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Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:06 AM
I took some screen grabs from NFL Replay, and folks, they don't lie. Decker dropped 2 perfectly thrown passes, and Royal dropped one and the completion to him was actually dropped but the refs didn't call it.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1062/decker1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/decker1.png/)

jhns
11-18-2011, 08:07 AM
Just so you know, you can post the full body and leave the title one character. Then I can read it without waiting!

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:09 AM
Just so you know, you can post the full body and leave the title one character. Then I can read it without waiting!

OK. I thought both had to be 1 character. More pics to follow.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:10 AM
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6525/decker2.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/412/decker2.png/)

Seriously, both of these pass should have been caught.

Jay3
11-18-2011, 08:13 AM
Agreed. Decker wasn't even that close to the sideline. NFL receivers all the time control their body, put their hands on it, and drag the toes.

He blew that touchdown early in the Detroit game -- needs serious work on his footwork around the boundary lines.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:14 AM
Here was Eddie Royal on 3rd and long. Notice 2 things: A) he didn't go deep enough on the route to get the first down; B) the CB was breaking on him, and Tebow put the ball where only Royal could get it.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4543/royal1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/royal1.png/)

Notice that the ball was already coming out even before the CB tried to swipe at it (and missed).

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5516/royal2q.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/403/royal2q.png/)

jhns
11-18-2011, 08:14 AM
I agree. It is insane how "fans" were putting these all on Tebow. Oubronco, tonyr, that vonqkiller guy, and many others are a bunch of clown haters. Tebow has stuff he needs to work on but many refuse to evaluate him fairly. It is pathetic.

There were actually people calling for Quinn and Orton in the game thread...

SureShot
11-18-2011, 08:16 AM
WRs are going to drop balls and QBs are going to miss throws. Tim missed some wide open recievers as well. I would like to see better timing and more touch on some of these plays. However the key is to not put our defense in bad situations.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:16 AM
And here was the actual drop that was almost intercepted by Revis. If Revis could make a play on the ball, then Eddie should have hauled it in.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6752/royal3.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/royal3.png/)

edog24
11-18-2011, 08:17 AM
I remember when Elway was in his early years the receivers had to learn to catch the bullets. He didn't have much touch. Tebow is the same way.

Let's face it, these WRs are below average bordering on poor IMO, but it's all we have to work with at this point.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 08:19 AM
...tonyr...

Show me an example of where I blamed any of those drops on Tebow. Just one example, that's all I ask.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:22 AM
Show me an example of where I blamed any of those drops on Tebow. Just one example, that's all I ask.

If you did, all is forgiven on account of your avatar. :notworthy

Jay3
11-18-2011, 08:22 AM
I think this is right on.

People need to understand that the point of this is not to absolve Tebow -- he's clearly got issues and will have to improve dramatically in the off season and over the next two years.

There is no mystery to solve if the question is "Does Tebow throw some pretty off-target, non-good throws?"

But it's important to look closely at whether the receiving corps is doing well because the Broncos need to evaluate HOW bad Tebow is. It's important -- they need to make a tough decision about investing in the kid.

So when people point out the receiver problems, it's not for blame as much as to show that there's reason for hope in Tebow's throwing.

HooptyHoops
11-18-2011, 08:27 AM
Yep, I talked to a Dolphin fan last night(around the 3rd quarter)...we talked about how boring the game was and he said, "Man, Decker is not having a very good game for you....he looks bad....he is better than that."

Even casual fans see this--the coaches have to see it.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:30 AM
I think this is right on.

People need to understand that the point of this is not to absolve Tebow -- he's clearly got issues and will have to improve dramatically in the off season and over the next two years.

There is no mystery to solve if the question is "Does Tebow throw some pretty off-target, non-good throws?"

But it's important to look closely at whether the receiving corps is doing well because the Broncos need to evaluate HOW bad Tebow is. It's important -- they need to make a tough decision about investing in the kid.

So when people point out the receiver problems, it's not for blame as much as to show that there's reason for hope in Tebow's throwing.

Exactly. I think Tebow is a better passer than the pundits would have you believe, but that doesn't mean he'll ever make it to the Pro Bowl in this pass-happy league.

We can acknowledge that Tebow has a lot of room for improvement as a passer. Statistically, he can't get much worse. But statistics only tell half the story - Dan Marino wrote the book on "Statistical Excellence" but never won a Super Bowl ring.

I think our WR's need to practice catching wobbly balls and worm burners, because that's what they're going to get from Tebow, at least this year. I have a feeling that they spend most of their time catching rainbows launched from a JUGGS machine. That's not gonna help anyone.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 08:33 AM
Decker looked like **** last night. In the future, he should make sure his gf isn't singing at half time in games he's playing in. His head just wasn't in the game.

sinuous sausage
11-18-2011, 08:35 AM
Exactly. I think Tebow is a better passer than the pundits would have you believe, but that doesn't mean he'll ever make it to the Pro Bowl in this pass-happy league.

We can acknowledge that Tebow has a lot of room for improvement as a passer. Statistically, he can't get much worse. But statistics only tell half the story - Dan Marino wrote the book on "Statistical Excellence" but never won a Super Bowl ring.

I think our WR's need to practice catching wobbly balls and worm burners, because that's what they're going to get from Tebow, at least this year. I have a feeling that they spend most of their time catching rainbows launched from a JUGGS machine. That's not gonna help anyone.

You have to admit, catching anything from a JUGGS machine has to be fun, not to mention rainbows.

Bigdawg26
11-18-2011, 08:36 AM
And here was the actual drop that was almost intercepted by Revis. If Revis could make a play on the ball, then Eddie should have hauled it in.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6752/royal3.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/royal3.png/)

In Royal's defense, that would have been an amazing catch if he would have caught it. You can't always blame WR's for drops because you have to have touch with a pass. They can't always be bullets!

jhns
11-18-2011, 08:37 AM
Show me an example of where I blamed any of those drops on Tebow. Just one example, that's all I ask.

Go look at the game thread. You were telling me I was wrong all night. Look at the conversation between Drek, yerner, and you. Drek points out the drops. Yerner says he is wrong. You come to defend yerner, saying Drek is normally a good poster but he is wrong.

Claim whatever you want troll. You should probably delete posts before you deny you made then though. Troll fail.

Your exact response to yerner claiming Drek is wrong about the drops:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3377837&postcount=1047

He's one of the better posters but he's bending a little too far backwards making excuses for Tebow. We all want him to succeed but sometimes you have to be realistic.

Realistic to trolls = blame Tebow for everything!

CEH
11-18-2011, 08:37 AM
Decker did not play well last night. A couple times he had first downs and dropped the ball. He had a bad game. Also not sure on 3rd and 2 why we run dive plays and then punt. Twice we had drives starting on the JYJ 41 and did nothing with run plays up the gut. Odd play calling . No play action passes on first down. Nothing. In the third qtr Tebow was 1-8. He had a clean pocket and missed several open WRs. Needs to get better in the non crunch time to make our team really something special. Offseason will be where Tebow will improve

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 08:44 AM
In Royal's defense, that would have been an amazing catch if he would have caught it. You can't always blame WR's for drops because you have to have touch with a pass. They can't always be bullets!

I agree. But the purists will say that if a receiver can get his hands on a ball, then (in a perfect world) he should catch it.

My point with this picture is that many of Tebow's incomplete passes are actually a lot closer than he gets credit for. You'd think that 90% of his passes are in the dirt or a mile off. Even when he's clearly throwing the ball away, the announcers typically say: "See, there's another misfire by Tebow."

No other QB in the NFL gets this kind of treatment.

edog24
11-18-2011, 08:58 AM
I agree. But the purists will say that if a receiver can get his hands on a ball, then (in a perfect world) he should catch it.

My point with this picture is that many of Tebow's incomplete passes are actually a lot closer than he gets credit for. You'd think that 90% of his passes are in the dirt or a mile off. Even when he's clearly throwing the ball away, the announcers typically say: "See, there's another misfire by Tebow."

No other QB in the NFL gets this kind of treatment.

Well quite a few of the dirt balls are actually great throws-they are only catchable by our players. Granted, they would have to be amazing catches, which our WRs rarely do, but they are not able to be intercepted.

I don't think Tebow will ever be an interception machine, which puts us in a great position to control the field and win the game.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Go look at the game thread. You were telling me I was wrong all night. Look at the conversation between Drek, yerner, and you. Drek points out the drops. Yerner says he is wrong. You come to defend yerner, saying Drek is normally a good poster but he is wrong.

Claim whatever you want troll. You should probably delete posts before you deny you made then though. Troll fail.

Your exact response to yerner claiming Drek is wrong about the drops:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3377837&postcount=1047




Realistic to trolls = blame Tebow for everything!


Maybe he's a Rams fan! Yikes!

RhymesayersDU
11-18-2011, 09:02 AM
Agreed. Decker wasn't even that close to the sideline. NFL receivers all the time control their body, put their hands on it, and drag the toes.

He blew that touchdown early in the Detroit game -- needs serious work on his footwork around the boundary lines.

Did he blow that TD? I only saw highlights of that game as I was out of town, but I thought it was a TD.

pricejj
11-18-2011, 09:05 AM
And here was the actual drop that was almost intercepted by Revis. If Revis could make a play on the ball, then Eddie should have hauled it in.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6752/royal3.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/royal3.png/)

1. This is not Eddie's fault, the ball "just a bit outside" as Bob Uecker would put it.

2. The two drops by Decker were purely Decker's fault...

3. The Thomas drop on the curl could have been caught, but it also trailed a couple yards in the air and was low, would have been a tough catch. I was in direct line of sight of it when it happened and put more of the blame on Tebow. He has to put the ball on the numbers.

4. The catch by Rosario on the last drive was a fairly poor throw (too low) and was an amazing catch.

Tebow was right, he has to execute better. He is showing improvement though, and that is what were looking for.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-18-2011, 09:07 AM
My thoughts from being at the game:

Decker #1- flat out should have caught it, on the flip side, wasn't exactly stoked by the throw at the same time either since it was a short pass at Decker's head, but that's one of the things I think Tim will get better at with experience.

Decker #2- wasn't in my seat to see it, won't comment on it.

Royal- was open, probably should have caught it even though he laid out. Tim's pass did not need to be low and away like it was, it never appeared to me that Revis was in position to make a play and break up the pass.

Popps
11-18-2011, 09:09 AM
Do we have to do this every game? Good lord. Tebow isn't a good passer yet. Period. Great guy, exciting player, A great Bronco. But, those were not easy catches. He needs to throw better. Why the need to sugar coat that?

edog24
11-18-2011, 09:11 AM
Did he blow that TD? I only saw highlights of that game as I was out of town, but I thought it was a TD.

Big time. Nobody calls it out because we got destroyed and it didn't matter, but he was focused on his TD celebration and took two giant steps and we didn't get the TD.

RhymesayersDU
11-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Big time. Nobody calls it out because we got destroyed and it didn't matter, but he was focused on his TD celebration and took two giant steps and we didn't get the TD.

Ah, OK. I saw it briefly and thought it was a bad call, but I didn't get any close up shots, etc.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Decker is, essentially, still a rookie. The same thing is being said about Tebow when he ****s up. And making sure you catch the ball AND stay in bounds is a lot harder than it looks on TV.

I think Decker will be fine. He'll get better, as will Tebow.

Royal? I'm afraid Royal's hands are just suspect. Pains me to say it.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Well quite a few of the dirt balls are actually great throws-they are only catchable by our players. Granted, they would have to be amazing catches, which our WRs rarely do, but they are not able to be intercepted.

I don't think Tebow will ever be an interception machine, which puts us in a great position to control the field and win the game.

The problem is that a lot of the balls he's throwing low like that, don't need to be. The Royal "drop" and the one to D Thomas last night are perfect examples of it. The guys were open on both of those plays.

Hell, maybe it's a confidence issue, and that he's still petrified he'll get picked if he's not throwing it like that?

Pick Six
11-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Do we have to do this every game? Good lord. Tebow isn't a good passer yet. Period. Great guy, exciting player, A great Bronco. But, those were not easy catches. He needs to throw better. Why the need to sugar coat that?

The proof of the above statement is that Decker was actually growing into a very good WR, under Orton. Under Tebow, he suddenly can't catch balls? Tebow still needs to work on his throws. Otherwise, he'll never be taken seriously as a complete quarterback. We have almost the reverse of Orton. A knock on Orton is that he can't run. Opponents didn't respect our running game...

edog24
11-18-2011, 09:18 AM
The problem is that a lot of the balls he's throwing low like that, don't need to be. The Royal "drop" and the one to D Thomas last night are perfect examples of it. The guys were open on both of those plays.

Hell, maybe it's a confidence issue, and that he's still petrified he'll get picked if he's not throwing it like that?

I think he is worried about getting picked. Hopefully he will start getting more liberal with where he places the throws.

teknic
11-18-2011, 09:20 AM
I remember when Elway was in his early years the receivers had to learn to catch the bullets. He didn't have much touch. Tebow is the same way.

Let's face it, these WRs are below average bordering on poor IMO, but it's all we have to work with at this point.

That's not really a fair comparison. Tebow's passes are just difficult to catch because they don't have a tight spiral and are rarely perfectly on target. The receivers have to adjust to the ball placement and also have great hands to grab the ugly spiral Tebow throws.

The receivers will get the hang of it with more repetitions in practice, and Tebow should be able to clean it up a bit if he learns to set his feet consistently. Once these receivers start making plays on the throws, this offense can be deadly.

jutang
11-18-2011, 09:21 AM
Tebow's reads and footwork actually look better to me than the miami and oakland game. His accuracy is still a little wild and really needs to throw with better touch. His velocity on some of those throws makes it tough to catch and he often led the receiver too much. He is still trying too hard and over thinking it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he puts it together in a couple more games.... Right when Cutler comes to town!

TonyR
11-18-2011, 09:56 AM
Go look at the game thread.

I never said anything close to "blame everything on Tebow". What I did do was laugh at those that were twisting themselves into pretzels blaming everybody else. I just get a kick out of you saying I hate a guy who's probably my favorite player on the team right now. How could you not like Tim Tebow? That doesn't preclude one from having concerns about his passing ability.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 09:59 AM
Why the need to sugar coat that?

Because you might get called a hater by jhns and Dr. Bronc, among others. And we certainly don't want that!

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 10:15 AM
We traded two receivers away who were known as reliable and even spectacular hands guys, and got relatively nothing in return.

The young guys at WR have got to step up and actually make some big plays.

Bahshay
11-18-2011, 10:38 AM
That's not really a fair comparison. Tebow's passes are just difficult to catch because they don't have a tight spiral and are rarely perfectly on target. The receivers have to adjust to the ball placement and also have great hands to grab the ugly spiral Tebow throws.

The receivers will get the hang of it with more repetitions in practice, and Tebow should be able to clean it up a bit if he learns to set his feet consistently. Once these receivers start making plays on the throws, this offense can be deadly.

This. Our receivers didn't just forget how to catch when Tebow came in.

I still think Tebow will be fine, but there is no reason to pretend he was accurate last night. Even some of the throws he completely required great catches. Still, his accuracy has already gotten much better since the first 2 games, so there is reasons for optimism.

We all know that every piece of our offense is a young, work-in-progress. As long as we are winning, lets just ride it out and see how much they improve over the course of the season.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 10:42 AM
What the team really needs is a left handed JUGGS machine with a bad wheel that shoots low.

edog24
11-18-2011, 10:45 AM
What the team really needs is a left handed JUGGS machine with a bad wheel that shoots low.

Lol, maybe that should be Orton's job, go take a hammer to the JUGGS machine!

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 10:48 AM
Because you might get called a hater by jhns and Dr. Bronc, among others. And we certainly don't want that!

Please. I remember when you and Popps were keeping busy as "fan police" during the McD era.

rock
11-18-2011, 10:50 AM
The receivers at UF didn't have these "problems".

Then again, it was David Nelson, Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez, Andre Caldwell, Louis Murphy, etc.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:51 AM
They are catchable balls not perfect balls. Doesn't matter what is exciting is their are yrds in the passing game, big plays, left on the field each of the last 2 games. Its only a matter of time before defense pays playing so much man to man.

This is a great great system to throw the ball out of people Tebow and the WR just need more time together. They need to get better catching passes that aren't perfect, and Tebow needs to throw a couple better balls here and there.

Seriously though its not hard with 9 guys in the box to go for big plays that have high reward low risk. Some of these bombs are going to hit. Right now we are like what 1-7 on the bombs over 3 games? something like that. The WR are there to make a play, its going to happen. I bet at some point Broncos bust 40 points on someone and the talking heads are going to be wow, we don't know what to say, Broncos are for real and the afc better watch out for the read option bomb attack of the Broncos.

Hell we can get as many 1 on 1 deep as we want I bet. We need a Calivn Johnson or Larry Fitz type that can just out fight guys for the ball. Thomas doesn't look like he did before he got hurt. Also a big fast TE who can get downfield would be great.

jhns
11-18-2011, 10:52 AM
I never said anything close to "blame everything on Tebow". What I did do was laugh at those that were twisting themselves into pretzels blaming everybody else. I just get a kick out of you saying I hate a guy who's probably my favorite player on the team right now. How could you not like Tim Tebow? That doesn't preclude one from having concerns about his passing ability.

You are one of the worst haters. What were you saying about me being wrong in the gameday thread again? Funny that you wouldn't clerify what you were going on about as Tebow was winning the game...

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Be awesome if we could get Harvin somehow. He would be deadly in this offense. Even vikings give him carries because he fast quick fluid runner.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 10:54 AM
BTW, I just looked it up and the correct company name is JUGS.

My bad for getting this wrong and spreading JUGS inaccuracies.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 10:57 AM
TONYR we all see the problems that not enough balls are being completed. The thing is though the plays are there to be made. Tebow needs to throw a little better and quite frankly we need some nice grabs as well. Too bad Lloyd was obviously vocal early in the yr he wanted orton or he would not be happy. The way he tweeted his joy was obvious. Then when Orton was benched he wasn't buying into as evidenced by what he said after he left. He said you can't win with Tebow pretty much.

So it sucks Lloyd did not want to be part of the Broncos. I say screw him though go languish in St Louis getting 80 balls a yr, 1000 yrds plus 7 plus tds and feeling good about yourself. Meanwhile you won't ever be in playoffs. Once Jackson is done, which is in next few yrs you can stick a fork in the Rams. Hell with that defense and over rated China Doll Qb you can stick a fork in them right now for the next 3 yrs.

Unless you have Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Roth, Eli, Rivers, you can't win throwing the ball all day anyways. They used to say you could not win without a good running game but teams like the pats and GB prove that wrong.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 11:14 AM
Please. I remember when you and Popps were keeping busy as "fan police" during the McD era.

To the extent this is even true the notable and relevant difference would be that Popps and I clearly don't "hate" Tim Tebow. In fact quite the contrary. But we are willing to admit his limitations and comment on his improvement needs. On the other hand people outwardly hated McD (among several others in the organization), although in hindsight some of that hate was well founded...

jhns
11-18-2011, 11:19 AM
To the extent this is even true the notable and relevant difference would be that Popps and I clearly don't "hate" Tim Tebow. In fact quite the contrary. But we are willing to admit his limitations and comment on his improvement needs. On the other hand people outwardly hated McD (among several others in the organization), although in hindsight some of that hate was well founded...

You mean you only talk about his limitations, while redusing to give him credit and see that there are other problems on offense. Then there is the whole, "you refuse to judge him the exact same as the seven year vet Orton!" thing... Again, you were going on about me being wrong about something in the game thread. You wouldn't tell me what that was because Tebow was busy making you eat your words before you could even post them.

Haters gonna hate.

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 11:22 AM
To the extent this is even true the notable and relevant difference would be that Popps and I clearly don't "hate" Tim Tebow. In fact quite the contrary. But we are willing to admit his limitations and comment on his improvement needs. On the other hand people outwardly hated McD (among several others in the organization), although in hindsight some of that hate was well founded...

My only comment was you worrying about other posters calling you out for being a "hater". You ran with the rest.

For the record...I agree with you. You were terribly off in your assessment of McD. The chest pounding between you, Popps, and Baja was comical after Nolan led the team to a 6-0 start in 2009.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 11:22 AM
TONYR we all see the problems...

I don't disagree with any of your post.

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 11:28 AM
TONYR we all see the problems that not enough balls are being completed. The thing is though the plays are there to be made. Tebow needs to throw a little better and quite frankly we need some nice grabs as well. Too bad Lloyd was obviously vocal early in the yr he wanted orton or he would not be happy. The way he tweeted his joy was obvious. Then when Orton was benched he wasn't buying into as evidenced by what he said after he left. He said you can't win with Tebow pretty much.

So it sucks Lloyd did not want to be part of the Broncos. I say screw him though go languish in St Louis getting 80 balls a yr, 1000 yrds plus 7 plus tds and feeling good about yourself. Meanwhile you won't ever be in playoffs. Once Jackson is done, which is in next few yrs you can stick a fork in the Rams. Hell with that defense and over rated China Doll Qb you can stick a fork in them right now for the next 3 yrs.

Unless you have Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Roth, Eli, Rivers, you can't win throwing the ball all day anyways. They used to say you could not win without a good running game but teams like the pats and GB prove that wrong.
100% agree. Both receivers and QB have much to prove and improve.

But all parties are young and there is reason to let them grow and develop. There is a lot of young talent on the offense, including the QB, WR, TE, and OL. The next 2 years will be important as the coaches bring them along.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 11:31 AM
100% agree. Both receivers and QB have much to prove and improve.

But all parties are young and there is reason to let them grow and develop. There is a lot of young talent on the offense, including the QB, WR, TE, and OL. The next 2 years will be important as the coaches bring them along.

The thing is the chances are big plays, we are leaving them on the field and are still 4-1. Our defense getting better and better. I think Tebow close to dropping a lot of points on someone and it could even end up being next week.

Team will now copy the jets taking out the pass rushers and putting in outside backers who can set the edge, 8-9 in the box, but that gives us 1 on 1 downfield. Only a matter of time before Tebow hits more of them. We have 1 already, its going to happen more.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 11:32 AM
I was fired up after the 6-0 start also. I always get fired up when Broncos win. I'm not going to sit and wonder if the win is worth getting excited about.

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 11:38 AM
I was fired up after the 6-0 start also. I always get fired up when Broncos win. I'm not going to sit and wonder if the win is worth getting excited about.

Not my point. I was excited about the start too. It was awesome.

But some posters were so determined to "prove" they were right about McD, spending 6 weeks trolling the boards and making this place unbearable.

Jay3
11-18-2011, 11:46 AM
If I was Eric Decker I would start to get embarrassed with how many times I'd been overthrown.

Steve Smith used to say "You can't overthrow me." As long as the ball was downfield, he finds a way to close on it.

Decker has no extra burst to close on a deep ball that's just outside his fingers.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 11:51 AM
You mean you only talk about his limitations, while redusing to give him credit and see that there are other problems on offense. Then there is the whole, "you refuse to judge him the exact same as the seven year vet Orton!" thing... Again, you were going on about me being wrong about something in the game thread. You wouldn't tell me what that was because Tebow was busy making you eat your words before you could even post them.

Tebow and the offense failed for most of the game. They had multiple opportunities provided by the D and ST and didn't take advantage of them. I'm not afraid to admit that the defense carried the team for most of the game. You consider this a slight of Tebow. I consider it reality. You make excuses and blame everyone else, I tell the unvarnished truth. And the fact that I was rooting for Tebow and the Broncos the whole time is probably worth noting here. Tebow came through on that last drive. I didn't expect it but that made it all the more enjoyable. And I hope you're right and I'm wrong about him. As I said during the game, I hope he makes me regret my doubts. He did. Thanks, Tim! Keep it coming! More, please!

gunns
11-18-2011, 11:57 AM
I took some screen grabs from NFL Replay, and folks, they don't lie. Decker dropped 2 perfectly thrown passes, and Royal dropped one and the completion to him was actually dropped but the refs didn't call it.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1062/decker1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/decker1.png/)

OMG! You mean to say they weren't perfect?

Not everyone see's what you see as far as perfectly thrown passes or "drops". And aren't you always crying because not everyone see's the perfect Tebow? He's not. But they have all come together to win some games and that is great. Kwityerbitchin

Dagmar
11-18-2011, 12:01 PM
Not my point. I was excited about the start too. It was awesome.

But some posters were so determined to "prove" they were right about McD, spending 6 weeks trolling the boards and making this place unbearable.

You don't think people still dwelling on it during this exciting time are not just as tiresome?

ZONA
11-18-2011, 12:02 PM
I remember when Elway was in his early years the receivers had to learn to catch the bullets. He didn't have much touch. Tebow is the same way.

Let's face it, these WRs are below average bordering on poor IMO, but it's all we have to work with at this point.

You're an idiot. Decker is tied for the league high in TD's I believe and Royal is a very solid WR. Thomas is young and has been injured but has a very high ceiling.

It was a combination of both if you ask me. Some lagit drops but some of those passes were not in good position for easy catches. That one where Royal was laid out, that's a frickin hard catch to make.

But seriously, you think all our WR's are below average. No offense bro but you're judgement is piss poor.

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:06 PM
Tebow and the offense failed for most of the game. They had multiple opportunities provided by the D and ST and didn't take advantage of them. I'm not afraid to admit that the defense carried the team for most of the game. You consider this a slight of Tebow. I consider it reality. You make excuses and blame everyone else, I tell the unvarnished truth. And the fact that I was rooting for Tebow and the Broncos the whole time is probably worth noting here. Tebow came through on that last drive. I didn't expect it but that made it all the more enjoyable. And I hope you're right and I'm wrong about him. As I said during the game, I hope he makes me regret my doubts. He did. Thanks, Tim! Keep it coming! More, please!

The defense didn't just suddenly get good. They are playing great football. They are doing so because the offense is helping them a lot. You are a clown.

You can say whatever you want. Tebow took over a 1-4 team.

ScottXray
11-18-2011, 12:07 PM
You're an idiot. Decker is tied for the league high in TD's I believe and Royal is a very solid WR. Thomas is young and has been injured but has a very high ceiling.

It was a combination of both if you ask me. Some lagit drops but some of those passes were not in good position for easy catches. That one where Royal was laid out, that's a frickin hard catch to make.

But seriously, you think all our WR's are below average. No offense bro but you're judgement is piss poor.

No doubt Tebow could make some of those throws a bit easier to catch...but then he would have to get them closer to the defender also. Eventually he is going to develope those skills but for now I'll take the wins. And if we lose games becasue the recievers drop easily catcheable balls ( not the case too much yesterday) then we can call out the receivers.

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:10 PM
You're an idiot. Decker is tied for the league high in TD's I believe and Royal is a very solid WR. Thomas is young and has been injured but has a very high ceiling.

It was a combination of both if you ask me. Some lagit drops but some of those passes were not in good position for easy catches. That one where Royal was laid out, that's a frickin hard catch to make.

But seriously, you think all our WR's are below average. No offense bro but you're judgement is piss poor.

They are below average. We have a bunch of guys that should be two and three receivers. That Royal pass wasn't a bad drop but you are blind if you claim there haven't been far too many drops.

gunns
11-18-2011, 12:13 PM
You're an idiot. Decker is tied for the league high in TD's I believe and Royal is a very solid WR. Thomas is young and has been injured but has a very high ceiling.

It was a combination of both if you ask me. Some lagit drops but some of those passes were not in good position for easy catches. That one where Royal was laid out, that's a frickin hard catch to make.

But seriously, you think all our WR's are below average. No offense bro but you're judgement is piss poor.

Thank you for saying what I was going to reply with.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 12:14 PM
They are doing so because the offense is helping them a lot.

LOL Did you even watch the game? The O did very little to help the D last night after the first drive. They couldn't get a first down for most of the first 3 quarters. There was a lot of concern about the D wearing down. And I'm the clown?!? Come on, bro. Not one of your better takes.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 12:15 PM
They are below average. We have a bunch of guys that should be two and three receivers.

Now on this we agree. But it goes both ways. Tebow and the WR's need to help each other.

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:16 PM
LOL Did you even watch the game? The O did very little to help the D last night after the first drive. They couldn't get a first down for most of the first 3 quarters. There was a lot of concern about the D wearing down. And I'm the clown?!? Come on, bro. Not one of your better takes.

You don't understand football. You continually tell me how wrong I am and I am always proven right. So, yes, you are a clown.

The defense only wants to play for Tebow!

TonyR
11-18-2011, 12:18 PM
You don't understand football. You continually tell me how wrong I am and I am always proven right. So, yes, you are a clown.

Hilarious! So the O was the reason the D was good last night? You're sticking with that argument? Hilarious!

Dedhed
11-18-2011, 12:19 PM
Why the need to sugar coat that?

I think most people readily admit that Tebow has to greatly improve his timing and accuracy throwing the ball.

That doesn't change the fact that the WRs have dropped more than their share of catchable balls. Why the need to sugar coat that?

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:19 PM
ROFL So the O was the reason the D was good last night? You're sticking with that argument? ROFL

That is exactly what I said!

Tebow has nothing to dp with the season being turned around! Screw the facts!

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 12:23 PM
You don't think people still dwelling on it during this exciting time are not just as tiresome?

Yup, the trolling is tiresome. Cutler, McD, Shanny...it's all old.

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:23 PM
I think most people readily admit that Tebow has to greatly improve his timing and accuracy throwing the ball.

That doesn't change the fact that the WRs have dropped more than their share of catchable balls. Why the need to sugar coat that?

Part of it is that you are talking to one of the dumbest posters on the board. The rest is thats heters have no choice but to hate.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 12:31 PM
That is exactly what I said!

Yes, exactly what you said incorrectly with respect to last night's game. Which is the current topic of conversation. Follow along, jhns. Yes, the O has been part of the reason for the D's improvement this season. But it would be hard to credit the O with last night's defensive performance. I know sometimes communication can be hard for you youngsters. I suggest taking a deep breath between every sentence you read. Inhale through the nose, hold for a few seconds, exhale through the mouth.

yerner
11-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Seems we got spoiled watching Brandon Lloyd bailing Tebow out. Those passes were not good. Some drops sure, but the ball is not coming to them in a tight spiral and in stride like it should.

I'm hoping that this is just a slight regression before a gradual improvement coming from Tebow adjusting to the game speed and new arm motion he is trying to use because honestly I think he looks worse than he was last year delivering the football.

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:35 PM
Yes, exactly what you said incorrectly with respect to last night's game. Which is the current topic of conversation. Follow along, jhns. Yes, the O has been part of the reason for the D's improvement this season. But it would be hard to credit the O with last night's defensive performance. I know sometimes communication can be hard for you youngsters. I suggest taking a deep breath between every sentence you read. Inhale through the nose, hold for a few seconds, exhale through the mouth.

Most of Tebows games have looked like this. We are winning. You say the pattern isn't because of Tebow.

Any running offense, that doesn't turn the ball over, is an offense that defensive teams love. There is a reason that they love these offenses.

Haters gonna hate...

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Seems we got spoiled watching Brandon Lloyd bailing Tebow out. Those passes were not good. Some drops sure, but the ball is not coming to them in a tight spiral and in stride like it should.

I'm hoping that this is just a slight regression before a gradual improvement coming from Tebow adjusting to the game speed and new arm motion he is trying to use because honestly I think he looks worse than he was last year delivering the football.

You are an idiot.

There are about three QBs that would fit what you are claiming Tebow should be. NFL receivers are expected to make those catches. Every QB throws those kinds of balls. Your hate has made you dumber than usual.

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Seems we got spoiled watching Brandon Lloyd bailing Tebow out. Those passes were not good. Some drops sure, but the ball is not coming to them in a tight spiral and in stride like it should.

I'm hoping that this is just a slight regression before a gradual improvement coming from Tebow adjusting to the game speed and new arm motion he is trying to use because honestly I think he looks worse than he was last year delivering the football.

Don't you mean Orton? Did Tebow even play a full game with Lloyd before he bitched out of town?

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 12:40 PM
They are below average. We have a bunch of guys that should be two and three receivers. That Royal pass wasn't a bad drop but you are blind if you claim there haven't been far too many drops.

Yep too bad Lloyd didn't want to try this experiment. I agree with trading him though because Broncos are all about the team and don't need any negative people. We need a Larry Fitz, or a Calvin Johnson. I know a tall order considering they are so awesome but Steelers found Wallace, Bengals Green, we need a big time number 1 so that are role player WR like Royal and Decker can shine.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 12:43 PM
You are an idiot.

There are about three QBs that would fit what you are claiming Tebow should be. NFL receivers are expected to make those catches. Every QB throws those kinds of balls. Your hate has made you dumber than usual.

I think its only a matter of time. Defense keep letting WR get behind them eventually we get tds. Already got one to win a game. There are plays out there for the Broncos to make, just a little off. It will come. We just faced a defense that probably is suited to stopping us more then most. Tebow reads the defense well in this offense and still burned them at then end by executing the offense. Meantime the game goes by fast, not a lot of possessions. Are 3 and outs with Orton took 45 seconds. With Tebow they still take a few minutes off the clock.

People need to understand how big 1 or 2 less possessions a game is for an offense.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 12:43 PM
Any running offense, that doesn't turn the ball over, is an offense that defensive teams love. There is a reason that they love these offenses.

LOL It's cute how you think you know what you're talking about. What the defense "loves" is an offense that keeps them off the field. You're correct on the turnover part, but three and outs don't keep them off the field. The O wasn't making first downs for most of last night, jhns! What is so difficult for you to understand here? It's not running that helps the O. It's ball control. When you don't convert 3rd downs you don't control the ball. The Broncos were 3-13 on 3rd down conversions last night. I'm always here to help you out, jhns. Just give me a shout!

jhns
11-18-2011, 12:45 PM
[QUOTE=jhns;3379928]
Any running offense, that doesn't turn the ball over, is an offense that defensive teams love. There is a reason that they love these offenses. /QUOTE]

LOL It's cute how you think you know what you're talking about. What the defense "loves" is an offense that keeps them off the field. You're correct on the turnover part, but three and outs don't keep them off the field. The O wasn't making first downs for most of last night, jhns! What is so difficult for you to understand here? It's not running that helps the O. It's ball control. When you don't convert 3rd downs you don't control the ball. The Broncos were 3-13 on 3rd down conversions last night. I'm always here to help you out, jhns. Just give me a shout!

LOL at Mr Tebow hating McFan telling me that I don't know football.

Why don't we compare our takes on issues over the past few years?

Sure Tony. The defense just decided to suddenly get good now. Maybe Orton shouldn't have been pissing in their cereal for drunken pranks.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 01:00 PM
Why don't we compare our takes on issues over the past few years?

No, why don't we compare out takes on this issue. Stop obfuscating, you're not fooling anyone. Other than not turning the ball over, how did Tebow and the offense help the defense last night? The first drive was good, the last drive was great. In between was a bit of a struggle. Here, I'll help you out by posting the play by play:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=311117007&period=0

enjolras
11-18-2011, 01:33 PM
Don't you mean Orton? Did Tebow even play a full game with Lloyd before he b****ed out of town?

3 of them last year and 1/2 this year.

enjolras
11-18-2011, 01:43 PM
The offense is certainly contributing to the defenses rise. They almost never leave them in a short-field (very few turnovers) which plays to the defenses strengths. It's really a combination of a few things:

1) The offense doesn't turn the ball over, which means the defense is rarely playing a short field. This plays well to their strengths in rushing the passer and clamping down on the run. They simply have more opportunities to make drive-ending plays due to the longer field they are defending.

2) Special teams. Britton Colquitt is the best punter in the league. Denvers coverage units, which have been atrocious for many years, are suddenly a strength. Colquitt sends it deep and the coverage team almost always makes a quick stop. This leads to long fields (see #1).

3) Even on the 3 and outs, the offense is playing longer. One thing you notice seeing the games live (much more than at home) is that teams that run 3 times almost always make it to the next TV timeout.

3 passes and out means a 2 minute break for the defense. It happens so quickly that the network doesn't break for commercial.

Those grind-it-out running plays take just enough time off the clock to get them to break for commercial after the punt. I have to believe an extra few minutes of rest is big for the defense.

DarkHorse
11-18-2011, 01:46 PM
I don't think Decker is a bad WR at all, in fact I really like the way he plays.


Revis and Cromartie

jhns
11-18-2011, 01:49 PM
The offense is certainly contributing to the defenses rise. They almost never leave them in a short-field (very few turnovers) which plays to the defenses strengths. It's really a combination of a few things:

1) The offense doesn't turn the ball over, which means the defense is rarely playing a short field. This plays well to their strengths in rushing the passer and clamping down on the run. They simply have more opportunities to make drive-ending plays due to the longer field they are defending.

2) Special teams. Britton Colquitt is the best punter in the league. Denvers coverage units, which have been atrocious for many years, are suddenly a strength. Colquitt sends it deep and the coverage team almost always makes a quick stop. This leads to long fields (see #1).

3) Even on the 3 and outs, the offense is playing longer. One thing you notice seeing the games live (much more than at home) is that teams that run 3 times almost always make it to the next TV timeout.

3 passes and out means a 2 minute break for the defense. It happens so quickly that the network doesn't break for commercial.

Those grind-it-out running plays take just enough time off the clock to get them to break for commercial after the punt. I have to believe an extra few minutes of rest is big for the defense.

Pretty much this. Rushing for more than 100 yards in every game is pretty huge as well. It isn't just running, it is running it well. This past game was worse than others but you could tell McGahee wasn't himself.

I don't have time now, but I would bet the average number of drives that the defense has faced under Tebow is less than with Orton.

You run well, don't turn it over, and score when it matters. The perfect offense for a defensive minded team.

jhns
11-18-2011, 01:52 PM
No, why don't we compare out takes on this issue. Stop obfuscating, you're not fooling anyone. Other than not turning the ball over, how did Tebow and the offense help the defense last night? The first drive was good, the last drive was great. In between was a bit of a struggle. Here, I'll help you out by posting the play by play:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=311117007&period=0

You claim I don't know football and then want to skip proving it? One would think you would jump at the chance...

Haters gonna hate.

cutthemdown
11-18-2011, 01:53 PM
LOL It's cute how you think you know what you're talking about. What the defense "loves" is an offense that keeps them off the field. You're correct on the turnover part, but three and outs don't keep them off the field. The O wasn't making first downs for most of last night, jhns! What is so difficult for you to understand here? It's not running that helps the O. It's ball control. When you don't convert 3rd downs you don't control the ball. The Broncos were 3-13 on 3rd down conversions last night. I'm always here to help you out, jhns. Just give me a shout!

Obviously the big DT Pahou or whatever his name is just dominated our center all night long.

jhns
11-18-2011, 02:08 PM
I forget who said this last week, but it is the perfect description of haters like Tony.

When Orton was in, the entire team sucked. The rest of the team made it too hard for Orton to win. Now, the problem is at QB. After giving away the best receivers, the receivers are now great. After having no run game, the line suddenly learned to block great. The defense that lost us every game is now responsible for wins. Tebow isn't making those around him better, everyone just suddenly learned to play football by sprinkling magic fairy dust all over the locker room.

Orton was just that bad. Tebow is helping this team win games. Suck it haters.

Agamemnon
11-18-2011, 04:06 PM
I think this is right on.

People need to understand that the point of this is not to absolve Tebow -- he's clearly got issues and will have to improve dramatically in the off season and over the next two years.

There is no mystery to solve if the question is "Does Tebow throw some pretty off-target, non-good throws?"

But it's important to look closely at whether the receiving corps is doing well because the Broncos need to evaluate HOW bad Tebow is. It's important -- they need to make a tough decision about investing in the kid.

So when people point out the receiver problems, it's not for blame as much as to show that there's reason for hope in Tebow's throwing.

It's also important to assess the receivers' play, separate from the QB. Right now it's pretty freaking awful, Tebow or no Tebow. And it's not just the drops. It's poor route running. It's regularly failing to hustle when Tebow scrambles out of the pocket. It's just bad all the way around. Receiver is a big need for us at this point. Decker is our best receiver right now, and that's scary to be honest (not bashing Decker, he's got potential, he's just woefully erratic and inconsistent right now).

Next season we have DT, Decker, and Willis. Royal won't get re-signed. That's a miserable corps of receivers no matter how you slice it. And if Tebow is to have any chance to become a good passer in the NFL, that just isn't going to get it done. Period.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 04:06 PM
I'm hoping that this is just a slight regression before a gradual improvement coming from Tebow adjusting to the game speed and new arm motion he is trying to use because honestly I think he looks worse than he was last year delivering the football.

One theory out there is maybe too many "experts" have been f-ing around with Tebow's mechanics but it's too late in the game to do this...and perhaps even dumb. Like telling Lance Armstrong after his 4th Tour de France victory: "Lance, you need to start pedaling the bike differently. It'll feel really strange at first, but after a year or two, you'll hardly notice."

Skip Bayless has noted that when Tebow is operating from the shotgun with 4 and 5 receiver sets and he can scramble around and move to the left, he's VERY accurate. But McCoy has him making lots of throws from a traditional NFL pocket.

Agamemnon
11-18-2011, 04:11 PM
I don't think Decker is a bad WR at all, in fact I really like the way he plays.


Revis and Cromartie

He's shown a lot of potential at this point. But he's far from a good NFL receiver right now. He wouldn't even be the #2 guy on most teams, and he's our #1 right now. That's woeful.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 04:58 PM
This past game was worse than others...

For those following along at home, since this is pretty much what I've been saying I, think this is jhns subtle way of waiving the white flag and admitting I was right and he was wrong. And now we can all move on with our lives...

TonyR
11-18-2011, 05:00 PM
I forget who said this last week, but it is the perfect description of haters like Tony.

When Orton was in, the entire team sucked.

Your argument is great except for the fact that I agree that the team is better with Tebow. So you're basically arguing with yourself. In other words, you really don't have a point here.

Popps
11-18-2011, 05:24 PM
I don't think Decker is a bad WR at all, in fact I really like the way he plays.


Revis and Cromartie

Yea, I think Decker as a nice night with a few better throws last night. He's a great asset to the team. We need a true #1, though... and Thomas sure looks disinterested at this point. It's so bizarre, because he came out of school with such high marks for work ethic and character. Not sure if he's playing soft because he's hurting or what.

GreatBronco16
11-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Yea, I think Decker as a nice night with a few better throws last night.

Yeah, I think Decker has a nice night if he catches the balls that hit him in the ****ing hands.

Bronx33
11-18-2011, 05:55 PM
Not trying to be a dick but whats this thread suppose to prove we all watched in real time the dropped passes we also watch a few inaccurate dirt balls.

DarkHorse
11-18-2011, 06:00 PM
Since we always have 3rd and long'ish why don't we:


1) Bring Orton in on 1st down to throw the ball. Will confuse defenses as they have to play the pass now

2) Bring Quinn in on 2nd down to confuse the defense with a scatterbrain QB. Will confuse the defense as they will be wondering if we are serious. May waste time outs as well.

3) Let Tebow clean them up on 3rd down

Turd_Ferguson
11-18-2011, 07:08 PM
Not trying to be a dick but whats this thread suppose to prove we all watched in real time the dropped passes we also watch a few inaccurate dirt balls.

Dude, this is every thread on here. You have to fall under one of 2 classes. You're a bigot Tebow hater, or you like Tebow and viciously defend him even to the extent of calling his teammates bums. I watched the game from the South Stands last night. It was epic. I'm not a Tebow fan but when he rolled out of the pocket and you could see open field all the way to the end zone it was awesome. That place exploded, it was electric. First regular season game I have been to that they have won! (I have only gotten to go to 3, Green Bay monday nighter when Favre threw OT bomb, Jets game last year, Jets game last night)

In the post game interview Tebow thanked God, and then his TEAMMATES, and then he said he needed to improve so he could do a better job getting them the ball. He never once answered a question with "My receivers make me look bad" . . . Its just sad his biggest fans can't be as gracious.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 07:46 PM
Dude, that's not why I started this thread. I just wanted to have some photographs as a starting point for discussion. If you listen to the numbnuts on ESPN and the NFL Network, it's as if they've never broken down a frame of video or used a shuttle jog dial. If a Tebow-thrown pass hits the turf, in their world there's only 1 explanation: Tebow can't throw.

If we have proof that Decker or Royal or whoever dropped the ball, then we don't need to waste time debating whether Decker or Royal or whoever dropped the ball... 'cause the pixels don't lie.

Bronx33
11-18-2011, 07:52 PM
Dude, that's not why I started this thread. I just wanted to have some photographs as a starting point for discussion. If you listen to the numbnuts on ESPN and the NFL Network, it's as if they've never broken down a frame of video or used a shuttle jog dial. If a Tebow-thrown pass hits the turf, in their world there's only 1 explanation: Tebow can't throw.

If we have proof that Decker or Royal or whoever dropped the ball, then we don't need to waste time debating whether Decker or Royal or whoever dropped the ball... 'cause the pixels don't lie.


You underestimate the mane pad won.

Jekyll15Hyde
11-18-2011, 09:15 PM
I took some screen grabs from NFL Replay, and folks, they don't lie. Decker dropped 2 perfectly thrown passes, and Royal dropped one and the completion to him was actually dropped but the refs didn't call it.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1062/decker1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/decker1.png/)

There were a lot of drops but that first one is behind him and a little high. That one is on Tebow

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 10:24 PM
There were a lot of drops but that first one is behind him and a little high. That one is on Tebow

Are you serious? If you play this throw back, you'll see that it hits Decker right in the hands, and then he proceeds to drop it as he pulls it down. It's plain as day. Trust me.

I'd throw out a :facepalm if one were available. Sheesh!

KipCorrington25
11-18-2011, 10:55 PM
There were a lot of drops but that first one is behind him and a little high. That one is on Tebow

Wow, really, have you ever worn a jock before? No pass is perfect, your job is to catch the ball. That's as good as it get 90% of the time.

TailgateNut
11-19-2011, 12:34 AM
Do we have to do this every game? Good lord. Tebow isn't a good passer yet. Period. Great guy, exciting player, A great Bronco. But, those were not easy catches. He needs to throw better. Why the need to sugar coat that?


'cause ya can't blame Timmy for anything but "the win". ;D

Bronco Yoda
11-19-2011, 01:19 AM
What the team really needs is a left handed JUGGS machine with a bad wheel that shoots low.

Are we still talking football equipment here or one of Ortons previous 4:00 a.m. party beer goggle forays?

TomServo
11-19-2011, 01:42 AM
i have photographic evidence of bigfoot. its as rare as a TT tight spiral.
But i Kid!! i want TT to lead the broncos to victories too but damn, the kid cant throw a football consistently(Yet).

dsmoot
11-19-2011, 03:07 AM
My thoughts from being at the game:

Decker #1- flat out should have caught it, on the flip side, wasn't exactly stoked by the throw at the same time either since it was a short pass at Decker's head, but that's one of the things I think Tim will get better at with experience.

Decker #2- wasn't in my seat to see it, won't comment on it.

Royal- was open, probably should have caught it even though he laid out. Tim's pass did not need to be low and away like it was, it never appeared to me that Revis was in position to make a play and break up the pass.

On the Royal throw, Considering who was in coverage I would be less likely to fault Tebow for a throw a little outside.

KevinJames
11-19-2011, 03:50 AM
And here was the actual drop that was almost intercepted by Revis. If Revis could make a play on the ball, then Eddie should have hauled it in.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6752/royal3.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/royal3.png/)

Also notice how the ball is still away from Eddie's hands after he fully extends his body and leaps for the ball, this was just a bad pass.

look please don't throw our Broncos under the bus just to defend Tebow.

sure our WRs had 2-3 drops for sure but this one was not.

Armchair Bronco
11-19-2011, 05:06 AM
Also notice how the ball is still away from Eddie's hands after he fully extends his body and leaps for the ball, this was just a bad pass.

look please don't throw our Broncos under the bus just to defend Tebow.

sure our WRs had 2-3 drops for sure but this one was not.

I'm not throwing anyone under the bus. It would have been a great catch. However, if you follow the play through, Eddie somehow manages to keep the ball alive when he hits the ground, so much so that Revis almost manages to steal it for an INT as Royal is bobbling it around.

On this one, my point is that if Eddie manages to keep the ball alive *AND* Revis is able to make a play on it from Eddie's hands, then it means that Tebow's throw WASN'T complete and utter crap.

barryr
11-19-2011, 05:57 AM
'cause ya can't blame Timmy for anything but "the win". ;D

You are happier when the team loses.

Jekyll15Hyde
11-19-2011, 08:09 AM
Are you serious? If you play this throw back, you'll see that it hits Decker right in the hands, and then he proceeds to drop it as he pulls it down. It's plain as day. Trust me.

I'd throw out a :facepalm if one were available. Sheesh!

I am absolutely serious. Should he have caught it? Yes, he should have. Was it catch-able? Yes it was. Was it also a little high and behind him? Yes it was. I watched the throw plenty of times. Get it over it. There were lots of drops but not each and every drop was 100% the receivers faults.

Jekyll15Hyde
11-19-2011, 08:13 AM
Wow, really, have you ever worn a jock before? No pass is perfect, your job is to catch the ball. That's as good as it get 90% of the time.

Yes, I have. Maybe I shouldn't have said it was completely on Tebow as Decker should have caught it. But there is no doubt that he had to break stride, reach up and behind him to make that catch. A ball that at least leads him would have given him a better chance and if he drops that, then he gets 100% of blame.

errand
11-19-2011, 10:39 AM
My only comment was you worrying about other posters calling you out for being a "hater". You ran with the rest.

For the record...I agree with you. You were terribly off in your assessment of McD. The chest pounding between you, Popps, and Baja was comical after Nolan led the team to a 6-0 start in 2009.

so if nolan's d led us to the 6-0 start in '09...could one not also argue they were more culpable in our 2-8 finish as well? i mean they gave up like 9 points a game after the first 6....but at end of season they had averaged almost 4 TD's per game allowed.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-19-2011, 10:41 AM
On the Royal throw, Considering who was in coverage I would be less likely to fault Tebow for a throw a little outside.

It was way outside, and Revis really wasn't that close to Royal either when the pass was thrown.

CEH
11-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Decker said after the game he should have caught most of those passes. He had a bad game. He knows it and we saw it

What I have issue with is starting at midfield or inside 5 times and scoring 3 points. Cannot do that and expect to win most games. Couldn't even get close enough for Prater. Luckily the defense outscored the offense for the first 55 minutes

errand
11-19-2011, 11:04 AM
LOL Did you even watch the game? The O did very little to help the D last night after the first drive. They couldn't get a first down for most of the first 3 quarters. There was a lot of concern about the D wearing down. And I'm the clown?!? Come on, bro. Not one of your better takes.

Yeah, the offense help the d alright....

We got stopped at Jets 21 on 4th and about 1....

Scored a Fg after D and ST's got us ball on NY34....

Fumbled the ball after D had us set up on DEN43...

ST's set us up on NY39 with great KO return....in fact we punted from the freaking NY38...

Started on NY48...punted from the NY48.

3 and out on next series, Jets get ball back, and d forces them to attempt 61 yard FG...

A couple of possesions later we got ball at NY49...punted from same NY49.

Defense gave us our first TD with goodman's pick six...
got ball again on NY43...punted from NY43.

Another 3 and out series followed...and another...

then tebow and the offense finally woke up and did more than pick their asses and drove it 95 yards downfield for GW TD...

Seems to me the offense was being constantly fed great field position, but had only 3 points to show for it until that last drive.

errand
11-19-2011, 11:13 AM
Haven't read the entire thread, but gonna ask this...(sorry if it was already posed prior)

So has anyone bitched about how Tim telegraphed that screen lateral on first play of the GW drive that almost ended up as a safety due to Leonhard diagnosing it easily, but wasn;'t due to the oft-maligned Eddie royal breaking the tackle....turning a potential 15-10 Jets lead, and them getting ball back scenario into a manageable 2nd and 2 from the DEN 13?

so **** you guys bitching about Eddie dropping a not so accurate pass...he saved timmy's ass on that play...and in my humble opinion, getting out of the shadow of your own goal posts is probably the most important play of a drive that starts inside the 5.

Cito Pelon
11-19-2011, 11:27 AM
My crystal ball tells me Tebow will get his average up once he gets the reps and starts feeling comfortable. Once the completion % goes up, then of course the yds/gm will go up.

We've seen him make some pretty throws already, it's just a matter of time before he gets more consistent.

Jetmeck
11-19-2011, 11:37 AM
Decker said after the game he should have caught most of those passes. He had a bad game. He knows it and we saw it

What I have issue with is starting at midfield or inside 5 times and scoring 3 points. Cannot do that and expect to win most games. Couldn't even get close enough for Prater. Luckily the defense outscored the offense for the first 55 minutes

Exactly right...............

Cito Pelon
11-19-2011, 12:20 PM
Decker said after the game he should have caught most of those passes. He had a bad game. He knows it and we saw it

What I have issue with is starting at midfield or inside 5 times and scoring 3 points. Cannot do that and expect to win most games. Couldn't even get close enough for Prater. Luckily the defense outscored the offense for the first 55 minutes

Yeah, it was a crappy offensive game. Must be some kind of conspiracy behind it. Actually, Decker might be in on the conspiracy, otherwise, why would he drop those balls?

Armchair Bronco
11-19-2011, 04:11 PM
I am absolutely serious. Should he have caught it? Yes, he should have. Was it catch-able? Yes it was. Was it also a little high and behind him? Yes it was. I watched the throw plenty of times. Get it over it. There were lots of drops but not each and every drop was 100% the receivers faults.

Yeah, maybe you're right. Come to think of it, this pass from Montana to Dwight Clark was also a little high and maybe behind him too. In fact, by any measure it was a bad pass. And really, Dwight should have dropped it as a way of telling Montana to throw better passes.

Thanks for helping me see the light! Rep to be given real soon!

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