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Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 05:58 PM
I was just told by epicSocialism4tw, that I'm not a "real" Broncos fan because I don't think Tim Tebow is the quarter back of the future. Just wanted to get some thoughts on this because I think that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I don't doubt this guy is a Broncos fan, he just seems to be more bothered by someone saying Tim Tebow sucks than, someone saying the Broncos suck.

Tomorrow I will drive 8 hours to watch the Broncos play. They will play Tebow and I will no doubt at some point in the game wish they had a different QB, just wanted to make sure it was still ok to be a Broncos fan even if I don't think Tebow is the man.

Can you be a Broncos fan, and not be a Tebow fan?

tsiguy96
11-16-2011, 06:00 PM
you can think, foreshadow that he WONT be it. but dont root against the guy, how can you? come to think of it, how can anyone NOT want him to be the QBOTF (even if he isnt)?

oubronco
11-16-2011, 06:00 PM
Not around here..................Now GET OUT!!!!!!

ghwk
11-16-2011, 06:02 PM
I don't know if you are a real fan or if Timmy is the QBotF, but I can say with 100% certainty that epic is a turd.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 06:02 PM
you can think, foreshadow that he WONT be it. but dont root against the guy, how can you? come to think of it, how can anyone NOT want him to be the QBOTF (even if he isnt)?

I don't wanna end up 3 years down the road still being told this is the best chance to win. We already did that with Pocket Sloth.

tsiguy96
11-16-2011, 06:08 PM
I don't wanna end up 3 years down the road still being told this is the best chance to win. We already did that with Pocket Sloth.

i fail to see how this is relevant to the orton situation?

no one said this is the best chance to win like they did with orton, they are just doing it and just winning because of it. hes 3-1 and getting a chance at a good/great defense, dont hate just appreciate.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:10 PM
I was just told by epicSocialism4tw, that I'm not a "real" Broncos fan because I don't think Tim Tebow is the quarter back of the future. Just wanted to get some thoughts on this because I think that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I don't doubt this guy is a Broncos fan, he just seems to be more bothered by someone saying Tim Tebow sucks than, someone saying the Broncos suck.

Tomorrow I will drive 8 hours to watch the Broncos play. They will play Tebow and I will no doubt at some point in the game wish they had a different QB, just wanted to make sure it was still ok to be a Broncos fan even if I don't think Tebow is the man.

Can you be a Broncos fan, and not be a Tebow fan?

That's not at all what I said, bedpan.

I said that Broncos fans who are enjoying winning would prefer that people who pull for the Broncos to lose to hit the road or just shut up with the captious nonsense.

You guys have more in common with Raiders fans at this point.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:13 PM
It isn't any wonder that many of these clowns who pull for the Broncos to lose have joined the site this year.

They are Tebow haters. That's why they're here. They're spurred on by the Merrill Hoge's of the world.

OABB
11-16-2011, 06:14 PM
At this very point, yes, only an idiot would not want Tebow at qb. like a christian hating rv driving idiot.

If he doesn't improve, fine, burn him alive. But, right now, at this very second, hating on Tim makes you either an a-hole,idiot, raiderfan,chiefs fan,charger fan, dumb**** or moron?

Which is it exactly?

GreatBronco16
11-16-2011, 06:19 PM
I don't wanna end up 3 years down the road still being told this is the best chance to win. We already did that with Pocket Sloth.

I'm sooooo sorry that you are that upset over it. How bout you and the 5 or 6 other people who feel exactly like you just give up on Broncos until the QB that YOU are happy with is under center.


I would kill to be able to go to Denver and watch a live game with my kids. Even if I didn't like Tebow or if Orton or Quinn was the QB, I would still kill to go, and I would cheer that team on like there was no tomorrow. At no point in time, no matter how bad things were going, would I sit there all sad wishing we had someone else.

You are pathetic for going to a game to wish bad thoughts on the team that you say you are a fan of. I hope you slip in the bathroom and a nasty 300 pound guy from upstate NY slips you the sausage.

GreatBronco16
11-16-2011, 06:21 PM
That's not at all what I said, bedpan.

I said that Broncos fans who are enjoying winning would prefer that people who pull for the Broncos to lose to hit the road or just shut up with the captious nonsense.

You guys have more in common with Raiders fans at this point.

Hence the ones that are hangin out on a Raiders forum bad mouthing Bronco players.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 06:22 PM
That's not at all what I said, bedpan.

I said that Broncos fans who are enjoying winning would prefer that people who pull for the Broncos to lose to hit the road or just shut up with the captious nonsense.

You guys have more in common with Raiders fans at this point.

Everyone knows where you stand a$$ hat

Rolandftw
11-16-2011, 06:23 PM
I was just told by epicSocialism4tw, that I'm not a "real" Broncos fan because I don't think Tim Tebow is the quarter back of the future. Just wanted to get some thoughts on this because I think that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Yeah, it basically is. Until his next post at least.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:28 PM
I'm sooooo sorry that you are that upset over it. How bout you and the 5 or 6 other people who feel exactly like you just give up on Broncos until the QB that YOU are happy with is under center.


I would kill to be able to go to Denver and watch a live game with my kids. Even if I didn't like Tebow or if Orton or Quinn was the QB, I would still kill to go, and I would cheer that team on like there was no tomorrow. At no point in time, no matter how bad things were going, would I sit there all sad wishing we had someone else.

You are pathetic for going to a game to wish bad thoughts on the team that you say you are a fan of. I hope you slip in the bathroom and a nasty 300 pound guy from upstate NY slips you the sausage.

I'm not sure how anyone can classify them as Broncos fans at this point. Their hatred (often times religious bigotry or anti-UF hatred) for one player on the team overrides their fandom. They can't see it yet, but the hatred for that player is so deep-seated that it has already started to drive them away.

Why don't they just quit with the petulant resistance and just cave to their hatred already? Its inevitable at this point...they will be fans of another team, likely whoever drafts Andrew Luck. Why not just expedite the inevitable and jump ship already?

Archer81
11-16-2011, 06:28 PM
This is getting beyond ridiculous. Is it a rule that you have to like all 53 guys playing for your favorite sports team?

For ****'s sake...

:Broncos:

TonyR
11-16-2011, 06:29 PM
I was just told by epicSocialism4tw, that I'm not a "real" Broncos fan because I don't think Tim Tebow is the quarter back of the future. Just wanted to get some thoughts on this because I think that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

The stupid is strong with him. But he relishes the attention of threads like this so unfortunately you're doing him a favor here.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:31 PM
Everyone knows where you stand a$$ hat

Either you have problems understanding what I wrote or you're being dishonest.

Rolandftw
11-16-2011, 06:32 PM
That's not at all what I said, bedpan.

I said that Broncos fans who are enjoying winning would prefer that people who pull for the Broncos to lose to hit the road or just shut up with the captious nonsense.

You can actually be happy with the wins, yet point out ways they can get better. They are not mutually exclusive. Every NFL champion has become a champion that way.

I enjoyed very much going to Arrowhead, and hearing all game long how Tebow was a running back who can't play QB.... and then Tebow shut them all the **** up.

If Von Miller can stay healthy, he might go down as the best linebacker in Broncos history. Doesn't mean that he can't get better. What's scary is that he looks better every damn game.

Being a fan shouldn't = being drugged up on morphine

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 06:33 PM
You are pathetic for going to a game to wish bad thoughts on the team that you say you are a fan of. I hope you slip in the bathroom and a nasty 300 pound guy from upstate NY slips you the sausage.

You mongoloid douche bag. I never once said I wish bad thoughts on the team. I said at some point I would wish they had a different QB. While you were fantasizing about 300 lbs new yorkers and their sausages, you must have not read what I said. You apparently are so stupid you think teams just magically win superbowls... You need good players first you mouth breathing half wit. We have some already. Miller, williams, champ, Clady, Prater, Colquit, Decker, Royal, but I think we can reasonably upgrade at QB in the near future.

OBF1
11-16-2011, 06:34 PM
hey sh it bucket.... or turd.

It is appearant that you will not be happy with any quarterback we have/will have in the near future. Instead of running around and sounding like TGN, why not get behind the kid and see what he can do??? He is 3-1 this year vs the 1-4 that obortion gave us.

I know you are a nothing more than an internet version of (Insert name here) bobblehead. How do you know that Tebow will not be the QB of the future is beyond me.

A fan will sit back and enjoy the recent success that Denver has been having instead of living in the past (2 years) of sh it Denver has be laying on the field.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:34 PM
You mongoloid douche bag. I never once said I wish bad thoughts on the team. I said at some point I would wish they had a different QB. While you were fantasizing about 300 lbs new yorkers and their sausages, you must have not read what I said. You apparently are so stupid you think teams just magically win superbowls... You need good players first you mouth breathing half wit. We have some already. Miller, williams, champ, Clady, Prater, Colquit, Decker, Royal, but we I think we can reasonably upgrade at QB in the near future.

Did you mean to call yourself "Tard" or "Turd" Ferguson? Either name would work, but I'm leaning toward "Tard" as being more apt.

OBF1
11-16-2011, 06:36 PM
also, you poll choices are BS

brncs_fan
11-16-2011, 06:37 PM
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GreatBronco16
11-16-2011, 06:39 PM
You mongoloid douche bag. I never once said I wish bad thoughts on the team. I said at some point I would wish they had a different QB. While you were fantasizing about 300 lbs new yorkers and their sausages, you must have not read what I said. You apparently are so stupid you think teams just magically win superbowls... You need good players first you mouth breathing half wit. We have some already. Miller, williams, champ, Clady, Prater, Colquit, Decker, Royal, but we I think we can reasonably upgrade at QB in the near future.

So you sitting there wishing they had another QB during the game isn't wishing bad thoughts on the team?

How bout you wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up quicker.

Oh btw, we can reasonably upgrade all the other positions you listed too. So while you sitting there thinking other people are stupid, you should take a real long look at yourself in the mirror and see yourself for exactly what you are. Smart shouldn't even cross your mind.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 06:45 PM
How bout you wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up quicker.

Funny I was just going to tell you to **** in your hand...

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:46 PM
Funny I was just going to tell myself to **** in my hand...

Can a Turd crap in its own hand?

tsiguy96
11-16-2011, 06:47 PM
http://images.zap2it.com/images/tv-EP00000412/as-the-world-turns-5.jpg

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Mogulseeker
11-16-2011, 06:48 PM
I voted with the majority... but I do believe that the QB position is one of those things that you have to support the starter in.

I was an Ortonite.... now I'm a Tebowite.

Just like that fact I'm registered GOP, and I fully support Obama.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:51 PM
I voted with the majority... but I do believe that the QB position is one of those things that you have to support the starter in.

I was an Ortonite.... now I'm a Tebowite.

Just like that fact I'm registered GOP, and I fully support Obama.

Well if the Broncos are winning, it makes the season a lot more fun, right?

It makes every game more interesting. It drives up the suspense on every play. It would be the same if Orton had been winning games.

Heck, with Tebow the whole world is watching. This week is full of NY Post and NY Times and NFL.com and ESPiN "analysis" on the new Broncos offense. Does anyone think that there would be this much interest in a 1-8 team piloted by Orton?

This season is already much more fun than either of the past two.

KO5K
11-16-2011, 06:52 PM
The poll choices don't really reflect what you've been accused of.

If you're rooting against the guy then no I wouldn't class you as a Broncos fan. In your case, every post I've seen you make has been about the QB position and every post has bagged on Tebow in some manner, which is strange.

BroncsCheer
11-16-2011, 07:01 PM
This blew up in Turd's face after he hit the fan .....

lonestar
11-16-2011, 07:02 PM
you can think, foreshadow that he WONT be it. but dont root against the guy, how can you? come to think of it, how can anyone NOT want him to be the QBOTF (even if he isnt)?



my thoughts precisley..

WTF cares if he does not look pretty, IIRC they said the same things about Montana and Young then Vick and a whole raft of others..

I want to win and win alot and so far this kid is doing that..against all odds of no practic for almost two years, no OTAs and a OC that does not have a clue..

the FO that has seemed to be sabotaging his every move because the fans forced their hands and set Orton "the guy that gave us the best opportunity to win" .

He isn't pretty to watch but the whole team is playing better these last 4-5 games..

lonestar
11-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Well if the Broncos are winning, it makes the season a lot more fun, right?

It makes every game more interesting. It drives up the suspense on every play. It would be the same if Orton had been winning games.

Heck, with Tebow the whole world is watching. This week is full of NY Post and NY Times and NFL.com and ESPiN "analysis" on the new Broncos offense. Does anyone think that there would be this much interest in a 1-8 team piloted by Orton?

This season is already much more fun than either of the past five.

fixed that for you since Jake left we have been stinking it up at least on defense ..

we have been mediocre at best since 06

actually been lacking since Elway and company left..

KO5K
11-16-2011, 07:06 PM
my thoughts precisley..

I think it's more the off field stuff that puts people off, **** knows why though.

The OMane's resident 'superfan' is one example.

Blueflame another.

lonestar
11-16-2011, 07:08 PM
I think it's more the off field stuff that puts people off, **** knows why though.

The OMane's resident 'superfan' is one example.

Blueflame another.

what off the field stuff. not being a thug?

TonyR
11-16-2011, 07:13 PM
If you're rooting against the guy then no I wouldn't class you as a Broncos fan.

Agree. It's one thing to have doubts about him, quite another to actually root against him. That said, there is some hypcrisy here (not you, K05K) in that some of the people who are strong Tebow supporters were awfully close to openly rooting against Kyle Orton...

ColoradoDarin
11-16-2011, 07:16 PM
Yes looked lonely, so I voted for him :D

maven
11-16-2011, 07:18 PM
real fans!

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 07:47 PM
Agree. It's one thing to have doubts about him, quite another to actually root against him. That said, there is some hypcrisy here (not you, K05K) in that some of the people who are strong Tebow supporters were awfully close to openly rooting against Kyle Orton...

I'm not rooting against him... People freak out if you say you don't think he is very good.

Bronco Yoda
11-16-2011, 08:09 PM
This is getting beyond ridiculous. Is it a rule that you have to like all 53 guys playing for your favorite sports team?

For ****'s sake...

:Broncos:

No.

But.... the RFFA (Real football fans Association) has a rule that you must like and believe in 49 out of the 53 players.

The rub: However Tebows greatness counts as 5 players. :D

TDmvp
11-16-2011, 08:15 PM
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brncs_fan
11-16-2011, 08:17 PM
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Spider
11-16-2011, 08:28 PM
well at least it isnt the great Griese debate all over again ......People hated him , and called themselfs bronco fans ........Now OABB thinks it is some kind of religious persecution as if us non believers want to throw him to the lions or something ......

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 08:55 PM
well at least it isnt the great Griese debate all over again ......People hated him , and called themselfs bronco fans ........Now OABB thinks it is some kind of religious persecution as if us non believers want to throw him to the lions or something ......

You may not be one of them, but there are people whose bigotry creates within them a complete enmity towards Tebow, and they openly root for him to fail even though it is the worst case scenario for the Broncos.

If Tebow fails, then the team doesn't have a QB and won't be getting one any time soon. If Tebow fails, then the Broncos may have to pick a mid-to-late first round QB and then wait for him to develop...delaying the team's success for another year or two after next season. So ideally the Broncos want Tebow to continue to succeed in the rushing game now, and to continue to grow as a passer so that at this time next season the playbook has opened up considerably. And hey...if Tebow becomes an above-average passer, he's going to be a dominant player. He'd be an MVP type player if he were able to get to that level of proficiency.

As for the general QB hate since Elway (Greise, Plummer, Cutler, Orton, Tebow, ...), I don't understand it either. Especially when the team is having success. We went through this same stuff with Greise and Plummer. Even when those guys had some success, some people couldn't get over their dislike for the player. But the haters for those guys are relatively mild in comparison to what we see with Tebow.

errand
11-16-2011, 08:57 PM
So you sitting there wishing they had another QB during the game isn't wishing bad thoughts on the team?

How bout you wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up quicker.

Oh btw, we can reasonably upgrade all the other positions you listed too. So while you sitting there thinking other people are stupid, you should take a real long look at yourself in the mirror and see yourself for exactly what you are. Smart shouldn't even cross your mind.

I agree we need to support Timmy.... but wasn't all of the tebow fans also wishing we had a different quarterback the first 5 games of the season?

But when they were accused of not being fans of the team all hell broke loose... you cannot have it both ways.

I support all players on the broncos because I love the broncos not any 1 player. That does not mean that I cannot have an opinion on who is better at playing their positions

personally I think knowshon mareno just needs to stay healthy and he can be a productive running back..... but I do not see a reason to play him in front of willis mcgahee who has shown he still has gas left in the tank.

I personally like brandon lloyd and jabbar gaffney but I can also understand why they were found to the expendable by the front office.... that does not mean I hated decker royal or thomas.

When this season began I believed that orton was our best Qb because he was a veteran and tebow was not ready in my opinion... but he played himself out of the starting job

And even though he still has not proven himself As the sure fire answer He has won 3 of 4 starts ever that I will give him the rest of the season

I do not agree with switching quarterbacks in and out all the time. I also do not care how he wins as long as he wins

broncocalijohn
11-16-2011, 09:02 PM
I heard if you don't like Tim Tebow, you don't like Jesus. No middle ground, just hard core.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2011, 09:07 PM
Agree. It's one thing to have doubts about him, quite another to actually root against him. That said, there is some hypcrisy here (not you, K05K) in that some of the people who are strong Tebow supporters were awfully close to openly rooting against Kyle Orton...

Just come out and say it. THere were posters wanting Orton to fail so they can get Tebow in there. We even had Epic coming to the gam day thread spewing "3 and Orton" on drives that clearly werent his fault. He just wanted to so bad start off with that BS. It has been going both ways and the hypocrisy has been huge for many posters. "Orton can't hit a side of a barn" yet once Tebow got into the Miami game, not much of the same was said.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 09:12 PM
Just come out and say it. THere were posters wanting Orton to fail so they can get Tebow in there. We even had Epic coming to the gam day thread spewing "3 and Orton" on drives that clearly werent his fault. He just wanted to so bad start off with that BS. It has been going both ways and the hypocrisy has been huge for many posters. "Orton can't hit a side of a barn" yet once Tebow got into the Miami game, not much of the same was said.

I was not rooting for Orton to fail. I was a disappointed fan who wanted to see the team win. Go back and look at those threads, or the threads during and after the Bengals game (the only one that we won) and you'll see a guy happy to win and wanting either Orton to get it together or for the Broncos to develop the young guy if he didn't, and there was no reason to keep riding a broken horse if it never got healthy again.

And it wasn't just the phrase "3 and Orton" that I created, it was also the term "Orton'ed". ;D

"3 and Orton" - The result of any offensive posession before the team was down at least two scores.

"Orton'ed" - A predictable let down, for example a red zone failure or a turnover at a critical point in the game.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 09:15 PM
Just come out and say it. THere were posters wanting Orton to fail so they can get Tebow in there. We even had Epic coming to the gam day thread spewing "3 and Orton" on drives that clearly werent his fault. He just wanted to so bad start off with that BS. It has been going both ways and the hypocrisy has been huge for many posters. "Orton can't hit a side of a barn" yet once Tebow got into the Miami game, not much of the same was said.

Epic gave me positive rep when I said Orton is an unathletic plodding joke. Now I'm a Bronco hating bigot for saying Tebow can't throw the ball at an NFL level. Hypocrite.

maher_tyler
11-16-2011, 09:16 PM
I'm not rooting against him... People freak out if you say you don't think he is very good.

Not very good at throwing the ball. You're not insane if you think Tebow wont make it. He's had some terrible passes and some perfect passes. With guys dropping passes it makes his numbers look bad. We need to remember this is only his second year and going into his 8th start.

NFLBRONCO
11-16-2011, 09:50 PM
you can think, foreshadow that he WONT be it. but dont root against the guy, how can you? come to think of it, how can anyone NOT want him to be the QBOTF (even if he isnt)?

QBOTF it would be a huge help if he was but, I can't buy into it. I like the guy just want more upside from my QBOTF.

Blueflame
11-16-2011, 09:51 PM
I think it's more the off field stuff that puts people off, **** knows why though.

The OMane's resident 'superfan' is one example.

Blueflame another.

I have serious doubts about the chances of success for an auto mechanic who applies for a job at Mercedes-Benz while owning nothing but SAE tools. This person would not have the proper tools to succeed in his chosen job.

Similarly, Tim Tebow aspires to be an NFL starting QB but totally lacks the tools he needs to succeed. He needs to get the right tools and soon or he needs to modify his goals.

Gort
11-16-2011, 09:53 PM
I agree we need to support Timmy.... but wasn't all of the tebow fans also wishing we had a different quarterback the first 5 games of the season?

before that, Orton got the benefit of the doubt for all of 2009 and 2010.

when have you ever given Tebow the benefit of the doubt?

there is this absurd notion that Tebow must be held to the same standard after 7 starts that any 7-year veteran QB is held.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 10:13 PM
before that, Orton got the benefit of the doubt for all of 2009 and 2010.

when have you ever given Tebow the benefit of the doubt?

there is this absurd notion that Tebow must be held to the same standard after 7 starts that any 7-year veteran QB is held.

Orton had a good start as a Bronco...we all got excited.

Then reality kicked us in the nads and we were Orton'ed.

Blueflame
11-16-2011, 10:22 PM
Orton had a good start as a Bronco...we all got excited.

Then reality kicked us in the nads and we were Orton'ed.

Orton was always exactly what he is now and it's a huge stretch to say "we all got excited." I for one was never "excited" about having Orton. And I'm still pissed at the guy who left us with no better options.

NFLBRONCO
11-16-2011, 10:24 PM
before that, Orton got the benefit of the doubt for all of 2009 and 2010.

when have you ever given Tebow the benefit of the doubt?

there is this absurd notion that Tebow must be held to the same standard after 7 starts that any 7-year veteran QB is held.





If the 12 QB class was awful I could handle another season with Tebow because we'd be out of options. Since 12 class is solid I think Denver will explore options next offseason whether Tebow plays solid or not. Even if we won all of our games the rest of the way if we have a shot at Luck or Barkley Denver would be dumb not considering it even how unlikely it might be. I have said, all along Fox and Elway DID NOT draft him HUGE difference on support. If they drafted him I think he would get a longer time of proving himself.

Spider
11-16-2011, 10:48 PM
You may not be one of them, but there are people whose bigotry creates within them a complete enmity towards Tebow, and they openly root for him to fail even though it is the worst case scenario for the Broncos.

If Tebow fails, then the team doesn't have a QB and won't be getting one any time soon. If Tebow fails, then the Broncos may have to pick a mid-to-late first round QB and then wait for him to develop...delaying the team's success for another year or two after next season. So ideally the Broncos want Tebow to continue to succeed in the rushing game now, and to continue to grow as a passer so that at this time next season the playbook has opened up considerably. And hey...if Tebow becomes an above-average passer, he's going to be a dominant player. He'd be an MVP type player if he were able to get to that level of proficiency.

As for the general QB hate since Elway (Greise, Plummer, Cutler, Orton, Tebow, ...), I don't understand it either. Especially when the team is having success. We went through this same stuff with Greise and Plummer. Even when those guys had some success, some people couldn't get over their dislike for the player. But the haters for those guys are relatively mild in comparison to what we see with Tebow.

if tebow was a muslim still feel the same ?

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 11:45 PM
if tebow was a muslim still feel the same ?

I like principled people who appreciate and shoot for the finer side of existence. They make the people who see them try to do better.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 11:50 PM
Orton was always exactly what he is now and it's a huge stretch to say "we all got excited." I for one was never "excited" about having Orton. And I'm still pissed at the guy who left us with no better options.

Well, I should have said that I got excited.

He looked like a capable player who was growing into a top 15 QB. But once things started going downhill with McDaniels, its like he didn't really have that same will to be excellent. It appeared to me, from my amateur couch, that he and Lloyd both kind of lost focus and it became about their next paychecks more than it was about winning games.

Then last season when Orton started pressing (much like Plummer in 2006), he started regressing and giving way to the pressure.

I would have rather it worked out, but it didn't.

Blueflame
11-17-2011, 12:09 AM
Well, I should have said that I got excited.

He looked like a capable player who was growing into a top 15 QB. But once things started going downhill with McDaniels, its like he didn't really have that same will to be excellent. It appeared to me, from my amateur couch, that he and Lloyd both kind of lost focus and it became about their next paychecks more than it was about winning games.

Then last season when Orton started pressing (much like Plummer in 2006), he started regressing and giving way to the pressure.

I would have rather it worked out, but it didn't.

It was always my opinion that Orton was a downgrade from Cutler. While I understand that some Broncos fans had issues with Cutler's "attitude" and "mopiness", it annoys me that he (assisted by a very good defense) currently has the Bears in good position to make the playoffs for a second consecutive season while the Broncos have struggled offensively. It wouldn't be so bad if McDaniels had spent the picks we got for Cutler wisely instead of squandering them. It appears to me that the trade paid off well for the Bears; the Broncos... not so much.

epicSocialism4tw
11-17-2011, 12:46 AM
It was always my opinion that Orton was a downgrade from Cutler. While I understand that some Broncos fans had issues with Cutler's "attitude" and "mopiness", it annoys me that he (assisted by a very good defense) currently has the Bears in good position to make the playoffs for a second consecutive season while the Broncos have struggled offensively. It wouldn't be so bad if McDaniels had spent the picks we got for Cutler wisely instead of squandering them. It appears to me that the trade paid off well for the Bears; the Broncos... not so much.

I liked Cutler too.

I hated the childish way that he was handled (and the childish way that he acted in return too, to be fair). Same goes of the rest of the guys that McD got rid of because he didn't like for whatever reason.

But once the Broncos got off to a great start with Orton and he looked like he was raising his level of play, it was easy to get behind him too. Especially after Cutler showed indignity when he left and Orton just seemed like a guy who wanted to put the nose to the grindstone and get the job done.

But Orton just kind of lost it. He crumbled under the weight.

Blueflame
11-17-2011, 01:24 AM
I liked Cutler too.

I hated the childish way that he was handled (and the childish way that he acted in return too, to be fair). Same goes of the rest of the guys that McD got rid of because he didn't like for whatever reason.

But once the Broncos got off to a great start with Orton and he looked like he was raising his level of play, it was easy to get behind him too. Especially after Cutler showed indignity when he left and Orton just seemed like a guy who wanted to put the nose to the grindstone and get the job done.

But Orton just kind of lost it. He crumbled under the weight.


The way Cutler's exit from Denver happened was... unfortunate. And I still wonder where Bowlen was throughout that time...and why he allowed it all to devolve into the finger-pointing and rancor. He had the power to nip the whole sorry mess in the bud, but was nowhere to be seen.

I didn't "buy into" Orton even during the 6-game winning streak. It's not that I hated him or anything; he is what he is... a mediocre journeyman QB who could perhaps fill in for a while, but it was clear that he was just a "temp" and not a QBOTF. I do feel bad for Orton because he was unfairly hated (not given a chance) by Broncos fans... some from Day One (because he wasn't Cutler) and others a year later (because he stood in Tebow's way).

epicSocialism4tw
11-17-2011, 02:17 AM
The way Cutler's exit from Denver happened was... unfortunate. And I still wonder where Bowlen was throughout that time...and why he allowed it all to devolve into the finger-pointing and rancor. He had the power to nip the whole sorry mess in the bud, but was nowhere to be seen.

I didn't "buy into" Orton even during the 6-game winning streak. It's not that I hated him or anything; he is what he is... a mediocre journeyman QB who could perhaps fill in for a while, but it was clear that he was just a "temp" and not a QBOTF. I do feel bad for Orton because he was unfairly hated (not given a chance) by Broncos fans... some from Day One (because he wasn't Cutler) and others a year later (because he stood in Tebow's way).

Orton could have had Broncos fans in his back pocket if he would have come through in the clutch and helped the Broncos win games. When you reel off a seemingly never-ending string of losses, you lose the fans. People get sick of pulling for a team that lets them down, and they grow unsettled.

Orton could have been QB here for years, but he just never was able to take that next step. Instead, he regressed to the point that he could never convert a crucial play when it mattered and he tended to lose games with his mistakes.

Bronco Yoda
11-17-2011, 02:25 AM
I have serious doubts about the chances of success for an auto mechanic who applies for a job at Mercedes-Benz while owning nothing but SAE tools. This person would not have the proper tools to succeed in his chosen job.

Similarly, Tim Tebow aspires to be an NFL starting QB but totally lacks the tools he needs to succeed. He needs to get the right tools and soon or he needs to modify his goals.

In your scenario he's a mechanic with special Metrinch combo tools.

It's not always the tools but how you use them anyway. It's a guy thing ;D

Blueflame
11-17-2011, 02:41 AM
Orton could have had Broncos fans in his back pocket if he would have come through in the clutch and helped the Broncos win games. When you reel off a seemingly never-ending string of losses, you lose the fans. People get sick of pulling for a team that lets them down, and they grow unsettled.

Orton could have been QB here for years, but he just never was able to take that next step. Instead, he regressed to the point that he could never convert a crucial play when it mattered and he tended to lose games with his mistakes.

Orton simply wasn't good enough to "come through in the clutch" especially with that defense once McDaniels got rid of Nolan. And McDaniels clearly didn't perceive Orton as his long-term QB or he wouldn't have drafted Tebow in the first round.

Losing was bad... but the final straw for McDaniels was Spygate 2... getting caught cheating and covering up the cheating... and still losing was unacceptable.

Blueflame
11-17-2011, 02:55 AM
In your scenario he's a mechanic with special Metrinch combo tools.

It's not always the tools but how you use them anyway. It's a guy thing ;D

It's not always a guy thing. I'm a girl who could tell you the firing order for a Chevy V8 engine... and who has been under the hood doing my own tuneups way more than once. ;D

You do need Metric tools to work on a Mercedes... SAE won't work.

Bronco Yoda
11-17-2011, 03:09 AM
Met's are combos. I've fixed everything with them.

My dad was a professional mechanic and rancher. You'd be suprised what you can fix with baling wire and pliers ...lol :)

Blueflame
11-17-2011, 03:37 AM
Met's are combos. I've fixed everything with them.

My dad was a professional mechanic and rancher. You'd be suprised what you can fix with baling wire and pliers ...lol :)

Yeah... they're pretty handy to have.

Baling wire, pliers and duct tape... I kinda suspect any Mercedes Benz dealership would pass over a (mechanic) applicant who didn't have the proper Metric tools though. Just as a lot of NFL franchises would choose a guy who already has proper QB mechanics over one like Tebow who... needs to work on his "QB tools".

cutthemdown
11-17-2011, 03:48 AM
You don't have to like Tebow. Hopefully though you hope you are wrong about him. Still I was intrigued by his game last week. He almost hit a few other deep balls. This offense could be all ground and pound, some double and triple option to keep defense guessing, then just big time over the top long bombs into single coverage.

Is it just me? That is exciting football imo.

cutthemdown
11-17-2011, 03:50 AM
Yeah... they're pretty handy to have.

Baling wire, pliers and duct tape... I kinda suspect any Mercedes Benz dealership would pass over a (mechanic) applicant who didn't have the proper Metric tools though. Just as a lot of NFL franchises would choose a guy who already has proper QB mechanics over one like Tebow who... needs to work on his "QB tools".

I know a pilot that claims to have fixed his flaps with duck tape in Alaska. He is a pilot but also a storyteller so not sure its true. Its a good bar story when he tells it though.

Note to everyone here don't fly to Catalina island. It's the scariest landing you will ever make. I was sure he was going to crash lol. The friggin runway is like downhill and really short.

Blueflame
11-17-2011, 03:52 AM
I know a pilot that claims to have fixed his flaps with duck tape in Alaska. He is a pilot but also a storyteller so not sure its true. Its a good bar story when he tells it though.

Note to everyone here don't fly to Catalina island. It's the scariest landing you will ever make. I was sure he was going to crash lol. The friggin runway is like downhill and really short.

That would be scary flying in a plane with duct-taped flaps... LOL

Jay3
11-17-2011, 04:01 AM
Similarly, Tim Tebow aspires to be an NFL starting QB but totally lacks the tools he needs to succeed. He needs to get the right tools and soon or he needs to modify his goals.

Love it. You left yourself a perfect out.

DBroncos4life
11-17-2011, 04:32 AM
At this very point, yes, only an idiot would not want Tebow at qb. like a christian hating rv driving idiot.

If he doesn't improve, fine, burn him alive. But, right now, at this very second, hating on Tim makes you either an a-hole,idiot, raiderfan,chiefs fan,charger fan, dumb**** or moron?

Which is it exactly?

Yeah all those things make a poster an idiot....what would you call a poster that makes a good-bye omane speach then stay???

bowtown
11-17-2011, 04:43 AM
I'd say no. jhns only likes 4 or 5 Broncos and most of them don't even play for our team any more.

Vegas_Bronco
11-17-2011, 05:16 AM
I heard if you don't like Tim Tebow, you don't like Jesus. No middle ground, just hard core.

Kind of like satan...I mean how in the hell do you not like Jesus..oh wait, yep in hell...nvrmnd. you gotta role hardcore to be a broncos fan otherwise we call you a redneck chiefs fan, a criminal raiders fan, or a morally casual chargers fan....all major mortal disappointments. (Representing with post 3333).

That One Guy
11-17-2011, 05:46 AM
I hope Denver doesn't have the same ****ty QB play next year that they have right now. Whether that's because a new, better QB is starting or because Tebow remembered how to throw a pass, I don't really care.

tsiguy96
11-17-2011, 06:21 AM
I hope Denver doesn't have the same ****ty QB play next year that they have right now. Whether that's because a new, better QB is starting or because Tebow remembered how to throw a pass, I don't really care.

cant really say hes playing ****ty, hes PASSING ineffectively but as a QB running an offense, hes 3-1 this year. being a QB is more about just passing the ball, his ability to run and threat of running is leaving the defense on the sidelines so when they get on they can force a 3 and out or whatever.

jhns
11-17-2011, 06:25 AM
I don't wanna end up 3 years down the road still being told this is the best chance to win. We already did that with Pocket Sloth.

Yes, 3-1 is so terrible. You raider fans really hate to see this team win.

Lets bring back Orton! 4-14 is much better for raider fan!

cmhargrove
11-17-2011, 06:47 AM
You don't have to like Tebow. Hopefully though you hope you are wrong about him. Still I was intrigued by his game last week. He almost hit a few other deep balls. This offense could be all ground and pound, some double and triple option to keep defense guessing, then just big time over the top long bombs into single coverage.

Is it just me? That is exciting football imo.

I'm with you 100%.

If I wasn't so lazy, I would pull a dozen or so of my preseason posts stating that this season "wasn't necessarily about the QB." For a rebuilding team such as ours, my mantra was "build the run game, and the defense." I had no idea this is how they would accomplish that, but they are going after the very problems that have plagued this team in the past 5 years.

The whole "Denver mystique" with running backs was all about the O-line. Somewhere along the line, we derailed that (when ZBS wasn't working so well), but the problem wasn't the scheme, or Rick Dennison, or the running backs. It was about finding the right guys on the line. Now, we have started to reinfuse with talent and have several starters who are high picks (first round, second round, third), and have the right mix from guys like Kuper that are performing well above their draft status (which is often true of Guards).

Next year, I hope we finally go bat **** crazy for D-Tackles. Let Tebow play. Build us a great team (like the Steelers), and we can mask the many deficiencies of our QB. In the meantime, he is pouring his guts on the field to help the team win. How can you love football, and not love what this kid brings on Sundays?

ColoradoDarin
11-17-2011, 07:40 AM
I'm with you 100%.

If I wasn't so lazy, I would pull a dozen or so of my preseason posts stating that this season "wasn't necessarily about the QB." For a rebuilding team such as ours, my mantra was "build the run game, and the defense." I had no idea this is how they would accomplish that, but they are going after the very problems that have plagued this team in the past 5 years.

The whole "Denver mystique" with running backs was all about the O-line. Somewhere along the line, we derailed that (when ZBS wasn't working so well), but the problem wasn't the scheme, or Rick Dennison, or the running backs. It was about finding the right guys on the line. Now, we have started to reinfuse with talent and have several starters who are high picks (first round, second round, third), and have the right mix from guys like Kuper that are performing well above their draft status (which is often true of Guards).

Next year, I hope we finally go bat **** crazy for D-Tackles. Let Tebow play. Build us a great team (like the Steelers), and we can mask the many deficiencies of our QB. In the meantime, he is pouring his guts on the field to help the team win. How can you love football, and not love what this kid brings on Sundays?

When we first implemented the ZBS, you could find your guys low in the draft because hardly any other teams were running the same scheme. As more teams started running it we needed to adjust and find better talent on the OL in higher rounds (Foster doesn't count, he wasn't a ZB RT, I have no idea what was going on there). We didn't do that until 2010 - we seem to have hit on Walton last year and Franklin this year, and even Beadles is looking much better with proper coaching.

Given the progress during the season, I can't wait to see what an entire off season with Magazu can do.

bendog
11-17-2011, 07:52 AM
no offense, but starting a poll because of anything angry llama says is pretty nutty. Dude's been an asshat from day one.

Turd_Ferguson
11-17-2011, 08:40 AM
Yes, 3-1 is so terrible. You raider fans really hate to see this team win.

Lets bring back Orton! 4-14 is much better for raider fan!

Didnt they start 6 and 0 with orton? You probably had you head up your a$$ and missed it.

jhns
11-17-2011, 09:11 AM
Didnt they start 6 and 0 with orton? You probably had you head up your a$$ and missed it.

Sure, and I had nothing bad to say at that time. I even started a thread about how I was wrong in the preseason because I lost a bet, which I didn't actually lose. I just acted too soon. But, Orton didn't take over one of the worst teams in the league and simgle handedly turn their season around. If he had, not only would I not have anything bad to say, I would be loving him.

No one can claim to be a Bronco fan as they only spew hate for the one guy that turned this teams season around.

Bronco Yoda
11-17-2011, 09:13 AM
Yeah... they're pretty handy to have.

Baling wire, pliers and duct tape... I kinda suspect any Mercedes Benz dealership would pass over a (mechanic) applicant who didn't have the proper Metric tools though. Just as a lot of NFL franchises would choose a guy who already has proper QB mechanics over one like Tebow who... needs to work on his "QB tools".

Ok, I defer. Anyone who can tune an engine by ear like you can ...:notworthy:D

Pick Six
11-17-2011, 09:19 AM
We're all "true" fans, but here's the bottom line. MANY people can't seem to come to grips that we'll probably never see another Elway in our lifetime. As long as we have a serviceable quarterback, I'm happy. People like to bring up Orton's losing record as a starter. If they were honest, they would admit that Orton wasn't responsible for all those losses. We had (and continue to have) a defense who couldn't contain an offense for anything. Now, we have Tebow. He does bring something a little different to the table. We'll see what transpires. I'm hoping for the best...:tebow:

TonyR
11-17-2011, 09:20 AM
No one can claim to be a Bronco fan as they only spew hate for the one guy that turned this teams season around.

You mean the way you spewed hate for the entire team, and anyone rooting for it, all of last year? And only have started making any positive comments about the team since Tebow took over?

jhns
11-17-2011, 09:21 AM
We're all "true" fans, but here's the bottom line. MANY people can't seem to come to grips that we'll probably never see another Elway in our lifetime. As long as we have a serviceable quarterback, I'm happy. People like to bring up Orton's losing record as a starter. If they were honest, they would admit that Orton wasn't responsible for all those losses. We had (and continue to have) a defense who couldn't contain an offense for anything. Now, we have Tebow. He does bring something a little different to the table. We'll see what transpires. I'm hoping for the best...:tebow:

Over the past two seasons, Orton is 4-14. Tebow is 4-3. I would say QB had something to do with the losses.

bendog
11-17-2011, 09:26 AM
We're all "true" fans, but here's the bottom line. MANY people can't seem to come to grips that we'll probably never see another Elway in our lifetime. As long as we have a serviceable quarterback, I'm happy. People like to bring up Orton's losing record as a starter. If they were honest, they would admit that Orton wasn't responsible for all those losses. We had (and continue to have) a defense who couldn't contain an offense for anything. Now, we have Tebow. He does bring something a little different to the table. We'll see what transpires. I'm hoping for the best...:tebow:

We were on the verge of Luck ...... (-:

jhns
11-17-2011, 09:29 AM
You mean the way you spewed hate for the entire team, and anyone rooting for it, all of last year? And only have started making any positive comments about the team since Tebow took over?

Wait, you think that not supporting a good thkng is the same as not liking the team being driven into the ground?

People like you are the worst kind of fan. You love the bad and hate the good. One could easily mistake you for a fan of a division rival.

TonyR
11-17-2011, 09:36 AM
You love the bad and hate the good.

Not remotely true. I root for the team week after week, year after year. I had doubts about Orton, for example, but there was no room for my complaints with the constant, unhinged bashing from people like you. Similarly I have doubts about Tebow but don't bash him but instead root for him and the team. The difference here is that he has far more support than Orton, for obvious reasons, but my concerns show up on your radar because they oppose your views.

jhns
11-17-2011, 09:39 AM
Not remotely true. I root for the team week after week, year after year. I had doubts about Orton, for example, but there was no room for my complaints with the constant, unhinged bashing from people like you. Similarly I have doubts about Tebow but don't bash him but instead root for him and the team. The difference here is that he has far more support than Orton, for obvious reasons, but my concerns show up on your radar because they oppose your views.

More like because you only post "concerns". You also try to shoot down any positive talk, just like most haters. What is the last positive thing you have said about the 3-1 QB? You acted the complete opposite with those that were horrible for this team.

Yeah, there was no way to see how crappy Orton and McDaniels were. I had it all pegged based on random guesses!

Pick Six
11-17-2011, 09:41 AM
Over the past two seasons, Orton is 4-14. Tebow is 4-3. I would say QB had something to do with the losses.

Does Orton play defense? The last time I checked, losses occur when the opponent scores more points that you. It's not all Orton. Like I said, though, Tebow DOES bring something different to the table. I'm hopeful that it works...

jhns
11-17-2011, 09:44 AM
Does Orton play defense? The last time I checked, losses occur when the opponent scores more points that you. It's not all Orton. Like I said, though, Tebow DOES bring something different to the table. I'm hopeful that it works...

So Tebow, who starts for the exact same team, doesn't have that defense to deal with? 5 of Ortons starts even came in between Tebows starts.

peacepipe
11-17-2011, 09:46 AM
So Tebow, who starts for the exact same team, doesn't have that defense to deal with? 5 of Ortons starts even came in between Tebows starts.the defense is playing alot better than they were when orton was QB.

jhns
11-17-2011, 09:47 AM
the defense is playing alot better than they were when orton was QB.

Why is that peacepipe?

Steve Prefontaine
11-17-2011, 09:47 AM
If you aren't sure and need someone to tell you whether you are or are not a fan, you aren't a fan.

Pretty simple.

Also, fan police are not new. See McD era.

Bronco Yoda
11-17-2011, 10:08 AM
the defense is playing alot better than they were when orton was QB.

That's because they're rested. That's what happens when you control the clock with running the ball. It's complimentary football.

That's why I like to say Tebow is a Force Multiplier. Even his weakness in the passing game has actually been a positive right now. It has forced the coaches to change their game plan. Which in tern has multiple consequences. Mostly good (so far).

It's popular to say that this offense is protecting Tebow. But in fact it's protecting our entire fragile team. The O-line is protected by run blocking. Our WR's are protected from their nasty habit of dropping the ball. The D- is protected by staying fresh longer. It all results in better field position and less turn overs. etc .etc.

Orton spun a nice ball but we were either 3 & out or him and Lloyd quickly marched down the field. Either way our Defense was on the field all the time. not good for a paper thin roster. Had we had a stud Runner and deeper Defense then things might have been different. But we are what we are.

Our field position is better now too because we're actually grinding out a few 1st downs. Our O-line is the second youngest in the NFL. It's much easier to run block than pass block for greenhorns.

So we're able to stay fresh in the 4th. And if it's close enough, Unlike Orton... Tebow is able to pull **** out of his ass to actually win. I'm as amazed by this as anyone... but he does. Facts are facts.

It all adds up to what's going on. Yes, Teebs is a jack-of-all-trades and Master-of-none right now... but this seems to add to the team more than it subtracts.

Now at some point hopefully we build a roster and the coaching staff gels. And the TEAM enters the next level. Then Tebow will have to improve and grow or he WILL be holding the team back. But we're not there yet. That's another bride. Another season away.

bendog
11-17-2011, 10:14 AM
That's why I like to say Tebow is a Force Multiplier. His weakness in the passing game has actually been a positive right now. It has forced the coaches to change their game plan. Which in tern has multiple consequences. Mostly good (so far).

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OMG

Bronco Yoda
11-17-2011, 10:17 AM
You like that one huh?....lol

Agamemnon
11-17-2011, 10:35 AM
Just come out and say it. THere were posters wanting Orton to fail so they can get Tebow in there. We even had Epic coming to the gam day thread spewing "3 and Orton" on drives that clearly werent his fault. He just wanted to so bad start off with that BS. It has been going both ways and the hypocrisy has been huge for many posters. "Orton can't hit a side of a barn" yet once Tebow got into the Miami game, not much of the same was said.

What you are saying is true to a degree. But at the same time the situations are completely different. Speaking for myself, I supported Orton through a season and some change, but it quickly became apparent that the guy couldn't make a play in clutch situations to save his life. After that, it became a slow torturous affair as we lost game after game, and I never really felt like we had much of a chance even in the close ones because of Orton.

Tebow on the other hand is a young guy that is learning how to play QB in the NFL under circumstances that are far from ideal, and yet he has managed a 4-3 record with the same roster Orton went 4-14 with over the past two seasons. People who aren't even willing to give the guy a shot clearly have ulterior motives as far as I'm concerned.

The guy has had some pretty impressive moments in his first seven starts. He's also had some major struggles. I would think most Bronco fans would at least be willing to let the whole thing play itself out before judging the guy (like I did with Orton), but I guess I'm wrong.

TonyR
11-17-2011, 10:37 AM
You also try to shoot down any positive talk, just like most haters. What is the last positive thing you have said about the 3-1 QB?

I don't try to "shoot down any positive talk". I do, on the other hand, sometimes attempt to temper it. Many people got carried away after the Miami game. They came crashing down to earth after the Detroit game. Now people are getting carried away again. I'm trying to be a voice of reason. Let's see how they do against the Jets tonight before declaring OMZG Teboz iz revolooshunizing the NFL!!!

TonyR
11-17-2011, 10:40 AM
I would think most Bronco fans would at least be willing to let the whole thing play itself out before judging the guy (like I did with Orton), but I guess I'm wrong.

I think by and large most people are. I have strong doubts but I'm rooting for him and not remotely declaring him a lost cause. I realize there are exceptions to this but they are by far in the minority. There are far more people policing every perceived slight of Tebow than there are people bashing him, and it's not even close.

jhns
11-17-2011, 10:42 AM
I don't try to "shoot down any positive talk". I do, on the other hand, sometimes attempt to temper it. Many people got carried away after the Miami game. They came crashing down to earth after the Detroit game. Now people are getting carried away again. I'm trying to be a voice of reason. Let's see how they do against the Jets tonight before declaring OMZG Teboz iz revolooshunizing the NFL!!!

That is just stupid. The only people even claiming he should be the QBOTF right now are guys like macgruder and alpha, who are obviously only here for Tebow.

All great fans try to temper excitement for their team. Especially when they are winning after the worst season in the franchises history...

epicSocialism4tw
11-17-2011, 10:48 AM
That's because they're rested. That's what happens when you control the clock with running the ball. It's complimentary football.

That's why I like to say Tebow is a Force Multiplier. Even his weakness in the passing game has actually been a positive right now. It has forced the coaches to change their game plan. Which in tern has multiple consequences. Mostly good (so far).

It's popular to say that this offense is protecting Tebow. But in fact it's protecting our entire fragile team. The O-line is protected by run blocking. Our WR's are protected from their nasty habit of dropping the ball. The D- is protected by staying fresh longer. It all results in better field position and less turn overs. etc .etc.

Orton spun a nice ball but we were either 3 & out or him and Lloyd quickly marched down the field. Either way our Defense was on the field all the time. not good for a paper thin roster. Had we had a stud Runner and deeper Defense then things might have been different. But we are what we are.

Our field position is better now too because we're actually grinding out a few 1st downs. Our O-line is the second youngest in the NFL. It's much easier to run block than pass block for greenhorns.

So we're able to stay fresh in the 4th. And if it's close enough, Unlike Orton... Tebow is able to pull **** out of his ass to actually win. I'm as amazed by this as anyone... but he does. Facts are facts.

It all adds up to what's going on. Yes, Teebs is a jack-of-all-trades and Master-of-none right now... but this seems to add to the team more than it subtracts.

Now at some point hopefully we build a roster and the coaching staff gels. And the TEAM enters the next level. Then Tebow will have to improve and grow or he WILL be holding the team back. But we're not there yet. That's another bride. Another season away.

^5

Mile High Mojoe
11-17-2011, 04:21 PM
You and your polls. What butt munch. When he deserves it pile on but give him a break the Broncos are winning NOW if you hadn't noticed.

gunns
11-17-2011, 05:03 PM
That's not at all what I said, bedpan.

I said that Broncos fans who are enjoying winning would prefer that people who pull for the Broncos to lose to hit the road or just shut up with the captious nonsense.

You guys have more in common with Raiders fans at this point.

Whoa, deja vu 2010. A blast from the past. THE FAN POLICE!