole history of the country be changed, just to make them feel better is going a step too far and that's why alot of people in this country are resisting their over-the-top demands.

those angry gays hate religious people because religious people will tolerate them, but will never accept their life choices and re-define "normal" for their sake. if those gays were well-adjusted, they'd go about living their lives knowing full well that they have the freedom here to do so. but it's not about that to them. it's about something deep inside them that they don't feel good about. that's why they are so angry and hateful.

that's how i see it at least. i spent a bunch of years living out in the SF bay area and based on my experiences there, i'm pretty sure my explanation above holds true for alot of the really angry ones (like the ones that attack churches).

Really can't be stated better than this right here. Good job.

Shananahan
11-18-2011, 09:20 PM
I'm fairly certain it can be stated far better than that right there.

None of the dislike Tebow gets in the mainstream press has anything to do with 'the gays'.

TDmvp
11-18-2011, 09:26 PM
And for the record these are just about the only people I want to see wearing chaps be it @ssless/pantless or otherwise....

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/302304140_33db7a8583.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2691/21830582.jpg

ABA6776
11-18-2011, 09:28 PM
You mean this Ray Lewis?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GgDgR_BkJwo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I bet he has a 2 page rant about that interview too. No? He doesn't? Weird.

Hypocrisy is awesome.I think he meant THIS Ray Lewis...http://www.sptimes.com/News/012301/SuperBowl2001/_There_is_no_justice_.shtml

ABA6776
11-18-2011, 09:30 PM
You want a true example of something shoved down your throat? Try the mormons! I don't use the word "Religion" in the same sentence with them.

ABA6776
11-18-2011, 09:31 PM
I honestly can't comprehend why so many hate the guy for his religion. It's odd to me. And I had a Christian conservative upbringing that I moved away from, so I actually have a legitimate reason to dislike it. And when it comes to Tebow I just don't care. To me he seems to exemplify the best parts of Christianity, not the judgmental, dogmatic BS that people hate. Personally I'd love it if more Christians were like Tebow. That'd be great.I couldn't agree with you more!

cmhargrove
11-19-2011, 10:38 AM
Well, you are dense since you are totally confused twice in this thread. OP is a homo like Blart but he isnt gay like Blart. Gay? oh yes but he is the anti gay of gays. The "community" is his rainbow brigade. cmhargrove, you have been a long time and you didnt know this?

In all honesty, I'm really happy to be out of the loop on this one. At one time, this place was mostly about football...

The funny thing is the the author of the article seems to know so little (and therefore care so little) about the genuine-ness (word?) and true integrity of Tebow's faith. The dude backs up his belief with true "love" through his actions.

Anyway, this thread has been a little confusing, and I really don't care who is "gay," "straight," or whatever. I guess you get what you get in an Internet community - its all of our responsibility to try to live together in some sort of harmony, but I find it rather odd that the person crying for tolerance (from religious bigotry) seems to be the one with the most "intolerance."

Swedish Extrovert
11-19-2011, 11:32 AM
I like Tebow and I like that he has faith, but I really would be proud of him if he toned down the verbiage a little bit. The Bible calls on Christians to lead quietly by example and followers will see the example and follow accordingly. Realistically, Christianity is the first "speak softly and carry a big stick" religion.

ďAnd when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you"

Matthew 5:5-6

TonyR
11-19-2011, 11:51 AM
Let's be honest, Tebow is white and he's a faithful Christian. IE, easy target for anybody, anywhere, any time.

Wasn't Kurt Warner openly Christian? I don't recall him getting much hate for it. And I don't see Tebow being much, if any, more outward about it than Warner was.

cutthemdown
11-19-2011, 12:01 PM
What is funny is all he says is God bless you to people, and then credit his faith in the lord with where he gets his drive and strength from. He usually leaves it at that no?

Swedish Extrovert
11-19-2011, 12:02 PM
Wasn't Kurt Warner openly Christian? I don't recall him getting much hate for it. And I don't see Tebow being much, if any, more outward about it than Warner was.

The democrats lambasted him when he did that campaign commercial against Claire McCaskil and stem cell research in Missouri.

Swedish Extrovert
11-19-2011, 12:03 PM
What is funny is all he says is God bless you to people, and then credit his faith in the lord with where he gets his drive and strength from. He usually leaves it at that no?

Every interview he's done in the Denver media starts off with "First and foremost I want to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ."

bronco militia
11-19-2011, 01:00 PM
Every interview he's done in the Denver media starts off with "First and foremost I want to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ."

what a horrible thing to say...

SoCalBronco
11-19-2011, 01:11 PM
Every interview he's done in the Denver media starts off with "First and foremost I want to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ."

And?

epicSocialism4tw
11-19-2011, 01:12 PM
what a horrible thing to say...

Its just awful...horrible. Just an evil thing to do. Iran is developing nukes, but someone aknowledging their god above themselves? Awful.

TDmvp
11-19-2011, 01:13 PM
And?

Yea I know , the horror.

stopgap
11-19-2011, 01:48 PM
Toward the end of his career Evander Holyfield couldn't finish a post-fight interview without thanking (g)God in every sentence.

Given this was before the wave of required internet acceptance I still have to wonder why dolts delve on Tebow's views. It's not that big of a deal to me.

That blogger really needs to get laid.

Rohirrim
11-19-2011, 01:50 PM
Bob should use this thread to publicly come out.

TDmvp
11-19-2011, 01:51 PM
Bob should use this thread to publicly come out.



I thought he already had came out ???

Rolandftw
11-19-2011, 01:52 PM
I wonder what the perception would be if Tebow was Muslim and thanked Allah and the prophet Muhammad, of blessed memory, for every victory.

I'm guessing it would be even more negative.

TDmvp
11-19-2011, 02:04 PM
I wonder what the perception would be if Tebow was Muslim and thanked Allah and the prophet Muhammad, of blessed memory, for every victory.

I'm guessing it would be even more negative.



I would go opo and say if he was a Muslim and spoke about it a lot people wouldn't say a word bad about it or at least there would be no media stories dissing him for it.

It's that Tim a christian that people have a issue with I think. But if he was Muslim people would act totally different about it then they act about Tim's Christianity.


Christians are the ones you can kick in the head in the media and be praised in some circles for it.


And I say that as someone who's borderline atheist.

bowtown
11-19-2011, 02:09 PM
I would go opo and say if he was a Muslim and spoke about it a lot people wouldn't say a word bad about it or at least there would be no media stories dissing him for it.

It's that Tim a christian that people have a issue with I think. But if he was Muslim people would act totally different about it then they act about Tim's Christianity.


Christians are the ones you can kick in the head in the media and be praised in some circles for it.


And I say that as someone who's borderline atheist.

Sorry, but if there was a Muslim that came out and thanked Allah before every interview, people would be looking to string him up.

TDmvp
11-19-2011, 02:21 PM
Sorry, but if there was a Muslim that came out and thanked Allah before every interview, people would be looking to string him up.



Was more talking about the media/blogs would be ok with it / be silence about it out of fear of ramifications ... Be it bad press or violence...


I could be totally wrong tho.

bowtown
11-19-2011, 02:25 PM
Was more talking about the media/blogs would be ok with it / be silence about it out of fear of ramifications ... Be it bad press or violence...


I could be totally wrong tho.

Okay, yes I think I probably agree with that.

Broncos4me
11-19-2011, 02:35 PM
I like Tebow and I like that he has faith, but I really would be proud of him if he toned down the verbiage a little bit. The Bible calls on Christians to lead quietly by example and followers will see the example and follow accordingly. Realistically, Christianity is the first "speak softly and carry a big stick" religion.

ďAnd when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you"

Matthew 5:5-6

Jesus is not saying you should not pray in public, only that don't do it for the sake of getting glory and credit for it as hypocrites would do. The important part of faith is having a true heart, not just the appearance of it.

I have some friends who are far more knowledgeable about the Bible than I am and here's what one of their takes on this issue is:

"I think the part of the debate that asserts Tim shouldn't practice his faith in public is skewed. This view comes from a poor understanding of Matthew 6. ďWhenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward youĒ (Matthew 6:5-6). God is more interested in a faithful heart than in people who pray only for public accolades. Tim Tebow doesn't share his faith for accolades. In fact, I'm sure he knows that to publicly profess his belief in Jesus and how Jesus came to forgive the sins of all mankind will cause a lot of controversy. He is merely carrying out what Jesus told us (believers) to do, which is to share the gospel with everyone. We all have free will and God wants us to choose to accept Jesus. But if we don't, He won't make us. Tim is just following the Christian call to share the good news and to plant the seed of faith in anyone who will hear and believe."

Swedish Extrovert
11-19-2011, 02:46 PM
Its just awful...horrible. Just an evil thing to do. Iran is developing nukes, but someone aknowledging their god above themselves? Awful.

There's nothing wrong with it. I love the fact that Tebow recognizes that his athletic ability is a gift. But from a Christian perspective, if it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of those who haven't acknowledged God above themselves, it can be socially destructive.

Rolandftw
11-19-2011, 02:57 PM
Was more talking about the media/blogs would be ok with it / be silence about it out of fear of ramifications ... Be it bad press or violence...


I could be totally wrong tho.

I think the media and fans would be heavily questioning what Tim believed. He'd have to likely answer a lot of questions about 9/11, suicide bombers, etc. Where as a Christian, he doesn't have to answer questions about extremist Christians.

Think there's a lot more negative view of Muslims in society then there are Christians. This would be especially true, if he questioned Americans role in the Middle East as many Muslims have.

TDmvp
11-19-2011, 03:00 PM
I think the media and fans would be heavily questioning what Tim believed. He'd have to likely answer a lot of questions about 9/11, suicide bombers, etc. Where as a Christian, he doesn't have to answer questions about extremist Christians.

Think there's a lot more negative view of Muslims in society then there are Christians. This would be especially true, if he questioned Americans role in the Middle East as many Muslims have.

No one in the media would ask those questions you stated.

Not a chance.

Rolandftw
11-19-2011, 03:07 PM
Beg to disagree then. Think it's still a raw feeling for many Americans, and most know as little about Islam as they know about their own faith. Even in the media, I think it would be that way.

Not saying they'd ask him to take a lie detector test to prove his loyalty to the US, but if a well known player professed themselves to the faith that another group of people equally professed to and the latter group orchestrated the greatest terrorist attack in US history... there would be a strong interest in making sure that said player was more liberal in their beliefs.

Put it this way: If Tebow linked himself to the Muslim equivalent of "Focus on the Family," he would be MUCH more scrutinized then he currently is.

Bronx33
11-19-2011, 05:46 PM
CYD! i hate you!!! i don't know you personally but i hate you!!

vonqkilla
11-19-2011, 06:29 PM
Community is my favorite show, probably ever. Watch it.

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