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SonOfLe-loLang
11-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Read any mainstream media article, and they all say the same thing. Tim was horrible all game until the 4th.

Was he "horrible" in the first half? He was 5 of 7 (if i recall) and one of those incompletions was a decker drop. He had a horrible third quarter and beginning of the 4th, but the first half? They didn't score much, but its because the Jets did a great job against our running attack and McCoy loses sight that the reason the broncos run offense can be effective is because of Tebow, so calling 4th and 1 plays where Tim is not an option is DUMB.

Archer81
11-17-2011, 11:05 PM
The game was a defensive fight. Neither offense looked great.


:Broncos:

SonOfLe-loLang
11-17-2011, 11:07 PM
I totally forget how to change the titles on these again

SonOfLe-loLang
11-17-2011, 11:08 PM
The game was a defensive fight. Neither offense looked great.


:Broncos:

No doubt, but again, the media is making this a zero sum game. He was hardly "Horrible" in the first half.

broncocalijohn
11-17-2011, 11:10 PM
I totally forget how to change the titles on these again

Go advanced and edit. TJ should make you guys pass a test first!

Chris, I agree with you. Not that he was specatacular or anything special but I wonder why we didnt see him run more especially when our RBs werent getting many yards on their own.

Archer81
11-17-2011, 11:13 PM
No doubt, but again, the media is making this a zero sum game. He was hardly "Horrible" in the first half.


The Broncos fanbase and the media have a different opinion of horrible. Eventually Tebow will wow passing the football. You can tell he is this close. And then the media will act surprised because they believe the nonsense they say.

But when it happens the rest of us will just roll our eyes.

:Broncos:

Steve Prefontaine
11-17-2011, 11:16 PM
I think Rex would rather have had Tebow as his qb in this game. Sanchez threw quite a few bad passes, plus the big turnover.

Steve Prefontaine
11-17-2011, 11:17 PM
Rex looked so ****ing disheartened after the Tebow TD.

Sassy
11-17-2011, 11:17 PM
Go advanced and edit. TJ should make you guys pass a test first!

Chris, I agree with you. Not that he was specatacular or anything special but I wonder why we didnt see him run more especially when our RBs werent getting many yards on their own.

Yep...wasn't much up the middle all game long.

Kaylore
11-17-2011, 11:22 PM
The Jets defense is pretty good. I am not one who subscribes to the "its all the receivers fault" excuses of the Teboners. However there were a crap load of drops in this game. Tim still is SUPER slow in his progressions, and it wasn't a great game for the offense in general. We scored ten points and couldn't capitalize on awesome field position, turnovers, nothing. We made the plays when we had to to win. However Tebow needs to be a better passer.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-17-2011, 11:26 PM
The Jets defense is pretty good. I am not one who subscribes to the "its all the receivers fault" excuses of the Teboners. However there were a crap load of drops in this game. Tim still is SUPER slow in his progressions, and it wasn't a great game for the offense in general. We scored ten points and couldn't capitalize on awesome field position, turnovers, nothing. We made the plays when we had to to win. However Tebow needs to be a better passer.

Absolutely agree. Though his reads have improved from the beginning of the season. Footwork is next.

Agamemnon
11-17-2011, 11:28 PM
However Tebow needs to be a better passer.

Whatever people think about the issues surrounding the guy, whether it be bad play-calling, poor protection and receiving, or that he just sucks, pretty much every Bronco fan agrees with you on that. At least I would hope so.

beardedwonder
11-17-2011, 11:31 PM
We started in their zone 5 times and could only put up 3 points.. Not good

Mile High Mojoe
11-17-2011, 11:39 PM
The critics love to hammer Tebow about his passing game but who tossed a pick 6 for a TD in this game? In 5 starts Tebow has 2 count em 2 turnovers. Screw Sanchez give me Tebow every time.

broncocalijohn
11-18-2011, 12:00 AM
The critics love to hammer Tebow about his passing game but who tossed a pick 6 for a TD in this game? In 5 starts Tebow has 2 count em 2 turnovers. Screw Sanchez give me Tebow every time.

I am starting to think Tebow actually thinks of this stat too much and tries too hard NOT to put it in the defense's hands. Problem is he might miss on our guys hands. Maybe too conservative on it. Sure he hasn't given up any but one pick six and int, but we blow many opps to move the chains through the air. Of course we have had some dropped passes that should be caught at this level. Not easy catches but ones that can be made.

sinuous sausage
11-18-2011, 12:01 AM
For all the ballyhoo about the zone read, and my little boner I had all week thinking about it, they sure abandoned that tactic right quick IMO. I can only think of one episode where it flat-out failed, and that was more due to Zane Beadles letting #79 of the Jets go Von Miller on his ass than anything else.

The option worked tonight, and I don't get the hasty consensus that Rex somehow shut it down. The perpetual RB dive on first and 10 gave me painful flashbacks to my stint in Slothville. So crucial to Tebow's success as a passer is the team's success running the rock, and the team's success in running the rock depends so much on Tebow's success running the rock.

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 12:23 AM
Read any mainstream media article, and they all say the same thing. Tim was horrible all game until the 4th.

Was he "horrible" in the first half? He was 5 of 7 (if i recall) and one of those incompletions was a decker drop. He had a horrible third quarter and beginning of the 4th, but the first half? They didn't score much, but its because the Jets did a great job against our running attack and McCoy loses sight that the reason the broncos run offense can be effective is because of Tebow, so calling 4th and 1 plays where Tim is not an option is DUMB.

McGahee looked hurt.

The crap about Tebow playing "terrible" is just the haterade being vomited back up all over the masses.

Agamemnon
11-18-2011, 12:37 AM
For all the ballyhoo about the zone read, and my little boner I had all week thinking about it, they sure abandoned that tactic right quick IMO. I can only think of one episode where it flat-out failed, and that was more due to Zane Beadles letting #79 of the Jets go Von Miller on his ass than anything else.

The option worked tonight, and I don't get the hasty consensus that Rex somehow shut it down. The perpetual RB dive on first and 10 gave me painful flashbacks to my stint in Slothville. So crucial to Tebow's success as a passer is the team's success running the rock, and the team's success in running the rock depends so much on Tebow's success running the rock.

The run game clearly took a step back for some reason. Taking Tebow out of the equation with this running game doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me. Especially when you are down to your 3rd and 4th RBs.

Agamemnon
11-18-2011, 12:42 AM
I am starting to think Tebow actually thinks of this stat too much and tries too hard NOT to put it in the defense's hands. Problem is he might miss on our guys hands. Maybe too conservative on it. Sure he hasn't given up any but one pick six and int, but we blow many opps to move the chains through the air. Of course we have had some dropped passes that should be caught at this level. Not easy catches but ones that can be made.

Oh I'm certain of that at this point. He throws a lot of "bad" passes that are actually more along the lines of half throwing it away. Or maybe you could call it "putting it where only your guy can get it plus". He seems to be hyper-aware of the possibility of turning it over and I think that does hurt him at times. Though it's also the reason he doesn't throw interceptions.

sinuous sausage
11-18-2011, 12:52 AM
The run game clearly took a step back for some reason. Taking Tebow out of the equation with this running game doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me. Especially when you are down to your 3rd and 4th RBs.

The Jets came out with the intention of making Teebs beat them with the pass anyhoo. No way the BS pro-set handoffs to the RBs on 1st-and-10 were going anywhere. A QB like Tebow who can run an effective option makes the defense play 11 v. 11, and when they start honoring that we can see the PA which will leave even our stone-handed receivers and dubiously-armed QB enough real estate to spread the field.

Agamemnon
11-18-2011, 01:03 AM
The Jets came out with the intention of making Teebs beat them with the pass anyhoo. No way the BS pro-set handoffs to the RBs on 1st-and-10 were going anywhere. A QB like Tebow who can run an effective option makes the defense play 11 v. 11, and when they start honoring that we can see the PA which will leave even our stone-handed receivers and dubiously-armed QB enough real estate to spread the field.

McCoy and Fox seem to be allergic to play action unfortunately. In fact, am I the only one that has noticed they tend to avoid option reads that have a passing element as well? You know, read defense, handoff, keep and run, or pass? You know the thing Tebow was kind of the master of at Florida? For some reason they've decided to run Georgia Tech's offense more than Florida's, which makes no ****ing sense to me...

And tonight they even abandoned that, and just went with I-form run, run, pass all night. Honestly, McCoy and Fox just flat out baffle me with the choices they make offensively.

sgbfan
11-18-2011, 02:05 AM
I think Tebow played alright. He had about 5 or 6 passes where the receiver could have caught it. The passes weren't great, but they close. He sometimes throws too hard, or I think he would be a bit more accurate. The playcalling, at times, ticked me off though. At other times it was OK.

Armchair Bronco
11-18-2011, 02:08 AM
McCoy and Fox seem to be allergic to play action unfortunately. In fact, am I the only one that has noticed they tend to avoid option reads that have a passing element as well? You know, read defense, handoff, keep and run, or pass? You know the thing Tebow was kind of the master of at Florida? For some reason they've decided to run Georgia Tech's offense more than Florida's, which makes no ****ing sense to me...

And tonight they even abandoned that, and just went with I-form run, run, pass all night. Honestly, McCoy and Fox just flat out baffle me with the choices they make offensively.

It'll be interesting to see what Skip Bayless has to say about this tomorrow. If you don't (or haven't) watch ESPN First Take on TV, you should TIVO it. Bayless has been predicting the horrid play calling since Tebow got the starting job, and he's basically mapped out exactly what the coaches need to do to make Tebow a successful passer in the NFL.

He always says: "Look, I'm not saying that Tebow will be in the Pro Bowl. But he's got what it takes to be a starting QB in this league. And all he does is win games!"

GreatBronco16
11-18-2011, 04:47 AM
However Tebow needs to be a better passer.

Kaylore, everyone knows this. But I don't know about you, but I see him getting closer and closer every game for the past 4 weeks. I was yelling at him last night to pull his head out of his ass and make that throw. But I could see that he's getting closer. It's not going to happen overnight. We all know he is capable of doing it. It's going to happen, and when it does, watch the **** out.

barryr
11-18-2011, 04:58 AM
Yep, Tebow played horrible handing the ball off every single 1st down, and seemingly every 2nd down too. Yeah, they had great field position, but Tebow is not the one calling the plays. And I have mentioned before, for all the speed Royal has, it rarely has as use in the offense.

Even his best season in the NFL as a rookie, he only averaged 10 yards per catch, which is pretty low for a receiver. So Royal has been used mostly as a guy to run 5 yard patterns since I guess he can not beat man coverage. So in other words, let's get some real receivers before idiots claim what Tebow can't do.

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2011, 05:02 AM
Yep, Tebow played horrible handing the ball off every single 1st down, and seemingly every 2nd down too. Yeah, they had great field position, but Tebow is not the one calling the plays. And I have mentioned before, for all the speed Royal has, it rarely has as use in the offense.

Even his best season in the NFL as a rookie, he only averaged 10 yards per catch, which is pretty low for a receiver. So Royal has been used mostly as a guy to run 5 yard patterns since I guess he can not beat man coverage. So in other words, let's get some real receivers before idiots claim what Tebow can't do.

Decker has got to start catching the ball better.

The Joker
11-18-2011, 05:10 AM
One thing you have to love about him is he makes very few poor decisions.

As a game manager he's pretty damn good, doesn't put the D in bad spots by trying to force passes into tight windows. 1 pick in 5 starts says it all, and that one came late in the game against Detroit where he had to start forcing things.

That's something that'll give him a lot of breathing room as he works to become a more consistent passer.

Vegas_Bronco
11-18-2011, 05:19 AM
The teeb has been getting better with his reads and his accuracy...let's all chill out and just let this kid develop. He is getting better each game and is making some excellent decisions. We all want him to be better...this is his rookie season and ill take the winning good with the lowlevels of bad.

Mccoy and fox changed our offense at least 4 diff times last night and even though it looked like a mess they had that defense gassed and overconfident in the end...leading to a game winning drive. Our o line looked horrid all night running the ball and there was a little too much between the tackles bs...dont forget that the inability to get a first down didn't start with tebow...it was one of our main complaints with orton also.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 06:02 AM
Tebow wasn't "horrible" but the offense failed for 3+ quarters and the QB is going to take much of the blame. Just like Orton took much of the blame. The D and ST set the offense up several times and they didn't produce. But what Tebow delivered on that final electric drive pretty much makes up for that!

MplsBronco
11-18-2011, 06:12 AM
Kaylore, everyone knows this. But I don't know about you, but I see him getting closer and closer every game for the past 4 weeks. I was yelling at him last night to pull his head out of his ass and make that throw. But I could see that he's getting closer. It's not going to happen overnight. We all know he is capable of doing it. It's going to happen, and when it does, watch the **** out.

Exactly, the receivers could have done more to help him out and visa versa. But it was getting closer to clicking. Just imagine when he does start completing those passes. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but the guy has still started fewer than 10 games and the moment never looks too big for him. He's definitely a keeper.

MplsBronco
11-18-2011, 06:14 AM
Tebow wasn't "horrible" but the offense failed for 3+ quarters and the QB is going to take much of the blame. Just like Orton took much of the blame. The D and ST set the offense up several times and they didn't produce. But what Tebow delivered on that final electric drive pretty much makes up for that!

Honestly, the playcalling I thought was way too conservative. Paticularly after the long kick return. We should come out and take shots down the field on first down. Instead they run it three times and punt. They need to get selectively more aggressive with Tebow. I know they don't think he can complete many passes but they also have to acknowledge that he is low risk to turn the ball over. They have to let him take more shots.

kappys
11-18-2011, 06:26 AM
Oh I'm certain of that at this point. He throws a lot of "bad" passes that are actually more along the lines of half throwing it away. Or maybe you could call it "putting it where only your guy can get it plus". He seems to be hyper-aware of the possibility of turning it over and I think that does hurt him at times. Though it's also the reason he doesn't throw interceptions.

Limiting turnovers is the key to victory in the NFL - especially when your defense is playing the way ours has recently. I think this is being stressed to Timmy and to his credit he's taken up the mantle well. TO be honest he only had a few bad throws I recall off hand(Decker deep and overthrow, Rosario open on an out router, and DT when he hit him low in the hands which IMO a receiver should catch at this level).

TheChamp24
11-18-2011, 06:41 AM
The option worked well on plays, but once something worked it looked like we assumed it wouldn't work again.
Royal's option run for 10 yards, the shovel pass to Ball for 10 yards, etc. Finally Tebow started actually carrying the ball and got yards.
But Tebow HAS to start making some throws that any QB should make. 3rd and 10 from the 45, you have Fells wide open on an in over the middle for a first down and you overthrow him. Too many times he had open WR's and failed to deliver.

jhns
11-18-2011, 06:44 AM
Decker has got to start catching the ball better.

The problem is we gave away our top receiver. We have a bunch of good two and three receivers on this roster. We don't have an 80 catch guy that can contend with top corners dvery week. Hopefully Thomas can develop into that guy.

WolfpackGuy
11-18-2011, 06:56 AM
Some of the misfires were hitting guys in the hands, but a lot of them weren't EASY catches.

It was mostly played close to the vest because the defense pretty much shut down the Jets offense.

I thought they could've taken more shots downfield because Smith and Leonhard were up around the LOS after the first drive.

A fast TE or two would do wonders for the offense.

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 06:59 AM
Never thought I would say this but I would rather have tebow than sanchez. with that said I will give credit where credit is due. he did have a few drops,but I still don't feel running the option is sustainable,as teams will figure the option out, & we won't be playing the jets every week.

Bahshay
11-18-2011, 07:09 AM
The critics love to hammer Tebow about his passing game but who tossed a pick 6 for a TD in this game? In 5 starts Tebow has 2 count em 2 turnovers. Screw Sanchez give me Tebow every time.

In fairness, I think its pretty well known that Sanchez is a **** QB.

My analysis of Tebow for the game is the same as the majority of the fans. His progressions are getting better. He still needs a ton of work in the passing game though. Yes, our WRs are dropping balls they SHOULD catch, but its hard to expect them to make every catch when they have to jump, dive, etc for so many of the passes. Tebow is still missing some open receivers as well. That said, I do see some improvement from the first two games where he was missing very wildly to last night's game where the misses were just pass the fingertips. He is also doing a good job not turning the ball over. I don't think he will ever be a Brady/Rodgers type passer, but if he can get league average as a thrower, he will be a star when you factor in his legs.

I might as well make a mention of his legs as well. We all knew he could run. Still, I can't say enough about how impressed I am by his running ability. He is patient on designed runs and aggressive when the play breaks down. He breaks tackles, secures the ball, and knows how to take a hit/when not to take a hit. Last night's final drive cemented to me that though its possible that some good defensive team comes up with a good plan to slow down his designed runs and option plays, there is nothing that can stop him when a passing play breaks down. Too fast, too strong, too athletic.

I'm not big on taking running backs high in the draft and we certainly have other needs I'd rather see filled this year, but the thought of Tebow and Richardson in our running game makes my mouth water. Problem is, he is running so well, he has probably run us right out of a chance at Richardson.

sinuous sausage
11-18-2011, 07:14 AM
Never thought I would say this but I would rather have tebow than sanchez. with that said I will give credit where credit is due. he did have a few drops,but I still don't feel running the option is sustainable,as teams will figure the option out, & we won't be playing the jets every week.

no juay, dude. The zone read can work in the NFL. There is no "figuring out" the option, as it's already been figured out. But that has nothing to do with stopping it. No, no, no, the option brings to the defense ontological and ethical questions of being and capacity to be a moral agent of change. And man by nature is not introspective or willing to reflect on who he is and his responsibilities in life for even one second, never mind for 50 plays per game! No. A defense fielded by 11 steroided Socrateses is the only opposition that can make the option "unsustainable."

gyldenlove
11-18-2011, 07:16 AM
The Jets defense is pretty good. I am not one who subscribes to the "its all the receivers fault" excuses of the Teboners. However there were a crap load of drops in this game. Tim still is SUPER slow in his progressions, and it wasn't a great game for the offense in general. We scored ten points and couldn't capitalize on awesome field position, turnovers, nothing. We made the plays when we had to to win. However Tebow needs to be a better passer.

He did what he had to do in the 1st half, got some yards, moved the ball, won field position but didn't get the points to show for all that good field position, so while he wasn't as good as he could have been and the offense didn't produce as much as it should have, he wasn't horrible. In the 2nd half up until the last drive he was awful, he underthrew a lot of his passes in the 2nd half (which is what we have seen too much of so far).

Gort
11-18-2011, 07:17 AM
i'm listening to these idiots on Mike & Mike and they all think the Tebow offense is a gimmick. they don't get it.

this offense is not a gimmick. this offense is a mix of a couple of different styles or running and types of formations. this isn't the wildcat. this is a running game that is taking whatever works from every other running system. we're not ready to run it all and i'm sure they are adding wrinkles every week, but since Fox and McCoy realized that they could do this in the NFL, i'm sure they are giddy about the idea of having a full year to work on installing such an offense. if you have the weapons to run a power game, or a ZBS game, or an option, or a spread option, or whatever else they can come up with, then you have a foundation to be dominant once Tebow gets experience as a passer and gets his footwork sorted out.

these football "experts" are not as expert as they think they are.

honestly, if we looked ****ty for 2 quarters last night with the running game because they were mixing the schemes and trying to catch the Jets out of alignment or were setting up for plays that would work later in the game, i'm ok with that. can somebody who has looked at film this way let me know if that's what was happening in the 2nd/3rd quarters? these football "experts" only delve into it enough to state "the Jets stopped the Broncos run game", but that's not exactly deep analysis.

jhns
11-18-2011, 07:19 AM
no juay, dude. The zone read can work in the NFL. There is no "figuring out" the option, as it's already been figured out. But that has nothing to do with stopping it. No, no, no, the option brings to the defense ontological and ethical questions of being and capacity to be a moral agent of change. And man by nature is not introspective or willing to reflect on who he is and his responsibilities in life for even one second, never mind for 50 plays per game! No. A defense fielded by 11 steroided Socrates is the only opposition that can make the option "unsustainable."

Yup. Coordinators have figured out how to stop every kind of offense. That is why you have to keep them guessing. There are also teams that can execute offenses even when the defense knows what is comming.

It isn't like we are running a real option. We ran it a ton last week and a lot less every other week. It is a great thing to have in the play book, especially asthe offense improves at other stuff.

edog24
11-18-2011, 07:28 AM
Decker has got to start catching the ball better.

Decker has been playing like a biotch lately. Or perhaps the few good games he had were an anomaly and we are seeing his true colors.

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 07:43 AM
no juay, dude. The zone read can work in the NFL. There is no "figuring out" the option, as it's already been figured out. But that has nothing to do with stopping it. No, no, no, the option brings to the defense ontological and ethical questions of being and capacity to be a moral agent of change. And man by nature is not introspective or willing to reflect on who he is and his responsibilities in life for even one second, never mind for 50 plays per game! No. A defense fielded by 11 steroided Socrateses is the only opposition that can make the option "unsustainable."whatever,the option isn't going to last.

jhns
11-18-2011, 07:47 AM
whatever,the option isn't going to last.

LOL @ troll being mad about winning.

edog24
11-18-2011, 07:51 AM
whatever,the option isn't going to last.

Can you go act like a chiefs or chargers fan or something?

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 08:22 AM
LOL @ troll being mad about winning.not mad about winning just stating the fact that running this style offense will not last.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2011, 08:35 AM
not mad about winning just stating the fact that running this style offense will not last.

Theres nothing about the option that is inherently bad, but yes, Tim's gotta grow as a passer to keep it useful. Just like any run based offense. This idea that the option is a "college play" that "cant work" is BS. Its downfall will be if the Broncos cant pass.

All the zone read option is is a zone running play (that the broncos ran with success for a decade) with a backside option. Thats it.

JJG
11-18-2011, 09:14 AM
no juay, dude. The zone read can work in the NFL. There is no "figuring out" the option, as it's already been figured out. But that has nothing to do with stopping it. No, no, no, the option brings to the defense ontological and ethical questions of being and capacity to be a moral agent of change. And man by nature is not introspective or willing to reflect on who he is and his responsibilities in life for even one second, never mind for 50 plays per game! No. A defense fielded by 11 steroided Socrateses is the only opposition that can make the option "unsustainable."

Post of the year?!?!

jhns
11-18-2011, 09:18 AM
not mad about winning just stating the fact that running this style offense will not last.

You have been mad since Tebow took over. It makes me laugh.

CEH
11-18-2011, 09:48 AM
I can't figure out the play calling when we got to the positive side of the field. Several times we got great field position because of ST or defense yet we continued to play field position. To drive the ball down, force a great Colquitt punt, hold the JETS O and get the ball back at midfield and not even try something creative like a pass on first down really drove me nuts during the game. Let Tebow be Tebow sometimes when we are on the positive side of the field. Let him run around and try to make a play. I hated all those dive plays on first down

yerner
11-18-2011, 09:57 AM
I can't figure out the play calling when we got to the positive side of the field. Several times we got great field position because of ST or defense yet we continued to play field position. To drive the ball down, force a great Colquitt punt, hold the JETS O and get the ball back at midfield and not even try something creative like a pass on first down really drove me nuts during the game. Let Tebow be Tebow sometimes when we are on the positive side of the field. Let him run around and try to make a play. I hated all those dive plays on first down

I think they just don't want the offense to lose the game. Run the ball, stop the run and actually mean it. It can be ugly football but it's also a reason the offense has rarely had a turnover of late. It's the way they should have played since the beginning of the season in every game and no matter who's taking the snaps.

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 10:04 AM
Theres nothing about the option that is inherently bad, but yes, Tim's gotta grow as a passer to keep it useful. Just like any run based offense. This idea that the option is a "college play" that "cant work" is BS. Its downfall will be if the Broncos cant pass.

All the zone read option is is a zone running play (that the broncos ran with success for a decade) with a backside option. Thats it.BS, if was gonna work it would've been tried already.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2011, 10:12 AM
BS, if was gonna work it would've been tried already.

Bull. The reason its not tried is 1) not many QB's can do it effectively and 2) NFL teams put millions into their QB and don't want their investment being hit so much. 3) the play isn't even ten years old yet. 4) in the pros it involves a QB that can run between the tackles effectively (which Tim is insanely talented at)

Look at our basic read option. Its a zone run that starts out of the shotgun and features the possibility of a QB keep. Its essentially the same thing the broncos did FOR YEARS, with the QB given the option of keeping it. Its a nice evolution of an already good play.

Get your head out of your ass before you make dumb comments.

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 10:18 AM
Bull. The reason its not tried is 1) not many QB's can do it effectively and 2) NFL teams put millions into their QB and don't want their investment being hit so much. 3) the play isn't even ten years old yet. 4) in the pros it involves a QB that can run between the tackles effectively (which Tim is insanely talented at)

Look at our basic read option. Its a zone run that starts out of the shotgun and features the possibility of a QB keep. Its essentially the same thing the broncos did FOR YEARS, with the QB given the option of keeping it. Its a nice evolution of an already good play.

Get your head out of your ass before you make dumb comments.the option has been around for decades.it's nothing more than a gimic that denver is using to squeeze out some wins.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2011, 10:21 AM
the option has been around for decades.it's nothing more than a gimic that denver is using to squeeze out some wins.

The option concept is, but our read option is just a simple zone play with a backside option.

Try again.

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 10:23 AM
The option concept is, but our read option is just a simple zone play with a backside option.

Try again.

lol keep dreaming.

Gort
11-18-2011, 10:29 AM
lol keep dreaming.

keep toking on your crackpipe. 6 more hits and you'll be eligible to be a Raiders fan, providing you can show evidence that you've been arrested at least 3 times in the preceding 10 years.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2011, 11:08 AM
lol keep dreaming.

I love how thats your response.

Durango
11-18-2011, 11:29 AM
I think they just don't want the offense to lose the game. Run the ball, stop the run and actually mean it. It can be ugly football but it's also a reason the offense has rarely had a turnover of late. It's the way they should have played since the beginning of the season in every game and no matter who's taking the snaps.

That's the long and short of it. The play calling is baffling many times, but I agree Fox and McCoy still don't have enough confidence in Tebow to 'open it up' so to speak. The ultra-conservative run-on-first-down-every-damned-time seems to be more an effort not to turn the ball over than move it down the field, and if something breaks open, great.