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DB-Freak
11-15-2011, 08:29 PM
What rookie wall?

I really wanted to avoid discussing Von Miller (+7.5) yet again (heís turning into PFFís Tebow) but while we keep waiting for his performances to level off and him to hit the rookie wall, he continues to improve while turning in dominant efforts. Against the Chiefs, Miller laid a shot on the quarterback five times (including one sack) and picked up three pressures besides. Itís amazing how quickly he can get into the backfield, and this was demonstrated early and often in Kansas City. At one point in the first quarter, he was graded positively on four consecutive plays, a sequence that ended with the sack. On that play, Miller fought through a pair of blocks so quickly that by the time Cassel saw the rush and tried to evade, he was already being brought to the ground. Our top-ranked 4-3 OLB made a few plays in the run game as well Ė including a tackle for loss on the first drive Ė and didnít make any glaring mistakes typical of a rookie. Now with a +34.7 overall cumulative grade, will Miller ever hit that rookie wall this season or continue soaring to new heights?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/15/re-focused-broncos-chiefs-week-10/

Garcia Bronco
11-15-2011, 08:57 PM
I am not totally plugged in around the NFL, but who could be ahead of him for DROY

rovolution
11-15-2011, 09:00 PM
I am not totally plugged in around the NFL, but who could be ahead of him for DROY

Aldon Smith is having a fantastic season out in San Francisco as is JJ Watt in Houston.

TheReverend
11-15-2011, 09:06 PM
I am not totally plugged in around the NFL, but who could be ahead of him for DROY

The usual suspects mentioned are Aldon Smith, Von Miller, Kerrigan and Peterson. Most have Smith in the lead but that's ridiculous to place him over Miller, imo.

OBF1
11-15-2011, 09:07 PM
PFF Game ball:

Again, we don’t want to heap accolades on Von Miller and discuss him in every single Re-focused, but as long as his play warrants these things he will continue to receive them. Miller’s presence has turned the Broncos from one of the worst defenses in the league into a truly intimidating one—no small feat for one man.

Classic

extralife
11-15-2011, 09:07 PM
It's going to come down to Aldon and Von. Right now Miller has the hype but Aldon Smith's team is 8-1. We'll see.

theAPAOps5
11-15-2011, 09:17 PM
I am not totally plugged in around the NFL, but who could be ahead of him for DROY

Yeah like it was said Aldon Smith is tearing it up too

cutthemdown
11-15-2011, 09:28 PM
The usual suspects mentioned are Aldon Smith, Von Miller, Kerrigan and Peterson. Most have Smith in the lead but that's ridiculous to place him over Miller, imo.

If Miller has a big game with the whole country watching Thursday night that would help him in that voting. Maybe a big sack, turnover, etc etc.

mattob14
11-15-2011, 10:09 PM
At this point, the only thing making it a contest between Miller and Smith is the 49ers record. Miller has more tackles (38 vs. 15), TFL (5 vs. 0), and sacks (8 vs. 6.5). And he's only getting better as the season goes along. He's getting double-teamed now and still making tons of plays. Forget about rookie rankings, Von's quickly becoming one of the more feared defenders in the league, period.

lonestar
11-15-2011, 10:17 PM
Game Notes:

- Moreno was the Broncos highest-graded runner on the day despite only playing five snaps, thanks to a hurdling run over Brandon Flowers that put the team in position for their first touchdown.

- Not to add insult to injury, but Cassel completed one of seven passes aimed 10 yards or more downfield and averaged 3.3 yards per attempt against the Broncosí suddenly fearsome pass rush.

- Rookie MLB Nate Irving saw his first snap on defense and picked up a QB hit when he was the only player to not bite on the play-action on Casselís touchdown pass.



PFF Game Ball

Again, we donít want to heap accolades on Von Miller and discuss him in every single Re-focused, but as long as his play warrants these things he will continue to receive them. Millerís presence has turned the Broncos from one of the worst defenses in the league into a truly intimidating oneóno small feat for one man.

alkemical
11-15-2011, 10:31 PM
good stuff, thanks!

epicSocialism4tw
11-15-2011, 11:15 PM
At this point, the only thing making it a contest between Miller and Smith is the 49ers record. Miller has more tackles (38 vs. 15), TFL (5 vs. 0), and sacks (8 vs. 6.5). And he's only getting better as the season goes along. He's getting double-teamed now and still making tons of plays. Forget about rookie rankings, Von's quickly becoming one of the more feared defenders in the league, period.

Von also has 2 forced fumbles and 5 stuffs.

Smith has 1 forced fumble and 0 stuffs.

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I'd argue that you can put Von up there with any defensive rookie in the league in terms of team impact. Von has changed the Broncos' pass defense. He has totally picked up the slack that Elvis left when he got hurt.

Guy is incredible, and its insane that the Broncos finally knocked a pick out of the park so completely.

Baba Booey
11-15-2011, 11:19 PM
The second, and I mean the second the new jersey designs are released, I'm ordering a Von authentic.

He's almost too good.

Shananahan
11-16-2011, 12:19 AM
Most have Smith in the lead but that's ridiculous to place him over Miller, imo.
Yeah, ridiculous is an understatement. Miller has spent much, much more time on the field this season and is being asked to do a wider variety of things.

fontaine
11-16-2011, 02:56 AM
If we can follow up that solid first draft for EFX with another one next year then it really pushes this team right back into playoff contention another year down the line.

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2011, 09:26 AM
If Miller has a big game with the whole country watching Thursday night that would help him in that voting. Maybe a big sack, turnover, etc etc.

To bad the whole country won't be watching as it on the NFL network which gets crappy ratings.

Von is a beast and really glad we ended up with him. He will be great and competing for DPOY awards in the future!

HooptyHoops
11-16-2011, 09:36 AM
The second, and I mean the second the new jersey designs are released, I'm ordering a Von authentic.

He's almost too good.

I never bye current player jerseys, but I am totally agreeing with you on this one.....what Von is doing is almost unbelievable!

TheReverend
11-16-2011, 09:51 AM
The second, and I mean the second the new jersey designs are released, I'm ordering a Von authentic.

He's almost too good.

God I love your username.

cutthemdown
11-16-2011, 09:56 AM
To bad the whole country won't be watching as it on the NFL network which gets crappy ratings.

Von is a beast and really glad we ended up with him. He will be great and competing for DPOY awards in the future!

Yeah but all the East Coast ESPN workers and football people will be watching.

Dutch
11-16-2011, 06:36 PM
Nice addition on Von, with a pretty nice mention of Quinton Carter:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Week-10-Rookie-Report-BroncosChiefs.html

Natedog24
11-16-2011, 08:08 PM
Guy is incredible, and its insane that the Broncos finally knocked a pick out of the park so completely.

Amen, its been long overdue...

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 08:36 PM
Most have Smith in the lead but that's ridiculous to place him over Miller, imo.

I agree... I think miller and kerrigan are both better than smith... Hopefully Miller puts up like 18 sacks by the end of the year...He would be hard to vote against if he can do that. Its amazing he can be that strong and that fast.

bowtown
11-16-2011, 08:50 PM
Von also has 2 forced fumbles and 5 stuffs.

Smith has 1 forced fumble and 0 stuffs.

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I'd argue that you can put Von up there with any defensive rookie in the league in terms of team impact. Von has changed the Broncos' pass defense. He has totally picked up the slack that Elvis left when he got hurt.

Guy is incredible, and its insane that the Broncos finally knocked a pick out of the park so completely.

Change rookie to player and your statement is still correct.

24champ
11-16-2011, 09:09 PM
The second, and I mean the second the new jersey designs are released, I'm ordering a Von authentic.

He's almost too good.

Your avatar kills me every time.LOL

mattob14
11-16-2011, 09:55 PM
I agree... I think miller and kerrigan are both better than smith... Hopefully Miller puts up like 18 sacks by the end of the year...He would be hard to vote against if he can do that. Its amazing he can be that strong and that fast.

As good as the physical skills are, what I like most is the way he finishes. Doom's been a good pass rusher for several years, but his sacks have typically ended with him using those long arms to wrap up and drag the QB down. As effective as that is from a down and distance perspective, I've never viewed him as a guy QB's really feared. When Von gets to the QB, he puts his head down, explodes into the QB and drives him into the ground. Those are the type of hits that lead to happy feet and bad decisions as the game wears on. Really glad Von's in orange and blue and can't wait to see how good he can be in a couple of years.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 09:59 PM
As good as the physical skills are, what I like most is the way he finishes. Doom's been a good pass rusher for several years, but his sacks have typically ended with him using those long arms to wrap up and drag the QB down. As effective as that is from a down and distance perspective, I've never viewed him as a guy QB's really feared. When Von gets to the QB, he puts his head down, explodes into the QB and drives him into the ground. Those are the type of hits that lead to happy feet and bad decisions as the game wears on. Really glad Von's in orange and blue and can't wait to see how good he can be in a couple of years.

Imagine what it feels like to see Von's lightning-strike first step on every down you call a pass play after he has put a lick on you.

You're going to be watching #58 on every snap...making your first read on his side of the field so that you can keep a sense of whether or not he has obliterated the tackle.

Turd_Ferguson
11-16-2011, 10:27 PM
As good as the physical skills are, what I like most is the way he finishes. Doom's been a good pass rusher for several years, but his sacks have typically ended with him using those long arms to wrap up and drag the QB down. As effective as that is from a down and distance perspective, I've never viewed him as a guy QB's really feared. When Von gets to the QB, he puts his head down, explodes into the QB and drives him into the ground. Those are the type of hits that lead to happy feet and bad decisions as the game wears on. Really glad Von's in orange and blue and can't wait to see how good he can be in a couple of years.

So true. Every time Von hit Casshole I wasn't sure he was going to get back up. His great form and not head hunting allow him to hit the QB as the ball is leaving and avoid 15 yard penalties... its awesome to watch. Its like a boxer dropping huge body shots over and over. Can't wait to see this guy live again.

Shananahan
11-16-2011, 10:33 PM
Doom's been a good pass rusher for several years, but his sacks have typically ended with him using those long arms to wrap up and drag the QB down.
To be fair, I think a lot of this has to do with being held on almost every snap he actually pins his ears back and rushes the QB.

Vegas_Bronco
11-16-2011, 10:34 PM
Von milller > Von Doom

broncocalijohn
11-17-2011, 12:11 AM
Von milller > Von Doom

I wish it was more like
Von Miller =Doom

With Miller ever such presence in the backfield, we all thought it would be a massive tandem in the sack department.

Bronco Yoda
11-17-2011, 03:16 AM
Miller is just awesome.

This is what it's like to get to pick top draft choices.

cutthemdown
11-17-2011, 03:46 AM
I wish it was more like
Von Miller =Doom

With Miller ever such presence in the backfield, we all thought it would be a massive tandem in the sack department.

Dooms been injured and missed a whole yr. He's just now looking good again. Look out back half of the season you may see a dynamic duo.

mattob14
11-17-2011, 09:50 PM
To be fair, I think a lot of this has to do with being held on almost every snap he actually pins his ears back and rushes the QB.

I certainly don't mean to knock Doom. He's a very effective pass rusher and great compliment to Miller. I've just never seen that intimidation factor with him that I see in Miller.