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Vine
11-15-2011, 11:45 PM
Let's face it... Denver SUCKS at wide receiver.

Decker is decent at getting open, but he cannot fight off a defender in close coverage for a ball.

Royal sucks at getting open.

DeMarius Thomas is a ghost.

Willis is no better than below-average to serviceable.

How many dropped passes does Tebow have every single week? It seems like he has at least 3 or 4 dropped passes, and it really pisses me off.

Speaking of hands...it just pisses me off that they traded away a stud playmaker who is 10x better than any other receiver on the team, and this pisses me off even moreso especially considering that they have gotten back in the division race.

KevinJames
11-15-2011, 11:51 PM
Join Date: Sep 2011 :nutkick:

Decker gets open a ton, Royal needs to be utilized better, and Demaryius has high ceiling but right now hes coming back from a tough injury.

WRs aren't getting enough of a chance to judge them

Look the talent is there we just don't have a QB that can throw the ball consistently right now. Bottom line.

beardedwonder
11-15-2011, 11:54 PM
all people do is complain


Besides royal, they all combine for under 20 starts

Baba Booey
11-15-2011, 11:57 PM
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i403/dperry7/1317700203292.jpg

lonestar
11-16-2011, 12:00 AM
Let's face it... Denver SUCKS at wide receiver.

Decker is decent at getting open, but he cannot fight off a defender in close coverage for a ball.

Royal sucks at getting open.

DeMarius Thomas is a ghost.

Willis is no better than below-average to serviceable.

How many dropped passes does Tebow have every single week? It seems like he has at least 3 or 4 dropped passes, and it really pisses me off.

Speaking of hands...it just pisses me off that they traded away a stud playmaker who is 10x better than any other receiver on the team, and this pisses me off even moreso especially considering that they have gotten back in the division race.


so you'd have kept an vocal head case in the locker room that is going to walk at the EOY, so we make a few more recpetions..

YEp that makes since..

the guy was a disruption, do you think that not throwing pass to anyone on that first drive would have sent him into orbit?

IN case you have not noticed we are running the ball and he knew that and wanted to be traded.. we got something for the clown..

Vine
11-16-2011, 12:01 AM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets. I don't care how inexperienced you are, it don't take NFL experience to know how to catch a damn football.

lonestar
11-16-2011, 12:02 AM
Join Date: Sep 2011 :nutkick:

Decker gets open a ton, Royal needs to be utilized better, and Demaryius has high ceiling but right now hes coming back from a tough injury.

WRs aren't getting enough of a chance to judge them

Look the talent is there we just don't have a QB that can throw the ball consistently right now. Bottom line.

anyone think that after Tebow has a few more weeks working with the first team timing might get better?

so far he has had 4 weeks. I suspect many of those practice hours have been focused on the running read options and not passing..

Vine
11-16-2011, 12:03 AM
8 Passes by Tebow. 4 were DROPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzIShKrZ9I

lonestar
11-16-2011, 12:03 AM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets. I don't care how inexperienced you are, it don't take NFL experience to know how to catch a damn football.

so if someone dropps tha ball are you going to boycott the team?

maybe not post here..

if that is the case see ya!!!!!!

Vine
11-16-2011, 12:05 AM
so if someone dropps tha ball are you going to boycott the team?

maybe not post here..

if that is the case see ya!!!!!!

Catch the ****ing ball.

Bronco Boy
11-16-2011, 12:31 AM
Tebow doesn't exactly throw perfect spirals. There are going to be drops.

Que
11-16-2011, 12:35 AM
Tebow doesn't exactly throw perfect spirals. There are going to be drops.

Neither does Peyton.

The Joker
11-16-2011, 12:35 AM
I'm pretty much giving Thomas a pass for this year. When he went down the consensus was that he'd be out for the year, I doubt he's anywhere close to 100%. Next season is make or break for him.

Decker is coming along brilliantly, complaining about him at all is ridiculous.

Royal's probably not going to be a good fit with Tebow at QB, unless they start getting him even more involved/effective in the option packages.

All in all though we should be looking to become a team that runs a lot of 2 TE sets and also utilizes the FB a lot.

For me WR is pretty low down on our list of priorities going into next offseason, unless the staff feel Thomas is a write-off.

sisterhellfyre
11-16-2011, 12:39 AM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets. I don't care how inexperienced you are, it don't take NFL experience to know how to catch a damn football.

"Better not see...?"

Or what?

Oooohhh, heap big Internet tough guy makes a threat!

Remind me to be impressed sometime.

Mogulseeker
11-16-2011, 12:40 AM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets. I don't care how inexperienced you are, it don't take NFL experience to know how to catch a damn football.

But it do take NFL experience when they linebackers want to take your head off.

bombquixote
11-16-2011, 12:41 AM
Don't worry. Things will be better after ElFox drafts a QB who can pass.

Houshyamama
11-16-2011, 12:51 AM
http://www.myfacewhen.com/images/122.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 01:11 AM
Neither does Peyton.

Elway threw some wobblers too.

The spiral of the ball should not be a problem for a pro WR. Daniel Fells had no problem catching a well-thrown wobbler while diving in the Miami game.

Rolandftw
11-16-2011, 02:05 AM
It amazes me that people blame our WR's for four "drops"

1. An underthrown ball to Decker that should have been a TD
2. A shovel pass to Royal that looked like it wasn't going to amount to anything
3. A five yard pass to Lance Ball or Spencer Larsen I believe
4. A legitimate drop by Decker
5. Eddie Royal's drop which would have had to be caught with one hand, since it looked like his left hand was being pinned/held

I dunno which 4 of the 5 are being counted as "drops" but I only count one drop that was a receivers fault that might have led to a first down. Passing wasn't a central part of our gameplan so acting like it's a "problem" doesn't make any sense to me.

It's not really fair to blame Tebow for only going 2/8 as 8 passes isn't enough to develop any amount of rhythm. And it's not really fair to blame the WR's for not having that big of an impact considering it wasn't a part of the gameplan/the drops that occurred were at least as much Tebow's fault as the WR's.

BroncoMan4ever
11-16-2011, 02:12 AM
i don't care if this team fielded Rod Smith, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and TO in their primes. if you are only throwing the ball 8 times a game, and only 4 of those throws are anywhere near on target, no receiver is going to look great.

add in, nobody has been able to figure out how to use Eddie, DT is coming off major injury, Willis was never really expected to be anything more than depth and Decker is really good at getting open, but once again when so few passes are attempted, it doesn't matter.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 02:23 AM
It amazes me that people blame our WR's for four "drops"

1. An underthrown ball to Decker that should have been a TD
2. A shovel pass to Royal that looked like it wasn't going to amount to anything
3. A five yard pass to Lance Ball or Spencer Larsen I believe
4. A legitimate drop by Decker
5. Eddie Royal's drop which would have had to be caught with one hand, since it looked like his left hand was being pinned/held

I dunno which 4 of the 5 are being counted as "drops" but I only count one drop that was a receivers fault that might have led to a first down. Passing wasn't a central part of our gameplan so acting like it's a "problem" doesn't make any sense to me.

It's not really fair to blame Tebow for only going 2/8 as 8 passes isn't enough to develop any amount of rhythm. And it's not really fair to blame the WR's for not having that big of an impact considering it wasn't a part of the gameplan/the drops that occurred were at least as much Tebow's fault as the WR's.

If you are paid to catch the ball, you better catch it if it hits you in the dang hands.

It really is that simple.

Armchair Bronco
11-16-2011, 03:35 AM
Can you imagine how different things would be if McStalin had drafted Dez Bryant instead of DT?

However, I'm a big fan of Decker and think he's turning into a great receiver. He needs to get a little more mean and fight for the ball. I think he starting to do justice to Easy Ed's old number.

The Joker
11-16-2011, 03:40 AM
Of the three deep balls that went incomplete one of them was what I would call a legit drop, the first one to Decker. Tebow could have led him a bit more, sure, but it was still a very catchable ball that he should have hauled in.

The one to Royal would have been a stunning catch, he was being interfered with and would have had to bring it in with one hand. You can't expect a guy to come down with that, especially not a smaller guy like Royal.

The one just before half time to Decker was a poor throw by Tebow that allowed the defender to recover and break up the pass.

All in all though, people are reading WAY TOO MUCH into such a small sample size.

fontaine
11-16-2011, 05:14 AM
Thomas gets a pass this year because of his injury and he hasn't really had enough time to develop into the offense.

Royal has to do better and Decker does get open frequently.

The much bigger problem right now are the TEs. With the zone read/spread offense we're running, especially with an unbalanced line the WRs are on one side of the field with Tebow on the other side after the snap.

That throw (sideline to sideline) is one of the most difficult to make in the NFL and shouldn't be attempted because it's a pick six with the ball in the air longer and the defender having less ground and more time to react.

So what do you do? Drag the WRs across the middle to give Tebow the passing option? But this will mean the Safeties can crowd the box even more and stop the run, it would take too much time for the play to develop anyway, and rob Tebow of the actual strong suit of his passing game which is his long ball.

Or the TEs have to do a much better job because they're closer to the middle (blocking along the D gap as opposed to spread out wide like the WRs) and release across the middle because that forces the LBers away from a possible run anyway, gives Tebow a bigger target on his side of the field, and allows the TE to turn into a blocker on the 2nd level if Tebow does use the option and run.

I'm not sure if Fells/Rosario are capable of doing this.

MacGruder
11-16-2011, 05:19 AM
I think the problem is more the coach - Fox. Not the players... Now, these offensive players wouldn't win a championship as is but they wouldn't look this bad.

But also keep in mind that Fox's offense is designed to make opposing offenses look bad.. and it does the same to his own as well.

oubronco
11-16-2011, 06:50 AM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets. I don't care how inexperienced you are, it don't take NFL experience to know how to catch a damn football.

Or throw it

jhns
11-16-2011, 06:52 AM
Or throw it

The receivers should throw it? That sure sounds smart.

Oh, you are saying that it isn't their fault that they don't catch balls that are in their hands. Got ya.

It is amazing how much hate "fans" have for the QB that just turned this teams season around. Many of you are a joke.

cmhargrove
11-16-2011, 07:07 AM
Lining up short timing plays with 2 WR sets isn't always going to light up the scoreboard. Just watch the games, the Broncos are creating success out of horrible failure and it is pretty damn awesome to watch. I also love how the team seems to be working together (on offense and defense). There is less dissention in the press conferences. The team is working collaboratively with no real ass clowns right now.

Just in case we let facts intervene in this discussion.

Eric Decker has more touchdowns than:
Greg Jennings
Jordy Nelson
Plaxico Burress
Vincent Jackson
Mike Wallace
Wes Welker
Dez Bryant
Larry Fitzgerald
and Dwayne Bowe

Decker must be worth something - but let's not let the facts get in the way of this thread. Carry on...

Hercules Rockefeller
11-16-2011, 07:17 AM
8 Passes by Tebow. 4 were DROPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzIShKrZ9I

1. Underthrown deep ball to Decker
-call it a drop if you want, but Tim underthrew an open WR

2. Pass to Royal on the sidelines
-not a drop

3. Shovel pass to Royal
-drop

4. Another underthrown deep ball to Decker that could have been picked
-not a drop and that's hilarious that that YouTube video claims that Decker ran the wrong route and that the ball was catchable. Tim threw a bad pass.

5. Pass in the flats to Ball
-drop

6. Completed pass to Willis

7. Dirt ball to Rosario
-not a drop

8. Beautiful pass to Decker.

Quit with the bull**** that there were 4 drops. There were 3 at most (Decker #1, Royal shovel pass, and Ball), and if anyone is going to bitch about Decker not making a play (he could/should have) it needs to be acknowledged that Tim underthrew him and a better pass is probably a TD.

Hulamau
11-16-2011, 07:21 AM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets. I don't care how inexperienced you are, it don't take NFL experience to know how to catch a damn football.



Or else what???

Kaylore
11-16-2011, 07:22 AM
Or else what???

LOL Or else he'll start more crappy threads with empty threats.

Hulamau
11-16-2011, 07:23 AM
Lining up short timing plays with 2 WR sets isn't always going to light up the scoreboard. Just watch the games, the Broncos are creating success out of horrible failure and it is pretty damn awesome to watch. I also love how the team seems to be working together (on offense and defense). There is less dissention in the press conferences. The team is working collaboratively with no real ass clowns right now.

Just in case we let facts intervene in this discussion.

Eric Decker has more touchdowns than:
Greg Jennings
Jordy Nelson
Plaxico Burress
Vincent Jackson
Mike Wallace
Wes Welker
Dez Bryant
Larry Fitzgerald
and Dwayne Bowe

Decker must be worth something - but let's not let the facts get in the way of this thread. Carry on...

thank you!

Hulamau
11-16-2011, 07:25 AM
LOL Or else he'll start more crappy threads with empty threats.

Ha! aint that the truth!

jhns
11-16-2011, 07:25 AM
1. Underthrown deep ball to Decker
-call it a drop if you want, but Tim underthrew an open WR

2. Pass to Royal on the sidelines
-not a drop

3. Shovel pass to Royal
-drop

4. Another underthrown deep ball to Decker that could have been picked
-not a drop and that's hilarious that that YouTube video claims that Decker ran the wrong route and that the ball was catchable. Tim threw a bad pass.

5. Pass in the flats to Ball
-drop

6. Completed pass to Willis

7. Dirt ball to Rosario
-not a drop

8. Beautiful pass to Decker.

Quit with the bull**** that there were 4 drops. There were 3 at most (Decker #1, Royal shovel pass, and Ball), and if anyone is going to b**** about Decker not making a play (he could/should have) it needs to be acknowledged that Tim underthrew him and a better pass is probably a TD.

So 3 of 8 being dropped isn't bad? Is this really your argument?

A lot of you haters also called those exact paases great when Orton threw them. Then, he had a real receiver to go get them. This team doesn't have a number one receiver.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-16-2011, 07:38 AM
So 3 of 8 being dropped isn't bad? Is this really your argument?

A lot of you haters also called those exact paases great when Orton threw them. Then, he had a real receiver to go get them.

Jesus, yeah ok, that's the argument that 3 drops aren't bad. It's pointing out the weekly moronic defense of Tim that it really wasn't that bad that he AGAIN couldn't complete 50% of his passes because there were so many drops. There weren't 4 drops and 1 of the arguable drops came off of a pass that no one can claim was a good pass. Decker was open and Tim under threw it.

But then you were the guy who claimed yesterday that Tim threw 0 bad passes the entire game when it's clear he underthrew Decker on his first two deep balls, and I don't think Fox actually believes Tebow threw that pass to Rosario away.

No one would call any of those passes great passes if they were from Orton, so quit with the straw man. We all know if someone calls you out they're a McFan or whatever because that's your default fall back position on everything. This isn't about Orton, this is about the current Broncos QB. No one sat there with Orton and claimed that he was much better than his stats indicated because "x" number of passes were dropped or the OL wasn't giving him enough time, but that's what people are doing with Tim because he still can't complete 1 out of every 2 passes is not his fault.

Rohirrim
11-16-2011, 07:43 AM
Maybe Tim's mechanics need work?

sinuous sausage
11-16-2011, 07:51 AM
yeah. The TEs getting in on the action would be a shweet hook-up. Decker is surpassing expectations, Eddie is a return guy masquerading as a receiver, and Bey Bey still has a bad wheel. I don't think Lloyd would much dig this running scene, so I for one am glad he's doing whatever he's doing in STL.

The biggest letdown for me this past Sunday was the loss of Knowshon: he and Tim are magic in the screen game.

jhns
11-16-2011, 07:51 AM
Jesus, yeah ok, that's the argument that 3 drops aren't bad. It's pointing out the weekly moronic defense of Tim that it really wasn't that bad that he AGAIN couldn't complete 50% of his passes because there were so many drops. There weren't 4 drops and 1 of the arguable drops came off of a pass that no one can claim was a good pass. Decker was open and Tim under threw it.

But then you were the guy who claimed yesterday that Tim threw 0 bad passes the entire game when it's clear he underthrew Decker on his first two deep balls, and I don't think Fox actually believes Tebow threw that pass to Rosario away.

No one would call any of those passes great passes if they were from Orton, so quit with the straw man. We all know if someone calls you out they're a McFan or whatever because that's your default fall back position on everything. This isn't about Orton, this is about the current Broncos QB. No one sat there with Orton and claimed that he was much better than his stats indicated because "x" number of passes were dropped or the OL wasn't giving him enough time, but that's what people are doing with Tim because he still can't complete 1 out of every 2 passes is not his fault.


You guys did call those goid passes when Orton made them. He constantly underthrew Lloyd, who is one of the best in the league at adjusting and getting back to those throws. Those were not bad throws. You can tell you are a clown hater because you are even trying to discredit what the coach said, as if he has been making excuses for bad passes...

Haters gonna hate.

"Fans" should always hate on the player that turned their teams season around. Are you under the impression that it was some other change that made this team suddenly start winning? Can you not save your hate until after he isn't winning games?

jhns
11-16-2011, 07:53 AM
Maybe Tim's mechanics need work?

Duh. That really isn't an excuse for the receivers though. Ball hits hands, receiver catch ball. Not that hard.

Arkie
11-16-2011, 07:55 AM
Look at the bright side. He's only completed one pass to the defense this year.

55CrushEm
11-16-2011, 07:59 AM
Can you imagine how different things would be if McStalin had drafted Dez Bryant instead of DT?

Oh, stop that crap. You can play that game all day.

Imagine if Shanny had drafted.....

In 2000....Shaun Alexander or Keith Bullock.....instead of Delth O'Neal

In 2001....Reggie Wayne, Todd Heap, Drew Brees or Kris Jenkins.....instead of Willie Middlebrooks

In 2002....ED REED!.....instead of Ashley Lelie

In 2003....(get this)....Nnamdi Asomugha, Dallas Clark or Anquan Boldin....instead of GEORGE FOSTER

In 2004....VINCE WILFORK instead of DJ Williams

In 2005....Vincent Jackson, Frank Gore or Justin Tuck....instead of Darrent Williams

I have to stop now.....too depressing.

Vine
11-16-2011, 08:00 AM
It amazes me that people blame our WR's for four "drops"

1. An underthrown ball to Decker that should have been a TD
2. A shovel pass to Royal that looked like it wasn't going to amount to anything
3. A five yard pass to Lance Ball or Spencer Larsen I believe
4. A legitimate drop by Decker
5. Eddie Royal's drop which would have had to be caught with one hand, since it looked like his left hand was being pinned/held

I dunno which 4 of the 5 are being counted as "drops" but I only count one drop that was a receivers fault that might have led to a first down. Passing wasn't a central part of our gameplan so acting like it's a "problem" doesn't make any sense to me.

It's not really fair to blame Tebow for only going 2/8 as 8 passes isn't enough to develop any amount of rhythm. And it's not really fair to blame the WR's for not having that big of an impact considering it wasn't a part of the gameplan/the drops that occurred were at least as much Tebow's fault as the WR's.

1. The underthrow to Decker (his 2nd deep ball) was a bad pass. I acknowledge this and a better throw would be a touchdown.

2. The shovel pass probably would not have gained much, but after watching the replay, it looked like it could have resulted in 3-5 yards.

3. The 5 yard pass to Lance Ball would have resulted in a 2nd and 5. This ball MUST be caught as it was a good pass and would dramatically increase the chances of converting a 1st down in the next couple of plays.

4. The legitimate drop to Decker (the 1st deep ball to Decker) I acknowledge was a slight underthrow, but it still was a pretty good ball.

5. Eddie Royal's drop... remember, the purpose of this post is not really an attack on the receivers, but an effort of trying to dispel the notion that Tebow is as bad a passer as people like to think. The throw to Royal was a picture perfect throw, and if Royal's left arm wasn't pinned, he would have made that catch and this could have resulted in a touchdown, if not for a long gain.

Jason in LA
11-16-2011, 08:07 AM
all people do is complain




Well, this is a message board. ;D

Sassy
11-16-2011, 08:07 AM
;DOr throw it

;D

sinuous sausage
11-16-2011, 08:11 AM
1. The underthrow to Decker (his 2nd deep ball) was a bad pass. I acknowledge this and a better throw would be a touchdown.

2. The shovel pass probably would not have gained much, but after watching the replay, it looked like it could have resulted in 3-5 yards.

3. The 5 yard pass to Lance Ball would have resulted in a 2nd and 5. This ball MUST be caught as it was a good pass and would dramatically increase the chances of converting a 1st down in the next couple of plays.

4. The legitimate drop to Decker (the 1st deep ball to Decker) I acknowledge was a slight underthrow, but it still was a pretty good ball.

5. Eddie Royal's drop... remember, the purpose of this post is not really an attack on the receivers, but an effort of trying to dispel the notion that Tebow is as bad a passer as people like to think. The throw to Royal was a picture perfect throw, and if Royal's left arm wasn't pinned, he would have made that catch and this could have resulted in a touchdown, if not for a long gain.

so pretty much any "drop" that wasn't on Tim had nothing to do with winning the football game

BroncoDoom
11-16-2011, 08:46 AM
Your annoying. shut up troll.

BroncoBeavis
11-16-2011, 08:50 AM
1. Underthrown deep ball to Decker
-call it a drop if you want, but Tim underthrew an open WR

2. Pass to Royal on the sidelines
-not a drop

3. Shovel pass to Royal
-drop

4. Another underthrown deep ball to Decker that could have been picked
-not a drop and that's hilarious that that YouTube video claims that Decker ran the wrong route and that the ball was catchable. Tim threw a bad pass.

5. Pass in the flats to Ball
-drop

6. Completed pass to Willis

7. Dirt ball to Rosario
-not a drop

8. Beautiful pass to Decker.

Quit with the bull**** that there were 4 drops. There were 3 at most (Decker #1, Royal shovel pass, and Ball), and if anyone is going to b**** about Decker not making a play (he could/should have) it needs to be acknowledged that Tim underthrew him and a better pass is probably a TD.

I'll agree with you on all but the first pass. That was a good pass. Not perfect. Maybe he could've led Decker another yard or so, but that's pretty nit-picky. You just don't see perfectly in-full-stride deep balls every game, even from top-tier QB's. We need a WR that makes those catches. Orton underthrew BL all the time, and he'd still make a play on the ball.

If you watch the video you can see the biggest thing was that Eric mistimed his jump. He had perfect position, but he was already on his way back down when the ball hit his hands.

gyldenlove
11-16-2011, 08:55 AM
What happened to the 5000 post rule?

http://youtu.be/YBsHxuNzCS4?t=1m14s

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 09:21 AM
Of the 6 incompletions last week, 5 of them hit receiver's hands. Considering half of them were low percentage, deep throws, that's not bad for a QB. Tebow's throws were perfect, but the receivers need to do a better job making plays on the balls and holding onto them.

Like every other thread, anti-Tebows will blame the QB. Pro-Tebows will blame the WR.

Objectively, both sides need to be better.

gyldenlove
11-16-2011, 09:28 AM
Of the 6 incompletions last week, 5 of them hit receiver's hands. Considering half of them were low percentage, deep throws, that's not bad for a QB. Tebow's throws were perfect, but the receivers need to do a better job making plays on the balls and holding onto them.

Like every other thread, anti-Tebows will blame the QB. Pro-Tebows will blame the WR.

Objectively, both sides need to be better.

I didn't see the first incompletion to Decker.

The 2nd deep incompletion to Decker was thrown outside and short, it should have been on the inside shoulder and 3 or 4 yards deeper and it would have been a sure TD, that was the only really bad throw of the day.

The deep Royal incompletion was a clear defensive PI, the CB has his arm wrapped around Royal's left arm to prevent the catch.

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 09:32 AM
I didn't see the first incompletion to Decker.

The 2nd deep incompletion to Decker was thrown outside and short, it should have been on the inside shoulder and 3 or 4 yards deeper and it would have been a sure TD, that was the only really bad throw of the day.

The deep Royal incompletion was a clear defensive PI, the CB has his arm wrapped around Royal's left arm to prevent the catch.

The first throw to Decker was underthrown, but not a horrible pass. The DB was draped on his back, but it appeared like Decker could have come down with the ball.

Like I said, the deep throws to Decker and Royal were low percentage. It's not like they were quick slants that Tebow was missing or the receivers were dropping.

Rolandftw
11-16-2011, 09:33 AM
If you are paid to catch the ball, you better catch it if it hits you in the dang hands.

It really is that simple.

If you are paid to throw the football, you better not underthrow it by 5 yards.

It really is that simple.

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 09:34 AM
The deep Royal incompletion was a clear defensive PI, the CB has his arm wrapped around Royal's left arm to prevent the catch.

I missed that during the game but saw it on replays. I'm sure Royal catches that ball if not for the PI.

cutthemdown
11-16-2011, 09:58 AM
Broncos will be looking to add a young WR to the mix next yr if Thomas doesn't come on big time by end of the yr.

cutthemdown
11-16-2011, 09:58 AM
I agree though Royal not physical enough to fight a dback for the ball. Don't really like him as anything but a 3rd or 4th wr who plays special teams.

Broncos_OTM
11-16-2011, 10:08 AM
so if someone dropps tha ball are you going to boycott the team?

maybe not post here..

if that is the case see ya!!!!!!

Weren't you just in another thread talking about Omaners eating their young?....

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 10:11 AM
Broncos will be looking to add a young WR to the mix next yr if Thomas doesn't come on big time by end of the yr.

I'd say there's a good chance Royal is gone next year, so Denver needs to address WR in the draft/free agency.

Mogulseeker
11-16-2011, 11:14 AM
If you are paid to catch the ball, you better catch it if it hits you in the dang hands.

It really is that simple.

I played a little WR back in the day. It's not that simple.

Mogulseeker
11-16-2011, 11:15 AM
I like Vine. He be smart.

Mogulseeker
11-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Oh, stop that crap. You can play that game all day.

Imagine if Shanny had drafted.....

In 2000....Shaun Alexander or Keith Bullock.....instead of Delth O'Neal

In 2001....Reggie Wayne, Todd Heap, Drew Brees or Kris Jenkins.....instead of Willie Middlebrooks

In 2002....ED REED!.....instead of Ashley Lelie

In 2003....(get this)....Nnamdi Asomugha, Dallas Clark or Anquan Boldin....instead of GEORGE FOSTER

In 2004....VINCE WILFORK instead of DJ Williams

In 2005....Vincent Jackson, Frank Gore or Justin Tuck....instead of Darrent Williams

I have to stop now.....too depressing.

- I wanted Heap in 2001. Never understood the Middlebrooks pick.
- 2005 is unfair because Williams was becoming a great corner until unfortunate events took his life.

Shotgun Willie
11-16-2011, 11:23 AM
- 2005 is unfair because Williams was becoming a great corner

OMane myth.

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 11:26 AM
OMane myth.

What was your previous username?

Shotgun Willie
11-16-2011, 11:31 AM
What was your previous username?

There was a discussion about Williams a few weeks ago.

gyldenlove
11-16-2011, 11:52 AM
- I wanted Heap in 2001. Never understood the Middlebrooks pick.
- 2005 is unfair because Williams was becoming a great corner until unfortunate events took his life.

Wasn't the Middlebrooks pick a panic reaction to Nate Clements and Will Allen being drafted just ahead of us and Shanny wanted a CB bad?

lonestar
11-16-2011, 11:57 AM
I'm pretty much giving Thomas a pass for this year. When he went down the consensus was that he'd be out for the year, I doubt he's anywhere close to 100%. Next season is make or break for him.

Decker is coming along brilliantly, complaining about him at all is ridiculous.

Royal's probably not going to be a good fit with Tebow at QB, unless they start getting him even more involved/effective in the option packages.

All in all though we should be looking to become a team that runs a lot of 2 TE sets and also utilizes the FB a lot.

For me WR is pretty low down on our list of priorities going into next offseason, unless the staff feel Thomas is a write-off.


IF they groom Tebow your spot on.. WR not a huge option and DIVA WRs are worthless as a teat on a boar.. so brandon had to go he was in contract tyear and was looking for loads of cathces and TD's to pad his final contract of his career, why he was a locker room cancer..

Eddie not sure what is wrong with him.. had a brilliant rookie season and has yet to meet those stats from that year since cumulatively .

Decker caught wevery thing thrown at him in College.. like a 87% catch rate IIRC.. so unless these CB's are in his head something else must be wrong.. IMO

also IMO the play calling needs to be a tad less run run run run run run run run by putting in some pass plays so Tebows arm does not go cold on him after warms ups..and to keep his confidence up..

Maybe instead of sitting on the sodelines he needs to throw the ball to keep it warm..

maybe they neeed to practice throwing the ball more in PRACTICE and not just concentrate on read option seems like they had that down pretty good the past few games..

I know that Tebow had a damned fine completion % in college and in a couple of games last year he lit it up in one game throwing for about 300 yards.. against the texans

DENVER BRONCOS
Passing Cmp Att Yds TDs
T. Tebow 16 29 308 1
Rushing Car Yds Avg TDs
C. Buckhalter 11 42 3.8 1
L. Ball 5 38 7.6 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TDs
B. Lloyd 5 111 22.2 0
J. Gaffney 4 90 22.5 0




http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010122609/2010/REG16/texans@broncos#menu=highlights&tab=recap


probably never be another Elway, but he is fun to watch..

lonestar
11-16-2011, 12:01 PM
lonestar
so if someone drops tha ball, are you going to boycott the team?

maybe not post here..

if that is the case see ya!!!!!!

Catch the ****ing ball.

guess you did not undertand the questions.. make it easier to read

so if someone drops tha ball, are you going to boycott the team?

maybe not post here..

enjolras
11-16-2011, 12:08 PM
The first throw to Decker was underthrown, but not a horrible pass. The DB was draped on his back, but it appeared like Decker could have come down with the ball.

Like I said, the deep throws to Decker and Royal were low percentage. It's not like they were quick slants that Tebow was missing or the receivers were dropping.

The first ball to Decker was a 50/50 ball. If you watch it closely, Carr gets his left arm in on the ball and knocks it away. It was actually just a nice defensive play. If the pass had been a yard or two deeper Carr never gets to turn and setup to make that play. It was a decent pass, but certainly not optimal.

It's the same thing with the second throw to Royal. Royal has his man cleanly beaten but the underthrown ball brings the cornerback back into the play. I do agree that it was interference (thought so when it happened). It was a low percentage throw for sure, but it wasn't a good one either.

The third ball to Decker was just a terrible pass. The video linked earlier is just comical ("the receiver runs in instead of out"). Decker is WELL past that defender, and the ball is BADLY underthrown. That's not a tight window, if Tebow puts that ball anywhere past Decker it's a TD. It was just a really bad pass.

Now those may be lower percentage passes, but they're going to have to be the ones Tebow hits for this offense to work. The medium and short routes are going to be really hard to come by as the defenses are going to be playing close to the line of scrimmage and back on their heels. The drop by Ball shows exactly what is going to be happening on those routes. The DE isn't rushing, he's containing that side. The linebackers and safeties are in zone and flow to the receiver and are on him as soon as the ball is there. Since no one is coming up hill those screen passes aren't going to be there in general. The linebackers are going to be playing soft zones over the middle.

These streak routes, posts, and comeback routes are going to be the throws Tebow HAS to make. It's a big play offense and he really does need to be better at making those big plays. These receivers are running to open not to.

lonestar
11-16-2011, 12:09 PM
Of the three deep balls that went incomplete one of them was what I would call a legit drop, the first one to Decker. Tebow could have led him a bit more, sure, but it was still a very catchable ball that he should have hauled in.

The one to Royal would have been a stunning catch, he was being interfered with and would have had to bring it in with one hand. You can't expect a guy to come down with that, especially not a smaller guy like Royal.

The one just before half time to Decker was a poor throw by Tebow that allowed the defender to recover and break up the pass.

All in all though, people are reading WAY TOO MUCH into such a small sample size.

Do you suppose that IF they would have had OTA's and more practice time.. All thw while understanding that Orton is a great practice guy(where he can't be touched) but not so great in live fire. Just perhaps Tebow would have seen more snaps prior to his being inserted at half time a few games ago?

Frankly the very limited time that Tebow has had to work with his WR's getting the timing down scares me..

Again I do not think he will ever be a P. Manning or Brady with his throwing % but he will be good enough to scare the Jesus out of DC when he does..

Mr. Elway
11-16-2011, 12:47 PM
Thursday night, I better not see more than 1 dropped pass against the Jets.

Or what - you have another meltdown?

UberBroncoMan
11-16-2011, 12:48 PM
I'm quite the opposite. I think we're great at WR. We just don't have an offense suited to them.

If we had Cutler throwing the ball in the West Coast Offense you'd think otherwise.

That's not the case though.

beardedwonder
11-16-2011, 12:51 PM
It's not a drop if the receiver had to turn into a CB. Annoying ass tebowners

BroncoBen
11-16-2011, 12:54 PM
Let's face it... Denver SUCKS at wide receiver.

Decker is decent at getting open, but he cannot fight off a defender in close coverage for a ball.

Royal sucks at getting open.

DeMarius Thomas is a ghost.

Willis is no better than below-average to serviceable.

How many dropped passes does Tebow have every single week? It seems like he has at least 3 or 4 dropped passes, and it really pisses me off.

Speaking of hands...it just pisses me off that they traded away a stud playmaker who is 10x better than any other receiver on the team, and this pisses me off even moreso especially considering that they have gotten back in the division race.


Give me a freaking break... the problem is not the WRs.. the problem is having a QB that throws the ball in the dirt, or behind the WR.

Why do you think the 'playmaker' Brandon Lloyd wanted out of Denver, he is in a contract year and knew playing with Tebow was not going to help him get his payday.

BroncoMan4ever
11-16-2011, 12:57 PM
Oh, stop that crap. You can play that game all day.

Imagine if Shanny had drafted.....

In 2000....Shaun Alexander or Keith Bullock.....instead of Delth O'Neal

In 2001....Reggie Wayne, Todd Heap, Drew Brees or Kris Jenkins.....instead of Willie Middlebrooks

In 2002....ED REED!.....instead of Ashley Lelie

In 2003....(get this)....Nnamdi Asomugha, Dallas Clark or Anquan Boldin....instead of GEORGE FOSTER

In 2004....VINCE WILFORK instead of DJ Williams

In 2005....Vincent Jackson, Frank Gore or Justin Tuck....instead of Darrent Williams
I have to stop now.....too depressing.

i am sorry, but DWill does not belong on that list of draft mistakes. i believe he was well on his way to being a star in this league. maybe not of the level of Champ and Revis, but a damn good corner in this league for years to come. the only way a case should be made to Denver not drafting him would be, had he not been Marshall's teammate he would still be alive.

snowspot66
11-16-2011, 12:59 PM
Give me a freaking break... the problem is not the WRs.. the problem is having a QB that throws the ball in the dirt, or behind the WR.

Why do you think the 'playmaker' Brandon Lloyd wanted out of Denver, he is in a contract year and knew playing with Tebow was not going to help him get his payday.

Cause he was lighting it up with Orton right?

ozomulsion
11-16-2011, 01:01 PM
Speaking of hands...it just pisses me off that they traded away a stud playmaker who is 10x better than any other receiver on the team, and this pisses me off even moreso especially considering that they have gotten back in the division race.

Slow down there speed racer. Lloyd is in a contract year. He would become a T.O. type of Locker Room Cancer after a game in which we attempt 8 passes!! You might want to give yourself a 500 post rule before you start another thread if you seriously think Lloyd would be good for this team.

cutthemdown
11-16-2011, 01:07 PM
Seriously though Broncos have way more need at TE then WR IMO. They need a TE who can block and get into the passing game.

bendog
11-16-2011, 01:17 PM
Cause he was lighting it up with Orton right?

Lloyd wanted out.

bronclvr
11-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Seriously though Broncos have way more need at TE then WR IMO. They need a TE who can block and get into the passing game.


Maybe someone like......................Daniel Graham?

2KBack
11-16-2011, 02:01 PM
Slow down there speed racer. Lloyd is in a contract year. He would become a T.O. type of Locker Room Cancer after a game in which we attempt 8 passes!! You might want to give yourself a 500 post rule before you start another thread if you seriously think Lloyd would be good for this team.

Seriously. Loyd wouldn't fit in this offense either. He isn't exactly known as a great blocker

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 02:27 PM
yeah. The TEs getting in on the action would be a shweet hook-up. Decker is surpassing expectations, Eddie is a return guy masquerading as a receiver, and Bey Bey still has a bad wheel. I don't think Lloyd would much dig this running scene, so I for one am glad he's doing whatever he's doing in STL.

The biggest letdown for me this past Sunday was the loss of Knowshon: he and Tim are magic in the screen game.

Good post........think we need one more reciever right now.

Put Eddie on returns where he is dangerous..............

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 02:29 PM
Seriously though Broncos have way more need at TE then WR IMO. They need a TE who can block and get into the passing game.

Yes TE would be TT best friend.............

Hercules Rockefeller
11-16-2011, 02:29 PM
You guys did call those goid passes when Orton made them. He constantly underthrew Lloyd, who is one of the best in the league at adjusting and getting back to those throws. Those were not bad throws. You can tell you are a clown hater because you are even trying to discredit what the coach said, as if he has been making excuses for bad passes...

Haters gonna hate.

"Fans" should always hate on the player that turned their teams season around. Are you under the impression that it was some other change that made this team suddenly start winning? Can you not save your hate until after he isn't winning games?

Calling someone a hater? Check.

Claiming people defended this with Orton? Check.

Doesn't address any issue that's directed at him? Check.

Good to see Jizz went into typical response mode when he was called out.

jhns
11-16-2011, 02:31 PM
Calling someone a hater? Check.

Claiming people defended this with Orton? Check.

Doesn't address any issue that's directed at him? Check.

Good to see Jizz went into typical response mode when he was called out.

You clearly didn't read the post I responded to.

Haters gonna hate.

It is okay. Your random McFan rant showed me why you are being a hater.

gunns
11-16-2011, 02:33 PM
8 Passes by Tebow. 4 were DROPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzIShKrZ9I

If you think all those were solely the WR's fault all I can say is you have a narrow mind. Tebow overthrew on one, plus several were tangled up with defenders. And that catch by Decker was awesome.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 02:48 PM
If you are paid to catch the ball, you better catch it if it hits you in the dang hands.

It really is that simple.

That's ridiculous. Tebow throws the ugliest ball in the nfl, and he still gets paid.

I cant believe people are complaining about the receiving core. Its a bright spot. Fox was quoted as saying the reason they aren't throwing the ball more is because TEBOW would be screwed in a regular offense. 8 pass attempts is strictly on TEBOW.

Oh and the crying about Lloyd being gone? Well Lloyd, who was quoted as saying "with Tebow you never know where the ball will end up.", didn't want to play with Tebow so they traded him. If Tebow was on the bench right now Lloyd would probably be on the field right now. And don't act like I'm saying Orton is better, I hated watching him, just don't act like the receivers are holding Tebow back.

jhns
11-16-2011, 02:50 PM
That's ridiculous. Tebow throws the ugliest ball in the nfl, and he still gets paid.

I cant believe people are complaining about the receiving core. Its a bright spot. Fox was quoted as saying the reason they aren't throwing the ball more is because TEBOW would be screwed in a regular offense. 8 pass attempts is strictly on TEBOW.

Oh and the crying about Lloyd being gone? Well Lloyd, who was quoted as saying "with Tebow you never know where the ball will end up.", didn't want to play with Tebow so they traded him. If Tebow was on the bench right now Lloyd would probably be on the field right now. And don't act like I'm saying Orton is better, I hated watching him, just don't act like the receivers are holding Tebow back.

It is funny seeing raider fans get all worked up now that we are winning.

lod01
11-16-2011, 02:58 PM
It's ok. They suck at QB too.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 02:58 PM
It is funny seeing raider fans get all worked up now that we are winning.

Easy Farva. Why don't you go clean the semen off your tim tebow poster.

What's not funny is watching Broncos fans throw the whole team under the bus to protect ONE guy. The receivers, the coaches, the fans, the front office, the O line, the defense... what next? Are you going to say the grass on the field wasn't set up for Tebow to succeed? The cheerleaders were distracting Tebow with their sinful ways? Maybe this goes to the top and Roger Goodell is holding Tebow back by not outlawing the forward pass.

Go fist yourself

lod01
11-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Easy Farva. Why don't you go clean the semen off your tim tebow poster.

What's not funny is watching Broncos fans throw the whole team under the bus to protect ONE guy. The receivers, the coaches, the fans, the front office, the O line, the defense... what next? Are you going to say the grass on the field wasn't set up for Tebow to succeed? The cheerleaders were distracting Tebow with their sinful ways? Maybe this goes to the top and Roger Goodell is holding Tebow back by not outlawing the forward pass.

Go fist yourself

Teblow won't be the first. See David Carr.

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 03:31 PM
If you think all those were solely the WR's fault all I can say is you have a narrow mind. Tebow overthrew on one, plus several were tangled up with defenders. And that catch by Decker was awesome.

Maybe so but it sure wasn't all on Tebow either. Several of those were catchable. They get paid to catch just like Tebow gets paid.

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 03:34 PM
That's ridiculous. Tebow throws the ugliest ball in the nfl, and he still gets paid.

I cant believe people are complaining about the receiving core. Its a bright spot. Fox was quoted as saying the reason they aren't throwing the ball more is because TEBOW would be screwed in a regular offense. 8 pass attempts is strictly on TEBOW.

Oh and the crying about Lloyd being gone? Well Lloyd, who was quoted as saying "with Tebow you never know where the ball will end up.", didn't want to play with Tebow so they traded him. If Tebow was on the bench right now Lloyd would probably be on the field right now. And don't act like I'm saying Orton is better, I hated watching him, just don't act like the receivers are holding Tebow back.

What receivers ? Decker and who ? Eddie and DT not getting open and no tight end action at all. You think somebody getting open wouldn't help.............??? LOL

jhns
11-16-2011, 03:46 PM
Easy Farva. Why don't you go clean the semen off your tim tebow poster.

What's not funny is watching Broncos fans throw the whole team under the bus to protect ONE guy. The receivers, the coaches, the fans, the front office, the O line, the defense... what next? Are you going to say the grass on the field wasn't set up for Tebow to succeed? The cheerleaders were distracting Tebow with their sinful ways? Maybe this goes to the top and Roger Goodell is holding Tebow back by not outlawing the forward pass.

Go fist yourself

As if any of this has happened. What a little drama queen bitch.

cutthemdown
11-16-2011, 03:48 PM
Maybe someone like......................Daniel Graham?

No he has hands of stone pretty much. It really needs to be a guy that is a weapon in the passing game.

Vine
11-16-2011, 04:27 PM
guess you did not undertand the questions.. make it easier to read

so if someone drops tha ball, are you going to boycott the team?

maybe not post here..



Catch the ****ing ball!

bendog
11-16-2011, 04:34 PM
There's a problem with blaming the recievers. Tebow has no ability to make a read after the snap, when the wr also makes a read, based upon coverage, and then put the the ball on a spot with the wr making a cut to get some seperation when the ball is already thrown. That's the basis for the nfl passing schemes, and what Brees and Rodgers are doing, and others are working towards being as good.

What Tebow is doing is trying to put the ball up so the WR can make a play on the ball. If you want to criticize Decker for not getting the ball, ok, but to me he's doing a pretty good job on "jump balls.' It's not in Royals' game to do that. D. Thomas should be able to do that but he's glass.

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 04:48 PM
I'm just curious. What completion percentage do people expect on those deep passes?

gunns
11-16-2011, 04:58 PM
Maybe so but it sure wasn't all on Tebow either. Several of those were catchable. They get paid to catch just like Tebow gets paid.

Did I say it was? I said one. Relax. He can still be your savior.

cmhargrove
11-16-2011, 05:05 PM
Seriously though Broncos have way more need at TE then WR IMO. They need a TE who can block and get into the passing game.

I would definitely drop a 3rd rounder on the Fleener kid from Stanford. He seems like a Jay Novacek type of target. He would be a great pickup if we stick with tebow.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 06:06 PM
As if any of this has happened. What a little drama queen b****.

Were you born retarded or was there some kind of accident?

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:09 PM
That's ridiculous. Tebow throws the ugliest ball in the nfl, and he still gets paid.

I cant believe people are complaining about the receiving core. Its a bright spot. Fox was quoted as saying the reason they aren't throwing the ball more is because TEBOW would be screwed in a regular offense. 8 pass attempts is strictly on TEBOW.

Oh and the crying about Lloyd being gone? Well Lloyd, who was quoted as saying "with Tebow you never know where the ball will end up.", didn't want to play with Tebow so they traded him. If Tebow was on the bench right now Lloyd would probably be on the field right now. And don't act like I'm saying Orton is better, I hated watching him, just don't act like the receivers are holding Tebow back.

It really is simple. If the ball hits you in the hands, its your fault that you drop it.

Quit trying to stupidify the issue for the moron Tebow haters.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 06:19 PM
It really is simple. If the ball hits you in the hands, its your fault that you drop it.

Quit trying to stupidify the issue for the moron Tebow haters.

It really is simple. If you can't throw the ball at an NFL level you shouldn't be allowed to start for an NFL team. If your team only throws 8 times because they think you would be screwed in a normal offense you should not be allowed to start.

Quit trying to stupidify the issue for the moron Tebow lovers.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:24 PM
It really is simple. If you can't throw the ball at an NFL level you shouldn't be allowed to start for an NFL team. If your team only throws 8 times because they think you would be screwed in a normal offense you should not be allowed to start.

Quit trying to stupidify the issue for the moron Tebow lovers.

The more the Broncos win, the more that you clowns will disappear and the rest of us can celebrate the upswing in Broncos football in peace without being hounded by a bunch of jealous haters who pretend that they're Broncos fans.

RaiderH8r
11-16-2011, 06:33 PM
Tebow doesn't exactly throw perfect spirals. There are going to be drops.

If they can touch it they should catch it. Period. That is the standard any self respecting receiver sets for himself.

Rolandftw
11-16-2011, 06:34 PM
I'm just glad Tebow has the opposite attitude of the majority of his fanbase.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:37 PM
I'm just glad Tebow has the opposite attitude of the majority of his fanbase.

^

Tebow is the Broncos QB.

If you don't like it, skidaddle and find another team.

I mean really...what sense does it make coming here and dogging the guy all the time if he's the QB of your team?

He's only played 7 games. He's going to play alot more. Probably all of next season as well. You guys should go ahead and hit the road and save yourself and everyone else some trouble.

Rolandftw
11-16-2011, 06:41 PM
Think it's ironic that you feel you're some ambassador for Denver Broncos fans...

Again, I'm glad Tebow and the Broncos realize that he's got to get better as the QB and that he'll put the work into doing it.

If he had the average Tebow fan's attitude, he would never been a QB even at the HS level.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 06:42 PM
Think it's ironic that you feel you're some ambassador for Denver Broncos fans...

Again, I'm glad Tebow and the Broncos realize that he's got to get better as the QB and that he'll put the work into doing it.

If he had the average Tebow fan's attitude, he would never been a QB even at the HS level.

I can guarantee you that every Broncos fan who is enjoying winning games and being back in the hunt just wants you guys to shut up and/or go away.