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Yoda
10-23-2011, 06:13 PM
....two weeks and it's on! Raiders should be healed up and ready to go by then. Hate to be the Broncos, Raiders will be fresh, focused and pissed!

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 06:14 PM
....two weeks and it's on! Raiders should be healed up and ready to go by then. Hate to be the Broncos, Raiders will be fresh, focused and pissed!


Fresh piss?

OBF1
10-23-2011, 06:15 PM
Go suck on your shutout and 6 interceptions douchebag

Gort
10-23-2011, 06:19 PM
....two weeks and it's on! Raiders should be healed up and ready to go by then. Hate to be the Broncos, Raiders will be fresh, focused and pissed!

for the next 2 weeks, you belong to the Chefs. you are their bitch. they bent you over their knee and administered an ass whooping and laughed when you begged & cried for mercy. i don't think they would appreciate you coming in here talking smack. they own you for the next 2 weeks.

Crushaholic
10-23-2011, 06:31 PM
Just Give Away Your Whole Draft For Unproductive Players, Baby! :raidersux

Yoda
10-23-2011, 06:36 PM
Aaaaah.....love it! Raiders will be more than ready and more importantly, the laundry list of injuries will be virtually gone by the game.

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 06:37 PM
Aaaaah.....love it! Raiders will be more than ready and more importantly, the laundry list of injuries will be virtually gone by the game.

Sadly the stupid ****s running around in silver and black wont be gone.

Yoda
10-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Sadly the stupid ****s running around in silver and black wont be gone.

?????? Ok.....

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 06:50 PM
Big question is will you be out of jail to watch the game?

StugotsIII
10-23-2011, 06:56 PM
....two weeks and it's on! Raiders should be healed up and ready to go by then. Hate to be the Broncos, Raiders will be fresh, focused and pissed!

You can't heal being a fag-got.

Yoda
10-23-2011, 08:05 PM
You can't heal being a fag-got.

Wow, StugotsIII and Bronx33.....really? Uh, wow ok....your mom's know your on the internet?

StugotsIII
10-23-2011, 08:09 PM
Wow, StugotsIII and Bronx33.....really? Uh, wow ok....your mom's know your on the internet?

Dude…you have a Star Wars character for your picture…


…and your making mom jokes?


It's 11:08pm EST and Carson Palmer just threw another interception.

Rolandftw
10-23-2011, 08:10 PM
Raiders have the bye coming at the right time. Will have a chance for Palmer to be a better QB by then. Need McFadden to be healthy as well.

I think Oakland abandoned their running game too much even without McFadden. I have a hard time believing KC is 4 td's better then Oakland in Oakland.

RhymesayersDU
10-23-2011, 08:11 PM
Uh oh, let's see how long it takes the uptight brigade to call this "family smack."

Yoda
10-23-2011, 08:14 PM
Dude…you have a Star Wars character for your picture…


…and your making mom jokes?


It's 11:08pm EST and Carson Palmer just threw another interception.

Ya, your clueless.....

StugotsIII
10-23-2011, 08:16 PM
Ya, your clueless.....

Whatever you say "Yoda."


LOL

Yoda
10-23-2011, 08:16 PM
Raiders have the bye coming at the right time. Will have a chance for Palmer to be a better QB by then. Need McFadden to be healthy as well.

I think Oakland abandoned their running game too much even without McFadden. I have a hard time believing KC is 4 td's better then Oakland in Oakland.

The bye could not come at a better time. This team is banged up....and needs to regroup on O with a new QB

Paladin
10-23-2011, 08:19 PM
The bye could not come at a better time. This team is banged up....and needs to regroup on O with a new QB

When they gonna get one?

DenverBound
10-23-2011, 08:25 PM
It's 11:08pm EST and Carson Palmer just threw another interception.

LMFAO.:spit:

ZachKC
10-23-2011, 08:36 PM
Aaaaah.....love it! Raiders will be more than ready and more importantly, the laundry list of injuries will be virtually gone by the game.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2011/09000d5d82364b50_gallery_600.jpg

maher_tyler
10-23-2011, 09:16 PM
1st and 2nd round picks!!

Hilarious!

Yoda
10-23-2011, 09:25 PM
Wait, this is the team that drafted Tebow? Yes? Anyway, I know there's got to be knowledgable football fans here on Orangemane. Where are you guys? Only fools would determine that the Carson deal is a bust after a week and 2qtrs of play.

hambone13
10-23-2011, 09:34 PM
Wait, this is the team that drafted Tebow? Yes? Anyway, I know there's got to be knowledgable football fans here on Orangemane. Where are you guys? Only fools would determine that the Carson deal is a bust after a week and 2qtrs of play.

I'm terrified of CP after 2 weeks of prep. It's not the environment I would wish on Tebow's development schedule. Especially after the Chiefs laid a beat down. Ouch. I guess we'll just have to "believe". I'm down with the optimism as today showed some heart and leadership but that only goes so far with talent. The Fade has it and we don't.

Rolandftw
10-23-2011, 09:37 PM
Probably won't find out until a few seasons whether the Palmer deal worked out for Oakland's. It's an awful lot to give up tho... sitting out the 2012 draft will probably hurt Oakland as well, especially since they don't have a lot of cap space from my understanding.

ZachKC
10-23-2011, 09:48 PM
Wait, this is the team that drafted Tebow? Yes? Anyway, I know there's got to be knowledgable football fans here on Orangemane. Where are you guys? Only fools would determine that the Carson deal is a bust after a week and 2qtrs of play.

I don't think he is a bust but...will he play anywhere near the worth you gave for him? Dude is 32.

Although I could see how a Raiders fan doesn't understand that value can be had in the 1st round. JAHMAHKUS!

ZachKC
10-23-2011, 09:48 PM
Probably won't find out until a few seasons whether the Palmer deal worked out for Oakland's. It's an awful lot to give up tho... sitting out the 2012 draft will probably hurt Oakland as well, especially since they don't have a lot of cap space from my understanding.

When he is 35. lol

AZorange1
10-23-2011, 09:52 PM
Wait, this is the team that drafted Tebow? Yes? Anyway, I know there's got to be knowledgable football fans here on Orangemane. Where are you guys? Only fools would determine that the Carson deal is a bust after a week and 2qtrs of play.

Wait, if your a Raider freak, shouldn't your Avatar be Darth Vader/Raider or are you a closet Yoda wanna be?

ZachKC
10-23-2011, 11:08 PM
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/23/21/26/QJxlR.SlMa.81.jpg

Crushaholic
10-24-2011, 09:16 AM
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/23/21/26/QJxlR.SlMa.81.jpg

Stay classy, Raiders fans...:raidersux

Yoda
10-24-2011, 09:29 AM
Chiefs beat a Raiders team riddled with injuries without their starting QB and running back and now they believe their world beaters. Listen, KC got 6 picks from a POS QB in Boller and a VERY rusty QB in Palmer. Fact is, Chiefs O only scored 14 pts. Sure, KC can argue their injured too. Let's how well KC does without Cassel along with Charles out. You beat the Raiders in transition, congrats.

Rolandftw
10-24-2011, 09:40 AM
When he is 35. lol

He'll be 34 at the end of next season. 33 at this point next season. I don't see his age being as big of a deal as a lot of Chief fans think. Pocket Qb's like Palmer can a lot of times play until their late 30's if they remain healthy.

55CrushEm
10-24-2011, 09:59 AM
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/23/21/26/QJxlR.SlMa.81.jpg

LOL

Yoda
10-24-2011, 10:33 AM
LOL

That POS would not jump in their. They would have ripped him apart.

Kaylore
10-24-2011, 10:38 AM
He'll be 34 at the end of next season. 33 at this point next season. I don't see his age being as big of a deal as a lot of Chief fans think. Pocket Qb's like Palmer can a lot of times play until their late 30's if they remain healthy.

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TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-24-2011, 10:40 AM
for the next 2 weeks, you belong to the Chefs. you are their b****. they bent you over their knee and administered an ass whooping and laughed when you begged & cried for mercy. i don't think they would appreciate you coming in here talking smack. they own you for the next 2 weeks.

This.

55CrushEm
10-24-2011, 10:43 AM
Chiefs beat a Raiders team riddled with injuries without their starting QB and running back and now they believe their world beaters. Listen, KC got 6 picks from a POS QB in Boller and a VERY rusty QB in Palmer. Fact is, Chiefs O only scored 14 pts. Sure, KC can argue their injured too. Let's how well KC does without Cassel along with Charles out. You beat the Raiders in transition, congrats.

And? Since when do defensive points not count?? It's a TEAM game right? They put 28 points on your sorry asses in your own building.

28 points.

28 points.

Not 14.

TheReverend
10-24-2011, 10:52 AM
http://www.baynews9.com/static/articles/images/2010/tim-tebow-main-7-27.jpg

Yup. Two weeks.

:)

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 10:52 AM
Chiefs beat a Raiders team riddled with injuries without their starting QB and running back and now they believe their world beaters. Listen, KC got 6 picks from a POS QB in Boller and a VERY rusty QB in Palmer. Fact is, Chiefs O only scored 14 pts. Sure, KC can argue their injured too. Let's how well KC does without Cassel along with Charles out. You beat the Raiders in transition, congrats.

KC has *tons* of guys injured. No biggie. Strap it on and keep playing or make rationalizations and excuses.

Your defense had the opportunity to create points just like the Chiefs defense. Of course that would require them to play well. Ya know what? Lets take away the defensive points...I am feeling nice today. It is still a double digit win + shutout. Ha!

Hope you enjoyed your curb stomping. We may not be a great team but we will sweep you this year.

gee3749
10-24-2011, 10:59 AM
That POS would not jump in their. They would have ripped him apart.

Grammar > Oakland fans.

Jump in their what?

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Black hole = all bark no bite.

Kaylore
10-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Grammar > Oakland fans.

Jump in their what?

Jump in their cesspool of fail.

broncocalijohn
10-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Aaaaah.....love it! Raiders will be more than ready and more importantly, the laundry list of injuries will be virtually gone by the game.

What about the pass specialist, Jarvin Moss? Is he ready to catch up to Tebow? Leave it to a Faiders' fan to be coming in when his team just got spanked by the Chiefs. Timing is everything with you numbnuts. You related to Ty-rell Jones?

Elway 4 Life
10-24-2011, 11:12 AM
Dude…you have a Star Wars character for your picture…


…and your making mom jokes?


It's 11:08pm EST and Carson Palmer just threw another interception.

LOLROFL!

Gort
10-24-2011, 11:13 AM
Fact is, Chiefs O only scored 14 pts.

which is 14 more than Oakland's O and D combined.

what kind of a dumbass Raiders fan comes to a Broncos board and talks smack on a day when Oakland loses and Denver wins?

answer... Yoda

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50500_245098297006_1537183_n.jpg

Yoda
10-24-2011, 11:27 AM
KC has *tons* of guys injured. No biggie. Strap it on and keep playing or make rationalizations and excuses.

Your defense had the opportunity to create points just like the Chiefs defense. Of course that would require them to play well. Ya know what? Lets take away the defensive points...I am feeling nice today. It is still a double digit win + shutout. Ha!

Hope you enjoyed your curb stomping. We may not be a great team but we will sweep you this year.

Clueless.....simply clueless. Scoreboard....got it....Chiefs have scoreboard.

I'm talking about analyzing the game, looking at all the details. If Cassel was out along with Charles and the Raiders won in the same manner the Chiefs did. I'd be happy about the win but still concerned.
Raiders still racked huge yardage on the ground even when they were in coming from behind mode. This game was an abiration, a perfect storm.

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 11:35 AM
Clueless.....simply clueless. Scoreboard....got it....Chiefs have scoreboard.

I'm talking about analyzing the game, looking at all the details. If Cassel was out along with Charles and the Raiders won in the same manner the Chiefs did. I'd be happy about the win but still concerned.
Raiders still racked huge yardage on the ground even when they were in coming from behind mode. This game was an abiration, a perfect storm.

Why would Cassel being out have changed the nature of that game? Last time I checked you have to score points to win a game in the NFL.

Besides that Cassel pretty much played like horse **** the whole game. He was 15\30 161 yards. 0 TD's and 2 INTs.

We beat you without our elite safety...elite RB...red zone receiving thread (Moeki) on top of our QB having a crappy game.

Who is clueless?

Look, I am glad you got a little break these past few years from getting dominated by Kansas City. I think it is great you got some breathing room but fun time is over. You guys are a weak team. You have no mental toughness and got your ass kicked on the line of scrimmage.

Prepare for the sweep.

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 11:36 AM
OH HEY GUYZ IF CASSEL WAS OUT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SHUT US OUT LAWL OMG IDK /yoda

55CrushEm
10-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Clueless.....simply clueless. Scoreboard....got it....Chiefs have scoreboard.

I'm talking about analyzing the game, looking at all the details. If Cassel was out along with Charles and the Raiders won in the same manner the Chiefs did. I'd be happy about the win but still concerned.
Raiders still racked huge yardage on the ground even when they were in coming from behind mode. This game was a LOSS, an EMBARRASSING LOSS.

Fixed it for you.

Elway 4 Life
10-24-2011, 11:46 AM
Mods can we move this thread to queefsplanet or the prison hole(not sure what they call there site). We have two trolls bitchin at eachother about teams that arent the Broncos. Yoda/KC who gives a ****.

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 11:49 AM
Mods can we move this thread to queefsplanet or the prison hole(not sure what they call there site). We have two trolls b****in at eachother about teams that arent the Broncos. Yoda/KC who gives a ****.

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ZachKC
10-24-2011, 12:31 PM
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ppablo
10-24-2011, 02:22 PM
funny how raiders fans always have an excuse when they lose a game... it's cause of injuries... BS the Chefs have just as much and every team in the NFL has injuries!

Yoda
10-24-2011, 02:39 PM
funny how raiders fans always have an excuse when they lose a game... it's cause of injuries... BS the Chefs have just as much and every team in the NFL has injuries!

Most of you guys are idiots. Loosing your starting QB is the most devastating thing that happen to a team. Especially when said QB is atleast solid. Look at Indy, or here in Denver when Elway played.

Kaylore
10-24-2011, 02:42 PM
Most of you guys are idiots. Loosing your starting QB is the most devastating thing that happen to a team. Especially when said QB is atleast solid. Look at Indy, or here in Denver when Elway played.

Except Jason Campbell was the third worst QB in the league when he got hurt, and added literally nothing to your team. But yes, please compare Jason Campbell to John Elway and Peyton Manning. ::)

Yoda
10-24-2011, 02:50 PM
Except Jason Campbell was the third worst QB in the league when he got hurt, and added literally nothing to your team. But yes, please compare Jason Campbell to John Elway and Peyton Manning. ::)

Apparently you have trouble understanding the context of what you read. This is not a comparison of Campbell to Elway or Manning and I also said that said QB must be atleast solid at best. Wow, must be the thin air in Denver. If not, what's your excuse.

Kaylore
10-24-2011, 02:53 PM
Apparently you have trouble understanding the context of what you read. This is not a comparison of Campbell to Elway or Manning and I also said that said QB must be atleast solid at best. Wow, must be the thin air in Denver. If not, what's your excuse.

I would say it's that I'm arguing with an idiot. Tell me again what Jason Campbell added to your team that was lost once he went down. Was it his crappy passes, his ability to take sacks at bad times, or was it the fact he's completed four passes over 20 yards down field. Please enlighten me and my "thin air."

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 03:06 PM
Most of you guys are idiots. Loosing your starting QB is the most devastating thing that happen to a team. Especially when said QB is atleast solid. Look at Indy, or here in Denver when Elway played.

Imagine if we would have lost Cassel. Maybe we would have only beat you with all the points our defense scored!

ZachKC
10-24-2011, 03:07 PM
I would say it's that I'm arguing with an idiot. Tell me again what Jason Campbell added to your team that was lost once he went down. Was it his crappy passes, his ability to take sacks at bad times, or was it the fact he's completed four passes over 20 yards down field. Please enlighten me and my "thin air."

You are giving Jason a sad.

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/jason-campbell.jpg

KCStud
10-24-2011, 03:24 PM
Actually Yoda is wrong. Chiefs scored 3 of their 4 TD's from defensive players (Javier Arenas ran for the 3rd TD). ROFL!

It didn't matter if Campbell was playing or not. KC was clearly the better team. We owned the line of scrimmage on both sides the entire game.
Your DL didn't get Cassel's jersey dirty once and we pounded the ball down your throats with Jackie Battle! KC also dominated ST's. Ford never got a chance to return a kick and we downed 2 punts inside your 5 yard line.
Your WR's were dropping passes that hit them in their hands and DJ owned Bush all day long.

Campbell is a bottom 5 QB in the league and he wouldn't have won this one.

Bronx33
10-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Clueless.....simply clueless. Scoreboard....got it....Chiefs have scoreboard.

I'm talking about analyzing the game, looking at all the details. If Cassel was out along with Charles and the Raiders won in the same manner the Chiefs did. I'd be happy about the win but still concerned.
Raiders still racked huge yardage on the ground even when they were in coming from behind mode. This game was an abiration, a perfect storm.


You win the white ribbon!!!

Yoda
10-24-2011, 06:30 PM
Actually Yoda is wrong. Chiefs scored 3 of their 4 TD's from defensive players (Javier Arenas ran for the 3rd TD). ROFL!

It didn't matter if Campbell was playing or not. KC was clearly the better team. We owned the line of scrimmage on both sides the entire game.
Your DL didn't get Cassel's jersey dirty once and we pounded the ball down your throats with Jackie Battle! KC also dominated ST's. Ford never got a chance to return a kick and we downed 2 punts inside your 5 yard line.
Your WR's were dropping passes that hit them in their hands and DJ owned Bush all day long.

Campbell is a bottom 5 QB in the league and he wouldn't have won this one.
Ok where to start with all you fools. Uh....ok. What Campbell did was excute within his limits. The Raiders O is a run first team and would pick it spots to pass. He was in synce with the WR, with what had to be done. But, most of you will just blow that fact of football off. Go with the " you suck,.....uh Raiders suck.....blah blah blah..."

Kaylore
10-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Ok where to start with all you fools. Uh....ok. What Campbell did was excute within his limits. "

LOL

Jason Campbell's prescribed limits:

Hand off ball.
Wear raiders uniform.
Get sacked.
Eat cheerios.

Agamemnon
10-24-2011, 10:33 PM
Wait, this is the team that drafted Tebow? Yes? Anyway, I know there's got to be knowledgable football fans here on Orangemane. Where are you guys? Only fools would determine that the Carson deal is a bust after a week and 2qtrs of play.

Err...the deal is a bust because you guys gave up a 1st and 2nd for a guy who hasn't produced worth a crap in five years. Carson Palmer is worth a 3rd rounder at most.

Agamemnon
10-24-2011, 10:37 PM
Actually Yoda is wrong. Chiefs scored 3 of their 4 TD's from defensive players (Javier Arenas ran for the 3rd TD). ROFL!

It didn't matter if Campbell was playing or not. KC was clearly the better team. We owned the line of scrimmage on both sides the entire game.
Your DL didn't get Cassel's jersey dirty once and we pounded the ball down your throats with Jackie Battle! KC also dominated ST's. Ford never got a chance to return a kick and we downed 2 punts inside your 5 yard line.
Your WR's were dropping passes that hit them in their hands and DJ owned Bush all day long.

Campbell is a bottom 5 QB in the league and he wouldn't have won this one.

You guys won because Oakland threw 6 interceptions in the game and had no functional QB play. The Rams would've beaten the Raiders in that situation for ****'s sake. Grow a brain.

chevy369
10-25-2011, 11:18 AM
....two weeks and it's on! Raiders should be healed up and ready to go by then. Hate to be the Broncos, Raiders will be fresh, focused and pissed!

And the Raider trolls as well...

55CrushEm
10-25-2011, 11:27 AM
You are giving Jason a sad.

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/jason-campbell.jpg

HEY! That's the dude from E.R.

BroncsCheer
10-25-2011, 11:42 AM
Lol at raiders a chiefs trolls going at each other on a broncos mesg board

Mr. Elway
10-25-2011, 11:53 AM
Wait, this is the team that drafted Tebow? Yes? Anyway, I know there's got to be knowledgable football fans here on Orangemane. Where are you guys? Only fools would determine that the Carson deal is a bust after a week and 2qtrs of play.

The problem isn't that he's necessarily a bust. The problem is you guys gave up so much for him that he'd have to be a multi-year pro-bowler to even be worth it. Instead of having a first rounder in a deep 2012 QB draft, you'll be stuck with a big question mark.

Ugly Duck
10-25-2011, 12:44 PM
Wall Street Journal: Here's a question nobody in their right mind has bothered to ask about this weekend's NFL games: Which quarterback had the better performance—Oakland's Carson Palmer or Denver's Tim Tebow?

In case you were rock climbing alone this weekend and happened to get one of your arms hopelessly wedged into a crevice, you probably know that Tebow, the former University of Florida all-everything, ran and passed the Broncos to a spine-tingling fourth-quarter comeback that sealed an 18-15 overtime victory over the Miami Dolphins. Even in an enemy stadium, the fans chanted Tebow's name. Married women proposed marriage. Palmer of the Raiders, meanwhile, was called onto the field for his Raiders debut after spending the entire season in semi-retirement fueled by an impasse with his former team, the Cincinnati Bengals. The nine-year NFL veteran looked rusty and sluggish. His three interceptions were the tent poles of a humiliating 28-0 loss. Judging from the wire photos available, he spent a great deal of time on the bench, moping. OK, so the correct answer is Tebow. Fair enough.

But if you look at the tape of both quarterbacks' performances Sunday, the conventional wisdom breaks down a bit. Palmer starts to look gradually better—even superior in some ways—while Tebow, who has long been a target of critics who question his readiness for the pro game, looks twice as scary. Before Tebow's fourth-quarter comeback began—it took place with about 5:23 left on the clock—he'd thrown seven bad passes on only 14 attempts. He'd missed receivers deep down the field, in the flat and even on a short dump-off play.

There aren't any easy excuses for Tebow on these plays. These weren't throwaways, dropped passes or balls that were knocked off course when Tebow was hit as he threw—we excluded those. These seven bad throws were plays every quarterback in the NFL expects to make all the time. In the third quarter, for example, the Broncos had a third and 8 in their own territory when the Dolphins blitzed a safety up the middle–a play Tebow had failed to pick up all day. Tebow let go of the ball just before being hit—so that's not an excuse—but the ball still landed five yards in front of Eric Decker, who by all rights should have scored a touchdown.

Tebow also erred twice doing what he's best at: running the ball. In the first quarter, with the Broncos in field-goal range, Tebow scrambled in the backfield on a third and long and allowed himself to be sacked for four yards—a rookie play that ended up making the field goal more difficult (the Broncos missed the kick). At the end of the second quarter, Tebow tucked the ball under his arm on a designed running play, only to fumble and give Miami a chance to score before the end of the half.

To be fair, Tebow's performance in the final minutes was unequivocally great. He made four difficult completions, including one touchdown pass, and only one bad throw. He also made a few plays most NFL quarterbacks couldn't, or wouldn't (for fear of being flattened like a ketchup packet). On a second and 16 with 3:04 left in the game, Tebow lined up in an empty backfield and, after dropping back (apparently to pass), spotted an open running lane. He tucked the ball and put a spin move on Dolphins linebacker Kevin Burnett that was so beautiful it might have earned raves from figure-skating judges. The play set up a beautiful touchdown pass that Tebow threw while scrambling out of what should have been a sack. All the more impressive: Tebow had engineered all this after a botched snap that ended with Tebow getting drilled to the turf for a sack.

Solomon Wilcots, a commentator for CBS during the broadcast, says he believes that Tebow loosened up as the game got faster and more intense. "That 'Tebow Time' is when he just stops thinking and he starts playing," says Wilcots. "We force quarterbacks into a box. We want them all to be a square hole and a square peg. At the end of the day, there are a lot of ways to play the position."

Palmer's debut with the Raiders against Kansas City Sunday was—how do we put this charitably—a bit below the threshold of what might be considered excellent. During about 30 minutes of football, Palmer had three interceptions and a woeful 38% completion rate. It's important to note that until the middle of last week, Palmer had no idea he'd be playing for any team. After he reportedly demanded a trade from the Bengals, the team decided to do nothing instead, essentially making him a retiree. Finally, the Bengals traded him to the Raiders for draft picks. "Show me a player who can get off up the sofa and can jump into an NFL game," Wilcots says.

Last season, Palmer threw for an impressive 3,970 yards and 26 touchdowns and completed 61.8% of his passes. The biggest knock on him was his 20 interceptions, the third-highest in the league. But a look at the tape of those interceptions shows Palmer's picks weren't entirely his fault: Nine came on plays where there was an apparent misunderstanding about what route his receiver was supposed to run. (Wilcots, a former player for the Bengals, says it's been an open secret in Cincinnati that Palmer's numbers have suffered because of receivers who haven't fully grasped the playbook.)

During Sunday's game, one of Palmer's best plays was an incomplete pass in the fourth quarter. On a second and 10, with Palmer lined up in shotgun with three receivers, Kansas City ran a disguised blitz and sent six men after the quarterback. Palmer took three steps back, set his feet and in less than two seconds, launched the ball 34 yards to receiver Louis Murphy. The ball, which was slightly overthrown, hit Murphy's left hand and fell to the turf. On paper, it was another incomplete pass. But what's important to NFL coaches is that Palmer quickly made the right read and that his receiver had a chance to make a play. It's the kind of throw that Tebow hasn't shown he's capable of making in the NFL—at least not with that kind of pressure.

On another fourth-quarter play, Kansas City ran a safety blitz up the middle. It was the same kind of play that led to two Tebow sacks on Sunday. Palmer read the blitz, knew where the open guy was going to be and released the ball in 1.5 seconds. Murphy was hit in the numbers with a perfectly thrown ball. Again, he dropped the pass.

Another thing to note: While one of Palmer's interceptions resulted from a bad read of the defense, another came off a tipped pass that had been thrown on target. The third was the result of a miscommunication between Palmer and one of the receivers he just sat down with for the first time last week.

Wilcots says Palmer should be able to ease nicely into Oakland's offense, which is similar to the West Coast offense USC ran when Palmer won the Heisman Trophy there. It revolves around the running game and play-action passes and is significantly less complicated than the one run by Cincinnati last season. Palmer has shown the ability to dissect a defense, monitor up to five passing routes and release the ball—in less than two seconds. The same can't be said for Tebow, who probably won't be able to drastically change his passing ability this season.

The good news for fans: These two quarterbacks will have a chance to settle this debate when their teams meet in Oakland Nov. 6.

BroncsCheer
10-25-2011, 01:05 PM
Holy wall of text....

/tl;dr

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 01:29 PM
Holy wall of text....

/tl;dr

Sum up: Both have a lot to learn as they get more comfortable and grow in their systems. :peace: (seriously that's the gist. Though bear in mind this was a sports article from the Wall Street Journal.)

Black96WS6
10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
Wall Street Journal: Here's a question nobody in their right mind has bothered to ask about this weekend's NFL games: Which quarterback had the better performance—Oakland's Carson Palmer or Denver's Tim Tebow?

In case you were rock climbing alone this weekend and happened to get one of your arms hopelessly wedged into a crevice, you probably know that Tebow, the former University of Florida all-everything, ran and passed the Broncos to a spine-tingling fourth-quarter comeback that sealed an 18-15 overtime victory over the Miami Dolphins. Even in an enemy stadium, the fans chanted Tebow's name. Married women proposed marriage. Palmer of the Raiders, meanwhile, was called onto the field for his Raiders debut after spending the entire season in semi-retirement fueled by an impasse with his former team, the Cincinnati Bengals. The nine-year NFL veteran looked rusty and sluggish. His three interceptions were the tent poles of a humiliating 28-0 loss. Judging from the wire photos available, he spent a great deal of time on the bench, moping. OK, so the correct answer is Tebow. Fair enough.

But if you look at the tape of both quarterbacks' performances Sunday, the conventional wisdom breaks down a bit. Palmer starts to look gradually better—even superior in some ways—while Tebow, who has long been a target of critics who question his readiness for the pro game, looks twice as scary. Before Tebow's fourth-quarter comeback began—it took place with about 5:23 left on the clock—he'd thrown seven bad passes on only 14 attempts. He'd missed receivers deep down the field, in the flat and even on a short dump-off play.

There aren't any easy excuses for Tebow on these plays. These weren't throwaways, dropped passes or balls that were knocked off course when Tebow was hit as he threw—we excluded those. These seven bad throws were plays every quarterback in the NFL expects to make all the time. In the third quarter, for example, the Broncos had a third and 8 in their own territory when the Dolphins blitzed a safety up the middle–a play Tebow had failed to pick up all day. Tebow let go of the ball just before being hit—so that's not an excuse—but the ball still landed five yards in front of Eric Decker, who by all rights should have scored a touchdown.

Tebow also erred twice doing what he's best at: running the ball. In the first quarter, with the Broncos in field-goal range, Tebow scrambled in the backfield on a third and long and allowed himself to be sacked for four yards—a rookie play that ended up making the field goal more difficult (the Broncos missed the kick). At the end of the second quarter, Tebow tucked the ball under his arm on a designed running play, only to fumble and give Miami a chance to score before the end of the half.

To be fair, Tebow's performance in the final minutes was unequivocally great. He made four difficult completions, including one touchdown pass, and only one bad throw. He also made a few plays most NFL quarterbacks couldn't, or wouldn't (for fear of being flattened like a ketchup packet). On a second and 16 with 3:04 left in the game, Tebow lined up in an empty backfield and, after dropping back (apparently to pass), spotted an open running lane. He tucked the ball and put a spin move on Dolphins linebacker Kevin Burnett that was so beautiful it might have earned raves from figure-skating judges. The play set up a beautiful touchdown pass that Tebow threw while scrambling out of what should have been a sack. All the more impressive: Tebow had engineered all this after a botched snap that ended with Tebow getting drilled to the turf for a sack.

Solomon Wilcots, a commentator for CBS during the broadcast, says he believes that Tebow loosened up as the game got faster and more intense. "That 'Tebow Time' is when he just stops thinking and he starts playing," says Wilcots. "We force quarterbacks into a box. We want them all to be a square hole and a square peg. At the end of the day, there are a lot of ways to play the position."

Palmer's debut with the Raiders against Kansas City Sunday was—how do we put this charitably—a bit below the threshold of what might be considered excellent. During about 30 minutes of football, Palmer had three interceptions and a woeful 38% completion rate. It's important to note that until the middle of last week, Palmer had no idea he'd be playing for any team. After he reportedly demanded a trade from the Bengals, the team decided to do nothing instead, essentially making him a retiree. Finally, the Bengals traded him to the Raiders for draft picks. "Show me a player who can get off up the sofa and can jump into an NFL game," Wilcots says.

Last season, Palmer threw for an impressive 3,970 yards and 26 touchdowns and completed 61.8% of his passes. The biggest knock on him was his 20 interceptions, the third-highest in the league. But a look at the tape of those interceptions shows Palmer's picks weren't entirely his fault: Nine came on plays where there was an apparent misunderstanding about what route his receiver was supposed to run. (Wilcots, a former player for the Bengals, says it's been an open secret in Cincinnati that Palmer's numbers have suffered because of receivers who haven't fully grasped the playbook.)

During Sunday's game, one of Palmer's best plays was an incomplete pass in the fourth quarter. On a second and 10, with Palmer lined up in shotgun with three receivers, Kansas City ran a disguised blitz and sent six men after the quarterback. Palmer took three steps back, set his feet and in less than two seconds, launched the ball 34 yards to receiver Louis Murphy. The ball, which was slightly overthrown, hit Murphy's left hand and fell to the turf. On paper, it was another incomplete pass. But what's important to NFL coaches is that Palmer quickly made the right read and that his receiver had a chance to make a play. It's the kind of throw that Tebow hasn't shown he's capable of making in the NFL—at least not with that kind of pressure.

On another fourth-quarter play, Kansas City ran a safety blitz up the middle. It was the same kind of play that led to two Tebow sacks on Sunday. Palmer read the blitz, knew where the open guy was going to be and released the ball in 1.5 seconds. Murphy was hit in the numbers with a perfectly thrown ball. Again, he dropped the pass.

Another thing to note: While one of Palmer's interceptions resulted from a bad read of the defense, another came off a tipped pass that had been thrown on target. The third was the result of a miscommunication between Palmer and one of the receivers he just sat down with for the first time last week.

Wilcots says Palmer should be able to ease nicely into Oakland's offense, which is similar to the West Coast offense USC ran when Palmer won the Heisman Trophy there. It revolves around the running game and play-action passes and is significantly less complicated than the one run by Cincinnati last season. Palmer has shown the ability to dissect a defense, monitor up to five passing routes and release the ball—in less than two seconds. The same can't be said for Tebow, who probably won't be able to drastically change his passing ability this season.

The good news for fans: These two quarterbacks will have a chance to settle this debate when their teams meet in Oakland Nov. 6.

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Bronx33
10-25-2011, 04:44 PM
Uglyduck scouring the internet for anything to stand on (today's thing) is a from a well known powerhouse in sport writing ( the WSJ) and as an extra bonus (STOCK TIPS) for investors and the dos and donts when putting together a well rounded stock portfolio.