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Dagmar
11-17-2011, 08:45 PM
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That One Guy
11-17-2011, 08:46 PM
I believe... they should've done that earlier.

Inkana7
11-17-2011, 08:50 PM
He's a goddamn horrible passer, but whatever is going on is working. I'm in.

brncs_fan
11-17-2011, 08:51 PM
He's a goddamn horrible passer, but whatever is going on is working. I'm in.

^This



TFTW

TDmvp
11-17-2011, 08:51 PM
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Bronx33
11-17-2011, 08:52 PM
I really don't want to have too win the game on the final drive every game but it was a great game with a great finish.

hookemhess
11-17-2011, 08:52 PM
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spdirty
11-17-2011, 08:52 PM
My god once again for 55 minutes I want to throw up watching him but by the end he has me so juiced up I want to Tebow my wife.

DrFate
11-17-2011, 08:52 PM
He's a goddamn horrible passer, but whatever is going on is working. I'm in.

Does he look like a terrible on these final drives? Would it make a difference if they would just roll the dice and let Tebow sling the ball around the whole game?

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 08:55 PM
Does he look like a terrible on these final drives? Would it make a difference if they would just roll the dice and let Tebow sling the ball around the whole game?

Are you under some crazy misconception that he won with his arm?

Bronx33
11-17-2011, 08:55 PM
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Ha! great! me and my son were laughing at that very gesture.

TDmvp
11-17-2011, 08:55 PM
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Thank you HOOKEM ... Way to get right on that and get with the coolness.

TheReverend
11-17-2011, 08:56 PM
****a I started belief in Tebow

yerner
11-17-2011, 08:57 PM
He's a goddamn horrible passer, but whatever is going on is working. I'm in.

Perfectly said. It sure is fun to win football games again. Great game by the whole team.

The Joker
11-17-2011, 08:57 PM
Just awesome.

Stop arguing in this thread people.

Just sit back and enjoy your awesome Teboner!

Blart
11-17-2011, 08:58 PM
I need to see more than one good drive per game before I *believe* but it's promising so far.

DrFate
11-17-2011, 09:05 PM
Are you under some crazy misconception that he won with his arm?

I know he was 3-5 passing on the final drive

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 09:11 PM
I know he was 3-5 passing on the final drive

57 of 95 was on the ground.

Then that ~20 yd pass that the receiver made happen.

He did great but him running is what did it. He couldn't have done that with just his arm, in my opinion.

tsr28
11-17-2011, 09:15 PM
In order for Tebow to be successful like he has been, the D will need to continue to be it's own brand of awesome for more than just one drive. I appreciate Tebow and his work ethic, but sh!t if we don't have a D to help him out.

bombay
11-17-2011, 09:16 PM
I believe Fox has performed a near-miracle with his defensive personnel.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-17-2011, 09:17 PM
He's awesome. And he wasnt "terrible all game" He had a really bad third quarter though.

Epic epic epic!

GreatBronco16
11-17-2011, 09:18 PM
I've allways believed.

Tebow is getting closer and closer with his throwing. Had a couple drops, but he wasn't off that much. I still think he is pressing a little. Give it time, he will get it down. If not, then he has all offseason and camp to work on it with his coaches this time.

In closing, I thought it was a great game. Nobody gave Denver a chance in hell to win that game......So :spit: at them.

Game ball to everyone for that win.

Gort
11-17-2011, 09:18 PM
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thanks. i posted it over to the game day thread. this is a great gif.

SureShot
11-17-2011, 09:18 PM
That my friends is Concrete Cyanide.

Lycan
11-17-2011, 09:19 PM
57 of 95 was on the ground.

Then that ~20 yd pass that the receiver made happen.

He did great but him running is what did it. He couldn't have done that with just his arm, in my opinion.



Does this matter? He is the best running QB in the league, let him do what he does. He will hopefully progress as a passer, let him win with his legs until the rest develops.

DrFate
11-17-2011, 09:19 PM
He couldn't have done that with just his arm, in my opinion.

Of course not. My point (and a lot of people on this board have also said) is that the play calling is so conservative for most of the game, Tebow is only allowed to throw on obvious passing downs. Completing passes on 3rd and long is difficult even for the premier passers.

When the reigns are loosened late in games, the offense looks different. It's passing and running and touchdowns. He's allowed to mix it up more and the defense really has trouble against it.

My question (which I posed in a different thread) is - will this franchise give Tebow time to develop into (at least) an average passer? Because if he adds an average passer to the the other things he brings to the table - you will have a talent unique in the NFL.

Chris
11-17-2011, 09:19 PM
I believe Fox has performed a near-miracle with his defensive personnel.

Don't forget Dennis Allen.

SureShot
11-17-2011, 09:20 PM
Is there a QB that has more pressure on him than Tim Tebow?

bombay
11-17-2011, 09:21 PM
Don't forget Dennis Allen.

Absolutely. I wondered about him, but it looks like Fox hit a home run with him. Not to mix sports metaphors.

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 09:23 PM
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Does this matter? He is the best running QB in the league, let him do what he does. He will hopefully progress as a passer, let him win with his legs until the rest develops.

I agree. I was in the chat screaming for them to go back to the option a few drives before they let Tebow start running it.

He's just not a thrower at this point so the criticisms are still valid but I'm more of a believer in milking the gimmick option for the rest of the season until he's more competent as a passer.

Dagmar
11-17-2011, 09:29 PM
3 fourth Q comeback wins. In EIGHT starts.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-17-2011, 09:31 PM
95 yards. Pray about it.

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 09:32 PM
Of course not. My point (and a lot of people on this board have also said) is that the play calling is so conservative for most of the game, Tebow is only allowed to throw on obvious passing downs. Completing passes on 3rd and long is difficult even for the premier passers.

When the reigns are loosened late in games, the offense looks different. It's passing and running and touchdowns. He's allowed to mix it up more and the defense really has trouble against it.

My question (which I posed in a different thread) is - will this franchise give Tebow time to develop into (at least) an average passer? Because if he adds an average passer to the the other things he brings to the table - you will have a talent unique in the NFL.

I can agree with that, mostly. I'm not sure why but I don't have confidence that he's a 250+ yd passer under any circumstances right now but the playcalling definitely isn't helping.

I think every week we'll see them get more comfortable and stop going for the square peg, round hole thing but then every week it's the same things. Tonight it was handoffs right up the gut rather than putting the ball in Tebow's hand. I just saw McGahee had 12 carries for 18 yds but on those 3 and outs, they were content just getting the RB stuffed.

TheDave
11-17-2011, 09:40 PM
Somehow, someway... It keeps happening.

I have absolutely no idea how, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

orinjkrush
11-17-2011, 09:47 PM
I wonder if Elway believes.

TT sorta is like Elway in the 4th qtr.

El Ju
11-17-2011, 09:50 PM
I believe I just saw a table full of NFL Network talking heads very awkwardly discussing God, prayer and character briefly after the Tebow interview.

HooptyHoops
11-17-2011, 09:51 PM
95 yards. Pray about it.

LOL Cracks me up!!

Dr. Broncenstein
11-17-2011, 09:52 PM
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Victory dance.

Bronx33
11-17-2011, 09:55 PM
Concrete Cyanide just add 4th quarter and a dash of von

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 09:56 PM
I believe I just saw a table full of NFL Network talking heads very awkwardly discussing God, prayer and character briefly after the Tebow interview.

That was definitely weird.

SureShot
11-17-2011, 09:57 PM
Concrete Cyanide just add 4th quarter and a dash of von

A little bit of von goes a long way

Orange4Life
11-17-2011, 09:57 PM
I believe. When we had the ball on the five I didn't know if we could do it. I really didn't know. But I wanted to believe

theAPAOps5
11-17-2011, 10:00 PM
Just got home from the game. One of the most amazingly weird games I have ever witnessed. This guy just has something, it is just uncanny. You knew he was going to do it. Count me as a passenger on this steamroller that is the Tebow bandwagon.

Just amazing

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 10:00 PM
I believe. When we had the ball on the five I didn't know if we could do it. I really didn't know. But I wanted to believe

That pass to Royal on the goalline was a real "WTF?!?" moment to start the drive.

It worked though.

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 10:01 PM
Just got home from the game. One of the most amazingly weird games I have ever witnessed. This guy just has something, it is just uncanny. You knew he was going to do it. Count me as a passenger on this steamroller that is the Tebow bandwagon.

Just amazing

Do any streaking?

Man-Goblin
11-17-2011, 10:02 PM
Just heard this. Longest run by a QB in the final minute of regulation to win a game ever. Cool.

El Ju
11-17-2011, 10:02 PM
Do any streaking?

I'm betting that that guy hasn't made it home quite yet.

Orange4Life
11-17-2011, 10:02 PM
That pass to Royal on the goalline was a real "WTF?!?" moment to start the drive.

It worked though.

That was an 'Oh ****!' moment for sure. Its funny to think about now lol

theAPAOps5
11-17-2011, 10:03 PM
Do any streaking?

No but the guy who took that joker down took open field tackling lessons from Champ. It was a thing of beauty.

KevinJames
11-17-2011, 10:04 PM
Anyone who doesn't believe at this point I don't really know why not? This wasn't supposed to happen remember we started 1-4 and now we are 5-5 and a half game out of first place in the AFC West.

no one can explain it but 4-1 and he just wins games for us.

its crazy and its awesome and I hope we can keep this magic going on.

If you don't believe I suggest you start because man its an awesome feeling.

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 10:07 PM
Anyone who doesn't believe at this point I don't really know why not? This wasn't supposed to happen remember we started 1-4 and now we are 5-5 and a half game out of first place in the AFC West.

no one can explain it but 4-1 and he just wins games for us.

its crazy and its awesome and I hope we can keep this magic going on.

If you don't believe I suggest you start because man its an awesome feeling.

D is holding up. There's gonna be games where 17 points won't cut it. They'll need to play more aggressive throughout rather than stay close and hope for a miracle.

I'm not sure what I believe in or don't believe in at this point but the wins are great.

SureShot
11-17-2011, 10:29 PM
D is holding up. There's gonna be games where 17 points won't cut it. .

Imagine if we scored 38 points on the road that would be impressive.

AlphaSeirra
11-17-2011, 10:39 PM
A horrible passer? WTF ???
Not if you go by the NFL Pass 'Efficiency' Rating he's not.
Not if you look at his TD to Int Ratio, he's #2 in the NFL in that critical category at 7 to 1.
Not if you compare him to the 'results' of the best QB's in the NFL on their first 8 starts.
However, I'll agree that he's not Brett,,,,, yet. :wiggle:

Which is the better QB?

24 of 40, 60% and 252 yds, 0 TD's, 1 Int. (a pick 6 loser)
A flashy passer with a nice completion %, but a crappy TD/Int Ratio.

9 of 20, 45% for 104 yds, 11.6 yds/comp, 0 TD's, ZERO Ints.
* Plus 8 for 68 yds, 8.5 ypc, and the FREAKIN' WINNING TD,,,
on a 20+ yd read & run, to end a 95 yd come from behind drive!
<-> To put that in perspective for you;
the Jets top rusher was RB McKnight - 16 for 59 yds, 3.7 ypc, 0 TD's.

Tebow's Total Offense - 172 yds and a TD with NO TO's by the QB.
When the receivers catch every pass that hits their hands (the NFL stardard), then Tim's comp% will jump up.
Note: This is the first time that Tim has started a game and NOT throw at least 1 TD pass.

Offense 6 pts. + FG Kicker 3 pts. + 2 Xpts, and Defense 6 pts = WIN!
Winning Combination = TEAM (one of those intangibles)
And of freakin' course the D is way important,,, in any NFL (or SEC) win,,, DUH! :welcome:

Always Game Keys - Play good defense, win the rushing battle, and don't turn the ball over.
Since Tebow supplanted Orton as the starting quarterback in Week 7, the Broncos have rushed for an NFL-high 915 yards
and moved up from 23rd in the league in rushing to second. Tebow has gained 283 of those yards.

And the answer to the above posed QB question is,,, Den 17 - 13 NY.
Tebow 4-1 (5-3 overall = winner, even on an otherwise loser team)

>>> For the totally BRAIN - DEAD and/or CLUELESS of the world, let me give you a little insight on Tim's passing habits.
On many routes, Tebow throws the ball 'Low & Away' so that ONLY his receiver has a shot at catching it.
See if you can pick up on what these stats say, okay?
At UF - 88 TD's to 16 Ints. (W 48 - 7 L)
2010 - 5 TD's to 3 Ints. (best TD/Int ratio of ALL 2010 rookie QB's, W 1 - 2 L)
2011 - 7 TD's to 1 Int. (#2 in the NFL behind only A.Rogers, W4 - 1 L)
NFL - 12 TD's to 4 Ints. (might be the best TD/Int ratio for any QB on their first 8 starts in NFL History? W5 - 3 L)

There's a FREAKIN' REASON for that TD/Int Ratio, and it ain't news to some of us.
What some see as 'horrible' passing is actually a SUPER(man) passing game.
- When ole Sanboy chunked one way out of bounds, they complimented him on being smart and throwing it away cause
nobody was open, 'live to fight another day' so to speak.
- But then when Tim chucked one way out of bounds for the very same reason, they said man did he ever overthrow that one.
BIASED PERCEPTIONS OF THE MEDIA MORONS --- confirmed!

PS

Sanboy stood in the pocket and took a pretty good BEATING.

Tebow ran for 8.5 ypc and a TD while dishing out a BEATING. :notworthy

Bronx33
11-17-2011, 10:48 PM
god no

gunns
11-18-2011, 06:38 AM
I think I'm still in shock. This article pretty much states what I feel right now. I'm just going to enjoy. That game was against a pretty good D. No, I do not believe that there were a lot of dropped passes, there were some pretty poorly thrown passes, some good defending on the WR's and without Decker making some great catches in the past two games Tebow's passes would all be dogged on. He is excellent in not turning the ball over and most often when he fumbles he recovers. And I don't know if Tebow is consistent in reading defenses yet but he read that last one perfectly when he made the TD. I must give great kudos to our D. They kept us in this game for 3 quarters.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-denver-broncos-plays-ugly-but-wins-in-the-end-against-new-york-jets-111811

jhns
11-18-2011, 06:49 AM
I have always said he gave us the best chance this season. I am getting real close to saying he should be given next season. It would be nice to see if he can develop into a better passer. It would also be nice to see what he looks like after a full offseason of being the guy.

bowtown
11-18-2011, 06:54 AM
I believe in our D and Tebow's intangibles. I still don't believe he's a long term solution at QB, but I'm loving him this morning.

Shotgun Willie
11-18-2011, 06:59 AM
Is there a QB that has more pressure on him than Tim Tebow?

I sure wouldn't want to be Mark Sanchez these days. You can tell the pressure is getting to him....and it's only going to get worse.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-18-2011, 07:01 AM
I'm on board, but I do still think you need to consistently throw the ball to win in this league. But I liked what I saw last night in that regard, and I think he is improving (his third quarter being an exception).

I was pissed about the straight option we ran last week. I ****ing hate the option. It's why I don't watch AFA or GA Tech or any of the other option teams.

HOWEVAH, what they're doing with this hybrid spread option is ****ing fantastic. The way we're keeping defenses off balance is awesome. And as much **** as McCoy has gotten here and elsewhere, I think you've got to give him props for doing what he's done.

gunns
11-18-2011, 07:14 AM
I believe in our D and Tebow's intangibles. I still don't believe he's a long term solution at QB, but I'm loving him this morning.

Our D is exciting me more than anything. They are keeping us in these games giving Tebow the opportunity to perform his miracles. I'm not convinced either, but I'm enjoying the hell out of these "surprising" wins.

edog24
11-18-2011, 07:16 AM
I'm on board, but I do still think you need to consistently throw the ball to win in this league. But I liked what I saw last night in that regard, and I think he is improving (his third quarter being an exception).

I was pissed about the straight option we ran last week. I ****ing hate the option. It's why I don't watch AFA or GA Tech or any of the other option teams.

HOWEVAH, what they're doing with this hybrid spread option is ****ing fantastic. The way we're keeping defenses off balance is awesome. And as much **** as McCoy has gotten here and elsewhere, I think you've got to give him props for doing what he's done.

When they run 5 WR's and Tebow in the gun, it seems like it's a guaranteed 5-7 yards. Really the only thing that stops that play is Tebow throwing a dirtball or one of the DT's gets lucky and tackles Tebow.

55CrushEm
11-18-2011, 07:18 AM
57 of 95 was on the ground.

Then that ~20 yd pass that the receiver made happen.

He did great but him running is what did it. He couldn't have done that with just his arm, in my opinion.

So? He moved the chains! He did his job. Orton would have dropped the ball, or gone fetal 2 or 3 times. Again, another game that we would have lost, had Orton been on the field at the end.

But, hey.....at least Orton would have had more passing yards.....yay!

That One Guy
11-18-2011, 07:23 AM
So? He moved the chains! He did his job. Orton would have dropped the ball, or gone fetal 2 or 3 times. Again, another game that we would have lost, had Orton been on the field at the end.

But, hey.....at least Orton would have had more passing yards.....yay!

Agreed. He moved the ball.

He's just gotta develop more. There will be times when the man has to pass.

jhns
11-18-2011, 07:27 AM
Agreed. He moved the ball.

He's just gotta develop more. There will be times when the man has to pass.

He has won games in those times. He does need to develop more, but what second year QB doesn't need to improve?

edog24
11-18-2011, 07:34 AM
So? He moved the chains! He did his job. Orton would have dropped the ball, or gone fetal 2 or 3 times. Again, another game that we would have lost, had Orton been on the field at the end.

But, hey.....at least Orton would have had more passing yards.....yay!

Is there anyone on here actually thinking Orton would have done better? If so, they should be banned for life.

jhns
11-18-2011, 07:41 AM
Is there anyone on here actually thinking Orton would have done better? If so, they should be banned for life.

People have been calling for Orton and Quinn in the last couple game day threads. It is really sad.

peacepipe
11-18-2011, 07:42 AM
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crawdad
11-18-2011, 07:42 AM
A horrible passer? WTF ???
Not if you go by the NFL Pass 'Efficiency' Rating he's not.
Not if you look at his TD to Int Ratio, he's #2 in the NFL in that critical category at 7 to 1.
Not if you compare him to the 'results' of the best QB's in the NFL on their first 8 starts.
However, I'll agree that he's not Brett,,,,, yet. :wiggle:

Which is the better QB?

24 of 40, 60% and 252 yds, 0 TD's, 1 Int. (a pick 6 loser)
A flashy passer with a nice completion %, but a crappy TD/Int Ratio.

9 of 20, 45% for 104 yds, 11.6 yds/comp, 0 TD's, ZERO Ints.
* Plus 8 for 68 yds, 8.5 ypc, and the FREAKIN' WINNING TD,,,
on a 20+ yd read & run, to end a 95 yd come from behind drive!
<-> To put that in perspective for you;
the Jets top rusher was RB McKnight - 16 for 59 yds, 3.7 ypc, 0 TD's.

....blah blah, blah

PS

Sanboy stood in the pocket and took a pretty good BEATING.

Tebow ran for 8.5 ypc and a TD while dishing out a BEATING. :notworthy

This crap right here is one reason I am not totally on board but, Tim Tebow is a winner. He missed all kinds of reads last night and I am not buying into the excuse that he is purposely throwing the ball to the receivers feet schtick. But he is a winner and he is getting it done. If he can improve his accuracy...well we will see.

Anyway he is a winner and I like winning with the Denver Broncos.

Please give the credit to our awesome defense.

chawknz
11-18-2011, 07:44 AM
I'll be a full believer if we win the Bears game. I'm a believer in the defense.

vonqkilla
11-18-2011, 07:44 AM
I believe given a couple years... NFL tutoring... Better gameplan....

Yes.

Question is if Elway is patient enough.

SureShot
11-18-2011, 07:47 AM
Everyone was saying Tebow was a 2 to 3 year project yet people want him to win games and look good doing it 9 games in. I am happy to take the wins and give Tim time to grow.

Mile High Mojoe
11-18-2011, 07:47 AM
Yes. I was one of the many who did early, unlike to many on this board.

edog24
11-18-2011, 07:48 AM
This crap right here is one reason I am not totally on board but, Tim Tebow is a winner. He missed all kinds of reads tonight and I am not buying into the excuse that he is purposely throwing the ball to the receivers feet schtick. But he is a winner and he is getting it done. If he can improve his accuracy...well we will see.

Anyway he is a winner and I like winning with the Denver Broncos.

Please give the credit to our awesome defense.

He said to nfl network that he deliberately does not want to throw balls that can be batted around and picked off. I think this is one his major strengths, he throws the ball in an area where the defender is not going to get it, but it still gives the WR a chance to make the grab.

It would be easy to air mail it out of bounds like so many other QBs in the league do, or to try and force the ball into small pockets resulting in picks.

He keeps us in games this way and gives us the best chance to win.

KO5K
11-18-2011, 07:52 AM
I believe given a couple years... NFL tutoring... Better gameplan....

Yes.

Question is if Elway is patient enough.

Screw Elway, Tebow has Bowlen on his side.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen seems to have bought in: He is what he is. Hes got a long way to go, got some other things hes got to do. Hes a quarterback. Believe me, hes going to learn. I believe hell be a great one, better keep him around here.

crawdad
11-18-2011, 07:52 AM
Oh and another thing about last nights game. It should not have been that close, our defense played great and the Jets only TD was a fluke!

lonestar
11-18-2011, 07:53 AM
I've allways believed.

Tebow is getting closer and closer with his throwing. Had a couple drops, but he wasn't off that much. I still think he is pressing a little. Give it time, he will get it down. If not, then he has all offseason and camp to work on it with his coaches this time.

In closing, I thought it was a great game. Nobody gave Denver a chance in hell to win that game......So :spit: at them.

Game ball to everyone for that win.

Let's just hope that Elway does not get a hardon for luck and give the next 3#1s for him.

I know that TEbow is going to have To improve his passing but what will it takes to make Elway not waste a flock of picks to get someone that may never see the field in DEN. As unless they trade him the fandom would run him out of town.

lonestar
11-18-2011, 08:03 AM
Of course not. My point (and a lot of people on this board have also said) is that the play calling is so conservative for most of the game, Tebow is only allowed to throw on obvious passing downs. Completing passes on 3rd and long is difficult even for the premier passers.

When the reigns are loosened late in games, the offense looks different. It's passing and running and touchdowns. He's allowed to mix it up more and the defense really has trouble against it.

My question (which I posed in a different thread) is - will this franchise give Tebow time to develop into (at least) an average passer? Because if he adds an average passer to the the other things he brings to the table - you will have a talent unique in the NFL.

Excellent points but I beleuve he will be more than an average passer.

That said he will
Never be a manning with accuracy. BUt then lots of mannings % are because he has some stud recievers.

But when he adds some confident passing to the quiver this kid is goingto be special. Scary good


Finally we have a defense something we have lacked since the orange crush.

Put that together with a very unique offense and we will see lots of lombardis.

gunns
11-18-2011, 08:08 AM
Let's just hope that Elway does not get a hardon for luck and give the next 3#1s for him.

I know that TEbow is going to have To improve his passing but what will it takes to make Elway not waste a flock of picks to get someone that may never see the field in DEN. As unless they trade him the fandom would run him out of town.

I don't believe that Elway would give up all that for anyone. You may disparage his abilities as VP but he knows football and he knows what it takes, a team. See the pick of Von Miller. He may pick up a QB which I think is an excellent idea as all we have is Tebow but I think by now he's resigned himself to the fact we don't have a chance at Luck.

ColoradoDarin
11-18-2011, 08:10 AM
Everyone was saying Tebow was a 2 to 3 year project yet people want him to win games and look good doing it 9 games in. I am happy to take the wins and give Tim time to grow.

Yeah, I'm with this. Give Tebow a full off season to work, Build more defense and put more pieces around Tebow on offense and let's see what we can do! In the meantime, I'll take winning pretty, winning ugly, winning any way we can.

gunns
11-18-2011, 08:11 AM
Excellent points but I beleuve he will be more than an average passer.

That said he will
Never be a manning with accuracy. BUt then lots of mannings % are because he has some stud recievers.

But when he adds some confident passing to the quiver this kid is goingto be special. Scary good


Finally we have a defense something we have lacked since the orange crush.

Put that together with a very unique offense and we will see lots of lombardis.


I'm not convinced that he will ever be anymore than an average passer. But the intangibles may compensate for that. The biggest point in your post is UNIQUE. THAT is what our offense/Tebow is bringing to these games. And that defense is helping immensely. As quoted by a football site, there is no Tebowmania without the defense.

bendog
11-18-2011, 08:12 AM
in magic. (John Sebastian)

edog24
11-18-2011, 08:15 AM
I don't believe that Elway would give up all that for anyone. You may disparage his abilities as VP but he knows football and he knows what it takes, a team. See the pick of Von Miller. He may pick up a QB which I think is an excellent idea as all we have is Tebow but I think by now he's resigned himself to the fact we don't have a chance at Luck.

I for one will be thoroughly pissy if we use any draft picks on qbs. We have shown Tebow is serviceable, we are at 500 with him and the awesome D at the wheel. We have Adam Weber, and we can pick up any crappy backup QB out of FA if we feel like it.

There is way too much talent in the draft (offensively and defensively) to waste it on another mid round project qb.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 08:16 AM
I believe in our D and Tebow's intangibles. I still don't believe he's a long term solution at QB, but I'm loving him this morning.

I'm on the same page. This will probably get us labeled "haters" by the Tebow fan police (paging Dr. Bronc and jhns!) but it is what it is. I love the kid, I'm rooting for him, the winning speaks for itself (not to mention the talent and the heart), but he has to greatly improve his passing ability in order to be a long term solution.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 08:21 AM
I'm on the same page. This will probably get us labeled "haters" by the Tebow fan police (paging Dr. Bronc and jhns!) but it is what it is. I love the kid, I'm rooting for him, the winning speaks for itself (not to mention the talent and the heart), but he has to greatly improve his passing ability in order to be a long term solution.

That's just a fact. There's just no way around it. Why doesn't anybody talk about what an amazing job Colquitt is doing along with this defense at dominating the field position game? They're giving Tebow some great advantages, providing him with a lot of support while he learns the pro game. If he can just get the passing end of it together this will become a powerful team.

jhns
11-18-2011, 08:21 AM
I'm on the same page. This will probably get us labeled "haters" by the Tebow fan police (paging Dr. Bronc and jhns!) but it is what it is. I love the kid, I'm rooting for him, the winning speaks for itself (not to mention the talent and the heart), but he has to greatly improve his passing ability in order to be a long term solution.

Well, you obviously are a hater. You were putting horrible receiver play on Tebow all night. You are complaining that a second year player needs to improve... Of course he does.

crawdad
11-18-2011, 08:23 AM
in magic. (John Sebastian)

Lovin' Spoonful!

SureShot
11-18-2011, 08:24 AM
That's just a fact. There's just no way around it. Why doesn't anybody talk about what an amazing job Colquitt is doing along with this defense at dominating the field position game? They're giving Tebow some great advantages, providing him with a lot of support while he learns the pro game. If he can just get the passing end of it together this will become a powerful team.

Tebow is doing his part as well by not putting the defense in bad positions and keeping them fresh throughout the game.

lonestar
11-18-2011, 08:27 AM
I believe in our D and Tebow's intangibles. I still don't believe he's a long term solution at QB, but I'm loving him this morning.

Why not long term solution. got a woody for luck.

Rohirrim
11-18-2011, 08:29 AM
Tebow is doing his part as well by not putting the defense in bad positions and keeping them fresh throughout the game.

He's definitely doing a great job at protecting the ball, which is something most rookies have trouble with. It's frustrating to watch a guy who has so many talents in other areas having so many struggles with the passing game. Fortunately, it seems the whole team is supporting him through the transition. They obviously believe in him (take the Von interview last night). Who knows? We may be watching the birth of an entire new football philosophy in the NFL, like the early years of Bill Walsh and the WCO? ;D

gunns
11-18-2011, 08:29 AM
Well, you obviously are a hater. You were putting horrible receiver play on Tebow all night. You are complaining that a second year player needs to improve... Of course he does.

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SureShot
11-18-2011, 08:31 AM
He's definitely doing a great job at protecting the ball, which is something most rookies have trouble with. It's frustrating to watch a guy who has so many talents in other areas having so many struggles with the passing game. Fortunately, it seems the whole team is supporting him through the transition. They obviously believe in him (take the Von interview last night). Who knows? We may be watching the birth of an entire new football philosophy in the NFL, like the early years of Bill Walsh and the WCO? ;D


Speaking of the WCO can we run some Plummer bootlegs already?

lonestar
11-18-2011, 08:32 AM
Agreed. He moved the ball.

He's just gotta develop more. There will be times when the man has to pass.

Do you know of any real reason he will not develop? If so share it with us or do not state the obvious.

Mile High Mojoe
11-18-2011, 08:35 AM
I'm on the same page. This will probably get us labeled "haters" by the Tebow fan police (paging Dr. Bronc and jhns!) but it is what it is. I love the kid, I'm rooting for him, the winning speaks for itself (not to mention the talent and the heart), but he has to greatly improve his passing ability in order to be a long term solution.

8 games and you're ready to say he's not the long term solution? Orton was a veteran when he can to the Broncos and all the homers on this board said he "needed time to develop" or "he needs to learn McD's offensive." Tebow isn't allowed the same courtesy apparently. He's got to be All-Pro by season's end or see ya later.

Tebow as the starter has already won more games than Orton did last year but He must improve now or we draft a QB next year. Its ridiculous, yea maybe in the 3rd or 4th round we draft a QB but no higher because Orton and Quinn will thankfully be gone.

But as long as Tebow wins he stays whether he doesnt meet the standards of what the posters think on the OM or not. Its laughable how little people know about football and how little patience they have unless its their own chosen guy or the next lock in next years draft.

Get use to the idea of winning, thats a good thing by the way. I see more of the same, no matter what his passing stats add up to.

Powderaddict
11-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Somehow, someway... It keeps happening.

I have absolutely no idea how, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

I'm with you 100%.

We're getting the results we want - wins. Gotta love it!

lonestar
11-18-2011, 08:40 AM
He has won games in those times. He does need to develop more, but what second year QB doesn't need to improve?

Outstanding response to a nimrod.

Everyone is thinking any Qb we get to come in here will be at elways level from day one. And their expectations are absurd.

Most of the members here are fans since Elway became a bronco and even more since the last of super bowl years. So the expectations are totally unrealistic

I know of few QBs that one in day one and light it up. Hell even Elway got benched at least twice in his rookie season.

Let's give this kid some time to get to meet his WRs and then some more time to get the timing down. DT is still a biggie rookie he will have flashes of greatness then suck from time to time.

zdoor
11-18-2011, 08:42 AM
I think Bowlen has bought in...

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen seems to have bought in: “He is what he is. He’s got a long way to go, got some other things he’s got to do. He’s a quarterback. Believe me, he’s going to learn. I believe he’ll be a great one, better keep him around here.”


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-denver-broncos-plays-ugly-but-wins-in-the-end-against-new-york-jets-111811

Hercules Rockefeller
11-18-2011, 08:58 AM
Long term? Not yet.

I base this on watching him attempt to pass in person at home games. TV just doesn't convey how inaccurate he is at times, even on balls his WRs can get their hands on.

On the flip side, there wasn't a single person at Invesco last night that didn't think he'd lead them to at least a FG on that final drive.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 09:02 AM
8 games and you're ready to say he's not the long term solution?

Where did I say he's not? I said in order to be for sure that he has to improve his passing. I didn't say that he couldn't.

TonyR
11-18-2011, 09:04 AM
You were putting horrible receiver play on Tebow all night.

Show me where/when I did this.

jhns
11-18-2011, 09:08 AM
Show me where/when I did this.

I did.

edog24
11-18-2011, 09:09 AM
Long term? Not yet.

I base this on watching him attempt to pass in person at home games. TV just doesn't convey how inaccurate he is at times, even on balls his WRs can get their hands on.

On the flip side, there wasn't a single person at Invesco last night that didn't think he'd lead them to at least a FG on that final drive.

See this is what gets me. What other teams, right now, have the final long term solution at QB? Houston, NE, GB, Det, Pitt, NYG, NO, maybe SD, Chi?

Why do we have to be convinced he is the final long term solution right now? He is winning games isn't he?

He is playing a lot better than probably 50% of the qbs right now-today-that is what we need to worry about. Not whether he is a long term solution.

BoiseBluTurf
11-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Our D is exciting me more than anything. They are keeping us in these games giving Tebow the opportunity to perform his miracles. I'm not convinced either, but I'm enjoying the hell out of these "surprising" wins.

This.

theAPAOps5
11-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Yes. I was one of the many who did early, unlike to many on this board.

Really? Couldn't tell.....

jhns
11-18-2011, 09:26 AM
See this is what gets me. What other teams, right now, have the final long term solution at QB? Houston, NE, GB, Det, Pitt, NYG, NO, maybe SD, Chi?

Why do we have to be convinced he is the final long term solution right now? He is winning games isn't he?

He is playing a lot better than probably 50% of the qbs right now-today-that is what we need to worry about. Not whether he is a long term solution.

It seems to be the route the haters are taking. It is the only thing they can say to avoid saying something positive.

Tebow has earned this season and is getting real close to earning the start next year. This is all that matters right now. What happens in five years can wait to be discissed for another 4.5-5 years.

AlphaSeirra
11-18-2011, 12:05 PM
Tebow threw a then Florida HS State Record 98 TD PASSES, including 9,940 yds.
He also ran the ball for 4,286 yds and 63 more TD's.
Total Offense 14,226 yds with 161 TD's.
He won a 4A State Championship and was 'elected' to the Florida HS All Century Team.
--------------------
Tebow threw for 9,285 yds against SEC defenses, with 88 TD's to just 16 Ints.
He also ran the ball for 2,947 yds, 4.3 ypc and an SEC Record 57 TD's.
Total Offense 12,232 yds with 155 TD's
He won 2 SEC-C's, 2 BCS-NC's, and was the FIRST Soph Heisman winner.
Eventual College Football HoF is all but guaranteed.
===============

But some (of the more ignorant) will claim that none of that matters.
Which is why on draft day they all just draw names out of the hat in random order. :spit:

Anyway, I just put that up for reference as to Tim's consistency of play prior to arriving in Denver.
Tim has always run and passed and those two abilities compliment and 'feed' off of each other.

Critics Stupidity (including media morons):

First it was he won't be able to run in the NFL, and if he tries to he'll get KILLED.
* Reality = 99 for 615 yds, 6.2 ypc, 9 TD's to just 1 lost poss fumble.
(he could only run for 4.3 ypc against SEC/college defenses) ;)

Now -- it's okay, so he can run the ball, but he can't pass the ball at all, he's a horrible passer.
> Guess they forgot what he did AT Oakland in his 1st NFL start in 2010 ??? (morons)
* 300+ passing yards with a 101 PER. (back when he still had Lloyd and Gaffney to throw to)

First Seven Starts in Their NFL Careers:

Elway --------- Tebow

2-5 ----- W/L----- 4-3
44.4 -- Comp% -- 47.2
757 -- Pass Yds -- 1,177 (+420)
1-9 --- TD/Int --- 11/4 <-----<<<
37.2 ---- PER ---- 78.7
Tebow -- IS BETTER IN EVERY SINGLE MEASURABLE CATEGORY
If Tim's really as bad of a passer as some claim, then what was Elway with his early stats ???

I geuss that it's a real good thing that St. John was never held to the 'Tebow' Standard? :wiggle:

I put this up NOT to Diss on how BAD of a passer that Elway really was in the beginning.
I put it up to show how GOOD Tebow actually is, at this VERY EARLY point in his professional career.
Give it a little Time guys and gals, the best is yet to come! :notworthy
================

Who won the Den/NY game last night?
The Bronco TEAM did, of course, just like in any other game.
However:
Jet's leading rusher was RB McKnight - 16 for 59 yds, 3.7 ypc, ZERO TD's
Broncos best RB rusher was McGahee - 12 for 18 yds, 1.5 ypc ZERO TD's, 1 Fumble
Tebow 8 for 68 yds, 8.5 ypc, ZERO Fumbles, and finished it off with the winning 20 yd run for a TD.

I said when Denver drafted Tebow that he would be better than a combination of Elway and FB Alstott.
I was correct then and now, but NO Tebow hater/critic will acknowledge that 'FACT' of the matter.
=================

The Top 3 Running QB's in their 1st 7 starts in the NFL since 1950:

#1 Tim Tebow - 480 yds 2010/11
#2 R. Cunningham - 430 yds 1985/86
#3 B.Douglas - 363 yds 1969
=================

Keeping in mind how Tim performed in both Florida HS and SEC/UF Football:

Tebow as a Bronco in only his 1st 8 Starts:

Passing - 97 of 207, 46.9% for 1,363 yds, 14.05 yds/comp, 12 TD's to 4 Ints.
Rushing - 99 for 615 yds, 6.2 ypc, 9 TD's to 1 Lost Poss Fumble.

Total Off - 1,978 yds, 6.5 yds/play, 21 TD's to just 5 Turn-Overs on 306 plays. W/L 5-3
=================

My conclusion; the many haters and negative critics are riding the Tebow wagon for their OWN profit, with ANY LIE permissible.
Understandable, but they are doing it at Tim's expense. :thumbsdow

Basss-tads one and all imoho! tsk tsk

Archer81
11-18-2011, 12:10 PM
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:Broncos:

ColoradoDarin
11-18-2011, 12:27 PM
blah blah blah

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/gifs/downloader.gif

lonestar
11-19-2011, 09:29 AM
I think Bowlen has bought in...

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen seems to have bought in: He is what he is. Hes got a long way to go, got some other things hes got to do. Hes a quarterback. Believe me, hes going to learn. I believe hell be a great one, better keep him around here.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-denver-broncos-plays-ugly-but-wins-in-the-end-against-new-york-jets-111811

Let's hope elway does not trade him and a flock of picks for luck.

lonestar
11-19-2011, 11:52 AM
See this is what gets me. What other teams, right now, have the final long term solution at QB? Houston, NE, GB, Det, Pitt, NYG, NO, maybe SD, Chi?

Why do we have to be convinced he is the final long term solution right now? He is winning games isn't he?

He is playing a lot better than probably 50% of the qbs right now-today-that is what we need to worry about. Not whether he is a long term solution.

Final long term. Ne not long term IMO he is fast approaching 30. NO a few more good years. As for San and CHI. Ahahahahhahahahahahahahaba

FQB come and go

Cito Pelon
11-19-2011, 01:23 PM
I don't believe that Elway would give up all that for anyone. You may disparage his abilities as VP but he knows football and he knows what it takes, a team. See the pick of Von Miller. He may pick up a QB which I think is an excellent idea as all we have is Tebow but I think by now he's resigned himself to the fact we don't have a chance at Luck.

There's no telling what the FO is gonna do in the draft, that's a long time away. They're gonna try to develop Tebow that's for sure and he'll be the #1 QB come training camp 2012, that's for sure also.

Hell, Adam Weber is still on the team and they may like him as the #2 coming into TC next year. Dude is 6'3/220 so he's a big guy with running and throwing skills. Just have to wait and see how it pans out.

cutthemdown
11-19-2011, 01:34 PM
Tebow as he gets more NFL wise will start burning defenses. They are stacking the LOS and we have big plays to be had downfield.

Its only a matter of time before safetys start biting to come up and make a play and we get behind them. Not every team has Revis and a good secondary. Teams with bad corners are **** out of luck vs the Broncos. It's possible that because of Tebow having to be accounted for we will always get a 1-1 downfield on early downs if we want it.

I think the offense has the potential to bust 30 points on someone. Just a matter of time IMO.

Jay3
11-19-2011, 01:57 PM
And to keep the Matrix analogy from the OP going, one day Tebow's mastery of the pocket passing game (both perceiving what is happening and the body mechanics he needs to time everything) is going to break through like when Neo realized he was "the One."

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His natural ability to see the players when he wants to run, the geometry of it, and his instincts, have a chance to translate into a lethal all around quarterback.

bombay
11-19-2011, 02:06 PM
That's just a fact. There's just no way around it. Why doesn't anybody talk about what an amazing job Colquitt is doing along with this defense at dominating the field position game? They're giving Tebow some great advantages, providing him with a lot of support while he learns the pro game. If he can just get the passing end of it together this will become a powerful team.

Yep. Defense/special teams have been so good that the offense has been allowed to be horrible for 55 minutes and still have a chance to win. Particularly in the Miami and NY games. The offense had a great day running all over the Oakland D.

TotallyScrewed
11-19-2011, 02:13 PM
Wow...What a crazy bunch on fans. What would this site do if Tebow wasn't 4-1? What would they do if he has a losing streak of 3-4? My point is some people revel in their own misery. It's what they do best...woe unto me and woe unto everything and everyone else. Their attitude is...I've invested my all into being miserable, don't even try to change my mind! They aren't content unless they make others miserable. Don't let them make you miserable!! Enjoy the positives in your life!

KCStud
11-19-2011, 02:25 PM
Nope don't believe. Not until he starts winning more games. Hell even Cassel has gone 4-1 this year at one point. Tebow is gonna have to learn how to throw the ball because teams are gonna figure out how to stop very soon.

Cito Pelon
11-19-2011, 02:36 PM
Tebow as he gets more NFL wise will start burning defenses. They are stacking the LOS and we have big plays to be had downfield.

Its only a matter of time before safetys start biting to come up and make a play and we get behind them. Not every team has Revis and a good secondary. Teams with bad corners are **** out of luck vs the Broncos. It's possible that because of Tebow having to be accounted for we will always get a 1-1 downfield on early downs if we want it.

I think the offense has the potential to bust 30 points on someone. Just a matter of time IMO.

Yup. It sure seems like Tebow is gonna be a winner in the line of Tarkenton, Staubach, Bradshaw, Elway, Young, McNair, McNabb.

I'm wondering if Tebow is like a Bradshaw clone. Bradshaw was a long ball kind of guy and rushed for 32 TD's. Bradshaw was a big doofus, but won games.

Jay3
11-19-2011, 02:45 PM
I'm wondering if Tebow is like a Bradshaw clone. Bradshaw was a long ball kind of guy and rushed for 32 TD's. Bradshaw was a big doofus, but won games.

And he says every team but the Steelers wanted him to switch to TE.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 08:53 AM
Nope don't believe. Not until he starts winning more games. Hell even Cassel has gone 4-1 this year at one point. Tebow is gonna have to learn how to throw the ball because teams are gonna figure out how to stop very soon.

Scoreboard

Bronx33
11-20-2011, 09:00 AM
Nope don't believe. Not until he starts winning more games. Hell even Cassel has gone 4-1 this year at one point. Tebow is gonna have to learn how to throw the ball because teams are gonna figure out how to stop very soon.


Yawn....it is what it is.

Bronx33
11-20-2011, 09:02 AM
Yup. It sure seems like Tebow is gonna be a winner in the line of Tarkenton, Staubach, Bradshaw, Elway, Young, McNair, McNabb.

I'm wondering if Tebow is like a Bradshaw clone. Bradshaw was a long ball kind of guy and rushed for 32 TD's. Bradshaw was a big doofus, but won games.


He had a great receiving corps.

OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 09:11 AM
Nope don't believe. Not until he starts winning more games. Hell even Cassel has gone 4-1 this year at one point. Tebow is gonna have to learn how to throw the ball because teams are gonna figure out how to stop very soon.

It's not just about the 4-1. It's not surprising that you'd be too stupid to understand that 3 of those were 4th qtr come backs. Sorry but Cassel doesn't get up off the mat like what we're talking about here. And Tebow is still, for all intents and purposes, a rookie. Cassel's a p***Y. It's stupid to even mention his name.

elsid13
11-20-2011, 09:15 AM
All I know is that Elway and Xander keep showing up at college games with QBs that eligible for the NFL draft

1- Stanford (Luck)
2. Arizona (Foles)
3. OU/Baylor (Jones/RGIII)

Just missing a USC and Texas AM game

TonyR
11-20-2011, 09:16 AM
Apparently Rich Cimini isn't a believer...

Broncos QB Tim Tebow is great for the league, but he's a novelty act. You can't win long-term with a passer who can't pass. It's a knee-jerk reaction to his recent success to say you'd take him over Mark Sanchez to start a team, as former Giant Amani Toomer said Saturday on 1050 ESPN New York. Sanchez is slumping, but he's been to the playoffs -- twice. Tebow will flame out at some point.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/8959/tebow-over-sanchez-gimme-a-break

Hercules Rockefeller
11-20-2011, 09:19 AM
All I know is that Elway and Xander keep showing up at college games with QBs that eligible for the NFL draft

1- Stanford (Luck)
2. Arizona (Foles)
3. OU/Baylor (Jones/RGIII)

Just missing a USC and Texas AM game

99% sure Elway was in Boulder for the USC-CU game a few weeks ago.

elsid13
11-20-2011, 09:22 AM
99% sure Elway was in Boulder for the USC-CU game a few weeks ago.

Guess that just leaves Ryan Tannehill to be scouted.

Mile High Mojoe
11-20-2011, 09:59 AM
Apparently Rich Cimini isn't a believer...

Broncos QB Tim Tebow is great for the league, but he's a novelty act. You can't win long-term with a passer who can't pass. It's a knee-jerk reaction to his recent success to say you'd take him over Mark Sanchez to start a team, as former Giant Amani Toomer said Saturday on 1050 ESPN New York. Sanchez is slumping, but he's been to the playoffs -- twice. Tebow will flame out at some point.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/8959/tebow-over-sanchez-gimme-a-break

I can't find one single post you've made on the OM that I could agree with. You've kept the streak alive with this one. Sanchez was and is a fraud, the Jets are all about D. Sanchez is the one on the way to flaming out, amazing how you could get everything totally bass ackwards everytime so please don't stop.

TonyR
11-20-2011, 10:05 AM
I can't find...

Genius, I posted something I read that applies to the topic of discussion. I don't agree with it, and nowhere did I state that I did.

Mile High Mojoe
11-20-2011, 10:13 AM
Genius, I posted something I read that applies to the topic of discussion. I don't agree with it, and nowhere did I state that I did.

What was your point then or was there one? Why post this at all if it's just another smack down? No comment was made by you about the article so one would assume that either A. You agree with. B. It's a smack down. or C. You're posting something that has no meaning and you have no point. Which is it?

If you think Sanchez is bum why not come out and say it?

OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 10:17 AM
What was your point then or was there one? Why post this at all if it's just another smack down? No comment was made by you about the article so one would assume that either A. You agree with. B. It's a smack down. or C. You're posting something that has no meaning and you have no point. Which is it?

If you think Sanchez is bum why not come out and say it?

This might help you:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=101372&page=3

TonyR
11-20-2011, 10:21 AM
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Mile High Mojoe
11-20-2011, 10:22 AM
This might help you:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=101372&page=3

Great, took at a glance at his comments and still come to the same conclusion even more so thank you. Ive yet to see him make a comment in full that wasnt off the tracks.

Mile High Mojoe
11-20-2011, 10:24 AM
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McDman
11-20-2011, 10:34 AM
Does anyone actually dispute the fact that Alphseirra is MacGruder, or have we all just accepted the crazy for what he is?

yerner
11-20-2011, 11:17 AM
99% sure Elway was in Boulder for the USC-CU game a few weeks ago.

They are def. drafting a quarterback early unless all their guys are off the board.

Popps
11-20-2011, 11:27 AM
They are def. drafting a quarterback early unless all their guys are off the board.

Wow, if you guys think we've seen a circus the past few years... just wait until we draft a QB. Unless Tebow takes a big dump the rest of this season... we're going to see chaos like we haven't seen in years if we draft a QB early.

Par for course with this team it seems, though. Never a dull day.

KCStud
11-20-2011, 11:35 AM
It's not just about the 4-1. It's not surprising that you'd be too stupid to understand that 3 of those were 4th qtr come backs. Sorry but Cassel doesn't get up off the mat like what we're talking about here. And Tebow is still, for all intents and purposes, a rookie. Cassel's a p***Y. It's stupid to even mention his name.

4th quarter comebacks are great, but it seems like every game he plays has to be a 4th quarter comeback. He isn't gonna win games like this for long. The NFL is just too good of a league.

Bronx33
11-20-2011, 11:36 AM
4th quarter comebacks are great, but it seems like every game he plays has to be a 4th quarter comeback. He isn't gonna win games like this for long. The NFL is just too good of a league.


Ya cassells proves it every week...

OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 11:37 AM
4th quarter comebacks are great, but it seems like every game he plays has to be a 4th quarter comeback. He isn't gonna win games like this for long. The NFL is just too good of a league.

Go clean your camaro.

The Joker
11-20-2011, 11:41 AM
4th quarter comebacks are great, but it seems like every game he plays has to be a 4th quarter comeback. He isn't gonna win games like this for long. The NFL is just too good of a league.

I'd agree with this to be honest, although I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Tebow to improve as he gets more and more reps with the first team and plays more games.

In the meantime it's very nice to see that he seems to be really good in the clutch.

KCStud
11-20-2011, 11:41 AM
So let me get this straight. You guys actually believe Tim Tebow is gonna take you guys deep in the playoffs someday?

Bronx33
11-20-2011, 11:43 AM
So let me get this straight. You guys actually believe Tim Tebow is gonna take you guys deep in the playoffs someday?


Ya we know you're desperate for anything but please quit making up arguments that aren't there.

DBroncos4life
11-20-2011, 11:43 AM
So let me get this straight. You guys actually believe Tim Tebow is gonna take you guys deep in the playoffs someday?

So let me get this straight. A KC fan talking to another teams fans about what it takes to go deep in the playoffs?

KCStud
11-20-2011, 11:46 AM
So let me get this straight. A KC fan talking to another teams fans about what it takes to go deep in the playoffs?

I've seen my team go deep in the playoffs DBroncs.

DBroncos4life
11-20-2011, 11:49 AM
I've seen my team go deep in the playoffs DBroncs.

When in 1994? I'm pretty sure the NFL has changed since then.

Bronx33
11-20-2011, 11:49 AM
I've seen my team go deep in the playoffs DBroncs.


when? (http://football.about.com/cs/2003nflplayoffs/a/playoffhistkans.htm)

KCStud
11-20-2011, 11:51 AM
When in 1994? I'm pretty sure the NFL has changed since then.

Yup with the best winning QB in NFL history. The NFL has also changed since 98. Hell the NFL has completely changed since Goodell took the defensive aspect out of the game.

yerner
11-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Wow, if you guys think we've seen a circus the past few years... just wait until we draft a QB. Unless Tebow takes a big dump the rest of this season... we're going to see chaos like we haven't seen in years if we draft a QB early.

Par for course with this team it seems, though. Never a dull day.

How can they not? No Orton or Quinn, if there is a prospect they like in the early rounds it fills a need. It will be fun.

SoCalBronco
11-20-2011, 11:59 AM
So let me get this straight. You guys actually believe Tim Tebow is gonna take you guys deep in the playoffs someday?

I don't think its unreasonable to say we could get into the playoffs with him, certainly there is a chance of that this year (altho I think OAK will win the division and get in), but if he makes substantial improvement as a passer, yes, we could eventually win some postseason games with him, assuming the rest of the team is decent as well.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 12:03 PM
Yup with the best winning QB in NFL history. The NFL has also changed since 98. Hell the NFL has completely changed since Goodell took the defensive aspect out of the game.

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theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 12:04 PM
I've seen my team go deep in the playoffs DBroncs.

We have seen two Superbowls.

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KCStud
11-20-2011, 12:14 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.

Broncos4me
11-20-2011, 12:18 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.

Then why not ask it that way to begin with? You posed the question with derisiveness and had to know the reaction you would get. If you wanted to just know his ceiling, you could've just asked, "What do you think Tebow's ceiling is this season and/or in the future?"

McDman
11-20-2011, 12:27 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.

No one has any idea. If he can improve his passing then he has a high ceiling. If he has to continue to come back in the fourth quarter due to mediocre play then it is fairly low.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 12:27 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.

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OrangeSe7en
11-20-2011, 12:32 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.

What difference does it make? It's not like our thoughts are going to impose themselves on what the actual outcome will be. It's a stupid question asked by typical KC riff raff.

DBroncos4life
11-20-2011, 12:34 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.

If you run the ball well, don't it over and play good D then any QB can go deep into the playoffs.

KCStud
11-20-2011, 12:38 PM
If you run the ball well, don't it over and play good D then any QB can go deep into the playoffs.

That is the old NFL tho. The new NFL of late shows that having a high powered offense with a good throwing QB is the blueprint to winning in the playoffs.

I just don't think running the football is gonna work on teams like the Steelers, Ravens or Pats.

KCStud
11-20-2011, 12:39 PM
I think the mindset teams are gonna have when they play the Broncos is to start off scoring quickly and make Tebow throw the ball.

TDmvp
11-20-2011, 12:40 PM
I think the mindset teams are gonna have when they play the Broncos is to start off scoring quickly and make Tebow throw the ball.



No $hit ? You think of that one all by yourself or maybe see one of a thousand media talking head say it over the last 5 weeks.

Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 12:43 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.


Your not HONESTLY asking anything. WE know what your doing. You don't know Tim's ceiling anymore than all the media haters do.

Go have fun with Palko courtesy of the Denver Broncos...........!

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 12:45 PM
Your not HONESTLY asking anything. WE know what your doing. You don't know Tim's ceiling anymore than all the media haters do.

Go have fun with Palko courtesy of the Denver Broncos...........!

Exactly so every time I see his stupid posts I don't even read and just push his buttons. It bothers the he'll out of him.

Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 12:51 PM
LMAO at Apa following me like a begging puppy wanting a treat.

Guys, that question wasn't meant to be a jab or piss anyone off. I just wanted to honestly know what you think Tebow's ceiling is for this team.


Do you believe you will finish last place and not win another game this year ?

KCStud
11-20-2011, 12:55 PM
Go have fun with Palko courtesy of the Denver Broncos...........!


So you take joy in the fact that your team has injured our QB? Class act Jetmeck..

KCStud
11-20-2011, 12:57 PM
Exactly so every time I see his stupid posts I don't even read and just push his buttons. It bothers the he'll out of him.

You follow me more than this board follows Bob. But keep trying. Keep following me like a dog begging for a treat.

http://images.meredith.com/bhg/images/2008/01/m_100171190.jpg

KCStud
11-20-2011, 12:58 PM
Do you believe you will finish last place and not win another game this year ?

Ha that's kind of an obvious answer. A team with their core players on the sideline won't win any game.

Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 01:00 PM
So you take joy in the fact that your team has injured our QB? Class act Jetmeck..


No, not all. Where do you derive I take joy from Cassell's injury. ?

I take joy watching your team EMBARASS themselves and look forward to Monday against the Patriots as they beat down your lousy ass team in primetime so everyone nationwide can see what a joke your team is ?

We clear what brings me joy now ???

Don't bring your BS in here and expect respect either...........

Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 01:01 PM
Ha that's kind of an obvious answer. A team with their core players on the sideline won't win any game.

Smoke and mirrors regardless of the injuries

KCStud
11-20-2011, 01:03 PM
Smoke and mirrors regardless of the injuries

Hey man. I know you're sad Bronco fan that lives in KC and everything is KC Chiefs football. Maybe you should move away from KC if you feel so bad.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 01:07 PM
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Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 01:08 PM
Hey man. I know you're sad Bronco fan that lives in KC and everything is KC Chiefs football. Maybe you should move away from KC if you feel so bad.

If the job was available in Co I'd be there. Chiefs suck but its smartass Chef fans watching Broncos going to five superbowls and their envy of a winning franchise that drove me to hatred of all red/white clown fans.......................your on the list.....ha

Somebody has to represent here and I do it ALL YEAR LONG !

KCStud
11-20-2011, 01:17 PM
If the job was available in Co I'd be there. Chiefs suck but its smartass Chef fans watching Broncos going to five superbowls and their envy of a winning franchise that drove me to hatred of all red/white clown fans.......................your on the list.....ha

Somebody has to represent here and I do it ALL YEAR LONG !

winning franchise with Elway. Without Elway there is and has been nothing for over 10 years just like KC.

Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 01:21 PM
winning franchise with Elway. Without Elway there is and has been nothing for over 10 years just like KC.

You only wish to have been to that many superbowls.


42 years of incompetence........................see ya fool :welcome:

Jetmeck
11-20-2011, 02:45 PM
lol

fontaine
11-20-2011, 03:16 PM
My opinion of Tebow hasn't changed since he started.

He's still got the rest of the year before I make a judgement on him. Any 1st/2nd year QB needs at least two years to improve and show what he can do.

bombay
11-20-2011, 03:30 PM
winning franchise with Elway. Without Elway there is and has been nothing for over 10 years just like KC.

I think I went to the AFC championship game in Denver in 2005.

theAPAOps5
11-20-2011, 03:43 PM
winning franchise with Elway. Without Elway there is and has been nothing for over 10 years just like KC.

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Jay3
11-20-2011, 04:17 PM
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You keep posting this, and I keep thinking it's going to seem old, but each time I read it I still kind of nod to myself and go "yep."

Fact: it's impossible to rebut the logic of "scoreboard."

lonestar
12-05-2011, 10:06 PM
My opinion of Tebow hasn't changed since he started.

He's still got the rest of the year before I make a judgement on him. Any 1st/2nd year QB needs at least two years to improve and show what he can do.

any different opinions today?