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Taco John
10-23-2011, 02:28 PM
I'm in tears. This is awesome.

ant1999e
10-23-2011, 02:30 PM
This but I fought back the tears.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 02:30 PM
It was just like Houston last year.

This guy has some of that Elway magic in him.

Fantastic win.

frerottenextelway
10-23-2011, 02:31 PM
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Popps
10-23-2011, 02:32 PM
Amazing win. Great to have some excitement back, despite the slow start.

SoCalBronco
10-23-2011, 02:32 PM
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/t_tebow_110310_IA.jpg

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Taco John
10-23-2011, 02:33 PM
This but I fought back the tears.

I'm not like bawling - but my eyes are definitely not dry. And you couldn't wipe the smile off my face if you tried right now. We have ourselves a quarterback, warts and all.

barryr
10-23-2011, 02:36 PM
What a comeback! I hope they realize since they didn't to start the game it seems, to design an offense that Tebow will thrive in and more importantly, the offense as a whole will be successul. It seemed like an Orton offense they used to start the game, which even the common fan of the team knows Tebow won't do well in.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
10-23-2011, 02:37 PM
Yeah, says the guy who turned off the TV because he thought the game was over.

Doggcow
10-23-2011, 02:38 PM
IM GEEKING OFF A TIM TEBOW COMEBACK TOO

yerner
10-23-2011, 02:39 PM
You guys are so gay.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-23-2011, 02:39 PM
What a crazy game.

Shananahan
10-23-2011, 02:39 PM
If this game is any indication, the rest of the season is going to be a lot of fun.

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 02:41 PM
I'm in tears. This is awesome.

Tears!?!

You kidding?

Guy was horrible. He needs to get his feet right, and get rid of the ball.

On so many plays he is horrible. Onside kick. D J Williams
awesome strip sack. He made like 6 good plays, about 15 bad ones.
Tebow was awful for 55 mins. Miracle win. Orton sadly wins that one going away.

Hopefully he gets alot better this week. Nowwhere to go but up.

Garcia Bronco
10-23-2011, 02:41 PM
We are all a bunch if Peters because we denied his name 3 times. LOL

Br0nc0Buster
10-23-2011, 02:41 PM
Im glad we won, and this was an interesting game to watch

but the defense deserves the props

Tebow played well at the end, but I have no idea what he was doing the first 80% of the game

at least he brought us back though, that never really happened with Kyle

Mogulseeker
10-23-2011, 02:42 PM
Is this 1985 again for the Broncos? I'd be happy if it was.

Ratboy
10-23-2011, 02:42 PM
It was an awesome win.

I went outside during 4th quarter, came back and we were marching down for the 2nd touchdown.

Sick.

enjolras
10-23-2011, 02:42 PM
I'm really excited... that was a great way to start. He's going to have to be MUCH better going forward tho.

peacepipe
10-23-2011, 02:43 PM
you guys do realize that it was the 0-6 dolphins?

Archer81
10-23-2011, 02:43 PM
Nice to get our first win in Mia ever. Doubly nice to have Denver score 18 straight points to get the win. Tebow will only get better.

The offensive play calling needs to change though. Way too much trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. And fortunately the playcalling switched up in the 4th qtr.

Good job, boys.

:Broncos:

HooptyHoops
10-23-2011, 02:43 PM
I turned to a different game when it was 15 - 0.....I saw that it was 15-7 and came back to watch....that was flipping awesome! Tebow is proving to be Elway like in this.....never give up on the game...PERIOD!! Love it!!

Man-Goblin
10-23-2011, 02:44 PM
What just happened?

Br0nc0Buster
10-23-2011, 02:44 PM
you guys do realize that it was the 0-6 dolphins?

yea its nice get a win
but if we play a halfway decent team and we prolly lose like 25-7 with that abomination of a offense like we saw today

Archer81
10-23-2011, 02:44 PM
Tears!?!

You kidding?

Guy was horrible. He needs to get his feet right, and get rid of the ball.

On so many plays he is horrible. Onside kick. D J Williams
awesome strip sack. He made like 6 good plays, about 15 bad ones.
Tebow was awful for 55 mins. Miracle win. Orton sadly wins that one going away.

Hopefully he gets alot better this week. Nowwhere to go but up.


Not in the least. In fact, our not being shut out streak probably ends.

:Broncos:

WABronco
10-23-2011, 02:45 PM
**** I AM NOT WORTHY.

I AM A TERRIBLE FAN! I WENT OUTSIDE AT HALF TIME AND ONLY JUST RETURNED. LORD TEBOW, HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL.

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 02:45 PM
This always gets me jazzed up

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jhns
10-23-2011, 02:46 PM
LOL @ haters scrambling for excuses in most every thread now.

Tebow!!!!!

razorwire77
10-23-2011, 02:46 PM
Awesome comeback. Tebow has an iron will and is an amazing play maker. However, I'm not going to crown him as the QBOTF. He was awful for 3 quarters. I'm definitively looking forward to the rest of the season though.

extralife
10-23-2011, 02:46 PM
isn't it a little weird that it was all the Tebow maniacs that stopped watching the game, and all us idiot malcontents that stuck through to the end?

Que
10-23-2011, 02:47 PM
Awesome comeback. Tebow has an iron will and is an amazing play maker. However, I'm not going to crown him as the QBOTF. He was awful for 3 quarters. I'm definitively looking forward to the rest of the season though.

This. I am not sold either but the rest of the season is sure going to be entertaining!

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 02:48 PM
What just happened?


Tebow made a bunch of people eat plates of poop within 4:00 minutes

OrangeSe7en
10-23-2011, 02:48 PM
I'm walking on clouds now. I'm glad Prater made that last kick since his two misses earlier made it an even steeper hill to climb.

The play calling didnt really allow for them to establish any kind of rhythm in the passing game. It became that much more obvious when they suddenly had success passing when they had to throw.

Requiem
10-23-2011, 02:49 PM
With wins like this, I'll give Tim the benefit of the doubt that he can improve on a lot of things that are holding him back. Good luck, Tim.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 02:49 PM
isn't it a little weird that it was all the Tebow maniacs that stopped watching the game, and all us idiot malcontents that stuck through to the end?


First step to addressing a problem is admitting you have one. Good job.

:Broncos:

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 02:49 PM
I still think he sucks. I guess I'm alone. No matter. We're stuck with him for at least this season and next, so I hope he gets better. He won't, but stranger things have happened.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 02:50 PM
yea its nice get a win
but if we play a halfway decent team and we prolly lose like 25-7 with that abomination of a offense like we saw today

Slowly building. Thats what we need this young team to do. Build on itself.

They did that today over the course of a game.

extralife
10-23-2011, 02:51 PM
First step to addressing a problem is admitting you have one. Good job.

:Broncos:

nomnom

Agamemnon
10-23-2011, 02:51 PM
Orton sadly wins that one going away.


Guess you missed where Tebow didn't turn the ball over and actually scored in the redzone when he was there, but you keep smoking that pipe...

Vegas_Bronco
10-23-2011, 02:52 PM
Seeing him hug DT at the end of the game and them embracing had me sobbing TJ. It was precious - a moment of true emotion...I couldn't hold back either.

If you truly consider the setbacks these two have overcome...you'd tear up too.

- signed they mommas and Vegas-Bronco

McDman
10-23-2011, 02:52 PM
Did you people not see how absolutely terrible he played the first 3 and a half quarters? Most teams beat us right there? It wasn't even the playcalling. You can't hold the ball for 6 seconds and you can't overthrow receivers by 5 yardd if you're going to win.

Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?

barryr
10-23-2011, 02:52 PM
Hmnm, how strange those easily forget. I remember a rookie QB years ago, drafted high in the draft who struggled mightily his first year and had many wondering if this guy could really play in the pocket and could be as good as advertised. He even lined up behind the guard once or twice his rookie year.

And in memorable game, his team was losing at home to one of the worse teams in the NFL at the time, but engineered a 4th quarter comeback to win the game.

Who was it? Oh, some guy named John Elway. Broncos were losing to the hapless Colts, 19-0, at MILE HIGH in the 4th quarter, but they scored 21 points to win it in the 4th quarter, which I believe was Elway's 1st of many 4th quarter comebacks.

Is that saying Tebow is like Elway? Of course not, so the ones wanting Tebow to fail can relax and stick to their Richard Dawkins' readings.

But it shows no one really can know what Tebow can become by this game, especially trying to write him off like some did to Elway and look how stupid they looked in the end.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 02:53 PM
I still think he sucks. I guess I'm alone. No matter. We're stuck with him for at least this season and next, so I hope he gets better. He won't, but stranger things have happened.

Goodness.

Yeah, a young player with tons of physical ability and little training isnt going to get better. Hilarious!

maven
10-23-2011, 02:53 PM
Good to see a win.

McDman
10-23-2011, 02:54 PM
Seeing him hug DT at the end of the game and them embracing had me sobbing TJ. It was precious - a moment of true emotion...I couldn't hold back either.

Sounds like someone. Needs to get bis priorities straight if you're crying over our second win of the season...

Archer81
10-23-2011, 02:54 PM
Did you people not see how absolutely terrible he played the first 3 and a half quarters? Most teams beat us right there? It wasn't even the playcalling. You can't hold the ball for 6 seconds and you can't overthrow receivers by 5 yardd if you're going to win.

Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?


Probably because the haters are looking for reasons to justify their dislike. Tebow needs work, clearly. But he got the team to a win.

Unless you are suggesting Denver is better served losing pretty rather than winning ugly?

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 02:55 PM
I was most impressed when Tebow got that onsides kick. Then, he stripped the ball from Moore. Awesome. Then he made that amazing catch down to the three yard line and on the next play, got the short out to score! Yay! Tebow!

GreatBronco16
10-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Tears!?!
Orton sadly wins that one going away.

Hilarious!:giggle:


Oh just get off it already. With no Lloyd, and the way the Oline wasn't holding up for the most part. Orton would have been lucky to finish the game.

Hilarious!Hilarious!

Lycan
10-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Did you people not see how absolutely terrible he played the first 3 and a half quarters? Most teams beat us right there? It wasn't even the playcalling. You can't hold the ball for 6 seconds and you can't overthrow receivers by 5 yardd if you're going to win.

Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?

Because inexperienced QBs make those mistakes. But they don't normally have comebacks like that. No one is saying he is the best ever (mostly) but he showed enough (for me at least) to keep playing.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Elway had talent, and he was smart.

Agamemnon
10-23-2011, 02:56 PM
I still think he sucks. I guess I'm alone. No matter. We're stuck with him for at least this season and next, so I hope he gets better. He won't, but stranger things have happened.

I just can't comprehend how people can fail to see the potential in this guy. Is he a good QB right now? No of course he's not. He has a lot to get better at. Is he something of a magical player? No doubt about it. Personally I'd like to wait and see what the magical yet raw QB might become, because it's pretty clear if he can refine his issues he could be something amazing. And then there's people that would rather give up on the guy before he's even really gotten started. To each their own...

extralife
10-23-2011, 02:56 PM
Probably because the haters are looking for reasons to justify their dislike. Tebow needs work, clearly. But he got the team to a win.

Unless you are suggesting Denver is better served losing pretty rather than winning ugly?

:Broncos:


I think his point is we should probably hold off with the pedestal, given that any team but the worst team in the NFL would have blown us out today. The stars aligned. They align more for Tebow (thus far) than for your average bear, but that ain't really something to hang your hat on in the NFL for too long.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 02:56 PM
Hmnm, how strange those easily forget. I remember a rookie QB years ago, drafted high in the draft who struggled mightily his first year and had many wondering if this guy could really play in the pocket and could be as good as advertised. He even lined up behind the guard once or twice his rookie year.

And in memorable game, his team was losing at home to one of the worse teams in the NFL at the time, but engineered a 4th quarter comeback to win the game.

Who was it? Oh, some guy named John Elway. Broncos were losing to the hapless Colts, 19-0, at MILE HIGH in the 4th quarter, but they scored 21 points to win it in the 4th quarter, which I believe was Elway's 1st of many 4th quarter comebacks.

Is that saying Tebow is like Elway? Of course not, so the ones wanting Tebow to fail can relax and stick to their Richard Dawkins' readings.

But it shows no one really can know what Tebow can become by this game, especially trying to write him off like some did to Elway and look how stupid they looked in the end.

Yep. Thats when people started believing. When this kind of stuff becomes a pattern, you begin to expect it.

Tebow has done this twice. Houston last year. Miami this year.

Taco John
10-23-2011, 02:57 PM
I still think he sucks. I guess I'm alone. No matter. We're stuck with him for at least this season and next, so I hope he gets better. He won't, but stranger things have happened.


He's definitely an enigma. He was awful out there for three quarters, and quite frankly so was the rest of the team. Those guys looked like they didn't even want to be there. It was like they were all pouting. Tebow was clearly in sync with nobody.

But then all of a sudden, out of the blue, like a bolt of lightning, everyone is SUPER competent and Tebow executes everything perfectly, and the team is suddenly in position to with the game. How do you trade that?

The answer is you don't. You coach it.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 02:57 PM
Goodness.

Yeah, a young player with tons of physical ability and little training isnt going to get better. Hilarious!

You guys act like he was drafted as a sophmore THIS YEAR out of Appalachian state or something. He shouldn't be this bad, this far into his career. Also, he's a moron. You can't teach stupid.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 02:57 PM
1. I was most impressed when Tebow got that onsides kick. 2. Then, he stripped the ball from Moore. Awesome. 3. Then he made that amazing catch down to the three yard line and on the 4. next play, got the short out to score! Yay! Tebow!


1. Which does not happen if Denver does not score the first TD.

2. Which would not have happened if Denver does not force OT.

3. Who threw it?

4. See # 3.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 02:57 PM
I think his point is we should probably hold off with the pedestal, given that any team but the worst team in the NFL would have blown us out today. The stars aligned. They align more for Tebow (thus far) than for your average bear, but that ain't really something to hang your hat on in the NFL for too long.

So Tebow depends on luck more than "your average bear"? I guess thats where all of his success comes from, eh? Ha!

Agamemnon
10-23-2011, 02:59 PM
Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?

Did you see what happened? This isn't about Tebow being a great QB right now. This is about his potential. If you can't see his potential because he's making rookie mistakes then you are a hater. Period.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 02:59 PM
I think his point is we should probably hold off with the pedestal, given that any team but the worst team in the NFL would have blown us out today. The stars aligned. They align more for Tebow (thus far) than for your average bear, but that ain't really something to hang your hat on in the NFL for too long.


?

We had a QB who won titles and got us to Superbowls by pulling ugly games out late. The bolded cannot be a legitimate argument, can it?

:Broncos:

jhns
10-23-2011, 02:59 PM
You guys act like he was drafted as a sophmore THIS YEAR out of Appalachian state or something. He shouldn't be this bad, this far into his career. Also, he's a moron. You can't teach stupid.

So you hate seeing the Broncos win games? He has produced in every game he has played. He averages a LOT more points than Orton.

Why do you hate the Broncos?

extralife
10-23-2011, 02:59 PM
So Tebow depends on luck more than "your average bear"? I guess thats where all of his success comes from, eh? Ha!

No, I'm saying he generates it more than your average bear. But at some point, you have to execute and play well as an offense over the course of a football game, rather than trip over yourself for three quarters and wait for the fire, which is what Tebow has made a habit of doing thus far in his career.

RhymesayersDU
10-23-2011, 02:59 PM
You guys act like he was drafted as a sophmore THIS YEAR out of Appalachian state or something. He shouldn't be this bad, this far into his career. Also, he's a moron. You can't teach stupid.

This far into his career? He's not even 1.5 seasons into what could be a 15 year career.

MplsBronco
10-23-2011, 03:00 PM
Did you people not see how absolutely terrible he played the first 3 and a half quarters? Most teams beat us right there? It wasn't even the playcalling. You can't hold the ball for 6 seconds and you can't overthrow receivers by 5 yardd if you're going to win.

Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?

Its his 4th FRIGGEN START! And in two of those he has led improbable comebacks.

Yes, he needs to improve. Everyone is in agreement. But the guy has something special. IF you can't see that and you are willing to readily dismiss that, then you are either stupid or blind.

I suggest you just let it go and get on board. Its gonna be a fun ride!

frerottenextelway
10-23-2011, 03:00 PM
I love the Denver Broncos!

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:00 PM
Because inexperienced QBs make those mistakes. But they don't normally have comebacks like that. No one is saying he is the best ever (mostly) but he showed enough (for me at least) to keep playing.

I can think of many rookies who have looked ten times better than that first three and a half quarters.

He is magic in the fourth but that was one of the worst performances I've ever seen before that.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-23-2011, 03:01 PM
I can think of many rookies who have looked ten times better than that first three and a half quarters.

He is magic in the fourth but that was one of the worst performances I've ever seen before that.

Still won. On the road. You'll get over it.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:01 PM
I can think of many rookies who have looked ten times better than that first three and a half quarters.

He is magic in the fourth but that was one of the worst performances I've ever seen before that.

Hates gonna hate...

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:02 PM
He's definitely an enigma. He was awful out there for three quarters, and quite frankly so was the rest of the team. Those guys looked like they didn't even want to be there. It was like they were all pouting. Tebow was clearly in sync with nobody.

But then all of a sudden, out of the blue, like a bolt of lightning, everyone is SUPER competent and Tebow executes everything perfectly, and the team is suddenly in position to with the game. How do you trade that?

The answer is you don't. You coach it.

What are you talking about? Our defense played very well.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:02 PM
You guys act like he was drafted as a sophmore THIS YEAR out of Appalachian state or something. He shouldn't be this bad, this far into his career. Also, he's a moron. You can't teach stupid.

Um...he just started his 4th game in the NFL. He's now 2-2, with both wins being fourth quarter comeback wins.

He's stupid? The guy has a college degree.

Enough with the bigotry already. The bigots probably should move on, because at this point Tebow isnt going anywhere. Its going to be rough sledding for you guys who hate Christians so much that you cant even pull for them when theyre on your favorite team.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:02 PM
So Tebow depends on luck more than "your average bear"? I guess thats where all of his success comes from, eh? Ha!

See, I'm not of the opinion he's lucky. I see a good athlete that doesn't know the word quit. Unfortunately, while that makes a heck of a running back, it doesn't make a very good QB. I can see him winning games, a la Micheal Vick, but when it comes down to really making the right play at the right time, and elevate himself to a level that makes him a Champion (see Elway or Brady) I don't think he has what it takes. He plays too much on instinct. Not enough on Brains. Just my opinion: Now, on your mark...get set...insult my mother and call me names!!

Gort
10-23-2011, 03:03 PM
Still won. On the road. You'll get over it.

no he won't. it's better for the Broncos to lose so he can tell us all how right he is about Tebow than for the Broncos to win ugly. there are a half dozen posters here like that. nothing Tebow does will be good enough. only Tebow failing will make them happy.

however, they don't realize it's not about Tebow. it's about the Broncos. i'm a supporter of giving Tebow a good long look, but even i got sick of Wilcotts constantly referring to Tebow instead of the Broncos on today's broadcast.

WABronco
10-23-2011, 03:03 PM
I can think of many rookies who have looked ten times better than that first three and a half quarters.

He is magic in the fourth but that was one of the worst performances I've ever seen before that.

Woopty ****in doo.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:04 PM
So you hate seeing the Broncos win games? He has produced in every game he has played. He averages a LOT more points than Orton.

Why do you hate the Broncos?

I'd like to beat teams other than the 0-6 dolphins

bendog
10-23-2011, 03:04 PM
No, I'm saying he generates it more than your average bear. But at some point, you have to execute and play well as an offense over the course of a football game, rather than trip over yourself for three quarters and wait for the fire, which is what Tebow has made a habit of doing thus far in his career.

Still young. Willing to work and good attitude. But you're right. He's not ready to take on the Steelers, Ravens and NE

schaaf
10-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Tebow did play bad the first 3 quarters but I am willing to blame half of that on the playcalling... And I am far from a Tebowite

extralife
10-23-2011, 03:05 PM
?

We had a QB who won titles and got us to Superbowls by pulling ugly games out late. The bolded cannot be a legitimate argument, can it?

:Broncos:

and I'll tell you Elway is a little overrated, but that's neither here nor there. If Tebow was ok through three quarters, that's one thing, but through three (and a half) quarters today he turned in perhaps the worst performance by an NFL QB that I have had the misfortune of witnessing. and worse, he didn't appear to be that concerned about it. that cannot happen again.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Hates gonna hate...

Great argument. Call me a hater instead of trying to answer my concerns. If you think he looked good before the fourth you're an idiot. Of course this is the guy who can't get over the McDaniels era so I don't even know why I bother responding to you.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:05 PM
See, I'm not of the opinion he's lucky. I see a good athlete that doesn't know the word quit. Unfortunately, while that makes a heck of a running back, it doesn't make a very good QB. I can see him winning games, a la Micheal Vick, but when it comes down to really making the right play at the right time, and elevate himself to a level that makes him a Champion (see Elway or Brady) I don't think he has what it takes. He plays too much on instinct. Not enough on Brains. Just my opinion: Now, on your mark...get set...insult my mother and call me names!!

Except he just did the exact opposite of what you are saying...

You are an idiot. No one can possibly know what Tebow will turn into. You saying that he won't be good is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Anyone claiming to know the future is an idiot that is just trying to cover for their earlier horrible takes.

Bronco Yoda
10-23-2011, 03:05 PM
http://www.claritystaffing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/smile.jpg

me so happy

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:06 PM
See, I'm not of the opinion he's lucky. I see a good athlete that doesn't know the word quit. Unfortunately, while that makes a heck of a running back, it doesn't make a very good QB. I can see him winning games, a la Micheal Vick, but when it comes down to really making the right play at the right time, and elevate himself to a level that makes him a Champion (see Elway or Brady) I don't think he has what it takes. He plays too much on instinct. Not enough on Brains. Just my opinion: Now, on your mark...get set...insult my mother and call me names!!

The guy is learning pocket play in the NFL.

He has played 4 games. F. O. U. R.

The guy just needs reps and time. The Broncos can give it to him.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 03:06 PM
I'd like to beat teams other than the 0-6 dolphins


And the 4-2 Bengals.

Odd season.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:06 PM
Hmnm, how strange those easily forget. I remember a rookie QB years ago, drafted high in the draft who struggled mightily his first year and had many wondering if this guy could really play in the pocket and could be as good as advertised. He even lined up behind the guard once or twice his rookie year.

And in memorable game, his team was losing at home to one of the worse teams in the NFL at the time, but engineered a 4th quarter comeback to win the game.

Who was it? Oh, some guy named John Elway. Broncos were losing to the hapless Colts, 19-0, at MILE HIGH in the 4th quarter, but they scored 21 points to win it in the 4th quarter, which I believe was Elway's 1st of many 4th quarter comebacks.

Is that saying Tebow is like Elway? Of course not, so the ones wanting Tebow to fail can relax and stick to their Richard Dawkins' readings.

But it shows no one really can know what Tebow can become by this game, especially trying to write him off like some did to Elway and look how stupid they looked in the end.

I was there. I saw it all. Every game. Tebow looks more like Flutie than Elway. Wake me when Tebow's arm comes anywhere near Elway's. Most legitimate analysts of the NFL still consider Big John's arm the best there ever was. And even in those early losses, it was easy to see. That's what kept you on the edge of your seat. Any minute John was going to uncork one that would make your jaw drop. Today, Tebow was throwing balls that just made you go, WTF? Like Shannon Sharpe pointed out today, your not going to keep winning just running the ball.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:07 PM
Um...he just started his 4th game in the NFL. He's now 2-2, with both wins being fourth quarter comeback wins.

He's stupid? The guy has a college degree.

Enough with the bigotry already. The bigots probably should move on, because at this point Tebow isnt going anywhere. Its going to be rough sledding for you guys who hate Christians so much that you cant even pull for them when theyre on your favorite team.

I love how not liking the way a guy plays QB in the national football league makes us bigots. I'm obviously not talking to someone who has rational thoughts. Let's move on. BTW- All of you that didn't like Jamarcus Russell all hate black people.

Gort
10-23-2011, 03:07 PM
and I'll tell you Elway is a little overrated, but that's neither here nor there. If Tebow was ok through three quarters, that's one thing, but through three (and a half) quarters today he turned in perhaps the worst performance by an NFL QB that I have had the misfortune of witnessing. and worse, he didn't appear to be that concerned about it. that cannot happen again.

did you not watch Orton at GB?

i have debunked your claim. your point is moot. you have failed.

;)

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:07 PM
and I'll tell you Elway is a little overrated, but that's neither here nor there. If Tebow was ok through three quarters, that's one thing, but through three (and a half) quarters today he turned in perhaps the worst performance by an NFL QB that I have had the misfortune of witnessing. and worse, he didn't appear to be that concerned about it. that cannot happen again.

Oh no you di-int.

Punisher
10-23-2011, 03:07 PM
Go Tebow!

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:08 PM
Great argument. Call me a hater instead of trying to answer my concerns. If you think he looked good before the fourth you're an idiot. Of course this is the guy who can't get over the McDaniels era so I don't even know why I bother responding to you.

Like he was given a fair chance early. What QB do you know that throws well when they run 15 times between each pass? What offense do you know that does well when they call QB draws on 80% of the third downs?

Tebow was a big part of the win. You are a hater. You have been a hater. All of the past haters are trying to make excuses for why Tebow didn't really help get this franchises first win in Miami.

You don't understand the basics of this sport.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:08 PM
Except he just did the exact opposite of what you are saying...

You are an idiot. No one can possibly know what Tebow will turn into. You saying that he won't be good is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Anyone claiming to know the future is an idiot that is just trying to cover for their earlier horrible takes.

Dang, I'm like Psychic or something. Who would have thought someone would insult me personally for my opinion? Odd

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:08 PM
and I'll tell you Elway is a little overrated

Wow. Thanks for proving you don't know wtf you are talking about. Poor Madden generation is so lost.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:09 PM
Dang, I'm like Psychic or something. Who would have thought someone would insult me personally for my opinion? Odd

Because your opinion shows you are a moron.

Why don't you give me the next lotto numbers Mrs Cleo.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:10 PM
I love how not liking the way a guy plays QB in the national football league makes us bigots. I'm obviously not talking to someone who has rational thoughts. Let's move on. BTW- All of you that didn't like Jamarcus Russell all hate black people.

You have an irrational perspective.

When people have irrational perspectives, you look for hang-ups. The irrational perspectives of many regarding Tebow come from bigots and people who hate UF.

TailgateNut
10-23-2011, 03:10 PM
If this game is any indication, the rest of the season is going to be a lot of fun.

We beat the frigging Fish. Pardon me if I don't break out the champagne. Gebus, you guys act like we just slayed the Packers.

The win was nice, but please hit the rewind to the first three quarters. Maybe we should play Orton in the first half and Tebow in the second? Might work.:~ohyah!:

MplsBronco
10-23-2011, 03:11 PM
Tebow did play bad the first 3 quarters but I am willing to blame half of that on the playcalling... And I am far from a Tebowite

The game plan was horrible. How about calling some high percentage stuff to get him in a rythm. They came out in a spread, which doesn't play to the personnel. It's like they don't know what the f they are doing.

Yes, Tebow needs to improve, but he's got things that you just can't coach. The whole offense was in a funk, yes they ran well but the rythm was off. It wasn't until after the first score did you really see the tempo start to improve and the body language appear as if there was purpose.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 03:11 PM
and I'll tell you Elway is a little overrated, but that's neither here nor there. If Tebow was ok through three quarters, that's one thing, but through three (and a half) quarters today he turned in perhaps the worst performance by an NFL QB that I have had the misfortune of witnessing. and worse, he didn't appear to be that concerned about it. that cannot happen again.


Tebow ended up with a 92 QB rating. He also said in his post game interview that the offense needs to get things going sooner in games.

Again it seems alot of people would prefer a pretty loser to an ugly winner. And with Tebow where he is four games into being a starter I find it awfully ridiculous for people to declare him a stop gap before we even see development over a full season. Next week he could go 22-30 and people would still find things to pick over. The hate for the guy is getting to be a little stupid.

Even with all the ugly, Denver won. In Miami for the first time ever.

:Broncos:

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:11 PM
Because your opinion shows you are a moron.

Why don't you give me the next lotto numbers Mrs Cleo.

Wow. you have anger issues. seriously. you don't even know me. How do you know I'm an idiot? How do you know I'm not ....say....a D1 College QB's coach or something? You really like dealing out the online insults don't you? I kinda feel bad for you.

NFLBRONCO
10-23-2011, 03:11 PM
A HS team could beat Miami lets not get nuts on this win.

extralife
10-23-2011, 03:12 PM
did you not watch Orton at GB?

i have debunked your claim. your point is moot. you have failed.

;)

Tebow was doing things like throwing the ball in the wrong direction, overthrowing open guys on fifteen yard outs by twenty yards, and taking 5 sacks by turning his back to the pressure and hoping it would go away. and he was doing this with an effective running game to back him up. against a winless team. I mean, lets not sugar coat it--it was bad news. It was bad enough that even a fair number of Tebowners in the game thread were ready to throw the guy under the bus. I don't know what happened man, I'm just calling it like it is.

Doggcow
10-23-2011, 03:12 PM
I was most impressed when Tebow got that onsides kick. Then, he stripped the ball from Moore. Awesome. Then he made that amazing catch down to the three yard line and on the next play, got the short out to score! Yay! Tebow!

I love **** like this, EVERYTHING is on Tebow if he loses, but if he wins OMG HE HAS THE BEST SUPPORTING CAST EVER.

**** off. I had some hater trying to tell me WILLIS WAS A PLAYMAKER because he had 1 long catch. Rofl...

Tebow wins this game in a blowout if we make those fieldgoals too. Momentum killers.

Agamemnon
10-23-2011, 03:13 PM
Still young. Willing to work and good attitude. But you're right. He's not ready to take on the Steelers, Ravens and NE

Almost no one on this team is...

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:13 PM
Dang, I'm like Psychic or something. Who would have thought someone would insult me personally for my opinion? Odd

Really man...you cant come in here after the most exciting Broncos victory since the last Tebow victory, throw out an incessant line of "Tebow sucks", including the kicker of "Tebow sucks and he'll never be good because he's stupid" and expect that people not go after you.

You are asking for it...otherwise known as "trolling".

schaaf
10-23-2011, 03:13 PM
A HS team could beat Miami lets not get nuts on this win.

I don't agree with this. Miami completely dominated the jets last week and just couldn't punch it in. Miami has played pretty well especially today

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:13 PM
Like he was given a fair chance early. What QB do you know that throws well when they run 15 times between each pass? What offense do you know that does well when they call QB draws on 80% of the third downs?

Tebow was a big part of the win. You are a hater. You have been a hater. All of the past haters are trying to make excuses for why Tebow didn't really help get this franchises first win in Miami.

You don't understand the basics of this sport.

And how many of those runs were called because the coaching staff didn't trust Tebow to make the pass? Tebow had some wide open receivers, including a deep post to Decker for an easy six, and he threw passes that were so bad the announcers had trouble figuring out who the **** he was trying to throw it to. And it's the OC's fault? Hilarious!

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:13 PM
Wow. you have anger issues. seriously. you don't even know me. How do you know I'm an idiot? How do you know I'm not ....say....a D1 College QB's coach or something? You really like dealing out the online insults don't you? I kinda feel bad for you.

This is easy to see. Who cares if you were though? McCoy is our coordinator and he shouldn't even be coaching high school. McDaniels was our coach and ditto...

You are a clown. You are claiming a player will never be good when he has been very productive. He has been productive with horrible game plans and little talent around him. This is how I know you are an idiot.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:14 PM
You have an irrational perspective.

When people have irrational perspectives, you look for hang-ups. The irrational perspectives of many regarding Tebow come from bigots and people who hate UF.

How is it irrational to think this guy doesn't read defenses well, or makes bad throws. Or to see he hasn't made any significant improvement since he came in the league? These are all things I'm sure you have even noticed. Look, the dude may prove me wrong. Unlike others around here, I can admit I've been wrong before, but seriously, you guys come out guns blazing ready to call people bigots and morons just because i see something you don't. It's my opinion. I hardly see how having a well reasoned opinion, even if you think it's wrong, makes me irrational.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 03:14 PM
A HS team could beat Miami lets not get nuts on this win.


When you have one completely blind midget and a legally blind midget in a fist fight, you cheer when the legally blind midget pulls it out late.


:Broncos:

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:14 PM
And how many of those runs were called because the coaching staff didn't trust Tebow to make the pass? Tebow had some wide open receivers, including a deep post to Decker for an easy six, and he threw passes that were so bad the announcers had trouble figuring out who the **** he was trying to throw it to. And it's the OC's fault? Hilarious!

That is not better. If you aren't going to play him, why would you make the switch.

No matter the spin, this coaching staff is terrible.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:15 PM
Like he was given a fair chance early. What QB do you know that throws well when they run 15 times between each pass? What offense do you know that does well when they call QB draws on 80% of the third downs?

Tebow was a big part of the win. You are a hater. You have been a hater. All of the past haters are trying to make excuses for why Tebow didn't really help get this franchises first win in Miami.

You don't understand the basics of this sport.

So if you don't think he is going to be very good you're automatically a hater? ItMs weird, I've said I want him to succeed multiple time but yet if I'm skeptical I'm a hater. Fantastic logic.

Punisher
10-23-2011, 03:15 PM
Really man...you cant come in here after the most exciting Broncos victory since the last Tebow victory, throw out an incessant line of "Tebow sucks", including the kicker of "Tebow sucks and he'll never be good because he's stupid" and expect that people not go after you.

You are asking for it...otherwise known as "trolling".

Ahhh He does suck

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:15 PM
How is it irrational to think this guy doesn't read defenses well, or makes bad throws. Or to see he hasn't made any significant improvement since he came in the league? These are all things I'm sure you have even noticed. Look, the dude may prove me wrong. Unlike others around here, I can admit I've been wrong before, but seriously, you guys come out guns blazing ready to call people bigots and morons just because i see something you don't. It's my opinion. I hardly see how having a well reasoned opinion, even if you think it's wrong, makes me irrational.

The problem is you aren't using a well reasoned opinion.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:16 PM
So if you don't think he is going to be very good you're automatically a hater? ItMs weird, I've said I want him to succeed multiple time but yet if I'm skeptical I'm a hater. Fantastic logic.

No. If you say he won't ever be good, you are a hater. If you are making excuses as to why the productive Tebow is horrible, you are a hater.

Shananahan
10-23-2011, 03:16 PM
I like wins like this sometimes. Everybody seems to show their true colors afterward.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:17 PM
This is easy to see. Who cares if you were though? McCoy is our coordinator and he shouldn't even be coaching high school. McDaniels was our coach and ditto...

You are a clown. You are claiming a player will never be good when he has been very productive. He has been productive with horrible game plans and little talent around him. This is how I know you are an idiot.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were done. You my friend need counselling, or a chill pill, or something. The Broncos are just a football team and Tebow doesn't love you. Weather I think he sucks or not, his future is in HIS hands. Your anger and indignation is wasted on a faceless message board. Seriously, you need to relax.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:18 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were done. You my friend need counselling, or a chill pill, or something. The Broncos are just a football team and Tebow doesn't love you. Weather I think he sucks or not, his future is in HIS hands. Your anger and indignation is wasted on a faceless message board. Seriously, you need to relax.

I have no anger. I just enjoy laughing at idiots.

Get a brain and I won't laugh at you.

TailgateNut
10-23-2011, 03:19 PM
I was most impressed when Tebow got that onsides kick. Then, he stripped the ball from Moore. Awesome. Then he made that amazing catch down to the three yard line and on the next play, got the short out to score! Yay! Tebow!


I saw that too. He is exciting AND AWESOME!

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:20 PM
The problem is you aren't using a well reasoned opinion.

I just gave you several solid football reasons I think he will never be a good NFL QB. You may not agree with them, and I may be wrong, it doesn't make me irrational. You understand what I'm saying right? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying a rational position isn't always correct. I'm looking at it from a purely football stand point of the thing I know about him after watching him in college and the Pro's. Many disagree, many agree with me. I don't think any of them are irrational. It's not a perfect art. If it was none of us would know who Ryan Leaf or Kijana carter are.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:20 PM
I just gave you several solid football reasons I think he will never be a good NFL QB.

LOL

No you didn't...

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:21 PM
How is it irrational to think this guy doesn't read defenses well, or makes bad throws. Or to see he hasn't made any significant improvement since he came in the league? These are all things I'm sure you have even noticed. Look, the dude may prove me wrong. Unlike others around here, I can admit I've been wrong before, but seriously, you guys come out guns blazing ready to call people bigots and morons just because i see something you don't. It's my opinion. I hardly see how having a well reasoned opinion, even if you think it's wrong, makes me irrational.

Seriously guy...you just said that "Tebow wouldn't be any good because he's stupid".

That's not an informed opinion, and people should rightly challenge you on it.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:21 PM
No. If you say he won't ever be good, you are a hater. If you are making excuses as to why the productive Tebow is horrible, you are a hater.

I never said he won't be good, I said I don't think he will. There is a big difference i'd love to be wrong. Oh well, I'm just a hater!

SonOfLe-loLang
10-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I just gave you several solid football reasons I think he will never be a good NFL QB. You may not agree with them, and I may be wrong, it doesn't make me irrational. You understand what I'm saying right? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying a rational position isn't always correct. I'm looking at it from a purely football stand point of the thing I know about him after watching him in college and the Pro's. Many disagree, many agree with me. I don't think any of them are irrational. It's not a perfect art. If it was none of us would know who Ryan Leaf or Kijana carter are.

I just think the reasonhe's dumping on you is because people dump on Tim all the time. Im sitting at a sports bar today, surrounded by "experts" who all say he'll never be good, sucks at everything, and then got down on his every mistake. These people never watched broncos games previous to this, they just like to hate.

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I love **** like this, EVERYTHING is on Tebow if he loses, but if he wins OMG HE HAS THE BEST SUPPORTING CAST EVER.

**** off. I had some hater trying to tell me WILLIS WAS A PLAYMAKER because he had 1 long catch. Rofl...

Tebow wins this game in a blowout if we make those fieldgoals too. Momentum killers.

And you Tebow ball munchers refuse to give any credit to any of the other Broncos on the field today who made some of the biggest plays of the game. As far as you're concerned, the only number on the field today was 15. Tebow played like **** for three quarters. Who kept us in the game? Sorry for being a Broncos fan instead of a Tebow fan. I see a QB who has a very long way to go. You guys are slapping the crown on him and dancing in the streets because, together, as a team, THE BRONCOS were able to pull out an OT win against an 0 and six team. I'm going to go ahead and hold off on the coronation for now.

Lycan
10-23-2011, 03:22 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were done. You my friend need counselling, or a chill pill, or something. The Broncos are just a football team and Tebow doesn't love you. Weather I think he sucks or not, his future is in HIS hands. Your anger and indignation is wasted on a faceless message board. Seriously, you need to relax.

Whether. Sorry, not normally a grammar Nazi, but that one caused me physical pain.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I never said he won't be good, I said I don't think he will. There is a big difference i'd love to be wrong. Oh well, I'm just a hater!

I didn't say you said that. The second part is what applies to you...

The first part applies to the other douche in this thread.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I just gave you several solid football reasons I think he will never be a good NFL QB. You may not agree with them, and I may be wrong, it doesn't make me irrational. You understand what I'm saying right? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying a rational position isn't always correct. I'm looking at it from a purely football stand point of the thing I know about him after watching him in college and the Pro's. Many disagree, many agree with me. I don't think any of them are irrational. It's not a perfect art. If it was none of us would know who Ryan Leaf or Kijana carter are.

Just don't even try. If you have any reservations about him you're a hater and you're wrong. Of course this is coming from the board's second biggest troll.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:23 PM
Really man...you cant come in here after the most exciting Broncos victory since the last Tebow victory, throw out an incessant line of "Tebow sucks", including the kicker of "Tebow sucks and he'll never be good because he's stupid" and expect that people not go after you.

You are asking for it...otherwise known as "trolling".

I'm not trolling, I'm giving my opinion of a public figure. You do realize the thread is ABOUT Tim Tebow right?

Punisher
10-23-2011, 03:23 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were done. You my friend need counselling, or a chill pill, or something. The Broncos are just a football team and Tebow doesn't love you. Weather I think he sucks or not, his future is in HIS hands. Your anger and indignation is wasted on a faceless message board. Seriously, you need to relax.

This

Tebow won't show up to anyone's funeral here

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:24 PM
Whether. Sorry, not normally a grammar Nazi, but that one caused me physical pain.

LOL Sorry, I do that. I have trouble with that one and two others. When I'm typing in a hurry I'll mix them up. I understand. The Their, they're, there one gets me.

TheReverend
10-23-2011, 03:25 PM
Maybe the best 10 minutes of football I've ever seen at the end and some people are angry?

Lol

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 03:26 PM
Doesn't an era have to be more than one year? I hope he improves so it becomes an ” era”.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:27 PM
Maybe the best 10 minutes of football I've ever seen at the end and some people are angry?

Lol

Yeah but the rest of the game had already convinced people looking for self-fulfilling prophecies that the QB of the team was a failure who would never make it.

They still cant believe that the ending was different.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:27 PM
Maybe the best 10 minutes of football I've ever seen at the end and some people are angry?

Lol

I think I gave up being angry at the broncos games in 1990. Controversey makes the blogosphere go round.:yayaya: Besides, i got enough problems with My Cardinal going to USC next Saturday. The Broncos are kind of in the back ground this year.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 03:27 PM
Maybe the best 10 minutes of football I've ever seen at the end and some people are angry?

Lol


The usual people.

Apparently losing pretty is preferable to some.


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:27 PM
Maybe the best 10 minutes of football I've ever seen at the end and some people are angry?

Lol

Who's angry? I think the Denver Tebows are the awesomest! :flower:

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:28 PM
Yeah but the rest of the game had already convinced people looking for self-fulfilling prophecies that the QB of the team was a failure who would never make it.

They still cant believe that the ending was different.

This.

Haters gonna hate.

Chris
10-23-2011, 03:28 PM
Hmnm, how strange those easily forget. I remember a rookie QB years ago, drafted high in the draft who struggled mightily his first year and had many wondering if this guy could really play in the pocket and could be as good as advertised. He even lined up behind the guard once or twice his rookie year.

And in memorable game, his team was losing at home to one of the worse teams in the NFL at the time, but engineered a 4th quarter comeback to win the game.

Who was it? Oh, some guy named John Elway. Broncos were losing to the hapless Colts, 19-0, at MILE HIGH in the 4th quarter, but they scored 21 points to win it in the 4th quarter, which I believe was Elway's 1st of many 4th quarter comebacks.

Is that saying Tebow is like Elway? Of course not, so the ones wanting Tebow to fail can relax and stick to their Richard Dawkins' readings.

But it shows no one really can know what Tebow can become by this game, especially trying to write him off like some did to Elway and look how stupid they looked in the end.

I love Richard Dawkins and Tebow.

Shananahan
10-23-2011, 03:28 PM
Doesn't an era have to be more than one year? I hope he improves so it becomes an ” era”.
The journey of 1,000 miles begins with an exciting, come-from behind win in overtime.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:28 PM
I think I gave up being angry at the broncos games in 1990. Controversey makes the blogosphere go round.:yayaya: Besides, i got enough problems with My Cardinal going to USC next Saturday. The Broncos are kind of in the back ground this year.

Ah, so theres the rub.

No Lucky for you.

TheDave
10-23-2011, 03:28 PM
For 50+ minutes he looked worse that anything I can remember... then he single handedly won the game.

Wow... I'm literaly speachless.

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:29 PM
BTW, Chiefs are thumping the Raiders 14 to 0. ;D

orangemonkey
10-23-2011, 03:29 PM
I just gave you several solid football reasons I think he will never be a good NFL QB. You may not agree with them, and I may be wrong, it doesn't make me irrational. You understand what I'm saying right? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying a rational position isn't always correct. I'm looking at it from a purely football stand point of the thing I know about him after watching him in college and the Pro's. Many disagree, many agree with me. I don't think any of them are irrational. It's not a perfect art. If it was none of us would know who Ryan Leaf or Kijana carter are.

He will never be a great NFL pocket passer but your are clueless of you think he can't be a good NFL passer on the run. He already is. Denver coaching needs to keep him on the run and split the read field in half with a backside outlet. Do that and he's effin' dangerous and potentially elite.

Shananahan
10-23-2011, 03:29 PM
Who's angry? I think the Denver Tebows are the awesomest! :flower:
I know you're a fan of the team and are probably happy about the win, but this backlash is overdone.

Grumps
10-23-2011, 03:30 PM
So if you don't think he is going to be very good you're automatically a hater? ItMs weird, I've said I want him to succeed multiple time but yet if I'm skeptical I'm a hater. Fantastic logic.

No problem with skepticism. Problem when dumbasses can't look and see that he has good potential and when douchbags can't see that he won't look good using Orton's offense, hasn't had much time to practices with the 1's, and hasn't been in the league long.

Maybe he will live up to his potential, maybe he won't, but to be overly critical which is what a lot of you morons are doing is ridiculous. Give him time and design a better system for him.

barryr
10-23-2011, 03:31 PM
I love Richard Dawkins and Tebow.

You're one of the few that can separate the two. The athiest types around here stupidly think they have to hate Tebow because of religion. Thank you for having an open mind at least.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:31 PM
No problem with skepticism. Problem when dumbasses can't look and see that he has good potential and when douchbags can't see that he won't look good using Orton's offense, hasn't had much time to practices with the 1's, and hasn't been in the league long.

Maybe he will live up to his potential, maybe he won't, but to be overly critical which is what a lot of you morons are doing is ridiculous. Give him time and design a better system for him.

Great post. You explain it better than I do.

elsid13
10-23-2011, 03:32 PM
We're bad, just not as bad as Miami. For Tebow, he needs to get better.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:32 PM
Ah, so theres the rub.

No Lucky for you.

You kinda got me. i'd love nothing more than to buy a Luck jersey in Broncos colors next year. I am however a realist and know that:

1.The Broncos won't be in the position to do so
2.A young Qb needs at least one full season starting before you can give up on him, so I think no matter how bad Tebow is, we won't be combing for draft picks at the Qb spot this year.

I also didn't think much of him out of college, so it was way before this year. I think if the Broncos want a Cardinal, they should draft David DeCastro.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:32 PM
No problem with skepticism. Problem when dumbasses can't look and see that he has good potential and when douchbags can't see that he won't look good using Orton's offense, hasn't had much time to practices with the 1's, and hasn't been in the league long.

Maybe he will live up to his potential, maybe he won't, but to be overly critical which is what a lot of you morons are doing is ridiculous. Give him time and design a better system for him.

/end thread

Rep.

broncobum6162
10-23-2011, 03:33 PM
He's a winner. NUFF SAID. JUST LIKE A FORMER HOF QB!

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:34 PM
You kinda got me. i'd love nothing more than to buy a Luck jersey in Broncos colors next year.

I had neglected the "suck for luck" angle. Though the bigot angle and the suck for luck angle are not mutually exclusive.

Most suck for luck Broncos followers get angry about wins and just focus on the negatives while completely ignoring the positives.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:35 PM
If we aren't overly critical, then why are we here? If you guys just wanted to sit around and pat each other on the back, things would get kinda boring I'm guessing.

barryr
10-23-2011, 03:35 PM
No problem with skepticism. Problem when dumbasses can't look and see that he has good potential and when douchbags can't see that he won't look good using Orton's offense, hasn't had much time to practices with the 1's, and hasn't been in the league long.

Maybe he will live up to his potential, maybe he won't, but to be overly critical which is what a lot of you morons are doing is ridiculous. Give him time and design a better system for him.

Well said ^5

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:35 PM
If we aren't overly critical, then why are we here? If you guys just wanted to sit around and pat each other on the back, things would get kinda boring I'm guessing.

You can be overly critical. And we will laugh at you.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:37 PM
No problem with skepticism. Problem when dumbasses can't look and see that he has good potential and when douchbags can't see that he won't look good using Orton's offense, hasn't had much time to practices with the 1's, and hasn't been in the league long.

Maybe he will live up to his potential, maybe he won't, but to be overly critical which is what a lot of you morons are doing is ridiculous. Give him time and design a better system for him.

I've never said he doesn't have potential. Being in Orton's offense has nothing to do with not being able to make decisions, release the ball, or accuracy.

There are people on both sides of the spectrum. Everyone calls people trolls if you are skeptical but are there not people here who aren't skeptical enough?

I'll say it once again, he is awesome in the fourth and I hope he succeeds but from what I have seen I don't think he will be a successful QB. I hope I am wrong but I just don't see. Guess I'm a troll and a hater.

broncobum6162
10-23-2011, 03:37 PM
I'm in tears. This is awesome.
I'll never forget. Campfire @ Elway HOF induction. We have another one.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:38 PM
I'm a troll and a hater.

Yeah you are.

SJ Bronco
10-23-2011, 03:38 PM
I had neglected the "suck for luck" angle. Though the bigot angle and the suck for luck angle are not mutually exclusive.

Most suck for luck Broncos followers get angry about wins and just focus on the negatives while completely ignoring the positives.

So because I'm one of literally 32 teams that would love to have Luck, THAT is why I don't think Tebow will be a superbowl champion? Kind of a reach don't you think? I have nothing against Miami...in fact I enjoyed the Orange bowl in January.:~ohyah!: I loved Harbaugh too, but that didn't make me hate fox. Cause and effect are kind of strange. You can't automatically connect the two. I'd like to have a few dozen QB's instead of Tebow. Luck just happens to be my favorite. Hey, there is a reason I became a Broncos fan in the first place. Another Qb from Stanford when I was just a little tike. I love my cardinal! I won't apologize for that.

Jesterhole
10-23-2011, 03:38 PM
Did you people not see how absolutely terrible he played the first 3 and a half quarters? Most teams beat us right there? It wasn't even the playcalling. You can't hold the ball for 6 seconds and you can't overthrow receivers by 5 yardd if you're going to win.

Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?

I don't think you can get into any kind of rhythm in 8 tries either. He never got a chance to get going, and was probably so full of adrenaline that he was having trouble connecting.

He ran for 65 yards and the two pointer to tie, didn't turn it over, and made some big time throws in the 4th to get it done. He's still a rookie to me, and as long as he can build on this game, I'm happy.

At least Bronco football is fun to watch again.

USMCBladerunner
10-23-2011, 03:39 PM
I sure wasn't crying, but I was laughing and shaking my head after the game. Tebow's play during that game will get us beat nearly every week, but it's plain to see that the offensive coordinator hasn't figured out how to call a game for Tebow. The only time he's effective is out of the gun with nothing to lose (caveat-or the red zone, he's a TD freak in the red zone).

The D will have to get better, a lot better, to make this work against better teams, but it can work. Hell the Titans won a weirdly large number of games with Vince Young based on the keep it close and then win late with VY's full spectrum threat. I think Tebow has far more upside than VY did, if you include the brain in the talent assessment.

I was completely ready to see Tebow next week, even after three quarters of some really painful football. The last 5 minutes of regulation just added an element of excitement instead of pure curiosity. Overtime goes to DJ for the big play and Matt Prater nailing what was a bitch of a game winner given his two misses at the same range.

I guess what excites me about Tebow is that I was pretty much 100% certain that we would convert the 2 point conversion. His skill set is really unique and may take a minute to refine and plan to, but he's got some rare stuff in certain aspects of the game.

Oh and I'm super extra happy that we recovered that onside kick. Go Broncos.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-23-2011, 03:40 PM
You can't play the Dolphins every week.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:40 PM
So because I'm one of literally 32 teams that would love to have Luck, THAT is why I don't think Tebow will be a superbowl champion?

No...that is why your perceptions are skewed.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:40 PM
Yeah you are.

That hurts so much coming from the biggest troll of them all. You are right below MacGruder on the d bag list.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:42 PM
That hurts so much coming from the biggest troll of them all. You are right below MacGruder on the d bag list.

And you are a pathetic McFan that hates seeing good things happen to this team.

Are you ever going to support something good for this franchise as you claim to be a fan?

Br0nc0Buster
10-23-2011, 03:42 PM
For 50+ minutes he looked worse that anything I can remember... then he single handedly won the game.

Wow... I'm literaly speachless.

lol I thought the same thing

Its like he purposely put us in a hole only so he could bring us out of it

Dr. Broncenstein
10-23-2011, 03:45 PM
For 50+ minutes he looked worse that anything I can remember... then he single handedly won the game.

Wow... I'm literaly speachless.

A previously good poster who has since lost his way once told me in a rep message, where I was upset about drafting Tebow:

"You will succumb to the Tebow."

Truer words...

Shananahan
10-23-2011, 03:45 PM
At least Bronco football is fun to watch again.
Basically this.

How everyone here immediately launched back into bickering, arguing, name-calling, etc after that win is beyond me.

McDman
10-23-2011, 03:45 PM
And you are a pathetic McFan that hates seeing good things happen to this team.

Are you ever going to support something good for this franchise as you claim to be a fan?

Not only was I happy McD got fired I was jumping up amd down in the bar today. But you're right, I love it when we lose. This is coming from the guy who actually did cheer against us last year.

MrPeepers
10-23-2011, 03:47 PM
we are no longer winless in miami if thats worth something. check that one off the franchise record book.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:47 PM
Not only was I happy McD got fired I was jumping up amd down in the bar today. But you're right, I love it when we lose. This is coming from the guy who actually did cheer against us last year.

I have never cheered against this team. You call me a troll as you troll the board. Funny stuff.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 03:48 PM
we are no longer winless in miami if thats worth something. check that one off the franchise record book.


400th win in franchise history, as well.


:Broncos:

barryr
10-23-2011, 03:49 PM
we are no longer winless in miami if thats worth something. check that one off the franchise record book.

Yes, I think it is since Miami has not always had great teams when the Broncos played there, but just could not get a win. Not even in Jacksonville either, so they at least got that off their backs.

Shananahan
10-23-2011, 03:49 PM
I have never cheered against this team. You call me a troll as you troll the board. Funny stuff.
I don't know if you're a troll or not, but you definitely waste a lot of time and clutter up a lot of threads with stupid, pointless arguments on a regular basis.

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:50 PM
I don't know if you're a troll or not, but you definitely waste a lot of time and clutter up a lot of threads with stupid, pointless arguments on a regular basis.

So? It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation on here. What else is there to do?

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:55 PM
I know you're a fan of the team and are probably happy about the win, but this backlash is overdone.

It's only in response to being attacked as a hater for not bowing down to the coronation of the new king. This was a great win, and a very fun game to watch. Does it mean we have our franchise QB? That's what some people seem to think. Look at the name of the thread. A lot of the guys made big plays today to win this game. The team kept fighting, on both sides of the ball, and pulled out a win. Together. Why does Tebow get all the credit? Dawkins had the best game I've seen him have in a while. DJ made the play of the game. STs got an onsides kick in the fourth quarter. Fells made the catch of the game. The running game kept us in the game. Even Knowshon looked fired up and was attacking more than I've seen him in a while. In fact, Tebow made an incredible play when he scrambled out of an (almost) safety to gain 20 yards on a third and 18 and keep the drive alive. Tebow sucked for three quarters and then made some great plays in the fourth quarter with the help of some great catches, to pull out the win. Realistically, it was against an 0 and 6 team, but hey, this is still a great boost for the team. Giving all the credit to one player is misguided, IMHO. I'm still a realist, after all.

This "all Tebow or nothing" bull**** is annoying in the extreme, and I'm going to have all kinds of fun plucking the strings of the small minds that engage in such bull****. ;D

Hell, look at some of the posts on here. There are posters planning their Tebow HOF trip. :rofl:

jhns
10-23-2011, 03:57 PM
It's only in response to being attacked as a hater for not bowing down to the coronation of the new king. This was a great win, and a very fun game to watch. Does it mean we have our franchise QB? That's what some people seem to think. Look at the name of the thread. A lot of the guys made big plays today to win this game. The team kept fighting, on both sides of the ball, and pulled out a win. Together. Why does Tebow get all the credit? Dawkins had the best game I've seen him have in a while. DJ made the play of the game. STs got an onsides kick in the fourth quarter. Fells made the catch of the game. The running game kept us in the game. Even Knowshon looked fired up and was attacking more than I've seen him in a while. In fact, Tebow made an incredible play when he scrambled out of an (almost) safety to gain 20 yards on a third and 18 and keep the drive alive. Tebow sucked for three quarters and then made some great plays in the fourth quarter with the help of some great catches, to pull out the win. Realistically, it was against an 0 and 6 team, but hey, this is still a great boost for the team. Giving all the credit to one player is misguided, IMHO. I'm still a realist, after all.

This "all Tebow or nothing" bull**** is annoying in the extreme, and I'm going to have all kinds of fun plucking the strings of the small minds that engage in such bull****. ;D

You know what is even more annoying? A lot of people, like you, were this exact same way with McDaniels. "Love him or leave him!"

Now that there is a kid doing good things, you don't want to act the same way. This is why a lot of you are called haters. This is at least why I see a lot of you as haters. Where is the homerism now?

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 03:59 PM
You know what is even more annoying? A lot of people, like you, were this exact same way with McDaniels. "Love him or leave him!"

Now that there is a kid doing good things, you don't want to act the same way. This is why a lot of you are called haters. This is at least why I see a lot of you as haters. Where is the homerism now?

How did I know you would somehow spin this into a McDaniel's thread? Ha!

jhns
10-23-2011, 04:01 PM
How did I know you would somehow spin this into a McDaniel's thread? Ha!

Because it should be pointed out in every thread. So many claimed we had to like McDaniels because he was a Bronco. Everyone that didn't like him was a troll that needed to go be a Bears or Redskins fan. These same posters are now doing the exact opposite with the current Broncos. It makes you all seem like you enjoyed what McDaniels did here. How can you be more of a homer for him and Orton than you are for Tebow, Fox, and Elway?

elsid13
10-23-2011, 04:02 PM
At the end of the day I still don't know what we have at QB and neither does anyone else (and that includes the Front Office). Are we getting the kid that looked like **** for the first three and half quarters or or do we have the kid that looked good when Miami went to more zone/prevent look and the game was on the line?

As I posted before we are bad, but not as bad as Miami.

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 04:04 PM
Because it should be pointed out in every thread. So many claimed we had to like McDaniels because he was a Bronco. Everyone that didn't like him was a troll that needed to go be a Bears or Redskins fan. These same posters are now doing the exact opposite with the current Broncos. It makes you all seem like you enjoyed what McDaniels did here. How can you be more of a homer for him and Orton than you are for Tebow, Fox, and Elway?

Good luck with that. :wave:

jhns
10-23-2011, 04:06 PM
Good luck with that. :wave:

Luck? It is my love of the Broncos that makes me want what is good for them. I'm not sure how luck would play into that. You haters need to stop pretending that you are fans. "I am the bestest Bronco fan that always loves what is bad for the franchise! Oh, and I hate everything that shows it could be good!"

You Rams fans are annoying.

RaiderH8r
10-23-2011, 04:07 PM
You can't play the Dolphins every week.

Yeah, but we still have the chiefs twice this year so it is a pretty close comparison.

RaiderH8r
10-23-2011, 04:08 PM
At the end of the day I still don't know what we have at QB and neither does anyone else (and that includes the Front Office). Are we getting the kid that looked like **** for the first three and half quarters or or do we have the kid that looked good when Miami went to more zone/prevent look and the game was on the line?

As I posted before we are bad, but not as bad as Miami.

We should dump McCoy and find out what our O can really do.

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 04:09 PM
Luck? It is my love of the Broncos that makes me want what is good for them. I'm not sure how luck would play into that. You haters need to stop pretending that you are fans. "I am the bestest Bronco fan that always loves what is bad for the franchise! Oh, and I hate everything that shows it could be good!"

You Rams fans are annoying.

Okay. Good luck with that. :wave:

Agamemnon
10-23-2011, 04:10 PM
At the end of the day I still don't know what we have at QB and neither does anyone else (and that includes the Front Office). Are we getting the kid that looked like **** for the first three and half quarters or or do we have the kid that looked good when Miami went to more zone/prevent look and the game was on the line?

As I posted before we are bad, but not as bad as Miami.

The Dolphins never ran any prevent you dolt...

jhns
10-23-2011, 04:10 PM
Okay. Good luck with that. :wave:

No luck needed. Just brains(and love of the Broncos).

TheReverend
10-23-2011, 04:16 PM
when Miami went to more zone/prevent look and the game was on the line?

Well that never happened lol

elsid13
10-23-2011, 04:22 PM
Well that never happened lol

Rev they did back off in the final quarter and went more zone. Especial on the first TD.

elsid13
10-23-2011, 04:24 PM
The Dolphins never ran any prevent you dolt...

Read what I said again. I wrote zone/prevent look. In the 4th the played back with more zone look, keeping the play in front of them.

zdoor
10-23-2011, 04:30 PM
Good and bad but he has some magic...

snowspot66
10-23-2011, 04:31 PM
Did you people not see how absolutely terrible he played the first 3 and a half quarters? Most teams beat us right there? It wasn't even the playcalling. You can't hold the ball for 6 seconds and you can't overthrow receivers by 5 yardd if you're going to win.

Why is it people are haters if they look at the game in it's entirety and see what actually happened?

Because you obviously didn't watch what happened. We were running at least 2 of every three plays as a run if not more. How is that NOT terrible play calling?

broncosteven
10-23-2011, 04:32 PM
It was a great comeback, they executed and got every thing they needed to get it done.

I can't remember any of our other QB's since Elway with a great comeback like this. It has been a long time coming.

broncswin
10-23-2011, 04:36 PM
Tears!?!

You kidding?

Guy was horrible. He needs to get his feet right, and get rid of the ball.

On so many plays he is horrible. Onside kick. D J Williams
awesome strip sack. He made like 6 good plays, about 15 bad ones.
Tebow was awful for 55 mins. Miracle win. Orton sadly wins that one going away. Hopefully he gets alot better this week. Nowwhere to go but up.

LOL...Orton wouldn't of made it to half time of this game with that pressure...Tebow is terrible with his reads right now...but the pressure Miami brought was damn good today...Orton woulda got lit up...Hilarious!

McDman
10-23-2011, 04:38 PM
Because you obviously didn't watch what happened. We were running at least 2 of every three plays as a run if not more. How is that NOT terrible play calling?

Again, for the tenth time. Playcalling doesn't make you overthrow receivers by five or ten yards. It also doesn't make you sit in the pocket for six seconds.

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 04:42 PM
Again, for the tenth time. Playcalling doesn't make you overthrow receivers by five or ten yards. It also doesn't make you sit in the pocket for six seconds.

I am going to say nerves were a big part of tebows poor game he knew the game plan was designed to keep him in check he seemed overly worried about making mistakes.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-23-2011, 04:44 PM
well i not shure if i fit in with the loonies here , but seeing tebow only played o say 4 games im going to give him oh like 10 games to get it right. Dont know if Tebow is the future of Denver or not but i like the guy. think people need to give the guy a chance. whats our other option sign some free agent scrub?

snowspot66
10-23-2011, 04:45 PM
Again, for the tenth time. Playcalling doesn't make you overthrow receivers by five or ten yards. It also doesn't make you sit in the pocket for six seconds.

But it does limit you to 14 pass attempts through the first 55 minutes of the game.

Those overthrows are things he'll need to work on and while he's working on them he'll need to make a couple of plays with his feet to make up for it. That he will do. But when you run a QB draw on three of the first four third downs? That's bull**** play calling.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-23-2011, 04:46 PM
also the pro and anti zealot Tebow fans anti fans suck for luck people need to calm down a bit your alls getting waaaay too over worked by this.

WABronco
10-23-2011, 04:48 PM
also the pro and anti zealot Tebow fans anti fans suck for luck people need to calm down a bit your alls getting waaaay too over worked by this.

STFU

Agamemnon
10-23-2011, 04:52 PM
Read what I said again. I wrote zone/prevent look. In the 4th the played back with more zone look, keeping the play in front of them.

So they were playing a zone defense? Why are you using the word prevent then? That's like calling any deep pass a hail mary.

And honestly I saw way too much blitzing late to believe for a second they were playing deep zone coverages exclusively. Someone will have to watch the replays and see.

Arkie
10-23-2011, 04:54 PM
How can someone look so bad and still be within striking distance 15 points down in the 4th quarter? Even when he was thrown in cold the 2nd half of the last game. I don't get it. It's like he made a deal with the devil, and then he went on the win a HS championship, NCAA national championship, and to be continued...

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 04:56 PM
How can someone look so bad and still be within striking distance 15 points down in the 4th quarter? Even when he was thrown in cold the 2nd half of the last game. I don't get it. It's like he made a deal with the devil, and then he went on the win a HS championship, NCAA national championship, and to be continued...


I fully credit boob mojo and jebus.

elsid13
10-23-2011, 04:59 PM
So they were playing a zone defense? Why are you using the word prevent then? That's like calling any deep pass a hail mary.

And honestly I saw way too much blitzing late to believe for a second they were playing deep zone coverages exclusively. Someone will have to watch the replays and see.

I used prevent because they were keeping the play in front them and the DB were giving a good 15 yard cushion. They were "preventing" a quick strike and forcing Denver to make multiply play to score. In OT they went back to 8 man front and press coverage.

Taco John
10-23-2011, 05:03 PM
At the end of the day I still don't know what we have at QB and neither does anyone else (and that includes the Front Office). Are we getting the kid that looked like **** for the first three and half quarters or or do we have the kid that looked good when Miami went to more zone/prevent look and the game was on the line?

As I posted before we are bad, but not as bad as Miami.


We're getting both. Tebow is Tebow.

jhns
10-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Tebows two wins are huge come from behind victories. He almost brought us back in our last game, after being thrown into a horrible situation. I don't care what anyone says, we haven't had a player like that in a while.

2-2 is a pretty good start for a QB on a bad team.

elsid13
10-23-2011, 05:10 PM
We're getting both. Tebow is Tebow.

The problem TJ is I don't know if we can win that way. Of all the position on the field you can not have QB that goes hot/cold and be an elite team.

Arkie
10-23-2011, 05:12 PM
I fully credit boob mojo and jebus.

We've got a secret weapon. God is our co-pilot!

http://www.icollector.com/images/1202/18549/18549_0146_3_lg.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 05:35 PM
The problem TJ is I don't know if we can win that way. Of all the position on the field you can not have QB that goes hot/cold and be an elite team.

Tebow just finished his fourth game as a starter.

You expect young players to have inconsistent performances.

Toward the back quarter of the season we'll really see what Tebow is starting to shape up to be.

But we won't really have a good idea of his long-term prospects until he has had an entire camp and preseason with the 1's and gets through about half of next season.

iforgotmypassword
10-23-2011, 05:40 PM
.....wow.... can people really not see that Tebow was allowed to pass down the field on two drives.... which became scoring drives???

He didn't have a HORRIBLE game, the offensive staff had a HORRIBLE game. Tebow followed the game plan and had a few bad plays.

rbackfactory80
10-23-2011, 05:48 PM
I have been all Tebow forever. I was chilling at the bar and sometime in the third quarter I screamed out, "Tebow doesn't even belong on an NFL field". He came through though and showed the most important thing you can show as a quarterback. He showed he can elevate his game in tough situations. Excellent win Tim.

barryr
10-23-2011, 05:50 PM
.....wow.... can people really not see that Tebow was allowed to pass down the field on two drives.... which became scoring drives???

He didn't have a HORRIBLE game, the offensive staff had a HORRIBLE game. Tebow followed the game plan and had a few bad plays.

Yep, which brought back Elway-Reeves flashbacks.

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 05:51 PM
.....wow.... can people really not see that Tebow was allowed to pass down the field on two drives.... which became scoring drives???

He didn't have a HORRIBLE game, the offensive staff had a HORRIBLE game. Tebow followed the game plan and had a few bad plays.

You obviously didn't see his passes in the first three quarters. Maybe there was a reason the OC didn't want to call too many pass plays?

Taco John
10-23-2011, 05:53 PM
The problem TJ is I don't know if we can win that way. Of all the position on the field you can not have QB that goes hot/cold and be an elite team.

I think he showed that we can win this way, and that no matter how bad he plays on any given game, he can summon the lightning from heaven to put us in position to win.

The point is, we're going to go through a season of this stuff. By the end of it, we're going to know what we know now. Tim Tebow looks ugly a lot of the time, and he looks amazing the other part of it. And somehow, we end up winning games we had no business winning.

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 05:55 PM
I think he showed that we can win this way, and that no matter how bad he plays on any given game, he can summon the lightning from heaven to put us in position to win.

The point is, we're going to go through a season of this stuff. By the end of it, we're going to know what we know now. Tim Tebow looks ugly a lot of the time, and he looks amazing the other part of it. And somehow, we end up winning games we had no business winning.

So your suggesting that many posters should invest in a set of cardiac paddles?

barryr
10-23-2011, 05:58 PM
I think he showed that we can win this way, and that no matter how bad he plays on any given game, he can summon the lightning from heaven to put us in position to win.

The point is, we're going to go through a season of this stuff. By the end of it, we're going to know what we know now. Tim Tebow looks ugly a lot of the time, and he looks amazing the other part of it. And somehow, we end up winning games we had no business winning.

Isn't that what they said about Elway until around the timer Reeves left or when Shanahan became the coach at least?

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 05:58 PM
You obviously didn't see his passes in the first three quarters. Maybe there was a reason the OC didn't want to call too many pass plays?

Seriously, my 2 year old has better footwork.

I cant believe we didnt call more sideline comebacks, slants, etc.. I need to watch the game again. That said, its hard to blame mccoy, he looked like a bad pop warner qb, A BAD ONE!!!

Until the last 4 mins....

He needs a gun to his head to play well.

Tebow needs to pray for god to save our hearts from his cardiac arrest performances.

elsid13
10-23-2011, 06:05 PM
Isn't that what they said about Elway until around the timer Reeves left or when Shanahan became the coach at least?

Hardly. I wish folks would stop making the comparison between Elway and Tebow.

razorwire77
10-23-2011, 06:07 PM
He is what he is right now. Hopefully, over the course of the season we see improvement with his timing, footwork, reads and how long he holds the ball. I have no doubt he will put in the work. The kids is definitely an incredible athlete and competitor. That's the most fun I've had watching a Bronco game since, well, the Texan's game last year. However, let's not kid ourselves, if the Broncos are playing a halfway decent team, they lose by 4 scores with that type of offensive performance.

barryr
10-23-2011, 06:08 PM
Hardly. I wish folks would stop making the comparison between Elway and Tebow.

Selective memory by you(unless you are in your teens and too young to remember) since that is exactly what Elway was deemed, too inaccurate to be a pocket passer. And just because I compare them does not mean I think they will have the same success, but anybody with sense could get that.

elsid13
10-23-2011, 06:15 PM
Selective memory by you(unless you are in your teens and too young to remember) since that is exactly what Elway was deemed, too inaccurate to be a pocket passer. And just because I compare them does not mean I think they will have the same success, but anybody with sense could get that.

I remember Elway's early struggle, but the biggest problem wasn't that ball was placed in the wrong place or he couldn't throw it from the pocket, but rather he threw it to hard (the Elway cross) and always threw the fastball.

barryr
10-23-2011, 06:23 PM
I remember Elway's early struggle, but the biggest problem wasn't that ball was placed in the wrong place or he couldn't throw it from the pocket, but rather he threw it to hard (the Elway cross) and always threw the fastball.

That was the least of the problems. No, he was deemed too dumb(even though we went to Stanford) to read defenses and had bad judgement by throwing into double coverages too often, trusting his fastball could get between defenders.

Why Reeves wanted a ball control, conservative run first offense since he did not trust Elway to throw as much until they were behind and had no other choice. One reason Elway had so many 4th quarter comebacks is because they were behind so often, so had many chances.

And I happen, at least in the game, to see the same kind of thing. Play it close, conservative play calling and then open it up when have to.

Is that saying I think Tebow is as good as Elway from one game? Hardly. I do worry though since yeah, Elway was able to do that, but to expect Tebow to make it a career doing that seems unrealistic to say the least. There was only one Elway.

mhgaffney
10-23-2011, 06:39 PM
It was obvious for 3 and a half quarters that whatever they did to prepare Tebow did not work.

He looked lost most of the time -- and off balance. His throws were terrible.

But then -- with the game on the line in the 4th -- Tebow reverted to who he is -- and pulled it out.

Somehow the Denver coaches are failing the kid. They need to help rather than hurt -- figure out how to prepare this guy for a game -- so he plays his own game from the first snap.

mhgaffney
10-23-2011, 06:40 PM
It was obvious for 3 and a half quarters that whatever they did to prepare Tebow did not work.

He looked lost most of the time -- and off balance. His throws were terrible.

But then -- with the game on the line in the 4th -- Tebow reverted to who he is -- and pulled it out.

Somehow the Denver coaches are failing the kid. They need to help rather than hurt -- figure out how to prepare this guy for a game -- so he plays his own game from the first snap.

OBF1
10-23-2011, 06:58 PM
1 day into the Tebow "experience" and we have just doubled our win total vs orton behind center in 5 games.

Some of you are just fu ck ed up biotches.

gyldenlove
10-23-2011, 07:04 PM
I think he showed that we can win this way, and that no matter how bad he plays on any given game, he can summon the lightning from heaven to put us in position to win.

The point is, we're going to go through a season of this stuff. By the end of it, we're going to know what we know now. Tim Tebow looks ugly a lot of the time, and he looks amazing the other part of it. And somehow, we end up winning games we had no business winning.

Lets not get too excited, the Dolphins have one of the worst pass defenses in the league and haven't won a game this year.

Tebow displayed a worrying number of fundamental flaws in this game, he had no pocket awareness of pressure on his blind side, at least twice he turned his back to the end zone in passing situations, he tap dances around the pocket instead of setting his feet and firing the pass, he holds on to the football for so long that small children can catch a full nap between the snap and the throw (or sack), his accuracy on intermediate and long passes is woeful, he had a few go several yards out of bounds, had one land a good 10 yards from his WR and overthrew a wide open Decker for what would have been an easy catch and run TD and if not for a circus type catch by Fells on the last drive to get the 1st and goal this could have been a loss.

Tebow is not all bad though, he does bring that element of danger with his ability to run, we saw it a few times during the game when he would turn a lost play into a 1st down and he does elevate his game and his intensity in crunch time.

I think the biggest thing we need to do is have him throw those short passes, use the short timing routes to keep the defense from backing up in passing situations and stacking the box in other situations, you have to keep them guessing. We saw it on the last 2 drives, once he gets the short quick passes it takes a bit of pressure of the pass rush and it opens up the defense a bit.

Popps
10-23-2011, 07:06 PM
The problem TJ is I don't know if we can win that way. Of all the position on the field you can not have QB that goes hot/cold and be an elite team.

He's obviously got to improve in the early parts of the game, but it's fair to say that he's only playing in his 4th game as a starter.

He just needs to show enough improvement throwing the ball to allow the staff to open up the offense for him, and to help put some points on the board before we fall behind in games.

TotallyScrewed
10-23-2011, 07:07 PM
LOL...Orton wouldn't of made it to half time of this game with that pressure...Tebow is terrible with his reads right now...but the pressure Miami brought was damn good today...Orton woulda got lit up...Hilarious!

I think that Miami played one of their better if not best games today. I think that they were really pissed about the halftime and "laying down" statements and were out to prove themselves. It may not have been their superbowl but maybe a playoff game. They owned the Broncos in every way for 3.7 quarters but it wasn't enough.

Great TEAM win!

TotallyScrewed
10-23-2011, 07:17 PM
I remember Elway's early struggle, but the biggest problem wasn't that ball was placed in the wrong place or he couldn't throw it from the pocket, but rather he threw it to hard (the Elway cross) and always threw the fastball.

He threw it into the dirt infield, high, wide and too hard. He held the ball too long. He threw into double and even triple coverage. He threw late across the middle. He did the sliding into second base slide and a bunch of other mistakes. But he was also very confident in his abilities and made enough "wow" plays to keep the defense and the fans guessing.

I'm not saying move over John. But I did see enough, to say Tebow starts for the foreseeable future.

I hate the idea that the Broncos starting QB is a week to week decision. How can we be sure that anyone is on-board and planning appropriately?

HAT
10-23-2011, 07:46 PM
And somehow, we end up winning games we had no business winning.

Wait, what?

Denver was coming off of their bye and playing a winless team who just played MNF.

Archer81
10-23-2011, 07:50 PM
Wait, what?

Denver was coming off of their bye and playing a winless team who just played MNF.


Until today Denver was 0-7 all time in Miami vs the Dolphins.


:Broncos:

KO5K
10-23-2011, 08:01 PM
Wait, what?

Denver was coming off of their bye and playing a winless team who just played MNF.

Lets not pretend that Denver are world beaters.

We suck almost as much as the Dolphins do, nearly every analyst chose the Dolphins to win this game, I don't think the team are getting enough credit for this win.

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 08:04 PM
Lets not pretend that Denver are world beaters.

We suck almost as much as the Dolphins do, nearly every analyst chose the Dolphins to win this game, I don't think the team are getting enough credit for this win.



So we earned some street cred with the talking heads?

HAT
10-23-2011, 08:15 PM
Until today Denver was 0-7 all time in Miami vs the Dolphins.


:Broncos:

That's all well and good but Denver was in a beautiful spot today. To say they had no business winning that game like TJ did is just plain dumb.

KO5K
10-23-2011, 08:19 PM
So we earned some street cred with the talking heads?

The point was that this wasn't a guaranteed win, we suck.

SoCalBronco
10-23-2011, 08:19 PM
That's all well and good but Denver was in a beautiful spot today. To say they had no business winning that game like TJ did is just plain dumb.

Umm...no, its not.

We were down 15-0 with like 3 minutes and change remaining. If you simulate it 100 times, we might win the game like....twice. Tops. Taco is right....we had no business winning. Whether we had a bye or not and whether they had just played on MNF or not, we were getting outplayed almost the whole game.

HAT
10-23-2011, 08:19 PM
We suck almost as much as the Dolphins do, nearly every analyst chose the Dolphins to win this game

Dude, the game opened at -3 and got hammered all the way down to a pick. I even saw Denver -1/2 at one shop this morning. Do you have any idea how much money it takes to move a game from -3 to -2-1/2? (Let alone all the way to PK.

Everybody and their grandma was on Denver today....Including the sharps who bought them earlyier in the week.

HAT
10-23-2011, 08:21 PM
Umm...no, its not.

We were down 15-0 with like 3 minutes and change remaining. If you simulate it 100 times, we might win the game like....twice. Tops. Taco is right....we had no business winning. Whether we had a bye or not and whether they had just played on MNF or not, we were getting outplayed almost the whole game.

That would be neat if that's what we were talking about.

Popps
10-23-2011, 08:22 PM
Umm...no, its not.

We were down 15-0 with like 3 minutes and change remaining. If you simulate it 100 times, we might win the game like....twice. Tops. Taco is right....we had no business winning. Whether we had a bye or not and whether they had just played on MNF or not, we were getting outplayed almost the whole game.

People forget that it took a recovered onside to stay in the game. What did the PBP guy say today... there was only one successfully executed this season?

We had a lot go our way in the final minutes, but you have to give Tebow credit for sparking the whole thing again. Some guys just have that thing about them, and he's got it.

We just need him to improve to even a moderately good pocket passer. Hopefully we'll be patient with him.

SoCalBronco
10-23-2011, 08:25 PM
People forget that it took a recovered onside to stay in the game. What did the PBP guy say today... there was only one successfully executed this season?

We had a lot go our way in the final minutes, but you have to give Tebow credit for sparking the whole thing again. Some guys just have that thing about them, and he's got it.

We just need him to improve to even a moderately good pocket passer. Hopefully we'll be patient with him.

Agreed. Hopefully, its just a matter of reps. It was obvious that the game was moving too fast for him for much of the time. Perhaps it will slow down after another month or so. It's going to be an incremental progression with alot of bumps along the way I'm sure, but progress is all we can ask. I believe we'll see progress because I know the work ethic is there.

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 08:26 PM
Dude, the game opened at -3 and got hammered all the way down to a pick. I even saw Denver -1/2 at one shop this morning. Do you have any idea how much money it takes to move a game from -3 to -2-1/2? (Let alone all the way to PK.

Everybody and their grandma was on Denver today....Including the sharps who bought them earlyier in the week.

<«----- This guy.

Still, we had no business winning that game with a few min to go.

But we should have won the game by 10 from the start, this jeckyl hyde act of tebows is something in 30 years Ive never seen before. We need to hypnotize mccoy and tebow that we are down 8 with 2 mins at all times.

The td pass to fells, great call by mccoy!!

TonyR
10-23-2011, 08:36 PM
Tebow might have been one quarter away from playing himself back out of the starting lineup. He was shut out for three quarters against a Miami defense that entered the game ranked 26st in the NFL. In addition, the Dolphins (0-6) are in chaos with a head coach (Tony Sparano) who could be fired soon.

It's up to each individual to determine how much weight to place on Tebow's first three quarters versus the hot streak at the end of the game. Was it a fluke? Or is this part of the Tebow package?

"It's never as good as it seems and it's never as bad as it seems," Tebow said afterward.

The bottom line: Tebow is 1-0 as a starter for the Broncos in 2011. That's enough to give him more looks this season.

But Tebow's uneven performance against Miami certainly raised more questions than answers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/33102/the-myth-and-legend-of-tim-tebow

SoCalBronco
10-23-2011, 08:41 PM
We can always count on Tony to find some way to slight Tebow.

Last week it was "so I'm looking at the stat line and I don't see the big deal" (paraphrasing) and now citing articles....I'm sure this was totally random.

Give it up, man. Just give it up. We know he has flaws, but you're playing the same tune every time.

Requiem
10-23-2011, 08:42 PM
Hey -- I know this is the Tebow Era thread, but was there any reason for Carter starting over Moore at S today?

TonyR
10-23-2011, 08:45 PM
We can always count on Tony to find some way to slight Tebow.

Last week it was "so I'm looking at the stat line and I don't see the big deal" (paraphrasing) and now citing articles....I'm sure this was totally random.

Give it up, man. Just give it up. We know he has flaws, but you're playing the same tune every time.

Good lord, SoCal, take a Xanax bro! Providing some perspective on what's being said in the national media. Where's the slight of Tebow, exactly? Why the witch hunt?

JoRo
10-23-2011, 08:48 PM
Well, he definitely earned the opportunity to play next week, regardless of the flaws. I just hope he improves or we'll be back in the hunt for another QB down the road.

SoCalBronco
10-23-2011, 08:52 PM
Good lord, SoCal, take a Xanax bro! Providing some perspective on what's being said in the national media. Where's the slight of Tebow, exactly? Why the witch hunt?

We know he sucked for the vast majority of the game. Even the homers (except for maybe MacGruder) readily admit this. Last week, you said he didn't look like he was that much of a big deal just looking at the stat line when you should have watched the game first and before that you could be reasonably described as anti-Tebow and now you just happen to cite a critical article.

We know he has huge issues and his game was uneven at best. But there's real magic there. And no....you aren't providing perspective on what is being said in the national media. As you might imagine, the OM's respect level for the national media's generally ignorant and ill-informed view on our team is roughly equivalent to our respect level for Gaddafi. We're not all that interested and we've never been all that interested. It's pretty transparent that you don't like the guy...fine, I accept that and accept the kid has issues, but don't hide behind an article claiming you are just trying to educate us as to what the media thinks. Give the kid a break already. I know you don't like him, but for one day, he helped to make a miracle happen. Give him props for once.

rbackfactory80
10-23-2011, 08:55 PM
We can always count on Tony to find some way to slight Tebow.

Last week it was "so I'm looking at the stat line and I don't see the big deal" (paraphrasing) and now citing articles....I'm sure this was totally random.

Give it up, man. Just give it up. We know he has flaws, but you're playing the same tune every time.

Yeah. It saddens me that people who post that tripe feel good about it.

LetsGoBroncos
10-23-2011, 08:55 PM
How do I start a thread? Keep getting an error message

Inkana7
10-23-2011, 08:56 PM
Good lord, SoCal, take a Xanax bro! Providing some perspective on what's being said in the national media. Where's the slight of Tebow, exactly? Why the witch hunt?

Yeah seriously. I didn't see anything negative in posting that article. Especially because it's pretty damn accurate and an example of what *every* article on Tebow this week is going to say.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-23-2011, 09:11 PM
oh my did i piss some people off o well tebow still needs a lil more work, and seems like some of you still are overly sensitive to any critcism of Tebow . like it or not Tebow needs a lil more work and i hope he will stay around for as long as Elway did.
btw Tebow has only started 4 games FOUR GAMES and the jury is still out on Tebow. now people calm down dont start going into keyboard internet rage. ok calm down.

rbackfactory80
10-23-2011, 09:15 PM
oh my did i piss some people off o well tebow still needs a lil more work, and seems like some of you still are overly sensitive to any critcism of Tebow . like it or not Tebow needs a lil more work and i hope he will stay around for as long as Elway did.
btw Tebow has only started 4 games FOUR GAMES and the jury is still out on Tebow. now people calm down dont start going into keyboard internet rage. ok calm down.


Great post........................Not.


It is one thing to be critical of Tebow, even I am. It is another when you are doing it just because you are bitter your boyfriend Orton is on the bench. Tebow sucked but he was also great. The bitter posters who hate Tebow only acknowledge the Tebow sucked part.

Taco John
10-23-2011, 09:22 PM
Wait, what?

Denver was coming off of their bye and playing a winless team who just played MNF.

Yeah, and we were down 15-0. You watched the game right?

HAT
10-23-2011, 09:25 PM
Yeah, and we were down 15-0. You watched the game right?

Right. They had no business being down 15-0 against Miami in the spot they were in.