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GreatBronco16
11-15-2011, 07:08 PM
Thought this was funny. I hope Tebow burns the little sleepy head on Thursday.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7239313/new-york-jets-cb-darrelle-revis-not-sold-tim-tebow-led-denver-broncos

peacepipe
11-15-2011, 07:12 PM
Thought this was funny. I hope Tebow burns the little sleepy head on Thursday.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7239313/new-york-jets-cb-darrelle-revis-not-sold-tim-tebow-led-denver-broncos

considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

Bronx33
11-15-2011, 07:15 PM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.


Take your positive attitude and roll it up into a cylinder and pack it in your a**.

GreatBronco16
11-15-2011, 07:20 PM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

Yeah maybe.......Esp if Decker and Royal continue to not fight for the ball and wait for the most perfect pass to just drop in their lap.;D

TheReverend
11-15-2011, 07:22 PM
I hope he'll be bored too.

GreatBronco16
11-15-2011, 07:24 PM
T E B TE BOW BOW BOW.;D


Naw, that just won't work will it.

strafen
11-15-2011, 07:28 PM
We're poised to surprise them with the long ball at some point during the game, obviously.
We saw that against the chiefs, and while not as successful as we wanted it, it was still close to a completion on a couple of times.

Run, run, run, and run some more, plays to our advantage when we decide to throw the ball. I don't like it, but hey, seems to be working.
I at one point this season would want to see the passing game established some more.
We've got to. I don't think this is the game plan or the type of offense we're going forward with for years to come. I sure hope not, so again, seeing the passing game being more solid would be a plus...

KS Bronco
11-15-2011, 07:28 PM
not sure why he doesnt think that cb's are not involved in the run game defense. he should watch some film on champ and see how a real corner plays complete defense

errand
11-15-2011, 07:29 PM
Well that last paragraph should put to rest the Fox doesn't support Tebow and want him to fail ****...

"that's like buying a ferarri and putting sugar in the gas tank"

errand
11-15-2011, 07:34 PM
Their safeties sucked last game...Gronkowski ate them alive...Fells isn't as athletic, but he's probably good enough and I predict a big day for him...which with Tebow as our QB means 1 catch for like 40 yards and a TD

Tombstone RJ
11-15-2011, 07:37 PM
I guess CBs don't worry about the run in the jets defense? I'm thinking that Revis is going to come away sore from this game win or lose. He's probably crapping his pants thinking about all the tackling he's going to actually have to do. Yah, he may not have to worry about many passes coming his way, but this offense will present him with the problem of putting his shoulders down and tackling again and again... not fun when your payed to cover people...

orinjkrush
11-15-2011, 07:37 PM
still bored after the Pastriots?

Popps
11-15-2011, 07:37 PM
Their safeties sucked last game...Gronkowski ate them alive...Fells isn't as athletic, but he's probably good enough and I predict a big day for him...which with Tebow as our QB means 1 catch for like 40 yards and a TD

Fells caught the ball very well earlier this season. Good call, imo. It's a bit surprising we haven't been targeting them more the past couple of weeks.

MacGruder
11-15-2011, 07:40 PM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

Is the problem Tebow throwing the ball or is the problem throwing the ball in John Fox's offense.. it seems no one can throw the ball well with him.

Even Orton was awful with Fox compared to when he played under McD..

GreatBronco16
11-15-2011, 07:40 PM
Fells caught the ball very well earlier this season. Good call, imo. It's a bit surprising we haven't been targeting them more the past couple of weeks.

I believe they have been doing nothing but helping with pass blocking. All 8 times or so.

Tombstone RJ
11-15-2011, 07:42 PM
I'm hoping D. Thomas gets involved with this offense. If there is one WR that can present Revis with problems it's him. Some play action would be nice...

extralife
11-15-2011, 08:04 PM
Their safeties sucked last game...Gronkowski ate them alive...Fells isn't as athletic, but he's probably good enough and I predict a big day for him...which with Tebow as our QB means 1 catch for like 40 yards and a TD

So you're comparing a Hall of Fame QB, who is probably the second best guy at the position in the league right now, throwing to probably the best TE in the game right now to....Tebow to Fells?

broncogary
11-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Here's hoping Tebow busts one and gets to run over Revis. That'll put him to sleep.

theAPAOps5
11-15-2011, 08:15 PM
He should read Goodbye Orangemane then

errand
11-15-2011, 08:22 PM
So you're comparing a Hall of Fame QB, who is probably the second best guy at the position in the league right now, throwing to probably the best TE in the game right now to....Tebow to Fells?

No..I'm saying their safeties suck which means you and i could probably cause them problems

Marshall Dumervil
11-15-2011, 08:23 PM
Here's hoping Tebow busts one and gets to run over Revis. That'll put him to sleep.

Or how McGahee blew up that raiders db. Makes me smile just thinking about it. :spit:

Popps
11-15-2011, 08:24 PM
I believe they have been doing nothing but helping with pass blocking. All 8 times or so.

And actually, the few times I could key in on them the past couple weeks... doing an excellent job of it. I even saw Thomas looking pretty good on a couple of blocks.

Mogulseeker
11-15-2011, 08:27 PM
So..... Revis doesn't provide run support?

That's what I got from that.

Blueflame
11-15-2011, 08:28 PM
My hope is that a synonym for "bored" (drilled) is what he is on Thursday...

zdoor
11-15-2011, 09:01 PM
Their safeties sucked last game...Gronkowski ate them alive...Fells isn't as athletic, but he's probably good enough and I predict a big day for him...which with Tebow as our QB means 1 catch for like 40 yards and a TD

NAh...2 catches for 45 and a TD;)

broncocalijohn
11-15-2011, 09:03 PM
not sure why he doesnt think that cb's are not involved in the run game defense. he should watch some film on champ and see how a real corner plays complete defense

Flowers had 4 tackles and Carr had 1. I hope he thinks it will be boring. He better be prepared to stop the run because it is probably the only way that the ball will be near him.

lonestar
11-15-2011, 09:05 PM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

considering that interceptions have not been an issue in Tebows career..

I suspect this is just wishful thinking on your part..

peacepipe
11-15-2011, 09:14 PM
revis is no slouch,there is a reason most qbs don't throw his way,& those are the accurate ones. tebow is not an accurate passer.

lonestar
11-15-2011, 09:21 PM
revis is no slouch,there is a reason most qbs don't throw his way,& those are the accurate ones. tebow is not an accurate passer.

seems to me that every pass he threw on sunday hit the receivers hands save one short pass in the flat that was a one hopper..

or did I miss others?

Now they were not pretty, but looked accurate to me.. Every one had a chance to make the catch.

Seems to me you're expecting Tebow who is still so to speak in his rookie year to look like Elway did at the end of his career..

am I wrong?

MacGruder
11-15-2011, 09:25 PM
revis is no slouch,there is a reason most qbs don't throw his way,& those are the accurate ones. tebow is not an accurate passer.

Then why is he winning more than Orton? You really think the Broncos could run if defenses didn't have to account for his passing?

If that was the case teams would be putting runningbacks at QB.. Tebow isn't that unique of a runner.. just for a QB that CAN pass..

peacepipe
11-15-2011, 09:27 PM
seems to me that every pass he threw on sunday hit the receivers hands save one short pass in the flat that was a one hopper..

or did I miss others?

Now they were not pretty, but looked accurate to me.. Every one had a chance to make the catch.

Seems to me you're expecting Tebow who is still so to speak in his rookie year to look like Elway did at the end of his career..

am I wrong?

now if you can remove your mouth from tebows dick,you'll see the same thing I'm seeing that he sucks passing the ball.

peacepipe
11-15-2011, 09:29 PM
Then why is he winning more than Orton? You really think the Broncos could run if defenses didn't have to account for his passing?If that was the case teams teams would be putting runningbacks at QB.. Tebow isn't that unique of a runner.. just for a QB that CAN pass..

what passing you ****ing dumbass! 2/8 means you suck. also WHO THE FU_K HAS HE BEATEN!

maher_tyler
11-15-2011, 09:38 PM
what passing you ****ing dumbass! 2/8 means you suck. also WHO THE FU_K HAS HE BEATEN!

So the ball hitting guys in the hands and them dropping it is Tim's fault?

strafen
11-15-2011, 09:40 PM
what passing you ****ing dumbass! 2/8 means you suck. also WHO THE FU_K HAS HE BEATEN!I'm curious...
Are you a btonco fan, or do you have a team you root for?
What team do you root for?

maher_tyler
11-15-2011, 09:51 PM
I'm curious...
Are you a btonco fan, or do you have a team you root for?
What team do you root for?

I know right?! At some point our WRs need to make a play. It might not be a perfect ball but when you get your hands on it you need to make a play. Everyone so eager to jump on Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
11-15-2011, 09:55 PM
Here's hoping Tebow busts one and gets to run over Revis. That'll put him to sleep.

Thats exactly what I thought too.

I hope that Tebow trucks Revis.

Its an insult to Champ that this guy is even mentioned by Jets fans in the same sentence. I have seen Revis. He's no Champ Bailey.

epicSocialism4tw
11-15-2011, 10:00 PM
what passing you ****ing dumbass! 2/8 means you suck. also WHO THE FU_K HAS HE BEATEN!

It will be fun if we win the AFC West and you bigots disappear.

strafen
11-15-2011, 10:03 PM
I know right?! At some point our WRs need to make a play. It might not be a perfect ball but when you get your hands on it you need to make a play. Everyone so eager to jump on Tebow.Everybody saw what happened.
Tebow was as accurate as any QB in any given Sunday.
He's got passes dropped just like any other QB.
Why is it magnified when is Tebow, it's BS!!!
That pass dropped by the goaline was a sure 6 right there.
The way the game was going, 24 points in our favor would've constituted a rout!

Pick Six
11-15-2011, 10:09 PM
A stat I found interesting is that Tebow has THROWN a TD in each of his 7 starts. It should continue...

strafen
11-15-2011, 10:10 PM
A stat I found interesting is that Tebow has THROWN a TD in each of his 7 starts. It should continue...I think he's close to some sort of record in that regard...

extralife
11-15-2011, 10:42 PM
I think he's close to some sort of record in that regard...

If you're talking to start a career, maybe. elsewise: lol. Johny U had 47 in a row.

Pick Six
11-15-2011, 10:44 PM
If you're talking to start a career, maybe. elsewise: lol. Johny U had 47 in a row.

It's a significant stat, given the perception that Tebow can't throw...

Dagmar
11-15-2011, 10:48 PM
Thats exactly what I thought too.

I hope that Tebow trucks Revis.

Its an insult to Champ that this guy is even mentioned by Jets fans in the same sentence. I have seen Revis. He's no Champ Bailey.

That would just be fantastic.

This games coming too fast for me, things are going awesome, I want to savor it...

Hopefully this one comes too fast for the Jets too, we get the win and get 10 days to prep for a huge division game.

lonestar
11-15-2011, 10:54 PM
now if you can remove your mouth from tebows dick,you'll see the same thing I'm seeing that he sucks passing the ball.

wow you really have a way with your words.. I'm awestruck..

as for Tebow, he did not have a 65%+ passing completion in college because his passing sucks..

I realize that he has done something to you for you to hate the guy so much..

But you might want to give the kid, and that is what he is 6.5 games played in the NFL, a break..

but then being an asshole seems to be easier than logical thought..

I realize that might be more than you re capable of.. I realize that might be more than you re capable of..

Shananahan
11-15-2011, 11:24 PM
So..... Revis doesn't provide run support?

That's what I got from that.
I think Revis is actually a very good tackling CB for his size. Every time I've watched him he's looked sound and willing.

CEH
11-16-2011, 01:35 AM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 01:48 AM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

All head coaches at this level have the resources to plan for the Broncos' new offense.

What is fascinating is the prospect that the Broncos could still possibly execute it and win.

The Raiders planned for it and Denver still dominated the game to the tune of 300 rushing yards and 38 points.

The Chiefs planned for it and they couldn't get the ball away from the Broncos long enough to get their offense rolling. Denver ran for close to 250 yards despite losing their #1 and #2 backs in the first quarter.

It really is pretty fascinating to see how this plays out, because we could be watching the game change right in front of our eyes.

Durango
11-16-2011, 01:48 AM
The Jets are going to sell out against the run, of course. I would love to see Fox game plan this thing so we screen them to death. Those run blitzes would look pretty foolish as Ball or whomever gallops on down the field.

I do think this game plan will be more balanced, or an attempt at it at any rate. When all else fails, just cram it down their throats, or in the case of Revis, up his a**. That might keep him occupied.

MacGruder
11-16-2011, 02:05 AM
what passing you ****ing dumbass! 2/8 means you suck. also WHO THE FU_K HAS HE BEATEN!

Just because you DON'T pass doesn't man you CAN'T pass. It just means your running AND passing capability gives your team a huge advantage.

MacGruder
11-16-2011, 02:18 AM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

Does it have a section devoted to concrete cyanide?

The option with your average QB is one thing.. the option with Tebow running it is quite a bit different.

It's like the difference between defending post players in basketball and then defending the post player SHAQ in basketball..

That's my theory at least.. we will see how it plays out. Though this requires all things to be equal.. even a great Shaq on a bad team with bad coaching didn't win championships..

canadianbroncosfan
11-16-2011, 04:31 AM
Does it have a section devoted to concrete cyanide?

The option with your average QB is one thing.. the option with Tebow running it is quite a bit different.

It's like the difference between defending post players in basketball and then defending the post player SHAQ in basketball..

That's my theory at least.. we will see how it plays out. Though this requires all things to be equal.. even a great Shaq on a bad team with bad coaching didn't win championships..

God damn it MacGruder, why did you change your picture? I just got tricked into reading your last two posts. FML

MacGruder
11-16-2011, 05:35 AM
Your hate makes me stronger...

fontaine
11-16-2011, 05:46 AM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

I'm guessing not.

The chiefs/raiders had more time and couldn't do it.

Their strength is their secondary and pass rush. Both of which can be minimized by a run heavy offense.

Bronco Yoda
11-16-2011, 05:47 AM
I don't expect Tebow to challenge Revis. But I'd love to see him burn him :).

Revis IMO is a decent tackler. They'll be able to man-up on the corners and load up the box. We're going to have to throw it more. I think we can.

jhns
11-16-2011, 05:55 AM
Good. Get bored so we can throw a 56 yard bomb over your head to clinch the game.

footstepsfrom#27
11-16-2011, 05:56 AM
I don't think this is the game plan or the type of offense we're going forward with for years to come.
It's not. No more than the dumbed down version of Shanny's playbook he installed for Cutler when he first started (or for that matter the one Jake worked with) was in his long range plans. That's why I think these analysts are almost all morons, because they keep harping on this like it's the way it will be for this guy from now on, that he'll never be able to throw it consistently, that accuracy can't be taught (why do pitchers have coaches or basketball players practice free throws if that's the case?), blah blah blah...if they have the guts to stick with Tebow through the learning process instead of panicking we'll have a phenomenal player for years and years, and he will develop into a legit NFL signal caller, of that I have no doubt.

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 06:03 AM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

Yes because he turns the ball over so often.............

what fan of any team hopes for the worst..........?

jhns
11-16-2011, 06:05 AM
Yes because he turns the ball over so often.............

what fan of any team hopes for the worst..........?

Read his posts. You aren't responding to a fan of this team.

Shotgun Willie
11-16-2011, 07:08 AM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

More like 2 days. They played Sunday night and they have to travel to Denver. Doesn't leave much time at all to prepare for a completely different offense (the polar opposite in fact) in terms of what they just faced.

Broncoman13
11-16-2011, 07:51 AM
If Revise is bored it will be a very good day for the Broncos.... It will mean that we are ahead and able to run the ball. The only way I see Tebow throwing the ball 20+ times is if we are down.

On a side note, Alfred Williams had a great question last night. Do you want the Broncos to go all in with this sort of offensive philosophy? If yes, then does that still hold true for other QBs? For example, would you want the Broncos to draft a guy like Robinson or Thomas to run the Zone Read... Both of which appear to be better in terms of speed and running ability. FTR I only want this offense b/c it suits Tebow and I am a big Tebow fan. But I wouldn't want the team to draft exclusively for this type of system. Kind of an eye opener for me when you look at it that way.

Steve Prefontaine
11-16-2011, 08:01 AM
now if you can remove your mouth from tebows dick, you'll see I'm sucking his balls.

ew, gross.

MplsBronco
11-16-2011, 08:12 AM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

If you are going to troll, at least try to do it with some relevant material. How many picks does Tebow have? Idiot.

TheReverend
11-16-2011, 08:21 AM
If Revise is bored it will be a very good day for the Broncos.... It will mean that we are ahead and able to run the ball. The only way I see Tebow throwing the ball 20+ times is if we are down.

On a side note, Alfred Williams had a great question last night. Do you want the Broncos to go all in with this sort of offensive philosophy? If yes, then does that still hold true for other QBs? For example, would you want the Broncos to draft a guy like Robinson or Thomas to run the Zone Read... Both of which appear to be better in terms of speed and running ability. FTR I only want this offense b/c it suits Tebow and I am a big Tebow fan. But I wouldn't want the team to draft exclusively for this type of system. Kind of an eye opener for me when you look at it that way.

Someone should remind Alfred how large playbooks are and how there's plenty of room for this and a traditional pro set.

Going "all in" on Tebow has become such a horrid and unnecessary cliche, imo.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-16-2011, 08:33 AM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

Not saying he wont stop it but...1) i dont think the kind of option we run was around in 1999. Its just a zone play with a backside option.

2) Football, more than any sport, is muscle memory and instinct. I dont care if they have "a plan," executing said plan in the line of fire when youre not used to doing it is a different story.

The Jets are more talented than the cheifs, so i dont expect us to have the SAME success, but again, we've proven we can do more than simply run the option

Steve Sewell
11-16-2011, 08:35 AM
God damn it MacGruder, why did you change your picture? I just got tricked into reading your last two posts. FML

lol I was thinking the same thing.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-16-2011, 08:36 AM
Someone should remind Alfred how large playbooks are and how there's plenty of room for this and a traditional pro set.

Going "all in" on Tebow has become such a horrid and unnecessary cliche, imo.

This. Its crazy how short people's memories are. Tim dropped back 21 times and threw the ball with success against oakland. He proved he could throw the ball with success against houston. In a 2 minute drill, he proved he could throw the ball with success against Miami.

We play one game where we run the ball almost exclusively and suddenly everyone forgets the past and assumes we'll just run the veer from here on in.

Dagmar
11-16-2011, 08:42 AM
God damn it MacGruder, why did you change your picture? I just got tricked into reading your last two posts. FML

Now it's just a giant red flag out of the corner of my ye, so I know to avoid. We need to get peacepipe one of those too...

Dagmar
11-16-2011, 08:44 AM
This. Its crazy how short people's memories are. Tim dropped back 21 times and threw the ball with success against oakland. He proved he could throw the ball with success against houston. In a 2 minute drill, he proved he could throw the ball with success against Miami.

We play one game where we run the ball almost exclusively and suddenly everyone forgets the past and assumes we'll just run the veer from here on in.

I haven't understood it from here to the media, he threw for over 300 yards in his first NFL start!

He can throw the ball. we'd go through 5 or 6 RB's a year running it 55 times and throwing 8 Ha! !

zdoor
11-16-2011, 08:46 AM
A "W" would sure be nice....

This is getting old.

TheReverend
11-16-2011, 08:53 AM
A "W" would sure be nice....

This is getting old.

Sweeping the eternally overrated AFCE would do wonders toward brightening my year.

zdoor
11-16-2011, 08:57 AM
Sweeping the eternally overrated AFCE would do wonders toward brightening my year.

Mine too...

Durango
11-16-2011, 11:14 AM
If Revise is bored it will be a very good day for the Broncos.... It will mean that we are ahead and able to run the ball. The only way I see Tebow throwing the ball 20+ times is if we are down.

On a side note, Alfred Williams had a great question last night. Do you want the Broncos to go all in with this sort of offensive philosophy? If yes, then does that still hold true for other QBs? For example, would you want the Broncos to draft a guy like Robinson or Thomas to run the Zone Read... Both of which appear to be better in terms of speed and running ability. FTR I only want this offense b/c it suits Tebow and I am a big Tebow fan. But I wouldn't want the team to draft exclusively for this type of system. Kind of an eye opener for me when you look at it that way.

Good question from an often befuddled, yet friendly, Alfred Williams.

I've had this question for a while. If Tebow goes down, does Denver simply re-boot the pro-style offense that week and then revert back once Tebow is healthy again, because we don't have anyone else remotely capable of running this current option-style offense?

AlphaSeirra
11-16-2011, 11:22 AM
considering throwing the ball is tebows weakness,tebow may be the one getting burned with a pick 6.

Could you show us the stats that you're using to make that idiot claim? (NFL or College stats are okay with me)

Some claim that just 7 starts are not enough to make any judgments on,,,

while others think that 2 of 8 is a defining stat,

while they ignore 1 winning TD pass with ZERO interceptions.

PS

Feel free to use Tim's first 3 Rookie season starts for you QB comparisons.
Or you can use current Top QB's in the NFL's
first 7 starts for the comparisons. (crickets) :p

Jason in LA
11-16-2011, 11:23 AM
I think Revis is actually a very good tackling CB for his size. Every time I've watched him he's looked sound and willing.


Revis is really good in run support. I think people like to get carried away with quotes. I'm sure Revis would love to spend the bulk of his night in pass coverage, and actually have the quarterback throw the ball his way. Opposed to supporting the run all night. But that does not mean that he will not support on run plays.

AlphaSeirra
11-16-2011, 11:40 AM
So you're comparing a Hall of Fame QB, who is probably the second best guy at the position in the league right now, throwing to probably the best TE in the game right now to....Tebow to Fells?

Hey genius, whatever you do, don't actually compare ALL of the QB's stats.
Especially stats like TD/Int Ratio, or Total TD's to TO Ratio, or even the overall PER's.
If you do, we'll hear your bubble burst way down here in Florida.... Ha!
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Revis might be a Bevis? No, not really, he seems like an okay dude to me, and he's an excellent DB.
He also said that IF the Jets secondary didn't stay alert on every play, then they could get burned deep by Tebow.

So, what kind of players was Tebow used to playing against back in college?
Were any as good as a Revis?

Players that Tebow went against in practice while at UF.

1st round NFL draft early departure Gator Jr's:
DE Jarvis Moss - Raiders
DE Derrick Harvey - Broncos
DE Carlos Dunlap - Bengals
FS Reggie 'freakin' Nelson - Bengals
CB Joe Haden - Browns

Other NFL Gators include:
DL Ray McDonald - 49'ers
DE Jeremy Mincey - Jags
DE Justin Trattou - Giants
DT Marcus Thomas - Broncos
LB Brandon Spikes - Pats
LB Brandon Siler - Chiefs
LB Jermaine Cunningham - Pats
LB Andra Davis - Bills
FS Major Wright - Bears

UF currently has 32 former players on NFL rosters.

The SEC currently has 283 former players on NFL rosters, including guys like S Eric Berry (Tn).
The SEC has led the Nation in players drafted to the NFL for 5 consecutive years, covering Tebow's UF tenure.
* What's ole Lucky accustomed to going up against to get his LAC 10 lesser stats?

The thing holding Tebow back in the Bronco passing game is not so much Tim's own throwing ability, as the haters like to claim.
It is more the FO/HBC/McCoy, the underdeveloped OL, the weak/injured RB's, the young TE's, and especially the young WR's (without Gaffney & Lloyd).

Get all of the OTHER problems fixed, then I'll listen to and accept the QB criticisms. :welcome:

theAPAOps5
11-16-2011, 11:53 AM
Then why is he winning more than Orton? You really think the Broncos could run if defenses didn't have to account for his passing?

If that was the case teams would be putting runningbacks at QB.. Tebow isn't that unique of a runner.. just for a QB that CAN pass..

Projecting

crazyhorse
11-16-2011, 12:10 PM
Not saying he wont stop it but...1) i dont think the kind of option we run was around in 1999. Its just a zone play with a backside option.

2) Football, more than any sport, is muscle memory and instinct. I dont care if they have "a plan," executing said plan in the line of fire when youre not used to doing it is a different story.

The Jets are more talented than the cheifs, so i dont expect us to have the SAME success, but again, we've proven we can do more than simply run the option

Success isnt normally defined by 17 points from an offensive standpoint. Though in the case of the Chiefs (the worst team in the league) it was somewhat successful, 17 points probably wont be enough. If they (Jets) get a 10 point lead, your offense will look much different.

Tebow didn't win the game for you. Miller did. Tebow just handed the ball off all day. Miller could have done that too. Tebow could have stayed home.

Inkana7
11-16-2011, 12:26 PM
Hey genius, whatever you do, don't actually compare ALL of the QB's stats.
Especially stats like TD/Int Ratio, or Total TD's to TO Ratio, or even the overall PER's.
If you do, we'll hear your bubble burst way down here in Florida.... Ha!
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Revis might be a Bevis? No, not really, he seems like an okay dude to me, and he's an excellent DB.
He also said that IF the Jets secondary didn't stay alert on every play, then they could get burned deep by Tebow.

So, what kind of players was Tebow used to playing against back in college?
Were any as good as a Revis?

Players that Tebow went against in practice while at UF.

1st round NFL draft early departure Gator Jr's:
DE Jarvis Moss - Raiders
DE Derrick Harvey - Broncos
DE Carlos Dunlap - Bengals
FS Reggie 'freakin' Nelson - Bengals
CB Joe Haden - Browns

Other NFL Gators include:
DL Ray McDonald - 49'ers
DE Jeremy Mincey - Jags
DE Justin Trattou - Giants
DT Marcus Thomas - Broncos
LB Brandon Spikes - Pats
LB Brandon Siler - Chiefs
LB Jermaine Cunningham - Pats
LB Andra Davis - Bills
FS Major Wright - Bears

UF currently has 32 former players on NFL rosters.

The SEC currently has 283 former players on NFL rosters, including guys like S Eric Berry (Tn).
The SEC has led the Nation in players drafted to the NFL for 5 consecutive years, covering Tebow's UF tenure.
* What's ole Lucky accustomed to going up against to get his LAC 10 lesser stats?

The thing holding Tebow back in the Bronco passing game is not so much Tim's own throwing ability, as the haters like to claim.
It is more the FO/HBC/McCoy, the underdeveloped OL, the weak/injured RB's, the young TE's, and especially the young WR's (without Gaffney & Lloyd).

Get all of the OTHER problems fixed, then I'll listen to and accept the QB criticisms. :welcome:

You literally just praised Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson and Derrick Harvey, all NFL busts in one breath, and put the blame for Tebow not putting up Aaron Rodgers-like numbers on the ENTIRE offense except him in the next.

I have no words.

peacepipe
11-16-2011, 12:34 PM
I'm curious...
Are you a btonco fan, or do you have a team you root for?
What team do you root for?

I've been a fan of the broncos since the late 80s. Tebow isn't the answer & don't want see 2-3 yrs of crappy football waiting for everyone to figure out what I already know that tebow is a bust at QB.

HorseHead
11-16-2011, 12:42 PM
We're winning this game. Revis can talk all he wants, he has earned that right. He's the best cb going...that being said, he will be "involved" more than he realizes.
He's going to be doing a lot of tackling tomorrow night.

peacepipe
11-16-2011, 12:50 PM
Rex Ryan wrote a book in 1999 . Chapter 8 was a 20 page section on how to stop the option. I think he has the game plan already in mind. Will 4 days be enough time to implement it.

the gameplan was probably put in place last week. NFL teams will install 2 game plans in one week when they know they have thurs. game comming up.

Smiling Assassin27
11-16-2011, 12:51 PM
Seems to me that if we can put DT out there and have him run block on Revis 59 times, Revis won't be bored, he'll be steamrolled.

jhns
11-16-2011, 01:01 PM
I've been a fan of the broncos since the late 80s. Tebow isn't the answer & don't want see 2-3 yrs of crappy football waiting for everyone to figure out what I already know that tebow is a bust at QB.

Yeah! All real fans want 4-14 back!

teknic
11-16-2011, 01:20 PM
I've been a fan of the broncos since the late 80s. Tebow isn't the answer & don't want see 2-3 yrs of crappy football waiting for everyone to figure out what I already know that tebow is a bust at QB.

You also tried to argue with me that running doesn't win championships in the NFL. Sorry if I don't trust your judgment on Tebow, but I trust what I see on the field more.LOL

edog24
11-16-2011, 01:22 PM
Did anyone read the article? It sounds like he is saying it's easy to get lulled into thinking we are running on every play, so they have to be extra careful. I thought the article was giving us a compliment that our offense is dangerous and they can't get lazy in the secondary.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-16-2011, 01:24 PM
Success isnt normally defined by 17 points from an offensive standpoint. Though in the case of the Chiefs (the worst team in the league) it was somewhat successful, 17 points probably wont be enough. If they (Jets) get a 10 point lead, your offense will look much different.

Tebow didn't win the game for you. Miller did. Tebow just handed the ball off all day. Miller could have done that too. Tebow could have stayed home.

This is wrong on so many levels of being wrong.

Like our offense or not, everything runs through Tebow and the only reason our option works is because of the threat of Tebow and team's ability to read the defense. Not "any quarterback" can do that.

I'm not saying our offense is great, far from it, and i also dont think our offense will look like it did against the cheifs every week (as said, i think the raider game is a better blue print). But to say Tim did nothing? His mere presence is what makes that option work.

Bronco Yoda
11-16-2011, 01:45 PM
This. Its crazy how short people's memories are. Tim dropped back 21 times and threw the ball with success against oakland. He proved he could throw the ball with success against houston. In a 2 minute drill, he proved he could throw the ball with success against Miami.

We play one game where we run the ball almost exclusively and suddenly everyone forgets the past and assumes we'll just run the veer from here on in.

^

Shotgun Willie
11-16-2011, 01:59 PM
I haven't understood it from here to the media, he threw for over 300 yards in his first NFL start!

It may be nitpicking, but no, he didn't. It was his 2nd start. :)

bendog
11-16-2011, 02:21 PM
Not saying he wont stop it but...1) i dont think the kind of option we run was around in 1999. Its just a zone play with a backside option.

2) Football, more than any sport, is muscle memory and instinct. I dont care if they have "a plan," executing said plan in the line of fire when youre not used to doing it is a different story.

The Jets are more talented than the cheifs, so i dont expect us to have the SAME success, but again, we've proven we can do more than simply run the option

detroit and mia showed he can't read a blitz to save himself from eternal damnation, let alone a sack, he can't beat man coverage by throwing to the spot where the wr will be on a route, he can't feel pressure in the pocket, he can't read coverages ..... he sucks in a conventional NFL offense. You can keep saying otherwise, but it remains the truth.

peacepipe
11-16-2011, 02:22 PM
You also tried to argue with me that running doesn't win championships in the NFL. Sorry if I don't trust your judgment on Tebow, but I trust what I see on the field more.LOLI never argued that running doesn't win championships, I argued that a running QB won't win a championship,specificly tebow.

peacepipe
11-16-2011, 02:24 PM
Yeah! All real fans want 4-14 back!I want niether,you're obviously too stupid to realize that just because I don't support tebust doesn't mean I support orton. they both suck.

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 02:25 PM
detroit and mia showed he can't read a blitz to save himself from eternal damnation, let alone a sack, he can't beat man coverage by throwing to the spot where the wr will be on a route, he can't feel pressure in the pocket, he can't read coverages ..... he sucks in a conventional NFL offense. You can keep saying otherwise, but it remains the truth.

Most basically rookies do. He still is a rookie in any reasonable mind.

Rookies get better with live action. He will only get better.
Anyone who says he can't do it is wrong, he has.
Anyone saying he won't get better is guessing, they don't know but
most rooks do improve on everyhting you noted above.

Spider
11-16-2011, 02:25 PM
Did anyone read the article? It sounds like he is saying it's easy to get lulled into thinking we are running on every play, so they have to be extra careful. I thought the article was giving us a compliment that our offense is dangerous and they can't get lazy in the secondary.

agreed

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 02:26 PM
I want niether,you're obviously too stupid to realize that just because I don't support tebust doesn't mean I support orton. they both suck.

You are an ass period, plain and simple that can't see past his hetred to even give the guy a chance that all other new qbs get.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-16-2011, 02:28 PM
detroit and mia showed he can't read a blitz to save himself from eternal damnation, let alone a sack, he can't beat man coverage by throwing to the spot where the wr will be on a route, he can't feel pressure in the pocket, he can't read coverages ..... he sucks in a conventional NFL offense. You can keep saying otherwise, but it remains the truth.

Watch the raider game again.

bendog
11-16-2011, 02:31 PM
Sorry, you are wrong. McCoy broke out of the mold. Maybe this will work long term and/or maybe Tebow will learn to play qb. but go ahead and worship your tin god, but stop pretending you know **** about whats going on on the field.

peacepipe
11-16-2011, 02:32 PM
You are an ass period, plain and simple that can't see past his hetred to even give the guy a chance that all other new qbs get. all other new QBs will display an ability to throw the ball consistantly & show improvement game to game. tebow has shown no improvement throwing the ball. he has like one-two good throws a game. a dead clock will be right twice a day.the option is nothing more than a gimic & won't last in the NFL.

bendog
11-16-2011, 02:43 PM
all other new QBs will display an ability to throw the ball consistantly & show improvement game to game. tebow has shown no improvement throwing the ball. he has like one-two good throws a game. a dead clock will be right twice a day.the option is nothing more than a gimic & won't last in the NFL.

I don't think that's entirely fair either. It's the opposite of Le lo lang's refusal to even consider the comments by fox and others that McCoy switched the offense from a NFL pro concept after the detroit game, and put in options and dumbed down Tebow's reads. Let alone to competently view a game.

Tebow isn't very accurate from time to time. He shows zero ability to see a wr who apparantly is covered, but then anticipate the route and put the ball on a particular spot on time for the wr's route ... anticipating the wr's cut which will lead to seperation. That's the basis for EVERY NFL passing game. Will he ever get it? No one knows.

However, on simple go routes where a guy's just running down the field, he can put it on the money with regularity. And on routes similar to the wr screens, he's ok. He also threw 15 yard outs, and he can do that, but he can't get the timing down yet in making reads.

It's not passing per se, but more that he doesn't know how to play qb in the NFL. Can he learn enough for Den to win with him longterm? That's what Fox is deciding.

RunSilentRunDeep
11-16-2011, 05:21 PM
the gameplan was probably put in place last week. NFL teams will install 2 game plans in one week when they know they have thurs. game comming up.

Hmm yeah, Patriots coming to town and a must win for a shot at division title. They definitely were spending lots of time on the 3-5 Broncos.

Jetmeck
11-16-2011, 05:31 PM
all other new QBs will display an ability to throw the ball consistantly & show improvement game to game. tebow has shown no improvement throwing the ball. he has like one-two good throws a game. a dead clock will be right twice a day.the option is nothing more than a gimic & won't last in the NFL.

7 tds in 7 games through the air..............plus all the run game......just go away

epicSocialism4tw
11-16-2011, 05:40 PM
7 tds in 7 games through the air..............plus all the run game......just go away

No joke.

Broncos fans are getting excited about games for the first time in a couple of years.

The guys whose angst grows with every win should just go ahead and find another team.

This ain't going to stop anytime soon. The Broncos are committed to this offense and these players for the forseeable future.

Simple Jake
11-17-2011, 09:56 PM
Wonder how bored he was on that play where Tebow ran right through his tackle.. looked bored to me.. Go Broncos!!

barryr
11-17-2011, 09:57 PM
I wonder if punk Revis is bored at 5-5? LOL

Bronx33
11-17-2011, 10:01 PM
Tebow walked right through his noddle armed tackle which i thought was funny.

theAPAOps5
11-17-2011, 10:04 PM
That was one of the most limp wristed attempts at a tackle ever.