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MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 03:42 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

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For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

Pick Six
11-07-2011, 03:46 PM
Quinn was activated for Sunday's game, if that is any indication of a potential change...

DBruleU
11-07-2011, 03:47 PM
I tend to agree. After two games and that's it? Yeah, he didn't look great the first two games, but c'mon man! At least get a good number of games in and then see where Tebow is. Elway has had some strange comments.

BroncoBeavis
11-07-2011, 03:55 PM
You won't find a bigger Elway fan than me. But if they'd quit on Tebow that quick, I would've been pretty sour on "Front Office Elway"

For one, Tebow's early career starts have compared pretty favorably to Elway himself. If anyone should understand what it takes to grow into an NFL QB, it should be John.

And second, I think it was Woodrobe who wrote something to the effect in the Post that Elway isn't spending any time working with Tebow. Why the hell not? Even if you don't think Tebow will work out, a good staff is going to give every player their best opportunity to improve. "I'm not going to help because I don't think you'll pan out" is a loser's excuse.

But maybe that's not really how it is, or maybe there's more to it. I hope so, for the sake of the team.

elsid13
11-07-2011, 03:56 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

Are you really calling out the man that made the Denver Broncos for kid that done nothing??? WTF isn't there gay gator board you should be posting on.

Kaylore
11-07-2011, 04:02 PM
I tend to agree. After two games and that's it? Yeah, he didn't look great the first two games
Is this a joke? Biggest understatement ever. He was one of the worst pro QB's I've ever seen. Seriously Jamarcus Russell made more plays and played with more pocket presence than Tebow did last week and for 127 minutes of the week before.

I personally would not have been able to watch anymore football the way the offense was going. I think the coaching staff would have been able to be sued for negligence if they didn't at least have the Quinn contingency in place.

Is Tim such a puss that he can't handle being let know he needs to perform to keep his job? He had his best game this season yesterday, so the answer is no, he is not a puss and can handle that kind of pressure.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 04:03 PM
Are you really calling out the man that made the Denver Broncos for kid that done nothing??? WTF isn't there gay gator board you should be posting on.

care to post with proper grammar?

Yeah, I'm calling out John Elway, because he's now in a suit and no longer in a jersey... the fact that you even have this thought process is mind boggling.

So, since John Elway went to 5 super bowls, won 2, he can get a pass to just use the organization as an experiment business venture?

:rofl:

Smilin Assassin
11-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Witch Hunt!

Rohirrim
11-07-2011, 04:05 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

And here I thought Elway was the greatest Broncos player ever and you were the idiot.

Imagine.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Is Tim such a puss that he can't handle being let know he needs to perform to keep his job? He had his best game this season yesterday, so the answer is no, he is not a puss and can handle that kind of pressure.

It's not about having that pressure, it's about your organization standing behind you.

There is no other organization in the league that publicly treats their starting QB as EFX does. Did you see some of the questions they were asking Tebow after the game yesterday?

It's really pathetic to be honest.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 04:07 PM
And here I thought Elway was the greatest Broncos player ever and you were the idiot.

Imagine.

what the hell does Elway being the greatest Bronco have to do with him wearing a suit?

It's really sad that Elway being in FO gives fans comfort just because what he's done on the field... they'll stand behind Elway because what he's done on he field but they can't stand behind Tebow on his quest to show he can lead a winning team.

Pathetic.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 04:08 PM
It's not like the majority of you have any credibility anyways, ya'll are the same people that were riding Hillis like he was AP.

Where is all that talk now? :rofl:

DBruleU
11-07-2011, 04:10 PM
Is this a joke? Biggest understatement ever. He was one of the worst pro QB's I've ever seen. Seriously Jamarcus Russell made more plays and played with more pocket presence than Tebow did last week and for 127 minutes of the week before.

I personally would not have been able to watch anymore football the way the offense was going. I think the coaching staff would have been able to be sued for negligence if they didn't at least have the Quinn contingency in place.

Is Tim such a puss that he can't handle being let know he needs to perform to keep his job? He had his best game this season yesterday, so the answer is no, he is not a puss and can handle that kind of pressure.

Relax there guy. I wasn't talking about your mom.

DBruleU
11-07-2011, 04:12 PM
It's not about having that pressure, it's about your organization standing behind you.

There is no other organization in the league that publicly treats their starting QB as EFX does. Did you see some of the questions they were asking Tebow after the game yesterday?

It's really pathetic to be honest.

This.

It's simple. You need to show support for a player and let them play without uneeded pressure. It's been wishy-washy each week. I can't ever tell if there is any support for Tebow. His team mates seem to have more for him.

ant1999e
11-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Some of you need to seperate the football player from the front office guy.
Elways made a habit of running his mouth way too much.

Rohirrim
11-07-2011, 04:13 PM
what the hell does Elway being the greatest Bronco have to do with him wearing a suit?

It's really sad that Elway being in FO gives fans comfort just because what he's done on the field... they'll stand behind Elway because what he's done on he field but they can't stand behind Tebow on his quest to show he can lead a winning team.

Pathetic.

It means that Elway has earned the benefit of the doubt. Tebow? Not so much.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-07-2011, 04:14 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

Better than rideing Tebows for no reason.

Armchair Bronco
11-07-2011, 04:14 PM
Elway is one of my all-time Bronco heroes, but the guy clearly has zero business sense. And running the Front Office of an NFL franchise is a business, plain and simple.

Elway's track record in business is, for the most part, a failure. He sold his string of successful car dealerships to Wayne Huizenga for millions, received stock in return, sat on the stock as the share price plunged, and was left with pennies on the dollar at the end of the day. He also lost millions on MVP.com and on the arena football league. Since selling his car dealerships, I can't think of a single successful business venture that Elway's been involved with.

I don't think Elway or Fox ever intended to give Tebow an honest shake. Their fear was that Orton would be able to eek out a near .500 record, putting them out of the Andrew Luck bowl. With Tebow at the helm, they hoped that the Broncos would tank. But that hasn't happened, and now Elway's worried that his chance to vicariously re-live his career through Luck is slipping away.

enjolras
11-07-2011, 04:15 PM
You know... Tebow has had nothing but people standing behind him his whole life. Maybe this sort of thing is what he needs?

Doesn't really matter. They didn't pull him and he'll be starting next week. What's the point in speculating about anything else?

ant1999e
11-07-2011, 04:15 PM
It means that Elway has earned the benefit of the doubt. Tebow? Not so much.

Playing football not running a team.

enjolras
11-07-2011, 04:19 PM
Elway's track record in business is, for the most part, a failure. He sold his string of successful car dealerships to Wayne Huizenga for millions, received stock in return, sat on the stock as the share price plunged, and was left with pennies on the dollar at the end of the day. He also lost millions on MVP.com and on the arena football league. Since selling his car dealerships, I can't think of a single successful business venture that Elway's been involved with.

His restaurant is opening a new location and seems to be consistently packed.

I don't think Elway or Fox ever intended to give Tebow an honest shake. Their fear was that Orton would be able to eek out a near .500 record, putting them out of the Andrew Luck bowl. With Tebow at the helm, they hoped that the Broncos would tank. But that hasn't happened, and now Elway's worried that his chance to vicariously re-live his career through Luck is slipping away.

*sighs*

Really? You really think that? They're starting the kid and giving him his shot. He'll be starting his fourth game next week.

I think Elway has done nothing be open and transparent about what he thinks of the Broncos QB situation. Clearly you don't like what he's saying, fair enough, but stop with the conspiracy drivel.

Tebow will get to continue to start based on his performance on Sunday. Deliver another good performance and he'll get to keep playing. WTF is wrong with that?

errand
11-07-2011, 04:19 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

Really...how about when tebow quits being so consistently inconsistent?

Like it or not the NFL is a performance based league....do your job and you'll be able to keep for awhile until you can't, or someone else can do it better.

Rohirrim
11-07-2011, 04:19 PM
Playing football not running a team.

Forgive me if I'm willing to give him one season before I decide.

This is the one thing that makes it so hard to accept Tebow on this team; The relentless drama.

enjolras
11-07-2011, 04:20 PM
Forgive me if I'm willing to give him one season before I decide.

This is the one thing that makes it so hard to accept Tebow on this team; The relentless drama.

I wish there was a filter for everyone who joined after about the summer of 2010:)

DenverBroncosJM
11-07-2011, 04:22 PM
It means that Elway has earned the benefit of the doubt. Tebow? Not so much.

Elway the player has..Elway the front office guy not so much.


Lets not confuse the two Elway the player was great. Elway the front office guy is a fumbling, bumbling fool. I was afraid of this happening that one of my all time favorite Broncos would tarnish himself running something he has no business running.

Armchair Bronco
11-07-2011, 04:22 PM
His restaurant is opening a new location and seems to be consistently packed.

Dude, Tyrone Braxton & Steve Atwater could open a restaurant in Denver and it would be successful.

"Tyrone & Steve's House of Big Hits"

baja
11-07-2011, 04:37 PM
what the hell does Elway being the greatest Bronco have to do with him wearing a suit?

It's really sad that Elway being in FO gives fans comfort just because what he's done on the field... they'll stand behind Elway because what he's done on he field but they can't stand behind Tebow on his quest to show he can lead a winning team.

Pathetic.

I think he just gets a bit longer honey moon. He will be scrutinized just like everyone else in the FO.

Irish Stout
11-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Elway is one of my all-time Bronco heroes, but the guy clearly has zero business sense. And running the Front Office of an NFL franchise is a business, plain and simple.

Elway's track record in business is, for the most part, a failure. He sold his string of successful car dealerships to Wayne Huizenga for millions, received stock in return, sat on the stock as the share price plunged, and was left with pennies on the dollar at the end of the day. He also lost millions on MVP.com and on the arena football league. Since selling his car dealerships, I can't think of a single successful business venture that Elway's been involved with.

I don't think Elway or Fox ever intended to give Tebow an honest shake. Their fear was that Orton would be able to eek out a near .500 record, putting them out of the Andrew Luck bowl. With Tebow at the helm, they hoped that the Broncos would tank. But that hasn't happened, and now Elway's worried that his chance to vicariously re-live his career through Luck is slipping away.

Good thing Elway isn't running the Broncos business interests then huh?

For someone who is such a poor businessman, it sure seems that Elway has the financial ability to keep going and growing businesses. He has maintained ownership of a string of car dealerships in California, even as he made $82 million off the sale of the Colorado businesses to Autonation (after stock decline and sale estimates around $55 million in 2006). Autonation continued to pay Elway millions more for his sponsorship of the dealerships. He has developed and grown his steakhouses and they're opening up another one out by DIA. He has been able to purchase and reopen more car dealerships in Colorado more recently. Doesn't seem to me that he is exactly a business failure.

Elway stepped into the FO role with one motto; transparency. And you pretty much get it with him, he doesn't pull punches. That being said, he is always complimentary of Tebow's work ethic and always says the kid can learn the things he hasn't grasped yet. He just isn't sold on Timmy yet. Not many are yet. His whole purpose is to be critical to help the Broncos become a better team. He is being critical, but he is not making the calls on which QB should or should not play, both he and Fox acknowledge that.

Its not the FO that needs to step up and declare undying love for a player. Don't get pissed at Elway for doing what he said he'd do in this job; be transparent and honest. Get pissed at how Fox for how he has handled the QB situation, as it is his responsibility.

fontaine
11-07-2011, 04:44 PM
Oh cry me a ****ing river.

Another over sensitive, hyper ventallitating thread about how Tebow isn't being treated like royalty.

Moreno, Carter, Miller etc all got benched or replaced at times and you didn't see drama queens venting about how Elway/Fox etc need to stand behind them, give them a hug and a public show of affection.

1. The entire offense has been changed to suit Tebow. Never mind the strengths/weakenesses of the OL, WRs, TEs etc, and how much time and effort the starters spent learning the Orton Offense. No Fox/Elway put Tebow first.

2. Nevermind that we had a pro bowl WR that could run every route and make routine circus catches. Lloyd wasn't 100% behind Tebow so what did Fox/Elway do? Before it could spread and cause a division in the locker room they traded the guy for next to nothing. Fox/Elway put Tebow ahead of Lloyd.

3. Nevermind that Orton was already making $9million, Fox and Elway decided to commit to Tebow by paying him starters type money this season when they could have easily traded him, cut him, renegotiated or whatever. They still put him first and eventually benched Orton.

Never mind all of that.

Your feelings are hurt because Elway is in the FO and has already said numerous times that coaching the team is on Fox and he's not going to interfere and is only explaining what Fox was doing instead of back stabbing the coach live on air by making Fox's decision for him and saying "I love Timmy no matter what."

Yeah, I'd love to hear what other coaches around the league think about a first time FO guy in Elway making a coach's decision and declaring Tebow to be the unquestioned starter. I bet the coaching staff would love that.

It's exactly the kind of douchebag, classless move that McDaniels would have made in exceeding his authority, but Elway being the classy, sensible guy that he is answered diplomatically and backed his coach and staff instead of making their decisions for them.

What a great thread.

Blueflame
11-07-2011, 04:44 PM
I wish there was a filter for everyone who joined after about the summer of 2010:)

There is. Members List; filter by "Join Date".

DomCasual
11-07-2011, 04:47 PM
Witch Hunt!

You're nothing but a projector.

Irish Stout
11-07-2011, 04:48 PM
Dude, Tyrone Braxton & Steve Atwater could open a restaurant in Denver and it would be successful.

"Tyrone & Steve's House of Big Hits"

And that would be a shrewd business decision for them then.

sinuous sausage
11-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Good thing Elway isn't running the Broncos business interests then huh?

For someone who is such a poor businessman, it sure seems that Elway has the financial ability to keep going and growing businesses. He has maintained ownership of a string of car dealerships in California, even as he made $82 million off the sale of the Colorado businesses to Autonation (after stock decline and sale estimates around $55 million in 2006). Autonation continued to pay Elway millions more for his sponsorship of the dealerships. He has developed and grown his steakhouses and they're opening up another one out by DIA. He has been able to purchase and reopen more car dealerships in Colorado more recently. Doesn't seem to me that he is exactly a business failure.

Elway stepped into the FO role with one motto; transparency. And you pretty much get it with him, he doesn't pull punches. That being said, he is always complimentary of Tebow's work ethic and always says the kid can learn the things he hasn't grasped yet. He just isn't sold on Timmy yet. Not many are yet. His whole purpose is to be critical to help the Broncos become a better team. He is being critical, but he is not making the calls on which QB should or should not play, both he and Fox acknowledge that.

Its not the FO that needs to step up and declare undying love for a player. Don't get pissed at Elway for doing what he said he'd do in this job; be transparent and honest. Get pissed at how Fox for how he has handled the QB situation, as it is his responsibility.

I happen to think there are plenty of folks out there handling the "critique Tebow" bit. Might be nice to have your boss give you a vote of confidence...or am I alone in that?

If anything, John Albert Elway, Jr. should have an even shorter leash based on his tremendous success on the field: people just typically aren't cut out to be maestros at more than one thing over the course of a lifetime. And if John's concern is strictly business, he should view Tesus as a boon.

BroncoBeavis
11-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Forgive me if I'm willing to give him one season before I decide.

This is the one thing that makes it so hard to accept Tebow on this team; The relentless drama.

irony /ˈīərnē

Popps
11-07-2011, 04:52 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.


Finally! I was wondering what Bronco was next on the hate list. I mean, we won... so naturally today should be about hating our own players and coaches.

Thanks!

DomCasual
11-07-2011, 04:56 PM
Is this a joke? Biggest understatement ever. He was one of the worst pro QB's I've ever seen. Seriously Jamarcus Russell made more plays and played with more pocket presence than Tebow did last week and for 127 minutes of the week before.

I personally would not have been able to watch anymore football the way the offense was going. I think the coaching staff would have been able to be sued for negligence if they didn't at least have the Quinn contingency in place.

Is Tim such a puss that he can't handle being let know he needs to perform to keep his job? He had his best game this season yesterday, so the answer is no, he is not a puss and can handle that kind of pressure.

I understand what you're saying. But, in this case, I don't really see a viable alternative.

We know Kyle Orton has no future with the organization (thank you, God). We mostly know that Brady Quinn has no future with the organization (although I would be totally fine with him backing up someone next year). So, with those things said, I don't see what the logic would be of yanking Tebow that quickly. In fact, if you want to lose, then playing the Tebow of the Lions game seems like about as sure a way as possible.

The ONLY exception I can see to this is if you feel Tebow has a future with the team, and you don't want to irreparably screw him up with the mental and physical beating he's going to take.

I keep reminding myself that Elway has a plan. He may not have experience with personnel; but he's a smart guy. And as a man with signed jerseys, pictures, and helmets on my wall, he has earned my trust - at least for the foreseeable future.

BroncoBeavis
11-07-2011, 04:56 PM
It's not about hate.

Matt Millen has 4 rings. Didn't mean squat in the front office. Elway has just as much to prove in his new role as Tebow does.

DomCasual
11-07-2011, 04:57 PM
Finally! I was wondering what Bronco was next on the hate list. I mean, we won... so naturally today should be about hating our own players and coaches.

Thanks!

Jason Elam is next on my list.

Just because!

DomCasual
11-07-2011, 04:58 PM
It's not about hate.

Matt Millen has 4 rings. Didn't mean squat in the front office. Elway has just as much to prove in his new role as Tebow does.

Yeah, but he didn't have them with the Lions. If I was a Lions' fan, I would hate Matt Millen with the fire of a thousand suns.

OABB
11-07-2011, 04:58 PM
johnelway
"If decisions were made based on one week, I’d have been outta here after my first start!"


This was in support of Orton, you know the guy who has won less games than Tebow this year....


Just sayin

Taco John
11-07-2011, 04:59 PM
It blows my mind that anybody is surprised that moving to Quinn was an option. It's not like they've kept it secret that they were disappointed in how Tebow looked last week.

Jay3
11-07-2011, 05:00 PM
Elway the player has..Elway the front office guy not so much.


Lets not confuse the two Elway the player was great. Elway the front office guy is a fumbling, bumbling fool. I was afraid of this happening that one of my all time favorite Broncos would tarnish himself running something he has no business running.

I do get tired of all the folks swarming to Elway's defense, if they're doing so on the basis of his achievements on the field.

Michael Jordan is running the Bobcats (nearest team to me), and we're having a fabulous time making fun of his ability to run a franchise.

It's pretty much the exception to the rule when a former legend takes a front office job and does well. Elway is entitled to a chance to do the job, but he's not entitled to automatically be deemed competent. Just ask Jordan, Isaiah Thomas, Dan Marino, etc.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Elway is behind Tebow. I realize you guys don't get local coverage, but John likes Tebow. John thinks Tebow needs to get better as a QB and he's right.

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:06 PM
I do get tired of all the folks swarming to Elway's defense, if they're doing so on the basis of his achievements on the field.

Michael Jordan is running the Bobcats (nearest team to me), and we're having a fabulous time making fun of his ability to run a franchise.

It's pretty much the exception to the rule when a former legend takes a front office job and does well. Elway is entitled to a chance to do the job, but he's not entitled to automatically be deemed competent. Just ask Jordan, Isaiah Thomas, Dan Marino, etc.


This is fine except that I can't find anything of substance than anyone has been able to attack Elway the Front Office guy over except the vacuous claim of "not being qualified." It works both ways.

Meanwhile, Elway has actually made some very solid moves.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Elway is certainly qualified to run this FO.

MacGruder
11-07-2011, 05:08 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

One thing to keep in mind though is that it may be that Elway thinks he is protecting Tebow by not playing him.

I don't know if I buy it though because it seems like they do a lot to undermine him publicly.

Maybe the Broncos brass means well but they just aren't that bright in all aspects - evaluating Tebow, managing the media and making a game plan for Tebow.

fontaine
11-07-2011, 05:08 PM
I do get tired of all the folks swarming to Elway's defense, if they're doing so on the basis of his achievements on the field.

No it's not.

Elway doesn't make decisions about who starts, who doesn't. He's said that numerous times and made it clear that's on Fox and the coaching staff.

For Elway to publicly, live on air declare Tebow to be the starter for all of the season when Fox only last week said Tebow is the starter for now would be like publicly castrating your head coach.

Can anyone imagine Goodman or anyone else in the FO declaring a player to be the unquestioned starter when Shanahan was the head coach, especially when the player was struggling and Shanahan hadn't made that decision public yet himself?

Hell no.

Why the double standard for Fox/Elway?

TailgateNut
11-07-2011, 05:09 PM
Elway is one of my all-time Bronco heroes, but the guy clearly has zero business sense. And running the Front Office of an NFL franchise is a business, plain and simple.

Elway's track record in business is, for the most part, a failure. He sold his string of successful car dealerships to Wayne Huizenga for millions, received stock in return, sat on the stock as the share price plunged, and was left with pennies on the dollar at the end of the day. He also lost millions on MVP.com and on the arena football league. Since selling his car dealerships, I can't think of a single successful business venture that Elway's been involved with.

I don't think Elway or Fox ever intended to give Tebow an honest shake. Their fear was that Orton would be able to eek out a near .500 record, putting them out of the Andrew Luck bowl. With Tebow at the helm, they hoped that the Broncos would tank. But that hasn't happened, and now Elway's worried that his chance to vicariously re-live his career through Luck is slipping away.


You make John sound like Bush Jr.. WOW! No wonder I and many others are, or have distanced ourselves from this board. It began with the Jay saga, then the McD days, and then if that wasn't enough to make a person want to kick something, it's TimmyTime. **** Me. Polarized doesn't even touch this SUBJECT.

Oh well, I'll be happy with the outcome of yesterdays' game, and move on.

Play2win
11-07-2011, 05:09 PM
If you didn't live along the Front Range during the Elway years, you have no idea how much he meant to Denver and the surrounding areas.

TheReverend
11-07-2011, 05:10 PM
No wonder I and many others are, or have distanced ourselves from this board

You're really showing us. We miss out on SO much.

TailgateNut
11-07-2011, 05:10 PM
One more thing: IMO, John REALLY wasn't going gaga over the job offer/ marketing ploy!

TailgateNut
11-07-2011, 05:14 PM
You're really showing us. We miss out on SO much.


What-ever dickhead. You are one of the many "self proclaimed know-it-alls" who makes this place so enjoyable. Allow me to put you in a group with BF7, Jhizz, Oabb, Lex, GoBroncos, and ............Assholes-24/7/365.

Smilin Assassin
11-07-2011, 05:15 PM
You're nothing but a projector.


"And I would have gotten away with it, if not for you meddling kids.."

Dedhed
11-07-2011, 05:17 PM
It means that Elway has earned the benefit of the doubt. Tebow? Not so much.

Elway hasn't earned anything as a FO guy.

gunns
11-07-2011, 05:19 PM
care to post with proper grammar?

Yeah, I'm calling out John Elway, because he's now in a suit and no longer in a jersey... the fact that you even have this thought process is mind boggling.

So, since John Elway went to 5 super bowls, won 2, he can get a pass to just use the organization as an experiment business venture?

:rofl:

**** you and your grammar. I'd prefer to read poor grammar than poor posts.

I think what he was saying is that one man has earned respect, done more for this organization than anyone else and has said things that you interpret one way and think it's the only way. The other man hasn't earned that yet. You freak out because he hasn't been given the time. You also state look at his stats for 5 games as proof he's our QB of the future. Which is it? Yet Elway's been on the job for what, 9 months, and you call him out.

Yeah the coach he hired is conservative but I don't believe Elway wanted to chance a new guy, like Rodriguez, the way we did McDaniels. I thought the game plan yesterday by the coach was great, run against the 29th ranked run defense and it worked with the help of Tebow. Elway took the safe route because the team was in such disarray, it had to be the focal point. He's provided the best draft this team has had in many years and has a team that was basically destroyed showing improvement. And because he says Tebow is a great guy but he's not a QB yet, your little feelers get all hurt.

Yeah I think I'm going to believe the guy who probably knows more than me and you about the position....and from what I've seen. I'm going to give my respect to the man who has earned it and I know loves the Broncos and wants only the best for them AND has done a good job with what he walked into. I'll also give it to Tebow, for what he earns, his work ethic and desire and so far it's as a RB.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:22 PM
Elway hasn't earned anything as a FO guy.

I disagree, while not Scott Poli, he's had a good draft and has a team that improves weekly and he's keeping decent attendance levels and he's not getting involved coaching decisions. He's a winner everywhere he goes. Get on board.

TheReverend
11-07-2011, 05:22 PM
What-ever dickhead. You are one of the many "self proclaimed know-it-alls" who makes this place so enjoyable. Allow me to put you in a group with BF7, Jhizz, Oabb, Lex, GoBroncos, and ............a-holes-24/7/365.

"If you don't love McDaniels you're not a fan and I will fight you"

"If we draft Tebow I'm selling my van"

"I wish I would've shot those cops"

"**** everyone that likes Tebow"

"I'm closing my tailgate like a baby because of Tebow"

Mirror called... he wants you to look in it.

MacGruder
11-07-2011, 05:25 PM
This is fine except that I can't find anything of substance than anyone has been able to attack Elway the Front Office guy over except the vacuous claim of "not being qualified." It works both ways.

Meanwhile, Elway has actually made some very solid moves.

How about that it seems no one in the organization is taking accountability for decisions now? It's the complete opposite of when McD was there.

Decisions by committee does not usually lead to success.

TheReverend
11-07-2011, 05:26 PM
How about that it seems no one in the organization is taking accountability for decisions now? It's the complete opposite of when McD was there.

Decisions by committee does not usually lead to success.

What?

It's the SAME as when McDaniels was here... "We all work together and have a great working relationship"

gunns
11-07-2011, 05:30 PM
It's not about hate.

Matt Millen has 4 rings. Didn't mean squat in the front office. Elway has just as much to prove in his new role as Tebow does.

Matt Millen also hadn't played for the Lions for 16 years, taking them to 5 SB's.

baja
11-07-2011, 05:32 PM
You're really showing us. We miss out on SO much.

You love to throw that we word around like you speak for the board.

all you have done is driven off a lot of great people who enjoyed talking Broncos football together.

So far to day you have spumed your poison hate on Sassy, Blue, Popps and TGN. Not a bad afternoons work if you are going for the board ass hole award.

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 05:33 PM
I have never seen anything like the way Elway and Fox handle this whole Tebow thing. It's one thing to be "transparent" and talk truthfully about Tim needing to work on aspects of his game (because he does) - but it's almost like they treat him playing like a big joke and that really rubs me the wrong way as a fan of the team. It's ok to be just a little cliche to the media in supporting your team and players... but all I see is smug, holier than thou attitudes from Elway and Fox.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
**** you and your grammar. I'd prefer to read poor grammar than poor posts.

I think what he was saying is that one man has earned respect, done more for this organization than anyone else and has said things that you interpret one way and think it's the only way. The other man hasn't earned that yet. You freak out because he hasn't been given the time. You also state look at his stats for 5 games as proof he's our QB of the future. Which is it? Yet Elway's been on the job for what, 9 months, and you call him out.


No, I follow the rest of the NFL. I keep up with 15-17 other teams in the NFL very closely. As for the rest, I have general knowledge about them.

This is why I call out John Elway.

Elway's main job is to put together a winning football team. Not standing behind the face of your franchise is beyond pathetic. This isn't about learning, this isn't about making mistakes in hirings, roster moves, etc...this is about believing in your players. That is why I call him out after 9 months.

People will say, well Tebow has to do something in order for us to believe in him...

Yet you are the same people that suggest trading 3 1st round picks for Andrew Luck who has proven NOTHING on an elite level.

Yes, Tebow is the current face of the Denver Broncos organization, but Elway doesn't want to stand behind him.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:36 PM
Matt Millen also hadn't played for the Lions for 16 years, taking them to 5 SB's.

This is directed at the poster you quoted.

WtHeck does Millen have to do with it? They were both players? That's it. The comparisons are mutually exclusive after that. Elway has run a championship AFL team. That called job experience. Call it entry level.

Will he makes mistakes? Absolutely.

This is what I know about Elway, he learns from those mistakes. That's why he's successful in everything he does.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 05:36 PM
I have never seen anything like the way Elway and Fox handle this whole Tebow thing. It's one thing to be "transparent" and talk truthfully about Tim needing to work on aspects of his game (because he does) - but it's almost like they treat him playing like a big joke and that really rubs me the wrong way as a fan of the team. It's ok to be just a little cliche to the media in supporting your team and players... but all I see is smug, holier than thou attitudes from Elway and Fox.

Yup... no other organization in the league would ever do this **** from a week to week basis. No winning organization does this, NONE.

This is the only time in the NFL where you have the FO and coaches talking about, we'll see how he performs this week, to see if he deserves to play next week... considering he doesn't even have HALF a season under his belt...

It's completely pathetic... how do you really expect a damn near rookie QB to perform when he's being told, hey man, even tho we've given you the ****tiest coaches in the world, along with an oline that can't buy you 2 seconds in the pocket, you better perform well, or you're getting pulled.

:rofl:

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:37 PM
How about that it seems no one in the organization is taking accountability for decisions now? It's the complete opposite of when McD was there.

Decisions by committee does not usually lead to success.

This is exactly the vacuous kind of stuff I'm talking about. It means nothing.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Preach

GB2


**** you and your grammar. I'd prefer to read poor grammar than poor posts.

I think what he was saying is that one man has earned respect, done more for this organization than anyone else and has said things that you interpret one way and think it's the only way. The other man hasn't earned that yet. You freak out because he hasn't been given the time. You also state look at his stats for 5 games as proof he's our QB of the future. Which is it? Yet Elway's been on the job for what, 9 months, and you call him out.

Yeah the coach he hired is conservative but I don't believe Elway wanted to chance a new guy, like Rodriguez, the way we did McDaniels. I thought the game plan yesterday by the coach was great, run against the 29th ranked run defense and it worked with the help of Tebow. Elway took the safe route because the team was in such disarray, it had to be the focal point. He's provided the best draft this team has had in many years and has a team that was basically destroyed showing improvement. And because he says Tebow is a great guy but he's not a QB yet, your little feelers get all hurt.

Yeah I think I'm going to believe the guy who probably knows more than me and you about the position....and from what I've seen. I'm going to give my respect to the man who has earned it and I know loves the Broncos and wants only the best for them AND has done a good job with what he walked into. I'll also give it to Tebow, for what he earns, his work ethic and desire and so far it's as a RB.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
This is exactly the vacuous kind of stuff I'm talking about. It means nothing.

check your pms.

elsid13
11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
How about that it seems no one in the organization is taking accountability for decisions now? It's the complete opposite of when McD was there.

Decisions by committee does not usually lead to success.

Are you talking about the same head coach that threw all his assistant and player under the bus with Bowlen? The one that refused to accept responsibility for the video taping incident?

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Yup... no other organization in the league would ever do this **** from a week to week basis. No winning organization does this, NONE.

This is the only time in the NFL where you have the FO and coaches talking about, we'll see how he performs this week, to see if he deserves to play next week... considering he doesn't even have HALF a season under his belt...

It's completely pathetic...


This is year one after they were handed a plate of crap from your hero Josh McDaniels. This isn't a winning team right now. This is a team trying to figure out what they have. You want them to be committed to Tim Tebow? Well guess what? They're not. He's not their guy. He's interviewing for the job right now. Whether you like it or not, that's the situation that Josh McDaniel's put this team in.

It's pretty hilarious to see you here talking about what winning teams do, when your guy Josh didn't do any of it. This is his mess that Elway and Fox are cleaning up. Hiding behind a new username doesn't change the fact that you cheerleaded the effort to run this team into the ground, and now are demanding that the cleanup crew get it done RIGHT NOW.

Gimme a break...

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 05:43 PM
This is year one after they were handed a plate of crap from your hero Josh McDaniels. This isn't a winning team right now. This is a team trying to figure out what they have. You want them to be committed to Tim Tebow? Well guess what? They're not. He's not their guy. He's interviewing for the job right now. Whether you like it or not, that's the situation that Josh McDaniel's put this team in.

It's pretty hilarious to see you here talking about what winning teams do, when your guy Josh didn't do any of it. This is his mess that Elway and Fox are cleaning up. Hiding behind a new username doesn't change the fact that you cheerleaded the effort to run this team into the ground, and now are demanding that the cleanup crew get it done RIGHT NOW.

Gimme a break...

It's fine if they aren't sold on Tebow yet, but as a professional front office that is the kind of sh*t you keep behind closed doors. It comes off as very amateur to my eyes and ears.

Archer81
11-07-2011, 05:44 PM
This is year one after they were handed a plate of crap from Pat Bowlen. This isn't a winning team right now. This is a team trying to figure out what they have. You want them to be committed to Tim Tebow? Well guess what? They're not. He's not their guy. He's interviewing for the job right now. Whether you like it or not, that's the situation that Pat Bowlen put this team in.

It's pretty hilarious to see you here talking about what winning teams do, when your guy Pat didn't do any of it. This is his mess that Elway and Fox are cleaning up. Hiding behind a new username doesn't change the fact that you cheerleaded the effort to run this team into the ground, and now are demanding that the cleanup crew get it done RIGHT NOW.

Gimme a break...


FIFY.

I am not excusing McDaniels, btw. Just stating a fact. Someone hired him, paid him and gave him authority to do the things he did.

Just saying.

:Broncos:

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:45 PM
Not standing behind the face of your franchise is beyond pathetic.




We don't have a "face of our franchise." We have someone putting in an application for the role.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:45 PM
It's fine if they aren't sold on Tebow yet, but as a professional front office that is the kind of sh*t you keep behind closed doors. It comes off as very amateur to my eyes and ears.

That idea exists on the 8 inch space between your ears. I like it. I think it's awesome. They aren't dealing with a fragile egg.

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 05:45 PM
... especially when said player is your starting freaking QB who took this plate of crap MCD left us with and is 3-3 and only going to improve.

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 05:48 PM
That idea exists on the 8 inch space between your ears. I like it. I think it's awesome. They aren't dealing with a fragile egg.

and with every other professional team in sports. Jacka**

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:48 PM
It's fine if they aren't sold on Tebow yet, but as a professional front office that is the kind of sh*t you keep behind closed doors. It comes off as very amateur to my eyes and ears.

You'd have to give specifics, because as far as I've seen, the Broncos front office has been very diplomatic about this situation. It's the fans backing Tebow who have been undiplomatic. They are a demanding lot. And when things don't go their way, they throw tantrums and start attacking people's character...

tsiguy96
11-07-2011, 05:49 PM
definitely agree john needs to show some level of public support beyond "we hope he gets better but there are other options if he doesnt"

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 05:51 PM
Go watch a Fox presser. He's smug. It's annoying. It's like our starting QB is a joke to him. Well he is the one who put him there! If it's all a big joke to them pull the freaking plug on it and move on. I am tired of our team being a damn circus act and tired of the fans who act just as smug and arrogant.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 05:53 PM
We don't have a "face of our franchise." We have someone putting in an application for the role.

Tim Tebow is currently the face of the Denver Broncos franchise... whether you like it or not. Week in, week out, it's about Tim Tebow to the WORLD.

And sorry, but if you think McDaniels put the team int his mess, you're horribly wrong. Shanahan tipped the rock, McDaniels couldn't stop it.

Josh McDaniels was doing what he could to to win, and it was known that this franchise was going through a rebuild mode. If that meant going through a season with 4-5 wins, then that's what it is, but no one wanted to accept that.

I already said, it was a mistake giving him GM powers to begin with, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

I know you love to stick everything on McDaniels, but your God Mike Shanahan started this mess and your Lord and Savior John Elway isn't doing a much better job than what we had before...

Ty Warren.

:rofl:

MacGruder
11-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Are you talking about the same head coach that threw all his assistant and player under the bus with Bowlen? The one that refused to accept responsibility for the video taping incident?

I think you have a situation of someone put in a position to take accountability but that wasn't prepared for it.

Two wrongs don't make a right... McD sucking doesn't mean Elway isn't just as incompetent.. if not even more so.

McD was at least hip to the cutting edge of NFL coaching. Elway and Fox are dinosaurs. Not even good dinosaurs because their style doesn't translate to Tebow's even more retro yet modern style.

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:53 PM
FIFY.

I am not excusing McDaniels, btw. Just stating a fact. Someone hired him, paid him and gave him authority to do the things he did.

Just saying.

:Broncos:


I'll be the first to agree with you that Pat Bowlen owns this mess. But Pat trusted Josh, and Josh destroyed him for it. And people in here trashing on Elway who were also big supporters of Josh don't deserve to distance themselves from their support of the tearing down of this franchise. For someone to be a cheerleader of Josh, demanding that we all just need to be patient, and then turn around and be the biggest impatient piss ant on this board when it comes to Elway and Fox trying to clean up this mess - that takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance.

Jetmeck
11-07-2011, 05:54 PM
Really...how about when tebow quits being so consistently inconsistent?

Like it or not the NFL is a performance based league....do your job and you'll be able to keep for awhile until you can't, or someone else can do it better.

Six games...............would the shortest stint for any first round QB in NFL history unless one died I don't know about and if Tebow was or will be pulled this quick it would show a lack of understanding by Elway when he himself was lousy to begin with.

WHAT PART OF THIS IS HARD FOR SOME OF YOU STUPID PEOPLE ????[/COLOR]

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 05:54 PM
You would never know we just beat a good Raiders team that has absolutely owned us lately in their house by the attitudes I see from some "fans" and our front office.

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:56 PM
Tim Tebow is currently the face of the Denver Broncos franchise... whether you like it or not. Week in, week out, it's about Tim Tebow to the WORLD.

Fine. But it means nothing until he owns the job. He doesn't own the job. He's just putting in an application.

I want to see him win it. I don't want to use a bunch of draft picks on a quarterback. But I'm not going to pretend that it's a done deal. I'm not the one who has to risk my NFL career on the kid.

TailgateNut
11-07-2011, 05:56 PM
"If you don't love McDaniels you're not a fan and I will fight you"

"If we draft Tebow I'm selling my van"

"I wish I would've shot those cops"

"**** everyone that likes Tebow"

"I'm closing my tailgate like a baby because of Tebow"

Mirror called... he wants you to look in it.


Wonderful quotes. Like I said: Total DoucheBag. Just another Marine who was brainwashed to BELIEVE he is always the best!:rofl:

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:57 PM
No, I follow the rest of the NFL. I keep up with 15-17 other teams in the NFL very closely. As for the rest, I have general knowledge about them.

This is why I call out John Elway.

Elway's main job is to put together a winning football team. Not standing behind the face of your franchise is beyond pathetic. This isn't about learning, this isn't about making mistakes in hirings, roster moves, etc...this is about believing in your players. That is why I call him out after 9 months.

People will say, well Tebow has to do something in order for us to believe in him...

Yet you are the same people that suggest trading 3 1st round picks for Andrew Luck who has proven NOTHING on an elite level.

Yes, Tebow is the current face of the Denver Broncos organization, but Elway doesn't want to stand behind him.

Tebow isn't the face of the franchise. No one is. If anyone is right now, its John Elway. Tim can be there, and if he wins in Arrowhead that's just another step up.

Que
11-07-2011, 05:57 PM
There are a lot of parallels between Elway's season and Tebow's season IMHO. Both are essentially raw rooks in their current positions who reached the pinnacle of their prior roles. Both are prone to making boneheaded mistakes and the jury is still out as to whether either will enjoy any success in their current roles.

The one thing I will say about Elway though, he's coming across as a guy who talks a lot. While that might be good for a QB or even a coach, not so sure it is good for The Guy in the front office. Time will tell...

EDIT: and again to remind everyone - I worship Elway as a player. I've gone on record as saying that I would gladly give him one of my kidneys, two if he autographed the scar...

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 05:58 PM
If you can sit here and defend John Fox and Elway not showing support for Tim Tebow, you should just label yourself as a Elway dickrider under your username. You have his balls shoved so far down your throat for what he did in a jersey over a decade+ ago, it's clouding your vision of what's relevant now.

There is no way, in hell, there is ANY other team in the NFL would EVER show the NON-support Tebow is getting right now.

Let me ask you something, when Orton was QB, how much public support did he get?

Orton: "He's our starting QB." ...Tebow "week to week basis"
Orton: "He won the job." ... Tebow "we had to make a change"
Orton: "He gives us the best chance to win." Tebow.."he has to get better"
Orton: "We all have to play better"...Tebow "He would have been pulled had he played bad"
Orton record for 2011: 1 - 4
Tebow wins for 2011: 2 -1

But yeah, let's not even give Tebow the same amount of respect, curtesy, or support as we did Orton.

Ya'll are sad.

tsiguy96
11-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Six games...............would the shortest stint for any first round QB in NFL history unless one died I don't know about and if Tebow was or will be pulled this quick it would show a lack of understanding by Elway when he himself was lousy to begin with.

WHAT PART OF THIS IS HARD FOR SOME OF YOU STUPID PEOPLE ????[/COLOR]

definitely agree. jamarcus got what, 2 full seasons? he was terrible for nearly all of it. even guys like brodie croyle etc got multiple games to see if they could play. yet they want to pull the plug on a guy like tebow after just a few games? its just weird.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
I'll be the first to agree with you that Pat Bowlen owns this mess. But Pat trusted Josh, and Josh destroyed him for it. And people in here trashing on Elway who were also big supporters of Josh don't deserve to distance themselves from their support of the tearing down of this franchise. For someone to be a cheerleader of Josh, demanding that we all just need to be patient, and then turn around and be the biggest impatient piss ant on this board when it comes to Elway and Fox trying to clean up this mess - that takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance.

Pat also told Josh to trade Cutler, but he never wanted this go mainstream, so he just thanked Josh for it privately instead.

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
The current regime has no ties to Teboz, and it shows.

If he does well, he's a more tradeable asset and puts fans in the seats for the last 8 games. Noone in their right mind wants to see Orton or Quinn.

If he does bad, it improves the natural positioning for Luck.

Either way, I think he's gone next year in a package to move up to #1.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
You would never know we just beat a good Raiders team that has absolutely owned us lately in their house by the attitudes I see from some "fans" and our front office.

He, Tebow, is getting it done. It'll come if this keeps
up.

gunns
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
No, I follow the rest of the NFL. I keep up with 15-17 other teams in the NFL very closely. As for the rest, I have general knowledge about them.

This is why I call out John Elway.



What? I have no idea what this is referring to or about but good for you.

Elway's main job is to put together a winning football team. Not standing behind the face of your franchise is beyond pathetic. This isn't about learning, this isn't about making mistakes in hirings, roster moves, etc...this is about believing in your players. That is why I call him out after 9 months.



Uh, we won yesterday and two weeks ago. It's what we've all wanted. But oh, those were all Tebows doing. Had nothing to do with the team that is being put together. This looks like a very good team compared with the one that played games such as Oakland last year. All hail Tebow for that. Please.

People will say, well Tebow has to do something in order for us to believe in him...



I think so. Call me old fashioned but I prefer my quarterbacks to be proficient from the pocket and then bootleg or run on occassion. Playing as a QB for 5 minutes of a game against the worst team and being a RB against the 29th worst run defense hasn't quite convinced me. While I love the wins, it was a team effort in both games, and I'm looking to the future.

Yet you are the same people that suggest trading 3 1st round picks for Andrew Luck who has proven NOTHING on an elite level.

Yes, Tebow is the current face of the Denver Broncos organization, but Elway doesn't want to stand behind him

Find what I said about giving up 3 1st rounders for Luck and find out you're terribly wrong. Tebow is the current QB and Elway doesn't think he's there yet and he isn't. Maybe he will be someday, but I don't believe, I don't think Elway believes, we have the time to wait for that. It's not like we're the Packers and he has someone to learn from or we have off seasons to work with him and we can still contend for the prize. I don't want to be the Bengals. Almost there but never there. It's unfortunate, I do like the guy, like Elway does, but in another position.

Taco John
11-07-2011, 05:59 PM
definitely agree john needs to show some level of public support beyond "we hope he gets better but there are other options if he doesnt"

Why?

What's the point of misleading the fans - or Tebow himself? They've made it clear that this is an evaluation, no? They said it from the very beginning that they're going to be evaluating players on this team all season long. What would be the point of publicly showing support and leading people on with the idea that they're committing to the guy? Why wouldn't they say that they are taking this game by game?

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 06:00 PM
There are a lot of parallels between Elway's season and Tebow's season IMHO. Both are essentially raw rooks in their current positions who reached the pinnacle of their prior roles. Both are prone to making boneheaded mistakes and the jury is still out as to whether either will enjoy any success in their current roles.

The one thing I will say about Elway though, he's coming across as a guy who talks a lot. While that might be good for a QB or even a coach, not so sure it is good for The Guy in the front office. Time will tell...

Tebow actually doesn't make many bone headed mistakes for how young and raw he is and thats something he doesn't get alot of credit for. He some ugly balls from time to time and gets destroyed for it, but he takes pretty good care of the ball.

Archer81
11-07-2011, 06:00 PM
I'll be the first to agree with you that Pat Bowlen owns this mess. But Pat trusted Josh, and Josh destroyed him for it. And people in here trashing on Elway who were also big supporters of Josh don't deserve to distance themselves from their support of the tearing down of this franchise. For someone to be a cheerleader of Josh, demanding that we all just need to be patient, and then turn around and be the biggest impatient piss ant on this board when it comes to Elway and Fox trying to clean up this mess - that takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance.


It did not take a single season to become the basket of special the team has been lately. Long decline, followed by inept management. Elway and Fox do have a steep hill to climb. But if Tebow continues to show improvement after every game and the team manages to win, it would make Elway's job alot easier to aknowledge that the kid is part of the team's long term plans. It brings the fanbase on and actually buys them a bit of a bigger net.

The bolded is interesting. Some people like to complain. They dont like losing. They dont like the current management. They dont like the current roster. So they act like whiny bags of bitchtits. Its what they do, and should generally be mocked in accordance with tradition.

:Broncos:

El Ju
11-07-2011, 06:01 PM
Maybe Elway has had more of an active role with the Broncos than he's ever had with any automobile dealership or restaurant. Still, I'm willing to give the guy a break. He's probably nursing a hell of a hangover most days.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 06:04 PM
definitely agree john needs to show some level of public support beyond "we hope he gets better but there are other options if he doesnt"

No he doesn't. Tebow isn't the man yet. And I see no reason why he should fawn all over Tebow in the media.

Armchair Bronco
11-07-2011, 06:04 PM
For the record, I blame Bowlen for most of this mess.

He hung on to Shannyham way too long, then was forced to fire him after mediocrity became enshrined in Broncodom.

Then, he screwed the pooch by bringing in McD and handing this Stalinist the keys to the house. Only a moron would have given such a young and unproven Head Coach so much power.

Then, after watching McStalin implode the team, he fired him and brought in Elway who had no Front Office experience, either. Is it any surprise that Elway's hand-picked HC was the most conservative candidate available who had just chalked up a stellar 2-14 season? No, it was perfectly predictable.

So we've gone from an innovative coach to a coach who became mediocre and stale, to a Stalinst dictator who destroyed the franchise in under 2 years, to a new VP with ZERO front office experience who then hires arguably the most conservative head coach of the last last decade with a laughable 2-14 record to his credit.

And Pat Bowlen let all of this happen.

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 06:07 PM
No he doesn't. Tebow isn't the man yet. And I see no reason why he should fawn all over Tebow in the media.

He doesn't have to "fawn" over him but I found the "we were gonna pull him if he plays bad this week" quote pretty classless.

MacGruder
11-07-2011, 06:08 PM
You would never know we just beat a good Raiders team that has absolutely owned us lately in their house by the attitudes I see from some "fans" and our front office.

I see the same attitude from the media as I do the front office and fans. They don't want to admit that they were wrong and that Tebow gives the team a much better chance to win than Orton.

Taco John
11-07-2011, 06:09 PM
He doesn't have to "fawn" over him but I found the "we were gonna pull him if he plays bad this week" quote pretty classless.

What's classless about it? These kind of mind games go on all the time in professional sports.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Tebow has basically shown nothing that makes you think he could ever win a championship so you can't really blame Elway.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 06:15 PM
He doesn't have to "fawn" over him but I found the "we were gonna pull him if he plays bad this week" quote pretty classless.

I don't unless it's a lie. It's truthful. Everybody knows where everybody stands. Its refreshing.

DBroncos4life
11-07-2011, 06:15 PM
Tebow has basically shown nothing that makes you think he could ever win a championship so you can't really blame Elway.

And if there is one thing a KC football fan knows a thing or two about it's what it takes to be a champion!!!

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 06:16 PM
Tebow has basically shown nothing that makes you think he could ever win a championship so you can't really blame Elway.

lol...

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 06:18 PM
Elway has front office experience. Good grief.For the record, I blame Bowlen for most of this mess.

He hung on to Shannyham way too long, then was forced to fire him after mediocrity became enshrined in Broncodom.

Then, he screwed the pooch by bringing in McD and handing this Stalinist the keys to the house. Only a moron would have given such a young and unproven Head Coach so much power.

Then, after watching McStalin implode the team, he fired him and brought in Elway who had no Front Office experience, either. Is it any surprise that Elway's hand-picked HC was the most conservative candidate available who had just chalked up a stellar 2-14 season? No, it was perfectly predictable.

So we've gone from an innovative coach to a coach who became mediocre and stale, to a Stalinst dictator who destroyed the franchise in under 2 years, to a new VP with ZERO front office experience who then hires arguably the most conservative head coach of the last last decade with a laughable 2-14 record to his credit.

And Pat Bowlen let all of this happen.

baja
11-07-2011, 06:19 PM
For the record, I blame Bowlen for most of this mess.

He hung on to Shannyham way too long, then was forced to fire him after mediocrity became enshrined in Broncodom.

Then, he screwed the pooch by bringing in McD and handing this Stalinist the keys to the house. Only a moron would have given such a young and unproven Head Coach so much power.

Then, after watching McStalin implode the team, he fired him and brought in Elway who had no Front Office experience, either. Is it any surprise that Elway's hand-picked HC was the most conservative candidate available who had just chalked up a stellar 2-14 season? No, it was perfectly predictable.

So we've gone from an innovative coach to a coach who became mediocre and stale, to a Stalinst dictator who destroyed the franchise in under 2 years, to a new VP with ZERO front office experience who then hires arguably the most conservative head coach of the last last decade with a laughable 2-14 record to his credit.

And Pat Bowlen let all of this happen.

The bad news is I can't argue with your bottom line and when as a fan you got owner problems you got yourself a real problem.

Que
11-07-2011, 06:21 PM
Tebow has basically shown nothing that makes you think he could ever win a championship so you can't really blame Elway.

Let's see Bob...

Comeback Completion Percentage: 50%

How you guys doing in that regard?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2011, 06:29 PM
Comeback completion percentage?

ROFL!

Did you just make that statistic up?

C'mon guys....you don't win **** with QBs who run for 100 yards a game.

Tebow will need to show he can be an effective passer or all this other stuff is just regular season masturbation.

Requiem
11-07-2011, 06:31 PM
Hey Bob. I won a bunch of money betting on the Dolphins yesterday. Thanks dude! Your team sucks!

Hamrob
11-07-2011, 06:39 PM
Elway is one of my all-time Bronco heroes, but the guy clearly has zero business sense. And running the Front Office of an NFL franchise is a business, plain and simple.

Elway's track record in business is, for the most part, a failure. He sold his string of successful car dealerships to Wayne Huizenga for millions, received stock in return, sat on the stock as the share price plunged, and was left with pennies on the dollar at the end of the day. He also lost millions on MVP.com and on the arena football league. Since selling his car dealerships, I can't think of a single successful business venture that Elway's been involved with.

I don't think Elway or Fox ever intended to give Tebow an honest shake. Their fear was that Orton would be able to eek out a near .500 record, putting them out of the Andrew Luck bowl. With Tebow at the helm, they hoped that the Broncos would tank. But that hasn't happened, and now Elway's worried that his chance to vicariously re-live his career through Luck is slipping away.For all we know, the kick in the butt...just might be what motivates Tebow...and Elway/Fox might know that.

rmsanger
11-07-2011, 06:40 PM
Sorry you don't go against Elway and make it out alive as a Bronco fan!

Hamrob
11-07-2011, 06:41 PM
Personally, I'd like to see them provide a little bit more love publically as well.

Probably isn't going to happen...unless Tebow gets us into the playoffs somehow.

Shananahan
11-07-2011, 06:46 PM
This is the one thing that makes it so hard to accept Tebow on this team; The relentless drama.
No fuccing shiit. I have a bunch of responses for things said on the first few pages of threads like this and all of a sudden the thing is ten pages long and MacGruder is on autotroll for those who are still around. Everybody gets into this posting tizzy.

Still shouldn't make it hard to 'accept' Tebow on the team, though. I've always been somewhat ambivalent yet very hopeful on the guy, and everything I've seen indicates the dude is nothing if not team.

Powderaddict
11-07-2011, 06:47 PM
How can you see Tebow play as terribly as he did against Miami and Detroit and NOT say you have other options?

Elway needs to sell it to not just us, but the players in the locker room that they still want to win.

I'm really happy the Broncos beat Oakland. That was awesome. Tebow played well overall, but still looks very shaky as a passer. He did make progress, and bought himself at least a few more starts.

But I have no problems with what Elway said. He didn't say anything insulting, or demeaning. He has no obligation to name the starter for the rest of the season, let alone the next game.

He's a bigger Broncos fan than any of us, and wants to win. You cannot deny his desire to win. I doubt that has changed much, if at all. If he feels they can win with Tebow, they will move forward with him. If not, they will move on.

Shananahan
11-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Tebow has basically shown nothing that makes you think he could ever win a championship so you can't really blame Elway.
Got a prediction for next week's score yet?

Turd_Ferguson
11-07-2011, 07:00 PM
What's classless about it? These kind of mind games go on all the time in professional sports.

No kidding.. Elway would know.. Why dont you ask the Broncos that played for Dan Reeves how much pressure he put them under, or better yet just watch any of the Hard Knocks Series. The special teams coach from the Jets told a guy he would cut his F***ing A$s on the field if he screwed up again...

Is Elway suppose to come out and say, "Look we are rolling with Tebow no matter how bad he plays, or how bad we get beat. No matter what happens we are going to play this guy the rest of the year. I know this is a business, and we are paying Quinn, but under no circumstance will we let him play over Tebow. Even though they are both first round picks and young we will absolutely never consider anyone but Tebow."

Would that be enough support for the only player on our team that you guys care about?? Where are the Virgil Green supporters at? Why doesnt anyone beg and plead and make excuses for him to be on the field? Would any of you whine and cry if Elway were to say "We just arent seeing enough out of Virgil Green to get on the field, if he doesnt pick up his play he may be moved to the practice squad." I doubt it cause he isn't Tim Tebow so you dont give a sh*t about him.

sinuous sausage
11-07-2011, 07:02 PM
To argue that we should give Elway love as an FO gay based on his resume as a player and devotion to the franchise is a classic "appeal to emotion" argument. As are the accusations that anyone who thinks Elway has been flapping his gums a little too much is a de facto Tebow nutfluffer.

It's unprofessional: I'd be pissed if they were doing this to Neckbeard, and Lord knows I've been off that bandwagon for a dog's age.


They can chastise Tebow all they want behind closed doors but there is no need to give ammo to the media and haters who already pick the poor kid apart. A general can chew out a subordinate but ain't no way he should go air his grievances to the opposition.

Turd_Ferguson
11-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Comeback completion percentage?

ROFL!

Did you just make that statistic up?

C'mon guys....you don't win **** with QBs who run for 100 yards a game.

Tebow will need to show he can be an effective passer or all this other stuff is just regular season masturbation.

Go lose to the Dolphins fatty.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 07:05 PM
"Poor kid"? Like I said. He's not a fragile egg.

yerner
11-07-2011, 07:06 PM
Poor Tebow. Queers.

errand
11-07-2011, 07:07 PM
This is fine except that I can't find anything of substance than anyone has been able to attack Elway the Front Office guy over except the vacuous claim of "not being qualified." It works both ways.

Meanwhile, Elway has actually made some very solid moves.

So people are refusing to give John the FO guy (whose had his job for 8 games) a chance claiming he's not giving a QB (who's had 5 starts) a chance?

this team has already achieved 75%of it's entire win total from last year, and yet we got clowns in here bitching about the FO now....

Shananahan
11-07-2011, 07:07 PM
Is Elway suppose to come out and say, "Look we are rolling with Tebow no matter how bad he plays, or how bad we get beat. No matter what happens we are going to play this guy the rest of the year. I know this is a business, and we are paying Quinn, but under no circumstance will we let him play over Tebow. Even though they are both first round picks and young we will absolutely never consider anyone but Tebow."
Completely agree. You can't just broadcast that you're satisfied by whatever kind of performance happens because of the name on the jersey. If what we're talking about them not saying isn't the case, however, I'm going to have to assume they're all either retarded or just not even interested in the kid.

sinuous sausage
11-07-2011, 07:13 PM
Completely agree. You can't just broadcast that you're satisfied by whatever kind of performance happens because of the name on the jersey. If what we're talking about them not saying isn't the case, however, I'm going to have to assume they're all either retarded or just not even interested in the kid.

They could pull out the bogus "he looks good in practice" banalities they used for Neckbeard while he was leading the 5-36 (or whatever) charge he was on.

But Tim has a better record with the same squad and all they can muster up is essentially "that buys the first-round QB another week"? Ok.

sinuous sausage
11-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Poor Tebow. Queers.

I think gay bros would actually be hankering for Brady's sculpted physique and boyish looks over Tebow's

errand
11-07-2011, 07:20 PM
Elway's main job is to put together a winning football team.


We were 4-12 last season...and this season we have won 3 of our first 8....not the Packers, but not the Dolphins or Colts sans Manning either.

rome wasn't built in a day, and neither will this franchise...

Turd_Ferguson
11-07-2011, 07:23 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

So this D Bag changed his name? It was command like a king right?

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 07:35 PM
No kidding.. Elway would know.. Why dont you ask the Broncos that played for Dan Reeves how much pressure he put them under, or better yet just watch any of the Hard Knocks Series. The special teams coach from the Jets told a guy he would cut his ****ing A$s on the field if he screwed up again...

Is Elway suppose to come out and say, "Look we are rolling with Tebow no matter how bad he plays, or how bad we get beat. No matter what happens we are going to play this guy the rest of the year. I know this is a business, and we are paying Quinn, but under no circumstance will we let him play over Tebow. Even though they are both first round picks and young we will absolutely never consider anyone but Tebow."

Would that be enough support for the only player on our team that you guys care about?? Where are the Virgil Green supporters at? Why doesnt anyone beg and plead and make excuses for him to be on the field? Would any of you whine and cry if Elway were to say "We just arent seeing enough out of Virgil Green to get on the field, if he doesnt pick up his play he may be moved to the practice squad." I doubt it cause he isn't Tim Tebow so you dont give a sh*t about him.

30 year atheist tattooed metal head Bronco fan here so your implication that I am one of new breed of fans only here because of Tebow doesn't hold water. I love this whole team and have since I was 5 freaking years old. With that said, I still think Elway and Fox treat this whole Tebow thing like some big joke and I think ANY pro deserves more than that.

rbackfactory80
11-07-2011, 07:35 PM
Oh no, this dude is back.

I actually agree with the op in this case however.

Started 6 games and he is game to game. Not fair. Give him his shot without unnecessary pressure.

errand
11-07-2011, 07:37 PM
Six games...............would the shortest stint for any first round QB in NFL history unless one died I don't know about and if Tebow was or will be pulled this quick it would show a lack of understanding by Elway when he himself was lousy to begin with.

WHAT PART OF THIS IS HARD FOR SOME OF YOU STUPID PEOPLE ????[/COLOR]

...and elway's had his job for what? 8 games?

But he doesn't deserve the same patience you want everyone to have for an inconsistent QB?

baja
11-07-2011, 07:40 PM
30 year atheist tattooed metal head Bronco fan here so your implication that I am one of new breed of fans only here because of Tebow doesn't hold water. I love this whole team and have since I was 5 freaking years old. With that said, I still think Elway and Fox treat this whole Tebow thing like some big joke and I think ANY pro deserves more than that.

What does the admission you have desecrated your body have to do with it?

Jetmeck
11-07-2011, 07:50 PM
Comeback completion percentage?

ROFL!

Did you just make that statistic up?

C'mon guys....you don't win **** with QBs who run for 100 yards a game.

Tebow will need to show he can be an effective passer or all this other stuff is just regular season masturbation.

Heh Dickhead. Your worst nightmare is coming to town and I'll be there see your red and white clowns get beat down and run over by the above guy................

Jetmeck
11-07-2011, 07:52 PM
...and elway's had his job for what? 8 games?

But he doesn't deserve the same patience you want everyone to have for an inconsistent QB?

I have never said anything about a lack of patience, all you clueless Tebow haters have that market cornered !!!!

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 07:55 PM
What does the admission you have desecrated your body have to do with it?

Desecrated? Give me a fuc**ng break.

It was meant to draw a quick picture of me and show I'm not a damn bandwagon Broncos fan by way of Jesus or Gators like this clown was implying.

baja
11-07-2011, 08:00 PM
Comeback completion percentage?

ROFL!

Did you just make that statistic up?

C'mon guys....you don't win **** with QBs who run for 100 yards a game.

Tebow will need to show he can be an effective passer or all this other stuff is just regular season masturbation.

You are slipping badly Bob. You used to have three pages of responses by now but you got one poster to bite. One Bob. What has happened to you. Are you getting your load on again. I knew you didn't have what it takes to keep the weight off. Well there are worse things than being fat. Now see if you can get your trolling back up to your standard.

baja
11-07-2011, 08:03 PM
Desecrated? Give me a *****ng break.

It was meant to draw a quick picture of me and show I'm not a damn bandwagon Broncos fan by way of Jesus or Gators like this clown was implying.

God has warned about keeping the temple clean and here you have scribbled graffiti all over yourself.

BroncoDoom
11-07-2011, 08:07 PM
[QUOTE=baja;3363701]God has warned about keeping the temple clean and here you have scribbled graffiti all over yourself.[/QUOTE

F**K Jesus

Your a fan of a league of tatted dudes. Hypocrite.

Turd_Ferguson
11-07-2011, 08:08 PM
Desecrated? Give me a *****ng break.

It was meant to draw a quick picture of me and show I'm not a damn bandwagon Broncos fan by way of Jesus or Gators like this clown was implying.

Easy Dime Bag, no where in my post did i mention you, or bandwagon Broncos fans. I didnt know you existed a half hour ago. I didnt imply sh*t about you. I implied that a lot of people around here are becoming more in love with Tebow than the Broncos. Several people have posted if tebow gets benched they will not be fans any more. If you think you are in that category thats your problem not mine...

baja
11-07-2011, 08:11 PM
[QUOTE=baja;3363701]God has warned about keeping the temple clean and here you have scribbled graffiti all over yourself.[/QUOTE

**** Jesus

Your a fan of a league of tatted dudes. Hypocrite.

Yes but I am praying for each and every sinner. I pray for you too

bowtown
11-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Oh cry me a ****ing river.

Another over sensitive, hyper ventallitating thread about how Tebow isn't being treated like royalty.

Moreno, Carter, Miller etc all got benched or replaced at times and you didn't see drama queens venting about how Elway/Fox etc need to stand behind them, give them a hug and a public show of affection.

1. The entire offense has been changed to suit Tebow. Never mind the strengths/weakenesses of the OL, WRs, TEs etc, and how much time and effort the starters spent learning the Orton Offense. No Fox/Elway put Tebow first.

2. Nevermind that we had a pro bowl WR that could run every route and make routine circus catches. Lloyd wasn't 100% behind Tebow so what did Fox/Elway do? Before it could spread and cause a division in the locker room they traded the guy for next to nothing. Fox/Elway put Tebow ahead of Lloyd.

3. Nevermind that Orton was already making $9million, Fox and Elway decided to commit to Tebow by paying him starters type money this season when they could have easily traded him, cut him, renegotiated or whatever. They still put him first and eventually benched Orton.

Never mind all of that.

Your feelings are hurt because Elway is in the FO and has already said numerous times that coaching the team is on Fox and he's not going to interfere and is only explaining what Fox was doing instead of back stabbing the coach live on air by making Fox's decision for him and saying "I love Timmy no matter what."

Yeah, I'd love to hear what other coaches around the league think about a first time FO guy in Elway making a coach's decision and declaring Tebow to be the unquestioned starter. I bet the coaching staff would love that.

It's exactly the kind of douchebag, classless move that McDaniels would have made in exceeding his authority, but Elway being the classy, sensible guy that he is answered diplomatically and backed his coach and staff instead of making their decisions for them.

What a great thread.

^^^^^^^
x100

montrose
11-07-2011, 08:36 PM
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Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2011, 08:47 PM
Heh Dickhead. Your worst nightmare is coming to town and I'll be there see your red and white clowns get beat down and run over by the above guy................

:rofl:

Do you realize how silly you sound talking about your QB running over people? This isn't college.

The Chiefs have a brilliant LB by the name of Derrick Johnson who is perfect for spying Tebow. I doubt he has 50 rushing yards Sunday, let alone 100.

Even if he does, Tebow throwing against our corners is not a recipe for success. The picks will be flowing like wine.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 08:50 PM
:rofl:

Do you realize how silly you sound talking about your QB running over people? This isn't college.

The Chiefs have a brilliant LB by the name of Derrick Johnson who is perfect for spying Tebow. I doubt he has 50 rushing yards Sunday, let alone 100.

Even if he does, Tebow throwing against our corners is not a recipe for success. The picks will be flowing like wine.

Indeed they will. You guys are sure to win.

TheReverend
11-07-2011, 08:50 PM
:rofl:

Do you realize how silly you sound talking about your QB running over people? This isn't college.

The Chiefs have a brilliant LB by the name of Derrick Johnson who is perfect for spying Tebow. I doubt he has 50 rushing yards Sunday, let alone 100.

Even if he does, Tebow throwing against our corners is not a recipe for success. The picks will be flowing like wine.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2011, 08:56 PM
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Derrick Johnson is one of the best linebackers in the league. It was true last year, and he's even better this year. He's been lights out. He made five straight TD-saving tackles against the Raiders a few weeks ago. Absolute beast.

Read it and weep, Rev. Tebow's standing on the tracks, and a train's coming through.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2j2hhf7.jpg

TheReverend
11-07-2011, 08:57 PM
Derrick Johnson is one of the best linebackers in the league. It was true last year, and he's even better this year. He's been lights out. He made five straight TD-saving tackles against the Raiders a few weeks ago. Absolute beast.

Read it and weep, Rev. Tebow's standing on the tracks, and a train's coming through.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2j2hhf7.jpg

Haha more PFF, I presume?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2011, 08:59 PM
Chiefs LB Johnson having standout season
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4mtAKcuJaioKgC9m7LSRYyINEag?docId=9fc95c80b 6d9430cab918cab563706ad)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) Don't worry if big, powerful Derrick Johnson sees you stealing his parking space.

He'll probably just give you a "tsk-tsk" look and drive away.

If he sees you in an opposing uniform carrying a football, do worry. That's when Mr. Nice Guy becomes Mr. Nasty.

It's almost as though Kansas City's sixth-year linebacker, who is playing the best football of his life, has multiple personalities. Away from the game, he's a milquetoast, someone who's darn near impossible to upset.

"Derrick is nice and quiet off the field, a great guy," coach Todd Haley said.
But stick him in a football game and smiles turn to snarls as he channels his inner Dick Butkus.

"He cranks it up on Sunday," said Haley with a grin, adding, "I'm glad he does."

Haley and the Chiefs were never happier with their quick-hitting inside linebacker than last Sunday in Oakland when he played what may have been the best game of his career.

Not only did Johnson have 12 solo tackles, he also got credit for three of four stops in the key defensive series of the game, a second-quarter goalline stand while KC was protecting a 14-0 lead.

The secondary stole the show with six interceptions and cornerback Brandon Flowers was selected the AFC defensive player of the week. But Flowers insists he ought to share honors with Johnson.

"Man, he's having a stellar, stellar year, the best I've ever seen him play," Flowers said. "I said I have to share player of the week with him. He does all the dirty work. All the defensive backs and quarterbacks get all the glory, but Derrick Johnson has won a lot of games for us."

And off the field?

"Nicest guy you'll ever meet," Flowers said.

It's true, says Johnson. His Jekyll-and-Hyde personality even amazes himself.

"I'm so much of a humble guy off the field," he said. "That's just how I grew up. Everybody sees me as a real chilled guy. On the field, there's a switch that goes on. I get quick-tempered."

It's not that he makes an effort.

"It's natural," he said. "And I like that it's natural. Sometimes when you get into that (motivation) thing 'Man, I've got to do something to make myself get up,' that's not going to happen. I'm such a nice guy off the field, it's amazing how I can get on the field and have a quick temper. A crazy temper."

So off the field, he never gets mad at anything?

"I can't say that. But I have a control of myself off the field."

When Haley took over as head coach in 2009, Johnson was known as an underachiever, a first-round draft pick who'd never lived up to the billing that came with his winning the Butkus Award as the nation's best college linebacker.

The first year under Haley was the most miserable of his career. He hardly ever started.

But during training camp in 2010, he said he was a better player than he'd been, and went out and finally established himself as NFL linebacker to be reckoned with. He led the AFC West champs with 147 tackles. He had one game where he intercepted two passes and returned them for touchdowns.

But not even that eclipsed what he did Sunday in Oakland when the Chiefs, after an 0-3 start, evened their record at 3-3 and set up a Monday night showdown with San Diego that'll have first place in the AFC West on the line.

"Derrick's game was as good as I've seen him," Haley said. "A couple of plays he made were truly just monster plays in the game as far as keeping it, going the direction we wanted it to go. He was right in the middle of it so many times."

In practice, even Johnson's teammates were impressed with how he was doing.

"I heard players talking during practice last week. Derrick hit somebody on one of the days we were in pads and somebody said, 'He's a striker.' He can be cruising along and, 'Bam!' He has that ability to leverage and knock people around. some of those plays (against Oakland) were just phenomenal."

As long as he has football as an outlet, Derrick Johnson is not likely to get mad at anything.

"I like football because on the field, that temper can go off and it's great," he said.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2011, 09:00 PM
Derrick Johnson wins AFC defensive player of the week award
(http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/01/derrick-johnson-wins-afc-defensive-player-of-the-week-award/)

The Monday night instant classic between the Chargers and the Chiefs kicked off less than 24 hours ago. Already, the NFL has decided that Kansas City linebacker Derrick Johnson’s performance was the best AFC defensive effort of the weekend.

The Chiefs have announced that Johnson has been named the AFC defensive player of the week. Johnson, who has received the honor four times, had 16 tackles (15 solo), a sack, and an interception in the 23-20 overtime win.

During Kansas City’s current four-game winning streak, Johnson has racked up ten or more tackles in each game.

Jesterhole
11-07-2011, 09:18 PM
Basically my worst fear. My feelings towards Elway the GM are clouding my feelings towards Elway the player.

He needs to stop sucking, stop talking like he doesn't know what the hell he is doing, and do something, ANYTHING, slighty impressive as GM. Right now, I'd be happy if he got replaced by a real football front office person. Keep him around as a mascot or something. That's basically all he is now.

BroncoBeavis
11-07-2011, 09:48 PM
"If decisions were made based on one week, I’d have been outta here after my first start!"

That was Elway, after Orton's epic fail in his 30th or so start in a Broncos uniform.

Then when he has an actual green QB learning on the job in his first few starts, the best he can say is "He needs to get better"

The right tone to set would be like "We expect a young quarterback in this league to struggle a little bit. We're doing what we can to help Tim through the learning process"

Hanging the week-to-week Sword of Damocles over the kid's head serves no purpose unless you're hoping the kid fails.

I'm hoping Elway just hasn't thought it through, and that's all it is. If it comes out that he's trying to torpedo the kid, it just proves he's never going to build a successful NFL team.

Bronx33
11-07-2011, 09:54 PM
"If decisions were made based on one week, Id have been outta here after my first start!"

That was Elway, after Orton's epic fail in his 30th or so start in a Broncos uniform.

Then when he has an actual green QB learning on the job in his first few starts, the best he can say is "He needs to get better"

The right tone to set would be like "We expect a young quarterback in this league to struggle a little bit. We're doing what we can to help Tim through the learning process"

Hanging the week-to-week Sword of Damocles over the kid's head serves no purpose unless you're hoping the kid fails.

I'm hoping Elway just hasn't thought it through, and that's all it is. If it comes out that he's trying to torpedo the kid, it just proves he's never going to build a successful NFL team.


Great post which i agree with 98% elway is somewhat of a rookie at his new job as well so lets not forget that and i will also just wait and see with elway just like i am with tebow..

Turd_Ferguson
11-07-2011, 09:58 PM
:rofl:

Do you realize how silly you sound talking about your QB running over people? This isn't college.

The Chiefs have a brilliant LB by the name of Derrick Johnson who is perfect for spying Tebow. I doubt he has 50 rushing yards Sunday, let alone 100.

Even if he does, Tebow throwing against our corners is not a recipe for success. The picks will be flowing like wine.

Go Lose To The Dolphins Again Chubs

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 10:02 PM
Great post which i agree with 98% elway is somewhat of a rookie at his new job as well so lets not forget that and i will also just wait and see with elway just like i am with tebow..

Elway knows exactly whats going on. He was in the postion Tebow is in...and maybe...just maybe he knows exactly what Tim needs. The bottom line is to win.

bombay
11-07-2011, 10:04 PM
Elway isn't going to 'stand behind Tebow'. He has no belief in him. I'll accept Elway's judgment when it comes to QBs. It'll be good when Tebow is gone.

t-diddy
11-07-2011, 10:05 PM
Elway knows exactly whats going on. He was in the postion Tebow is in...and maybe...just maybe he knows exactly what Tim needs. The bottom line is to win.

This. I hope. Maybe they think the kid needs pressure to play well...

Bronx33
11-07-2011, 10:08 PM
Elway knows exactly whats going on. He was in the postion Tebow is in...and maybe...just maybe he knows exactly what Tim needs. The bottom line is to win.


Maybe he knows exactly what tim needs but the question still remains ( is tim staying long term) still alot of unknowns.

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2011, 10:10 PM
Maybe he knows exactly what tim needs but the question still remains ( is tim staying long term) still alot of unknowns.

Its clear. Right now they don't know if he is. When they know. We'll know.

Bronx33
11-07-2011, 10:11 PM
Its clear. Right now they don't know if he is. When they know. We'll know.

Will the draft give us that answer?

bowtown
11-07-2011, 10:14 PM
Will the draft give us that answer?

No, the rest of this year will.

MplsBronco
11-07-2011, 10:23 PM
We don't have a "face of our franchise." We have someone putting in an application for the role.

You are so friggen wishy washy. Pick a position and have the balls to stand behind it.

Jesterhole
11-07-2011, 10:28 PM
Elway isn't going to 'stand behind Tebow'. He has no belief in him. I'll accept Elway's judgment when it comes to QBs. It'll be good when Tebow is gone.

Elways has proved FAAAAAR less as a GM than Tebow has as a QB. At this point, I would be much happier losing Elway than Tebow. At least Tim has a good upside. Elway is just a face for the organization with no business making personnel decisions thus far. Hiring him was a PR move, nothing more.

John would do better to put on a mascot costume at this point, because that's all he is.

cabronco
11-07-2011, 10:37 PM
Elways has proved FAAAAAR less as a GM than Tebow has as a QB. At this point, I would be much happier losing Elway than Tebow. At least Tim has a good upside. Elway is just a face for the organization with no business making personnel decisions thus far. Hiring him was a PR move, nothing more.

John would do better to put on a mascot costume at this point, because that's all he is.


So EFX = Smug Mascot delivering pizza :clown:

Jesterhole
11-07-2011, 10:41 PM
:rofl:

Do you realize how silly you sound talking about your QB running over people? This isn't college.

The Chiefs have a brilliant LB by the name of Derrick Johnson who is perfect for spying Tebow. I doubt he has 50 rushing yards Sunday, let alone 100.

Even if he does, Tebow throwing against our corners is not a recipe for success. The picks will be flowing like wine.

Tebow doesn't throw picks. One of the reason he is better than the media makes him out to be. He makes his throws count, doesn't rack up meaningless stats by checking down, and if he doesn't see options he likes, prefers to run the ball and try to make his own play.

Come Sunday, when you're all of a sudden in last place in the AFC West, you'll realize what you're going to be facing for the next 10-15 years.

Taco John
11-07-2011, 11:04 PM
You are so friggen wishy washy. Pick a position and have the balls to stand behind it.

I have the same position I've had all along. I want Tebow to succeed. But I don't blame the Broncos coaches and Front Office for being non-committal in the least.

24champ
11-07-2011, 11:13 PM
Elway is certainly qualified to run this FO.

What kind of FO experience does he have that we can draw on to come to that conclusion?

broncocalijohn
11-07-2011, 11:34 PM
care to post with proper grammar?

Yeah, I'm calling out John Elway, because he's now in a suit and no longer in a jersey... the fact that you even have this thought process is mind boggling.

So, since John Elway went to 5 super bowls, won 2, he can get a pass to just use the organization as an experiment business venture?

:rofl:

Im just laughing that a mod switched Command Like a King to MVPlaya II- Electric Boogaloo. You know you have hit Bob territory when your own team's website mod(s) change your name. Congrats MVPlaya on continuing your doucheness from your banning. When do we get to hear again that all Denver fans are a bunch of idiots or did you finally learn and accept your wrongs?

Taco John
11-07-2011, 11:39 PM
What kind of FO experience does he have that we can draw on to come to that conclusion?

From an objective point of view what has John Elway done wrong to this point to doubt the direction the team is going, from where it's been? Do you feel like the team is getting better or worse from the day John Elway inherited the team?

DenverBroncosJM
11-07-2011, 11:46 PM
From an objective point of view what has John Elway done wrong to this point to doubt the direction the team is going, from where it's been? Do you feel like the team is getting better or worse from the day John Elway inherited the team?

Orton not needed and up for trade to starting qb with best chance to win?
Who is then benched 1/3 or so in to the season..



Besides that?

Taco John
11-08-2011, 12:59 AM
Orton not needed and up for trade to starting qb with best chance to win?
Who is then benched 1/3 or so in to the season..

Besides that?

That's too simplistic and ignores all of the nuance of the situation. Miami backed out of that deal. No one else was going to take it. Not to mention, the coach he hired decided he felt more comfortable with Orton. What's Elway supposed to do there? Force Tebow on the coach he just hired despite the fact that the offseason had been drastically shortened and Tebow looked woefully unprepared?

Yeah, I agree that the Broncos COULD have just barred Orton from showing up to practice. But I don't see how that would have been a better situation given that the players were behind Orton. No, I don't accept this as a valid blanket indictment on John Elway's ability to do the job. Especially when you consider everything that they got right - from re-signing Bailey, to nabbing McGahee - not to mention a solid draft. I'll ask again: Do you feel like the team is getting better or worse from the day John Elway inherited the team?

t-diddy
11-08-2011, 01:10 AM
That's too simplistic and ignores all of the nuance of the situation. Miami backed out of that deal. No one else was going to take it. Not to mention, the coach he hired decided he felt more comfortable with Orton. What's Elway supposed to do there? Force Tebow on the coach he just hired despite the fact that the offseason had been drastically shortened and Tebow looked woefully unprepared?

Yeah, I agree that the Broncos COULD have just barred Orton from showing up to practice. But I don't see how that would have been a better situation given that the players were behind Orton. No, I don't accept this as a valid blanket indictment on John Elway's ability to do the job. Especially when you consider everything that they got right - from re-signing Bailey, to nabbing McGahee - not to mention a solid draft. I'll ask again: Do you feel like the team is getting better or worse from the day John Elway inherited the team?

The season just got started on the wrong foot all together... a proper off season with OTA's and a full camp and none of the early blunders would've occured. I still think that the front office still thought somebody would trade for Orton after the Miami deal fell through. They named him starter to imply that he had more value and then nobody bit. Cluster ensued.

All in all, i think some things are starting to come together. Willis, Bunkley, Harris, Von, rookie safeties, Decker stepping up... all things that weren't happening last year. I have fairly low expectations so therefore i'm cautiously optimistic.

24champ
11-08-2011, 01:21 AM
From an objective point of view what has John Elway done wrong to this point to doubt the direction the team is going, from where it's been? Do you feel like the team is getting better or worse from the day John Elway inherited the team?

I don't feel like there's any direction. Franchise is stuck in neutral.

Elway hasn't known what to do about the QB situation since he walked on the job. He goes back and forth on his comments regarding the QB fiasco. Look, there's a ton of work to be done to this roster and its not a job for someone with Elway's inexperience to do. Nor is it a job for Xanders who has a spotty record himself. Let's not kid ourselves, the Broncos hired Elway based on what he did as a player and more importantly what he means to the fans.

Elway could have hired a better coach, handled the Orton situation better and also handled the Free Agency much better. I don't think they prepared for free agency very well, if at all and hopefully they have learned their lessons on that. As for drafting, outside of Von Miller, jury is out on that draft class.

I'll feel better about this franchise direction when Ellis decides to purge the coaching staff and scouting department of holdovers from prior regimes.

bowtown
11-08-2011, 01:24 AM
I don't feel like there's any direction. Franchise is stuck in neutral.

Elway hasn't known what to do about the QB situation since he walked on the job. He goes back and forth on his comments regarding the QB fiasco. Look, there's a ton of work to be done to this roster and its not a job for someone with Elway's inexperience to do. Nor is it a job for Xanders who has a spotty record himself. Let's not kid ourselves, the Broncos hired Elway based on what he did as a player and more importantly what he means to the fans.

Elway could have hired a better coach, handled the Orton situation better and also handled the Free Agency much better. I don't think they prepared for free agency very well, if at all and hopefully they have learned their lessons on that. As for drafting, outside of Von Miller, jury is out on that draft class.

I'll feel better about this franchise direction when Ellis decides to purge the coaching staff and scouting department of holdovers from prior regimes.


Argument rendered invalid.

Jetmeck
11-08-2011, 07:43 AM
:rofl:

Do you realize how silly you sound talking about your QB running over people? This isn't college.

The Chiefs have a brilliant LB by the name of Derrick Johnson who is perfect for spying Tebow. I doubt he has 50 rushing yards Sunday, let alone 100.

Even if he does, Tebow throwing against our corners is not a recipe for success. The picks will be flowing like wine.

cONSIDERING HOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE POSTED LATELY HAS COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU I'll be laughing my ass off come Sunday.................seriously thought you would never lose to the Dolphins either, did ya doofus ????

Your corners get burned like toast regularly......quit listening to the media pundits whO were sucking the Chiefs off the last month.................you see they were wrong and you got nothing ................YOUR TEAM IS BARELY BETTER IF AT ALL FROM THE 0-3 TEAM THAT STARTED THE YEAR.................

lod01
11-08-2011, 12:45 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: “I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If we’d have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.”

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For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

How's riding The Tebow's dick working for you? Elway was an alltime NFL great QB. The Tebow sucks and a guy that knows how to play QB knows a helluva lot more than a guy swinging from The Tebow's nutsack.

Lolad
11-08-2011, 02:35 PM
I have the same position I've had all along. I want Tebow to succeed. But I don't blame the Broncos coaches and Front Office for being non-committal in the least.

They were committed when Orton was starting, using every excuse and reason for why he was starting. They didn't question him "week to week" in the MEDIA.

Tebow is in his 6th start of the year, he's young, they can say as much. The dynamic has now changed, we are 1 game back, the FO has no patience. If Tebow is benched after a few starts I would have to question things

2KBack
11-08-2011, 02:47 PM
They were committed when Orton was starting, using every excuse and reason for why he was starting. They didn't question him "week to week" in the MEDIA.

Tebow is in his 6th start of the year, he's young, they can say as much. The dynamic has now changed, we are 1 game back, the FO has no patience. If Tebow is benched after a few starts I would have to question things

Well they Did Bench Orton halfway through his 5th game this season. Seems to me they were just saying that they were willing to do that to any player that isn't performing.

Orton's benching set the precedent, you play like ****, we will put someone else in....no matter who you are

Turd_Ferguson
11-08-2011, 02:54 PM
That's too simplistic and ignores all of the nuance of the situation. Miami backed out of that deal. No one else was going to take it. Not to mention, the coach he hired decided he felt more comfortable with Orton. What's Elway supposed to do there? Force Tebow on the coach he just hired despite the fact that the offseason had been drastically shortened and Tebow looked woefully unprepared?

Yeah, I agree that the Broncos COULD have just barred Orton from showing up to practice. But I don't see how that would have been a better situation given that the players were behind Orton. No, I don't accept this as a valid blanket indictment on John Elway's ability to do the job. Especially when you consider everything that they got right - from re-signing Bailey, to nabbing McGahee - not to mention a solid draft. I'll ask again: Do you feel like the team is getting better or worse from the day John Elway inherited the team?

I do think they are getting better. The funny thing about the Quarterback situation, is that when Elway showed up he had 4 choices.
1. Orton. The fan base already hated him. He was slow plodding and average at best.
2. Brady Quinn. First round draft pick they traded for and never used. He was considered a bust in many circles and has in a way simply become the invisible man around Denver. People don't hate him but they don't like him either.
3. Tebow. A guy that has been a non stop media frenzy since before they even drafted him. He has never ever been considered a sure fire NFL Quarterback prospect, but has "intangibles" and hype like no other. Half the fan base thinks he is a joke the other half a savior...
4. Weber... hes on the practice squad now i think.. so really there were only 3 choices.

None of these choices were going to be the right one. This is not Elways fault. He inherited all three of these guys, if you want to be mad about something be mad at the guy that TRADED AWAY A FORTUNE to bring these three guys to Denver. This whole quarterback fiasco is not Elways fault or his doing. Personally I think he will be taking steps to fix it this offseason, and I can't wait.

BroncoMan4ever
11-08-2011, 02:56 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/11/07/elway-tim-tebow-improved-against-the-raiders/10597/

Brady Quinn being an option at QB, had Tebow struggled: I think that (Broncos coach) John (Fox) was patient with it and wanted to see how things were going. If wed have seen what happened the last couple of weeks, we might have seen a change.

-------------------------------------

For real tho? He was ready to quit Tebow after 2 games?

John Elway is an idiot, this guy has said some of the dumbest things publicly I can only conclude that he knows Broncos fans will ride his dick no matter what he does.

give me a ****ing break. outside of running the ball Tebow has looked mediocre or against Detroit he looked awful. he has yet to complete 50% of his passes in a game this season. he misses easy throws regularly and has not improved much passing the ball.

what is Elway supposed to do? be on his knees praising Tebow for not being able to do what a QB is supposed to do and pass the damn ball.

this is stupid ****, calling out Elway for not being on the Tebow Hype Train when he still sees him still struggling to play like an NFL QB.

Elway's job is to put this team in a position to win games and he wants a QB who can do it passing. he knows what an NFL quality elite passer looks like because he looks at one in the mirror every damn day. so far Tebow doesn't look like an NFL passer, he looks like a RB.

BroncoInferno
11-08-2011, 02:59 PM
Elway could have hired a better coach

Who? Fox was easily the most experienced guy available. We never had a chance at Harbaugh. A lot of coaches, especially the bigger name guys, were hesitant about commiting to a new team due to the lockout, so that further limited the options. I suppose we could have rolled the dice on an newbie head coach like Fewell or Koettner, but it's pretty easy to see why Elway wanted an experienced hand on deck given what happened with the last coach, not to mention Elway's own lack of experience.

Durango
11-08-2011, 03:20 PM
Oh cry me a ****ing river.

Another over sensitive, hyper ventallitating thread about how Tebow isn't being treated like royalty.

Moreno, Carter, Miller etc all got benched or replaced at times and you didn't see drama queens venting about how Elway/Fox etc need to stand behind them, give them a hug and a public show of affection.

1. The entire offense has been changed to suit Tebow. Never mind the strengths/weakenesses of the OL, WRs, TEs etc, and how much time and effort the starters spent learning the Orton Offense. No Fox/Elway put Tebow first.

2. Nevermind that we had a pro bowl WR that could run every route and make routine circus catches. Lloyd wasn't 100% behind Tebow so what did Fox/Elway do? Before it could spread and cause a division in the locker room they traded the guy for next to nothing. Fox/Elway put Tebow ahead of Lloyd.

3. Nevermind that Orton was already making $9million, Fox and Elway decided to commit to Tebow by paying him starters type money this season when they could have easily traded him, cut him, renegotiated or whatever. They still put him first and eventually benched Orton.

Never mind all of that.

Your feelings are hurt because Elway is in the FO and has already said numerous times that coaching the team is on Fox and he's not going to interfere and is only explaining what Fox was doing instead of back stabbing the coach live on air by making Fox's decision for him and saying "I love Timmy no matter what."

Yeah, I'd love to hear what other coaches around the league think about a first time FO guy in Elway making a coach's decision and declaring Tebow to be the unquestioned starter. I bet the coaching staff would love that.

It's exactly the kind of douchebag, classless move that McDaniels would have made in exceeding his authority, but Elway being the classy, sensible guy that he is answered diplomatically and backed his coach and staff instead of making their decisions for them.

What a great thread.

Rinse and repeat. Copy and forward.

This franchise is making every accommodation possible to make the Tim Tebow experiment work. Elway says it's a work-in-progress and people flip out.

Nuts.

oubronco
11-08-2011, 03:22 PM
give me a ****ing break. outside of running the ball Tebow has looked mediocre or against Detroit he looked awful. he has yet to complete 50% of his passes in a game this season. he misses easy throws regularly and has not improved much passing the ball.

what is Elway supposed to do? be on his knees praising Tebow for not being able to do what a QB is supposed to do and pass the damn ball.

this is stupid ****, calling out Elway for not being on the Tebow Hype Train when he still sees him still struggling to play like an NFL QB.

Elway's job is to put this team in a position to win games and he wants a QB who can do it passing. he knows what an NFL quality elite passer looks like because he looks at one in the mirror every damn day. so far Tebow doesn't look like an NFL passer, he looks like a RB.

Amen Brotha

Lolad
11-09-2011, 06:07 AM
Well they Did Bench Orton halfway through his 5th game this season. Seems to me they were just saying that they were willing to do that to any player that isn't performing.

Orton's benching set the precedent, you play like ****, we will put someone else in....no matter who you are

The difference is Orton was a 7 year vet that was not getting it done in his last year on contract. vs Tebow who's only played 6 games. When you commit to start a young player you take ALL of their growing pains.

BabyTO
11-09-2011, 06:35 AM
elway doesnt know **** about his job, hes a gloryfied secretary. i cant believe they actually hired him to make decisions regarding this football team. that toolbag doesnt even know half the players names on our team let alone anything about their skills

Bob's your Information Minister
11-09-2011, 07:03 AM
he knows what an NFL quality elite passer looks like because he looks at one in the mirror every damn day.

:rofl:

Do you think Elway wakes up in the morning, yawns, rubs the sleep out of his eyes, walks to the mirror, nods, smiles and says:

"damn, ****a. You an NFL quality elite passer!"

jhns
11-09-2011, 07:27 AM
While it is weird thatElway got behind Orton more so than his 2-1 young QB, it probably wont matter what he thinks. As long as Tebow keeps an even record, we wont be in position to get his replacement. Then the only option will be trade. If he plays well enough to get other teams to trade good QBs to us, trading him would probably be a huge mistake.

I was getting annoyed that they weren't giving Tebow a chance. Now they are. Tebows future is now up to Tebow.

TheReverend
11-09-2011, 08:02 AM
Wonderful quotes. Like I said: Total DoucheBag. Just another Marine who was brainwashed to BELIEVE he is always the best!:rofl:

Do you deny any of it?

bendog
11-09-2011, 08:28 AM
Get good or get gone, but that said I finally finished the whole game and JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST TEBOW'S STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT

TheReverend
11-09-2011, 08:41 AM
:rofl:

Do you think Elway wakes up in the morning, yawns, rubs the sleep out of his eyes, walks to the mirror, nods, smiles and says:

"damn, ****a. You an NFL quality elite passer!"

He's probably blinded by dem teef

Rohirrim
11-09-2011, 08:48 AM
To some people around here, Tebow is the only player on the team. Sounds to me like what John said was, all playing time for all players is based on performance. Seems like some people favor the idea that instead, John should say, "Except for Timmy, because he's special."

Turd_Ferguson
11-09-2011, 08:58 AM
:rofl:

Do you think Elway wakes up in the morning, yawns, rubs the sleep out of his eyes, walks to the mirror, nods, smiles and says:

"damn, ****a. You an NFL quality elite passer!"

Thats what Matt Moore did the morning after he hung 31 on the Chiefs, for the Dolphins ONLY win of the season.

bendog
11-09-2011, 08:59 AM
To some people around here, Tebow is the only player on the team. Sounds to me like what John said was, all playing time for all players is based on performance. Seems like some people favor the idea that instead, John should say, "Except for Timmy, because he's special."

I nearly spilled a beer when Oakland blitzed from Clady's side and Tebow tossed a pass over the blitzer's head into the TE's hands.

Turd_Ferguson
11-09-2011, 09:04 AM
To some people around here, Tebow is the only player on the team. Sounds to me like what John said was, all playing time for all players is based on performance. Seems like some people favor the idea that instead, John should say, "Except for Timmy, because he's special."

Elway says anything about Tebow nice or bad, and everyone bitches that he is a bully, or that even though it was a nice comment it should have been nicer. What about Tebow? After the Detroit game he should have came out to the media and took some heat off the coaching staff by saying... "I just am not performing up to expectations I have set for myself. At this point if I dont turn it around the coaching staff will have no choice but to take a look at someone else... Im a team player, I don't expect them to change to ENTIRE offense to fit one guy. What wide receiver wants to play for a guy that only gets him the ball 3 times a game. I can't blame the coaching staff for the play calling when Im missing wide open guys consistently."

jhns
11-09-2011, 09:07 AM
Elway says anything about Tebow nice or bad, and everyone b****es that he is a bully, or that even though it was a nice comment it should have been nicer. What about Tebow? After the Detroit game he should have came out to the media and took some heat off the coaching staff by saying... "I just am not performing up to expectations I have set for myself. At this point if I dont turn it around the coaching staff will have no choice but to take a look at someone else... Im a team player, I don't expect them to change to ENTIRE offense to fit one guy. What wide receiver wants to play for a guy that only gets him the ball 3 times a game. I can't blame the coaching staff for the play calling when Im missing wide open guys consistently."

Tebow did take the blame in his interviews.

fontaine
11-09-2011, 09:11 AM
When you commit to start a young player you take ALL of their growing pains.

And in what league is that?

The same league where coaches routinely bench rookies/young players for making mental mistakes and assignment issues?

Almost every young player in this team from Moreno, Miller, Beadles, to Carter etc has either been benched at times or moved around.

This is the same league where a young Larry Johnson publicly gets told "to take the diapers off" and McDaniels gets right in R Quinn's face and calls him out before benching him.

The only reason this is an issue is because some people's perception of all things Bronco starts and ends with Tebow.

Poor ***kers.

2KBack
11-09-2011, 09:20 AM
The difference is Orton was a 7 year vet that was not getting it done in his last year on contract. vs Tebow who's only played 6 games. When you commit to start a young player you take ALL of their growing pains.

Every Player got a clean slate with the new staff, they said as much. Like a 7 year vet should, Especially without a good offseason, Orton came out the gates looking like the better QB. That is inarguable. He was then given 4.5 games to lose the job...and he did. I expect the same standard to be set for every player on the team.

TailgateNut
11-09-2011, 09:30 AM
Do you deny any of it?

There's thruth and twisted truth. You obviously love to "do the twist". Not at all surprising, considering the mentality.

TheReverend
11-09-2011, 09:32 AM
There's thruth and twisted truth. You obviously love to "do the twist". Not at all surprising, considering the mentality.

Well which part(s) is/are twisted?

Turd_Ferguson
11-09-2011, 09:34 AM
Tebow did take the blame in his interviews.

I cant find it now but I remember him talking about how he was disappointed in himself, and that he knows he can play better, and the he is going to work real hard. He talked about when you cant get a spark on first down it drags you down. They were going to go practice really hard this week.

I dont ever remember him saying, look my coaches laid out a great game plan, my teammates were getting open this one is on me. Just the typical I need to work hard so I get better, and next week will be different.

jhns
11-09-2011, 09:36 AM
I cant find it now but I remember him talking about how he was disappointed in himself, and that he knows he can play better, and the he is going to work real hard. He talked about when you cant get a spark on first down it drags you down. They were going to go practice really hard this week.

I dont ever remember him saying, look my coaches laid out a great game plan, my teammates were getting open this one is on me. Just the typical I need to work hard so I get better, and next week will be different.

Why would he lie?

BroncoBeavis
11-09-2011, 09:39 AM
Every Player got a clean slate with the new staff, they said as much. Like a 7 year vet should, Especially without a good offseason, Orton came out the gates looking like the better QB. That is inarguable. He was then given 4.5 games to lose the job...and he did. I expect the same standard to be set for every player on the team.

But you can't use the same standard for a guy who's played 5 games vs a guy who's played 50.

Most NFL qb's suck right out of the gate.

bowtown
11-09-2011, 09:50 AM
I cant find it now but I remember him talking about how he was disappointed in himself, and that he knows he can play better, and the he is going to work real hard. He talked about when you cant get a spark on first down it drags you down. They were going to go practice really hard this week.

I dont ever remember him saying, look my coaches laid out a great game plan, my teammates were getting open this one is on me. Just the typical I need to work hard so I get better, and next week will be different.

Please... this is absurd.

cutthemdown
11-09-2011, 09:56 AM
Elway got his pass when he hoisted those Superbowl trophies.

Lolad
11-09-2011, 10:09 PM
And in what league is that?

The same league where coaches routinely bench rookies/young players for making mental mistakes and assignment issues?

Almost every young player in this team from Moreno, Miller, Beadles, to Carter etc has either been benched at times or moved around.

This is the same league where a young Larry Johnson publicly gets told "to take the diapers off" and McDaniels gets right in R Quinn's face and calls him out before benching him.

The only reason this is an issue is because some people's perception of all things Bronco starts and ends with Tebow.

Poor ****ers.

It happens routinely EVERY year with rookie QB's prove me wrong.

bombay
11-09-2011, 10:14 PM
Elway will do as he wishes - and as he should - and disregard whining internet douchebags. As he should. Most internet clowns can't decide from day to day what their latest eternal desire is.

Turd_Ferguson
11-10-2011, 11:02 AM
Please... this is absurd.

No more absurd that complaining that Elway hasnt praised Tebow enough.

bowtown
11-10-2011, 11:03 AM
No more absurd that complaining that Elway hasnt praised Tebow enough.

Right, they are both equally stupid and absurd.

Turd_Ferguson
11-10-2011, 11:03 AM
Why would he lie?

why would Elway lie?

2KBack
11-10-2011, 11:22 AM
But you can't use the same standard for a guy who's played 5 games vs a guy who's played 50.

Most NFL qb's suck right out of the gate.

Most NFL QB's do not suck the way Tebow did. It's one thing to look like you aren't up to the speed of the game or reading defense. It's a whole new beast if it looks like the guy is still learning how to throw a football.

Let's not forget...he isn't a rookie. Take a look at what guys like Aaron Rogers, Phillip Rivers, David Garrard and Carson Palmer did. They sat first, and then looked much better than Tebow did in their first starts. Tebow may be new to being the starter, but he isn't new to the NFL anymore, he should be able to hit an open receiver with consistency.

Slightly Soiled
11-10-2011, 11:56 AM
My question is, what happens if Tebow winning % is better than 50% at the end of the season but his completions are below 50% at the end of the season. Seems the fan base would really go apeship if they drafted a QB then.

jhns
11-10-2011, 12:00 PM
why would Elway lie?

What? This post doesn't even make a little bit of sense.

BroncoMan4ever
11-10-2011, 12:24 PM
My question is, what happens if Tebow winning % is better than 50% at the end of the season but his completions are below 50% at the end of the season. Seems the fan base would really go apeship if they drafted a QB then.

that honestly worries the **** out of me. i worry that he will lead the team on an improbable season and win a good amount off games, but be a very ****ty passer and leave the team in a really ****ed up situation.

TheReverend
11-10-2011, 12:27 PM
why would Elway lie?

Because it's now in his job description...?

rbackfactory80
11-10-2011, 12:31 PM
I think it is clear Tebow plays the best under pressure. Maybe this is a smart move.

Lolad
11-10-2011, 01:33 PM
My question is, what happens if Tebow winning % is better than 50% at the end of the season but his completions are below 50% at the end of the season. Seems the fan base would really go apeship if they drafted a QB then.

If that happens, they will only take a QB if he is really good and falls in the draft. No matter what the broncos will be picking up a QB via free agency or in the draft.

BroncoBeavis
11-10-2011, 01:49 PM
Most NFL QB's do not suck the way Tebow did. It's one thing to look like you aren't up to the speed of the game or reading defense. It's a whole new beast if it looks like the guy is still learning how to throw a football.

Let's not forget...he isn't a rookie. Take a look at what guys like Aaron Rogers, Phillip Rivers, David Garrard and Carson Palmer did. They sat first, and then looked much better than Tebow did in their first starts. Tebow may be new to being the starter, but he isn't new to the NFL anymore, he should be able to hit an open receiver with consistency.

I'm starting to think there's something more to this whole thing than Tebow hate. Maybe Broncos fans are watching too much Sportscenter to get their perspective on how good NFL QB's are on other teams. I watch quite a few non-Broncos games, and it's pretty routine to see even top shelf QB's miss on passes the way Tebow has missed in his first few starts. Sure, it's probably not as frequent. But it happens all the time. Every game. Especially when QB's see the kind of pressure Tebow has. Big Ben looked like crap early this season. Phyllis still does. Even Peyton Manning struggles under a rush.

Maybe people are only seeing the highlights put up by other QB's and missing the more pedestrian stuff you see when you watch from coin flip to final. But when you ask them to show the real impact in numbers vs in their minds, it never seems to amount to much.

baja
11-10-2011, 02:05 PM
I still say Quinn is an unknown to us fans.

He could easily be resigned and be our back up or even our starter.

Point is he is an unknown You can't judge him only by his play in Cleveland. It has been said he has made strides by several sources.

Slightly Soiled
11-10-2011, 02:31 PM
it's pretty routine to see even top shelf QB's miss on passes the way Tebow has missed in his first few starts. Sure, it's probably not as frequent. But it happens all the time. .

The emporer has no clothes

BroncoBeavis
11-10-2011, 02:54 PM
The emporer has no clothes

Look at this back-footed wobbler.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d823d91ce/Packers-clincher

Slightly Soiled
11-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Exactly, Tebow may have a couple more every game that get away from him but, we all can rember Favre even in his glory years would start a game with a couple wild throws untill he settled down.

2KBack
11-10-2011, 03:19 PM
I'm starting to think there's something more to this whole thing than Tebow hate. Maybe Broncos fans are watching too much Sportscenter to get their perspective on how good NFL QB's are on other teams. I watch quite a few non-Broncos games, and it's pretty routine to see even top shelf QB's miss on passes the way Tebow has missed in his first few starts. Sure, it's probably not as frequent. But it happens all the time. Every game. Especially when QB's see the kind of pressure Tebow has. Big Ben looked like crap early this season. Phyllis still does. Even Peyton Manning struggles under a rush.

Maybe people are only seeing the highlights put up by other QB's and missing the more pedestrian stuff you see when you watch from coin flip to final. But when you ask them to show the real impact in numbers vs in their minds, it never seems to amount to much.

Dude, it has absolutely nothing to do with what he look like when being rushed. The biggest hater in the world will admit that effects a QB's performance. It's when he has plenty of time (as the NFL goes), has a wide open receiver and misses him by 5-10 yards. Wide open receivers come at a premium in the league, you need to hit them more often than not. Every QB will miss some here and there, but his misses have been awful. They give a person pause...only a blind fool will excuse some of those throws. when those QB's that you mention miss like that, it is the aberration. With Tebow right now it is actually expected.

That said, he also makes some sweet throws and sometimes in tough situations. The objective among us admit that he shows the flashes...but we also recognize that he really needs to improve on those errant throws.

AlphaSeirra
11-11-2011, 09:12 AM
Most NFL QB's do not suck the way Tebow did. It's one thing to look like you aren't up to the speed of the game
or reading defense. It's a whole new beast if it looks like the guy is still learning how to throw a football.

Let's not forget...he isn't a rookie. Take a look at what guys like Aaron Rogers, Phillip Rivers, David Garrard
and Carson Palmer did. They sat first, and then looked much better than Tebow did in their first starts.
Tebow may be new to being the starter, but he isn't new to the NFL anymore, he should be able to
hit an open receiver with consistency.

A QB who, in his first 9 starts, throws 7 TD's to 14 Ints for a 54 PER,
has a CANNON arm and no trouble reading defenses at all.

HOWEVER

A QB who, in his first 6 starts, throws 11 TD's to 4 Ints for an 81 PER,
has a weak inaccurate arm and can't read a defense at all.

Gottcha! Hilarious!


Now consider this real time information:

There are currently 11 NFL QB's with a lower Pass Efficiency Rating than weak, inaccurate, incompetent Tebow's. :thanku:

There is currently ONLY ONE NFL QB with a better Touchdown/Interception Ratio than Tebow's. :notworthy

But all of you 'football genius' types should just keep your eyes fixed right were the 'media morons'
and your own incompetent FO wants them, on the ONLY important QB stat, the ALL important Comp%. :welcome:

Rohirrim
11-11-2011, 09:18 AM
I think you should make a pie chart.

AlphaSeirra
11-11-2011, 09:23 AM
I think you should make a pie chart.

Maybe, but not very well,,,, and I bet it's a real strain for ya. :thumbsup:

PS

And you obviously NEED darker glasses.... :wiggle:

Irish Stout
11-11-2011, 09:26 AM
I think you should make a pie chart.

I like pie! Apple and cherry are my favorites.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-11-2011, 09:30 AM
http://blogs.westword.com/cafesociety/apple_pie_350.jpg

Warm apple pie....

Archer81
11-11-2011, 09:30 AM
Mmm... Pie.


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
11-11-2011, 09:36 AM
I told my wife she should make me a pie for Veterans Day. She's all, "Yeah. Right."

Dr. Broncenstein
11-11-2011, 09:37 AM
I'd like to hear Elway give Tom Tenow some public support.

baja
11-11-2011, 09:38 AM
I'd like to hear Elway give Tom Tenow some public support.

Did you mean pelvic support?