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DB-Freak
11-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Cause here's more

Race for Rookie of the Year: More Miller Time?

1. [2] Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos, +27.3 (488 snaps)

He didnít take kindly to being second place in this race and proceeded to take it out on Carson Palmer. Heís still feeling sore after Miller zeroed in on him.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/08/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-more-miller-time/

The PFF Mid Season All Pro Team

Outside Linebackers: Von Miller (Den) and Daryl Smith (Jax)

Believe the hype when it comes to Von Miller. The 4-3 OLB is special, and is simply too quick and too active for most blockers. Itís about time Daryl Smith got his due for years of playing very well. This year may be his best year yet and he seems to be thriving in a Jaguars defense that loaded up on free agent talent. It says something about our thoughts on the 3-4 OLBs (and the injury to James Harrison) that DeMarcus Ware was the only one to scrape in.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/09/the-pff-mid-season-all-pro-team/


Why you should use high picks on linebackers

What a surprise. Khaled Elsayed of Pro Football Focus is about to launch into a paragraph praising Von Miller (+6.5). Well what else am I suppose to do when he plays like this? Proving the naysayers wrong, Miller was more than just a pass rusher in this one as he twice badly beat Khalif Barnes in the running game to pick up one tackle for a loss and another for a short gain. Still his best did come while rushing the passer where he took Carson Palmer down an incredible seven times! Thatís worthy of an exclamation mark even if one of them was an unnecessary roughness penalty and another was a sack called back for a hold in the secondary (though Miller registered pressure within 2.1 seconds). Essentially, Miller destroyed Khalif Barnes, and when Joe Barksdale was forced into the lineup at left guard, Miller was so quickly by Barksdale you needed to watch it in slow motion to make sure he was actually attempting to block him. This kid is special and I really canít say that enough.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/08/re-focused-broncos-raiders-week-9/

Requiem
11-09-2011, 06:12 PM
He's got an arm like a cannon just like Peyton MannINg

OBF1
11-09-2011, 06:23 PM
Carson Palmer = playoffs, just ask any faider fan

crush17
11-09-2011, 06:25 PM
A++ pick.
He is the real deal in every way.

DomCasual
11-09-2011, 06:33 PM
Interesting footnote in one of those links: Quarterback Tim Tebow threw outside the left hash marks just four times. Incredible for a left handed passer.

Come on, Mike McCoy, get the kid more plays to the left side of the field.

broncosteven
11-09-2011, 06:33 PM
Nope. we should be talking about the guy more.

He is one of the bright spots on the team.

I didn't think a guy with his speed would be able to play as well in the run game as he did last week. I keyed on him during the Oakland game and it was fun to watch.

lookin' glass
11-09-2011, 06:35 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

crush17
11-09-2011, 06:38 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Nope.

Garcia Bronco
11-09-2011, 06:39 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Depends.

Crushisback
11-09-2011, 06:45 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Stupid to even consider. Miller is what we build around. He is not a bargaining chip in the re-build.

orinjkrush
11-09-2011, 06:53 PM
only if we through Elway in for Chris Hinton

gyldenlove
11-09-2011, 06:58 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Never.

WolfpackGuy
11-09-2011, 07:01 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Hell no.

Throw in another first rounder.

Wait until they get a load of picking #32 3 years in a row...

epicSocialism4tw
11-09-2011, 07:11 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Take this crap to the dang Andrew Luck threads.

Turd_Ferguson
11-09-2011, 07:12 PM
Miller deserves to be talked about more than anybody on the team including the quarterbacks. He is unreal in pass rush. He is so fast, and as a bonus he is freakishly strong and can bull rush with the best of them. Can't wait until he starts growing into his position... can you imagine this guy if he starts getting some interceptions in coverage and doing other things to compliment his pass rush??

epicSocialism4tw
11-09-2011, 07:13 PM
The best word to describe Miller? Electric.

Dude comes off the snap like lightning.

HAT
11-09-2011, 07:16 PM
Hopefully EFX follows him up with a first round MLB next April.

Popps
11-09-2011, 07:18 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

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epicSocialism4tw
11-09-2011, 07:29 PM
Hopefully EFX follows him up with a first round MLB next April.

Heck yeah.

extralife
11-09-2011, 07:57 PM
when Joe Barksdale was forced into the lineup at left guard, Miller was so quickly by Barksdale you needed to watch it in slow motion to make sure he was actually attempting to block him.

the stupid part is this isn't even hyperbole

Jetmeck
11-09-2011, 07:59 PM
Miller gonna get some this week..................

NUB
11-09-2011, 08:31 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Nope. I'd use those firsts to draft a LB or DT. I'm pretty wanting of an instinctive middle-linebacker right now so Luke Kuechly is high on my list.

Conklin
11-09-2011, 09:31 PM
while you are at it vote for Von here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/vote-for-the-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-so-far/

Turd_Ferguson
11-09-2011, 09:48 PM
while you are at it vote for Von here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/vote-for-the-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-so-far/

You should start a thread devoted to winning this vote.

HAT
11-09-2011, 10:20 PM
Depends.

This, and only this....Is the correct answer to the question as posed.

tsiguy96
11-10-2011, 04:31 AM
pff has miller as the best OLB in the league, the rookie of the year and the top LB for week 9. this kid is legit...i just wish it was complimented with more wins, he might get more exposure.

cutthemdown
11-10-2011, 04:42 AM
If Miller gets some more good players around just think what he would do. Put him next to a stud mlb, in behind a stud DE etc etc. Right now in the front 7 outside of doom when he's healthy, Miller the only real threat to dominate. The rest not really the types who demand a double team or a scheme to account for them.

cutthemdown
11-10-2011, 04:45 AM
pff has miller as the best OLB in the league, the rookie of the year and the top LB for week 9. this kid is legit...i just wish it was complimented with more wins, he might get more exposure.

Who cares let's just hope he's a 10 yr starter and we talk about him like we do the Snow Goose and Gradishar. He's actually talked about on just about every show where they discuss rookies. So I'm not sure what exposure you think he is missing out on anyways.

Even some fans of other teams mentioned to me how awesome they think he is and wished he was on their teams.

Really he is the most talked about rookie outside of Newton, who at QB that is to be expected. What is funnier is one writeup did a redraft where they had Broncos taking Dalton and Miller sliding down like 10 spots lol. Are you kidding me I would not be surprised if Broncos would select same player if they could do it over again.

ShutDownPoster
11-10-2011, 04:59 AM
And now we have a defensive HC that will exploit Von's talents to the fullest. woo hoo!

bowtown
11-10-2011, 05:09 AM
And now we have a defensive HC that will exploit Von's talents to the fullest. woo hoo!

If only he'd stop sabotaging him.

TheReverend
11-10-2011, 06:59 AM
If only he'd stop sabotaging him.

Von just can't adjust to the altitude.

TheReverend
11-10-2011, 06:59 AM
Come on guys, go vote

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/vote-for-the-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-so-far/

Right now Von is in third behind Aldon Smith and Peterson, we killed all the votes in 08 so let's do it again.

Turd_Ferguson
11-10-2011, 07:40 AM
I bet a buddy of mine that is a Lions fan before the season that Von Miller and Doom would have more sacks this year than Suh and Fairly... Looking good so far! If only Suh could play Kuper every week!

bowtown
11-10-2011, 07:56 AM
I bet a buddy of mine that is a Lions fan before the season that Von Miller and Doom would have more sacks this year than Suh and Fairly... Looking good so far! If only Suh could play Kuper every week!

That is the dumbest bet by your friend I have ever heard, and it has nothing to do with who the players are.

jhns
11-10-2011, 08:01 AM
That is the dumbest bet by your friend I have ever heard, and it has nothing to do with who the players are.

^ This. Football 101 is doing a facepalm.

Turd_Ferguson
11-10-2011, 08:08 AM
That is the dumbest bet by your friend I have ever heard, and it has nothing to do with who the players are.

I know right! Two DTs against a pass rushing linebacker and a pass rushing LB.. Lions fans are so simple.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-10-2011, 08:08 AM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

Nope.

gunns
11-11-2011, 06:27 PM
So, the Colts get #1 overall in the draft. The Broncos say "What do want for the pick?" The Colts say "Two #1s and Miller", would you want the Broncos to take that deal?

No
No
No

Broncoman13
11-13-2011, 03:52 PM
1.5 more sacks and a number of pressures that don't show up in a stat book but they sure as hell made a difference!!!!!!!!!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-13-2011, 03:52 PM
I love me some Von. WHAT A BEAST!

BroncoInferno
11-13-2011, 03:54 PM
Has 8 sacks as a 4-3 strong side linebacker. Is there a comparable player to how we are using Miller? Maybe Julian Peterson when he played for San Fran/Seattle?

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 04:04 PM
This guy has started to have a bit of a mean streak too.

What a weapon for the future. How long have we pined for a dominant pass rush? We have one now. Next season should be even better as the staff adds players to fit their scheme and players like Vickerson and Warren return to the rotation.

We seriously could have a playoffs-level defense next year if the front office is shrewd.

ColoradoDarin
11-13-2011, 04:04 PM
During the draft, I wanted Dareus, but man oh man did I ever change my view after I saw Von in preseason and it has continued right though the season.

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 04:05 PM
During the draft, I wanted Dareus, but man oh man did I ever change my view after I saw Von in preseason and it has continued right though the season.

Dareus is having a good year too, but Von has been electric.

That One Guy
11-13-2011, 04:16 PM
So... how does this change thinking in terms of our Shanny years? We were always slightly better than mediocre but just didn't have the difference maker (aside from Champ). What if, however, we'd blown the thing up, gotten a top 5 or 10 playmaker, and rebuilt the team with quality young players?

Would it have been worth it to have a few crappy season to shake mediocrity and get a player like Miller?

ColoradoDarin
11-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Dareus is having a good year too, but Von has been electric.

He is, we couldn't have gone wrong with taking him either IMO. Obviously DTs don't get the #s that rush LBs or DEs get, but Von is something special and I'm glad he's a Bronco!

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 04:25 PM
He is, we couldn't have gone wrong with taking him either IMO. Obviously DTs don't get the #s that rush LBs or DEs get, but Von is something special and I'm glad he's a Bronco!

Its easier to find a Dareus than it is to find a Von Miller. Von is already among the NFL's elite pass rushers.

Chris
11-13-2011, 04:57 PM
Found a picture of Von from today's game. Taken right after the snap with a special high speed camera. He actually looks a little different when he's on the field.

http://eatmypotato.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/sr71.gif

BroncoDoug
11-13-2011, 07:46 PM
No, you can never talk enough about Von... wow he is insane fast!

cutthemdown
11-13-2011, 07:47 PM
Has 8 sacks as a 4-3 strong side linebacker. Is there a comparable player to how we are using Miller? Maybe Julian Peterson when he played for San Fran/Seattle?

Hmm Jevon Kearse when he was playing really well?

That One Guy
11-13-2011, 07:48 PM
Hmm Jevon Kearse when he was playing really well?

Did he line up at LB? I thought he was a DE?

enjolras
11-13-2011, 07:51 PM
Did he line up at LB? I thought he was a DE?

They moved him all over the line. In the rushing the passer sense, there are some real similarities. Before Kearse fell off a cliff, he would routinely line up in 4 or 5 different gaps depending on the situation.

cutthemdown
11-13-2011, 07:53 PM
Looks like you didn't go wrong with Newton, Dalton, Miller, Dareus, Green, or JJ Watt early in the first round. The good news is our pick doesn't look avg, he looks like a stud. We lack star power so this is really good news. Too bad Bailey getting old but I think he still have 2 more yrs in him. We need a couple more studs on defense, maybe at mlb or dt, but even DE or another CB. Hopefully the 2 rookie safetys get better and can start next yr.

barryr
11-13-2011, 07:53 PM
Moving Miller is exactly what they should be doing. He is a force as it is, but add the OL will not know where he will be from snap to snap? Dangerous!

barryr
11-13-2011, 07:54 PM
Looks like you didn't go wrong with Newton, Dalton, Miller, Dareus, Green, or JJ Watt early in the first round. The good news is our pick doesn't look avg, he looks like a stud. We lack star power so this is really good news. Too bad Bailey getting old but I think he still have 2 more yrs in him. We need a couple more studs on defense, maybe at mlb or dt, but even DE or another CB. Hopefully the 2 rookie safetys get better and can start next yr.

CB is a real problem area, and more help or depth at least on the DL and LB would be great too.

cutthemdown
11-13-2011, 07:55 PM
Did he line up at LB? I thought he was a DE?

Yeah like the other poster said I remember him playing standing up, but also playing with his hand down, and also dropping into coverage.

Really though for some reason when Miller comes around the edge his body lean, the way he always keeps his head up and on the qb, reminds me of LT.

cutthemdown
11-13-2011, 07:57 PM
CB is a real problem area, and more help or depth at least on the DL and LB would be great too.

Really though I think Elway and Xanders were smart. Take the guy who seems like a sure fire stud in round 1. Even if it was a WR or RB and the guy was a stud it would help Broncos big time. Even a weakside linebacker would be good because quite frankly I hope he doesn't rub off on Miller. :). Until you have a really complete team you can just select BPA IMO. The good news is the young line, and doom and Miller all look pretty good.

If the oline can become young and good, we can move on to fine tuning our skill positions on offense.

cutthemdown
11-13-2011, 07:59 PM
Moving Miller is exactly what they should be doing. He is a force as it is, but add the OL will not know where he will be from snap to snap? Dangerous!

I noticed Doom moved around some today right? I like it also. Find lineman who can't block then put our best pass rushers over them.

Also though I wanted to say Bunkley and Thomas turning in some decent play in the trenches. Still don't think they can stand up to elite inside blocking, but playing hard.

Another thing, Broncos just seem not as stupid as last yr. Still sort of dumb sometimes, but better.

barryr
11-13-2011, 08:08 PM
Really though I think Elway and Xanders were smart. Take the guy who seems like a sure fire stud in round 1. Even if it was a WR or RB and the guy was a stud it would help Broncos big time. Even a weakside linebacker would be good because quite frankly I hope he doesn't rub off on Miller. :). Until you have a really complete team you can just select BPA IMO. The good news is the young line, and doom and Miller all look pretty good.

If the oline can become young and good, we can move on to fine tuning our skill positions on offense.

Yep, I liked Dareus, but Miller was the guy for me since I believed he could be a star player with his pass rush skills. Dareus looks like a solid player, but not sure a star type.

The Broncos will need to continue to take the BPA available in the draft and fill needs in free agency.

barryr
11-13-2011, 08:12 PM
I noticed Doom moved around some today right? I like it also. Find lineman who can't block then put our best pass rushers over them.

Also though I wanted to say Bunkley and Thomas turning in some decent play in the trenches. Still don't think they can stand up to elite inside blocking, but playing hard.

Another thing, Broncos just seem not as stupid as last yr. Still sort of dumb sometimes, but better.

Even McBean is making plays the last 2-3 games and until then, he really hadn't done anything positive at least.

3-4 teams tend to move guys around to try to confuse the OL, but since the Broncos use both 3-4 and a 4-3, then they should continue to do the same. Dumervil will be more of a force if the OL don't always know what side he is coming from, like Miller or sometimes coming up the middle. I don't know why every team doesn't do this with their defenses. Why give the OL pretty much the same look every play? Unless you have physically dominating players that can dominate man blocking no matter the matchups, seems this is the strategy to use.

bronco militia
11-13-2011, 08:14 PM
with the way they move him around the front 7, he could be a much more dominant version of this guy

http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/mnf/1108/photo/s_mecklenburg_i.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2011, 08:20 PM
Moving Miller is exactly what they should be doing. He is a force as it is, but add the OL will not know where he will be from snap to snap? Dangerous!

We should nickname him "The Ghost".

edog24
11-13-2011, 08:27 PM
Miller was straight up nasty today. His intensity is amazing, I always watch him on d to see what he is going to do next.

Dedhed
11-13-2011, 08:33 PM
This is two weeks in a row where he's been as disruptive a defender as I've seen in the NFL this year.

Lycan
11-13-2011, 08:36 PM
I don't think it is possible to talk enough about Miller.

Every defensive play this is the guy you keep your eyes on waiting to see what he is going to do. Seems to get to the QB almost every time he rushes.

And he's pretty damn good against the run as well.

Chris
11-13-2011, 08:56 PM
Even McBean is making plays the last 2-3 games and until then, he really hadn't done anything positive at least.

3-4 teams tend to move guys around to try to confuse the OL, but since the Broncos use both 3-4 and a 4-3, then they should continue to do the same. Dumervil will be more of a force if the OL don't always know what side he is coming from, like Miller or sometimes coming up the middle. I don't know why every team doesn't do this with their defenses. Why give the OL pretty much the same look every play? Unless you have physically dominating players that can dominate man blocking no matter the matchups, seems this is the strategy to use.

Pretty sure I saw Doom move to the opposite side for his final sack today.

bowtown
11-13-2011, 08:58 PM
Pretty sure I saw Doom move to the opposite side for his final sack today.

He did. The Vondoom show is getting really exciting.

I LOVE HAVING A DEFENSE!!!! THANK YOU JOHN FOX AND DENNIS ALLEN!!!!

Ziggy
11-13-2011, 09:15 PM
Von gets a huge spotlight game on Thursday night. If he goes off and gets 2 or 3 sacks, he not only locks up defensive rookie of the year, but may get himself into the pro bowl.

Br0nc0Buster
11-13-2011, 09:18 PM
I thought Von was supposed to be Robin?

right now Doom needs to catch up to Von's level

Tim
11-13-2011, 09:18 PM
Von gets a huge spotlight game on Thursday night. If he goes off and gets 2 or 3 sacks, he not only locks up defensive rookie of the year, but may get himself into the pro bowl.

It will take an injury for both of these not to happen

cutthemdown
11-13-2011, 09:18 PM
He did. The Vondoom show is getting really exciting.

I LOVE HAVING A DEFENSE!!!! THANK YOU JOHN FOX AND DENNIS ALLEN!!!!

Broncos get one more pass rusher, like a stud DT or DE who gets after the QB they would be deadly. They may get to a point they only ever have to rush 4 guys and still get pressure.

That coupled with a decent secondary wins a lot of games because you don't give up very many big plays when you don't blitz.

OrangeSe7en
11-13-2011, 09:21 PM
He did. The Vondoom show is getting really exciting.

I LOVE HAVING A DEFENSE!!!! THANK YOU JOHN FOX AND DENNIS ALLEN!!!!

I wonder if people realize that having such an effective and run heavy offense greatly contributes to the defense getting after it? I think the Chiefs only had the ball a couple of times in the first half. Denver was really able to squeeze the clock and make KC play uphill once they had the lead.

OrangeSe7en
11-13-2011, 09:26 PM
Von gets a huge spotlight game on Thursday night. If he goes off and gets 2 or 3 sacks, he not only locks up defensive rookie of the year, but may get himself into the pro bowl.

What I'd like to see out of this game is for the script to be flipped. By that I mean, there has been so much talk of whether Tebow can work in the NFL. I'd like Doom to bring the heat and make Sanchez struggle to move the attention to him. Also, for the past couple of years Rex Ryan has talked about being ground and pound. I'd like to see us show them ground and pound ^2.

Kaylore
11-13-2011, 09:29 PM
I don't have words for how awesome Miller is. He's incredible and he's only a rookie. If he can be even average as a pass defender he will easily be one of the best defenders of his era.

The Joker
11-13-2011, 09:41 PM
He's arguably the best player on our team already, IMO. I'd probably give Champ the nod ahead of him, but after that I'm drawing a blank.

As has been said, the sky is the limit for this kid.

Major props to the at times much maligned EFX for picking this kid, he's awesome.

Simple Jake
11-13-2011, 09:53 PM
Really though I think Elway and Xanders were smart. Take the guy who seems like a sure fire stud in round 1. Even if it was a WR or RB and the guy was a stud it would help Broncos big time. Even a weakside linebacker would be good because quite frankly I hope he doesn't rub off on Miller. :). Until you have a really complete team you can just select BPA IMO. The good news is the young line, and doom and Miller all look pretty good.

If the oline can become young and good, we can move on to fine tuning our skill positions on offense.

Sooo sooo happy to see Doom come on in the last couple weeks

vonqkilla
11-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Von is ridiculously good. Killing it from all over.

Also, Dennis Allen.

Great job coaching up, Ed Nunnelly d line coach.

Defense!!!!!

So much better than last year. Amazing improvement.

McDman
11-13-2011, 11:01 PM
Meh, he's ok.

Popps
11-13-2011, 11:07 PM
How many rookies are double teamed... and beating them?
Unreal. Those who watch a lot of film seem to think he's doing a lot right outside of the pass rush, too.

We just have to get Doom healthy so he can take advantage of 1 on 1 match ups.

vonqkilla
11-13-2011, 11:10 PM
Ayers is playing well too. Von doom effect is freeing up guys like ayers, mcbean, and dj another strip sack!

rovolution
11-13-2011, 11:16 PM
Miller is a monster.

Despite barely registering any "flashy-type" stats in the Raider game last week, he was easily the MVP of that game. Constantly harassed the Faider o-line.

He was a nightmare for Palmer last week and will haunt Cassel's dreams tonight.

gyldenlove
11-14-2011, 09:02 AM
There are right now 3 players in the NFL with more tackles behind the line of scrimmage than Von Miller (they all have 1 more than he does) they are Jared Allen, Demarcus Ware and Jason-Pierre Paul.

ColoradoDarin
11-14-2011, 09:08 AM
Ayers is playing well too. Von doom effect is freeing up guys like ayers, mcbean, and dj another strip sack!

It was great seeing Miller BEAT the doubleteam yesterday, it's really opening up a lot for other to make plays. Opponents have to pick their poison, but it's death either way :)

gyldenlove
11-14-2011, 09:31 AM
It was great seeing Miller BEAT the doubleteam yesterday, it's really opening up a lot for other to make plays. Opponents have to pick their poison, but it's death either way :)

Give this team a really good 3-tech and we are going to have a better pass rush than the Giants and Lions, there is a lot of speed and technique.