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The Moops
10-27-2011, 09:35 AM
My take on what 99% of the Tebow bashers don't get about playing QB in the NFL.

http://bit.ly/jWV7tK

bendog
10-27-2011, 09:40 AM
Don't mention Elway in the same sentence in comparison to Tebow for at least 14 years.

And, I'm all for playing the kid.

Rabb
10-27-2011, 09:41 AM
I am all for the kid playing, I will support whoever our QB is, but man...another thread?

bendog
10-27-2011, 09:44 AM
PS and five superbowl appearances and two lombardis .... AT LEAST

bloodsunday
10-27-2011, 09:48 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.

The worst thing about Tebow's performance Sunday is that it didn't really help to answer the most important question about him -- can he find a way to be a more consistent player in the first 55 minutes of a game? It is entertaining to watch him play and he has "intangibles". Critics don't deny that. But we cannot be legitimate Super Bowl contenders unless he finds a way to complete more passes and run more of the offense. I'm hopeful that he can. I personally think that little things like slowing the game down and learning to keep his eyes down field when he's scrambling will make a big difference. He is just flat raw and without some more evidence, neither "side" of the Tebow debate can be proven right.

huh??
10-27-2011, 09:48 AM
Nicely written.

DomCasual
10-27-2011, 09:54 AM
Tebow vs. the 99%:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltmt8rQZCE1r5ubj1o1_500.jpg

enjolras
10-27-2011, 09:57 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

1) Yep
2) It would have been a two score game regardless. I have no doubt that Tebow would have scored an additional 2-point conversion. Did you see how easily they got the ball in the first time?
3) Don't discount the amazing throw. Even if that catch isn't made, the Broncos had more downs and more time to get down the field. Who is to say they wouldn't have?

The point is, Tebow did take advantage of the opportunities given to him. That's what "clutch" is all about, taking full advantage of the things that do go in your favor. You simply can't so easily discount that.

55CrushEm
10-27-2011, 10:00 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch



So F-ING what?! Are you now going to suggest that we should "discount" his win because he got help from special teams and the defense??

Ok. So has Tom Brady or John Elway or anyone else for that matter ever gotten help from the other 21 starters or their special teams group when they win games? Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

But, yeah.....Tebow's win shouldn't be viewed so highly because, well, we had a good special teams play during the game.

Jesus......maybe Tebow's record as a starter this year shouldn't be 1-0....it should be 0.427 - 0.573. Let's only give him partial credit.

Rohirrim
10-27-2011, 10:09 AM
It was Miami, folks. Take a deep breath.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 10:17 AM
So F-ING what?! Are you now going to suggest that we should "discount" his win because he got help from special teams and the defense??

Ok. So has Tom Brady or John Elway or anyone else for that matter ever gotten help from the other 21 starters or their special teams group when they win games? Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

But, yeah.....Tebow's win shouldn't be viewed so highly because, well, we had a good special teams play during the game.

Jesus......maybe Tebow's record as a starter this year shouldn't be 1-0....it should be 0.427 - 0.573. Let's only give him partial credit.


He didn't win this game with his "talent". The team won this one despite Tebow.

BroncoBeavis
10-27-2011, 10:17 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:


1987 AFC Championship... Everyone remembers 'The Drive' But up until 'The Drive' nobody remembers that Elway's play was anything but special. Meanwhile the D was grabbing turnovers left and right, some deep in Browns territory... Yet those opportunities were squandered.

Long story short, based on Elway's 60 minute performance all by it's lonesome, the Broncs lose to the Browns in 1987. 'The Drive' would've been too little too late had Elway not gotten lots of help.

Not saying Tebow has yet earned the right to carry John John's Under Armor. But at the end of the day, a gritty W is a gritty W. Credit should go where it's due.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 10:18 AM
It was Miami, folks. Take a deep breath.

No shiate. The Teboners act like we beat the Pack.ROFL!

Play2win
10-27-2011, 10:18 AM
I am beginning to think that the internet really is the anti-Christ.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-27-2011, 10:19 AM
It was Miami, folks. Take a deep breath.

qft

Kaylore
10-27-2011, 10:20 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.


:kiddingme

1. Yes.
2. If Sparano kicks the field goal we likely go for two twice. Do we covert twice? No idea but the kid could do no wrong that last five minutes. Regardless, Sparano going for two doesn't mean we lose if he doesn't.
3. Daniel Fells' amazing catch from an amazing throw from Tebow is one of the things Tebow had no control over?

AlphaSeirra
10-27-2011, 10:21 AM
Double Post :wave:

NFLBRONCO
10-27-2011, 10:22 AM
No shiate. The Teboners act like we beat the Pack.ROFL!

No Doubt

AlphaSeirra
10-27-2011, 10:32 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.

The worst thing about Tebow's performance Sunday is that it didn't really help to answer the most important question about him -- can he find a way to be a more consistent player in the first 55 minutes of a game? It is entertaining to watch him play and he has "intangibles". Critics don't deny that. But we cannot be legitimate Super Bowl contenders unless he finds a way to complete more passes and run more of the offense. I'm hopeful that he can. I personally think that little things like slowing the game down and learning to keep his eyes down field when he's scrambling will make a big difference. He is just flat raw and without some more evidence, neither "side" of the Tebow debate can be proven right.

Anyone with a brain will agree that it does, and it ALWAYS (elway) has, taken an ENTIRE COMMITTED TEAM to play winning football.
And The QB & Teams performance is GREATLY affected by Coaching Preparation, Game Planning, and the game day Play Calling by the coaches.

I put these stats in another thread, but maybe if I spread them around they will begin to come into focus.

Tebow's Complete Career Stats:
Pass Completion Percentage 48.7% (only thing that the haters want to focus on)
Starter W/L Record 2 - 2
NFL QB PER = 85.9 -- (2011 - 94.4)
Touchdown to Interception Ratio is 2.7 TD's per 1 Int. (2011 - 3.0 to 0)
Touchdown to Completion Ratio is 7.25 to 1. (2011 - 5.7 to 1)
Note: The QB Comp% also depends on the intentional 'nobody open' good decision throw-aways,
and the receivers 'hit in the hands' drops.

Now, balance that against what happens when Tebow does take off and run the ball, is that decision really a mistake?

2010 - 43 for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc, 6 TD's 1 Fum, ZERO Lost Poss. Fumbles. (led the team in ypc & TD's)
2011 - 16 for 96 yds, 6.0 ypc, 1 TD, 1 Fum, ZERO Lost Poss. Fumbles. (leds the team in ypc & TD's per carry, tied for total rushing TD's.
* Career Rushing to Date: 59 for 323 yds, 5.5 ypc, 7 TD's, ZERO Lost Poss. Fumbles.
>>> Looks to me like Tim taking off to run is not all that bad of a decision. (one TD per 8.4 runs)

To Date, Tebow has a career total of 178 regular season (2010-11) plays.
He has accounted for 15 TD's, or 1 TD per 11.9 plays.
That's with a total of just 3 turnovers, or just one T-O per 59.3 plays.

Anyone, please feel free to list those last 3 stats for ANY freakin' QB currently in the NFL and compare them.
And when you do the comparisons, be sure to take into account the overall 'quality' of that QB's surrounding team.
(or do like the irrelevant MEDIA MORONS & Haters by harping on about Tim's 48.7 'average' Comp.%)

Current 2011 NFL PER's -- # Atts -- TD's - Ints -- TD/Int Ratio (used TT's career numbers for a bigger sample)

Tebow ---- 85.9 -- 119 - 8 - 3 -- 2.7 to 1 ----- (TT 2011 PER 94.4 - Ratio 3.0 to 0)

Painter --- 85.2 -- 119 - 5 - 2 -- 2.5 to 1
Vick ------ 84.4 -- 200 - 9 - 8 -- 1.1 to 1
Dalton ---- 84.3 -- 189 - 7 - 5 -- 1.4 to 1
Campbell -- 84.2 -- 165 - 6 - 4 -- 1.5 to 1
Cutler ---- 84.0 -- 232 - 9 - 6 -- 1.5 to 1
Sanchez -- 83.0 -- 231 - 12 - 6 -- 2.0 to 1
McNabb -- 82.9 -- 156 - 4 - 2 -- 2.0 to 1
Newton --- 82.8 -- 252 - 8 - 9 -- .89 to 1 << neg.
Rivers ---- 82.3 -- 218 - 7 - 9 -- .78 to 1 << neg.
Jackson -- 81.0 -- 157 - 6 - 5 -- 1.2 to 1
Cassel ---- 80.7 -- 170 - 8 - 7 -- 1.1 to 1
Ryan ----- 79.5 -- 252 - 9 - 8 -- 1.1 to 1
Henne ---- 79.0 -- 112 - 4 - 4 -- 1.0 to 1
Kolb ------ 78.8 -- 206 - 7 - 7 -- 1.0 to 1
Flacco ---- 76.2 -- 211 - 17 - 5 -- 3.4 to 1 << Only lower PER with a better TD/Int ratio.
Orton ----- 75.7 -- 155 - 8 - 7 -- 1.1 to 1
McCoy ---- 75.4 -- 252 - 8 - 4 -- 2.0 to 1
Freeman -- 73.1 -- 270 - 7 - 10 -- .70 to 1 << neg.
Bradford -- 72.2 -- 196 - 3 - 2 -- 1.5 to 1
Average - 78.5 -- 195 - 7 - 6 -- 1.2 to 1

4 More QB's had PER's down in the Sixties.

In general, Tebow has a better PER and has thrown as many or more TD's on half the attempts, with about 1/3 of the Ints.

Feel free to go to the NFL.com QB page and make any comparison you'd like. :flower:

BroncoBeavis
10-27-2011, 10:33 AM
To me it's more about crediting the guy for not folding like a lawn chair under the pressure. That's not something you can say about Orton.

There's no chance Orton comes back in that game. Zero. You could possibly argue he wouldn't have been down 15 at that point in the first place. That's possible, but looking at Kyle's production over his last 8 games or so, it's definitely debatable.

Being down at the end of games sometimes is part of football. It happens. You'll never go anywhere with a guy who falls apart under that pressure. Is Tebow the answer? We don't know yet. But Kyle wasn't. That was clear.

55CrushEm
10-27-2011, 10:33 AM
He didn't win this game with his "talent". The team won this one despite Tebow.

LOL

They won DESPITE Tebow?! That's a good one.

Maybe you missed the last 5 minutes. It was a team effort....of which Tebow was a HUGE part.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 10:34 AM
Anyone with a brain will agree that it does, and it ALWAYS (elway) has, taken an ENTIRE COMMITTED TEAM to play winning football.
And The QB & Teams performance is GREATLY affected by Coaching Preparation, Game Planning, and the game day Play Calling by the coaches.

I put these stats in another thread, but maybe if I spread them around they will begin to come into focus.

Tebow's Complete Career Stats:
Pass Completion Percentage 48.7% (only thing that the haters want to focus on)
Starter W/L Record 2 - 2
NFL QB PER = 85.9 -- (2011 - 94.4)
Touchdown to Interception Ratio is 2.7 TD's per 1 Int. (2011 - 3.0 to 0)
Touchdown to Completion Ratio is 7.25 to 1. (2011 - 5.7 to 1)
Note: The QB Comp% also depends on the intentional 'nobody open' good decision throw-aways,
and the receivers 'hit in the hands' drops.

Now, balance that against what happens when Tebow does take off and run the ball, is that decision really a mistake?

2010 - 43 for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc, 6 TD's 1 Fum, ZERO Lost Poss. Fumbles. (led the team in ypc & TD's)
2011 - 16 for 96 yds, 6.0 ypc, 1 TD, 1 Fum, ZERO Lost Poss. Fumbles. (leds the team in ypc & TD's per carry, tied for total rushing TD's.
* Career Rushing to Date: 59 for 323 yds, 5.5 ypc, 7 TD's, ZERO Lost Poss. Fumbles.
>>> Looks to me like Tim taking off to run is not all that bad of a decision. (one TD per 8.4 runs)

To Date, Tebow has a career total of 178 regular season (2010-11) plays.
He has accounted for 15 TD's, or 1 TD per 11.9 plays.
That's with a total of just 3 turnovers, or just one T-O per 59.3 plays.

Anyone, please feel free to list those last 3 stats for ANY freakin' QB currently in the NFL and compare them.
And when you do the comparisons, be sure to take into account the overall 'quality' of that QB's surrounding team.
(or do like the irrelevant MEDIA MORONS & Haters by harping on about Tim's 48.7 'average' Comp.%)

Current 2011 NFL PER's -- # Atts -- TD's - Ints -- TD/Int Ratio (used TT's career numbers for a bigger sample)

Tebow ---- 85.9 -- 119 - 8 - 3 -- 2.7 to 1 ----- (TT 2011 PER 94.4 - Ratio 3.0 to 0)

Painter --- 85.2 -- 119 - 5 - 2 -- 2.5 to 1
Vick ------ 84.4 -- 200 - 9 - 8 -- 1.1 to 1
Dalton ---- 84.3 -- 189 - 7 - 5 -- 1.4 to 1
Campbell -- 84.2 -- 165 - 6 - 4 -- 1.5 to 1
Cutler ---- 84.0 -- 232 - 9 - 6 -- 1.5 to 1
Sanchez -- 83.0 -- 231 - 12 - 6 -- 2.0 to 1
McNabb -- 82.9 -- 156 - 4 - 2 -- 2.0 to 1
Newton --- 82.8 -- 252 - 8 - 9 -- .89 to 1 << neg.
Rivers ---- 82.3 -- 218 - 7 - 9 -- .78 to 1 << neg.
Jackson -- 81.0 -- 157 - 6 - 5 -- 1.2 to 1
Cassel ---- 80.7 -- 170 - 8 - 7 -- 1.1 to 1
Ryan ----- 79.5 -- 252 - 9 - 8 -- 1.1 to 1
Henne ---- 79.0 -- 112 - 4 - 4 -- 1.0 to 1
Kolb ------ 78.8 -- 206 - 7 - 7 -- 1.0 to 1
Flacco ---- 76.2 -- 211 - 17 - 5 -- 3.4 to 1 << Only lower PER with a better TD/Int ratio.
Orton ----- 75.7 -- 155 - 8 - 7 -- 1.1 to 1
McCoy ---- 75.4 -- 252 - 8 - 4 -- 2.0 to 1
Freeman -- 73.1 -- 270 - 7 - 10 -- .70 to 1 << neg.
Bradford -- 72.2 -- 196 - 3 - 2 -- 1.5 to 1
Average - 78.5 -- 195 - 7 - 6 -- 1.2 to 1

4 More QB's had PER's down in the Sixties.

In general, Tebow has a better PER and has thrown as many or more TD's on half the attempts, with about 1/3 of the Ints.

Feel free to go to the NFL.com QB page and make any comparison you'd like. :flower:


Could you post that again? I DIDN'T SEE IT THE FIRST 100 TIMES!

You f-ing :clown:

55CrushEm
10-27-2011, 10:35 AM
To me it's more about crediting the guy for not folding like a lawn chair under the pressure. That's not something you can say about Orton.

There's no chance Orton comes back in that game. Zero. You could possibly argue he wouldn't have been down 15 at that point in the first place. That's possible, but looking at Kyle's production over his last 8 games or so, it's definitely debatable.

Being down at the end of games sometimes is part of football. It happens. You'll never go anywhere with a guy who falls apart under that pressure. Is Tebow the answer? We don't know yet. But Kyle wasn't. That was clear.

This.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 10:35 AM
LOL

They won DESPITE Tebow?! That's a good one.

Maybe you missed the last 5 minutes. It was a team effort....of which Tebow was a HUGE part.


Slurp!

55CrushEm
10-27-2011, 10:40 AM
Slurp!

Nice comeback. Man, you really are immature for a 50+ year old fart. I don't buy for one second that you're some mega-fan that many here paint you to be, either. Why should I? Just because you're old, have been to a lot of games, and are a TAILGATE NUT?!

You simply can't bring yourself to support Tebow because he's a Christian. Don't deny it....the evidence is clear.

So as you tell me to "slurp"......why don't you go eat a bag of d i c k s, you commie.

Superfan, my a $ $.

AlphaSeirra
10-27-2011, 10:47 AM
Could you post that again? I DIDN'T SEE IT THE FIRST 100 TIMES!

You f-ing :clown:

That's this weeks stats, posted it twice, once in this thread.
Liar, liar, your black hole is on fire.... :wave:

You saw it all right, but you're still to STU-PID to understand what it means, even if it was posted 1,000 times. :P

bendog
10-27-2011, 10:49 AM
yah, thanks for posting it TWICE. You're a gem.

AlphaSeirra
10-27-2011, 10:53 AM
yah, thanks for posting it TWICE. You're a gem.

Yep I am, nice family jewels alright. You been peeking in my windows again? :P

Now, why don't you explain those posted stats and make the comparisons for us. That, or just continue with your usual lack of any substantive quality posts.... :wave:

Addressing the actual/factual statistical issues seems well beyond most of those posting here. :sunshine:

jhns
10-27-2011, 10:57 AM
Does anyone actually read the alpha posts?

bendog
10-27-2011, 10:59 AM
you're absolutely right. Only an idiot would think that Breese or Cam or even Rodgers had better games than Tim and paiter. You're a ****ing genius with the smily faces too.

bendog
10-27-2011, 11:00 AM
no but they do sort of break up threads in terms of when there's actually some logical flow of information.

Dedhed
10-27-2011, 11:01 AM
It was Miami, folks. Take a deep breath.

We're Denver folks, the team that's won more games than exactly 1 NFL team since 2009.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 11:01 AM
Nice comeback. Man, you really are immature for a 50+ year old fart. I don't buy for one second that you're some mega-fan that many here paint you to be, either. Why should I? Just because you're old, have been to a lot of games, and are a TAILGATE NUT?!

You simply can't bring yourself to support Tebow because he's a Christian. Don't deny it....the evidence is clear.

So as you tell me to "slurp"......why don't you go eat a bag of d i c k s, you commie.

Superfan, my a $ $.




Never implied that I was a "SUPERFAN". I am, however a fan of the TEAM. What I am not part of is Tebows' nutcarrying brigade. In addition, I don't give a **** what you or the rest of the OM thinks of me. It makes no difference in how I lead my life, nor how I feel.

Dedhed
10-27-2011, 11:03 AM
He didn't win this game with his "talent". The team won this one despite Tebow.

So the team that was losing in spite of Orton is now winning in spite of Tebow.

Got it.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 11:05 AM
Yep I am, nice family jewels alright. You been peeking in my windows again? :P

Now, why don't you explain those posted stats and make the comparisons for us. That, or just continue with your usual lack of any substantive quality posts.... :wave:

Addressing the actual/factual statistical issues seems well beyond most of those posting here. :sunshine:


Cause stats win games. Hilarious!

AlphaSeirra
10-27-2011, 11:18 AM
I don't give a **** what you or the rest of the OM thinks of me. It makes no difference in how I lead my life, nor how I feel.

Oh please do keep that in mind everybody, when you're dissing on Tebow,

or on the fans (like myself) that defend Tim with nothing more than the actual/factual stats,

instead of just constantly running off at the vulgar mouth while being mostly clueless about the actual facts.

Haters and media morons rule the world, so just listen to them and always parrot any stupid chit that they choose to spew..... :P

AlphaSeirra
10-27-2011, 11:20 AM
Cause stats win games. Hilarious!

Not at all, any media moron (or U) knows it's the QB's 48.7 comp% that wins the games. :wave:

Crushaholic
10-27-2011, 11:29 AM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.

The worst thing about Tebow's performance Sunday is that it didn't really help to answer the most important question about him -- can he find a way to be a more consistent player in the first 55 minutes of a game? It is entertaining to watch him play and he has "intangibles". Critics don't deny that. But we cannot be legitimate Super Bowl contenders unless he finds a way to complete more passes and run more of the offense. I'm hopeful that he can. I personally think that little things like slowing the game down and learning to keep his eyes down field when he's scrambling will make a big difference. He is just flat raw and without some more evidence, neither "side" of the Tebow debate can be proven right.

If the bolded didn't happen, we lose that game. Plain and simple...

strafen
10-27-2011, 11:29 AM
Nice comeback. Man, you really are immature for a 50+ year old fart. I don't buy for one second that you're some mega-fan that many here paint you to be, either. Why should I? Just because you're old, have been to a lot of games, and are a TAILGATE NUT?!

You simply can't bring yourself to support Tebow because he's a Christian. Don't deny it....the evidence is clear.

So as you tell me to "slurp"......why don't you go eat a bag of d i c k s, you commie.

Superfan, my a $ $.Yeah, he's a superfan alright.
One thing I've noticed on this board is, stupidity gets a pass when you've been here for 6+ years and have xx,xxxx posts.

jhns
10-27-2011, 11:33 AM
If the bolded didn't happen, we lose that game. Plain and simple...

And if the kicker didn't miss two easy kicks, it wouldn't have come to that. We win by 20+ without all of that momentum going away.

NFLBRONCO
10-27-2011, 11:57 AM
I wonder though if Tebow had the exact game but, on a different team. What would you say then? I bet most would laugh at what he did against a terrible team in that situation but, since he's a Bronco its the most awesome thing ever.

It was good that he did what he did at the end he deserves credit but, let's not forget the fans that called in during game wanting Orton back in. Ok he did this against Miami can he do it against playoff teams.

bendog
10-27-2011, 12:04 PM
I wonder though if Tebow had the exact game but, on a different team. What would you say then? I bet most would laugh at what he did against a terrible team in that situation but, since he's a Bronco its the most awesome thing ever.

It was good that he did what he did at the end he deserves credit but, let's not forget the fans that called in during game wanting Orton back in. Ok he did this against Miami can he do it against playoff teams.

Oh, I'm laughing. I'm also totally uncertain if he's bust or not bust.

NFLBRONCO
10-27-2011, 12:31 PM
Oh, I'm laughing. I'm also totally uncertain if he's bust or not bust.

You are correct at this point we'll find out

bendog
10-27-2011, 12:46 PM
The only thing that really bugs me about Tebow is the comparison to Bobby Douglas. I remember seeing Bobby Douglas play. The only reason he started games for Chicago was that George Halas DID NOT WANT a quarterback.

broncosteven
10-27-2011, 03:06 PM
Yeah, he's a superfan alright.
One thing I've noticed on this board is, stupidity gets a pass when you've been here for 6+ years and have xx,xxxx posts.

I have found this to be quite the opposite, the hard way.

Punisher
10-27-2011, 03:14 PM
Smh At Tebow and the Broncos for starting him

DomCasual
10-27-2011, 03:21 PM
Yeah, he's a superfan alright.
One thing I've noticed on this board is, stupidity gets a pass when you've been here for 6+ years and have xx,xxxx posts.

Some people try and get a pass for their stupidity by changing their OM monikers. It would be like Fred Phelps waking up one morning, and saying, "My, but I have been a total douche!" - then going to the courthouse, changing his name, and telling everybody that will listen how they need to be more accepting.

Lots of different ways to run from stupidity, is all I'm saying.

DomCasual
10-27-2011, 03:23 PM
I have found this to be quite the opposite, the hard way.

I've always said that when it comes to stupidity, you are the alpha and omega.

:yayaya:

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 03:25 PM
Yeah, he's a superfan alright.
One thing I've noticed on this board is, stupidity gets a pass when you've been here for 6+ years and have xx,xxxx posts.


Aw, how sweet. You two, crying in the same bowl of milk.


All because little ol mee doesn't kiss Tebow ass.

Agamemnon
10-27-2011, 03:25 PM
My take on what 99% of the Tebow bashers don't get about playing QB in the NFL.

http://bit.ly/jWV7tK

Pretty good article.

To me the biggest head scratcher in all of this is how many people don't even seem willing to let the guy develop (Bronco fans and non-Bronco fans alike). He's clearly shown promise in clutch situations, and has only started four games. If you want to be skeptical, go for it, but writing the guy off makes no sense. Who writes off a QB after four starts? It's crazy...

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 03:28 PM
Pretty good article.

To me the biggest head scratcher in all of this is how many people don't even seem willing to let the guy develop (Bronco fans and non-Bronco fans alike). He's clearly shown promise in clutch situations, and has only started four games. If you want to be skeptical, go for it, but writing the guy off makes no sense. Who writes off a QB after four starts? It's crazy...


....and who puts a QB who hasn't shown shiate on a pedestal? It's crazy.

Blart
10-27-2011, 03:38 PM
In the NFL, winning is what matters. For some reason, 99 percent of the experts have missed that about Tebow.

That's what I loved about Plummer, everyone complained but he was fun to watch, ran well, and took us to the playoffs 3 years in a row.

If Tebow gets us to the playoffs once, even if it's a wildcard, I'll turn in my hater card.

DomCasual
10-27-2011, 03:55 PM
....and who puts a QB who hasn't shown shiate on a pedestal? It's crazy.

Seriously? That happens in every sport, in every season.

Mile High Mojoe
10-27-2011, 04:01 PM
What a fantastic write up Bravo. If Tebow's game is:

99% bad + 1% good = Win

I'll take him over all the others who are:

99% good + 1% bad = Loss

It's simple math really, "Winning is not everything it's the only thing."

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 04:43 PM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.

The worst thing about Tebow's performance Sunday is that it didn't really help to answer the most important question about him -- can he find a way to be a more consistent player in the first 55 minutes of a game? It is entertaining to watch him play and he has "intangibles". Critics don't deny that. But we cannot be legitimate Super Bowl contenders unless he finds a way to complete more passes and run more of the offense. I'm hopeful that he can. I personally think that little things like slowing the game down and learning to keep his eyes down field when he's scrambling will make a big difference. He is just flat raw and without some more evidence, neither "side" of the Tebow debate can be proven right.

Yes, we got a bounce with the onside recovery. Sparano's decision was a bad call. But as great as Fells' catch was that throw was even better. He had two covering underneath with one over the top and literally put that ball into a basketball hoop sized spot where only Fells could get it.

My focus is more on McCoy's play calling than Tebow at this point. Tebow will do what the coaches tell him to do, no matter what. You can see that. He is uncomfortable in the pocket but he's going to do what he's told. He is going to stick with the plays that are called. When Mccoy's ability to call "his" plays was essentially taken away from him by our deficit and the time remaining the choke chain was taken off of Tebow and lo and behold the offense began moving. Once we got into OT McCoy went back to his bull**** and our offense went stagnant. Christ, the posters here knew what the play call was before our O hit the line on 2/3 of the plays; what do you think Miami's D thought? Their DBs? Hell, it is no wonder nothing was there because McCoy is pure dog**** as a play caller and OC. We can't dump him midseason but he needs to go away. Fox needs an OC that will play to Tebow's strengths and not force square pegs into round holes. Move the pocket, move the QB and utilize that mobility and force DE's to respect the mobility on the boot and to stay at home. Use Tebow's mobility to make D's stay honest and it will be easier to set up a pocket on those plays where it is necessary but McCoy's playcalling is so predictable and his playbook so stale that even football neophytes can see what he's doing from a mile away; let alone NFL DCs who game plan against the guy. Christ his tendencies are written in block letters a mile high. McCoy better get Tebow on the move against Suh and company otherwise our interior line is going to get him killed because they just can not handle that guy along with Fairley. McCoy better get creative or get f'ing gone because that milque toast "sophisticated" game plan he ran last week ain't gonna cut it.

I have no doubts Tebow will progress at the position and improve because that's who he is. I have serious doubts about McCoy's ability to improve because he's a steaming pile of bovine feces.

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 04:47 PM
Cause stats win games. Hilarious!

Indeed. If they did KO would have won more than 6 games lately.

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 04:48 PM
If the bolded didn't happen, we lose that game. Plain and simple...

If Prater hits his FGs early we don't need the onside. But it happened, it all happened and Tebow led a fired up club to win a great and thrilling game.

gunns
10-27-2011, 04:57 PM
It was Miami, folks. Take a deep breath.

^This. And for those out of the loop, Tebow is starting.

The fact is he did play like **** for 55 minutes. Whether that is because he was hampered by play calling or just bad, he was the worst QB I've ever seen too. And plenty thought the same thing. Read the thread. Comparing him to Elway in any way is absurd. Yes there were a lot of games with Elway that were crap until the end, the exact reason Elway and Reeves had trouble getting along. Reeves restricted him, maybe Fox/McCoy did the saee to Tebow. That similarity does not make him like Elway. But I tend to think that may have been Tebows problem last week. One week and against Miami, I'm going to give it several more games before I crown him the savior or the worst.

tsiguy96
10-27-2011, 04:57 PM
nice article, and very true. he receives an incredible amount o criticism for a guy who only had like 14 attempts going into the mid 4th and didnt throw a single pick.

TailgateNut
10-27-2011, 05:14 PM
Indeed. If they did KO would have won more than 6 games lately.

Apparantly yu didn't read the post I responded to. The Timbow Moron Express is full.

broncosteven
10-27-2011, 05:35 PM
I've always said that when it comes to stupidity, you are the alpha and omega.

:yayaya:

That is why I like smart guys like Gene

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 05:36 PM
Pretty good article.

To me the biggest head scratcher in all of this is how many people don't even seem willing to let the guy develop (Bronco fans and non-Bronco fans alike). He's clearly shown promise in clutch situations, and has only started four games. If you want to be skeptical, go for it, but writing the guy off makes no sense. Who writes off a QB after four starts? It's crazy...

It's not even that they don't want him to develop. It is like they are personally invested in his failure. I mean FFS the nuthugging on SCam Newton is unreal and then the same yutzes will rip Tebow not recognizing that McCoy is the one that should be gameplanning for the talent he has not the talent he wishes he had. If he has any sense in his head he'll get innovative and make a name for himself on the back of Tebow instead of insisting on forcing square pegs into round holes.

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 05:46 PM
Apparantly yu didn't read the post I responded to. The Timbow Moron Express is full.

I am conducter of the Moron Express then but, yes, the stat that matters is the W and Tebow has exactly one fewer of those than Scam Newton has for the season but somehow Scam is the man and Tim is dog****.

Every "analyst" should have their career judged based on Tebow. If Tebow succeeds then they should all get ****canned because they aren't "NFL caliber talent". It's time to hold these flavor clowns to account. They hype the hell out of Kevin Kolb (who has exactly the same number of wins as Tim by the way) but will kill themselves to jump the line to crap on a guy who just led his team to a victory that had never occurred since the merger. Stink, Keyshawn, Tommy, Dilfer, Hoge, the whole lot of them should be ****canned when Tebow succeeds.

gunns
10-27-2011, 06:01 PM
That's this weeks stats, posted it twice, once in this thread.
Liar, liar, your black hole is on fire.... :wave:

You saw it all right, but you're still to STU-PID to understand what it means, even if it was posted 1,000 times. :P

And you're too stupid to realize stats NEVER tell the whole story.

strafen
10-27-2011, 06:33 PM
Yes, we got a bounce with the onside recovery. Sparano's decision was a bad call. But as great as Fells' catch was that throw was even better. He had two covering underneath with one over the top and literally put that ball into a basketball hoop sized spot where only Fells could get it.

My focus is more on McCoy's play calling than Tebow at this point. Tebow will do what the coaches tell him to do, no matter what. You can see that. He is uncomfortable in the pocket but he's going to do what he's told. He is going to stick with the plays that are called. When Mccoy's ability to call "his" plays was essentially taken away from him by our deficit and the time remaining the choke chain was taken off of Tebow and lo and behold the offense began moving. Once we got into OT McCoy went back to his bull**** and our offense went stagnant. Christ, the posters here knew what the play call was before our O hit the line on 2/3 of the plays; what do you think Miami's D thought? Their DBs? Hell, it is no wonder nothing was there because McCoy is pure dog**** as a play caller and OC. We can't dump him midseason but he needs to go away. Fox needs an OC that will play to Tebow's strengths and not force square pegs into round holes. Move the pocket, move the QB and utilize that mobility and force DE's to respect the mobility on the boot and to stay at home. Use Tebow's mobility to make D's stay honest and it will be easier to set up a pocket on those plays where it is necessary but McCoy's playcalling is so predictable and his playbook so stale that even football neophytes can see what he's doing from a mile away; let alone NFL DCs who game plan against the guy. Christ his tendencies are written in block letters a mile high. McCoy better get Tebow on the move against Suh and company otherwise our interior line is going to get him killed because they just can not handle that guy along with Fairley. McCoy better get creative or get f'ing gone because that milque toast "sophisticated" game plan he ran last week ain't gonna cut it.

I have no doubts Tebow will progress at the position and improve because that's who he is. I have serious doubts about McCoy's ability to improve because he's a steaming pile of bovine feces.

Excellent post, man!
I couldn't afree more with your assessment of McCoy. The guy's got no sense of continuity when calling the plays.
From the get go it was obvious he wanted Tebow to have a role of a game manager. That's not who Tebow is and that's not the way to show your QB you have trust in him.
Tebow seemed to be gun shy from the beginning, a lot of indecisions as if he didn't want to do the wrong thing.
Bad, bad approach.
Let's hope McCoy xomes up with something that better suits Tebow's style of play. We can only hope...

CEH
10-27-2011, 06:34 PM
Could you post that again? I DIDN'T SEE IT THE FIRST 100 TIMES!

You f-ing :clown:

Odd odd stat. All it tells me is Tebow = Painter. I would use it as a anti-Tebow argument not a Pro Tebow argument.

I'm still trying to find the stat for the most amount of yards over a WR's head. I bet Tebow on Sunday account for 25 yards and leads the league in that category

strafen
10-27-2011, 06:41 PM
I am conducter of the Moron Express then but, yes, the stat that matters is the W and Tebow has exactly one fewer of those than Scam Newton has for the season but somehow Scam is the man and Tim is dog****.

Every "analyst" should have their career judged based on Tebow. If Tebow succeeds then they should all get ****canned because they aren't "NFL caliber talent". It's time to hold these flavor clowns to account. They hype the hell out of Kevin Kolb (who has exactly the same number of wins as Tim by the way) but will kill themselves to jump the line to crap on a guy who just led his team to a victory that had never occurred since the merger. Stink, Keyshawn, Tommy, Dilfer, Hoge, the whole lot of them should be ****canned when Tebow succeeds.

I've heard a commentary on how those "analysts" have put their credibility on the line because of the Tebow overboard scrutiny

barryr
10-27-2011, 07:32 PM
Nice comeback. Man, you really are immature for a 50+ year old fart. I don't buy for one second that you're some mega-fan that many here paint you to be, either. Why should I? Just because you're old, have been to a lot of games, and are a TAILGATE NUT?!

You simply can't bring yourself to support Tebow because he's a Christian. Don't deny it....the evidence is clear.

So as you tell me to "slurp"......why don't you go eat a bag of d i c k s, you commie.

Superfan, my a $ $.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Agamemnon
10-27-2011, 07:41 PM
Yes, we got a bounce with the onside recovery. Sparano's decision was a bad call. But as great as Fells' catch was that throw was even better. He had two covering underneath with one over the top and literally put that ball into a basketball hoop sized spot where only Fells could get it.

My focus is more on McCoy's play calling than Tebow at this point. Tebow will do what the coaches tell him to do, no matter what. You can see that. He is uncomfortable in the pocket but he's going to do what he's told. He is going to stick with the plays that are called. When Mccoy's ability to call "his" plays was essentially taken away from him by our deficit and the time remaining the choke chain was taken off of Tebow and lo and behold the offense began moving. Once we got into OT McCoy went back to his bull**** and our offense went stagnant. Christ, the posters here knew what the play call was before our O hit the line on 2/3 of the plays; what do you think Miami's D thought? Their DBs? Hell, it is no wonder nothing was there because McCoy is pure dog**** as a play caller and OC. We can't dump him midseason but he needs to go away. Fox needs an OC that will play to Tebow's strengths and not force square pegs into round holes. Move the pocket, move the QB and utilize that mobility and force DE's to respect the mobility on the boot and to stay at home. Use Tebow's mobility to make D's stay honest and it will be easier to set up a pocket on those plays where it is necessary but McCoy's playcalling is so predictable and his playbook so stale that even football neophytes can see what he's doing from a mile away; let alone NFL DCs who game plan against the guy. Christ his tendencies are written in block letters a mile high. McCoy better get Tebow on the move against Suh and company otherwise our interior line is going to get him killed because they just can not handle that guy along with Fairley. McCoy better get creative or get f'ing gone because that milque toast "sophisticated" game plan he ran last week ain't gonna cut it.

I have no doubts Tebow will progress at the position and improve because that's who he is. I have serious doubts about McCoy's ability to improve because he's a steaming pile of bovine feces.

I agree with pretty every one of your points, but I think a lot of what McCoy is doing is what Fox is telling him to do. I don't think for a second that McCoy was the guy who decided to go all run in OT for instance. That was 100% Fox.

cutthemdown
10-27-2011, 08:15 PM
1987 AFC Championship... Everyone remembers 'The Drive' But up until 'The Drive' nobody remembers that Elway's play was anything but special. Meanwhile the D was grabbing turnovers left and right, some deep in Browns territory... Yet those opportunities were squandered.

Long story short, based on Elway's 60 minute performance all by it's lonesome, the Broncs lose to the Browns in 1987. 'The Drive' would've been too little too late had Elway not gotten lots of help.

Not saying Tebow has yet earned the right to carry John John's Under Armor. But at the end of the day, a gritty W is a gritty W. Credit should go where it's due.

Elway often finished a game with a QB rating about 83, with 55% completion, 1 pick 1 td and 200 yrds. But then he would pick up 3-4 big first downs with his legs, avoid a sure sack and make the game winning play. Elway wasn't a great accurate passer until later is his career when he got smarter. True Tebow is nothing compared to Elway, but let's not go making Elway into some Tom Brady, Rodgers or Manning type QB. Elway wasn't as pretty a passer as those type of qbs.

cutthemdown
10-27-2011, 08:19 PM
People bag on the o coord but the run game has improved and that has helped defense by not giving the ball up so quick all the time like last yr. Also our run d has quietly improved, not too many RBs have gotten into the endzone on us that I can recall.

The pass defense stinks though. We need more cornerbacks.

OBF1
10-27-2011, 08:34 PM
What 99% of Tebow Bashers Don't Get ?....... Laid

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 08:59 PM
I agree with pretty every one of your points, but I think a lot of what McCoy is doing is what Fox is telling him to do. I don't think for a second that McCoy was the guy who decided to go all run in OT for instance. That was 100% Fox.

That may be. And if it is the case Fox needs to recognize his offensive style has won 3 games in a season and a half of football and perhaps, just maybe, he needs to recognize the game has changed to overwhelmingly favor passing offenses. Which...coincidentally enough, also favors a spread offense. The game has changed and Fox better get that through his thick skull or he can get gone too. I hear Jeff Fisher is available.

Agamemnon
10-27-2011, 09:03 PM
That may be. And if it is the case Fox needs to recognize his offensive style has won 3 games in a season and a half of football and perhaps, just maybe, he needs to recognize the game has changed to overwhelmingly favor passing offenses. Which...coincidentally enough, also favors a spread offense. The game has changed and Fox better get that through his thick skull or he can get gone too. I hear Jeff Fisher is available.

It'd also be nice if he realized that we don't have the type of backs or o-line that can carry an offense on their own, and adjusted accordingly.

RaiderH8r
10-27-2011, 09:03 PM
It'd also be nice if he realized that we don't have the type of backs or o-line that can carry an offense on their own, and adjusted accordingly.

Yeah, that too. If he doesn't change that going into this week's game Suh is going to have a career day.

ant1999e
10-27-2011, 09:18 PM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.

The worst thing about Tebow's performance Sunday is that it didn't really help to answer the most important question about him -- can he find a way to be a more consistent player in the first 55 minutes of a game? It is entertaining to watch him play and he has "intangibles". Critics don't deny that. But we cannot be legitimate Super Bowl contenders unless he finds a way to complete more passes and run more of the offense. I'm hopeful that he can. I personally think that little things like slowing the game down and learning to keep his eyes down field when he's scrambling will make a big difference. He is just flat raw and without some more evidence, neither "side" of the Tebow debate can be proven right.



He didn't win this game with his "talent". The team won this one despite Tebow.

qft


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StugotsIII
10-27-2011, 10:13 PM
Suh is going to try and rape Tebow this Sunday...

ZONA
10-28-2011, 03:18 AM
I know this was Tebow's 4th start but I really hate to lump those other 3 with his 1st start this year. Two very different teams. Different Mgmt, different coaches, different players and so on.

Yeah, he did look very rusty early on. Yes it was Miami. But it was also on the road. I think he looked frantic really. Some of those passes he missed I think were a combination of both bad throws but also not being on the same page as the receiver.

Truthfully it's stupid to bash him at this point as well as it is to give him any glory. It is what it is. A young QB with not many live reps under center in game action. We've seen him make great throws so we know he can do it. He'll improve as he and the other players get more game reps together. I doubt they will ever look great for 60 minutes this year but I'm almost certain it will get better as time goes on. All these guys who are throwing in their comments right now trying to sum this guy up so early just shows how ridiculous they are. Give the guy the rest of the season and then let's see how he has improved. Seriously, right now you can't bash they guy and you also can't say he'll be great one day. It's just way way to early to tell either way. Just sit back and take the Tebow rollercoaster. When the ride is over at the end of the year, then you can lay some judgement.

Jay3
10-28-2011, 03:48 AM
I am conducter of the Moron Express then but, yes, the stat that matters is the W and Tebow has exactly one fewer of those than Scam Newton has for the season but somehow Scam is the man and Tim is dog****.

I hope the Broncos can see the wisdom in keeping Tim around for as long as the Broncos are competitive with him

The Broncos are not a good, deep team right now, personnel wise. They need to keep rebuilding for 2 or 3 more years. It would be a great luxury to let Tebow get better and better over that time. And they're probably not sacrificing the "win Super Bowl now" idea.

But you have to either win games or have a chance to win them. And Tebow does that. Every time so far. So I'd let him have the reins for as long as that's the case.

If he starts to show holes in his game that can't be covered, teams will eventually have an advantage that presents itself every time, and the Broncos will start seeming to be unable to win every week. (This is what happened with Orton, IMO).

barryr
10-28-2011, 04:57 AM
If all young QB's futures were determined by their 1st 4 games, most would be deemed busts. To try to state that Tebow has no chance to improve reeks of rooting for failture, not to mention stupidity. Geez, let the guy have a chance first. At least give him the same number of games Orton got.

RaiderH8r
10-28-2011, 07:13 AM
Skip just said Denver's OL, outside of Clady who is, "pretty good", is no good. I don't know if they're that bad but they certainly can't be expected to match big on big with Suh and the rest of the Detroit DL and that's where Mccoy needs to play to our offensive abilities and tools. Tools that are without Brandon Lloyd and Willis McGahee.

bendog
10-28-2011, 07:52 AM
skip bayless = mcgruder.

RaiderH8r
10-28-2011, 08:54 AM
skip bayless = mcgruder.

That may be but our interior had their hands full with Miami. We better come up with something better to deal with Suh or Mccoy should start filling out resume's...in fact he should be doing that already.

TailgateNut
10-28-2011, 09:31 AM
What 99% of Tebow Bashers Don't Get ?....... Laid

What 99% of the Teboners don't get? .......Tang!

bendog
10-28-2011, 11:01 AM
That may be but our interior had their hands full with Miami. We better come up with something better to deal with Suh or Mccoy should start filling out resume's...in fact he should be doing that already.

imo the only way to win this game is to run the ball for 100 yds by the tailbacks and another 50 by Tebow, limit his pass attempt to 15 max, limit Det's rushing offense to under 75 and make some def plays on pass attmpts.

lod01
10-28-2011, 11:42 AM
PS and five superbowl appearances and two lombardis .... AT LEAST

Whe did he get traded to Green Bay to be the waterboy?

Agamemnon
10-28-2011, 11:53 AM
imo the only way to win this game is to run the ball for 100 yds by the tailbacks and another 50 by Tebow, limit his pass attempt to 15 max, limit Det's rushing offense to under 75 and make some def plays on pass attmpts.

McCoy is that you?

broncosteven
10-28-2011, 12:20 PM
imo the only way to win this game is to run the ball for 100 yds by the tailbacks and another 50 by Tebow, limit his pass attempt to 15 max, limit Det's rushing offense to under 75 and make some def plays on pass attmpts.

McGahee is out, and KM is starting, want to adjust the preditiction?

bendog
10-28-2011, 12:35 PM
McGahee is out, and KM is starting, want to adjust the preditiction?

Not really. If they try passing Det's line will kill the Tebow. Detroit's been gashed by the run in two consecutive games. Their run d is no. 28. Shwartz said "I doubt they run of of guys to hand off the ball too."

broncosteven
10-28-2011, 02:15 PM
Not really. If they try passing Det's line will kill the Tebow. Detroit's been gashed by the run in two consecutive games. Their run d is no. 28. Shwartz said "I doubt they run of of guys to hand off the ball too."

Fair point

lod01
10-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Suh beatdown coming.

Maximus
10-28-2011, 04:09 PM
In the NFL, winning is what matters. For some reason, 99 percent of the experts have
missed that about Tebow.

Those who are stuck on style points instead of victories should go lace up your figure
skates.

This blows a hole in whatever the diatribe was. If he has a winning record this statement makes sense... Right now teblows has a losing record so the people who bash him are right! Yup I didn't read the article... didn't have to! Skip to the bottom to see the BS conclusion and just blow a hole in the rest.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
10-28-2011, 04:20 PM
I'm sorry, but I personally find this excuse for Tebow as terribly lame.

First of all, it took things beyond his control to get those 15 pts:
1) The onside kick recovery
2) Sparano's decision to go for 2pts instead of a PAT when up 12 - 0.
3) Daniel Fells' amazing catch

And secondly, you cannot suggest that he can do this on a regular basis. It's been done exactly once since 1970.

The worst thing about Tebow's performance Sunday is that it didn't really help to answer the most important question about him -- can he find a way to be a more consistent player in the first 55 minutes of a game? It is entertaining to watch him play and he has "intangibles". Critics don't deny that. But we cannot be legitimate Super Bowl contenders unless he finds a way to complete more passes and run more of the offense. I'm hopeful that he can. I personally think that little things like slowing the game down and learning to keep his eyes down field when he's scrambling will make a big difference. He is just flat raw and without some more evidence, neither "side" of the Tebow debate can be proven right.


This is absolutely retarded... there is really no situation where one player literally does it all without outside factors putting him in certain situations, it's what people do in those situations. You sound like a loser tho.

Oh, and you might as well add Praters two missed FG's in there, or else the game would have been entirely different... but of course you don't talk about that...

MagicHef
10-28-2011, 06:48 PM
This blows a hole in whatever the diatribe was. If he has a winning record this statement makes sense... Right now teblows has a losing record so the people who bash him are right! Yup I didn't read the article... didn't have to! Skip to the bottom to see the BS conclusion and just blow a hole in the rest.

2-2 is a losing record now?

Jetmeck
10-28-2011, 09:45 PM
2-2 is a losing record now?

Haters change facts to fit their argument.................F.....em

Maximus
10-28-2011, 10:27 PM
2-2 is a losing record now?

I don't consider 8-8 a winning season so how is 2-2 a winning record?

Maximus
10-28-2011, 10:29 PM
Haters change facts to fit their argument.................F.....em

It shows how sad and desperate the fanbase is when they consider .500 a winning record... .500 is mediocre!

KipCorrington25
10-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Suh is going to try and rape Tebow this Sunday...

True but he's more used to sheep.

MagicHef
10-28-2011, 11:42 PM
I don't consider 8-8 a winning season so how is 2-2 a winning record?

I did not say it was a winning record.

You did say it was a losing record.

If you're still having trouble understanding it, ask a friend to come to the computer to explain.

OABB
10-29-2011, 12:27 AM
Maximus, do you want some salt with your foot? dumbass.

OABB
10-29-2011, 12:28 AM
This blows a hole in whatever the diatribe was. If he has a winning record this statement makes sense... Right now teblows has a losing record so the people who bash him are right! Yup I didn't read the article... didn't have to! Skip to the bottom to see the BS conclusion and just blow a hole in the rest.

Quoted for awesome stupidity.

Dedhed
10-29-2011, 09:03 AM
It shows how sad and desperate the fanbase is when they consider .500 a winning record... .500 is mediocre!

Actually, no one called it a winning record. And .500 is a rather significant improvement over the .231 winning pct we've sported over the last two years without Tebow.

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:57 AM
Bump for maximus!

chickennob2
10-29-2011, 11:26 AM
WE ARE THE 99 PERCENT!

#OccupyBroncos

Maximus
10-29-2011, 12:20 PM
I did not say it was a winning record.

You did say it was a losing record.

If you're still having trouble understanding it, ask a friend to come to the computer to explain.

In the NFL, WINNING is what matters. For some reason, 99 percent of the experts have
missed that about Tebow.

Those who are stuck on style points instead of victories should go lace up your figure
skates.

Oh I understand it well donkey fan! The writer has an obvious hole in his premise... As soon as he stated that Winning in the NFL is what counts and included Teblows record as a starter as a way to refute his detractors... He lost the argument, because .500 is not considered winning. The story was biased and slanted to try and support Teblow but it was weak!

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 12:31 PM
Oh I understand it well donkey fan! The writer has an obvious hole in his premise... As soon as he stated that Winning in the NFL is what counts and included Teblows record as a starter as a way to refute his detractors... He lost the argument, because .500 is not considered winning. The story was biased and slanted to try and support Teblow but it was weak!

Great argument. He's .500 in his first 4 starts ever, so obviously he's terrible. Also, I would take 2-2 over 46-51 any time.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 12:50 PM
Great argument. He's .500 in his first 4 starts ever, so obviously he's terrible. Also, I would take 2-2 over 46-51 any time.

The point is... By NFL and sports standards he's not a winner! The weakness of that story is more apparent than the obvious flaws in teblows game. So, for the retards that want to try and support the validity of it come on! For the moron who wrote it... Try again with a better conclusion! It was so bad that I didn't have to read the body!

As far as 46-51 is concerned I don't care... I'm assuming that is either Carson Palmer or KY's starting record... I don't give a sh*t either way. If it's CP's record as a starter.... That was in Cincinnati... Not with the Raiders if it's KY's record... WGAFF about that... in either case both are better QB's than Heblows!

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 12:52 PM
Oh I understand it well donkey fan! The writer has an obvious hole in his premise... As soon as he stated that Winning in the NFL is what counts and included Teblows record as a starter as a way to refute his detractors... He lost the argument, because .500 is not considered winning. The story was biased and slanted to try and support Teblow but it was weak!

Also, now that I reread the article, Tebow's record is never brought up. He only mentions the last game.

So, I guess, great job refuting a point that was never made with stats you got completely wrong. You're really doing an impressive job.

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 12:54 PM
The point is... By NFL and sports standards he's not a winner! The weakness of that story is more apparent than the obvious flaws in teblows game. So, for the retards that want to try and support the validity of it come on! For the moron who wrote it... Try again with a better conclusion! It was so bad that I didn't have to read the body!

As far as 46-51 is concerned I don't care... I'm assuming that is either Carson Palmer or KY's starting record... I don't give a sh*t either way. If it's CP's record as a starter.... That was in Cincinnati... Not with the Raiders if it's KY's record... WGAFF about that... in either case both are better QB's than Heblows!

This is fantastic. Please never stop posting.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 01:00 PM
Also, now that I reread the article, Tebow's record is never brought up. He only mentions the last game.

So, I guess, great job refuting a point that was never made with stats you got completely wrong. You're really doing an impressive job.

Better than you obviously! As soon as the Jackass writer talks about victories over style... it's about winning and what is his record? I didn't write his weak ass conclusion! If you want to talk about winning versus style... Lets look at winning versus style... So far he's not winning! .500 is not a winning record... Therefore, his style has not been vindicated by his record!

frerottenextelway
10-29-2011, 01:08 PM
He doubled our win total this year in his first start.

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 01:10 PM
Better than you obviously! As soon as the Jackass writer talks about victories over style... it's about winning and what is his record? I didn't write his weak ass conclusion! If you want to talk about winning versus style... Lets look at winning versus style... So far he's not winning! .500 is not a winning record... Therefore, his style has not been vindicated by his record!

Well, it has been vindicated more than the style of, to pick 3 quarterbacks at random, Carson Palmer, Kyle Boller, or Jason Campbell.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 01:16 PM
Well, it has been vindicated more than the style of, to pick 3 quarterbacks at random, Carson Palmer, Kyle Boller, or Jason Campbell.

Try again... this is not about CP, Boller, or Campbell! Your hero doesn't have a winning record, no matter how you or anyone else tries to spin it or slice it!
matter of fact he even lost that last bowl game... hype it up... go ahead!

teknic
10-29-2011, 02:05 PM
It shows how sad and desperate the fanbase is when they consider .500 a winning record... .500 is mediocre!

No one here is content with a .500 record overall or we'd be in love with what Orton can do for us, but .500 for a young QB on a bad team is okay. It was pointed out to you that Tebow has gone 2-2 in his first 4 starts in the NFL because you incorrectly stated that he has a losing record. He does not currently have a losing record, but .500 is also not a winning record. By definition, he has not lost more games than he has won (and vice versa), so he is neither a losing or winning QB at the moment.

Anyways, Orton was not a winning QB with the Broncos, so it's time to move on. I do happen to think Tebow can be successful in the NFL, but I've tried to remain objective about where he is as a passer. He obviously has some work to do; Tebow's afraid of throwing interceptions, quick to run, and rarely has his feet completely set when he's throwing. However, if Mike McCoy wanted to help Tebow out, he would have Tebow in the gun, be running a bunch of short crossing routes, working the play action bootlegs with a flood to the left, and stop handicapping him on third down by calling a QB draw every damn time. If McCoy keeps that run game going and mixes in some short slants out of the gun, I think Tebow could be successful because those routes will either be open in man coverage (if our receivers can get some separation), or will pull the linebackers into coverage when the defense is playing zone and that hesitation should allow Tebow to run plenty (which is also a great strength to his game that should be utilized. I know you don't want to get your QB hit, but Tebow will take care of himself.)

As a Raider fan, wouldn't you love to have seen .500 more than once in the past 8 years? Hilarious!:smashraid

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 02:06 PM
Try again... this is not about CP, Boller, or Campbell! Your hero doesn't have a winning record, no matter how you or anyone else tries to spin it or slice it!
matter of fact he even lost that last bowl game... hype it up... go ahead!

Yikes. Let's try this again.

No one ever tried to claim he has a winning record. No one spun it that way. There has been exactly one person in this thread that was wrong about his record, and that was you.

Personally, I am quite happy about his .500 record, and if he manages to maintain it throughout the rest of the season, I believe the vast majority of Broncos fans will be pleased with it as well.

Now, please find another way to put words in my mouth and make a stupidly incorrect argument against that, because if nothing else, it is entertaining.

OABB
10-29-2011, 02:06 PM
Try again... this is not about CP, Boller, or Campbell! Your hero doesn't have a winning record, no matter how you or anyone else tries to spin it or slice it!
matter of fact he even lost that last bowl game... hype it up... go ahead!

Want to invalidate an argument? Fine try this. You called 2-2 a losing record...argument invalid.

cutthemdown
10-29-2011, 02:13 PM
The point is... By NFL and sports standards he's not a winner! The weakness of that story is more apparent than the obvious flaws in teblows game. So, for the retards that want to try and support the validity of it come on! For the moron who wrote it... Try again with a better conclusion! It was so bad that I didn't have to read the body!

As far as 46-51 is concerned I don't care... I'm assuming that is either Carson Palmer or KY's starting record... I don't give a sh*t either way. If it's CP's record as a starter.... That was in Cincinnati... Not with the Raiders if it's KY's record... WGAFF about that... in either case both are better QB's than Heblows!

Palmer was a desperate move and you know it. It's pure myopia to think he is worth a first round pick, let alone a 2nd as well. Let's stop the 2 firsts nonsense because Raiders are never going to win the AFC under Palmer. He had big time elbow problems just last yr and yr before, lost all his mobility with the ACL destruction, and has always thrown way too many interceptions. If anything Raiders just go back to Campbell as soon as he is healed.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 02:33 PM
Palmer was a desperate move and you know it. It's pure myopia to think he is worth a first round pick, let alone a 2nd as well. Let's stop the 2 firsts nonsense because Raiders are never going to win the AFC under Palmer. He had big time elbow problems just last yr and yr before, lost all his mobility with the ACL destruction, and has always thrown way too many interceptions. If anything Raiders just go back to Campbell as soon as he is healed.

Nice try if we were talking about CP... But we're talking about Teblow and that ****ed up article.

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 02:37 PM
Also, Maximus, your attempts at disallowing any comparison between Tebow and other QBs, even using only the stat you keep wanting to judge Tebow by, win percentage, is very transparent. By this measure, Tebow is the second best QB in the AFCW, behind only Rivers.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 02:40 PM
Want to invalidate an argument? Fine try this. You called 2-2 a losing record...argument invalid.

LOL Either you win or you lose in this league... did he win more than he lost?
Can you say he's a winner in the sports world?

OABB
10-29-2011, 02:41 PM
Nice try if we were talking about CP... But we're talking about Teblow and that ****ed up article.

Silly me. I thought we were talking about how stupid you were to say 2-2 was a losing record and how you tried to lie your way out of it by saying it wasnt a winning record when NO ONE HERE EVAAAAAAAARRRRRR SAID THAT.

That is an awesome discussion. Can we go back to that one?

OABB
10-29-2011, 02:43 PM
LOL Either you win or you lose in this league... did he win more than he lost?
Can you say he's a winner in the sports world?

Not anymore than you can say loser. Also most people factor in age, interim coaches, play calling and overall team suckage into it as well when they are optimistic.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 02:52 PM
Also, Maximus, your attempts at disallowing any comparison between Tebow and other QBs, even using only the stat you keep wanting to judge Tebow by, win percentage, is very transparent. By this measure, Tebow is the second best QB in the AFCW, behind only Rivers.

Oh I see... if you bring in all the QB's into the argument... It only makes my point stronger...

If you choose to do this... I have to include the half a game that he played in and lost! this would put him under .500 making him a clear losing qb! Second, the article is about Tebow it has nothing to do with anyone except him. So, i'm choosing to judge him and only him. He should be able to stand on his own record right? His record is 2-2 or 2-2.5

Again, the writer talked about winning versus style. I'm sticking to winning versus style. Not QB ratings... I'm in the 99% who this writer was talking about and I see a 2-2 record. That doesn't prove the writers point!

Maximus
10-29-2011, 03:04 PM
Not anymore than you can say loser. Also most people factor in age, interim coaches, play calling and overall team suckage into it as well when they are optimistic.

Ok points taken... However, the article ended with the conclusion that people see his style versus the victories and those people are supposed to be blind because they are only looking at style right? Well, the victories aspect is not supporting the conclusion... His percentage is .500 which in sports can be viewed as unsavory. The fact that I can say it's unsavory points out the weakness of the conclusion. The article failed! My argument is not about the idea that he could be improving or about the level of competition or any other player. If you win against Detroit and he writes this article there is no hole in the logic. However, as it stands now there is a gaping hole.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 03:13 PM
Silly me. I thought we were talking about how stupid you were to say 2-2 was a losing record and how you tried to lie your way out of it by saying it wasnt a winning record when NO ONE HERE EVAAAAAAAARRRRRR SAID THAT.

That is an awesome discussion. Can we go back to that one?

Funny dude...

I can say its not a winning record. However, you can't say for certain that it's a winning record. The best you can do is say is they almost had a winning record.. Winning is a scale.. The only way to say that one has won is to have more weights on the winning side...

Agamemnon
10-29-2011, 03:59 PM
This message is hidden because Maximus is on your ignore list.

(I seriously recommend this to all Bronco fans that value their brain cells. Discussing the Broncos, especially Tebow, with this fool is worse than huffing on paint cans.)

OABB
10-29-2011, 04:04 PM
Ok points taken... However, the article ended with the conclusion that people see his style versus the victories and those people are supposed to be blind because they are only looking at style right? Well, the victories aspect is not supporting the conclusion... His percentage is .500 which in sports can be viewed as unsavory. The fact that I can say it's unsavory points out the weakness of the conclusion. The article failed! My argument is not about the idea that he could be improving or about the level of competition or any other player. If you win against Detroit and he writes this article there is no hole in the logic. However, as it stands now there is a gaping hole.

2.5-2 is more accurate actually if you want to count that game. Which you dont because it showed the awesomess of Tebow.

Yoi are a raiders fan and obviously threatened by tebow so I understand the hateboner at least. Its sad when its one of our own.

Mile High Mojoe
10-29-2011, 04:29 PM
This message is hidden because Maximus is on your ignore list.

(I seriously recommend this to all Bronco fans that value their brain cells. Discussing the Broncos, especially Tebow, with this fool is worse than huffing on paint cans.)

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Maximus vs Mr. T

Maximus
10-29-2011, 06:27 PM
2.5-2 is more accurate actually if you want to count that game. Which you dont because it showed the awesomess of Tebow.

Yoi are a raiders fan and obviously threatened by tebow so I understand the hateboner at least. Its sad when its one of our own.

Ok let's count them all that puts his percentage at .444 losing record

Maximus
10-29-2011, 06:33 PM
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Maximus vs Mr. T

That's funny I put this racist bastard on ignore so **** him!

OABB
10-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Ok let's count them all that puts his percentage at .444 losing record

Brain is smoking...what the hell is this?

Maximus
10-29-2011, 06:38 PM
Brain is smoking...what the hell is this?

LOL has the banning screwed up your brain? If you include all of his play at qb that's 4.5 games he lost the game that he replaced Orton... that would put him at .444

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 07:15 PM
Oh I see... if you bring in all the QB's into the argument... It only makes my point stronger...

If you choose to do this... I have to include the half a game that he played in and lost! this would put him under .500 making him a clear losing qb! Second, the article is about Tebow it has nothing to do with anyone except him. So, i'm choosing to judge him and only him. He should be able to stand on his own record right? His record is 2-2 or 2-2.5

Again, the writer talked about winning versus style. I'm sticking to winning versus style. Not QB ratings... I'm in the 99% who this writer was talking about and I see a 2-2 record. That doesn't prove the writers point!

What? If I do something completely logical in comparing the same position between several teams, you "have to" equate a half of football coming in cold from the bench to a start? I hate to break this to you, but not everyone is quite that stupid. There's a reason that statistics are kept for a QB's starts and not for every game they play in.

Even if I were to grant you that extraordinarily idiotic point, the Broncos outscored the Chargers 14-6 in the half that Tebow played, and only lost because of the 13 point defecit courtesy of Orton. If we really were to include that half, it should make Tebow's record 2.5-2. Or, conversely, you could just accept that Tebow's record is 2-2 (which it is).

OABB
10-29-2011, 07:46 PM
LOL has the banning screwed up your brain? If you include all of his play at qb that's 4.5 games he lost the game that he replaced Orton... that would put him at .444

My post said 2.5-2. meaning I was counting his comeback as a half win. As any smart person would do if the game were going to be used in an argument dummy.

And no one but you is making that argument anyways.

So for the record...you have argued two losing points.

Mane 2- you zero.


Loser.

Moops should right an article about you.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 09:39 PM
My post said 2.5-2. meaning I was counting his comeback as a half win. As any smart person would do if the game were going to be used in an argument dummy.

And no one but you is making that argument anyways.

So for the record...you have argued two losing points.

Mane 2- you zero.


Loser.

Moops should right an article about you.

Morons all of you!!!! You can't count a comeback as a half a win... a win is a win you jackass! The game where he played the second half would be counted if you want to include it... The point is .500 is not a winning record 99 percent of the sports world outside of jackass land would consider it a losing record until you hit over .500 All of you are less than retarded!

Maximus
10-29-2011, 09:48 PM
What? If I do something completely logical in comparing the same position between several teams, you "have to" equate a half of football coming in cold from the bench to a start? I hate to break this to you, but not everyone is quite that stupid. There's a reason that statistics are kept for a QB's starts and not for every game they play in.

Even if I were to grant you that extraordinarily idiotic point, the Broncos outscored the Chargers 14-6 in the half that Tebow played, and only lost because of the 13 point defecit courtesy of Orton. If we really were to include that half, it should make Tebow's record 2.5-2. Or, conversely, you could just accept that Tebow's record is 2-2 (which it is).

This is the dumbest **** I've ever heard... coming in cold my ass! He played and freaking lost. This thread had nothing to do with anyone except Teblows. You brought in the stupid **** about other QB's in an attempt to inflate his stats versus the AFCW... If you want to do that then you must include all the stats... The only logical way to do that is to give him half a game. I am just a step ahead and smarter than you jackass fan.

You wanted to inflate his numbers without consequence but I was 1 step ahead and cut you off... but your stupidity and blind homerism prevents all of you heblowers from seeing any part of the truth.

Remember you brought up Palmer and Boller... dip****!

BroncsCheer
10-29-2011, 09:50 PM
Morons all of you!!!! You can't count a comeback as a half a win... a win is a win you jackass! The game where he played the second half would be counted if you want to include it... The point is .500 is not a winning record 99 percent of the sports world outside of jackass land would consider it a losing record until you hit over .500 All of you are less than retarded!

I know I'm nibbling troll power bait here but I have try to point out to Mensa here that if he wants to open up the discussion by including the 2nd half of the DEN-SD game the he shoul look at the points scored by Den vs the point scored by SD in that half of football (14 for Den, 6 for SD). Silliness of calculating win pctg off half-games aside, that's a 1/2 win for Den.

OABB
10-29-2011, 09:52 PM
Morons all of you!!!! You can't count a comeback as a half a win... a win is a win you jackass! The game where he played the second half would be counted if you want to include it... The point is .500 is not a winning record 99 percent of the sports world outside of jackass land would consider it a losing record until you hit over .500 All of you are less than retarded!

Maxipad, I wasnt counting it as a win. You called it a loss and I responded that if You, maxanus were going to count it as anything, a win is more accurate.


Again you are throwing jabs into your own face here. Its funny, but Im starting to think you arent joking.

Skipper
10-29-2011, 10:00 PM
Well I agree with the raider fan. .500 is not a winning record. Until a team or athlete that plays a individual sport wins more than half, that player or athlete is considered unsatisfactory but possibly rising. The scale example was the perfect analysis. Until the scale goes past the mid point its not winning.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:04 PM
Maxipad, I wasnt counting it as a win. You called it a loss and I responded that if You, maxanus were going to count it as anything, a win is more accurate.


Again you are throwing jabs into your own face here. Its funny, but Im starting to think you arent joking.

How can you possibly count a game that was lost by the team a win? Sure there was a comeback but his comeback fell short! It is a loss no matter how you try to spin it!

Therefore, why would I count the game that dungver lost as a win?

Skipper
10-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Maxipad, I wasnt counting it as a win. You called it a loss and I responded that if You, maxanus were going to count it as anything, a win is more accurate.


Again you are throwing jabs into your own face here. Its funny, but Im starting to think you arent joking.

What? I'm confused. Tebow played the second half and didn't win so how can you say it could be looked at like a win? You are speaking of the game that Orton begged out of right?

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:26 PM
What? I'm confused. Tebow played the second half and didn't win so how can you say it could be looked at like a win? You are speaking of the game that Orton begged out of right?

LOL don't let them confuse you. They are full of ****! That sorry SOB played half a game and fell short and lost. They only want to talk about the kid when it's completely positive. Lord forbid anyone mentions that he ****ed up! The writer ****ed up by trying to make teblows more of a winner at this point than he really is.

It's laughable... these jackasses cannot read or comprehend!

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:27 PM
Is this happening?

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:28 PM
Am I dreaming?

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:29 PM
I DIDNT COUNT IT MORONS. MAXIMUS DID...AS A LOSS...ON TEBOWS RECORD...I RESPONDED.


JESUS ****ING CHRIST.

you guys are tgn stupid now.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:30 PM
Yeah... you're smoking dope and you're confused!

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:35 PM
Yeah... you're smoking dope and you're confused!

Lol... More like talking to a dope and getting confused. I think. 500 is NOT a winning record...you think its a losing record. You also count a failed comeback off the bench as a half loss.

Just clarifying for you. Im not sure you can retain info.

And if you are trolling, its well done ****er. Having an anger stroke.

Skipper
10-29-2011, 10:38 PM
I DIDNT COUNT IT MORONS. MAXIMUS DID...AS A LOSS...ON TEBOWS RECORD...I RESPONDED.


JESUS ****ING CHRIST.

you guys are tgn stupid now.

You did respond and you did say it should be counted as a win if anything. His point seems to be based on trying to compare all the other players or trying to incorporate them into the mix. If you do that I think he's saying that the fair way to compare is to give half a loss or don't compare.

Am I right?

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:40 PM
I DIDNT COUNT IT MORONS. MAXIMUS DID...AS A LOSS...ON TEBOWS RECORD...I RESPONDED.


JESUS ****ING CHRIST.

you guys are tgn stupid now.


I didn't count it... I said if you want to include everyone else you would have to include all of teblows stats... that would mean all of his stats. So how could you possibly make a comparison that includes those stats but not give him credit for a loss?

bowtown
10-29-2011, 10:44 PM
I didn't count it... I said if you want to include everyone else you would have to include all of teblows stats... that would mean all of his stats. So how could you possibly make a comparison that includes those stats but not give him credit for a loss?

He didn't lose those games. The other teams just failed at giving them away.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:44 PM
Lol... More like talking to a dope and getting confused. I think. 500 is NOT a winning record...you think its a losing record. You also count a failed comeback off the bench as a half loss.

Just clarifying for you. Im not sure you can retain info.

And if you are trolling, its well done ****er. Having an anger stroke.

LOL don't have a stroke (Seriously) I think you missed the point. The other poster wanted to include stats from Boller, campbell and Palmer... I then turned around and said... I'm not going to do it basically because of the extra stats that would have to be thrown out and it would count as a loss for Tebow if you do it fairly.

So, I was actually giving him the benefit of the doubt because the half game would bring his percentage under .500

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 10:45 PM
Well I agree with the raider fan. .500 is not a winning record. Until a team or athlete that plays a individual sport wins more than half, that player or athlete is considered unsatisfactory but possibly rising. The scale example was the perfect analysis. Until the scale goes past the mid point its not winning.

Wow. Please try rereading the posts. No one is saying it is a winning record. We are saying he's .500. The Raiders fan you are agreeing with is trying to say .500 is a losing record.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:45 PM
He didn't lose those games. The other teams just failed at giving them away.

LOL

The funny thing on this thread is... I was not attacking Tebow... I was attacking the article used to defend tebow and pointed out a flaw!

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:47 PM
You did respond and you did say it should be counted as a win if anything. His point seems to be based on trying to compare all the other players or trying to incorporate them into the mix. If you do that I think he's saying that the fair way to compare is to give half a loss or don't compare.

Am I right?

No. I'm saying 2-2 is Tebows record and it is not a losing record. Thats my premise. Its pretty awesome in its fact based awesomeness...and reslly hould have ended there.

He said its a losing record. Then he realized how stupid and dumb and stupid and dumb and stupid that was so he backed up on that one.

Than he tried to slip in the turd that tebows failed comrback is a loss on his record...YES HE REALLY SAID THAT STUPID AND DUMB STUPID DUMB THING!

so I responded that if its to be counted it should count as a win...

Or for ****s sake....just read the thread and pay attention....i shoukdnt even have to explain this.

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 10:48 PM
LOL don't have a stroke (Seriously) I think you missed the point. The other poster wanted to include stats from Boller, campbell and Palmer... I then turned around and said... I'm not going to do it basically because of the extra stats that would have to be thrown out and it would count as a loss for Tebow if you do it fairly.

So, I was actually giving him the benefit of the doubt because the half game would bring his percentage under .500

So the fact that Tebow started that game 13 points in the hole means nothing and should be ignored?

OABB
10-29-2011, 10:51 PM
LOL don't have a stroke (Seriously) I think you missed the point. The other poster wanted to include stats from Boller, campbell and Palmer... I then turned around and said... I'm not going to do it basically because of the extra stats that would have to be thrown out and it would count as a loss for Tebow if you do it fairly.

So, I was actually giving him the benefit of the doubt because the half game would bring his percentage under .500

I understood this...however tebow didnt START so its a non existant stat anyway. I was going on the premise that this was understood. Since you were bringing a fantasy stat into the argument I found it fitting to make it at least more realistic.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:56 PM
So the fact that Tebow started that game 13 points in the hole means nothing and should be ignored?

We're not talking about that dude! Nobody is taking anything away from his performance! WTF is wrong with you!!! However, if you want to use that as a reference to the article... The Broncos still lost that game! If you want to give him credit and try to compare him to other QB's who have started and played full games. Then you have to look at the fact that he accumulated stats in that game and he also was a part of the loss of that game.

You cannot extricate him from the loss... So, if you... NOT OABB want to include other QB's into the equation to try and make a point you must consider all of the factors.

Tebow played a full half and lost... Carson Palmer and Boller played half games and lost... You brought them up dummy! I told you they weren't part of the equation!

Maximus
10-29-2011, 10:59 PM
I understood this...however tebow didnt START so its a non existant stat anyway. I wad going on the premisr that this was understood. Since you were bring a fantasy stat into the argument I found it fitting to make it more realistic.


Exactly and this is what I said to MajHef? Palmer didn't start but if you try to true them up and make a comparison... you have to do it fairly... Get me?

OABB
10-29-2011, 11:00 PM
Exactly and this is what I said to MajHef? Palmer didn't start but if you try to true them up and make a comparison... you have to do it fairly... Get me?

Yes.

Now....Tebow rules...agreed?

teknic
10-29-2011, 11:01 PM
We're not talking about that dude! Nobody is taking anything away from his performance! WTF is wrong with you!!! However, if you want to use that as a reference to the article... The Broncos still lost that game! If you want to give him credit and try to compare him to other QB's who have started and played full games. Then you have to look at the fact that he accumulated stats in that game and he also was a part of the loss of that game.

You cannot extricate him from the loss... So, if you... NOT OABB want to include other QB's into the equation to try and make a point you must consider all of the factors.

Tebow played a full half and lost... Carson Palmer and Boller played half games and lost... You brought them up dummy! I told you they weren't part of the equation!

In the half Tebow played, he outscored the Chargers. In the time he was in the game, he scored more points than the other team. How can that be counted as a loss?

I really don't know why this thread has gone so long. Maximus is an idiot raider troll.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 11:05 PM
In the half Tebow played, he outscored the Chargers. In the time he was in the game, he scored more points than the other team. How can that be counted as a loss?

I really don't know why this thread has gone so long. Maximus is an idiot raider troll.

Did the broncos win...? Is teblow part of the team or is he just a figment of everyone's imagination?

Skipper
10-29-2011, 11:09 PM
No. I'm saying 2-2 is Tebows record and it is not a losing record. Thats my premise. Its pretty awesome in its fact based awesomeness...and reslly hould have ended there.

He said its a losing record. Then he realized how stupid and dumb and stupid and dumb and stupid that was so he backed up on that one.

Than he tried to slip in the turd that tebows failed comrback is a loss on his record...YES HE REALLY SAID THAT STUPID AND DUMB STUPID DUMB THING!

so I responded that if its to be counted it should count as a win...

Or for ****s sake....just read the thread and pay attention....i shoukdnt even have to explain this.

I think you ignored the stuff the other poster said

teknic
10-29-2011, 11:09 PM
Did the broncos win...? Is teblow part of the team or is he just a figment of everyone's imagination?

You're counting the half he didn't play against him... Why stop there, let's just count every game in Broncos history that we lost and Tebow wasn't a part of.

Skipper
10-29-2011, 11:13 PM
In the half Tebow played, he outscored the Chargers. In the time he was in the game, he scored more points than the other team. How can that be counted as a loss?

I really don't know why this thread has gone so long. Maximus is an idiot raider troll.

LOL really OMG for real. If a boxer wins all the rounds and gets knocked out in the last round did he win. Jesus and the raider fan is being called dumb?

Maximus
10-29-2011, 11:15 PM
Yes.

Now....Tebow rules...agreed?


Hell no.. I'm gonna bash him in another thread! LOL

OABB
10-29-2011, 11:17 PM
Hell no.. I'm gonna bash him in another thread! LOL

Ill see you there!

Maximus
10-29-2011, 11:19 PM
LOL really OMG for real. If a boxer wins all the rounds and gets knocked out in the last round did he win. Jesus and the raider fan is being called dumb?

LOL Skipper... They get blinded with rage when you talk about lil timmy!

Maximus
10-29-2011, 11:20 PM
Ill see you there!

OK It was fun... Take some blood pressure medicine and call it a night! lol

Skipper
10-29-2011, 11:24 PM
I guess they do. I'm a casual observer of the afcw and I like tebow. I'm just waiting to see what actually happens

Maximus
10-29-2011, 11:27 PM
I guess they do. I'm a casual observer of the afcw and I like tebow. I'm just waiting to see what actually happens


LOL I'm gonna have to bash you too then

MagicHef
10-29-2011, 11:34 PM
We're not talking about that dude! Nobody is taking anything away from his performance! WTF is wrong with you!!! However, if you want to use that as a reference to the article... The Broncos still lost that game! If you want to give him credit and try to compare him to other QB's who have started and played full games. Then you have to look at the fact that he accumulated stats in that game and he also was a part of the loss of that game.

You cannot extricate him from the loss... So, if you... NOT OABB want to include other QB's into the equation to try and make a point you must consider all of the factors.

Tebow played a full half and lost... Carson Palmer and Boller played half games and lost... You brought them up dummy! I told you they weren't part of the equation!

I didn't bring up Palmer and Boller because they each played a half this past week, I brought them up because they are the Raiders' QBs.

If you want to include Tebow's half game, you need to include the snaps he played in games last year. You also need to include any partial games that Palmer, Boller, Rivers, Volek, Cassel, Palko, Orton and Quinn have in their careers. Go ahead and get back to me on that. Our we could, you know, use the official NFL stats.

Skipper
10-29-2011, 11:34 PM
I don't think you will bash me. I think tebow will be middle of the pack and win some games but I think there is way too much hype surrounding him.

cutthemdown
10-29-2011, 11:55 PM
Nice try if we were talking about CP... But we're talking about Teblow and that ****ed up article.

Exactly youre team being ran by Amy Trask and a run of the mill NFL head coach is not exactly something i would want to talk about either. The Raiders will sink sink sink, then at some point Mark Davis will sell a big portion to someone rich, then maybe the Raiders will be good again. Seriously Raider fans have no idea how bad its going to get.

Maximus
10-29-2011, 11:58 PM
I didn't bring up Palmer and Boller because they each played a half this past week, I brought them up because they are the Raiders' QBs.

If you want to include Tebow's half game, you need to include the snaps he played in games last year. You also need to include any partial games that Palmer, Boller, Rivers, Volek, Cassel, Palko, Orton and Quinn have in their careers. Go ahead and get back to me on that. Our we could, you know, use the official NFL stats.

Well on that you would be correct. I think you see where I'm coming from too. I didn't want to take away from the 2-2 record he has. But if we compare him he has to be compared wins and losses and statistically.

LOL this is why I would not talk about other QB's because it muddies the water. Do you count the stats and forget the fact that that the team lost the game (Rhetorical Question) how do you compensate for that statistically ... the only way is by adding half a loss.... (Again Rhetorical)

Again, my sole purpose was to point out an obvious hole in the conclusion of the article. The fact that .500 cannot be considered an absolute winning record creates enough room in a debate to nullify the point of the article. As long as I can say .500 is not a winning record and the opposition cannot say with out a doubt that .500 is a winning record... I'm winning the debate... that was the sole point!

Anywho... using the stats that teblows has right now put him deceptively at the top of the heap. But we all know he's not one of the best at this point!

cutthemdown
10-29-2011, 11:59 PM
Trying to evaluate Tebow at this point is stupid. Any article analyzing his stats and wins to try and determine future success is likewise a joke. How can you talk about an article that is just one of a ton of premature articles? Let's see how much better he gets from actually playing games and getting the first team reps in practice. By the end of this yr we should know whether or not Tebow worth starting next yr.

Broncos still a ways off but they are getting younger, and at least defending the run much better. Broncos need big time help still though, at least 2-3 starters on defense and maybe now some weapons for Tebow.

IMO we still need TE and RBs for him, maybe even another WR now depending how Thomas finishes the yr.

I think he needs some rbs who are the Sproles type make plays in space, catch a lot of balls etc.

Maximus
10-30-2011, 12:01 AM
Exactly you're team being ran by Amy Trask and a run of the mill NFL head coach is not exactly something i would want to talk about either. The Raiders will sink sink sink, then at some point Mark Davis will sell a big portion to someone rich, then maybe the Raiders will be good again. Seriously Raider fans have no idea how bad its going to get.

Nice try! I know you're trying to bait me... It doesn't work. You'll wind up pissing off the donkey ladies that post here... you chauvinist... The assumption that Trask isn't qualified because she's a woman is less than a neanderthal thought process LOL!

Maximus
10-30-2011, 12:03 AM
Trying to evaluate Tebow at this point is stupid. Any article analyzing his stats and wins to try and determine future success is likewise a joke. How can you talk about an article that is just one of a ton of premature articles? Let's see how much better he gets from actually playing games and getting the first team reps in practice. By the end of this yr we should know whether or not Tebow worth starting next yr.

Broncos still a ways off but they are getting younger, and at least defending the run much better. Broncos need big time help still though, at least 2-3 starters on defense and maybe now some weapons for Tebow.

IMO we still need TE and RBs for him, maybe even another WR now depending how Thomas finishes the yr.

I think he needs some rbs who are the Sproles type make plays in space, catch a lot of balls etc.

You won't get an dispute out of me on this post! Rep! you stinking bastage!

cutthemdown
10-30-2011, 12:48 AM
Nice try! I know you're trying to bait me... It doesn't work. You'll wind up pissing off the donkey ladies that post here... you chauvinist... The assumption that Trask isn't qualified because she's a woman is less than a neanderthal thought process LOL!

She's qualified to organize the legal team for lawsuits, but not make football decisions. That's why the head coach is getting full control.

cutthemdown
10-30-2011, 12:51 AM
If Tebow can stay healthy running the ball 15 times a game, and get better taking ball from under the center, and get even avg at throwing the ball, he could win a lot of games Maximus.

MagicHef
10-30-2011, 01:19 AM
Again, my sole purpose was to point out an obvious hole in the conclusion of the article. The fact that .500 cannot be considered an absolute winning record creates enough room in a debate to nullify the point of the article. As long as I can say .500 is not a winning record and the opposition cannot say with out a doubt that .500 is a winning record... I'm winning the debate... that was the sole point!

Hilarious that this is the position you managed to backtrack to after claiming Tebow had a losing record.

Doggcow
10-30-2011, 01:23 AM
Tebow Bashers ARE the 99%

OABB
10-30-2011, 07:46 AM
Hilarious that this is the position you managed to backtrack to after claiming Tebow had a losing record.

Qft.

Maximus
10-30-2011, 07:57 AM
Hilarious that this is the position you managed to backtrack to after claiming Tebow had a losing record.

3 words... You are retarded!

Dedhed
10-30-2011, 08:30 AM
LOL really OMG for real. If a boxer wins all the rounds and gets knocked out in the last round did he win. Jesus and the raider fan is being called dumb?
This is among the worst analogies I've ever heard. There isn't an applicable word to the thread in the entire thing.

TheReverend
10-30-2011, 08:37 AM
3 words... You are retarded!

No. Seriously. You're an idiot.

Cito Pelon
10-30-2011, 08:52 AM
Trying to evaluate Tebow at this point is stupid. Any article analyzing his stats and wins to try and determine future success is likewise a joke. How can you talk about an article that is just one of a ton of premature articles? Let's see how much better he gets from actually playing games and getting the first team reps in practice. By the end of this yr we should know whether or not Tebow worth starting next yr.

Broncos still a ways off but they are getting younger, and at least defending the run much better. Broncos need big time help still though, at least 2-3 starters on defense and maybe now some weapons for Tebow.

IMO we still need TE and RBs for him, maybe even another WR now depending how Thomas finishes the yr.

I think he needs some rbs who are the Sproles type make plays in space, catch a lot of balls etc.

Yeah, the D needs upgrade still, but Fells seems like a great signing. RB yeah, WR yeah. Maybe Moreno will finally be the player he was supposed to be.

OABB
10-30-2011, 08:57 AM
3 words... You are retarded!

Sorry maximuff, thats exactly what happened.

Skipper
10-30-2011, 09:06 AM
This is among the worst analogies I've ever heard. There isn't an applicable word to the thread in the entire thing.

Dedhed, your username says it all. I've visited a lot of sites and I have to say tis site is loaded people who reflect your mentality. It's too bad. There are people with good stuff to say but most of that is drowned out by the likes of you.

Maximus
10-30-2011, 09:36 AM
No. Seriously. You're an idiot.

That makes me at minimum 10 times smarter than you. LOL I finally listened to a podcast so I understand... I've got the full picture Hilarious! you sound like a dweeb... stop talking through your nose biatch!

Dedhed
10-30-2011, 09:48 AM
Dedhed, your username says it all. I've visited a lot of sites and I have to say tis site is loaded people who reflect your mentality. It's too bad. There are people with good stuff to say but most of that is drowned out by the likes of you.

Wow. I've never heard such an original comment regarding my UN, well done. Using a boxing analogy, which is an individual sport, and trying to relate it to football, is the exact stupidity you describe above.

TheReverend
10-30-2011, 09:49 AM
That makes me at minimum 10 times smarter than you. LOL I finally listened to a podcast so I understand... I've got the full picture Hilarious! you sound like a dweeb... stop talking through your nose biatch!

....ooooookay? ::)