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enjolras
11-13-2011, 09:01 PM
Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35404/eight-is-enough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

OrangeSe7en
11-13-2011, 09:06 PM
When you go from one of a bottom of the pack in rushing team under Orton, to second in the NFL in rushing in only 4 weeks, it should be obvious why it works.

Tombstone RJ
11-13-2011, 09:10 PM
just tell Bill it's fairy dust and magic. He'll understand.

Simple Jake
11-13-2011, 09:10 PM
Colquitt also is a HUGE part of this.. Constantly pinning teams inside their own 20

vonqkilla
11-13-2011, 09:28 PM
Good point in colquitt.

Kaylore
11-13-2011, 09:31 PM
Good coaching and good game management by Tebow.

The offensive line has played better. The defense has played better. The special teams have played better. Tebow is better than Orton as a QB and game manager.

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 09:32 PM
Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35404/eight-is-enough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

The Chefs had what...3 posessions in the first half? That's outstanding ball control.

DarkHorse
11-13-2011, 09:35 PM
Hats off to Colquitt this year, the dude is playing phenomenal football right now. Hasn't gotten much credit but his play certainly isn't going unnoticed by fans at least.

schaaf
11-13-2011, 09:38 PM
Hats off to Colquitt this year, the dude is playing phenomenal football right now. Hasn't gotten much credit but his play certainly isn't going unnoticed by fans at least.

Colquitt should be in the pro bowl he's been outstanding all year.... Besides that one ****show where he dropped and then threw it... **** you britton

spdirty
11-13-2011, 09:40 PM
Yeah, we're 3-1 with Tebow and might be 4-1 had he started the Charger game, but what is this teams ceiling with Tebow as our starting QB?

My only point is that true hope to have a team that in the future can consistently compete for a Super Bowl won't be there until we have a QB who can consistently throw with accuracy.

And then there is the injury concern. Hold the ball too long in the pocket, become an option qb, the shelf life won't be long in this league.

Play2win
11-13-2011, 09:45 PM
Bodies in motion, stay in motion. Bodies at rest, stay at rest. This how I would best describe the story of these two Broncos teams. One with Orton, one with Tebow.

errand
11-13-2011, 09:52 PM
Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35404/eight-is-enough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

I agree...Tebow has done an amazingly good job of not turning the ball over...he's had a few close calls, but for the most part he's done his part in reducing our turnover ratio...

"football is a game of error...whoever makes the fewest errors wins" - Paul Brown

Sassy
11-13-2011, 10:04 PM
Yeah, we're 3-1 with Tebow and might be 4-1 had he started the Charger game, but what is this teams ceiling with Tebow as our starting QB?

My only point is that true hope to have a team that in the future can consistently compete for a Super Bowl won't be there until we have a QB who can consistently throw with accuracy.

And then there is the injury concern. Hold the ball too long in the pocket, become an option qb, the shelf life won't be long in this league.

^5

ColoradoDarin
11-14-2011, 05:09 AM
Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35404/eight-is-enough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

We are playing what Josh McDaniels talked about but was never able to implement - complementary football. Fox and the rest of the staff are doing a fantastic job.

HorseHead
11-14-2011, 05:30 AM
again, he's started 7 games..."I need more accuracy"...wahhhhh...screw that, I need wins...

fontaine
11-14-2011, 05:44 AM
Turnovers.

Orton threw 7 ints and had 2 fumbles in just 4 1/2 games.

Tebow has just thrown one int and fumbled twice in the same amount of games.

Gort
11-14-2011, 05:51 AM
Tebowphobia.

they are afraid to admit that Tebow is a winner and that all that really matters in the NFL is wins and losses. they are afraid their colleagues will make fun of them. they are afraid they will lose credibility if they admit they enjoy seeing Tebow play, even if sometimes he makes the wrong decision or throws a wobbly pass. they are simply afraid to be the nail that sticks out because they know if they do, they'll get hammered down. so they mock and discredit him. but secretly, they wish they were him.

Tebowphobia.

;)

Jay3
11-14-2011, 05:55 AM
Turnovers.

Orton threw 7 ints and had 2 fumbles in just 4 1/2 games.

Tebow has just thrown one int and fumbled twice in the same amount of games.

And two out of those three were in the loss to Detroit, further reinforcing that that has to do with wins.

Jay3
11-14-2011, 05:58 AM
It's Moneyball all over again -- there's been a bit of drift away towards actually paying attention to what wins games consistently, predictably, reliably.

Doesn't mean the current recipe is the only way or even the best way to win. It just puts to bed the notion that there's only one way to win.

Doesn't mean that Tebow is a great quarterback. But it does mean that maybe, just maybe, the reason he was able to win so consistently over a LONG college career was not great talent around him, but the tenacity to execute a game plan that stays on schedule and protects the ball.

baja
11-14-2011, 05:59 AM
Colquitt should be in the pro bowl he's been outstanding all year.... Besides that one ****show where he dropped and then threw it... **** you britton

I've heard he may even have the job locked up...

Play2win
11-14-2011, 06:00 AM
"move the pile forward" mentality.

jhns
11-14-2011, 06:01 AM
Tebow can run. Tebow opens up the run for others. Tebow has completed some huge passes at key moments. Tebow doesn't turn the ball over. It is pretty easy to see why he is winning so much more than Orton was. Then, you would probably have to watch the games to know this.

55CrushEm
11-14-2011, 06:10 AM
We have rushed for almost 550 yards in the last 2 weeks. That's almost a 275yd/game average!!!

CRAZY.

barryr
11-14-2011, 06:14 AM
I doubt we would be seeing many happy if the Broncos decided to air it out more and more turnovers were the result. The coaching staff is worrying more about winning games than satisfying those that would like to see Tebow fail so they can prove some idiotic point. Obviously Tebow will need to improve and get better, but for the coaching staff, if they have a shot at a win, they will take it and worry about developing passing in another game.

DrFate
11-14-2011, 06:28 AM
People often have trouble understanding what they see if they aren't used to it. I've seen basketball referees blow a whistle because 'it looked like a travel'. Doesn't mean the guy actually took too many steps - but if the moved farther than the ref is used to or in a different direction - his natural inclination is to blow the whistle.

NFL talking heads can process Rodgers or Romo slinging the ball around like a good Madden game where both teams score in the 40's. But the Broncos recent play (run the ball, don't turn it over, play defense) is so out of the ordinary the talking heads simply can't evaluate it. We hear the cliches often - run the ball, stop the run, don't turn it over. This team is doing just that right now. If they continue to win games, other teams will try to copy it. I'm sure if you brought Vince Lombardi out of cryo-freeze he wouldn't understand the NFL game today where each QB throws the ball 50 times a game.

Broncos 2011 is simply playing a very old school style of football.

jhns
11-14-2011, 06:29 AM
We have rushed for almost 550 yards in the last 2 weeks. That's almost a 275yd/game average!!!

CRAZY.

Just imagine what this total would have been if the two top RBs didn't go down. Ball was good but wasn't running as well as the other two.

Shotgun Willie
11-14-2011, 06:36 AM
People often have trouble understanding what they see if they aren't used to it. I've seen basketball referees blow a whistle because 'it looked like a travel'. Doesn't mean the guy actually took too many steps - but if the moved farther than the ref is used to or in a different direction - his natural inclination is to blow the whistle.

You must be talking about high school or college ball. I haven't seen a travel called in the NBA in like 10 years.

Momentum
11-14-2011, 06:38 AM
The only reason we are winning is because we are playing teams slightly worse than us. Dont get it twisted, Denver is still in the toilet bowl, but not the biggest piece of crap in it.

gyldenlove
11-14-2011, 06:50 AM
It can be boiled down to a few important factors:

1. Field position, opponents are consistently starting drives inside their own 20, that means there is a low probability of scoring and lots of opportunities to force a 4th down and that any 4th down you do force will end in a punt, not a FG.

2. Time of possession, we have the ball longer on offense which means our defense isn't on the field as much.

3. Turnovers, we are winning the turnover battle now because we have fewer give aways.

4. Probably most importantly, we have run into 3 teams playing pretty poorly, there is not too much magic too it, we beat the Dolphins who were crap, we beat the Chiefs who were crap, we beat the Raiders who couldn't defend the run game at all and kept pulling stupid penalties.

TonyR
11-14-2011, 07:03 AM
It can be boiled down to a few important factors:
Time of possession, we have the ball longer on offense which means our defense isn't on the field as much.

Good post, I mostly agree. But I took a look and our TOP isn't what I expected (other than maybe against KC). We only had the ball about a minute more than Miami and Detroit, about 3 minutes more than Oakland, and about 7 minutes more than KC.

Shotgun Willie
11-14-2011, 07:09 AM
Good post, I mostly agree. But I took a look and our TOP isn't what I expected (other than maybe against KC). We only had the ball about a minute more than Miami and Detroit, about 3 minutes more than Oakland, and about 7 minutes more than KC.

For me, time of possession is an overrated stat. Clock stoppages due to plays out of bounds, incomplete passes, penalties, etc. can easily cause big swings in time of possession. I prefer to look at total offensive plays run. That is a far more accurate indicator of what's actually going on out there IMO.

ColoradoDarin
11-14-2011, 07:32 AM
It can be boiled down to a few important factors:

1. Field position, opponents are consistently starting drives inside their own 20, that means there is a low probability of scoring and lots of opportunities to force a 4th down and that any 4th down you do force will end in a punt, not a FG.

2. Time of possession, we have the ball longer on offense which means our defense isn't on the field as much.

3. Turnovers, we are winning the turnover battle now because we have fewer give aways.

4. Probably most importantly, we have run into 3 teams playing pretty poorly, there is not too much magic too it, we beat the Dolphins who were crap, we beat the Chiefs who were crap, we beat the Raiders who couldn't defend the run game at all and kept pulling stupid penalties.

My only disagreement is on #4 with Miami, they could be on a 4-5 game win streak right now. They had good opportunities to beat the Jets, us, and the Giants and then they beat KC and DC. I don't think they are nearly as bad as their record indicates even if they have made mistakes that cost them 3 games in that stretch.

We did catch the raiders perfectly with Palmer's rust and yes, KC sucks.

gyldenlove
11-14-2011, 07:40 AM
Good post, I mostly agree. But I took a look and our TOP isn't what I expected (other than maybe against KC). We only had the ball about a minute more than Miami and Detroit, about 3 minutes more than Oakland, and about 7 minutes more than KC.

It is true we at not dominating time of possession, but consider this:

Week 1: Oakland had 5 minutes more TOP than us.
Week 2: We had 30 seconds more TOP than Cincinati.
Week 3: Tennessee had 1 minute more TOP than us.
Week 4: Greey Bay had 6 minutes more TOP than us.
week 5: San Diego had 20 more minutes of TOP than us.

In fact this season, we have won every game except 1 when we lead TOP and we have lost every game when the other team leads TOP. That is a remarkable correlation.

I know TOP does not mean actual time on field, however teams with higher TOP does tend to have more offensive plays which means fewer defensive plays.

gyldenlove
11-14-2011, 07:42 AM
My only disagreement is on #4 with Miami, they could be on a 4-5 game win streak right now. They had good opportunities to beat the Jets, us, and the Giants and then they beat KC and DC. I don't think they are nearly as bad as their record indicates even if they have made mistakes that cost them 3 games in that stretch.

We did catch the raiders perfectly with Palmer's rust and yes, KC sucks.

The Dolphins may not be as bad as there record would suggest, but they didn't really play well when we played them.

edog24
11-14-2011, 07:44 AM
The only reason we are winning is because we are playing teams slightly worse than us. Dont get it twisted, Denver is still in the toilet bowl, but not the biggest piece of crap in it.

There is a ton of parity in the league. You have 3-4 elite teams, a ton of middle teams that don't perform well consistently (which I think we are part of), and 3-4 bottom feeders that will stay there the whole season.

ColoradoDarin
11-14-2011, 08:00 AM
The Dolphins may not be as bad as there record would suggest, but they didn't really play well when we played them.

I would agree with that

AlphaSeirra
11-14-2011, 08:52 AM
Yeah, we're 3-1 with Tebow and might be 4-1 had he started the Charger game, but what is this teams ceiling
with Tebow as our starting QB?

My only point is that true hope to have a team that in the future can consistently compete for a Super Bowl
won't be there until we have a QB who can consistently throw with accuracy.

And then there is the injury concern. Hold the ball too long in the pocket, become an option qb, the shelf life
won't be long in this league.

Wait, I seem to remember some claiming that Tebow couldn't win in the NFL because there were NO Patsy Teams in the NFL?
Parity and all of that other mostly NFL BS.

The nearly constant drivel:

Tim can't pass.
Weak arm.
Inaccurate passer.
Can't make all of the throws.
Certainly can't throw deep.
Heck, he can''t even do a simple hand-off or take a snap from under center.

And he certainly won't be able to run like he did at EVERY other level of play, and he'll get KILLED if he tries.
Those idiot MEDIA MORONS at their very parrot/bandwagon best..... :bandwagon

Plus the really STU-PID who don't know better than to actually listen to and believe the media morons.
Just ask yourselves this question, which Broncos are constantly injured out while running the ball?)
Right now Tebow is #3 in number of carries, #2 in total rushing yds, and still #1 in yds per carry.

The actual-factual on the field PROVEN reality: (which many, including ALL Haters choose to ignore)

Tim only got 12 plays in the first 13 games of 2010.
Then he got 3 cold starts to end the season with a 3-10 team.
Passing - 41 of 82, 50% for 654 yds, 15.95 yds/comp, 5 TD's, 3 Ints, 82.1 PER
Rushing - 43 for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc, 6 TD's, ZERO lost poss fumbles.
Tebow's Winning % = .333
Orton's Winning % = .231 (best chance to win ??? )

Lockout Off-season, no Bronco coaching, new HBC/Staff with a new offensive system.
New HBC/Staff trades away the 2010 #2 WR J.Gaffney.
Were they trying to make it even more difficult for Tebow to win the preseason 'supposedly fair' competion ???

Tebow wins both the PER and the Rushing stats race in the Preseason games anyway, but he
still gets chitted by FO/HBC for the QB with the 2010 .231% win record.
Why, because apparently .231 is better than .333 in their book? WTF ???

Tim sits cold with no 1st team practice for the first 5 2011 games while the 'Best Chance to Win' QB goes 1-4, (.200)
Then the genius FO/HBC trades away the Bronco's ONLY 2010 Pro Bowler, WR B.Lloyd.

Now we can start no arm, inaccurate passer, Tebow (cause the fans will likely riot otherwise).
When he fails (because we've set him up to fail) then we can do whatever we want to do and the fans will all sit down and STFU.

SURRRRR-PRISEEEE!!! Tebow bent them over the table going 3-1 (.750) in his 1st four starts of 2011.
The Broncos got back-2-back wins for the 1st time since Tebow was still in college (2009).
Passing - 47 of 105, 44.8% for 605 yds, 12.9 yds/comp, 7 TD's to just ONE Int, PER 81.6
Rushing - 48 for 320 yds, 6.7 ypc, Long 32 yds, 2 TD's.
Tot Off - 153 plays for 925 yds, 6 yds/play, 9 TD's to just ONE FREAKIN' T-O.
But hey, the Comp% is the All Important QB stat, not the W/L Record, Yds/Play, TD/Int Ratio, or the TD's to TO's. (morons)

And Tebow did that, while being nearly TOTALLY UN-PREPARED and mostly UNSUPPORTED by the Bronco FO/HBC.
==============

Tebow's Career Stats to Date: 11-14-11 -- (16 gms, with only 7 starts)

Passing - 88 of 187, 47.1% for 1,259 yds, 14.3 yds/comp, 12 TD's to just 4 Ints, PER 81.8
Rushing - 91 for 547 yds, 6.0 ypc, 8 TD's, with only ONE lost poss fumble.

On 278 plays, Tebow has turned the ball over a TOTAL of just 5 times while scoring 20 TD's.
(IF you really think that sucks, then just compare it to Saint John's first 7 starts (or any other QB's) and you might WTFU) :gus:
===================

WoW! What a quandary this has set up for those in charge and making the Bronco team decisions.
But many of those Media Morons have still yet to give it up to Tebow. (liars and/or idiots to the end) :nutkick

In 2010/11 without Tebow as the Broncos starter, they went 4 - 14. (.222)
In 2010/11 WITH Tebow as the Broncos starter, they have gone 4 - 3. (.571)

Anyone notice that the current HBC/FO aren't even bright enough to realize which QB gave them the 'Best Chance to Win' games? :stirstir:

Just makes me wonder how Tim would do IF:
He had the full support of an Owner & FO that had at least decent management brains?
He had the full support of a competent HBC/OC who could actually design and game day play call an offense?
He had at least a pretty good OL to work behind?
He had a group of top quality WR's to throw to?
He had at least one quality TE to throw to?
He had a group of quality RB's who could run/block/catch and stay healthy while doing so?

Kinda puts that QB completion percentage thingy into a little better perspective doesn't it ???
With the above things in Tim's favor while at UF:
Tebow threw for 67%, 88 TD's to 16 Ints, and set the SEC Record for QB Pass Efficiency Rating at 170.79.

The true/real difference between Tim in College and Tim in the Pros is the overall 'Quality' of his surrounding team/coaches/Admin.
With a good UF team, Tim only averaged 12 runs per game which included his pass play scrambles.
You don't pass for over 9,000 yards and 88 TD's if you're ONLY running the ball. ;)

PS

2 of 8 passing with 4 receiver drops actually = 75% for the QB's accuracy with receivers that are at best 50/50.

And if you'll remember, Von Miller said that he couldn't wait to get to Denver to play with a guy that worked and played like Tebow.
With his effort and play, Tim has won the respect of the Denver defense, Orton never did that imoho. :welcome:

Bronco Rob
11-14-2011, 09:01 AM
[QUOTE=WhoIsJohnGalt;3371714]Tebowphobia.

they are afraid to admit that Tebow is a winner and that all that really matters in the NFL is wins and losses. they are afraid their colleagues will make fun of them. they are afraid they will lose credibility if they admit they enjoy seeing Tebow play, even if sometimes he makes the wrong decision or throws a wobbly pass. they are simply afraid to be the nail that sticks out because they know if they do, they'll get hammered down. so they mock and discredit him. but secretly, they wish they were him.

Tebowphobia.

;)[/QUOT.

ColoradoDarin
11-14-2011, 09:30 AM
Dear Alpha Sierra, I like Tebow and want him to succeed. I skip your posts (tl;dr) and probably will send you to iggy soon. Learn and grow from this to become a better poster.

cutthemdown
11-14-2011, 09:35 AM
When you give Defense a long field to defend they get almost 50% more chances at sacks and other drive ending feats of brilliance. When you give them a short field they have to make a play within the first couple first down attempts or the offense gets in scoring range.

It's all about Tebow using more clock, defense being more rested. Tebow not turning ball over allowing defense to play less plays and be more rested. Then it's about Tebow and the offense pinning teams 80 yrds away or more giving them even more chances to make plays.

Really that is why we are winning. In the NFL that is all you have to do to beat the crappy to average NFL teams. Not going to work vs the Packers but we will cross that bridge in next yrs draft. For the Broncos to pull this off they need a really good defense and more rbs.

bendog
11-14-2011, 09:40 AM
When you give Defense a long field to defend they get almost 50% more chances at sacks and other drive ending feats of brilliance. When you give them a short field they have to make a play within the first couple first down attempts or the offense gets in scoring range.

It's all about Tebow using more clock, defense being more rested. Tebow not turning ball over allowing defense to play less plays and be more rested. Then it's about Tebow and the offense pinning teams 80 yrds away or more giving them even more chances to make plays.

Really that is why we are winning. In the NFL that is all you have to do to beat the crappy to average NFL teams. Not going to work vs the Packers but we will cross that bridge in next yrs draft. For the Broncos to pull this off they need a really good defense and more rbs.

There's an irony here that the tebowites and former jo****es were quick to criticize Fox for a conservative offense that took much of the pressure off of Delhomme, but in a way that's what's happening. The positive is that you bang on a defense, but the negative is that until/unless Tebow shows he can win games throwing the rock, you can't get more than two scores down.

Chris
11-14-2011, 09:43 AM
Colquitt should be in the pro bowl he's been outstanding all year.... Besides that one ****show where he dropped and then threw it... **** you britton

This is the most manic depressive post I've read in a while.

enjolras
11-14-2011, 09:49 AM
You must be talking about high school or college ball. I haven't seen a travel called in the NBA in like 10 years.

Definitely not this year:)

Drunk Monkey
11-14-2011, 10:24 AM
Dear Alpha,

Not sure if you realize this or not but no one reads all of your post's. To long and basically the same crap you always post. Just an FYI, I feel like you waste a lot of your time for nothing.

jhns
11-14-2011, 10:29 AM
There's an irony here that the tebowites and former jo****es were quick to criticize Fox for a conservative offense that took much of the pressure off of Delhomme, but in a way that's what's happening. The positive is that you bang on a defense, but the negative is that until/unless Tebow shows he can win games throwing the rock, you can't get more than two scores down.

Tebow already has a three score comeback win. You are a dumbass.

bendog
11-14-2011, 10:37 AM
yeah, jizz

jhns
11-14-2011, 10:40 AM
yeah, jizz

You know that guy who has the 17 point comeback? You can't let him get down by more than two scores or you will have no chance!

It amazes me that you are able to turn on the computer.

AlphaSeirra
11-14-2011, 11:24 AM
Dear Alpha Sierra, I like Tebow and want him to succeed. I skip your posts (tl;dr) and probably will send you to iggy soon. Learn and grow from this to become a better poster.

Dear Darlin, do whatever you want to, I really G-a-S about what you choose to do, so iggy away bubba.

I'm just fine with you or anyone else here remaining ignorant and/or depending on the media morons to develope your opinions for yor.

I like the Broncos and want to see them learn how to be a better organization.

If not, then I'm just fine with them doing to Tim what they did to that old incompetent WR that they dumped before the season, (J.Gaffney). :welcome:

But for right now, I'm not sure that the Bowlen/Elway/Fox/McCoy combo will ever be a top NFL organization.
I sure do hope that they can improve greatly and prove me wrong though... :wiggle:

AlphaSeirra
11-14-2011, 11:32 AM
Dear Alpha,

Not sure if you realize this or not but no one reads all of your post's. To long and basically the same crap you always post. Just an FYI, I feel like you waste a lot of your time for nothing.

Quality advice from a DRUNK ???

LOL

Evelyn Woods might be able to help you with your major short bus problem, (google it).

When did EVERYONE elect you to speak for them, or did you just take that on yourself without getting permission? Ha!

And lastly, you're allowed to 'FEEL' anyway that makes you happy,
while I'm allowed to G-a-S about what you feel or think about what I do. ;)

Now you have yourself a real nice day, ya hear? ;D

TheChamp24
11-14-2011, 11:33 AM
I see it all over other sites, etc.
People bash Tebow because what we are doing/he is doing is so completely unorthodox today, that they don't know how to react.
8 pass attempts in a game and 50+ runs is completely absurd in today's game and when it produces a victory, people are just left dumbfounded.
Will this success continue? Who knows. I will say we will need to complete more than 25% of our passes in the future, and I'm scared about the Jets defense.
But if we continue to have success against the Jets, will that change anything? Nope, people will continue to wonder how the heck Tebow is leading this team to wins.

It is super nice to have an offense who limits the turnovers though. That is the big thing for us.

broncobum6162
11-14-2011, 11:37 AM
I've google Merril Hoge and find he has been strangly silent the last week or so.....He, He

AlphaSeirra
11-14-2011, 11:38 AM
I see it all over other sites, etc.
People bash Tebow because what we are doing/he is doing is so completely unorthodox today, that they don't know how to react.
8 pass attempts in a game and 50+ runs is completely absurd in today's game and when it produces a victory, people are just left dumbfounded.
Will this success continue? Who knows. I will say we will need to complete more than 25% of our passes in the future, and I'm scared about the Jets defense.
But if we continue to have success against the Jets, will that change anything? Nope, people will continue to wonder how the heck Tebow is leading this team to wins.

It is super nice to have an offense who limits the turnovers though. That is the big thing for us.

As usual, winning will PROVE NOTHING!

However, if the Broncos should lose, or lose badly,,,,,
then that will prove beyond ALL DOUBT that Tebow will never even get drafted into the NFL as a QB..... Ha!

AlphaSeirra
11-14-2011, 11:45 AM
I've googled Merril Hoge and find he has been strangly silent the last week or so.....He, He

Squirrel Hoge is one of the very best examples of what I call,,,,

the MEDIA MORONS of the world. :thumbs:

(he's one those famous blind squirrels that almost NEVER finds an acorn) Ha!

Rolandftw
11-14-2011, 12:12 PM
The only reason we are winning is because we are playing teams slightly worse than us. Dont get it twisted, Denver is still in the toilet bowl, but not the biggest piece of crap in it.

If they are worse then Denver, then Denver has a great chance to win the division...

mkporter
11-14-2011, 01:02 PM
29516

Archer81
11-14-2011, 01:31 PM
Men's butts?


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
11-14-2011, 01:32 PM
I see it all over other sites, etc.
People bash Tebow because what we are doing/he is doing is so completely unorthodox today, that they don't know how to react.
8 pass attempts in a game and 50+ runs is completely absurd in today's game and when it produces a victory, people are just left dumbfounded.
Will this success continue? Who knows. I will say we will need to complete more than 25% of our passes in the future, and I'm scared about the Jets defense.
But if we continue to have success against the Jets, will that change anything? Nope, people will continue to wonder how the heck Tebow is leading this team to wins.

It is super nice to have an offense who limits the turnovers though. That is the big thing for us.

I noticed this after watching Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavs slaughter the rest of the NBA in crunch time over and over again to win an NBA title with unconventional play...those of rigid mind still won't accept what theye see even if this Tebow-led offense blazed through the NFL and the heavy favorites to win a super bowl.

They'll still doubt, they'll still hate. Their goalposts will just move a little. People are more concerned about being stubborn than watching things play out before them and accepting the changing reality.

broncobum6162
11-16-2011, 06:26 AM
Squirrel Hoge is one of the very best examples of what I call,,,,

the MEDIA MORONS of the world. :thumbs:

(he's one those famous blind squirrels that almost NEVER finds an acorn) Ha!

Yes..........on top of that he's NUTS!:spit:

TotallyScrewed
11-16-2011, 11:11 AM
I've heard he may even have the job locked up...

I'm pretty sure he's week to week.

TotallyScrewed
11-16-2011, 11:12 AM
We have rushed for almost 550 yards in the last 2 weeks. That's almost a 275yd/game average!!!

CRAZY.

It's like they flipped the passing and rushing numbers. What?

Jay3
11-16-2011, 11:14 AM
I've google Merril Hoge and find he has been strangly silent the last week or so.....He, He

Last I heard from him he said we'll know how good the team is after the Jets game. He's laying low, ready to pounce if the Broncos lose.

barryr
11-16-2011, 04:33 PM
I've google Merril Hoge and find he has been strangly silent the last week or so.....He, He

He's waiting until the Broncos lose a game and then go back to bashing Tebow since even he knows it is stupid to do it after wins, unlike some Tebow haters around here.