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epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 02:35 PM
In the modern prissy passing NFL where the league tilts the field to favor the QB's, your Denver Broncos have chosen to buck convention and go for the throat with an old-school punch-you-in-the-mouth-over-and-over-again offense. Its tiring and demoralizing for the other team and wears them down by the fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is Tebow time. This is a good recipe.

That makes us the most unique team in the league...the team that chose strength and toughness over finesse.

The rest of this season should be fantastic viewing.

Jetmeck
11-13-2011, 02:37 PM
WITHOUT OUR TWO STARTING BACKS.............PHENOMENAL.

KC should be embarassed.

Jetmeck
11-13-2011, 02:38 PM
O-LINE was great today. Hali who ? Even with Clady out..............

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 02:41 PM
O-LINE was great today. Hali who ? Even with Clady out..............

Not a single sack given.

No turnovers.

5 yards a carry.

That will win you just about every game you play in the NFL.

crush17
11-13-2011, 02:44 PM
:notworthyNot a single sack given.

No turnovers.

5 yards a carry.

That will win you just about every game you play in the NFL.

:notworthy

Shoemaker
11-13-2011, 02:47 PM
I really liked what I saw today against the Chiefs, but I hope McCoy is already adjusting the gameplan for Thursday. I'd rather not see us try to go this run-heavy against the Jets with Lance Ball and Jeremiah Johnson in the backfield. I really hope McGahee gets healthy quickly; I have a feeling that he would have demolished the Chiefs today, and we'll need him on the field against better teams.

Still, pounding the ball on the ground in back-to-back road games against division rivals is an immensely satisfying feeling. Mix in a bit more play-action and let Tebow develop his footwork so that his throws are more consistent, and we could have a pretty dangerous attack on our hands.

Popps
11-13-2011, 02:51 PM
I really liked what I saw today against the Chiefs, but I hope McCoy is already adjusting the gameplan for Thursday. I'd rather not see us try to go this run-heavy against the Jets with Lance Ball and Jeremiah Johnson in the backfield. I really hope McGahee gets healthy quickly; I have a feeling that he would have demolished the Chiefs today, and we'll need him on the field against better teams.

Still, pounding the ball on the ground in back-to-back road games against division rivals is an immensely satisfying feeling. Mix in a bit more play-action and let Tebow develop his footwork so that his throws are more consistent, and we could have a pretty dangerous attack on our hands.

That's it!

There's something that's almost even more rewarding about it. I mean, KC KNEW we were going run-heavy all day and couldn't stop it. That's just phenomenal.

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 02:55 PM
That's it!

There's something that's almost even more rewarding about it. I mean, KC KNEW we were going run-heavy all day and couldn't stop it. That's just phenomenal.

The whole "they didn't prepare for it all week, and that's why it succeeded" bit (though an ignorant take last week as well) is officially toast. But you'll hear about it again and again beginning tomorrow because we're playing the overrated Jets.

When we were great, we could run the ball on anyone. We may have that coming back in Denver.

Popps
11-13-2011, 03:21 PM
You're also going to hear (ad nauseum) ... "you can't keep winning like this in the NFL" from the talking heads. You're going to hear that over 100 times before next week if you watch or listen to any sports coverage. (As if our team plan would be to NEVER change our strategy again.)

I will say this, I love this philosophy... and as our defense improves, this even gets more fun. But, I don't think you can just plug any QB into this offense at this point. Tebow makes a lot of this ground-stuff go, obviously. If he gets hurt, the game-plan has to go back to a much more passing oriented approach.

Of course, I expect that down the road... we'll have a more balanced attack. But, I've got no problem winning this way. (Or any way, frankly.)

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 03:49 PM
You're also going to hear (ad nauseum) ... "you can't keep winning like this in the NFL" from the talking heads. You're going to hear that over 100 times before next week if you watch or listen to any sports coverage. (As if our team plan would be to NEVER change our strategy again.)

I will say this, I love this philosophy... and as our defense improves, this even gets more fun. But, I don't think you can just plug any QB into this offense at this point. Tebow makes a lot of this ground-stuff go, obviously. If he gets hurt, the game-plan has to go back to a much more passing oriented approach.

Of course, I expect that down the road... we'll have a more balanced attack. But, I've got no problem winning this way. (Or any way, frankly.)

The great thing about this style is that if you can execute it at a high level, you take the QB-heavy offenses out of their mentality. Even if they drive down the field and score, the game is slowed down so heavily that they never really get into a rhythm.

So ultimately, the game boils down to their stopping the run. If the Broncos are having such success...the flow of the game plays right into their hands. Then the D can be aggressive on every down.

Its unconventional in today's NFL, but it is the old standard of how to win games in the NFL and ultimately how to win playoff games.

Brady and Manning are getting old. The era of the running game may return. Tebow and Fox could be some of those transformational figures.

NYBroncoManiac
11-13-2011, 04:41 PM
What I've noticed are the long balls. McCoycalls a lot of long balls (proportionate to the total amount of passes he calls at all)

If you're a believer in the concept that coaches want to win, then you might believe that these plays are actually working in practice. And if they're working there then eventually they'll start working in games. If/when that happens... How do teams plan defenses against the Broncos?

BroncoDoom
11-13-2011, 04:46 PM
I am always envied the smash mouth football teams. It's not pretty, but it's not supposed to be.

I can't remember the last time I saw our team just beating the sh"t out of our opponent and now we have done it two weeks in a row on the road against division rivals.

It hurts just watching Von Miller abuse opposing QB's and I love it.

Archer81
11-13-2011, 04:57 PM
Honestly I think Denver chose to run it 52 times because they have a game thursday. Ate up clock, they were able to grind out a win and gout out of KC as fast as possible. Thursday should be insane because after Denver gets 10 days off.

:Broncos:

Archer81
11-13-2011, 04:58 PM
I am always envied the smash mouth football teams. It's not pretty, but it's not supposed to be.

I can't remember the last time I saw our team just beating the sh"t out of our opponent and now we have done it two weeks in a row on the road against division rivals.

It hurts just watching Von Miller abuse opposing QB's and I love it.


Masochist.

Its nice to see a Broncos game where our Defense is the one doing the shredding.

:Broncos:

bfoflcommish
11-13-2011, 05:09 PM
In the modern prissy passing NFL where the league tilts the field to favor the QB's, your Denver Broncos have chosen to buck convention and go for the throat with an old-school punch-you-in-the-mouth-over-and-over-again offense. Its tiring and demoralizing for the other team and wears them down by the fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is Tebow time. This is a good recipe.

That makes us the most unique team in the league...the team that chose strength and toughness over finesse.

The rest of this season should be fantastic viewing.

i like this against lesser teams on D. But im afraid this current Offense would look bad....very bad against the same kind of defense (pitt, balt, etc...) right now they are playing D's this type of offense is good for. This Thursday will be a very interesting test.

OrangeSe7en
11-13-2011, 05:13 PM
The whole "they didn't prepare for it all week, and that's why it succeeded" bit (though an ignorant take last week as well) is officially toast. But you'll hear about it again and again beginning tomorrow because we're playing the overrated Jets.

When we were great, we could run the ball on anyone. We may have that coming back in Denver.

The thing thats fun about Thursday's game is that the Jets CBs might be their biggest strength on defense. One might wonder if the Jets defense is built more to go against teams like the Patriots since they play in the AFC East. The Broncos are almost the antithesis of the Patriots and to a large degree, Denver's style of play makes the Jets CBs less relevant.

Still though, the Jets have quality players in their front 7 and Ryan is a great defensive coach.

It's definitely an intriguing game.

OrangeSe7en
11-13-2011, 05:18 PM
i like this against lesser teams on D. But im afraid this current Offense would look bad....very bad against the same kind of defense (pitt, balt, etc...) right now they are playing D's this type of offense is good for. This Thursday will be a very interesting test.

Pittsburghs defense might have less of an effect on a primitive passing game like Denver's. It's not as if all the scheming that confuses most passing teams comes into play against teams like Denver where they rely so little on the pass...and then when they do pass, they're attacking the DBs which is where Pittsburgh is weak.

Denver's offense is an interesting matchup against some of the better defenses because those defenses are often predicated on giving the opposing QBs confusing looks. Denver doesn't consistently rely on Tebow beating coverages like what you normally see in the NFL.

Frisian
11-13-2011, 05:20 PM
Hopefully we can continue the smash-mouth type play against the Jets. Surprisingly they are in the bottom half (19th) of the league in run defense, they average 123 ypg. So, maybe we can run on them.

Chris
11-13-2011, 05:24 PM
What I've noticed are the long balls. McCoycalls a lot of long balls (proportionate to the total amount of passes he calls at all)

If you're a believer in the concept that coaches want to win, then you might believe that these plays are actually working in practice. And if they're working there then eventually they'll start working in games. If/when that happens... How do teams plan defenses against the Broncos?

Hey man... long time no see.

Popps
11-13-2011, 05:29 PM
Noticed a few zone-blocking runs today. Would be curious if anyone re-watches it how many we ran.

MileHighMagic
11-13-2011, 05:39 PM
The thing thats fun about Thursday's game is that the Jets CBs might be their biggest strength on defense. One might wonder if the Jets defense is built more to go against teams like the Patriots since they play in the AFC East. The Broncos are almost the antithesis of the Patriots and to a large degree, Denver's style of play makes the Jets CBs less relevant.

Still though, the Jets have quality players in their front 7 and Ryan is a great defensive coach.

It's definitely an intriguing game.

Good ****. +1

NYBroncoManiac
11-13-2011, 05:46 PM
Hey man... long time no see.

Yeah... Been REAL busy. 3 kids in college and a senior in high school will do that to you.

But my oldest daughter's a junior at CU and has been representing us at the games.

baja
11-13-2011, 05:52 PM
The great thing about this style is that if you can execute it at a high level, you take the QB-heavy offenses out of their mentality. Even if they drive down the field and score, the game is slowed down so heavily that they never really get into a rhythm.

So ultimately, the game boils down to their stopping the run. If the Broncos are having such success...the flow of the game plays right into their hands. Then the D can be aggressive on every down.

Its unconventional in today's NFL, but it is the old standard of how to win games in the NFL and ultimately how to win playoff games.

Brady and Manning are getting old. The era of the running game may return. Tebow and Fox could be some of those transformational figures.

good post.

baja
11-13-2011, 05:56 PM
I am always envied the smash mouth football teams. It's not pretty, but it's not supposed to be.

I can't remember the last time I saw our team just beating the sh"t out of our opponent and now we have done it two weeks in a row on the road against division rivals.

It hurts just watching Von Miller abuse opposing QB's and I love it.

I don't know why people keep saying this is not pretty.

I think it is beautiful to watch our Broncos taking it to defenses and out D smashing the other teams running game and QB in the back field.

This is freggin beautiful...

That One Guy
11-13-2011, 07:05 PM
You guys act like the Broncos ran this offense because it's what they wanted to do.

They did it by necessity rather than opportunity. The Broncos put up half the points today that the world famous Matt Moore show put up last week. Winning is awesome but don't kid yourself that this is the future of the NFL or anything. If the coach could run a gameplan that actually relied on competent passing, I'm sure he would.

Popps
11-13-2011, 07:10 PM
You guys act like the Broncos ran this offense because it's what they wanted to do.

They did it by necessity rather than opportunity. The Broncos put up half the points today that the world famous Matt Moore show put up last week. Winning is awesome but don't kid yourself that this is the future of the NFL or anything. If the coach could run a gameplan that actually relied on competent passing, I'm sure he would.

Not me, I've been saying since half-way through the game that this is not a reflection of a "conservative play-caller" as one poster assumed, but the result of having an erratic young passer behind center. (Who runs the ball very well.)

I will say, I think they could have opened up the passing game a BIT more today... but hey, they saw something that would work and went right after it until it stopped working, and then they chucked it deep for a TD. I mean, how are people going to criticize that? It was an excellent game plan and excellent execution.

Clearly, we'll have to open it up some this week. The staff isn't comprised of idiots. They'll probably figure that one out, despite the worries of forum-guy.

Mile High Mojoe
11-13-2011, 07:13 PM
You guys act like the Broncos ran this offense because it's what they wanted to do.

They did it by necessity rather than opportunity. The Broncos put up half the points today that the world famous Matt Moore show put up last week. Winning is awesome but don't kid yourself that this is the future of the NFL or anything. If the coach could run a gameplan that actually relied on competent passing, I'm sure he would.

My response to your post would be:

http://broncoplanet.com/2011/11/elway-tebow-and-a-tale-of-2-games-in-kc/

That One Guy
11-13-2011, 07:17 PM
My response to your post would be:

http://broncoplanet.com/2011/11/elway-tebow-and-a-tale-of-2-games-in-kc/

"Winning is the only thing that matters"

I can buy that. I absolutely agree with that. If this scheme works against the Jets on Thursday, I'll buy into it whole heartedly. I hope it does.

gunns
11-13-2011, 07:19 PM
I kind of hope they do the run it down their throats against the Jets. They give up some pts to runners. Their secondary is very good.

How wonderful it is to look at this guy and say what a beast he is and for once he's on the Broncos defense. Von Miller, a great pick.

That One Guy
11-13-2011, 07:20 PM
Not me, I've been saying since half-way through the game that this is not a reflection of a "conservative play-caller" as one poster assumed, but the result of having an erratic young passer behind center. (Who runs the ball very well.)

I will say, I think they could have opened up the passing game a BIT more today... but hey, they saw something that would work and went right after it until it stopped working, and then they chucked it deep for a TD. I mean, how are people going to criticize that? It was an excellent game plan and excellent execution.

Clearly, we'll have to open it up some this week. The staff isn't comprised of idiots. They'll probably figure that one out, despite the worries of forum-guy.

You've been reasonable through all this. Some think this offense is what the rest of the NFL wishes they could implement and think it's the end all, be all, and the answer to all the Broncos problems. It's not an answer to a problem, it's a mask of one. As long as it works, that's fine, but let's not get too excited because someone's gonna pull that mask off soon.

Sassy
11-13-2011, 07:21 PM
I kind of hope they do the run it down their throats against the Jets. They give up some pts to runners. Their secondary is very good.

How wonderful it is to look at this guy and say what a beast he is and for once he's on the Broncos defense. Von Miller, a great pick.

I don't watch much college football...but when we picked up Miller in the first round, my cousin who has seen a lot of A & M games in person, said we picked up the best players in the draft. He told me the Broncos would love him!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-13-2011, 08:30 PM
oh darn now we cant get luck damn you tebow lol

TonyR
11-13-2011, 08:48 PM
Some think this offense is what the rest of the NFL wishes they could implement and think it's the end all, be all, and the answer to all the Broncos problems. It's not an answer to a problem, it's a mask of one. As long as it works, that's fine, but let's not get too excited because someone's gonna pull that mask off soon.

Not a popular opinion to have, particularly after a win. But I 100% agree.

baja
11-13-2011, 10:09 PM
You guys act like the Broncos ran this offense because it's what they wanted to do.

They did it by necessity rather than opportunity. The Broncos put up half the points today that the world famous Matt Moore show put up last week. Winning is awesome but don't kid yourself that this is the future of the NFL or anything. <b>If the coach could run a gameplan that actually relied on competent passing, I'm sure he would.

If he wanted to do that he'd still be starting Orton.

Micanopy
11-13-2011, 10:25 PM
In the modern prissy passing NFL where the league tilts the field to favor the QB's, your Denver Broncos have chosen to buck convention and go for the throat with an old-school punch-you-in-the-mouth-over-and-over-again offense. Its tiring and demoralizing for the other team and wears them down by the fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is Tebow time. This is a good recipe.

That makes us the most unique team in the league...the team that chose strength and toughness over finesse.

The rest of this season should be fantastic viewing.

This is very similar to Nick Saban's Alabama teams as well

ZONA
11-14-2011, 01:25 AM
You guys act like the Broncos ran this offense because it's what they wanted to do.

They did it by necessity rather than opportunity. The Broncos put up half the points today that the world famous Matt Moore show put up last week. Winning is awesome but don't kid yourself that this is the future of the NFL or anything. If the coach could run a gameplan that actually relied on competent passing, I'm sure he would.

Eeeeehhh, not totally sold on that. I agree they probably would have thrown a few more times but when you're stuffing the ball down their throats and they can't stop you, why stop doing it?

ShutDownPoster
11-14-2011, 03:11 AM
It's quite ironic how an old-school conservative like John Fox - ends up (with Tebow as a vehicle) with the most old school offense in all of football. Now that's sophistication!

The Joker
11-14-2011, 03:51 AM
I'd agree that we're not going to consistently win without completing more passes, teams will find a way to slow down our running game and make us pass more.

But I guess the hope is that as Tebow gets more and more reps and the staff get a better handle on what they can do with him they'll gradually ask a little bit more of him in the passing game from week to week.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect that as he gets more familiar with NFL defense he'll be able to do more and more in the passing game. He'll never be a prolific passer who regularly completes 25-30 passes a game, but he doesn't have to be if we're going to be a team who primarily wants to run the ball.

For now I love the plan, personally. Run the ball and throw the occasional bomb. Tebow generally throws a decent deep ball, much better than he does on the short and intermediate routes for sure. If he can complete a few long balls a game, eat the clock with a hard running game and keep our defense on the sidelines then we'll stay in a lot of games and generally be the fresher team once the 4th quarter rolls around.

MacGruder
11-14-2011, 03:58 AM
People say the Broncos can't win being "one dimensional" on offense..

The reality is the Broncos were "zero dimensional" before.

Now they at least have one dimension - a run game. And they can build off that and maybe develop a pass game now.



I think people keep missing another point.. they aren't playing this style because Tebow can't pass. They are playing this style because it helps the defense so much which is Fox's strength. And they don't have to risk the offense making mistakes like Orton ddi in the pass game. This takes pressure off Tebow too.

Jay3
11-14-2011, 05:02 AM
You guys act like the Broncos ran this offense because it's what they wanted to do.

Fox secretly loves doing this anyway. Tebow gives them the perfect excuse.

tsiguy96
11-14-2011, 05:37 AM
from PFF:

The Broncos went 62 minutes & 40 seconds of game time without a complete pass. In that time they outscored opponents 38 points to 7.

if you dont need to pass the ball, dont. its simple.

Spider
11-14-2011, 05:52 AM
well the thing is if you know the team you are about to play has an erratic young qb ,but they run the ball and you game plan for that ,and that team hangs the century mark on your ass in the 1st quarter,yes you suck,but the other team is dominating.
..dont throw.
.dominate

Peoples Champ
11-14-2011, 07:51 AM
That makes us the most unique team in the league...the team that chose strength and toughness over finesse.



I think that is an overall mentality change since we started Tebow. Tebow brings the team the toughness mentality and its spreading.