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Bob's your Information Minister
10-24-2011, 10:45 PM
51 dropbacks

25 under pressure (this is an extremely high amount compared to other QBs)

under pressure: 14 attempts, 4 completions, 56 yards, six sacks... :oyvey:

2 TD, 0 INT. :wiggle:

When blitzed: 3-12, 36 yards, 5 sacks.... :oyvey:

3 TD, 0 INT. :wiggle:

Food for thought.

ScottXray
10-24-2011, 10:51 PM
51 dropbacks

25 under pressure (this is an extremely high amount compared to other QBs)

under pressure: 14 attempts, 4 completions, 56 yards, six sacks... :oyvey:

2 TD, 0 INT. :wiggle:

When blitzed: 3-12, 36 yards, 5 sacks.... :oyvey:

3 TD, 0 INT. :wiggle:

Food for thought.

Makes me think that .
1. Tebow holds the ball too long. ( True)
2. Our pass protection is pretty poor ( also true ..he did not have a clean pocket for much more than 2.5 seconds much of yesterday, and sometimes even less).
3. Our receivers are not getting open cleanly very often.
4. We need to run more slants and screens and short to medium routes.

ghwk
10-24-2011, 11:00 PM
Is this the appropriate time to say Merrill Hoge is a douch?

MacGruder
10-24-2011, 11:00 PM
QBs when coached by John Fox:

100% all sucked

RhymesayersDU
10-24-2011, 11:11 PM
QBs when coached by John Fox:

100% all sucked

PROJECTING.

YOU'RE DOING IT.

MacGruder
10-24-2011, 11:13 PM
You got me.. I'm actually talking about my own coaching of Qbs

MagicHef
10-24-2011, 11:29 PM
So every time he's completed a pass against a blitz, it's gone for a TD? I hope he keeps that up.

The Joker
10-24-2011, 11:41 PM
So many of his numbers look terrible, and to be honest at times out there he looks woeful.

But then you look and see that in 4 and a half games playing QB for us he's accounted for 11 TD's and only turned the ball over 3 times.

Impossible to know how things will go with him. It'll be exciting finding out for sure, but I've honestly no idea what the future holds for him.

I won't be surprised if he becomes an absolute monster NFL QB, but equally I won't be shocked if the wheels completely fall off and he starts putting up horrendous numbers.

Here's hoping it's the former. :Broncos:

cutthemdown
10-24-2011, 11:56 PM
Every week Tebow will get more reps in practice and they will find more throws he can make. The point is though that Orton stinks, and we have to find out if Tebows style can = wins. Broncos have a long ways to go.

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 12:05 AM
QBs when coached by John Fox:

100% all sucked

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_faLRvFSNWBw/S9c7lQMit2I/AAAAAAAADVc/7GG5G_fWgPo/s1600/screen0018.jpg


http://www.sbrforum.com/Pictures/tim-tebow-broncos.jpg


http://thecovertwo.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/john-fox.jpg
Decker's wide open! Throw it Tim!


http://thedoozy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tim-tebow.jpg


http://friendsoftheprogram.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/football-in-air-at-budget.jpg

http://media.kunst-fuer-alle.de/img/37/m/37_2227527~american-football-ball,-ball.jpg

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/255/PreviewComp/SuperStock_255-3653.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/topstories/2011/01/13/fox-john-5842.jpg
What the...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/197/292/108040609_display_image.jpg?1313515762
Oh my...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hE0TRpE-p8U/TURuqhRuqgI/AAAAAAAAtHU/jlk7DpnBe24/s1600/Eric%2BDecker%2B%2BDenver%2BBroncos%2B6.jpg
dude...

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 12:05 AM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/09/124792519-495x330.jpg

What the **** was that?!?!

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/tim-tebow-backup.jpg
Sorry coach. I think that one got away from me.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/StraightJacketDeluxe.jpg
MacGruder: "It's Fox's fault! Everyone he coaches sucks! Tebow played perfectly! The play calling made him miss! I want Tebow's balls up my..."

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/08/Broncos-Preview-Football-270x194.jpg
Security, can we take that guy over near Orton, please?

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/jay-cutler-superstar/assets_c/2009/08/Orton%20sans%20neck%20beard-thumb-250x256-11961.jpg
Hey baby...

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 12:12 AM
http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/StraightJacketDeluxe.jpg
MacGruder: "It's Fox's fault! Everyone he coaches sucks! Tebow played perfectly! The play calling made him miss! I want Tebow's balls up my..."

YOU'RE PROJECTING

McDman
10-25-2011, 12:14 AM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/09/124792519-495x330.jpg

What the **** was that?!?!

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/tim-tebow-backup.jpg
Sorry coach. I think that one got away from me.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/StraightJacketDeluxe.jpg
MacGruder: "It's Fox's fault! Everyone he coaches sucks! Tebow played perfectly! The play calling made him miss! I want Tebow's balls up my..."

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/08/Broncos-Preview-Football-270x194.jpg
Security, can we take that guy over near Orton, please?

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/jay-cutler-superstar/assets_c/2009/08/Orton%20sans%20neck%20beard-thumb-250x256-11961.jpg
Hey baby...

I don't know how long that took but well played!

Miss I.
10-25-2011, 12:16 AM
WITCH HUNT! WITCH HUNT! WITCH HUNT! ;D

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MacGruder
10-25-2011, 12:16 AM
Every week Tebow will get more reps in practice and they will find more throws he can make. The point is though that Orton stinks, and we have to find out if Tebows style can = wins. Broncos have a long ways to go.

This doesn't make sense though because Tebow can make throws when they get away from Fox's crap offense.

Broncos runningbacks getting injured could be the best thing in the world.. it would force Fox to do something else besides his brilliant game plan..

McDman
10-25-2011, 12:20 AM
This doesn't make sense though because Tebow can make throws when they get away from Fox's crap offense.

Broncos runningbacks getting injured could be the best thing in the world.. it would force Fox to do something else besides his brilliant game plan..

Making throws accurately has nothing to do with the game plan. It is that simple, nothing.

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 12:22 AM
Making throws accurately has nothing to do with the game plan. It is that simple, nothing.

Shut up you! If the game plan calls for pass plays, and those pass plays get the receivers wide open, and the QB horribly misses those receivers, that is OBVIOUSLY a poor game plan!

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 12:23 AM
Making throws accurately has nothing to do with the game plan. It is that simple, nothing.

So what doesn't Tebow have to do when he scores all his points that he has to do other times in the game?

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 12:27 AM
Shut up you! If the game plan calls for pass plays, and those pass plays get the receivers wide open, and the QB horribly misses those receivers, that is OBVIOUSLY a poor game plan!

You mean when the QB is getting hit in the pocket and put in a horrible position because the coaches tried to rely on a horrible run game and then Tebow is expected to clean up the mess with few and far between pass attempts.. while having no prep all year because they decided to go with "the best chance to lose"

Tebow had no prep last season.. no OTAs.. and no prep this season for the "worst chance to win".. even though Tebow already proved he was better last season.

Meanwhile best-chance-to-lose prima donna Neckbeard is on the side line complaining about Tebow missing "wide open" receivers.. lol

enjolras
10-25-2011, 12:30 AM
We need to run more slants and screens and short to medium routes.

Slants and short timing routes are were Tebow's issues are really apparent, however. His footwork, motion, and inability to play under center makes executing quick slants and timing patterns really troublesome.

Look at players like Drew Brees who excel at those routes. They get out from under center quickly, they take 3 steps cleanly, and they quickly get the ball out of their hands before the linebackers are fully dropped into coverage.

Tebow's issues under center are well documented. It's REALLY difficult to execute those patterns from the shotgun as it takes much longer to get the ball gripped and ready to throw from shotgun.

Your right that those patterns are wide open. Tebow is going to need to really come along, particularly with his footwork, to execute them however.

Agamemnon
10-25-2011, 12:36 AM
Making throws accurately has nothing to do with the game plan. It is that simple, nothing.

Yeah, Tebow threw some really bad passes in that game, and while the gameplan was garbage and didn't do anything to help him find a rhythm, Tebow's ultimately responsible for delivering the ball.

Agamemnon
10-25-2011, 12:40 AM
Slants and short timing routes are were Tebow's issues are really apparent, however. His footwork, motion, and inability to play under center makes executing quick slants and timing patterns really troublesome.

Look at players like Drew Brees who excel at those routes. They get out from under center quickly, they take 3 steps cleanly, and they quickly get the ball out of their hands before the linebackers are fully dropped into coverage.

Tebow's issues under center are well documented. It's REALLY difficult to execute those patterns from the shotgun as it takes much longer to get the ball gripped and ready to throw from shotgun.

Your right that those patterns are wide open. Tebow is going to need to really come along, particularly with his footwork, to execute them however.

Tebow can hit them out of the shotgun fairly well, but otherwise you are right. The problem right now is that they need to just let him throw and live with the results rather than limiting him to only 3rd downs (the hardest down for a QB by far). He'll likely get better the more he does it, and not letting him do it is pointless right now. We are highly unlikely to be in playoff contention beyond week 10, so playing not to lose is just silly.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 12:44 AM
Yeah, Tebow threw some really bad passes in that game, and while the gameplan was garbage and didn't do anything to help him find a rhythm, Tebow's ultimately responsible for delivering the ball.

That's all fine and dandy..

But if you don't put a game plan in place that helps your QB with his weaknesses in order to utilize his strengths you are wasting his talent.. and someone somewhere else WILL craft an offense around them properly and he will be successful somewhere else.

Tebow has ENOUGH going against him this season as it is... to not do anything to help him acclimate and get his confidence is just a recipe for disaster..

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 12:59 AM
That's all fine and dandy..

But if you don't put a game plan in place that helps your QB with his weaknesses in order to utilize his strengths you are wasting his talent.. and someone somewhere else WILL craft an offense around them properly and he will be successful somewhere else.

Tebow has ENOUGH going against him this season as it is... to not do anything to help him acclimate and get his confidence is just a recipe for disaster..

You honestly believe the Broncos have not done anything to help him? You are the biggest idiot ever.

Houshyamama
10-25-2011, 12:59 AM
http://i.imgur.com/TaEpK.jpg

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 01:06 AM
You honestly believe the Broncos have not done anything to help him? You are the biggest idiot ever.

No.. I don't think they could possibly do more to hinder him..

Like that smear campaign in the media when he was said to be 3rd string..

No developmental plan from them all summer or even when the season started..

Putting him in an offense that is completely counter to his skills.

Having the runningbacks run on every down and they suck and Tebow is supposed to bail them out on third down with everything they have done to him..

What could be worse? Tell me..

Shananahan
10-25-2011, 01:12 AM
...4,000 more posts by you each year from now on?

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 01:21 AM
...4,000 more posts by you each year from now on?

If you're good.

Shananahan
10-25-2011, 01:23 AM
I take no credit for your presence and no responsibility for the length of your stay. That's all between you and your psychiatrist.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 01:24 AM
I take no credit for your presence and no responsibility for the length of your stay. That's all between you and your psychiatrist.

You're projecting...

Shananahan
10-25-2011, 01:32 AM
MacGruder, honest question: Do you think Tim Tebow is a system QB?

cutthemdown
10-25-2011, 01:37 AM
This doesn't make sense though because Tebow can make throws when they get away from Fox's crap offense.

Broncos runningbacks getting injured could be the best thing in the world.. it would force Fox to do something else besides his brilliant game plan..

He's taking too many sacks, but I think it will get better. Fox's crap offense is designed to keep score low, give broncos a chance late, keep turnover to a minimum.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 02:04 AM
MacGruder, honest question: Do you think Tim Tebow is a system QB?

Technically, yes.. but so is every quarterback..

If Tebow's system dominates even in the NFL... then is he a "system QB"?

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 02:05 AM
He's taking too many sacks, but I think it will get better. Fox's crap offense is designed to keep score low, give broncos a chance late, keep turnover to a minimum.

So answer me this then.. if Fox is just going to use Tebow to hand the ball off.. having him pass even less than Orton.. then what was the purpose of even switching QBs? Why not just leave Orton in there to hand the ball off?

cutthemdown
10-25-2011, 03:23 AM
So answer me this then.. if Fox is just going to use Tebow to hand the ball off.. having him pass even less than Orton.. then what was the purpose of even switching QBs? Why not just leave Orton in there to hand the ball off?

Do I even have to answer that? Ok I will lol but you should be able to come up with several reasons.

1- the most obvious, tebow can make plays with his legs on any down, and distance, any situation. Orton can't

2-The fans were sick of Orton and he obviously couldn't win games he had tons of starts to prove otherwise.

3-At some point you need to get Tebow 7-10 games in a row to really see if he can learn to throw the ball better, get better timing, learn to take snaps behind center.

If the yr ends with neither QB being decent enough to move forward with then we make a move. From Fox's standpoint it would be win win. He gets to say the yr is a throwaway figure out what the qbs can do, but at same time he found a good player in Miller, and he can move on to the next yr.

Then if he drafts a new qb he gets another throwaway groom the new qb yr.

Inkana7
10-25-2011, 08:13 AM
Sorry to break it to you guys, but this is not "Fox's offense." This is McDaniels'/McCoy's offense that runs the ball more. That TE screen to Fells was vintage 2007 Pats, as are a lot of the retarded slot WR screens that we see Decker get killed on.

bowtown
10-25-2011, 08:20 AM
Sorry to break it to you guys, but this is not "Fox's offense." This is McDaniels'/McCoy's offense that runs the ball more. That TE screen to Fells was vintage 2007 Pats, as are a lot of the retarded slot WR screens that we see Decker get killed on.

Impossiball! Blicheeek is teh genous n wood now how to uz TEBOW in teh perfct.

lonestar
10-25-2011, 08:22 AM
What a bunch of chicken littles.

The sky is falling (TEbow is not perfect)
The sky is falling (he can't play from under center)
The sky is falling (his footwork is bad)
The sky is falling (his accuracy)
The sky is falling (he can't read defenses)
The sky is falling (coaching has nothing to donwith how bad he is)
The sky is falling (it is not the play calling)
The sky is falling (tebow sucks)
The sky is falling (I want luck)
The sky is falling (we are not ever going to get to the Super Bowl)
The sky is falling (it's all Joshes fault)
The sky is falling (jaysus is the savior)
The sky is falling (Hillis would have been the difference)
The sky is falling (Mikey was the man)



When reality is Tebow has had almost No OTAs since being signed.
No weekly practice with the starters at all save 4 games.
He has played better than Orton point wise as a starter (wins, points scored)
He has had almost zero reps with the his recievers in Sundays game prior to that game. Game wise or practice.

He was expected to be a PROJECT. Yet everyone here (almost) is thinking he has to be polished like exprienced John E at the end of his career not like he looked as a rookie.
The sky is falling.
The sky is falling.
The sky is falling NOT.

dbfan21
10-25-2011, 08:47 AM
It was mentioned in the beginning of this thread, but it seemed like we had great success in the underneath stuff as well as the screen passes. The corssing route Willis ran was a perfect example of this. Even the skinny posts that Fells ran was another successful pass to the middle of the field. Since Tebow is a threat to run, it should keep the LBs close to the LOS, which should open up Decker, Thomas and Royal across the middle.

I wonder if they'll see that in film study and do more of those patterns this week.

zdoor
10-25-2011, 09:11 AM
How about we let a few games play out before passing judgement on the guy? He looked like a rookie with potential. Flashes of brilliance and flashes of downright fugly.

Play2win
10-25-2011, 09:15 AM
Makes me think that .
1. Tebow holds the ball too long. ( True)
2. Our pass protection is pretty poor ( also true ..he did not have a clean pocket for much more than 2.5 seconds much of yesterday, and sometimes even less).
3. Our receivers are not getting open cleanly very often.
4. We need to run more slants and screens and short to medium routes.

It seems every screen Tebow throws is awesome. Gets rid of it at the last moment, it gets to where it needs to go, usually is set up well, and is a big play.

enjolras
10-25-2011, 09:15 AM
When reality is Tebow has had almost No OTAs since being signed.
No weekly practice with the starters at all save 4 games.
He has played better than Orton point wise as a starter (wins, points scored)
He has had almost zero reps with the his recievers in Sundays game prior to that game. Game wise or practice.

Fair enough. That doesn't mean that he does not have to show SIGNIFICANT improvement by years end. He was bad.. (really bad) on Sunday. Yes he managed a win, and that's great. I love it. I love what he brings to the table, but at some point he has to show that he can consistently throw the ball.

He was expected to be a PROJECT. Yet everyone here (almost) is thinking he has to be polished like exprienced John E at the end of his career not like he looked as a rookie.

No one is expecting that. I do expect him to show some ability to play from ahead at some point. I expect him to show some ability to play against a defense that is playing near the line of scrimmage instead of soft coverage near the end of games when they are protecting a lead.

EVERYONE recognizes that if he can become a competent passer, Tebow will be a very special player. That's why he gets the next 10 games. He's going to have to be significantly better in week 17, or this team will make a move to replace him, however.

The sky is falling.
The sky is falling.
The sky is falling NOT.

I'm not sure who is saying it is?

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 09:26 AM
Fair enough. That doesn't mean that he does not have to show SIGNIFICANT improvement by years end. He was bad.. (really bad) on Sunday. Yes he managed a win, and that's great. I love it. I love what he brings to the table, but at some point he has to show that he can consistently throw the ball.

You are dead wrong dude.. don't spread this myth...

He was not bad.. he was WILDLY inconsistent..

He LOOKED bad at some things and looked STELLAR at others.

This should tell you what the real problem is..

bowtown
10-25-2011, 09:30 AM
You are dead wrong dude.. don't spread this myth...

He was not bad.. he was WILDLY inconsistent..

He LOOKED bad at some things and looked STELLAR at others.

This should tell you what the real problem is..

That he's a young QB who is still very green and WILDLY inconsistent?

Something tells me that's not the correct answer.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 09:32 AM
That he's a young QB who is still very green and WILDLY inconsistent?

Something tells me that's not the correct answer.

A young QB who is green wouldn't look so unstoppable at times..

Try again...

Play2win
10-25-2011, 09:33 AM
Would love to see a steady diet of Sprint-Right-Options. Tebow could make that dynamic.

Or in Tebow's case, Sprint-Left-Option... ;D

BroncoBeavis
10-25-2011, 09:36 AM
What could be worse? Tell me..

How about trading away his best receiver at the last minute for a shot at drafting a top-tier parking lot attendant next spring. :)

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 09:37 AM
You'll have to excuse Lonestar. It has come to my attention he is a big McDaniels homer. Also, he used a not reference which suggests he's come from the year 1993 to enlighten us.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 09:39 AM
How about trading away his best receiver at the last minute for a shot at drafting a top-tier parking lot attendant next spring. :)

Great point. haha

TheReverend
10-25-2011, 09:43 AM
You'll have to excuse Lonestar. It has come to my attention he is a big McDaniels homer. Also, he used a not reference which suggests he's come from the year 1993 to enlighten us.

I'd actually assume it WAS McDaniels if I didn't think ruining Sam Bradford was a full time job.

Rigs11
10-25-2011, 09:47 AM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/09/124792519-495x330.jpg

What the **** was that?!?!

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/tim-tebow-backup.jpg
Sorry coach. I think that one got away from me.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/StraightJacketDeluxe.jpg
MacGruder: "It's Fox's fault! Everyone he coaches sucks! Tebow played perfectly! The play calling made him miss! I want Tebow's balls up my..."

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/08/Broncos-Preview-Football-270x194.jpg
Security, can we take that guy over near Orton, please?

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/jay-cutler-superstar/assets_c/2009/08/Orton%20sans%20neck%20beard-thumb-250x256-11961.jpg
Hey baby...

ok that was some funny shetLOLROFL!

enjolras
10-25-2011, 09:49 AM
A young QB who is green wouldn't look so unstoppable at times..

Try again...

Ya... he's unstoppable against soft coverage defenses. That's been true of 3 of his 4 starts. Most of his stats have come late in games against teams protecting big leads.

He HAS to show that he can do in the first quarter, against defenses playing near the line of scrimmage, what he does late in games.

2KBack
10-25-2011, 09:50 AM
Tebow didn't over throw any passes, the ball has anti gravity which was installed by a jealous military that doesn't know how to adapt to the SEC fueled power of Tebow.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 10:03 AM
Ya... he's unstoppable against soft coverage defenses. That's been true of 3 of his 4 starts. Most of his stats have come late in games against teams protecting big leads.

He HAS to show that he can do in the first quarter, against defenses playing near the line of scrimmage, what he does late in games.

He does it when they let him play his game rather than Fox's.. it's that simple.

It's Fox's fault for only letting that happen when the game is out of reach..

If it was possible to stop Tebow teams would be doing it.. the reason they don't do it is because what they do early is a GIMMICK to try to confuse and damage Tebow's rhythm.. it works.. but only temporarily.. ESPECIALLY when the coach isn't helping Tebow..

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 10:04 AM
Tebow didn't over throw any passes, the ball has anti gravity which was installed by a jealous military that doesn't know how to adapt to the SEC fueled power of Tebow.

Witch hunt

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 10:19 AM
Witch hunt

Not projecting this time?

Peoples Champ
10-25-2011, 10:19 AM
Tebow gets a W when he plays terrible , and when he plays good. Thats how good he is.

BroncoBeavis
10-25-2011, 11:48 AM
Tebow absolutely played terrible for at least the first 3 quarters. Many new NFL QB's play terrible right out of the gate. One... because they don't have the experience to guess what kind of scheme a defense might've come up with, and two... pure nerves from their inexperience.

The problem is that the more you try to hide the ball from that young QB in the early part of the game (or first 3 quarters in this case) the harder time he'll have adjusting to the defense and his nerves.

Tebow won't get better throwing the ball without throwing the ball.

Tombstone RJ
10-25-2011, 12:12 PM
Tebow absolutely played terrible for at least the first 3 quarters. Many new NFL QB's play terrible right out of the gate. One... because they don't have the experience to guess what kind of scheme a defense might've come up with, and two... pure nerves from their inexperience.

The problem is that the more you try to hide the ball from that young QB in the early part of the game (or first 3 quarters in this case) the harder time he'll have adjusting to the defense and his nerves.

Tebow won't get better throwing the ball without throwing the ball.

:notworthy love your poster name!

Miss I.
10-25-2011, 12:27 PM
Witch hunt

Is this part of the three truths?
1. Witch Hunt
2. Projecting

What is 3? ;D

Bob's your Information Minister
10-25-2011, 12:29 PM
Apparently all the pressure is coming from your RT. He's having a terrible year.

MacGruder
10-25-2011, 12:31 PM
Is this part of the three truths?
1. Witch Hunt
2. Projecting

What is 3? ;D

Cute. :-*

bronclvr
10-25-2011, 12:37 PM
I just read this on another Forum-does anyone know if it's true?

"In a post game interview the Broncos offensive coordinator said he asked Tim with about 5 mins left in the 4th qtr, "what do you want to do?" Tebow replied " go play football like I know how" he was told go for it".

If so, we know how this weekend will play out if they will listen to Tim-:tebow:

fontaine
10-25-2011, 12:49 PM
You're projecting...

Witch Hunt

'ppreciate it.

MplsBronco
10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
So many of his numbers look terrible, and to be honest at times out there he looks woeful.

But then you look and see that in 4 and a half games playing QB for us he's accounted for 11 TD's and only turned the ball over 3 times.

Impossible to know how things will go with him. It'll be exciting finding out for sure, but I've honestly no idea what the future holds for him.

I won't be surprised if he becomes an absolute monster NFL QB, but equally I won't be shocked if the wheels completely fall off and he starts putting up horrendous numbers.

Here's hoping it's the former. :Broncos:

I think the former is much, much more likely. So we have that going for us.

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 03:07 PM
If he does flame out, it won't be due to a lack of effort.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-25-2011, 04:10 PM
he asked Tim with about 5 mins left in the 4th qtr, "what do you want to do?" Tebow replied " go play football like I know how"

ROFL!

Tebow is a drama queen.

TheReverend
10-25-2011, 04:17 PM
ROFL!

Tebow is a drama queen.

Where'd you get this quote from?

jutang
10-25-2011, 04:46 PM
Itsalloverfatman has a great breakdown of Tebow's pass plays during the miami game. It is a pretty good read and tries to break up parts of Tebow's game. It is definately on the glass half full side of things, but it analysis is up with some of the best posters from this site.

Jekyll15Hyde
10-25-2011, 05:03 PM
I don't know how long that took but well played!

This made my day!

TailgateNut
10-25-2011, 05:32 PM
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http://www.sbrforum.com/Pictures/tim-tebow-broncos.jpg


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Decker's wide open! Throw it Tim!


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http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/topstories/2011/01/13/fox-john-5842.jpg
What the...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/197/292/108040609_display_image.jpg?1313515762
Oh my...

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dude...

CLASSIC! My daughter can throw the ball better than TimBow. No Lie.

TheReverend
10-25-2011, 05:41 PM
CLASSIC! My daughter can throw the ball better than TimBow. No Lie.

Yeah.

That's a lie.

Dedhed
10-25-2011, 05:49 PM
It seems every screen Tebow throws is awesome. Gets rid of it at the last moment, it gets to where it needs to go, usually is set up well, and is a big play.

I've noticed this as well, and I also noticed a brutal lack of screen plays and designed rollouts. I can't understand it.

Tebow was terribly indecisive, and inaccurate with the ball, but the game plan did nothing to help settle a young, amped up, QB down with a couple of easy throws early on.

Popps
10-25-2011, 05:55 PM
Apparently all the pressure is coming from your RT. He's having a terrible year.

He's a rookie and he was playing fairly well until last week. We've got a left-handed QB now, which changes everything.

Aren't they expecting you down at Gas n' Sip? That poor attendant just filled up the nacho cheese tub and she's worried sick.

Dedhed
10-25-2011, 05:59 PM
I just read this on another Forum-does anyone know if it's true?

"In a post game interview the Broncos offensive coordinator said he asked Tim with about 5 mins left in the 4th qtr, "what do you want to do?" Tebow replied " go play football like I know how" he was told go for it".

If so, we know how this weekend will play out if they will listen to Tim-:tebow:

I don't know if I buy that, but I think there's some truth buried in it anyway. I think that Tebow, and the coaching staff, are trying too hard to protect him. Then when there is nothing let to lose, they open up the playbook and Tebow plays with more abandon.

Tebow in the first 3.8 quarters was desperately trying not to make a mistake. On the last two drives he was just desperately trying to make plays. Tebow needs to be willing to make mistakes, and the coaches need to allow him the opportunity for those mistakes.

Bronx33
10-25-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't know if I buy that, but I think there's some truth buried in it anyway. I think that Tebow, and the coaching staff, are trying too hard to protect him. Then when there is nothing let to lose, they open up the playbook and Tebow plays with more abandon.

Tebow in the first 3.8 quarters was desperately trying not to make a mistake. On the last two drives he was just desperately trying to make plays. Tebow needs to be willing to make mistakes, and the coaches need to allow him the opportunity for those mistakes.


Tebow should consult cutler on how he handles it.

TailgateNut
10-25-2011, 06:18 PM
WITCH HUNT! WITCH HUNT! WITCH HUNT! ;D

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love the avatar

lonestar
10-26-2011, 12:39 AM
Fair enough. That doesn't mean that he does not have to show SIGNIFICANT improvement by years end. He was bad.. (really bad) on Sunday. Yes he managed a win, and that's great. I love it. I love what he brings to the table, but at some point he has to show that he can consistently throw the ball.
o one is expecting that. I do expect him to show some ability to play from ahead at some point. I expect him to show some ability to play against a defense that is pDlaying near the line of scrimmage instead of soft coverage near the end of games when they are protecting a lead.
EVERYONE recognizes that if he can become a competent passer, Tebow will be a very special player. That's why he gets the next 10 games. He's going to have to be significantly better in week 17, or this team will make a move to replace him, however.

I'm not sure who is saying it is?

Just read through the posts and you will see loads of folks that are expecting Elwayesk play out if him. NOW.

Pissing and moaning about every bad play.

As for missing passes long short or in between. Name a QB that has not had spectacular who the hell was he throwing to Comments made as one point or the other.

First really home away from home game for him. Every friend and family member he knows was there. He was on overload till he got his timing down and those passes in the last few possessions were almost laser like.

Now maybe those folks that are pissing and moaning are still pissed at Josh at Pat, Joe maybe even that Mikey and jaysus were their heros and hey still have not gotten over the bromance.

Tebow may not be a HOF player but he is fun to watch and seemingly knows how to rise up and win games.

IIRC we were in all of his loses Till the very end.
Maybe by years end John and John wil add another QB to the stable but if it is a fair competition no doubt who will win the job.

lonestar
10-26-2011, 01:04 AM
You'll have to excuse Lonestar. It has come to my attention he is a big McDaniels homer. Also, he used a not reference which suggests he's come from the year 1993 to enlighten us.

Let's just say I had no love for Mikey the GM.

Mikey the HC was pretty dynamic a decade ago but got stale the past few years. With an ego the size of mile high.

As for Josh inliked the guy and the moves he made to get bigger, stronger, faster and smarter.

I also believe that you build via the draft like NE, PIT and Bal have. Your day one and maybe day two picks are for the foundation of your team. Some will go on to be pro bowlers and some will just be steady unsung heros that make winners out of their team mates.

That was something Mikey never did. Had two decent drafts maybe 1.5 in his entire career in Denver

I know lots of folks hated Josh, I did not and saw his vision long before he got here.

If I were the decision maker when mailed was fired. I would not have hired Josh BEFORE hiring an exprienced succesful GM to run the show and make personnel decisions.

If he would have hire him then the chances are he would still be here. As he would have picked players not an inexperienced HCandGM did.

The one thing i did love about him was he actually made draft day special and exciting.

So if that makes me a McD lover so be it. just color
Me someone that blindly followed Mikey because he won two lombardis and nothing but some hollow whilst season games, mostly early in each season. Them absolutely SUCKING in the playoffs when he got them there.

As for jaysus and bm both were head cases that needed To go before new contracts were written.

There was no way we could have kept them and all the other talent we need FO for long term consistent winning.