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Kaylore
11-14-2011, 10:02 PM
After 9 games, which I think we can agree is a fair sample size...

Denver currently is ranked second in yards per game at 158.2 behind only the Eagles, which makes Denver the best rushing offense in the AFC.

They are third behind the Texans and the Eagles in total yardage, at 1424. The Texans haven't had their bye yet and so are a game up on both the Eagles and us.

They are tied for third in runs over 20 yards with 11, and have had the 8th longest run from scrimmage so far this season.

What's more interesting is in the last four games, no team, not even the Texans, has rushed for more yards per game than the Broncos.

Crushaholic
11-14-2011, 10:03 PM
We have a QB who's not allowed to throw it on a consistent basis. I'm just glad SOMETHING'S working...:notworthy

Bronco Yoda
11-14-2011, 10:05 PM
Well I'd hope so since they're not throwing the ball. But I do have to give props to the O-line.

Popps
11-14-2011, 10:05 PM
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SoCalBronco
11-14-2011, 10:07 PM
Definitely good news, especially with the monster post-Tebow numbers in the offense we're using now.

Guile's theme is pleased.

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Play2win
11-14-2011, 10:10 PM
Sounds pretty sophisticated to me! :sunshine:

beardedwonder
11-14-2011, 10:18 PM
With out looking it up, were 32nd in passing the last 4 games..
Imagine if we can get that ranking up to the teens.

Kaylore
11-14-2011, 10:35 PM
With out looking it up, were 32nd in passing the last 4 games..
Imagine if we can get that ranking up to the teens.

FYI we're the 7th ranked passing offense in yardage and 15th in passing TD's.

Dagmar
11-14-2011, 10:45 PM
FYI we're the 7th ranked passing offense in yardage and 15th in passing TD's.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110611123545/icarly/images/d/da/Shocked.gif

How is that possible??

beardedwonder
11-14-2011, 10:50 PM
FYI we're the 7th ranked passing offense in yardage and 15th in passing TD's.

I'm not bashing tebow.

The passing O has 430 yards the last 4 games..
now give tebow 4 more weeks and I can see him hitting all the deep throws and getting an extra 80 yards a game

strafen
11-14-2011, 10:51 PM
FYI we're the 7th ranked passing offense in yardage and 15th in passing TD's.

Isn't Tebow about to tie an NFL record in TD's?
I've just caught the end of a comment on the radio about Tebow being close to tying a record held by either Unitas or Staubach...

cutthemdown
11-14-2011, 11:19 PM
They will let Tebow throw if we get down by more then 2 scores. They just don't want to unless they have to because they are keeping defense fresh, controlling the clock, not turning ball over, and scoring just enough to win 3 out of 4.

Archer81
11-14-2011, 11:38 PM
You win games by running the ball and playing solid defense...unless you work for ESPN and NFLN. If you do work for them, then you can ask daily "how long can Denver and Tebow keep this up"...

:Broncos:

ZONA
11-15-2011, 12:23 AM
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DBroncos4life
11-15-2011, 12:40 AM
Not trying to hate but the Texans have the best running game in the NFL. Two RBs in the top ten in Rushing is much more impressive then what Vick and Tebow bring to the table. QBs can scramble for yards on broken plays while RBs really don't get that. That said I like what we are doing on O and we should win games because of it.

beardedwonder
11-15-2011, 02:36 AM
Not trying to hate but the Texans have the best running game in the NFL. Two RBs in the top ten in Rushing is much more impressive then what Vick and Tebow bring to the table. QBs can scramble for yards on broken plays while RBs really don't get that. That said I like what we are doing on O and we should win games because of it.

Tebow's yardage hasnt really come on broken plays..if that's what ur saying

Zoobie
11-15-2011, 03:31 AM
FYI we're the 7th ranked passing offense in yardage and 15th in passing TD's.

31st in yardage, 9th in TDs.

Broncoman13
11-15-2011, 04:13 AM
If you can run for 200-250 yards in a football game and the opponent doesn't show the ability to stop you from running... WHY THE HELL PASS? Running the ball is a far more safe play. Nobody is going to sit here and say that we should throw for the sake of getting Tebow the looks. He isn't going to complain either. There are plenty of QBs that would complain as would the TE/WRs. Tebow is showing good leadership, not complaining and it looks like the team is doing the same thing.

I like what Champ Bailey said about running the ball 53 times. Basically, it worked we won. I've been on teams that have thrown 55 times and lost.

Broncoman13
11-15-2011, 04:18 AM
Interesting read here:

Tim Tebow was 2 of 8 passing for 69 yards on Sunday. He has completed less than 50 percent of his passes in each of his games this year. He’s averaging just 131.5 passing yards per game in his four starts, not counting an average of 24 yards lost because of sacks in each game.

No one would argue that Tebow wasn’t horrific against the Lions and just as ugly for the first 55 minutes against the Dolphins. But he’s actually been a much more effective quarterback the past two weeks. What do I mean by effective?

Let’s put Tebow’s performance in a different light. We can’t ignore Tebow’s running success any more than we can ignore most quarterbacks’ passing prowess. Every time Tebow runs, he is, in essence, completing a pass to himself. If we convert all of Tebow’s runs to completions, and tack on his rushing yards and touchdowns to his passing totals, how do things look?

Against Oakland, his numbers would translate to 23/34 for 242 yards, 2 touchdowns and no interceptions. Against Kansas City, he would have been 11/17 for 112 yards and 2 touchdowns. No, he’s not Drew Brees. But over the last two games — 34 completions and rushes on 51 total attempts, for 343 net yards, 4 touchdowns and zero interceptions — he has been very effective. In those two games, using such conversions, he’d have a 66.7 percent completion rate, a 6.7 yards-per-attempt average, and a 7.9 ANY/A average. That’s effective quarterbacking, without even considering the positive effect Tebow’s presence has on non-Tebow running plays.

Of course, such analysis is only backwards looking. An offense with a one-dimensional quarterback is bound to be shut down... http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/tebows-numbers-in-a-more-positive-light/

broncogary
11-15-2011, 05:47 AM
Interesting read here:

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Of course, such analysis is only backwards looking. An offense with a one-dimensional quarterback is bound to be shut down... http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/tebows-numbers-in-a-more-positive-light/

Here's the last paragraph of the above story. Should be interesting:

If all of this seems like a sideshow to the more traditional run-and-pass action in the NFL, it’s important to realize that coaches take this option stuff very seriously. On Thursday night, Tebow’s Broncos will host the New York Jets and Rex Ryan—a guy who devotes an entire chapter to defending the option in his treatise on how to coach defense. After the Jets’ painful 21-point loss to the Patriots on Sunday night, I’m guessing that Ryan’s defense will not be in a friendly mood against the Broncos. And Ryan will have no qualms about stacking the box and daring Tebow to throw it against Darrelle Revis.

fontaine
11-15-2011, 05:53 AM
Here's the last paragraph of the above story. Should be interesting:

If all of this seems like a sideshow to the more traditional run-and-pass action in the NFL, it’s important to realize that coaches take this option stuff very seriously. On Thursday night, Tebow’s Broncos will host the New York Jets and Rex Ryan—a guy who devotes an entire chapter to defending the option in his treatise on how to coach defense. After the Jets’ painful 21-point loss to the Patriots on Sunday night, I’m guessing that Ryan’s defense will not be in a friendly mood against the Broncos. And Ryan will have no qualms about stacking the box and daring Tebow to throw it against Darrelle Revis.

More than daring Tebow to throw it, I think it's more daring Royal/Thomas to actually get open and catch it.

jhns
11-15-2011, 06:09 AM
More than daring Tebow to throw it, I think it's more daring Royal/Thomas to actually get open and catch it.

Yeah, not sure why people expect Tebow to throw it a lot more. They gave away the top two reveivers for nothing. Who exactly is he supposed to throw to?

TheReverend
11-15-2011, 06:14 AM
Interesting read here:

Tim Tebow was 2 of 8 passing for 69 yards on Sunday. He has completed less than 50 percent of his passes in each of his games this year. He’s averaging just 131.5 passing yards per game in his four starts, not counting an average of 24 yards lost because of sacks in each game.

No one would argue that Tebow wasn’t horrific against the Lions and just as ugly for the first 55 minutes against the Dolphins. But he’s actually been a much more effective quarterback the past two weeks. What do I mean by effective?

Let’s put Tebow’s performance in a different light. We can’t ignore Tebow’s running success any more than we can ignore most quarterbacks’ passing prowess. Every time Tebow runs, he is, in essence, completing a pass to himself. If we convert all of Tebow’s runs to completions, and tack on his rushing yards and touchdowns to his passing totals, how do things look?

Against Oakland, his numbers would translate to 23/34 for 242 yards, 2 touchdowns and no interceptions. Against Kansas City, he would have been 11/17 for 112 yards and 2 touchdowns. No, he’s not Drew Brees. But over the last two games — 34 completions and rushes on 51 total attempts, for 343 net yards, 4 touchdowns and zero interceptions — he has been very effective. In those two games, using such conversions, he’d have a 66.7 percent completion rate, a 6.7 yards-per-attempt average, and a 7.9 ANY/A average. That’s effective quarterbacking, without even considering the positive effect Tebow’s presence has on non-Tebow running plays.

Of course, such analysis is only backwards looking. An offense with a one-dimensional quarterback is bound to be shut down... http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/tebows-numbers-in-a-more-positive-light/

Son of a bitch they stole my ****! Ha!

Play2win
11-15-2011, 06:31 AM
I keep thinking about that old b/w footage of the NFL before inovation of the forward pass.

I swear when I was watching the game last Sunday, at times, it was actually in B/W!!

TheChamp24
11-15-2011, 06:36 AM
Here's the last paragraph of the above story. Should be interesting:

If all of this seems like a sideshow to the more traditional run-and-pass action in the NFL, it’s important to realize that coaches take this option stuff very seriously. On Thursday night, Tebow’s Broncos will host the New York Jets and Rex Ryan—a guy who devotes an entire chapter to defending the option in his treatise on how to coach defense. After the Jets’ painful 21-point loss to the Patriots on Sunday night, I’m guessing that Ryan’s defense will not be in a friendly mood against the Broncos. And Ryan will have no qualms about stacking the box and daring Tebow to throw it against Darrelle Revis.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets line up in a base defense of 5 DL, 3 LB, 1 safety and 2 CB's.
Have a safety play back, 2 CB's play man and the DL/LB stack the box to play the run.
If I were a DC, I don't know why I wouldn't try that to start out to see what the Broncos do.

Kaylore
11-15-2011, 06:36 AM
31st in yardage, 9th in TDs.

You're right! I was looking at last year. Oh suck. Sorry guys. The rushing numbers are right though.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 06:51 AM
You win games by running the ball and playing solid defense...

The current best team in the NFL begs to differ.

jhns
11-15-2011, 06:57 AM
The current best team in the NFL begs to differ.

Yup. You win games by having an offense and defense. It doesn't really matter how you accomplish that. There have been run heavy offenses and pass heavy offenses that won it.

Running the ball does help later in the season though. Too bad the SB is never played in bad weather or it would help there as well.

CEH
11-15-2011, 06:58 AM
Interesting read here:

Tim Tebow was 2 of 8 passing for 69 yards on Sunday. He has completed less than 50 percent of his passes in each of his games this year. He’s averaging just 131.5 passing yards per game in his four starts, not counting an average of 24 yards lost because of sacks in each game.

No one would argue that Tebow wasn’t horrific against the Lions and just as ugly for the first 55 minutes against the Dolphins. But he’s actually been a much more effective quarterback the past two weeks. What do I mean by effective?

Let’s put Tebow’s performance in a different light. We can’t ignore Tebow’s running success any more than we can ignore most quarterbacks’ passing prowess. Every time Tebow runs, he is, in essence, completing a pass to himself. If we convert all of Tebow’s runs to completions, and tack on his rushing yards and touchdowns to his passing totals, how do things look?

Against Oakland, his numbers would translate to 23/34 for 242 yards, 2 touchdowns and no interceptions. Against Kansas City, he would have been 11/17 for 112 yards and 2 touchdowns. No, he’s not Drew Brees. But over the last two games — 34 completions and rushes on 51 total attempts, for 343 net yards, 4 touchdowns and zero interceptions — he has been very effective. In those two games, using such conversions, he’d have a 66.7 percent completion rate, a 6.7 yards-per-attempt average, and a 7.9 ANY/A average. That’s effective quarterbacking, without even considering the positive effect Tebow’s presence has on non-Tebow running plays.

Of course, such analysis is only backwards looking. An offense with a one-dimensional quarterback is bound to be shut down... http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/tebows-numbers-in-a-more-positive-light/


Problem is this is all well and good when we have the lead and can boatrace a bad team but what happens when we are down by 10 in the middle of the 2nd qtr. Still run the ball on 3rd and 7? Fake like we are going to run so Tebow can run around the end? At some point we will need to pass to win the game besides in the last 2 minutes. No way we beat the good offensive teams right now even by running for 200 yards.

TheReverend
11-15-2011, 07:01 AM
The current best team in the NFL begs to differ.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/tebowwhat.png

jhns
11-15-2011, 07:01 AM
Problem is this is all well and good when we have the lead and can boatrace a bad team but what happens when we are down by 10 in the middle of the 2nd qtr. Still run the ball on 3rd and 7? Fake like we are going to run so Tebow can run around the end? At some point we will need to pass to win the game besides in the last 2 minutes. No way we beat the good offensive teams right now even by running for 200 yards.

Three of his four wins are comebacks. We did pass to make those comebacks. The real problem is that we may not have been down so much if they started passing before we go down.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 07:02 AM
Yup. You win games by having an offense and defense. It doesn't really matter how you accomplish that.

Exactly. Four of the current top 5 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. Right now it's more of a "passing league", which doesn't mean that you can't win by running the ball. It just means that "running is more important than passing" is a myth that some people cling to for some reason.

CEH
11-15-2011, 07:08 AM
Three of his four wins are comebacks. We did pass to make those comebacks. The real problem is that we may not have been down so much if they started passing before we go down.

Let's revisit this by the end of the year and see how the offense performs against the quality offenses that can put points on the board. Can't boatrace those teams. This next game will be a good test for those that think this offense can win consistently. The ducks Tebow threw last weekend will be INTs vs the JETS.

Old Dude
11-15-2011, 07:08 AM
"Three things can happen when you throw the football, and two of them are bad."

- Woody Hayes (or Robert Neyland)

jhns
11-15-2011, 07:11 AM
Let's revisit this by the end of the year and see how the offense performs against the quality offenses that can put points on the board. Can't boatrace those teams. This next game will be a good test for those that think this offense can win consistently. The ducks Tebow threw last weekend will be INTs vs the JETS.

The ducks comment is retarded.

Why would anyone expect us to beat good teams? Tebow just took over a team that was 1-4 this season. It was 4-12 last season. We will need another good offseason or two before we have the talent to consider hanging with good teams.

Shananahan
11-15-2011, 07:11 AM
Every time Tebow runs, he is, in essence, completing a pass to himself. If we convert all of Tebow’s runs to completions, and tack on his rushing yards and touchdowns to his passing totals, how do things look?

Against Oakland, his numbers would translate to 23/34 for 242 yards, 2 touchdowns and no interceptions. Against Kansas City, he would have been 11/17 for 112 yards and 2 touchdowns. No, he’s not Drew Brees. But over the last two games — 34 completions and rushes on 51 total attempts, for 343 net yards, 4 touchdowns and zero interceptions — he has been very effective. In those two games, using such conversions, he’d have a 66.7 percent completion rate, a 6.7 yards-per-attempt average, and a 7.9 ANY/A average. That’s effective quarterbacking, without even considering the positive effect Tebow’s presence has on non-Tebow running plays.
This is hilarious.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 07:13 AM
Let's revisit this by the end of the year and see how the offense performs against the quality offenses that can put points on the board. Can't boatrace those teams. This next game will be a good test for those that think this offense can win consistently. The ducks Tebow threw last weekend will be INTs vs the JETS.

Yup, I fear you're correct. All of my non-Bronco fan friends are laughing about how Broncos fans are all excited about beating Miami, Oakland and KC while ignoring our destruction at the hands of Detroit. The Jets offense is nothing special but this game will be interesting to better gauge where we're really at.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 07:19 AM
"Three things can happen when you throw the football, and two of them are bad."


Tell that to Packers fans. Or Patriots fans. Or Saints fans.

Here are the top 10 passing teams currrently. With the exception of San Diego, Carolina, and Philadelphia (the top rushing team in the league), all pretty good teams, no?

1 New England
2 New Orleans
3 Green Bay
4 San Diego
5 NY Giants
6 Dallas
7 Pittsburgh
8 Carolina
9 Detroit
10 Philadelphia

footstepsfrom#27
11-15-2011, 07:24 AM
I'm sick of all the Tebow naysayers picking at this guy. Some context from any of these media clowns is more than we can expect but the fact is this is a guy who has never played under center till he got to the NFL and he was supposed to be riding the pine this year watching and learning anyway not starting. He's got a rookie tackle protecting his blind spot who has alot to learn as a pass blocker which might account for part of Fox's reluctance to let him pass lest we forget that fact, plus he's minus one of the best receivers in the league and has injured RB's behindhim and he's got a coach who simply doesn't like to pass no matter who is under center. Plenty of QB's have started a game 2-8 and would up with very respectable stats, but these numbskulls act like it's Tebow's fault that the coaches called only 8 passes in the game. Factor in the drops and nobody's even discussing the game like this. Tebow's doing what he does best, inspire those around him to play better and assuming leadership by doing what he's asked to do without b****ing and moaning about like most of these prima donnas would be doing. I wanted this guy before the draft and I still want him because once this kid learns the ropes in the NFL he's going to be unstoppable. Tebow's got that "it" factor and IMO 90% of the criticism he's gotten has much more to do with his personal life than it does what he's doing or not doing on the field. The guy's doing what he is having had almost no practice reps from either regime before he had to step in and no OTA's this summer or coaching that he could have benefittedf from. Imagine what kind of weapon he'll be in a year or two down the road when he's tightened up the rest of his game...lots of egg on lots of faces is my prediction.

CEH
11-15-2011, 07:24 AM
The ducks comment is retarded.

Why would anyone expect us to beat good teams? Tebow just took over a team that was 1-4 this season. It was 4-12 last season. We will need another good offseason or two before we have the talent to consider hanging with good teams.

Funny I just heard Eddie Mac make my exact point about those passes Tebow threw last week might be picked by Revis or Cromatie this week.

You're the one who is retarded

footstepsfrom#27
11-15-2011, 07:25 AM
This is hilarious.
I think it makes alot of sense, and that might be why we're 3-1 under this kid.

jhns
11-15-2011, 07:27 AM
Funny I just heard Eddie Mac make my exact point about those passes Tebow threw last week might be picked by Revis or Cromatie this week.

You're the one who is retarded

The only time a defender even touched the ball was the long Decker pass, that Decker had better position on. Tebow has hardly turned the ball over. You are an idiot.

footstepsfrom#27
11-15-2011, 07:31 AM
The only time a defender even touched the ball was the pong Decker pass, that Decker had better position on. Tebow has hardly turned the ball over. You are an idiot.
I'll take a 7-1 TD/INT ratio every day of the week, especially when the guy has proven to be clutch when it matters and he's a running threat that makes even scrub backs look good alongside him because he distracts defenses who have to account for him running.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 07:43 AM
...and IMO 90% of the criticism he's gotten has much more to do with his personal life than it does what he's doing or not doing on the field.

I don't disagree with much of of what you said but don't agree with this. The criticism is mostly about his inability to consistently make the throws that NFL QB's have to be able to make. To be fair, though, he hasn't been given enough of a chance to do it. 8 pass attempts in an entire game isn't providing a lot of learning opportunities in that regard.

Shotgun Willie
11-15-2011, 07:43 AM
Tell that to Packers fans. Or Patriots fans. Or Saints fans.

Here are the top 10 passing teams currrently. With the exception of San Diego, Carolina, and Philadelphia (the top rushing team in the league), all pretty good teams, no?

1 New England
2 New Orleans
3 Green Bay
4 San Diego
5 NY Giants
6 Dallas
7 Pittsburgh
8 Carolina
9 Detroit
10 Philadelphia

To be fair, this is always the case early in the year before the winter weather kicks in. Things will level off some in the coming weeks. They always do.

jhns
11-15-2011, 07:46 AM
I don't disagree with much of of what you said but don't agree with this. The criticism is mostly about his inability to consistently make the throws that NFL QB's have to be able to make. To be fair, though, he hasn't been given enough of a chance to do it. 8 pass attempts in an entire game isn't providing a lot of learning opportunities in that regard.

No, he is right. The extreme hate, and extreme love, started well before he was given a chance. It hasn't been this extreme for any other young player. He is a polarizing figure because of his personal life.

pricejj
11-15-2011, 07:52 AM
Exactly. Four of the current top 5 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. Right now it's more of a "passing league", which doesn't mean that you can't win by running the ball. It just means that "running is more important than passing" is a myth that some people cling to for some reason.

Running the ball at Mile High will wear down the opponent and intensify home field advantage.

Fast-break or run heavy offenses have always been a staple of successful Colorado teams (Broncos, Nuggets, Avalanche, Rapids).

footstepsfrom#27
11-15-2011, 07:53 AM
I don't disagree with much of of what you said but don't agree with this. The criticism is mostly about his inability to consistently make the throws that NFL QB's have to be able to make. To be fair, though, he hasn't been given enough of a chance to do it. 8 pass attempts in an entire game isn't providing a lot of learning opportunities in that regard.
Tebow is essentially a rookie, because when you consider that he had the added disadvantage of being asked to both convert his entire style to the NFL during which he got almost no practice reps and had no summer coaching/OTA to benefit from, why would anyone need to be critical of whether or not he's now at this early stage, ready to be consistent? He comes through in the clutch, and lest anyone forget, Elway didn't make those throws consistently either when he came into the league, and in fact his stats sucked. But he won, which is why he's revered now as a god around here...well Tebow is winning too, and under similar or even perhaps worse circumstances than Elway had to deal with. I hear the reasons given, but I'm not buying it...this guy engenders hatred, not mere commentary, and that's an issue with how people think about his religion and his public pronouncement of it. Why any 2nd year QB with almost no game experience should be expected to be consistent is beyond me...everyone knew he'd need time to develop, yet alot of people don't want him to get that time.

ScottXray
11-15-2011, 09:15 AM
Problem is this is all well and good when we have the lead and can boatrace a bad team but what happens when we are down by 10 in the middle of the 2nd qtr. Still run the ball on 3rd and 7? Fake like we are going to run so Tebow can run around the end? At some point we will need to pass to win the game besides in the last 2 minutes. No way we beat the good offensive teams right now even by running for 200 yards.

See Oakland game 2 weeks ago...down by 10. You pass yourself back into the game then run some more.

I'm not gona criticise what is working.

ScottXray
11-15-2011, 09:21 AM
Yup, I fear you're correct. All of my non-Bronco fan friends are laughing about how Broncos fans are all excited about beating Miami, Oakland and KC while ignoring our destruction at the hands of Detroit. The Jets offense is nothing special but this game will be interesting to better gauge where we're really at.

To be fair...we were NOT running the same offense in the Detroit game. We were mostly under center with straight dropbacks that the O line did not do a good job in pass protect, while the receivers were not getting open. We did not have willis for that game either and the rest of the RBs had Fail that day.

It was a TEAM loss, and wasn't just a bad Tebow day.

fdf
11-15-2011, 09:30 AM
Yup, I fear you're correct. All of my non-Bronco fan friends are laughing about how Broncos fans are all excited about beating Miami, Oakland and KC while ignoring our destruction at the hands of Detroit. The Jets offense is nothing special but this game will be interesting to better gauge where we're really at.

Rebuilding means we have to get to the point where we beat bad teams consistently. The last season and a half, we didn't do even that. So your friends may laugh. But looking up from the bottom, I regard it as progress.

Old Dude
11-15-2011, 09:46 AM
It's a work in progress. No one in their right mind expected Denver to challenge for a playoff spot this year - especially after the 1-4 start. Let's just sit back and see what happens.

jhns
11-15-2011, 09:48 AM
Rebuilding means we have to get to the point where we beat bad teams consistently. The last season and a half, we didn't do even that. So your friends may laugh. But looking up from the bottom, I regard it as progress.

This. Crying that we aren't SB champs yet is just dumb.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 09:54 AM
No, he is right. The extreme hate, and extreme love, started well before he was given a chance. It hasn't been this extreme for any other young player. He is a polarizing figure because of his personal life.

I agree his religion/personal life is a factor. I just don't think it's much of what's behind the current criticisms of Tebow (which have dropped considerably the last couple of weeks following wins you may have noticed). It's not like Tebow is the first Christian in the NFL. There are hundreds of them. Kurt Warner was a noted and devout Christian and I don't recall him getting a lot of hate for it. The current criticism is more tied to his unconventional style and a belief that it won't work in the NFL. I agree that much of the grief he receives isn't "fair" but the only way he's going to beat it is to succeed and win. Hopefully that happens.

TonyR
11-15-2011, 09:56 AM
It was a TEAM loss, and wasn't just a bad Tebow day.

Oh I agree completely. Not Tebow's fault alone by any stretch. But he was awful, you have to admit.