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BroncsCheer
10-21-2011, 03:02 PM
Glad to hear this news.
I've had two different family members over there multiple times each since 2006.

Thanks to all of the men and women who served in Iraq, and a hearty WELCOME HOME!!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troops/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

strafen
10-21-2011, 03:09 PM
They'll be leaving Libya as well.
Afghanistan and Pakistan; different story. We should just "accidentally" blow them up!

g00fyfoot
10-21-2011, 03:10 PM
Oh boy, here we go...

orinjkrush
10-21-2011, 03:16 PM
can someone tell me WHY we are stationed in force in: Germany, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Africa (well maybe not in force, YET)?

what are the national security issues?

Jay3
10-21-2011, 03:21 PM
can someone tell me WHY we are stationed in force in: Germany, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Africa (well maybe not in force, YET)?

what are the national security issues?

Germany: very little presence there, other than keeping as a staging area for other operations. We closed something like 28 bases there.

Korea: Maintaining the amistice that ended the Korean war. Kim Jong Il would invade South Korea to steal food, and cause a wider war that could involve China. We need to get them home.

Afghanistan: we're sort of stuck because in two different elections, the Democratic candidate demagogued this war as "important" and the one we really need to be focused on, so a Democratic president can't afford to "lose" it. A Republican President will bail us out, hopefully. Install death laser towers and bring the people home.

Iraq: very small numbers here and they are all coming home.

Africa: Following the orders that U.N. gave us, because our "apology" from Obama wasn't enough.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 03:22 PM
Worlds police.

Pony Boy
10-21-2011, 03:22 PM
WRP ..... please

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 03:26 PM
What an honest and noble gesture that has nothing to do with an inept presidents 38% approval rating in an election year.

maher_tyler
10-21-2011, 03:28 PM
Nice move on his part to get re-elected. We're just re-charging the batteries for Iran.

Edit: Try to get re-elected.

Durango
10-21-2011, 03:28 PM
Germany: very little presence there, other than keeping as a staging area for other operations. We closed something like 28 bases there.

Korea: Maintaining the amistice that ended the Korean war. Kim Jong Il would invade South Korea to steal food, and cause a wider war that could involve China. We need to get them home.

Afghanistan: we're sort of stuck because in two different elections, the Democratic candidate demagogued this war as "important" and the one we really need to be focused on, so a Democratic president can't afford to "lose" it. A Republican President will bail us out, hopefully. Install death laser towers and bring the people home.

Iraq: very small numbers here and they are all coming home.

Africa: Following the orders that U.N. gave us, because our "apology" from Obama wasn't enough.

I don't even like Obama, but this is so far over the top Fox News, Tea Party, Rick Perry extremist it's hilarious.

Maybe it was meant to be, who knows?

BroncsCheer
10-21-2011, 03:30 PM
What an honest and noble gesture that has nothing to do with an inept presidents 38% approval rating in an election year.

I don't care. It's one less ****splat country my brother could get sent to again.
That's good enough for me.

Archer81
10-21-2011, 03:36 PM
can someone tell me WHY we are stationed in force in: Germany, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Africa (well maybe not in force, YET)?

what are the national security issues?


Two world wars will tend to create an overreaction in the victors. It also made sense to have a forward base near the Russians. Which will probably make more sense again in the near future when Putin becomes "president" again. Same deal for South Korea. NK is crazy and has one of the larger armies in the world with at least 6 nukes.

I think outside of Israel we should let the ME rot. My .02.

:Broncos:

ColoradoDarin
10-21-2011, 03:39 PM
I don't care. It's one less ****splat country my brother could get sent to again.
That's good enough for me.

But if we pull out, and then it all goes to heck and Obama sends troops back in because he's got even lower approval ratings at that time?

Pony Boy
10-21-2011, 03:39 PM
I don't care. It's one less ****splat country my brother could get sent to again.
That's good enough for me.

Then don't forget these guys

1728 US troops have died in Afghanistan since October 7, 2001, with 1153 of those deaths having occurred since President Obama's inauguration. 575 US troops died in Afghanistan during President Bush's term in office.

Dagmar
10-21-2011, 03:47 PM
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Ratboy
10-21-2011, 03:50 PM
We need to protect our own country in our own country.

**** these wars without cause.

BroncsCheer
10-21-2011, 03:53 PM
Then don't forget these guys

1728 US troops have died in Afghanistan since October 7, 2001, with 1153 of those deaths having occurred since President Obama's inauguration. 575 US troops died in Afghanistan during President Bush's term in office.

Never. Bro's been there too .. ..

another fools errand that one IMO

maher_tyler
10-21-2011, 03:55 PM
Then don't forget these guys

1728 US troops have died in Afghanistan since October 7, 2001, with 1153 of those deaths having occurred since President Obama's inauguration. 575 US troops died in Afghanistan during President Bush's term in office.

Whats your point?

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 04:40 PM
You guys should thank the goober Bush II, who signed an agreement with the Iraqi government to get out of Iraq on the date that Obama is following up on.

Iran! Come on down! The price is right!

Rohirrim
10-21-2011, 04:47 PM
Given the rabid partisanship in America now, I wonder if we could win a WWII if forced into that position again?

That One Guy
10-21-2011, 04:49 PM
WRP ..... please

When Pony Boy is finally correct, everyone should listen.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 04:52 PM
When Pony Boy is finally correct, everyone should listen.

He's correct quite often.

ant1999e
10-21-2011, 05:07 PM
Given the rabid partisanship in America now, I wonder if we could win a WWII if forced into that position again?

We came together after 9-11. I think if we were attacked, we would stick together for a little bit but would eventually tear ourselves apart just like we are now. So I say no.

Meck77
10-21-2011, 05:25 PM
Given the rabid partisanship in America now, I wonder if we could win a WWII if forced into that position again?

Sure we could. My old friend actually is the guy who carries the suitcase with the nukes for Obama. We are in good hands. ^5

I talked to his wife the other day. He was cruising around with Obama and called her from Air Force One. I hear it's a pretty nice ride.

Requiem
10-21-2011, 05:34 PM
What an honest and noble gesture that has nothing to do with an inept presidents 38% approval rating in an election year.

This is a continuation of what he had discussed in the 2008 campaign. Withdrawal from Iraq was always a foreign policy initiative of his. He never thought much of the damned thing.

That One Guy
10-21-2011, 05:40 PM
He's correct quite often.

Surely he is on occasion but the batting average is pretty low.

ant1999e
10-21-2011, 05:41 PM
This is a continuation of what he had discussed in the 2008 campaign. Withdrawal from Iraq was always a foreign policy initiative of his. He never thought much of the damned thing.

I'll give him a little credit but what really caused this was the lack of a SOFA.

gunns
10-21-2011, 06:04 PM
My son was there twice. I'm thrilled that his brothers and sisters can come home and that is one place I don't have to worry about him going to.

And **** all of you that have to post this is a re-election play. Who the **** cares what the reason is? They are coming home and for that I am thankful.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 06:07 PM
My son was there twice. I'm thrilled that his brothers and sisters can come home and that is one place I don't have to worry about him going to.

And **** all of you that have to post this is a re-election play. Who the **** cares what the reason is? They are coming home and for that I am thankful.

This is Bush's plan, so I don't see how it could be an election ploy.

BroncsCheer
10-21-2011, 06:10 PM
My son was there twice. I'm thrilled that his brothers and sisters can come home and that is one place I don't have to worry about him going to.

And **** all of you that have to post this is a re-election play. Who the **** cares what the reason is? They are coming home and for that I am thankful.

This

RhymesayersDU
10-21-2011, 06:38 PM
YOU'RE ALL PROJECTING.

gunns
10-21-2011, 06:42 PM
Then don't forget these guys

1728 US troops have died in Afghanistan since October 7, 2001, with 1153 of those deaths having occurred since President Obama's inauguration. 575 US troops died in Afghanistan during President Bush's term in office.

About 222 have died in Iraq since Obama took office as opposed to the over 4100 that died with Bush. Hopefully the same can happen in Afghanistan but I fail to see what these stats have to do with a celebration, right now, of our men and women coming home from Iraq.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-21-2011, 06:46 PM
the reason we are in Germany is simple. ADOLF HITLER NEVER DIED!!!!!!! also they CLONED HITLER SEVERAL TIMES!!!!!!!!!! go ahead call me crazy all of you are in on the conspiracy . so thats why we got troops in Germany.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-21-2011, 06:59 PM
the reason we are in Germany is simple. ADOLF HITLER NEVER DIED!!!!!!! also they CLONED HITLER SEVERAL TIMES!!!!!!!!!! go ahead call me crazy all of you are in on the conspiracy . so thats why we got troops in Germany.

http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gary-bussey-is-crazy.jpg

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 09:48 PM
http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gary-bussey-is-crazy.jpg

This.

Bronx33
10-21-2011, 10:10 PM
What an honest and noble gesture that has nothing to do with an inept presidents 38% approval rating in an election year.


this..

Jetmeck
10-21-2011, 10:25 PM
What an honest and noble gesture that has nothing to do with an inept presidents 38% approval rating in an election year.

You kill me. He is cleaning mess after mess started by a repubiclan idiot. Bin Laden, kadafe or however spell it, Bin Ladens second in command. Health care for all considering the rest of 1st world countries have it. Trying to pass a job bill that would help rebuild our pitifil infrastructure.


Holy chit, he is the anti Bush/repubiclan who thinks a dollar is only worth spending on the rich or corporate buddies or wasting it on ill advised wars. Go ahead Bash the man......maybe we should go back to the pro business/protect the rich days of old and not thinking things through or understanding history. First Bush knew better thaN to go into Iraq. Second Bush to stupid.

He ****ed it up and Obama cleaned it up. I'll take the smart black man over the stupid good ole boy who screwed the pooch internationally and domestically..........

ant1999e
10-21-2011, 10:38 PM
No agreement on a status of forces agreement. That's the only reason we're leaving. Iraq don't want us there anymore. They have Iran.

Fedaykin
10-21-2011, 11:21 PM
Two world wars will tend to create an overreaction in the victors. It also made sense to have a forward base near the Russians. Which will probably make more sense again in the near future when Putin becomes "president" again. Same deal for South Korea. NK is crazy and has one of the larger armies in the world with at least 6 nukes.

I think outside of Israel we should let the ME rot. My .02.

:Broncos:

NK has the largest spending on their armed forces per GDP than any other nation. The problem is, I think my lemonade stand as a kid rivaled NKs GDP.

tebowisdabomb
10-21-2011, 11:42 PM
Nice move on his part to get re-elected. We're just re-charging the batteries for Iran.

Edit: Try to get re-elected.
only reason we are leaving is because Iraq would not allow us to keep permanent bases there.

Inkana7
10-22-2011, 06:41 AM
No agreement on a status of forces agreement. That's the only reason we're leaving. Iraq don't want us there anymore. They have Iran.

Iraq and Iran don't like each other and haven't since the Sunni-Shia split.

Ratboy
10-22-2011, 06:54 AM
I wish pulling out of the entire Middle East was in the near future.

Jetmeck
10-22-2011, 09:12 AM
I wish pulling out of the entire Middle East was in the near future.

I wish daddy Bush understood the pullout concept, could have saved us a lot of lives and money.....................

BowlenBall
10-22-2011, 09:24 AM
Given the rabid partisanship in America now, I wonder if we could win a WWII if forced into that position again?

I refuse to support Roosevelt in his manufactured war against Germany -- the only reason we're fighting the Nazis is to distract from his wasteful "New Deal" which punishes the industrious and rich and rewards shiftless welfare cheats. Also, I hear his wife is a godless lesbian. Finally, have you ever seen him standing up? Typical lazy democrat.

ant1999e
10-22-2011, 09:40 AM
Iraq and Iran don't like each other and haven't since the Sunni-Shia split.

But the Shia are the majority in Iraq. With Saddam, the Sunni minority ruled. Now the Shia control Iraq. They have been up to Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouri_al-Maliki

Nouri al-Maliki

Exile and return to Iraq

On July 16, 1979, al-Maliki fled Iraq after he was discovered to be a member of the outlawed Islamic Dawa Party. According to a brief biography on the Islamic Dawa Party's website, he left Iraq via Jordan in October, and soon moved to Syria, adopting the pseudonym "Jawad." He left Syria for Iran in 1982, where he lived in Tehran until 1990, before returning to Damascus where he remained until U.S. coalition forces invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam's regime in 2003.[4] While living in Syria, he worked as a political officer for Dawa, developing close ties with Hezbollah and particularly with Iran, supporting that country's effort to topple Saddam's regime.[5]
While living in Damascus, al-Maliki edited the party newspaper Al-Mawqif and rose to head the party's Damascus branch. In 1990, he joined the Joint Action Committee and served as one of its rotating chairman. The committee was a Damascus-based opposition coalition for a number of Hussein's opponents.[4] The Dawa Party participated in the Iraqi National Congress between 1992 and 1995, withdrawing because of disagreements over who should head it.[6] Upon his return to his native Iraq after the fall of Saddam, al-Maliki became the deputy leader of the Supreme National Debaathification Commission of the Iraqi Interim Government, formed to purge former Baath Party officials from the military and government. He was elected to the transitional National Assembly in January 2005. He was a member of the committee that drafted the new constitution that was passed in October 2005.

Elway 4 Life
10-22-2011, 09:46 AM
Germany: very little presence there, other than keeping as a staging area for other operations. We closed something like 28 bases there.

Korea: Maintaining the amistice that ended the Korean war. Kim Jong Il would invade South Korea to steal food, and cause a wider war that could involve China. We need to get them home.

Afghanistan: we're sort of stuck because in two different elections, the Democratic candidate demagogued this war as "important" and the one we really need to be focused on, so a Democratic president can't afford to "lose" it. A Republican President will bail us out, hopefully. Install death laser towers and bring the people home.

Iraq: very small numbers here and they are all coming home.
Africa: Following the orders that U.N. gave us, because our "apology" from Obama wasn't enough.

I wish that was the truth. We have sent over 4500 troops over there in the last 2 months for at least another 12 months with more on the way. Obama stated that he is pulling troops out of Iraq (which was the truth). What he did not state is that he would send alot of those same troops to Afghanistan within 6 months of coming home.

I know what the news and politicians state, but I live in Killeen, Tx. (a few miles from the largest military base in the free world in Ft. Hood), and work for a contract company that trains and issues the soldiers there equipment (most notably there IOTV-Improved Outer Tactical Vests). The 4500 troops I mentioned above are just the ones my team has touched the last two months that are deploying to Iraq. There are six teams total and we travel all over the world to train and Issue. There is an even greater number deploying to Afghanistan.

Sorry folks but these wars are far from over despite what you read and hear.

vonqkilla
10-22-2011, 09:48 AM
Waterboard cheney

Rulon Velvet Jones
10-22-2011, 09:55 AM
Who gives a **** who gave the order? The end result is ideal.

vonqkilla
10-22-2011, 09:59 AM
I wish that was the truth. We have sent over 4500 troops over there in the last 2 months for at least another 12 months with more on the way. Obama stated that he is pulling troops out of Iraq (which was the truth). What he did not state is that he would send alot of those same troops to Afghanistan within 6 months of coming home.

I know what the news and politicians state, but I live in Killeen, Tx. (a few miles from the largest military base in the free world in Ft. Hood), and work for a contract company that trains and issues the soldiers there equipment (most notably there IOTV-Improved Outer Tactical Vests). The 4500 troops I mentioned above are just the ones my team has touched the last two months that are deploying to Iraq. There are six teams total and we travel all over the world to train and Issue. There is an even greater number deploying to Afghanistan.

Sorry folks but these wars are far from over despite what you read and hear.

Sshhhh

BowlenBall
10-22-2011, 10:14 AM
I wish that was the truth. We have sent over 4500 troops over there in the last 2 months for at least another 12 months with more on the way. Obama stated that he is pulling troops out of Iraq (which was the truth). What he did not state is that he would send alot of those same troops to Afghanistan within 6 months of coming home.

I know what the news and politicians state, but I live in Killeen, Tx. (a few miles from the largest military base in the free world in Ft. Hood), and work for a contract company that trains and issues the soldiers there equipment (most notably there IOTV-Improved Outer Tactical Vests). The 4500 troops I mentioned above are just the ones my team has touched the last two months that are deploying to Iraq. There are six teams total and we travel all over the world to train and Issue. There is an even greater number deploying to Afghanistan.

Sorry folks but these wars are far from over despite what you read and hear.

http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens2386445_1232401533loose_lips.jpg

http://www.usmm.org/p/looselips.jpg

BowlenBall
10-22-2011, 10:17 AM
http://www.usmm.org/p/enemyears.jpghttp://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/al-davis-face/al-davis.jpg

Jay3
10-22-2011, 10:53 AM
I don't even like Obama, but this is so far over the top Fox News, Tea Party, Rick Perry extremist it's hilarious.

Maybe it was meant to be, who knows?

Yeah, it was a mixture of tongue-in-cheek and fact. Sorry, I realize some people are huge fans of America and/or Obama and get riled if any sarcasm, mockery, or critcism creeps in.

I'm sort of post-political at this point. It's quite liberating when you can see what clowns most all of them are (politicians, both parties).

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 11:05 AM
Who gives a **** who gave the order? The end result is ideal.

I kno. Teh Bush iz did it n teh Bush iz also did 9/11

Jetmeck
10-22-2011, 11:14 AM
I wish that was the truth. We have sent over 4500 troops over there in the last 2 months for at least another 12 months with more on the way. Obama stated that he is pulling troops out of Iraq (which was the truth). What he did not state is that he would send alot of those same troops to Afghanistan within 6 months of coming home.

I know what the news and politicians state, but I live in Killeen, Tx. (a few miles from the largest military base in the free world in Ft. Hood), and work for a contract company that trains and issues the soldiers there equipment (most notably there IOTV-Improved Outer Tactical Vests). The 4500 troops I mentioned above are just the ones my team has touched the last two months that are deploying to Iraq. There are six teams total and we travel all over the world to train and Issue. There is an even greater number deploying to Afghanistan.

Sorry folks but these wars are far from over despite what you read and hear.


The one in IRAQ IS over PERIOD. We will never go back. Mistake in the first place. Too many died for nothing and helped tank our economy. Smart people don't repeat mistakes, obviously BUSH couldn't read history books.

Iraq will either sink or swim on its own. We will never have a significant military presence there again. If somebody gets out of line a DRONE or SEAL team will fix the problem just like we could have done in the first place. Saddum wasn't our problem anyway.

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 11:14 AM
Who gives a **** who gave the order? The end result is ideal.



The dems care (who gave the order) that's why they gave the order under false pretenses know full well troops would be transferred to another theater being Afghanistan ( which is the correct theater) IMO.

I just hate when politicians use our troops as political bartering chips ( for votes) and if getting troops out of iraq was so important why didn't obama do it 3 years ago? and if you go to war (go to ****** win it!) no ****ing rules of engagement which only our boys have to follow and are punished when they don't also fighting an enemy don't doesn't care about hiding and using civilians as they see fit the enemy is an animal and needs to be treated as such.

cutthemdown
10-22-2011, 01:20 PM
Obamas failure to get Iraq to agree to troop immunity is the reason for the pullout. This is another Obama failure the liberals try to make into a policy success. What a joke the liberals are.

Jetmeck
10-22-2011, 01:37 PM
QUOTE=cutthemdown;3339955]Obamas failure to get Iraq to agree to troop immunity is the reason for the pullout. This is another Obama failure the liberals try to make into a policy success. What a joke the liberals are.[/QUOTE]

**** you, we are out of a decade long war we never should have been in. Get used to the idea of repubiclan messes being cleaned up by Obama. Guess he should be aBLE to force the Iraqis to give our boys immunity, thats why we exited this quickly. Stick your liberal
or conservatives tags, there is only right and wrong. Right to get out and wrong to have been there. PERIOD !

Requiem
10-22-2011, 01:59 PM
I wish that was the truth. We have sent over 4500 troops over there in the last 2 months for at least another 12 months with more on the way. Obama stated that he is pulling troops out of Iraq (which was the truth). What he did not state is that he would send alot of those same troops to Afghanistan within 6 months of coming home.

I know what the news and politicians state, but I live in Killeen, Tx. (a few miles from the largest military base in the free world in Ft. Hood), and work for a contract company that trains and issues the soldiers there equipment (most notably there IOTV-Improved Outer Tactical Vests). The 4500 troops I mentioned above are just the ones my team has touched the last two months that are deploying to Iraq. There are six teams total and we travel all over the world to train and Issue. There is an even greater number deploying to Afghanistan.

Sorry folks but these wars are far from over despite what you read and hear.

In 2008, Obama was saying how troop withdrawal from Iraq would lead to re-investment of those resources in Afghanistan. It isn't anything new.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:27 PM
**** you, we are out of a decade long war we never should have been in. Get used to the idea of repubiclan messes being cleaned up by Obama. Guess he should be aBLE to force the Iraqis to give our boys immunity, thats why we exited this quickly. Stick your liberal
or conservatives tags, there is only right and wrong. Right to get out and wrong to have been there. PERIOD !

Obama has made more messes than can be counted.

Worst. President. Ever.

BroncsCheer
10-22-2011, 02:28 PM
Obamas failure to get Iraq to agree to troop immunity is the reason for the pullout. This is another Obama failure the liberals try to make into a policy success. What a joke the liberals are.

:notsureifserious.jpg:

Mogulseeker
10-22-2011, 02:37 PM
can someone tell me WHY we are stationed in force in: Germany, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Africa (well maybe not in force, YET)?

what are the national security issues?

It's not about the threats there, but rather being able to mobilize. Germany, Japan, etc obviously don't mind the protection.

Mogulseeker
10-22-2011, 02:38 PM
Obama has made more messes than can be counted.

Worst. President. Ever.

I'll have you know that I am now working for an advisory group that serves several Republican Congressmen. That said, Obama really hasn't been all that terrible.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:06 PM
I'll have you know that I am now working for an advisory group that serves several Republican Congressmen. That said, Obama really hasn't been all that terrible.

He hasn't been all that terrible.

He has only been the guy who dropped the bottom out of the economy, made a mockery out of us in foreign policy, has been the most socially divisive president in my lifetime, wasted an insane amount of taxpayer money bailing his cronies out of failing green energy gigs, ran an administration that led a Mexican gun running ring that killed hundreds of Mexicans and an american border control agent, and lied about everything he has ever spoken about.

Worst. President. Ever.

The only question remaining is whether or not he is worse than Carter.

Elway 4 Life
10-22-2011, 04:37 PM
http://www.usmm.org/p/enemyears.jpghttp://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/al-davis-face/al-davis.jpg

Lol..........You are correct. I always had sneakin suspicion that the taliban trolled the mane. :thumbs:

Agamemnon
10-22-2011, 05:01 PM
So we invade Iraq based off of lies about WMD and terrorists, wreck the country, and now leave so it can be consumed by civil war and/or become a satellite nation of Iran. Brilliant!

I swear everything our government touches turns to ****...

eddie mac
10-22-2011, 05:23 PM
2 of my mates came home from Iraq a couple of years ago and were duly dumped by the British army in another cost cutting (you're getting too old for this) exercise, both in theur 40's now.

Problem is they actually missed it that much that they both went back as Private protection details in Baghdad. They tried to get ordinary jobs here after being cut by the army and there was nothing that fulfilled them the same way the army did.

I spoke to one as recent as 2 weeks ago and he still loves his job and wouldn't change it for anything. My father was the same when he left the forces too. The point being that some armed forces personnel actually like where they're stationed regardless of the risks involved and that once you take them out of that environment they struggle to adjust to normal life and dont even want to.

gunns
10-22-2011, 05:32 PM
He hasn't been all that terrible.

He has only been the guy who dropped the bottom out of the economy, made a mockery out of us in foreign policy, has been the most socially divisive president in my lifetime, wasted an insane amount of taxpayer money bailing his cronies out of failing green energy gigs, ran an administration that led a Mexican gun running ring that killed hundreds of Mexicans and an american border control agent, and lied about everything he has ever spoken about.

Worst. President. Ever.

The only question remaining is whether or not he is worse than Carter.

LOL Hilarious! You are truly nuts but amusing.

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 05:33 PM
2 of my mates came home from Iraq a couple of years ago and were duly dumped by the British army in another cost cutting (you're getting too old for this) exercise, both in theur 40's now.

Problem is they actually missed it that much that they both went back as Private protection details in Baghdad. They tried to get ordinary jobs here after being cut by the army and there was nothing that fulfilled them the same way the army did.

I spoke to one as recent as 2 weeks ago and he still loves his job and wouldn't change it for anything. My father was the same when he left the forces too. The point being that some armed forces personnel actually like where they're stationed regardless of the risks involved and that once you take them out of that environment they struggle to adjust to normal life and dont even want to.


This is completely normal-ish when you live day to day when your life can end at any minute when that high is removed it is missed immediately and they feel safer when it really isnt..

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 05:40 PM
LOL Hilarious! You are truly nuts but amusing.


love you girl and we have long history but avoiding facts doesn't make it any better i completely understand what you went through when you sons were serving their country but avoiding proven facts solves nothing.

That One Guy
10-22-2011, 05:45 PM
So we invade Iraq based off of lies about WMD and terrorists, wreck the country, and now leave so it can be consumed by civil war and/or become a satellite nation of Iran. Brilliant!

I swear everything our government touches turns to ****...

I hate you, MacGruder.

Agamemnon
10-22-2011, 05:47 PM
I hate you, MacGruder.

I hate you, jhns. ::)

Jetmeck
10-23-2011, 06:29 AM
Obama has made more messes than can be counted.

Worst. President. Ever.

You are clueless. He is trying to spend some money on the working people. The people you support protect the rich and corporations while wanting the middle class to pay for it all or take away from them. You should be proud to support the repubiclans. They tanked the economy and put us in two wars......................

Jetmeck
10-23-2011, 06:34 AM
He hasn't been all that terrible.

He has only been the guy who dropped the bottom out of the economy, made a mockery out of us in foreign policy, has been the most socially divisive president in my lifetime, wasted an insane amount of taxpayer money bailing his cronies out of failing green energy gigs, ran an administration that led a Mexican gun running ring that killed hundreds of Mexicans and an american border control agent, and lied about everything he has ever spoken about.

Worst. President. Ever.

The only question remaining is whether or not he is worse than Carter.

Really wish we could meet and discuss this rationally.

Are you who is obviously a repubiclan supporter saying the guy who tanked the economy, spoon fed the rich and corporations while putting us in two wars and made us the laughing stock of the world is not by far the worst president ever ?

Yet the guy that is CLEANING up the mess by killing terrorists and getting us out of wars and trying to spend some money on things that will help us all instead of just the rich and powerful is the worst prez ever ?

Are you honestly taking this position ? If so you are lost and clueless and gonna be real mad. He will get reelected. The rich and powerful corps are the minority and the middle class gave Obama 70 million last quarter. We want no more of the repubiclan policied that put us in the freaking disaster domestically and internationally, Your joke of repubiclan candidates are going down in flames and the dummies that used to be scared into voting against their walllets and best interests by repubiclans are even waking up.

People like you who want the staus quo of the middle class being ****ed over and the rich and powerful getting no regulations and less and less taxes Are the MINORITY FOR A REASON..........?????????

YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.....................

errand
10-23-2011, 06:46 AM
can someone tell me WHY we are stationed in force in: Germany, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Africa (well maybe not in force, YET)?

what are the national security issues?

Perhaps have we done the same thing after world war 1 there would not a been to world war 2.
Which would have saved millions of lives... I think that's a good thing.

errand
10-23-2011, 06:56 AM
Given the rabid partisanship in America now, I wonder if we could win a WWII if forced into that position again?

Wow I believe in true american exceptionalism..... it would be hard to think we could win another world war what about half of our population living in our country hating our country

ColoradoDarin
10-23-2011, 07:31 AM
Really wish we could meet and discuss this rationally.

Are you who is obviously a repubiclan supporter saying the guy who tanked the economy, spoon fed the rich and corporations while putting us in two wars and made us the laughing stock of the world is not by far the worst president ever ?

Yet the guy that is CLEANING up the mess by killing terrorists and getting us out of wars and trying to spend some money on things that will help us all instead of just the rich and powerful is the worst prez ever ?

Are you honestly taking this position ? If so you are lost and clueless and gonna be real mad. He will get reelected. The rich and powerful corps are the minority and the middle class gave Obama 70 million last quarter. We want no more of the repubiclan policied that put us in the freaking disaster domestically and internationally, Your joke of repubiclan candidates are going down in flames and the dummies that used to be scared into voting against their walllets and best interests by repubiclans are even waking up.

People like you who want the staus quo of the middle class being ****ed over and the rich and powerful getting no regulations and less and less taxes Are the MINORITY FOR A REASON..........?????????

YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.....................

Obama still flush with cash from financial sector despite frosty relations (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-has-more-cash-from-financial-sector-than-gop-hopefuls-combined-data-show/2011/10/18/gIQAX4rAyL_story.html?hpid=z1)

Obama has brought in more money from employees of banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data.

Protester: fundraisers tie Obama to 'money elite' (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/protester-fundraisers-prove-obama-out-touch)

Kevin Zeese observed to WMAL.com that "President Obama, with his one billion dollar campaign, is holding fundraisers that cost $38,500 to get into." Zeese noted that the fundraiser cost is "higher than the median individual income for Americans, which is $1,000 less." He added that such a fundraiser "puts Obama out of touch with the people and very much in touch with the money elite."

Rohirrim
10-23-2011, 08:05 AM
Wow I believe in true american exceptionalism..... it would be hard to think we could win another world war what about half of our population living in our country hating our country

Or, more accurately, hate what it has become. Keep those blinders on tight. They'll get you through.

TonyR
10-23-2011, 08:38 AM
Worst. President. Ever.

**Sigh**. Such ignorance.

The supposed "awfulness" of Obama is just as overplayed as the supposed "awfulness" of Bush was. But there is one huge difference: the Bush admin made a massive mistake (the Iraq "war") whereas the Obama admin hasn't done anything that even remotely compares. Obama took over a sinking ship and has had little success in righting it. But I don't think there's success to be had, by anyone.

orinjkrush
10-24-2011, 05:22 PM
back to the original concept.....

i have heard no persuasive argument suggesting we NEED our combat troops in all those foreign countries.

on the other hand, the two CLEAREST national security threats we have are:

WALL STREET

OUR Parochial Political Parties

Discuss...