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DarkHorse30
10-22-2011, 10:34 AM
remarkably, he admits he may have been ready to quit the year before Cutler was drafted.
"I've been where (Orton) is," Plummer said. "And I remember when (Jay) Cutler took over. At that stage for me and nobody knew this at the time but I was done, I was done playing ball. I was ready the year before a little bit. I was considering it then. Had we won the Super Bowl, I would have been like, 'Peace, NFL, I got my childhood dream of a Super Bowl ring, I'm done with you.' You don't want to go out like that, (but) I knew right then I was done."

You can't really blame Shanahan for picking Cutler, he probably read the writing on the wall when Plummer folded it up in the AFCCG. I'm just surprised that Plummer admits he was ready to quit during the middle of a pretty good year that led to an AFCCG. Wow.

Read more: Jake Plummer feels Kyle Orton's pain after Broncos benching - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19169219#ixzz1bX5BHEZu
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HooptyHoops
10-22-2011, 10:37 AM
Wow...I really liked him and it did look like he just quit on the team when he finally got benched....it was just bizarre when you actually watched that unfold!

vonqkilla
10-22-2011, 10:50 AM
The playcalling was bad, and Jake was no game manager. Shanny starts the rook, and got more aggressive. Stupid.

TheReverend
10-22-2011, 10:52 AM
"Peace, NFL"

Oh man I love Jake.

Nice of him to finally take responsibility for that too. Been a long time coming.

Good luck with your handball goals of 2012.

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 10:56 AM
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4114/2107kollettejakew0066ro.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-22-2011, 11:26 AM
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4114/2107kollettejakew0066ro.jpg

God damn, I love that.

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 11:28 AM
God damn, I love that.

lol Yea.

Dude looks happy which is most likely why he walked away.


http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3067/2660kollettejakew0066eh2.jpghttp://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4114/2107kollettejakew0066ro.jpg
Great pics of them after the wedding.

crush17
10-22-2011, 11:29 AM
God damn, I love that.

Seriously. Me too.

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 11:42 AM
God damn, I love that.

I think its really a discount card to some squash equipment place.

fontaine
10-22-2011, 12:00 PM
Jake's wrong. Anybody who paid attention in that season where he was benched pretty much knew he had quit.

DarkHorse30
10-22-2011, 12:04 PM
The playcalling was bad, and Jake was no game manager. Shanny starts the rook, and got more aggressive. Stupid.
...trying to find something other than a rambling non-sequitur in your post.....but.......am.....unsuccessful.

Garcia Bronco
10-22-2011, 12:05 PM
No Jake...we could tell by the way you played and carried yourself that you were done. Just like Kyle Orton.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-22-2011, 12:10 PM
I loved Plummer when he was here... But seriously what a spurned little biatch thing to say.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-22-2011, 12:16 PM
Also, is there some kind of mediocre quarterback advocacy association?

ColoradoDarin
10-22-2011, 12:19 PM
Jake said "Peace NFL" when Pat was killed in Afghanistan. That really took his heart out of the game.

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 12:25 PM
Jake said "Peace NFL" when Pat was killed in Afghanistan. That really took his heart out of the game.


Yup I really think the Pat thing and then finding the love of his life made football seem kinda not as important.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-22-2011, 12:28 PM
Jake said "Peace NFL" when Pat was killed in Afghanistan. That really took his heart out of the game.

Really? Because his best year as a professional came right after his heart was taken out of the game....

Borks147
10-22-2011, 12:43 PM
Really? Because his best year as a professional came right after his heart was taken out of the game....

You mean the year he just admitted that he had already started thinking about quitting? The year we had 2000 yards rushing and all he had to do was hit wide open receivers on boot legs? Yeah...

Sodak
10-22-2011, 12:49 PM
Plummer was just being real. Recalling what he really thinks and feels. That is much more than the predictable BS that comes out of players mouths when asked a question. Can't knock the guy for honesty.

extralife
10-22-2011, 01:43 PM
Plummer was just being real. Recalling what he really thinks and feels. That is much more than the predictable BS that comes out of players mouths when asked a question. Can't knock the guy for honesty.

I couldn't knock him for it the first three times he did it, but the act is getting a little old now. We get it, Jake--you hate Shanahan, you hate Broncos fans, you hate football, and you're a quitter. Get over yourself.

Sodak
10-22-2011, 02:00 PM
If Jeff Legwold didn't need some more dirt for his article in the Post, I'm sure Jake could care less. He was probably called, and asked his opinion, so he gave it. I'm sure Jake hasn't changed his mind on the subject, coach, team, etc. Really can't blame the guy. I think us NFL fans almost expect everybody to tow the company line. I could tell you what Tebow will say before he answers a question because his incentive lies squarely in saying what is expected. Really, I'm not sure why the media even bothers to interview players. The most they can hope to achieve is a defensive or emotional response when they goad a player into saying something so they can write a headline. It's all bull****. Everything.

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 02:05 PM
Lets see , A. take a beating every Sunday and wake up sore , or B. hang out with Kollette all day and wake up "sore" ....


I'm going with B.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:26 PM
If Jeff Legwold didn't need some more dirt for his article in the Post, I'm sure Jake could care less. He was probably called, and asked his opinion, so he gave it. I'm sure Jake hasn't changed his mind on the subject, coach, team, etc. Really can't blame the guy. I think us NFL fans almost expect everybody to tow the company line. I could tell you what Tebow will say before he answers a question because his incentive lies squarely in saying what is expected. Really, I'm not sure why the media even bothers to interview players. The most they can hope to achieve is a defensive or emotional response when they goad a player into saying something so they can write a headline. It's all bull****. Everything.

The cool thing about Tebow is that he believes what he says. Its not just jock-speak. When he says he's going to go out there and try to lead by playing hard, you know that he's going to do it.

McDman
10-22-2011, 02:52 PM
I ****ing loved Plummer. The guy was fun to watch.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:54 PM
I ****ing loved Plummer. The guy was fun to watch.

Plummer had us in the playoffs every year.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 02:54 PM
The cool thing about Tebow is that he believes what he says. Its not just jock-speak. When he says he's going to go out there and try to lead by playing hard, you know that he's going to do it.

Why are you bringing up Tebow in a Jake Plummer thread? ??? All of the rest of the threads on the page aren't enough; this one has to be about Tebow too? I don't get it.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:55 PM
Why are you bringing up Tebow in a Jake Plummer thread? ??? All of the rest of the threads on the page aren't enough; this one has to be hijacked too? I don't get it.

The guy made a comment about Tebow.

Get over it. Its just going to get worse for you unless you do.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 02:57 PM
The guy made a comment about Tebow.

Get over it. Its just going to get worse for you unless you do.

I'm so intimidated about "it getting worse for me". :rolleyes:

:spamattac :threadjac

Bob's your Information Minister
10-22-2011, 02:59 PM
Jake gave you best years of your lives post-Elway...how funny is that.

**** on him, morons. Maybe you can go trade for another garbage QB like Orton.

extralife
10-22-2011, 03:00 PM
Plummer didn't give us ****. He had a top 3 defense, the best running game in the league, and the Shanahan/Kubiak duo at its best. He was literally the worst QB in the NFL in the pocket, and everything we did had to be bent around his liabilities.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:01 PM
I'm so intimidated about "it getting worse for me".

Well, you're openly rooting against our starting QB. You're tilting at windmills though because this guy has been successful at every level. That's why its going to get worse for you. Broncos nation is about to become Tebow nation just like it became Elway nation in the 1980s.

Get over it, get used to it, or find yourself miserable.

extralife
10-22-2011, 03:02 PM
so what you are saying is every thread should be about Tebow because you are an insecure narcissist and you are going to make every thread about Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:02 PM
so what you are saying is every thread should be about Tebow because you are an insecure narcissist and you are going to make every thread about Tebow.

You need to get over it too.

extralife
10-22-2011, 03:03 PM
I'll just cross my fingers that you'll fly off the handle and get banned the first time Tebow has a bad game.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:08 PM
I'll just cross my fingers that you'll fly off the handle and get banned the first time Tebow has a bad game.

Tebow will have bad games. John had bad games.

I'm perfectly fine with that.

You should get over it, or find another team to root for. Things have changed with the Broncos.

Popps
10-22-2011, 03:13 PM
Jake made Broncos football fun again. Hated to see him go.

But, Timmy has a lot of the same qualities Jake had... so hopefully that excitement will return.

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 03:17 PM
Jake made Broncos football fun again. Hated to see him go.

But, Timmy has a lot of the same qualities Jake had... so hopefully that excitement will return.

I keep telling people that there's a lot of Jake in Tebow and that Tebow would shine in the same O we used to make Jake look good.


They kept showing film on espn this week of Tebow and plays we ran with him that give him half field reads with 2 pass options in it. Soon as I seen it I was like yea like we did with Jake.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:20 PM
I keep telling people that there's a lot of Jake in Tebow and that Tebow would shine in the same O we used to make Jake look good.


They kept showing film on espn this week of Tebow and plays we ran with him that give him half field reads with 2 pass options in it. Soon as I seen it I was like yea like we did with Jake.

Yup.

I really enjoyed Jake, and I enjoy Teebs as well.

Gort
10-22-2011, 03:22 PM
Jake's wrong. Anybody who paid attention in that season where he was benched pretty much knew he had quit.

i said it on OM at the time. i got the sense that Tillman's death really, really affected him and made him realize there was more to life than living under the microscope that is being an NFL QB, and that he was wealthy enough to retire and never have to worry about money anymore. coupled with how difficult Shanny was as a taskmaster to him, it was easy to see his early retirement coming.

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 03:22 PM
Jake gave you best years of your lives post-Elway...how funny is that.

**** on him, morons. Maybe you can go trade for another garbage QB like Orton.


you got your own problems fat *** now run along and polish off a bearclaw.

extralife
10-22-2011, 03:24 PM
Tebow will have bad games. John had bad games.

I'm perfectly fine with that.

You should get over it, or find another team to root for. Things have changed with the Broncos.

Things only change when you win games, not when you win imagined position battles in your head over the bye week. Christ.

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 03:26 PM
Plummer didn't give us ****. He had a top 3 defense, the best running game in the league, and the Shanahan/Kubiak duo at its best. He was literally the worst QB in the NFL in the pocket, and everything we did had to be bent around his liabilities.


Remember when the colts exposed our D and the rest of the league followed? jakes problems followed after that dismal showing at the 05 championship game here in denver vs pitt, boy that was a fun tailgate until the game started.

Gort
10-22-2011, 03:27 PM
The most they can hope to achieve is a defensive or emotional response when they goad a player into saying something so they can write a headline. It's all bull****. Everything.

some guy from SI goaded John Rocker into saying some things that effectively ended Rocker's career. i know he continued to pitch for a couple more years, but he wasn't the same and he was treated like a pariah by people inside and outside of baseball. the sad thing is that Rocker was just a young, dumb baseball player who thought he was simply talking smack about the NY Mets fans (a division rival). i think the SI writer probably goaded him into going a bit overboard, and then the media blew it all out of proportion. he was quite unprepared for the backlash.

the lesson for all agents is NEVER let your players talk to any writer or reporter without being present or having a PR flunky present. athletes are not always the brightest people and they don't always realize that a writer may be writing a story to fit a hidden agenda.

Sodak
10-22-2011, 03:45 PM
The cool thing about Tebow is that he believes what he says. Its not just jock-speak. When he says he's going to go out there and try to lead by playing hard, you know that he's going to do it.

I believe that 100%. You're never going to hear anything unexpected come from his mouth. Ever.

Smilin Assassin
10-22-2011, 03:50 PM
Love Jake.

The guy's just...real.

Hard to find that anymore.

Peace, Jake.

Miss I.
10-22-2011, 04:15 PM
So I am going to the Bears vs Bucs tomorrow at Wembley. I think I will wear my Plummer jersey for the occasion. It seems appropriate somehow. ;D Oh and just to note, I only own one jersey, it happens to be Jake's, it was just the first one I ever bought. Never got another one.

Requiem
10-22-2011, 04:36 PM
Rock the Plummer stache too, Miss I. -- Have a blast at the game! Go Bucs!

Miss I.
10-22-2011, 04:40 PM
Rock the Plummer stache too, Miss I. -- Have a blast at the game! Go Bucs!

I can do a stache. then I would fit in better with the other english girls. just kidding, just kidding. ;D

Agamemnon
10-22-2011, 04:40 PM
Jake's wrong. Anybody who paid attention in that season where he was benched pretty much knew he had quit.

^This.

And the Orton thing looked very similar to me. Maybe Orton will quit soon too. The game of football can only hope... Hilarious!

Lycan
10-22-2011, 04:45 PM
Plummer's reaction to Cutler being drafted: http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/americapantsp1.gif

Jetmeck
10-22-2011, 05:47 PM
Think he was ready to quit about the time he flew the bird on the sidelines and it was caught by the cameras..............lol

McDman
10-22-2011, 06:26 PM
So I am going to the Bears vs Bucs tomorrow at Wembley. I think I will wear my Plummer jersey for the occasion. It seems appropriate somehow. ;D Oh and just to note, I only own one jersey, it happens to be Jake's, it was just the first one I ever bought. Never got another one.

You love the mountain men.

fdf
10-22-2011, 06:30 PM
At that stage for me and nobody knew this at the time but I was done, I was done playing ball.

I was pretty sure he was done at the time. His ball play after the playoff loss was terrible.

bpc
10-22-2011, 08:13 PM
Plummer was a charming douchebag. He couldn't do what Shanahan asked, on the field or preparing off it and got **** canned. End of stories except for the Shanny haters. This must be a reality check for them. "IT ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER HAD WE NEVER DRAFTED CUTLER!!!!! THAT RUINED A GOOD THING!"

You all know who you are.

That being said, it still amazes me that this guy continues to get articles written about him and he bitches about the same stuff every year. The media just continues to eat this up.

rbackfactory80
10-22-2011, 08:21 PM
Plummer was a charming douchebag. He couldn't do what Shanahan asked, on the field or preparing off it and got **** canned. End of stories except for the Shanny haters. This must be a reality check for them. "IT ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER HAD WE NEVER DRAFTED CUTLER!!!!! THAT RUINED A GOOD THING!"

You all know who you are.

That being said, it still amazes me that this guy continues to get articles written about him and he b****es about the same stuff every year. The media just continues to eat this up.

I am one of those guys you are talking about. Part of me wonders if he really was done or if he played so bad that last half year it was a convenient excuse. Either way it is time to let go.

RhymesayersDU
10-22-2011, 08:24 PM
The 13-3 season was so much fun. I rocked a Plummer beard until they lost in the AFCCG. Went to both of those playoff games. The Pats game was insane. The CG, well...

extralife
10-22-2011, 09:25 PM
That was a special season for me for a lot of different reasons, yes. At the Pats game I swear I almost threw myself off the upper deck of the stadium when Champ picked that ball, I was so unchecked and ecstatic.

Meck77
10-22-2011, 09:28 PM
DU and Extralife understand. It was a season you had to experience in person.

bowtown
10-22-2011, 09:41 PM
"Peace, NFL"

Oh man I love Jake.

Nice of him to finally take responsibility for that too. Been a long time coming.

Good luck with your handball goals of 2012.

This. I actually think Jake was thinking about retirement the second he got into the league. He was a good guy with a lot of talent but it was easy to see his heart wasn't always in it.

Taco John
10-22-2011, 10:03 PM
"I've been where (Orton) is," Plummer said. "And I remember when (Jay) Cutler took over. At that stage for me and nobody knew this at the time but I was done, I was done playing ball. I was ready the year before a little bit. I was considering it then. Had we won the Super Bowl, I would have been like, 'Peace, NFL, I got my childhood dream of a Super Bowl ring, I'm done with you.' You don't want to go out like that, (but) I knew right then I was done."


Oh, no, Mr. Plummer. I knew you were done playing ball, and was actively taking flack for saying it out loud.

Kaylore
10-22-2011, 10:14 PM
Jake's wrong. Anybody who paid attention in that season where he was benched pretty much knew he had quit.

This.

DenverBroncosJM
10-22-2011, 10:41 PM
The 13-3 season was so much fun. I rocked a Plummer beard until they lost in the AFCCG. Went to both of those playoff games. The Pats game was insane. The CG, well...

I went to that game too invesco was rocking old school. That was a hell of a game

TomServo
10-23-2011, 02:07 AM
fudge jake plummer. did elway fall apart and pout when we drafted tommy maddox? did montana fall apart when the niners got young? plummer wet the bed when we got cutler. F, plummer. he had the chance to prove the broncos and the rest of the NFL wrong but he quit. f that quitter

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 03:35 AM
Jake's wrong. Anybody who paid attention in that season where he was benched pretty much knew he had quit.

Definitely ... we had a winning record, but it was a butt-ugly winning record.

Jake had almost zero mental toughness. I remember pointing out he had been the starting QB every game he ever played, HS, ASU, NFL, only exception was the first 9 games as a rookie with the Cardinals. He was spoiled, couldn't handle competition.


I think SoCal was the first to make that comparison in one of the podcasts: 2006 Plummer = 2011 Orton. Difference will be - Orton won't take his ball and go home ... and he won't write a gigantic check to the Dolphins/Broncos, anybody for that matter.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:36 AM
I think SoCal first made the comparison in one of the podcasts: 2006 Plummer = 2011 Orton

Difference will be - Orton won't take his ball and go home ... and he won't write a gigantic check to the Dolphins/Broncos, anybody for that matter.

That comparison was obvious when Orton put the ball on the ground in the Oakland game, and was carried to fruition when Orton caved completely through in the San Diego game.

The obvious difference is that the Broncos were 7-4 when they made the change from Plummer, where as Ortons Broncos were 1-4 and had amassed quite a pile of losses going back through last season.

The Broncos hope to actually win some games with Tebow coming off of a string of losses, where as Cutler's Broncos stumbled and collapsed out of the playoffs after Plummer was benched.

ZONA
10-23-2011, 04:14 AM
The Plummer threads will just never die will they. Let the man fly fish or whatever he's doing.

Kaylore
10-23-2011, 06:10 AM
I think SoCal was the first to make that comparison in one of the podcasts: 2006 Plummer = 2011 Orton. Difference will be - Orton won't take his ball and go home ... and he won't write a gigantic check to the Dolphins/Broncos, anybody for that matter.

Actually it was me. The drop off is similar, but Orton was never as good as Plummer. I think the other difference is Plummer stopped caring and the effort went down and his play suffered. Orton started playing bad and with the absence of McDaniels to coach him, his play degenerated and he spiraled out of control.

Vegas_Bronco
10-23-2011, 06:16 AM
That was a special season for me for a lot of different reasons, yes. At the Pats game I swear I almost threw myself off the upper deck of the stadium when Champ picked that ball, I was so unchecked and ecstatic.

Best for me too...took my son to the game and he's never doubted my conviction to the broncos since...theyre not just any team at mile high.

Too many times we measure success by the trophy...just like a bunch of little leaguers.

BlueandOrange32
10-23-2011, 06:25 AM
Jake Plummer can talk about how he quit the year before. I will always believe he was greatly disturbed by the drafting of Cutler in the first place. After he completed his best year as a pro, leading the team to the AFC Championship game, making the pro bowl and only throwing 7 ints, he must of felt really good.

Then the Broncos drafted brat. He can say he quit before drafting brat and all of that, but he had a lot of harsh words for Shanahan. It is also obvious he is still rather hurt by that. Pride is a big thing in these players, and I believe when Shanahan drafted brat, that killed Plummer's confidence.

If he really hated it, like he said, then why not retire after the 2005 season? Wait, cause he didnt win a ring? That is rather contradictory. On one hand he hated the game, on the other hand he had a strong desire to get a ring.

Huh.

No, he is saying that he quit long before.......I just dont buy it. He may not have been as passionate etc, but walking away from a game where you can make 7 figures as a back up, is rather crazy to me.

rbackfactory80
10-23-2011, 07:40 AM
This is the type of talk that hangs around until we know we are on a better road. It's like the breakup you keep thinking about cause something better hasn't happened yet.

Plummer is History. Thanks Jake, enjoy your retirement.

TonyR
10-23-2011, 08:15 AM
Allow me one last retroactive Rex Grossman point: Last week's Eagles debacle was his fifth career start with zero touchdowns and 3-plus interceptions really, there's no way to define a true QB stinker better than that which inspired me to sift through pro-football-reference.com to determine which QB should have the 0 TD/3+ INTs game named after him. Initially, I thought it would be Rex but had only five career games that qualified. (I know, I was shocked, too. I thought the number would be like, 25.) Meanwhile, Jake Plummer finished with nine career 0 TD/3+ INT games, and Jake Delhomme finished with four alone during an incredible 14-month stretch from October '08 through November '09 (not including his infamous 1 TD, 5 INT playoff stink bomb against the '08 Cardinals). My final verdict: Any 0 TD/3+ INT game should be called "The Jake."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7131896/proactively-mourning-nba

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 08:28 AM
Actually it was me. The drop off is similar, but Orton was never as good as Plummer. I think the other difference is Plummer stopped caring and the effort went down and his play suffered. Orton started playing bad and with the absence of McDaniels to coach him, his play degenerated.

True. I didn't think it was possible, but I've grown marginally regretful Josh is gone. If Bowlen/Ellis would have eased him into management duties, we'd still have big offense potential. Can't see McCoy blowing up like that.

Which brings up a good point. This offense must be re-vamped for Tebow's unique skill set. Is McCoy the guy who can do that? I'm doubting it.

barryr
10-23-2011, 08:32 AM
If Plummer did not like how his career ended, then he could have continued playing someplace else and done something about it. For him to go on about it and be bitter, well that is his own fault and really, he is yesterday's news.

vonqkilla
10-23-2011, 08:37 AM
If you are at a job for 3 years, have success, and then you come to work, your handcuffed from doing what you have been doing well, your replacement is hired, and your boss doesn't trust you anymore...

Tough situation for Jake, and shanny going reeves on playcalling didnt help.

Gutless Drunk
10-23-2011, 08:38 AM
True. I didn't think it was possible, but I've grown marginally regretful Josh is gone. If Bowlen/Ellis would have eased him into management duties, we'd still have big offense potential. Can't see McCoy blowing up like that.

Which brings up a good point. This offense must be re-vamped for Tebow's unique skill set. Is McCoy the guy who can do that? I'm doubting it.

29393
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:kiddingme

MileHighMagic
10-23-2011, 08:50 AM
That was a special season for me for a lot of different reasons, yes. At the Pats game I swear I almost threw myself off the upper deck of the stadium when Champ picked that ball, I was so unchecked and ecstatic.

You and me both! I started chucking pom-poms off the nosebleeds. Must've thrown ten or so. I was out of control that game.

I loved The Snake. I miss his style and wins.

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 09:06 AM
29393
29394

:kiddingme

Really, that's how you rate him?

Have you seen Matt Cassel play since he and Josh parted ways? No, I think McD is an offensive boy wonder, he made Cassel look good, he must be a genius. Too bad he's power-grubbing over-reacher too. Don't forget the Rams' line is a seive ... last or 2nd to last in the league in sacks allowed.

Can't believe I'm defending

RhymesayersDU
10-23-2011, 09:23 AM
That was a special season for me for a lot of different reasons, yes. At the Pats game I swear I almost threw myself off the upper deck of the stadium when Champ picked that ball, I was so unchecked and ecstatic.

The Pats game was insane. For all the whining on this board about how our fans suck, etc, that stadium was electric that night.

Gutless Drunk
10-23-2011, 09:55 AM
Really, that's how you rate him?

Have you seen Matt Cassel play since he and Josh parted ways? No, I think McD is an offensive boy wonder, he made Cassel look good, he must be a genius. Too bad he's power-grubbing over-reacher too. Don't forget the Rams' line is a seive ... last or 2nd to last in the league in sacks allowed.

Can't believe I'm defending

The Patriots made Cassel look good. The Patriots also made Mcdaniels look good

"McD is an offensive boy wonder"

2011 - 29th in yards 32nd in scoring
2010 - 13th in yards 19th in scoring
2009 - 15th in yards 20th in scoring

Where is the wonder?
The myth of his scintillating Denver offenses will never die. McDaniel's offenses in Denver were average to below average. "You are what your numbers say you are"

You would think a "boy wonder" could do better than 32nd despite the excuses

Since he left the Patriots what about his offense's were so impressive?
Like many before him his resume post-Belichick actually sucks.

You ask me if that's how I judge him, when I am using his recent failure. Are you still judging him from his Patriots days? Because that was awhile ago and they haven't missed the "boy wonder" a bit.

Pontius Pirate
10-23-2011, 01:35 PM
Jake and Tebow are very similar. Both like to scramble, are inaccurate but exciting, and have passion that get the locker-room behind him.