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vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 06:11 PM
The abilty to break tackles in the pocket and make plays. I wish I had video, but anyway, a few plays.

1. The near sack, broken for 20 yard run.

2. Blindside corner blitz, he spins away ala Elway (yep, went there), scrambled right and found DT for 6.

Cant take that stuff for granted, it was a great play by Tim to spin away, reset his eyes, and fire. In the redzone today, 2 for 2.

3. Reading blitz on the 2 pt, calling his #, and again a free corner whiffs again.

4. Firing a great pass to Fells who made an even better catch.

He converts the toughest plays and impossible plays routinely, and yet makes the most routine plays impossible. If he can just set his feet and get his mechanics consistent, his accuracy will become consistent.

His deficiencies are many, and staying optimistic, that means he has tons of upside, and room to improve!!

Archer81
10-23-2011, 06:14 PM
The abilty to break tackles in the pocket and make plays. I wish I had video, but anyway, a few plays.

1. The near sack, broken for 20 yard run.

2. Blindside corner blitz, he spins away ala Elway (yep, went there), scrambled right and found DT for 6.

Cant take that stuff for granted, it was a great play by Tim to spin away, reset his eyes, and fire. In the redzone today, 2 for 2.

3. Reading blitz on the 2 pt, calling his #, and again a free corner whiffs again.

4. Firing a great pass to Fells who made an even better catch.

He converts the toughest plays and impossible plays routinely, and yet makes the most routine plays impossible. If he can just set his feet and get his mechanics consistent, his accuracy will become consistent.

His deficiencies are many, and staying optimistic, that means he has tons of upside, and room to improve!!


He fixes his footwork, everything else automatically improves. That will come with time and repetition.


:Broncos:

Crushaholic
10-23-2011, 06:20 PM
He fixes his footwork, everything else automatically improves. That will come with time and repetition.


:Broncos:

Other quarterbacks get away with throwing from their back foot. What he needs to fix is the velocity of his passes. A few of his "ducks" might have been picked off by a better team...

MacGruder
10-23-2011, 06:36 PM
Clearly Tebow has to take the blame or his weaknesses... we know how great John Fox is offensively and developing young quarerbacks. He's like a quarterback guru...

spdirty
10-23-2011, 06:40 PM
5. He didn't wear any hot pink. Maybe he wants women to die of breast cancer, but at least he didn't burn my eyes when I watched him today.

Baba Booey
10-23-2011, 06:43 PM
Mechanics (feet) will come and the reads will improve, but he's got the things you can't teach.

Like Shannon Sharpe said, they need to take what they saw in the fourth and sort of 'bottle' it. Put him in a position to succeed early in games as well.

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 06:43 PM
So true, almost every throw is ugly really. When he does set like the deep balls to Hillis vs Dal, and to the Duke kid in Az, he throw nice passes. Today, even the great throw to a crossing Hillis was almost a jump pass!

Also, almost all his throws were to recievers moving, on comebacks he looked better, where were they? I think he's gotta do a much better job pre-snap of identfying where to go.

Ex. On the first pass of the 2nd half, DT wasn't even looking to make a play, it looked to me he was a decoy as Royal cleared on a 15 yard in, but Tebow fires another awkward all arm pass way outside.

Like I said, he couldn't be much worse, (no picks!) So lets hope he gets alot better. Detroit will give him no time to hesitate, and Suh would love to put Tim on his back, hard.

Everyone tweet to Tim ” hesitation is for backups”, maybe that will get through. Lol

Archer81
10-23-2011, 06:45 PM
Other quarterbacks get away with throwing from their back foot. What he needs to fix is the velocity of his passes. A few of his "ducks" might have been picked off by a better team...


I dont think ducks happen because of how hard he throws it. He improves his footwork, his accuracy will improve.

And its never advisable for any QB to throw off their backfoot.

:Broncos:

Punisher
10-23-2011, 06:46 PM
Mechanics (feet) will come and the reads will improve, but he's got the things you can't teach.

Like Shannon Sharpe said, they need to take what they saw in the fourth and sort of 'bottle' it. Put him in a position to succeed early in games as well.

Best Avatar ever LOL

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 07:04 PM
I really think 2 te formations are in order vs Det.

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 07:05 PM
So what exactly is a vong and how exactly does one kill it?

Archer81
10-23-2011, 07:08 PM
So what exactly is a vong and how exactly does one kill it?


Perhaps its Von Q killa?

:Broncos:

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 07:14 PM
Perhaps its Von Q killa?

:Broncos:

6 sacks in 6 games man, dude is balling. No hagan today!

Dr. Broncenstein
10-23-2011, 07:58 PM
I loved the overtime cointoss.

schaaf
10-23-2011, 08:34 PM
I loved the overtime cointoss.

#Winning!!!

TheChamp24
10-23-2011, 08:39 PM
For 3 quarters he looked like a career backup you didn't want to see the field too much other than trick plays.
Then he Unleashed the Tebow and had 2 TD drives to tie it.
I will say, I freakin loved the 20 yard run for a 1st down after nearly being sacked.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 08:48 PM
I will say, I freakin loved the 20 yard run for a 1st down after nearly being sacked.

It was Barry Sanders-esque, then he delivered a blow to Karlos Dansby.

Tebow is incredible running the ball in space.

If he ever gets the run and the pass synched up in the pros...look out.

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 09:12 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/ae/fullj.bef1cad91c59bb5b020349ea54dab9dc/bef1cad91c59bb5b020349ea54dab9dc-getty-130023942.jpg

Look at his front foot not planted, weight on back foot, all arm, ball being slung rather than standing tall, balanced, and fired.

From time to time I get it, but this was all day long.

Upside!!!

bronco militia
10-23-2011, 09:49 PM
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BroncoMan4ever
10-23-2011, 10:13 PM
The abilty to break tackles in the pocket and make plays. I wish I had video, but anyway, a few plays.

1. The near sack, broken for 20 yard run.

2. Blindside corner blitz, he spins away ala Elway (yep, went there), scrambled right and found DT for 6.

Cant take that stuff for granted, it was a great play by Tim to spin away, reset his eyes, and fire. In the redzone today, 2 for 2.

3. Reading blitz on the 2 pt, calling his #, and again a free corner whiffs again.

4. Firing a great pass to Fells who made an even better catch.

He converts the toughest plays and impossible plays routinely, and yet makes the most routine plays impossible. If he can just set his feet and get his mechanics consistent, his accuracy will become consistent.

His deficiencies are many, and staying optimistic, that means he has tons of upside, and room to improve!!

i can't help but think that he needs to be allowed to hrow more often. through the 1st 3 quarters he was averaging 2.6 passes a quarter. a guy can't build any momentum or develop a rhythm in that situation.

also, the play calling was terrible, i wish someone would have kicked McCoy in the ball sack. he went from at the end of the 4th quarter using the spread out fast and loose offense and maneuvered to 15 points and OT, but once OT begins he goes back to the slow gameplan that didn't work for 55 minutes and did it without the RB who can make it work. if DJ doesn't come up huge, McCoy would have lost the game for Denver.

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 10:23 PM
i can't help but think that he needs to be allowed to hrow more often. through the 1st 3 quarters he was averaging 2.6 passes a quarter. a guy can't build any momentum or develop a rhythm in that situation.

also, the play calling was terrible, i wish someone would have kicked McCoy in the ball sack. he went from at the end of the 4th quarter using the spread out fast and loose offense and maneuvered to 15 points and OT, but once OT begins he goes back to the slow gameplan that didn't work for 55 minutes and did it without the RB who can make it work. if DJ doesn't come up huge, McCoy would have lost the game for Denver.

The red zone sprint left te screen rt was a great playcall, and tebow missed many opportunities mccoy gave him on a silver platter. Decker double move, eddie deep in and tt threw to noone out of bounds, fells twice.

Tt killed many great play calls.

Mile High Mojoe
10-23-2011, 10:24 PM
The abilty to break tackles in the pocket and make plays. I wish I had video, but anyway, a few plays.

1. The near sack, broken for 20 yard run.

2. Blindside corner blitz, he spins away ala Elway (yep, went there), scrambled right and found DT for 6.

Cant take that stuff for granted, it was a great play by Tim to spin away, reset his eyes, and fire. In the redzone today, 2 for 2.

3. Reading blitz on the 2 pt, calling his #, and again a free corner whiffs again.

4. Firing a great pass to Fells who made an even better catch.

He converts the toughest plays and impossible plays routinely, and yet makes the most routine plays impossible. If he can just set his feet and get his mechanics consistent, his accuracy will become consistent.

His deficiencies are many, and staying optimistic, that means he has tons of upside, and room to improve!!

This

Butterscotch Stallion
10-23-2011, 10:34 PM
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BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 10:50 PM
I can agree I loved the last 4 minutes of regulation.

long beach bronco
10-24-2011, 06:28 AM
If McCoy reverts back to the play calling that we all saw the first 3 and half quarters against the Dolphins and then do the same against Detroit, then he needs to be fired. He now has a blue print of how to run this offense and to build around Tebow. We can only hope.

55CrushEm
10-24-2011, 06:37 AM
If McCoy reverts back to the play calling that we all saw the first 3 and half quarters against the Dolphins and then do the same against Detroit, then he needs to be fired. He now has a blue print of how to run this offense and to build around Tebow. We can only hope.

Not too hopeful on that.......because it overtime he went back to the playcalling of the first 3 quarters.

Not good.

vonqkilla
10-24-2011, 06:37 AM
According to advancednflstats.com we had a 1% chance of winning with 5:23 to go.

” dont ever tell me the odds” - Han Solo

Grantland.com writer Bill Barnwell has a good breakdown, my fav nfl writer right now.

MacGruder
10-24-2011, 06:52 AM
It was Barry Sanders-esque, then he delivered a blow to Karlos Dansby.

Tebow is incredible running the ball in space.

If he ever gets the run and the pass synched up in the pros...look out.

He did.. then NFL coaches got a hold of him and screwed him all up..

alkemical
10-24-2011, 07:50 AM
According to advancednflstats.com we had a 1% chance of winning with 5:23 to go.

” dont ever tell me the odds” - Han Solo

Grantland.com writer Bill Barnwell has a good breakdown, my fav nfl writer right now.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7143065/debunking-tim-tebow-myth

Steve Sewell
10-24-2011, 08:17 AM
Did anyone see Deion's comment last night on the NFL network wrap up show?

It was something to the effect of being a guy who goes to a carnival who can't hit any throws on the bean bag toss yet still walks away with all the stuffed animals. It was hilarious...and true, I suppose.

vonqkilla
10-24-2011, 08:22 AM
Thats funny. Deion cracks me up.

Elway 4 Life
10-24-2011, 08:23 AM
I loved the play of our Defense. They were on the field alot because of THE O's ineffectiveness. I think as a whole they played well. I think it was smart to replace willhite with harris. Harris made some good plays late in the game. I think we are only gonna get better as long as we stay healthy.

TheChamp24
10-24-2011, 08:26 AM
I loved the play of our Defense. They were on the field alot because of THE O's ineffectiveness. I think as a whole they played well. I think it was smart to replace willhite with harris. Harris made some good plays late in the game. I think we are only gonna get better as long as we stay healthy.

Well, to be fair, Miami's offense is terrible. I do like though we can stop the run on teams we should be able to though.

That said, who were the commentators? One guy basically all game was talking about how the Dolphins starting to pound the Broncos running the ball, and the Broncos have been gobbled up trying to run the ball. Left me scratching my head, how does this guy have a job? Because it was the complete opposite. Broncos practically ran at will, and the Dolphins had no running game.

Elway 4 Life
10-24-2011, 08:29 AM
Well, to be fair, Miami's offense is terrible. I do like though we can stop the run on teams we should be able to though.

That said, who were the commentators? One guy basically all game was talking about how the Dolphins starting to pound the Broncos running the ball, and the Broncos have been gobbled up trying to run the ball. Left me scratching my head, how does this guy have a job? Because it was the complete opposite. Broncos practically ran at will, and the Dolphins had no running game.

lol. I caught that to. Most of these annoucers are hacks.

orng&blu
10-24-2011, 09:28 AM
OK OK, everybody is excited that for about 4 minutes of the entire game the team was competitive against an absolute bottom feeder horrible team... Whoopee! What about the rest of the game? Against other horrible teams I think that they can compete and maybe win... but remember what the packers did to them..??? All of the rhetoric about how the team is rebuilding and its ok to completely and totally stink and embarrass this once proud franchise that used to field competitive teams all the time, is frankly for losers. That game (even though it turned out to be a win) was HORRIBLE, two awful teams stinking up that stadium is an embarrassment to the NFL. To think that both of these once proud franchises have sunk so low, pathetic.

vonqkilla
10-24-2011, 09:33 AM
So ugly, but at least our tackling was good, didnt see a missed tackle all day really.

enjolras
10-24-2011, 10:50 AM
re: announcers

My favorite was the attempted fade to D. Thomas near the end of the game. He had absolutely no chance of catching that and the announcer is all over him for giving up on the play. The replay clearly showed how wrong he was, yet he just kept at it.

TheReverend
10-24-2011, 10:55 AM
From time to time I get it, but this was all day long.

No it wasn't.

TheReverend
10-24-2011, 10:56 AM
Did anyone see Deion's comment last night on the NFL network wrap up show?

It was something to the effect of being a guy who goes to a carnival who can't hit any throws on the bean bag toss yet still walks away with all the stuffed animals. It was hilarious...and true, I suppose.

Yeah lol. Close enough on the story recap, but anyway that's been my favorite assessment of Tebow so far.

It's in the vid clip here:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8236b951/article/tebow-takes-broncos-fans-on-a-wild-ride-that-ends-in-victory?module=HP11_cp

SonOfLe-loLang
10-24-2011, 11:07 AM
Twice is a coincedence, 4 out of 5 games is a TREND and then some. In 4 out of the 5 games Tim has played/started, we've come back to win twice or came back to be within a play of winning twice. The other game was his first ever start.

I honestly don't know what to make of this. We have to take everything we know about conventional QB wisdom and chuck it. He's really like no other quarterback we've seen in quite some time (if ever).

Here's the thing with Tim. He's unorthodox, he might make some REALLY ugly plays, but he's also our best offensive weapon. He's the only guy on our offense with the ability to hit the big play at any moment. He's kinda like Barry Sanders in that regard. You're gonna have to live with some ugly plays, but then he's gonna step up and make a great one. That said, you can't handcuff him with the play calling. I know its counter intuitive if you're afraid he's going to be a turn over machine, but taking the ball out of his hands, only to give it to him when there's no margin for error, its not how you're going to succeed with Tim. You give him enough opportunities, he's gonna pop some for you. And thats just the way it is. For better or worse

55CrushEm
10-24-2011, 11:10 AM
Twice is a coincedence, 4 out of 5 games is a TREND and then some. In 4 out of the 5 games Tim has played/started, we've come back to win twice or came back to be within a play of winning twice. The other game was his first ever start.

I honestly don't know what to make of this. We have to take everything we know about conventional QB wisdom and chuck it. He's really like no other quarterback we've seen in quite some time (if ever).

Here's the thing with Tim. He's unorthodox, he might make some REALLY ugly plays, but he's also our best offensive weapon. He's the only guy on our offense with the ability to hit the big play at any moment. He's kinda like Barry Sanders in that regard. You're gonna have to live with some ugly plays, but then he's gonna step up and make a great one. That said, you can't handcuff him with the play calling. I know its counter intuitive if you're afraid he's going to be a turn over machine, but taking the ball out of his hands, only to give it to him when there's no margin for error, its not how you're going to succeed with Tim. You give him enough opportunities, he's gonna pop some for you. And thats just the way it is. For better or worse

This.

TheReverend
10-24-2011, 11:11 AM
Twice is a coincedence, 4 out of 5 games is a TREND and then some. In 4 out of the 5 games Tim has played/started, we've come back to win twice or came back to be within a play of winning twice. The other game was his first ever start.

I honestly don't know what to make of this. We have to take everything we know about conventional QB wisdom and chuck it. He's really like no other quarterback we've seen in quite some time (if ever).

Here's the thing with Tim. He's unorthodox, he might make some REALLY ugly plays, but he's also our best offensive weapon. He's the only guy on our offense with the ability to hit the big play at any moment. He's kinda like Barry Sanders in that regard. You're gonna have to live with some ugly plays, but then he's gonna step up and make a great one. That said, you can't handcuff him with the play calling. I know its counter intuitive if you're afraid he's going to be a turn over machine, but taking the ball out of his hands, only to give it to him when there's no margin for error, its not how you're going to succeed with Tim. You give him enough opportunities, he's gonna pop some for you. And thats just the way it is. For better or worse

FWIW, that 5th "outlier" was his first ever NFL start and IN the Black Hole.

teknic
10-24-2011, 11:18 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/ae/fullj.bef1cad91c59bb5b020349ea54dab9dc/bef1cad91c59bb5b020349ea54dab9dc-getty-130023942.jpg

Look at his front foot not planted, weight on back foot, all arm, ball being slung rather than standing tall, balanced, and fired.

From time to time I get it, but this was all day long.

Upside!!!

I'm thinking that this photo has pretty unfortunate timing. It looks like Tebow is about half way through his wind-up, which means all of his weight should still be on his back foot. When he completes the throwing motion, he will shift his weight to his front foot, like all other QBs. Find a picture 0.5s later, and you'll confirm this.

Try to throw a football with accuracy and velocity without shifting your weight. It is impossible.

vonqkilla
10-24-2011, 12:44 PM
I'm thinking that this photo has pretty unfortunate timing. It looks like Tebow is about half way through his wind-up, which means all of his weight should still be on his back foot. When he completes the throwing motion, he will shift his weight to his front foot, like all other QBs. Find a picture 0.5s later, and you'll confirm this.

Try to throw a football with accuracy and velocity without shifting your weight. It is impossible.

Grab a ball, and throw it. He's so unbalanced at this late in his mechanics, and this was happening all day. His mechanics make Cutler look like Elway closing out the drive, which was a perfect throw.

Im down with him changing release pts, adjusting his feet, but so often it kills his accuracy. Quicker routes, more screens, more play action,curls, hitches, bootlegs!!!

DarkHorse30
10-24-2011, 12:44 PM
I'm laughing at the hacks (Solomon Wilcots was on Denvers game) who don't think Tebow can be a "regular" starting QB. They are exactly right, he is highly irregular....and that's what makes rooting for him and our team so much damn fun.

Taco John
10-24-2011, 01:03 PM
I can feel the love!

http://accidentalbear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/kisses.jpg

Mile High Mojoe
10-24-2011, 01:08 PM
Did anyone see Deion's comment last night on the NFL network wrap up show?

It was something to the effect of being a guy who goes to a carnival who can't hit any throws on the bean bag toss yet still walks away with all the stuffed animals. It was hilarious...and true, I suppose.

Here's the exact qoute, I loved it.

"(Tim Tebow) is that guy that goes to the fair and can't put the ball through the hole but still walks out with ALL of the prizes! ... and you say how did he do that? He never threw the ball through the hole!?"

TheReverend
10-24-2011, 01:13 PM
3. Reading blitz on the 2 pt, calling his #, and again a free corner whiffs again.

Free corner didn't whiff, he owned him with a pass fake.

vonqkilla
10-24-2011, 01:29 PM
Free corner didn't whiff, he owned him with a pass fake.

Lol rev. Whats the diff?

Great pic tacojohn.

Somehow, we need Tebow to go Hulk from kickoff to gun, not two minute to gun.

CEH
10-24-2011, 01:33 PM
God if he could just learn to make his reads and make the normal throws he will be something special. The play making ability is there and the confidence to know if the game is on the line in the 4th he will find a way. It's the two passes he launced to the stands that still have me concerned. Elway will never buy into Tebow if he can't make the normal throws required in the middle of the 2nd qtr i.e. not always crunch time.

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2011, 02:27 PM
FWIW, that 5th "outlier" was his first ever NFL start and IN the Black Hole.

We were actually on the front foot in that game for most of the first half, and then turnovers killed us and blew the game open in the second half.

vonqkilla
10-24-2011, 03:33 PM
God if he could just learn to make his reads and make the normal throws he will be something special. The play making ability is there and the confidence to know if the game is on the line in the 4th he will find a way. It's the two passes he launced to the stands that still have me concerned. Elway will never buy into Tebow if he can't make the normal throws required in the middle of the 2nd qtr i.e. not always crunch time.

He makes the routine impossible, and the impossible rouitine.

snowspot66
10-24-2011, 05:23 PM
God if he could just learn to make his reads and make the normal throws he will be something special. The play making ability is there and the confidence to know if the game is on the line in the 4th he will find a way. It's the two passes he launced to the stands that still have me concerned. Elway will never buy into Tebow if he can't make the normal throws required in the middle of the 2nd qtr i.e. not always crunch time.

I think we all forget this is just his 4th start. With no OTA's he's barely ahead of a rookie starting his first game. That stuff you just can't learn only in practice. You have to be out there for it to sink in.

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2011, 08:44 PM
I think we all forget this is just his 4th start. With no OTA's he's barely ahead of a rookie starting his first game. That stuff you just can't learn only in practice. You have to be out there for it to sink in.

Yeah, he's a raw young player that basically got thrown into the fire without the kind of preparation that your average player gets.

This offseason really couldn't have been worse for Tebow.

Its impressive that he won that last game. It really shows you the kind of will and moxie that the kid has, and that what he has in his heart and in his mind is extremely rare. Many guys just view this as a job. Tebow views it as a purpose that he wants to work at in a way that honors his God. What that means is that he'll literally give everything that he can for the team. Great guy to root for. If he makes it with the Broncos, we're really in for a special 10 years or so. It will be loads of fun. Its like pulling for Rocky.

Broncochica
10-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Yeah, he's a raw young player that basically got thrown into the fire without the kind of preparation that your average player gets.

This offseason really couldn't have been worse for Tebow.

Its impressive that he won that last game. It really shows you the kind of will and moxie that the kid has, and that what he has in his heart and in his mind is extremely rare. Many guys just view this as a job. Tebow views it as a purpose that he wants to work at in a way that honors his God. What that means is that he'll literally give everything that he can for the team. Great guy to root for. If he makes it with the Broncos, we're really in for a special 10 years or so. It will be loads of fun. Its like pulling for Rocky.

LOL Quoted and repped 4 the truth! ;D

Steve Sewell
10-24-2011, 09:08 PM
God if he could just learn to make his reads and make the normal throws he will be something special. The play making ability is there and the confidence to know if the game is on the line in the 4th he will find a way. It's the two passes he launced to the stands that still have me concerned. Elway will never buy into Tebow if he can't make the normal throws required in the middle of the 2nd qtr i.e. not always crunch time.

Agreed. He is spectacular with the game on the line, but he's going to have to start playing at a semi-competent level in the first half of games, otherwise TebowMania is going to be very short lived.

Just being a realist here.

Broncochica
10-24-2011, 09:18 PM
Agreed. He is spectacular with the game on the line, but he's going to have to start playing at a semi-competent level in the first half of games, otherwise TebowMania is going to be very short lived.

Just being a realist here.


True but at least he has a chance now! :)