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cmhargrove
10-21-2011, 02:34 PM
Ok, so you can call me an optimist.

I feel like I am about to be awakened from the soma-induced stupor that has (small b) broncos football as of late. I am pretty pumped about the Tebow thing and feel like we are about to see the start of something special. I don't know that it means 11 wins this season, but I feel like we are about to get one of our long term pieces that can get us back to the big dance.

So, this list may be a little selfish, and I don't need for it to be divisive here. Since this is a polarizing topic (ad nauseum), I want a list of the media and professional "haters" before it all begins. These are the people I would actually like to write emails to if Tim becomes who I think he will. As I stated in the title, I hope this doesn't become another in-fight, I am just looking for media and "football professionals" that are spewing the hate.

My first additions to the list are:
Merril Hoge
link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/merril-hoge-says-tim-tebow-just-cant-play/

Kordell Stewart and Stephen A. Smith (aka dickface)
link: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-Tebow/nfl-tim-tebow-was-denver-broncos-best-only-choice-quarterback-espn-magazine

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 02:40 PM
Kiper

mkporter
10-21-2011, 02:41 PM
We should keep a Tebowner list too, so we can see who called it the other way.

I'll start:
Skip Bayless

strafen
10-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Local radio here in Denver from 102.3 The Ticket:
Les Shapiro and Jo-Jo

Pony Boy
10-21-2011, 02:57 PM
haters list ....

Elway
Fox
T-Nut

strafen
10-21-2011, 02:58 PM
We should keep a Tebowner list too, so we can see who called it the other way.

I'll start:
Skip BaylessSumbitch!
The thread title says...


"The Haters List" - media and "football professionals" only please...

crush17
10-21-2011, 03:32 PM
Trent Dilfer
Brian Billick

Maximus
10-21-2011, 03:38 PM
Ok, so you can call me an optimist.

I feel like I am about to be awakened from the soma-induced stupor that has (small b) broncos football as of late. I am pretty pumped about the Tebow thing and feel like we are about to see the start of something special. I don't know that it means 11 wins this season, but I feel like we are about to get one of our long term pieces that can get us back to the big dance.

So, this list may be a little selfish, and I don't need for it to be divisive here. Since this is a polarizing topic (ad nauseum), I want a list of the media and professional "haters" before it all begins. These are the people I would actually like to write emails to if Tim becomes who I think he will. As I stated in the title, I hope this doesn't become another in-fight, I am just looking for media and "football professionals" that are spewing the hate.

My first additions to the list are:
Merril Hoge
link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/merril-hoge-says-tim-tebow-just-cant-play/

Kordell Stewart and Stephen A. Smith (aka dickface)
link: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-Tebow/nfl-tim-tebow-was-denver-broncos-best-only-choice-quarterback-espn-magazine

Every media analyst that told the truth about him should be on the list. That should make it easier for you.

BlueandOrange32
10-21-2011, 03:53 PM
http://www.sportstalkwithbo.com/site/images/stories/john_clayton.jpg

BlueandOrange32
10-21-2011, 03:54 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/DanaJacobson.jpg

BlueandOrange32
10-21-2011, 03:55 PM
http://s2.guyism.com/up/2011/08/Colin-Cowherd.jpg

WABronco
10-21-2011, 03:57 PM
John Clayton is a MASSSSIVE hater. He's battling for the number one position on the hater list.

BlueandOrange32
10-21-2011, 03:57 PM
http://static.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/jemele-hill.jpg

BlueandOrange32
10-21-2011, 03:59 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/KyleOrtonDaveGrohl-300x186.png

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-21-2011, 04:02 PM
define hater vs normal criticism ie if i say tebow needs to work on his throwing motion or tebow needs to throw the ball better just like any rookie or needs to look for recievers more b4 taking off does that make me a hater or just someone saying what tebow christ needs to work on to succeed.

maher_tyler
10-21-2011, 04:05 PM
http://www.sportable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jamieduke.jpg

WABronco
10-21-2011, 04:12 PM
http://static.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/jemele-hill.jpg

/blows brains out

maher_tyler
10-21-2011, 04:13 PM
define hater vs normal criticism ie if i say tebow needs to work on his throwing motion or tebow needs to throw the ball better just like any rookie or needs to look for recievers more b4 taking off does that make me a hater or just someone saying what tebow christ needs to work on to succeed.

Hater = Ignoring the fact that whenever Tebow has been in the team SEEMS to play better. Our PPG is higher. Only focusing on reasons he won't make it/never talk about the things you can't coach such as leadership, heart, moxie! All they talk about is his completion % and mechanics like they can't be coached or that he's not more than willing to work on his weaknesses. They repeat this over and over and over again.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 04:38 PM
The local haters:

Tailgate Nut, gwhk, TheElusiveKyleOrton, LA Broncos Fan, Blart, Rohirrim...anyone else? Ha!

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 04:43 PM
http://www.sportable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jamieduke.jpg

I've never heard him say anything that wasn't absolutely glowing about Tebow...

Tom Brady
10-21-2011, 04:46 PM
Stephen A. Smith is such a douchepickle.

NUB
10-21-2011, 04:47 PM
Some people express doubts, which I think is fine, it's the people who actively say, "This guy wont succeed!" That get me. I just don't recall that happening so much with any player before that player actually, you know, gets on the field. Even Ponder, who was easily a 2nd-round QB (though I think he will be fine), is not getting that kind of treatment (No, "He's not even worth a 1st!" arguments). I think you have to differentiate between these kinds of blowhards and people who are just being doubtful. Hoge/Clayton are the superstars of these kinds of "analyses".

Dr. Broncenstein
10-21-2011, 04:49 PM
http://www.suckered.us/images/Jerry-Jones-drunk.jpg

Don't forget Jurrah...

Also local d-bags Alec and Bombay.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-21-2011, 05:32 PM
well i hope fans coaches give him a reasonable chance

KipCorrington25
10-21-2011, 05:50 PM
Local radio here in Denver from 102.3 The Ticket:
Les Shapiro and Jo-Jo

Add that douche bag Joel Klatt to that list also.

Requiem
10-21-2011, 05:54 PM
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/thisweekineducation/upload/2007/04/Bill_Clinton_Biography_2.jpg

2KBack
10-21-2011, 05:57 PM
Some people express doubts, which I think is fine, it's the people who actively say, "This guy wont succeed!" That get me. I just don't recall that happening so much with any player before that player actually, you know, gets on the field. Even Ponder, who was easily a 2nd-round QB (though I think he will be fine), is not getting that kind of treatment (No, "He's not even worth a 1st!" arguments). I think you have to differentiate between these kinds of blowhards and people who are just being doubtful. Hoge/Clayton are the superstars of these kinds of "analyses".

People do that to prospects all the time. Few usually have so much hype surrounding them at the same time though. The difference between a guy like Ponder and Tebow is that if Tebow succeeds he is likely going to end up one of the most popular athletes on the planet. He is just seems to have that kind of gravity.

I've been called a hater fro supporting Orton and the decision to let Tebow sit and learn, but I said these exact words the day he was drafted. He has Jordan type popularity potential, but with that potential comes scrutiny to start.

gunns
10-21-2011, 06:01 PM
Maybe you'd feel better if someone wrote about you, if Tebow turns out like you think.

You're the smartest mother****er in the land, an absolute football God. Miss Cleo's got nothing on you. These teams are clueless for not hiring you to let them know which players will do what. We bow to your awesomeness. Oh yeah, you got big balls too.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 06:01 PM
People do that to prospects all the time. Few usually have so much hype surrounding them at the same time though. The difference between a guy like Ponder and Tebow is that if Tebow succeeds he is likely going to end up one of the most popular athletes on the planet. He is just seems to have that kind of gravity.

I've been called a hater fro supporting Orton and the decision to let Tebow sit and learn, but I said these exact words the day he was drafted. He has Jordan type popularity potential, but with that potential comes scrutiny to start.

Green Bay fans were chanting "Tebow" a couple of weeks ago.

Tebow's popularity potential dwarfs that of Michael Jordan. If Tebow does well in marquee games (playoffs, etc) with regularity, he'll be closer to Elvis popularity than MJ popularity. The guy is a phenomenon.

strafen
10-21-2011, 06:47 PM
define hater vs normal criticism ie if i say tebow needs to work on his throwing motion or tebow needs to throw the ball better just like any rookie or needs to look for recievers more b4 taking off does that make me a hater or just someone saying what tebow christ needs to work on to succeed.What's normal criticism?
Is that the same normal criticism most NFL QB's are subject to?
No, I don't think so. Tebow is under a microscope that goes well-beyond normal criticism by any standard.
So, I don't think the word "normal criticism" applies here when describing Tebow as a QB in any shape or form...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-21-2011, 07:00 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/DanaJacobson.jpg

had nothing to do with Tebow.

But do keep ****in' that chicken, moron.

Drunk Monkey
10-21-2011, 07:09 PM
http://www.nndb.com/people/543/000022477/hulk-pastamania-sm.jpg

Let's not forget the Hulkster

cmhargrove
10-21-2011, 07:56 PM
Maybe you'd feel better if someone wrote about you, if Tebow turns out like you think.

You're the smartest mother****er in the land, an absolute football God. Miss Cleo's got nothing on you. These teams are clueless for not hiring you to let them know which players will do what. We bow to your awesomeness. Oh yeah, you got big balls too.

Who is this post even directed towards? Are you drunk?

Dedhed
10-21-2011, 08:01 PM
define hater vs normal criticism ie if i say tebow needs to work on his throwing motion or tebow needs to throw the ball better just like any rookie or needs to look for recievers more b4 taking off does that make me a hater or just someone saying what tebow christ needs to work on to succeed.
See, you didn't expose yourself as a hater until the very end when you made it clear you have an issue with his faith.

ICON
10-21-2011, 08:20 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_as3kMAVBI8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Archer81
10-21-2011, 08:27 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3kefxyq


:Broncos:

Eldorado
10-21-2011, 08:29 PM
This is going well I see. Totally unpredictable.

DarkHorse30
10-21-2011, 08:32 PM
For some reason, Tebow creates a LOT of fanfare. Who knew?:sunshine:

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 08:55 PM
Maybe you'd feel better if someone wrote about you, if Tebow turns out like you think.

You're the smartest mother****er in the land, an absolute football God. Miss Cleo's got nothing on you. These teams are clueless for not hiring you to let them know which players will do what. We bow to your awesomeness. Oh yeah, you got big balls too.

http://qvcceng101.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/dasl-drunk-woman_thumb.jpg

Chris
10-21-2011, 09:00 PM
Randy Cross for general broncos hate

Rich Gannon has been surprisingly fair to us from the booth

Arkie
10-21-2011, 09:24 PM
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/thisweekineducation/upload/2007/04/Bill_Clinton_Biography_2.jpg

http://blog.newsok.com/ou/files/2011/09/hoghat.jpg

pricejj
10-21-2011, 09:33 PM
Alfred Williams

gunns
10-21-2011, 11:00 PM
Who is this post even directed towards? Are you drunk?

Nope, the topic was writing a list, then emails, hater lists if Tebow turns out the way you expect for those that didn't expect him to. As you stated, it's become ad nauseum Why do you care who has said things about Tebow? Tebow is starting. Thought you might need something to make you feel vindicated for being right. Yep, it's as stupid as this thread. Enjoy.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 11:03 PM
Nope, the topic was writing a list, then emails, hater lists if Tebow turns out the way you expect for those that didn't expect him to. As you stated, it's become ad nauseum Why do you care who has said things about Tebow? Tebow is starting. Thought you might need something to make you feel vindicated for being right. Yep, it's as stupid as this thread. Enjoy.

I take it "gunns" is a hater.

Go Tebow! ;D

ant1999e
10-21-2011, 11:38 PM
Colin Cowturd.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 12:29 AM
For some reason, Tebow creates a LOT of fanfare. Who knew?:sunshine:

What he seems to create is a lot of controversy. Not a positive thing for a rebuilding team.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 12:33 AM
I take it "gunns" is a hater.

Go Tebow! ;D

Um... there are 52 other players on the Broncos roster who are not named "Tebow". Guess what they do on Sunday is irrelevant. *smh*

Oh, damn. I probably just got added to the "Haters" list. How devastating.

Archer81
10-22-2011, 12:34 AM
What he seems to create is a lot of controversy. Not a positive thing for a rebuilding team.


I think alot of the controversy is media-created, to be honest. In reality he is a 2nd year QB with 3.5 games worth of experience. That is the paradigm we should view the rest of the season through.

For example...while I am glad that the Broncos are being brought up daily on NFLN, I am tired of hearing the same Tebow argument rehashed. We know he has a flunky throwing motion. We know he scores points. We know he is an awesome leader. We also know he is a fantasy football favorite. If he does well he will be the starter in the future. If not, well we start over with someone else. Such is the way of things.

:Broncos:

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 12:40 AM
I think alot of the controversy is media-created, to be honest. In reality he is a 2nd year QB with 3.5 games worth of experience. That is the paradigm we should view the rest of the season through.

For example...while I am glad that the Broncos are being brought up daily on NFLN, I am tired of hearing the same Tebow argument rehashed. We know he has a flunky throwing motion. We know he scores points. We know he is an awesome leader. We also know he is a fantasy football favorite. If he does well he will be the starter in the future. If not, well we start over with someone else. Such is the way of things.

:Broncos:

Yes, the controversy is media-driven. But has Tebow himself ever made a statement like "I'd like my fans to support the entire team?" If he has, I haven't seen it quoted. The demographic "Tebow fans" is not necessarily included in the demographic "Broncos fans"... if you get my drift.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 12:48 AM
Yes, the controversy is media-driven. But has Tebow himself ever made a statement like "I'd like my fans to support the entire team?" If he has, I haven't seen it quoted. The demographic "Tebow fans" is not necessarily included in the demographic "Broncos fans"... if you get my drift.

Hater. ;D

Archer81
10-22-2011, 12:50 AM
Yes, the controversy is media-driven. But has Tebow himself ever made a statement like "I'd like my fans to support the entire team?" If he has, I haven't seen it quoted. The demographic "Tebow fans" is not necessarily included in the demographic "Broncos fans"... if you get my drift.


Conversely, we have never heard Tebow say "I'd like my fans to support me and just me". I can legitimately say I have players I like without caring a bit for the team they play for. Rodgers, Witten, Fitzgerald, Troy "Diana Ross" Polamalu, Ray Rice. I also think this phenomenon exists to the extent it does because of fantasy football. People follow individual players, not teams. It only appears to be worse with Tebow because of the overbearing coverage he gets.

Tebow was a superstar before he got to the NFL. People do not know college football but know who Tebow is. If he succeeds I suspect the Broncos fanbase will grow and will include just Tebow fans. If the team wins with him, I could care less. It does not change what you or I feel about the team or know about the past incarnations of Broncos football. It just means for us that the Broncos have one less position to worry about filling to field a championship team.

So bring on the bandwagoners. If they stick around long enough they might learn something.

:Broncos:

maher_tyler
10-22-2011, 12:53 AM
I've never heard him say anything that wasn't absolutely glowing about Tebow...

I heard him say something pretty idiotic awhile ago(August?) on sat radio.

Jay3
10-22-2011, 12:53 AM
Boomer Esiason.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:01 AM
Conversely, we have never heard Tebow say "I'd like my fans to support me and just me". I can legitimately say I have players I like without caring a bit for the team they play for. Rodgers, Witten, Fitzgerald, Troy "Diana Ross" Polamalu, Ray Rice. I also think this phenomenon exists to the extent it does because of fantasy football. People follow individual players, not teams. It only appears to be worse with Tebow because of the overbearing coverage he gets.

Tebow was a superstar before he got to the NFL. People do not know college football but know who Tebow is. If he succeeds I suspect the Broncos fanbase will grow and will include just Tebow fans. If the team wins with him, I could care less. It does not change what you or I feel about the team or know about the past incarnations of Broncos football. It just means for us that the Broncos have one less position to worry about filling to field a championship team.

So bring on the bandwagoners. If they stick around long enough they might learn something.

:Broncos:

Yet there are (yes even here on the Mane) posters who don't give a rat's ass about the Denver Broncos; just Tim Tebow.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:03 AM
Hater. ;D

I prefer the term "skeptic".

Archer81
10-22-2011, 01:15 AM
Yet there are (yes even here on the Mane) posters who don't give a rat's ass about the Denver Broncos; just Tim Tebow.


I'm failing to see why that matters. I am sure the Broncos had viewers or followers who only viewed or followed because of specific players in the past. The only difference is the amount of coverage Tebow currently gets.


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 01:31 AM
I prefer the term "skeptic".

You'll believe by January. :yayaya:

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:35 AM
I'm failing to see why that matters. I am sure the Broncos had viewers or followers who only viewed or followed because of specific players in the past. The only difference is the amount of coverage Tebow currently gets.


:Broncos:

Those who want to cheer for a single athlete need to start watching golf. Football is a team sport and there is no "i" in "team".

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:37 AM
You'll believe by January. :yayaya:

I genuinely hope so. If not, you'll believe (in "EFX") by April.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 01:41 AM
I genuinely hope so. If not, you'll believe (in "EFX") by April.

I know what Tebow is made of.

He will not fail. If this is his purpose, and he is giving his all like he says he is, he will not fail.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:47 AM
I know what Tebow is made of.

He will not fail. If this is his purpose, and he is giving his all like he says he is, he will not fail.

Maybe. He'll have to elevate his game significantly from what I've seen to date however. The jury's still out.

Jay3
10-22-2011, 01:47 AM
Yet there are (yes even here on the Mane) posters who don't give a rat's ass about the Denver Broncos; just Tim Tebow.

I've never understood the logic behind this petulant statement, one that has been repeated often here and elsewhere.

You do get this, right? -- the football field is the ultimate crucible, the ultimate trial by fire. You can't hide out there. Especially not as the quarterback.

Tebow will not be given one ounce of slack -- he will be judged by the standard of whether he wins a championship. Pass fail.

So there is absolutely zero . . . ZERO . . . conflict between rooting for Tebow and rooting for the Broncos. It is quite literally the most harmonious thing there is in sports -- hoping that Tebow becomes a championship, franchise quarterback for the Denver Broncos for years to come.

I think it's time you let it go -- no one can take away from you that you've been a long time Broncos fan. But this is the NFL, not college. It's not a club. It's not a self-admiration society. It's a for-profit business. And its customers are those who, for whatever reason, choose to spend some of the short time they have on this earth following a particular team and hoping against all hope for a championship.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 01:53 AM
Maybe. He'll have to elevate his game significantly from what I've seen to date however. The jury's still out.

Peyton Manning was not built in 3.5 games. He won what...1 game his rookie year? Same goes for Troy Aikman.

It's going to take some time...but the early returns are promising. Tebow has brought hope back to Denver.

cutthemdown
10-22-2011, 01:54 AM
I really believe unless Tebow get's injured he's going to win games. My only question is can he run it 10 times a game and survive. If he can I think he scores a lot of points.

Archer81
10-22-2011, 02:09 AM
Those who want to cheer for a single athlete need to start watching golf. Football is a team sport and there is no "i" in "team".


True. But on occassion a team is fortunate enough to get a player that is not only a joy to watch but elevates the entire team. When you find one of these players you celebrate what he is doing because it eventually equals team wins.

:Broncos:

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 02:16 AM
True. But on occassion a team is fortunate enough to get a player that is not only a joy to watch but elevates the entire team. When you find one of these players you celebrate what he is doing because it eventually equals team wins.

:Broncos:

He has his chance to prove it. :)

AZorange1
10-22-2011, 02:27 AM
Some 50-year dude, (40?) that Mommie and Daddy call "Boomer"

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:30 AM
Maybe. He'll have to elevate his game significantly from what I've seen to date however. The jury's still out.

Based on what he's done all throughout his life, I think he's a sure bet.

Its insane. The same story repeats itself over and over in this kids life.

Woody Paige in today's Denver Post:

At 6, Tebow put this quote on his bedroom door: "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Radio talk show hosts in Denver joke that the story couldn't be true. First-graders aren't philosophical.

"He absolutely lived by those exact words," Hess says. "I picked up Timmy for every practice (because Tebow was home-schooled), and we talked in the car. We started the season 0-2 because we had changed the offense, and he kept promising me he would work harder every day. He stayed after every practice and keep running and throwing until after dark until I forced him to get in the car.

"We didn't lose again until the final regional game before the national championship."



Read more: Woody Paige: Time for Broncos to see what Tebow can do - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_19169218#ixzz1bV4mVm6q

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 02:40 AM
Based on what he's done all throughout his life, I think he's a sure bet.

Its insane. The same story repeats itself over and over in this kids life.

Woody Paige in today's Denver Post:

At 6, Tebow put this quote on his bedroom door: "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Radio talk show hosts in Denver joke that the story couldn't be true. First-graders aren't philosophical.

"He absolutely lived by those exact words," Hess says. "I picked up Timmy for every practice (because Tebow was home-schooled), and we talked in the car. We started the season 0-2 because we had changed the offense, and he kept promising me he would work harder every day. He stayed after every practice and keep running and throwing until after dark until I forced him to get in the car.

"We didn't lose again until the final regional game before the national championship."



Read more: Woody Paige: Time for Broncos to see what Tebow can do - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_19169218#ixzz1bV4mVm6q

And based on the game footage that's been posted all over the net this week, he still has a lot of problems with his footwork.

There's a lot riding on this Sunday's game... a win would inspire a lot more optimism. even though Miami isn't a quality team this year.

Archer81
10-22-2011, 02:43 AM
He has his chance to prove it. :)


Exactly. And I believe he will.


:Broncos:

Archer81
10-22-2011, 02:43 AM
And based on the game footage that's been posted all over the net this week, he still has a lot of problems with his footwork.

There's a lot riding on this Sunday's game... a win would inspire a lot more optimism. even though Miami isn't a quality team this year.


Dolphins are still an NFL team. Quality or not.


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:15 AM
And based on the game footage that's been posted all over the net this week, he still has a lot of problems with his footwork.

There's a lot riding on this Sunday's game... a win would inspire a lot more optimism. even though Miami isn't a quality team this year.

Are you a fan of the Denver Broncos or a Raiders fan?

You sound like the Raiders trolls who come here.

Agamemnon
10-22-2011, 03:42 AM
Not sure why I'd list off a bunch of idiots with their heads up their asses...

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 04:26 AM
Are you a fan of the Denver Broncos or a Raiders fan?

You sound like the Raiders trolls who come here.

Counter question: Are you a fan of the Denver Broncos or of a single player?

You sound like the Tebow-only trolls who come here.

BlueandOrange32
10-22-2011, 04:48 AM
The only way the Broncos win games is if he continues to average 25 points per game as a starter and if the Broncos defense gives up less than that I predict they will win more often than they lose.

Now that is profound. Get that? If the Broncos score more points than they give up, they will win. :yayaya:

The more important issue is the defense, which we all think is better than last year. Except it really isnt all that better. Eventhough they arent last in sacks like last year they are still giving up 30 points per game, which is 31st.

That is the main problem.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-22-2011, 06:11 AM
And based on the game footage that's been posted all over the net this week, he still has a lot of problems with his footwork.

There's a lot riding on this Sunday's game... a win would inspire a lot more optimism. even though Miami isn't a quality team this year.

How did Orton's polished footwork turn out?

gunns
10-22-2011, 06:37 AM
I take it "gunns" is a hater.

Go Tebow! ;D

As usual your take is wrong. There's nothing to hate. He's just now being given the chance to start a full game. I take it you are over the top for Tebow, but then the proof of that is on this board.

strafen
10-22-2011, 06:46 AM
How did Orton's polished footwork turn out?
haha!!! ^5
Winner! :rofl: Ha! :thumbs:

That just goes to show you that the QB scrutinity only applies to Tebow.
Anybody else in the NFL is doing just fine from that perspectrive! :~ohyah!:

ØrangeÇrush
10-22-2011, 06:52 AM
Does being cautiously optimistic fall into hater category?

Dr. Broncenstein
10-22-2011, 06:54 AM
I just love how "skeptics" immediately point to mechanical flaws while championing the "team" concept. The team plays better with the mechanically flawed quarterback. Why is that?

MplsBronco
10-22-2011, 07:14 AM
Wow, just watched Kordell and Stephen A. What a crock of **** that was. They say you can't use Cam and Tebow in the same sentence and that Tebow has nowhere near the talent of Cam. This after they say Tebow has to win this week or else he will be ripped in the media. All the while excusing Cam being 1-5 because he needs "help".

So there is more pressure on the guy with less talent to win than the guy with all the talent? The criticism of Tebow is so out there I don't know what to make of it.

It's so irrational.

MplsBronco
10-22-2011, 07:16 AM
What he seems to create is a lot of controversy. Not a positive thing for a rebuilding team.

And this is his fault? Get over your hate.

MplsBronco
10-22-2011, 07:21 AM
And based on the game footage that's been posted all over the net this week, he still has a lot of problems with his footwork. There's a lot riding on this Sunday's game... a win would inspire a lot more optimism. even though Miami isn't a quality team this year.

Oh my. You are pretty sad. Is this all you have to cling to now?

bowtown
10-22-2011, 07:36 AM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/thumb/3/38/Spiderman_whats_going_on_in_this_thread.jpg/408px-Spiderman_whats_going_on_in_this_thread.jpg

Rohirrim
10-22-2011, 08:34 AM
The local haters:

Tailgate Nut, gwhk, TheElusiveKyleOrton, LA Broncos Fan, Blart, Rohirrim...anyone else? Ha!

You're confused, yet again. I hate you, not Tebow. Tebow, I just think will never be more than a novelty act in the NFL. I have no reason to hate him.

Hamrob
10-22-2011, 08:41 AM
Hogue
Dilfer
Esiason
Clayton
Many others

It's amazing to me, that Tebow has started 3 games and looked fairly good in that audition...yet, there are so many folks who say he will never play QB in the NFL.

But, those same idiots are fine with Colt McCoy, Cam Newton and Kyle Orton.

Tebow may not pan out. Who knows...but, to say he doesn't have a chance and to be so fired up about it....is absolutely amazing!!!

AlphaSeirra
10-22-2011, 08:55 AM
[QUOTE=DAN_BRONCO_FAN;3339397]define hater vs normal criticism -- someone saying what tebow christ = Another Hater QUOTE] :P

AlphaSeirra
10-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Hater = Ignoring the fact that whenever Tebow has been in the team SEEMS to play better. Our PPG is higher. Only focusing on reasons he won't make it/never talk about the things you can't coach such as leadership, heart, moxie! All they talk about is his completion % and mechanics like they can't be coached or that he's not more than willing to work on his weaknesses. They repeat this over and over and over again.

I can certainly agree with IGNORING THE FACTS!
OR
Style over Acutal Production and Results!

Some of the more idiot Media Morons, while Tim was still in College, were claiming that he had a weak inaccurate arm.

All it took to come to that conclusion was to TOTALLY IGNORE the actual facts.

Tebow's UF Career Passing Stats:
661 of 995, 66.4%, for 9,285 yds, 14 yds/comp, 88 TD's to 16 Ints, 170.79 PER
Encompassing 5 NCAA, 14 SEC and 28 UF records.

2009 Against #3 Ranked and Undefeated Big East Champ, Cincinnati:

• Set Sugar Bowl and BCS bowl records with 533 yards (482 pass/51 rush) of total offense, passing yards (482) and completion percentage (.886) <<<
• Also tallied a Sugar Bowl record for completions (31), tied a previously set mark for touchdowns responsible for (three pass/one rush) and his 80-yard TD pass to Riley Cooper was the second-longest pass in Sugar Bowl history

Not to bad for having a supposedly 'weak inaccurate arm' huh? :rofl:

==================

2010 Tebow #1 Rookie PER, over #1 Pick Bradford

2010 NFL PPG Standing = Orton 20th, Tebow 7th.

2011 Preseason #1 Bronco PER of 108, over 8th year Vet Orton 104, and 4th year Vet Quinn 69.

2011 Cold Entry 2nd half 101.7 PER plus 6+ ypc.

=====================

RB D.McFadden was the #4 RB in the 2010 NFL at 5.2 ypc.

Tebow had a 5.3 ypc in 2010 to lead all Bronco runners in production per carry.

Carry on....... :thumbs:

R8R H8R
10-22-2011, 09:23 AM
This Dolphin game is a no-lose situation for Tebow's haters/critics:

If the Broncos win, it will because the fish are the worst team in football(not sure about that), and they won despite Tebow. They clearly have the Broncos confused with a good team.

However, if the Broncos lose, then God help us...

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Counter question: Are you a fan of the Denver Broncos or of a single player?

You sound like the Tebow-only trolls who come here.


As usual your take is wrong. There's nothing to hate. He's just now being given the chance to start a full game. I take it you are over the top for Tebow, but then the proof of that is on this board.

Tebow is the starting QB for the Denver Broncos, my favorite team.

It appears as though neither or you are fans of the Denver Broncos.

broncolife
10-22-2011, 10:57 AM
Those who want to cheer for a single athlete need to start watching golf. Football is a team sport and there is no "i" in "team".

I think thats a whole bunch of bull. I became a bronco fan because of Elway. Then I grew to like the rest of the team. People liking Tebow is a good platform for them to becoming long time bronco fans, especially to the ones that dont live in Colorado and have no reason to like them.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 11:01 AM
I think thats a whole bunch of bull. I became a bronco fan because of Elway. Then I grew to like the rest of the team. People liking Tebow is a good platform for them to becoming long time bronco fans, especially to the ones that dont live in Colorado and have no reason to like them.

Me too. I lived out of state. Elway was the draw. Im still around.

Tebow will be a bigger draw than Elway, and will leave behind a Steelers or Cowboys like national fanbase for the Broncos if he becomes a star player.

Kids love Tebow. Moms love Tebow.

There will be tons of Tebow gear around.

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 11:04 AM
I think thats a whole bunch of bull. I became a bronco fan because of Elway. Then I grew to like the rest of the team. People liking Tebow is a good platform for them to becoming long time bronco fans, especially to the ones that dont live in Colorado and have no reason to like them.

Yup ... As someone who's never been to Denver and fell in love with you guys when i was 10ish because of Elway and have been a Broncos fan for 25 years Blue's logic is messed.

strafen
10-22-2011, 11:08 AM
Those who want to cheer for a single athlete need to start watching golf. Football is a team sport and there is no "i" in "team".But there's an "m" for me-me!

Dedhed
10-22-2011, 12:16 PM
Yes, the controversy is media-driven. But has Tebow himself ever made a statement like "I'd like my fans to support the entire team?" If he has, I haven't seen it quoted. The demographic "Tebow fans" is not necessarily included in the demographic "Broncos fans"... if you get my drift.
Wow. Shut up with this crap. Yeah, it would be just a fantastic idea for Tebow to call more attention to the fact that he has more fans than the Broncos. Great idea. I mean really heady stuff. Great work.

The kid has done everything right. He's vcome in worked hard, kept his mouth shut and won the chance to start.

Maximus
10-22-2011, 12:25 PM
Wow. Shut up with this crap. Yeah, it would be just a fantastic idea for Tebow to call more attention to the fact that he has more fans than the Broncos. Great idea. I mean really heady stuff. Great work.

The kid has done everything right. He's vcome in worked hard, kept his mouth shut and won the chance to start.

The truth hurts huh... The little bastard never tried to silence the hoopla...

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 12:29 PM
The truth hurts huh... The little bastard never tried to silence the hoopla...

Aren't you one of those high functioning retards better known as raiders fans ?

Good luck with Carson Palmer , as someone living in Cincinnati , your team is stupid.

TonyR
10-22-2011, 12:36 PM
Tebow is the starting QB for the Denver Broncos, my favorite team.

It appears as though neither or you are fans of the Denver Broncos.

To be fair, epic, you and many others didn't apply this same rule when Orton was the starter. I'm just as glad as you are that he's no longer the starter, but you're being a little hypocritical here.

Rohirrim
10-22-2011, 12:47 PM
Wow. Shut up with this crap. Yeah, it would be just a fantastic idea for Tebow to call more attention to the fact that he has more fans than the Broncos. Great idea. I mean really heady stuff. Great work.

The kid has done everything right. He's vcome in worked hard, kept his mouth shut and won the chance to start.

He didn't win anything, dumbass. Orton failed.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 12:55 PM
How did Orton's polished footwork turn out?

Orton sucked and is correctly benched. I blame McDaniels for leaving the Broncos with no better options than we have this year... and a contract that made Orton untradeable (when he still had some value).

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:01 PM
Oh my. You are pretty sad. Is this all you have to cling to now?

Dude, I'm not "clinging to" anything....what I want is the same thing the coaches want. For him to work on his footwork problems. It's simple cause-and-effect... when he does a 4-step drop with a hitch instead of a 5-step drop, it throws off his timing with his receivers and more often than not, results in a busted play. Perhaps you're Ok with a wasted down, but don't you think it might be better if he just learned to do it right?

Dedhed
10-22-2011, 01:04 PM
He didn't win anything, dumbass. Orton failed.

Wrong. Orton gave him the chance to play Tebow won the job by clearly sparking the offense.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 01:06 PM
Tebow is the starting QB for the Denver Broncos, my favorite team.

It appears as though neither or you are fans of the Denver Broncos.

Yes, and I hope he succeeds because that means the team does. Did you hope for Orton to succeed 2 weeks ago? (Not really; you kinda wanted him to fail so Tebow would get to start). So now why are you carping at/calling out other fans and still trying to be divisive before he even starts this year? He'll succeed or he'll fail. If he fails we'll draft a QB next April and it really doesn't matter what you or I think.

Maximus
10-22-2011, 01:19 PM
Aren't you one of those high functioning retards better known as raiders fans ?

Good luck with Carson Palmer , as someone living in Cincinnati , your team is stupid.

LOL a high functioning retard is 6 trillion times smarter than the brightest donkey fan.

Don't worry about Palmer.... His mechanics and footwork are fine...

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-22-2011, 01:20 PM
See, you didn't expose yourself as a hater until the very end when you made it clear you have an issue with his faith.

UMMMM my philosophy is no one absolutely no one is beyond satire and humor in my eyes what i was doing is the same thing south park does ambit better i dont hate tebow but at the same time i will make jokes about him he can worship waterbuffalos as far as im concerned as long as his faith dont have him strappin tnt on his chest and yelling alah aka bar silly boy or flying jets into buildings

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 01:22 PM
LOL a high functioning retard is 6 trillion times smarter than the brightest donkey fan.

Don't worry about Palmer.... His mechanics and footwork are fine...

It's his knee and elbow you should be worried about. You traded a 1 and a 2 for a QB that was worth about a 3 who is on the downside.

Brilliant ...

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-22-2011, 01:25 PM
chill out people. cant anyone make jokes about tebow what about when the bronco team had tebow cut his hair to look like a friar . does that make you mad ? fvk whats wrong with you people being soo over sensitive . again chill out have some fun

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-22-2011, 01:34 PM
you idiots stop being soo hyper sensitive your making Bronco fans a laughing stock of the NFL . I REPEAT and in caps so you can read it I AM A TIM TEBOW FAN i wanted him to start ever since last year or come in during garbage time and get some action also i DO NOT HATE ORTON EITHER. again you uber sensitive tebow fans need to loosen up stop making us bronco fans look like idiots. i dont hate Christians nor Muslims nor Jews i only hate stupid people, terrorists obvious stuff ,and orange mane has alot of idiots including me.
TEBOW BLESS YOU AND FORGIVES YOU !!!!!!!!

Maximus
10-22-2011, 01:40 PM
It's his knee and elbow you should be worried about. You traded a 1 and a 2 for a QB that was worth about a 3 who is on the downside.

Brilliant ...

OK but he's better than what you're fielding on Sunday!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-22-2011, 01:45 PM
Seen the videos of kordelli didnt detect any malicious intent from him it was just skepticism . if tebow wants it to go away they he needs to win a few games to make it go away elway had skeptics also you idiots. TEBOW FORGIVE MAXIMUS also
TEBOW BLESS YOU AND IS ANYONE GONNA CELEBRATE TEBOWMAS its the holiday after thanks tebowgiving <--- and im gonna keep doing the god awful tebow puns going til you uber tebow fans get sense of humor

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 01:50 PM
OK but he's better than what you're fielding on Sunday!

At this point man I really don't know about that. Sure he's more conventional but as far as can you ask him to go win you games and put it on his shoulders that I don't know about... Down 17 I'd rather have Tebow than Carson from what I've watched the last few season in Cincy.

I've always been a Carson supporter , but the last few years in Cincy his game has eroded.

He's super gun shy , anytime there's pressure near his legs he won't step into throws and plant his front foot. He misses so many wide open guys high it's crazy.

I am glad he's getting a fresh start tho. I felt bad for him all those years here in cincy. It's like it was never his team , he always had a bunch of divas around him.

But I would hold off on the patting yourselves on the backs Raiders fans. Palmer very well could be a lemon.

Maximus
10-22-2011, 02:10 PM
At this point man I really don't know about that. Sure he's more conventional but as far as can you ask him to go win you games and put it on his shoulders that I don't know about... Down 17 I'd rather have Tebow than Carson from what I've watched the last few season in Cincy.

I've always been a Carson supporter , but the last few years in Cincy his game has eroded.

He's super gun shy , anytime there's pressure near his legs he won't step into throws and plant his front foot. He misses so many wide open guys high it's crazy.

I am glad he's getting a fresh start tho. I felt bad for him all those years here in cincy. It's like it was never his team , he always had a bunch of divas around him.

But I would hold off on the patting yourselves on the backs Raiders fans. Palmer very well could be a lemon.

I can agree with you about him being gun shy after the injuries and his accuracy did suffer because of that. With that being said... We both know that he's a better QB than Timmy. Timmy is a better athlete but he's not a better Quarterback.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:16 PM
To be fair, epic, you and many others didn't apply this same rule when Orton was the starter. I'm just as glad as you are that he's no longer the starter, but you're being a little hypocritical here.

I pulled for Orton as well.

I want the Broncos to win. If Orton was winning, I'd be happy.

Being upset that Orton lets you down so often doesn't mean that you don't pull for him. In fact, it infers the opposite. It infers that you have hopes in him that he doesn't fulfill.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:19 PM
I can agree with you about him being gun shy after the injuries and his accuracy did suffer because of that. With that being said... We both know that he's a better QB than Timmy. Timmy is a better athlete but he's not a better Quarterback.

Lets compare after sunday, shall we?

Maximus
10-22-2011, 02:43 PM
Lets compare after sunday, shall we?

LOL There is nothing to compare. The Raiders have a Quarterback the donks have a gimmick... like the wildcat offense... who's running a full blown wildcat offense right now?

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 02:58 PM
There is nothing to compare. The Raiders have a Quarterback the donks have a gimmick... like the wildcat offense... who's running a full blown wildcat offense right now?

The Raiders have a prissy-priss QB and the Broncos have a gladiator.

Maximus
10-22-2011, 03:05 PM
The Raiders have a prissy-priss QB and the Broncos have a gladiator.

Hilarious! Thanks for proving my point... a prissy-priss QB is a QB... A gladiator is a dumb neanderthal!

cmhargrove
10-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Wow, just watched Kordell and Stephen A. What a crock of **** that was. They say you can't use Cam and Tebow in the same sentence and that Tebow has nowhere near the talent of Cam. This after they say Tebow has to win this week or else he will be ripped in the media. All the while excusing Cam being 1-5 because he needs "help".

So there is more pressure on the guy with less talent to win than the guy with all the talent? The criticism of Tebow is so out there I don't know what to make of it.

It's so irrational.

Good choice of words - irrational. That obviously goes along with my original intent for the thread. I have never seen a player so over-scrutinized at every level in his career, but now it just seems irrational.

Im no "super fan," but if people talk irrational crap about my team, I'll take a stand because that's what I feel like a good fan should do. The person that happens to be in the crosshairs is Tebow, but I would get pretty defensive about people talking irrational crap on any Bronco player.

If you are a media professional, it seems like you should at least have an informed opinion. I'm totally cool with skeptics, but people who look past Tebow's success (and proven production at every level) are just ignoring the facts. I believe that Tebow has a lot to prove (and could likely fail in Denver). But I won't sit around and just listen to people talk **** on my team, that's just the way I am.

So Gunns, for the ad hominem attack - shove it up your ****in ass sideways. I stand up against irrational attacks on our team because that's what I believe a fan should do. It's obvious that we are very different types of people.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 03:13 PM
Hilarious! Thanks for proving my point... a prissy-priss QB is a QB... A gladiator is a dumb neanderthal!

Carson Palmer
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Thomas_Gainsborough_008.jpg/300px-Thomas_Gainsborough_008.jpg

Tim Tebow
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fTT9xlgZ9CU/R1CQr0qG_1I/AAAAAAAAB2k/8qP-PJNIXO0/s1600-R/Leonidas1.jpg

TDmvp
10-22-2011, 03:15 PM
Carson Palmer
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Thomas_Gainsborough_008.jpg/300px-Thomas_Gainsborough_008.jpg

Tim Tebow
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fTT9xlgZ9CU/R1CQr0qG_1I/AAAAAAAAB2k/8qP-PJNIXO0/s1600-R/Leonidas1.jpg



Actually Tim is Braveheart + Gladiator + Thor from what I heard.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6198/gladiator21.jpg

Maximus
10-22-2011, 03:25 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pmmsr7PAhWU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tebow is that donkey that will never be a Clydesdale, Thoroughbred, Quarter horse or pony.... He's a donkey!

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 03:31 PM
So Gunns, for the ad hominem attack - shove it up your ****in ass sideways. I stand up against irrational attacks on our team because that's what I believe a fan should do. It's obvious that we are very different types of people.

If Gunns made an ad hominem attack, I certainly didn't see it. What you just said to her is way over the top and out of line, however. notsofast

/mod mode

cmhargrove
10-22-2011, 03:41 PM
If Gunns made an ad hominem attack, I certainly didn't see it. What you just said to her is way over the top and out of line, however. notsofast

/mod mode

Read post 28. If you don't understand ad hominem, I'm sure you can look it up.

Jay3
10-22-2011, 04:04 PM
Tebow is that donkey that will never be a Clydesdale, Thoroughbred, Quarter horse or pony.... He's a donkey!

You got the wrong Budweiser Clydesdale commercial. This is Tebow:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nGx4E8w5VHg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Dagmar
10-22-2011, 04:43 PM
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/bekkiglittz/GIFs/Random/b0aee16f.gif?t=1286184666

Bronx33
10-22-2011, 04:45 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pmmsr7PAhWU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tebow is that donkey that will never be a Clydesdale, Thoroughbred, Quarter horse or pony.... He's a donkey!


Your takes on anybody are basically worthless ( just so you know) you used to suck jamarcuses dingaling.

Blueflame
10-22-2011, 07:57 PM
Read post 28. If you don't understand ad hominem, I'm sure you can look it up.

To be an ad hominem attack, a specific other poster must clearly be addressed by the personal attack or insult. Gunns quoted no one... and named no names in Post #28. It isn't her fault that you assumed her remark was aimed at you.

Dedhed
10-22-2011, 09:27 PM
UMMMM my philosophy is no one absolutely no one is beyond satire and humor in my eyes what i was doing is the same thing south park does ambit better i dont hate tebow but at the same time i will make jokes about him he can worship waterbuffalos as far as im concerned as long as his faith dont have him strappin tnt on his chest and yelling alah aka bar silly boy or flying jets into buildings
usepuncutationeverynowandagainitwillmakeiteasierfo rpeopletounderstandwhatyouretalkingaboutunlessyouh aventmadeittothegradewheretheytalkaboutgrammarands uffandifthatsthecasejustignorethismessagelikeimgoi ngtodowiththerestofyourpostsbecauseyoucantusetheen glishlanguage.

gunns
10-22-2011, 09:48 PM
So Gunns, for the ad hominem attack - shove it up your ****in ass sideways. I stand up against irrational attacks on our team because that's what I believe a fan should do. It's obvious that we are very different types of people

If a fan of another team comes in here and attacks the Broncos, of course I will attempt to make them out to be the fools (because they are fans of other teams) they are, as they can see my post. An opinion of someone in the media, I will never talk with, I may comment I think he's an idiot but I'm not going to make a list as I fail to see how that stands up for "irrational" attacks against the team, especially if they can't see the post or list. It's their opinion, that's it, just like many here who have Tebow much further ahead than the "list" and in the end has no effect on the team. Sorry that you had to take it so personal, it was directed at a thread and a list.

What I see are people who want to pound their chests and want their asses kissed because they were right. No one's been right yet, but if you are, a list still isn't going to get your ass kissed. But if it makes you feel better, damn dude, go for it. Of course I won't be getting my ass kissed with ****ing something shoved sideways. ;D

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-22-2011, 10:28 PM
usepuncutationeverynowandagainitwillmakeiteasierfo rpeopletounderstandwhatyouretalkingaboutunlessyouh aventmadeittothegradewheretheytalkaboutgrammarands uffandifthatsthecasejustignorethismessagelikeimgoi ngtodowiththerestofyourpostsbecauseyoucantusetheen glishlanguage.

butidontwanttostupid

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-22-2011, 10:32 PM
so why are some tebow fans hyper sensitive to any type of criticism ?
dont every player coach team have critics?

bombay
10-22-2011, 10:35 PM
If the Broncos don't beat the putrid dolphins, who are in full lay down for Luck mode, they're even worse than they've looked to this point.

houghtam
10-22-2011, 11:18 PM
Yes, and I hope he succeeds because that means the team does. Did you hope for Orton to succeed 2 weeks ago? (Not really; you kinda wanted him to fail so Tebow would get to start). So now why are you carping at/calling out other fans and still trying to be divisive before he even starts this year? He'll succeed or he'll fail. If he fails we'll draft a QB next April and it really doesn't matter what you or I think.

There's a difference between wanting someone to fail and realizing they are going to fail. Orton is a loser. Deal with it.

epicSocialism4tw
10-22-2011, 11:18 PM
so why are some tebow fans hyper sensitive to any type of criticism ?
dont every player coach team have critics?

Its not that Broncos fans are hypersensitive (hyper- is a prefix). Its that there is such a massive amount of criticism that you eventually have to react to it because thats all anyone talks about.

Seriously now. Tebow is a second year player on a poor team taking over for a poor QB. Has any second-year QB taking over the position for the first time EVER received the massive, incessant amount of criticism that Tebow has faced? (Thats a rhetorical question)

Blueflame
10-23-2011, 12:30 AM
There's a difference between wanting someone to fail and realizing they are going to fail. Orton is a loser. Deal with it.

Dunno where you got the idea I'm in any way "attached" to Orton. I've repeatedly stated that he is what he is and has always been: a mediocre QB. He has no future with the Denver Broncos and I won't be sad to see him leave town. So what's left for "me" to deal with? (nothing) *shrug*

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 01:21 AM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/KyleOrtonDaveGrohl-300x186.png

Orton isn't good enough to be mentioned in the same sentence with Grohl.

fontaine
10-23-2011, 02:51 AM
so why are some tebow fans hyper sensitive to any type of criticism ??

fapping affects reasoning

http://menversus.com/images/rule-34-muppets.gif

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2011, 03:09 AM
fapping affects reasoning

http://menversus.com/images/rule-34-muppets.gif

Apparently it affects maturity as well.

gunns
10-23-2011, 06:26 AM
Its not that Tebow fans are hypersensitive (hyper- is a prefix). Its that there is such a massive amount of criticism that you eventually have to react to it because thats all anyone talks about.

Seriously now. Tebow is a second year player on a poor team taking over for a poor QB. Has any second-year QB taking over the position for the first time EVER received the massive, incessant amount of criticism that Tebow has faced? (Thats a rhetorical question)

Funny things is I've heard about an equal amount of criticism and hope/praise from the media and from other Bronco fans. When it's the Broncos they are criticizing, we've earned it. If passion can win games, maybe the Broncos will turn that around

cmhargrove
10-23-2011, 07:36 AM
If a fan of another team comes in here and attacks the Broncos, of course I will attempt to make them out to be the fools (because they are fans of other teams) they are, as they can see my post. An opinion of someone in the media, I will never talk with, I may comment I think he's an idiot but I'm not going to make a list as I fail to see how that stands up for "irrational" attacks against the team, especially if they can't see the post or list. It's their opinion, that's it, just like many here who have Tebow much further ahead than the "list" and in the end has no effect on the team. Sorry that you had to take it so personal, it was directed at a thread and a list.

What I see are people who want to pound their chests and want their asses kissed because they were right. No one's been right yet, but if you are, a list still isn't going to get your ass kissed. But if it makes you feel better, damn dude, go for it. Of course I won't be getting my ass kissed with ****ing something shoved sideways. ;D

Hey, I'm big enough to smoke the peace pipe if you are, and I'm big enough to apologize for my harsh words - there have been too many of those around here lately. Consider that your mistaken opinion of the thread subject and your harsh words against me derailed the discussion quickly. I never used any of the words or sentiments you ascribed to me.

This thread (if you look at it objectively and re-read the original post). Was about standing up against the vehement and irrational criticism of one of our own. I didn't even re-interpret what the media sources said, I carefully took the time to post links and have readers make their own opinions. Then, you jumped in to vilify, tear down, and talk about my balls.

We both probably crossed the line - I'm sorry. But you need to read posts for what they say, and not your implied (and very personal) meanings.

montrose
10-23-2011, 07:56 AM
What's going to be even funnier (if Tebow succeeds) is each media member either:

1) Debating on the subjectivity of "success" - nothing less than winning a Super Bowl while his own defense gives up about 50 points and the offense has not one Pro Bowl player surrounding him will clearly prove some wrong

2) Playing the, "I wanted him to prove me wrong" card

3) Playing the "I knew he could never be a 'prototypical QB' but the league is changing to accomodate players like him" card

or the best one and the one I most expect...

4) Sweeping under the rug you ever doubted him until he starts to fail and reverting back to your original points (i.e. "The Josh McDaniels Card")

KO5K
10-23-2011, 08:17 AM
If passion can win games, maybe the Broncos will turn that around

I like your subtle dig at Tebow ;).

barryr
10-23-2011, 08:37 AM
There were plenty that wanted Orton to fail after the Cutler trade and now some want Tebow to fail as well. With "fans" like this, 3-13 seasons are well deserved for them.

cmhargrove
10-23-2011, 08:45 AM
To be an ad hominem attack, a specific other poster must clearly be addressed by the personal attack or insult. Gunns quoted no one... and named no names in Post #28. It isn't her fault that you assumed her remark was aimed at you.

Blue flame, i wonder about your reading comprehension. I asked Gunns to confirm who post 28 was directed towards, then in post 43, she uses the personal pronoun "you" several times again, as she confirms her remarks.

Anyway, it's over, and it's really not that big of a deal. If you don't want to talk about uncalled for media attacks on our QB, then we probably don't have much to talk about.

gunns
10-23-2011, 08:50 AM
Hey, I'm big enough to smoke the peace pipe if you are, and I'm big enough to apologize for my harsh words - there have been too many of those around here lately. Consider that your mistaken opinion of the thread subject and your harsh words against me derailed the discussion quickly. I never used any of the words or sentiments you ascribed to me.

This thread (if you look at it objectively and re-read the original post). Was about standing up against the vehement and irrational criticism of one of our own. I didn't even re-interpret what the media sources said, I carefully took the time to post links and have readers make their own opinions. Then, you jumped in to vilify, tear down, and talk about my balls.

We both probably crossed the line - I'm sorry. But you need to read posts for what they say, and not your implied (and very personal) meanings.

This really was nothing against you in particular. I was stupid enough to think that once Tebow was named the starter there would be more threads about Bronco football and less about how wrong "they" were and how right "I" was. The media are just people like the rest of us. Their opinions are as off or right as ours are. And at this point everyone has their own opinion on what Tebow will do. No one is right or wrong yet but isn't the ONLY reason we want Tebow to do well is because it benefits the Broncos as a whole? If the Broncos improve the media's opinions will probably change for the positive and those that made harsh remarks about Tebow will do an about face and look stupid as always.

My harsh post, as you put it, was, as I said, as stupid as all of this crap. It was a deflection. Some were lines from movies, including the reference to balls, which I'm sorry you never saw because it was funny as hell. It was not a reference to your balls, it was everyone that is taking the holier than thou route once again. You are a decent poster and I do apologize for picking your thread to go off. I could have picked from a dozen on the front page.

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 09:41 AM
Blue takes more undeserved incoming fire than anybody ... I don't get it. She was never a big Orton fan. And gunns' wasn' ad hominem either. This must be a gender thing, bunch of low-brow he-men misogynists around here. At least cmh pulled back, I don't see that much.

If I was in calling the shots here, anybody makes a feminine-specific insult like the monthly thing or the c word, I'd give him a week off as fast as I could click.

The c-word, and she lets it slide ... some of you guys should thank her for being so patient, you sure as he!! don't deserve it.

montrose
10-23-2011, 12:14 PM
On this day, the "haters" have to be laughing their asses off. This is their wet dream.

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 03:45 PM
On this day, the "haters" have to be laughing their asses off. This is their wet dream.

Methinks though spoketh too soon ....

Gort
10-23-2011, 03:48 PM
i hate to say this, and i'm sure they've both been mentioned already, but Boomer Esiason and Shannon Sharpe are both on the hate train. Boomer because he thinks all QBs have to be prototypical QBs and Shannon because... well... i'm not sure why Shannon doesn't believe in him. you would think a guy who played with Elway and defended Dilfer during the Ravens' superbowl season would understand the value of a QB with intangibles.

Bronx33
10-23-2011, 03:53 PM
i hate to say this, and i'm sure they've both been mentioned already, but Boomer Esiason and Shannon Sharpe are both on the hate train. Boomer because he thinks all QBs have to be prototypical QBs and Shannon because... well... i'm not sure why Shannon doesn't believe in him. you would think a guy who played with Elway and defended Dilfer during the Ravens' superbowl season would understand the value of a QB with intangibles.


Well if this tells us anything its that the talking heads with all the NFL experience in the world are not 100% correct all the time they are merely opinions just like anybody else on the planet.

TonyR
10-28-2011, 08:54 PM
Some Tebow love from Bill Simmons. Sort of...

22. Tim Tebow
When I watched football with some friends last Sunday, we put Tebow on one of the four TVs even though Miami and Denver had one win between them. We laughed every time he bounced a pass or sailed one over someone's head — that's just part of the Tebow Experience at this point — and we were riveted anytime he started scrambling. We started cheering when Tebow led the first comeback drive, and when they recovered the onside kick, we had absolutely no doubt that Denver was winning. When they lined up for the game-tying two-point conversion and spread everyone out, we knew Tebow was running a QB draw, and we knew Tebow was getting it. When they kicked an absurdly long field goal to win the game, we weren't surprised when it hooked left and mysteriously hooked back straight, and we weren't surprised that Tebow was crouched and praying after it went in.

Here's my question: Why does this have to mean anything? Can't Tim Tebow just be a super-athletic QB with an erratic arm and possibly mystical powers who bugs the hell out of hardcore football analysts and stat guys because not EVERYTHING about sports has to have a concrete answer? One of my favorite songs of all time is "Nuthin' But a G Thang." Has anyone ever sat around trying to interpret what "It's like this and like that and like this and uh" means? No! And that's the chorus! Not everything has to mean something. I'm proud to be part of the Occupy Tebow crusade.

...

BRONCOS (+3) over Lions
SEAHAWKS (+3) over Bengals
Look, some things can't be explained. Blowing a World Series title with Darren Oliver, Scott Feldman and Mark Lowe on the mound? That can be explained. The power of Tebow and the power of Seattle's home-field advantage? That cannot be explained.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings

Agamemnon
10-28-2011, 09:45 PM
Of course it means something. It means that Tebow is a young, developing QB that has a rare ability to make plays in clutch situations. But it doesn't mean he'll be a franchise QB. And it doesn't mean he won't.

TDmvp
10-28-2011, 09:48 PM
Some Tebow love from Bill Simmons. Sort of...

22. Tim Tebow
When I watched football with some friends last Sunday, we put Tebow on one of the four TVs even though Miami and Denver had one win between them. We laughed every time he bounced a pass or sailed one over someone's head — that's just part of the Tebow Experience at this point — and we were riveted anytime he started scrambling. We started cheering when Tebow led the first comeback drive, and when they recovered the onside kick, we had absolutely no doubt that Denver was winning. When they lined up for the game-tying two-point conversion and spread everyone out, we knew Tebow was running a QB draw, and we knew Tebow was getting it. When they kicked an absurdly long field goal to win the game, we weren't surprised when it hooked left and mysteriously hooked back straight, and we weren't surprised that Tebow was crouched and praying after it went in.

Here's my question: Why does this have to mean anything? Can't Tim Tebow just be a super-athletic QB with an erratic arm and possibly mystical powers who bugs the hell out of hardcore football analysts and stat guys because not EVERYTHING about sports has to have a concrete answer? One of my favorite songs of all time is "Nuthin' But a G Thang." Has anyone ever sat around trying to interpret what "It's like this and like that and like this and uh" means? No! And that's the chorus! Not everything has to mean something. I'm proud to be part of the Occupy Tebow crusade.

...




Good read Tonyr...

OABB
10-29-2011, 12:55 AM
Blue takes more undeserved incoming fire than anybody ... I don't get it. She was never a big Orton fan. And gunns' wasn' ad hominem either. This must be a gender thing, bunch of low-brow he-men misogynists around here. At least cmh pulled back, I don't see that much.

If I was in calling the shots here, anybody makes a feminine-specific insult like the monthly thing or the c word, I'd give him a week off as fast as I could click.

The c-word, and she lets it slide ... some of you guys should thank her for being so patient, you sure as he!! don't deserve it.

Gayest post ever? Gayest post ever. Jeez, this fad passed when most guys learned it not only didnt help us get laid, but made women lose all respect for us. You need a mans weekend course dude. Sad sad post.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-29-2011, 08:15 AM
Gayest post ever? Gayest post ever. Jeez, this fad passed when most guys learned it not only didnt help us get laid, but made women lose all respect for us. You need a mans weekend course dude. Sad sad post.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_n2IVF9a2IA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Seduce and Destroy! (NSFW)

Mile High Mojoe
10-29-2011, 10:33 AM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_n2IVF9a2IA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Seduce and Destroy! (NSFW)

My God! Ha ha! This is classic. I'd never seen it before. Hilarious!

Dr. Broncenstein
10-29-2011, 11:00 AM
My God! Ha ha! This is classic. I'd never seen it before. Hilarious!

Welcome to the 90's.

cmhargrove
11-28-2011, 06:20 AM
Anyone watch Mike and Mike this morning? They had Hoge on the set and asked him about the game.

The person Hoge respected the most in the Broncos - Chargers game? Philip Rivers. I don't think he even mentioned Tebow's name.

The biggest play in the game? When the Tolbert "lost 4 yards" on their last run play and took them out of FG range. No mention that Von Miller blew up the play in the backfield, and the Broncos D prevailed. Once again, it was an unfortunate mistake by the Chargers.

It was pretty funny because one of the Mikes (not sure which one) was pushing him a little about it, and Hoge kept backtracking and talking only about the Chargers.

TheReverend
11-28-2011, 06:26 AM
Anyone watch Mike and Mike this morning? They had Hoge on the set and asked him about the game.

The person Hoge respected the most in the Broncos - Chargers game? Philip Rivers. I don't think he even mentioned Tebow's name.

The biggest play in the game? When the Tolbert "lost 4 yards" on their last run play and took them out of FG range. No mention that Von Miller blew up the play in the backfield, and the Broncos D prevailed. Once again, it was an unfortunate mistake by the Chargers.

It was pretty funny because one of the Mikes (not sure which one) was pushing him a little about it, and Hoge kept backtracking and talking only about the Chargers.

I hate him so much

joe9999
11-28-2011, 07:15 AM
Trying to keep this thread on topic. Here is the top ten list so far:

1. John Clayton
2. Brian Billick
3. Coward
4. Boomer Esiasan
5. Merril Hoge
6. Kordell Stewart
7. Stephen A. Smith
8. Trent Dilfer
9.
10.

R8R H8R
11-28-2011, 07:39 AM
There are 2 reasons the Hoges of the world must deflect the credit away from Tebow/Broncos, and blame the other team for losing the game:

1. They are so invested in their opinion- their reputation/ credibility is on the line- that they must keep the conversation off any credit to Tebow.

2. Be assured, with every Tebow led Broncos win, the haters die a little inside.

bronco militia
11-28-2011, 07:49 AM
http://www.drewlitton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/vasinvictorycolor.gif

cmhargrove
11-28-2011, 08:04 AM
http://www.drewlitton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/vasinvictorycolor.gif

In all honesty, John looked like he was genuinely having fun on the sidelines yesterday. I think he has also done a good job of explaining his previous comments, and I think he is learning one step at a time.

It's a funny cartoon, but you could even see the glimmer in the Duke's eyes as our team pulled it together and stole that one from the Chargers (who have owned us recently).

Lycan
11-28-2011, 08:15 AM
Some analyst on ESPN First Take (maybe Jon Ritchie?) just said that Tebow's pass to Decker in OT was "horribly inaccurate" and that Decker bailed him out.

Anyone have a gif of the Decker pass? I thought it was actually a pretty good pass where he put it where only Decker could get to it.

He went on to say that any RB could do exactly what Tebow has done the past 6 1/2 games.

I think we can add him to the list.

v2micca
11-28-2011, 08:19 AM
Trying to keep this thread on topic. Here is the top ten list so far:

1. John Clayton
2. Brian Billick
3. Coward
4. Boomer Esiasan
5. Merril Hoge
6. Kordell Stewart
7. Stephen A. Smith
8. Trent Dilfer
9.
10.


Definitely add Chris Carter to that list. He was opposite of Jackson in a pregame show when someone posed the question who would you rather have as your QB in the final 2 minutes of the game. Jackson bled his typical Orange and Blue colors, but you could see the vein twitching in Carter's temples as he once again claimed that Tebow limited an offense too much. I listen to his act on Mike and Mike in the morning during my daily commute. Tebow's success is freaking killing him.

bronco militia
11-28-2011, 08:25 AM
In all honesty, John looked like he was genuinely having fun on the sidelines yesterday. I think he has also done a good job of explaining his previous comments, and I think he is learning one step at a time.

It's a funny cartoon, but you could even see the glimmer in the Duke's eyes as our team pulled it together and stole that one from the Chargers (who have owned us recently).

yeah, I don't buy the soap opera the fans and media are creating. It's johns job to love the Broncos more than Tebow.

Gort
11-28-2011, 09:03 AM
10. Marshall Faulk

dude might just commit Seppuku if the Broncos make the playoffs.

:nutkick

teknic
11-28-2011, 09:17 AM
Sounds like Florio has jumped on the bandwagon fully now.

The Tebowmania effect.
Lost in the impact that Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5096/tim-tebow) has on his teammates is the impact he possibly has on his opponents. (And, no, I’m not referring to the entirely different kind of Tebowing (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/27/yes-nick-novak-was-urinating-on-the-sideline/) in which Chargers kicker Nick Novak (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3504/nick-novak) engaged on Sunday.)

Despite the obsession that some have with statistics, football remains the unique product of 22 moving parts, fueled more by intangibles than metrics, especially where the metrics tend to balance each other out. If 11 of the players possess genuine confidence in their skills, they can perform better than the sum of their parts. And if they lack confidence, the opposite can occur.

That’s the other side of the Tebowmania effect. The Broncos now believe that they can keep games close and find a way to win — and teams like the Chargers believe that the Broncos will keep games close and find a way to win.

With each passing week, the team that Tebow plays will have to overcome his uncanny ability to overcome. And that factor is far more dangerous than a rocket arm or a sub-4.4 40-yard dash or the ability to bench press 225 pounds up to 225 times.

Objectively, there was no reason that the Broncos should have beaten the Chargers in San Diego on Sunday. The home team had lost five games in a row, the head coach occupies one of the hottest seats in all of football, and the Chargers on paper seem to be the better team.

But the Tebowmania effect allowed Denver to keep it close — and to find a way to win. Unless and until someone breaks that spell, the Broncos will remain a serious threat not only to make the playoffs but also to do some serious damage once they get there.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/28/week-12-monday-10-pack-2/

Turd_Ferguson
11-28-2011, 09:20 AM
Stephen A. Smith (aka dickface)


LOL

MajorGCG
11-28-2011, 09:23 AM
Some analyst on ESPN First Take (maybe Jon Ritchie?) just said that Tebow's pass to Decker in OT was "horribly inaccurate" and that Decker bailed him out.

Anyone have a gif of the Decker pass? I thought it was actually a pretty good pass where he put it where only Decker could get to it.

He went on to say that any RB could do exactly what Tebow has done the past 6 1/2 games.

I think we can add him to the list.

Sure - Ronnie Brown was brilliant throwing the ball for Miami a couple of years ago. Some people are just dumb.

broncobum6162
11-28-2011, 09:25 AM
Anyone watch Mike and Mike this morning? They had Hoge on the set and asked him about the game.

The person Hoge respected the most in the Broncos - Chargers game? Philip Rivers. I don't think he even mentioned Tebow's name.

The biggest play in the game? When the Tolbert "lost 4 yards" on their last run play and took them out of FG range. No mention that Von Miller blew up the play in the backfield, and the Broncos D prevailed. Once again, it was an unfortunate mistake by the Chargers.

It was pretty funny because one of the Mikes (not sure which one) was pushing him a little about it, and Hoge kept backtracking and talking only about the Chargers.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7289827

Go to the 3 minute part of the segment....I did a thwack_i_O_i_Knowitall:espnsux::spit: when he started talking about Phyllis..

MajorGCG
11-28-2011, 09:28 AM
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7289827

Go to the 3 minute part of the segment....I did a thwack_i_O_i_Knowitall:espnsux::spit: when he started talking about Phyllis..

Hey Merril - it feels 30degrees hotter than it is because people are turning up the heat on your BS. You can be the bigger man, even though you are only 5-7, and give Tebow and the team some credit.

edog24
11-28-2011, 09:33 AM
LOL

The last show I saw with Smith and Bayless seemed to indicate that Smith was softening a bit. I think you can add all the football night in america squad to the haters list though (Dungy, harrison). They gave absolutely no credit to Teboz.

teknic
11-28-2011, 09:42 AM
The last show I saw with Smith and Bayless seemed to indicate that Smith was softening a bit. I think you can add all the football night in america squad to the haters list though (Dungy, harrison). They gave absolutely no credit to Teboz.

Actually, Dungy loves Tebow. He had a lot of good things to say about Tebow last year.

Bronx33
11-28-2011, 09:49 AM
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7289827

Go to the 3 minute part of the segment....I did a thwack_i_O_i_Knowitall:espnsux::spit: when he started talking about Phyllis..


And off to the right tony kerheiser still has a job ( that just amazes me to no end) i can just imagine what that tard is saying about the broncos.

Popps
11-28-2011, 09:51 AM
Have we stomped out the few people left on earth that don't approve of Tebow yet?
I'll feel so much safer when that finally happens. I can't stand only having 99.9999999% of the globe agree with me.

Lycan
11-28-2011, 10:34 AM
Have we stomped out the few people left on earth that don't approve of Tebow yet?
I'll feel so much safer when that finally happens. I can't stand only having 99.9999999% of the globe agree with me.

I have no problem with legit critics. Tebow has plenty of flaws, he should get critiqued like any other player.

It's just the guys who have an obvious bias that bug me. Merril Hoge and Cris Carter for example.

Not because it's Tebow either, it would bug me no matter who the player was.

Jay3
11-28-2011, 10:56 AM
The last show I saw with Smith and Bayless seemed to indicate that Smith was softening a bit. I think you can add all the football night in america squad to the haters list though (Dungy, harrison). They gave absolutely no credit to Teboz.

Not true for Tony Dungey. I saw it and he credited Tebow. Not a hater.

jhns
11-28-2011, 02:32 PM
Kiper has a list of worst QB situations in the league.

1) Redskins

2) Broncos

3) Dolphins

4) Seahawks

5) Chiefs


That is beyond stupid.

Drunk Monkey
11-28-2011, 02:44 PM
I am more on board then I was...... Still not all the way there just yet. But it is looking better. Tebow aside the team is playing great.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 02:49 PM
Have we stomped out the few people left on earth that don't approve of Tebow yet?
I'll feel so much safer when that finally happens. I can't stand only having 99.9999999% of the globe agree with me.

Tebow haters are a different breed. Its personal for them and a matter of pride.

Popps
11-28-2011, 03:02 PM
I have no problem with legit critics. Tebow has plenty of flaws, he should get critiqued like any other player.

It's just the guys who have an obvious bias that bug me. Merril Hoge and Cris Carter for example.

Not because it's Tebow either, it would bug me no matter who the player was.

Trust me, Tebow isn't worried about them. You shouldn't be, either.

Now, I will say... it was funny to see Hodge squirm today, trying to credit anyone but Tebow for what's going on.

Popps
11-28-2011, 03:07 PM
Tebow haters are a different breed. Its personal for them and a matter of pride.

Yea, all 2 of the people here you've managed to identify, and the couple of paid, talking-heads who are probably just goosing ratings with the whole act.

But, you keep fighting that good fight. We MUST stomp out the nearly 0% of people who don't like him. Let's lose sleep over it.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 03:08 PM
Yea, all 2 of the people here you've managed to identify, and the couple of paid, talking-heads who are probably just goosing ratings with the whole act.

But, you keep fighting that good fight. We MUST stomp out the nearly 0% of people who don't like him. Let's lose sleep over it.

The haters will succumb. It happened when Tebow was at Florida, it will happen in Denver as well.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 03:09 PM
Yea, all 2 of the people here you've managed to identify, and the couple of paid, talking-heads who are probably just goosing ratings with the whole act.

But, you keep fighting that good fight. We MUST stomp out the nearly 0% of people who don't like him. Let's lose sleep over it.


http://www.showcaseyouth.com/Oh%20the%20Drama%203.jpg

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 03:21 PM
I was listening to Colin Cowherd today. Can't believe I used to like his show.

The guy is now busy comparing Tebow to the great pocket passers of our generation to minimize what Tebow has already accomplished. It's really pathetic. He can't even man up and say: "Well, folks, I underestimated Tebow."

Now I just find him annoying. I made the switch to the Dan Patrick show today.

HAT
11-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Kiper has a list of worst QB situations in the league.

1) Redskins

2) Broncos

3) Dolphins

4) Seahawks

5) Chiefs


That is beyond stupid.

Depends....Was he talking about starting QB situations or QB situation as a whole?

Mile High Mojoe
11-28-2011, 03:33 PM
Michael Silver is still one of the worst Hitmen in the written media toward Tebow and the Broncos. This one stands out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=mssilver_morning_rush_tebow_struggles_10 3111

Then this one trying to cover his ass:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=mssilver_rankings_john_elway_orton_tebow _112311

Then in his latest column he makes this comment about Tebow:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AhLfmVNAN3VkBmydg1XqNhBDubYF?slug=ms-silver_morning_rush_qb_playoff_hopes_bears_texans_ 112811

“In a spectacular confluence of time-honored (but rarely broadcast) football custom and too-good-to-be-true metaphor, Chargers kicker Nick Novack relieved himself on the sidelines while squatting near a cart full of Gatorade dispensers late in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s overtime defeat to the Broncos.”

“Fittingly, his team was in the process of performing a figurative act that was roughly equivalent, cowering to the strange, burgeoning power of Tebow and his mighty warriors in a messy and embarrassing fashion. In losing its sixth consecutive game San Diego (4-7) seemed to be scared to seize command, failing to score for the final 39 minutes and allowing a quarterback who completed his first pass less than four minutes before halftime (and completed only five to wide receivers on the day) to steal a game in overtime.”

Then says this about Rivers:

“The Chargers, meanwhile, have Philip Rivers. Yes, Rivers was harassed consistently on Sunday, and he hasn’t been himself this season, but he still should have been the most dangerous passer on the field, by far.”

He’s one of the biggest haters out there and at every opportunity slams the Broncos and Tebow. Please note: Later he proceeds to slobber all over Palmer since he lives in the Bay area, wonder why?

A few weeks ago I posted the first link and called Silver out and was summarily slammed by Tebow Haters on the OM but as the evidence clearly shows over and over he’s hater. Case closed.

Popps
11-28-2011, 03:45 PM
Michael Silver is still one of the worst Hitmen in the written media toward Tebow and the Broncos. This one stands out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=mssilver_morning_rush_tebow_struggles_10 3111

Then this one trying to cover his ass:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=mssilver_rankings_john_elway_orton_tebow _112311

Then in his latest column he makes this comment about Tebow:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AhLfmVNAN3VkBmydg1XqNhBDubYF?slug=ms-silver_morning_rush_qb_playoff_hopes_bears_texans_ 112811

“In a spectacular confluence of time-honored (but rarely broadcast) football custom and too-good-to-be-true metaphor, Chargers kicker Nick Novack relieved himself on the sidelines while squatting near a cart full of Gatorade dispensers late in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s overtime defeat to the Broncos.”

“Fittingly, his team was in the process of performing a figurative act that was roughly equivalent, cowering to the strange, burgeoning power of Tebow and his mighty warriors in a messy and embarrassing fashion. In losing its sixth consecutive game San Diego (4-7) seemed to be scared to seize command, failing to score for the final 39 minutes and allowing a quarterback who completed his first pass less than four minutes before halftime (and completed only five to wide receivers on the day) to steal a game in overtime.”

Then says this about Rivers:

“The Chargers, meanwhile, have Philip Rivers. Yes, Rivers was harassed consistently on Sunday, and he hasn’t been himself this season, but he still should have been the most dangerous passer on the field, by far.”

He’s one of the biggest haters out there and at every opportunity slams the Broncos and Tebow. Please note: Later he proceeds to slobber all over Palmer since he lives in the Bay area, wonder why?

A few weeks ago I posted the first link and called Silver out and was summarily slammed by Tebow Haters on the OM but as the evidence clearly shows over and over he’s hater. Case closed.

Great, now I won't sleep tomorrow night, either.

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 04:01 PM
We should also keep track of commentators who have regularly been on Tebow's side. At the top of the list is Skip Bayless. He hasn't waivered since the day Tebow was drafted.

Another big name firmly in the Tebow camp is Mike Ditka. Here is Ditka before the draft.

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Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 04:38 PM
Check out this assclown Andrew Perloff. He thinks Tebow is just lucky and is busy trying to show how a 5-1 winning streak is common in the NFL with young QB's.

He's also doing the line about sustainability: "Sure, Tebow's winning now. But it's not sustainable."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/nfl/2011/11/27/112711.perloff_week12_game3.SportsIllustrated/index.html?sct=nfl_bf4_a6

What's funny is that when Tebow took over, people were asking: "Can Tebow take his team to the playoffs?" And the universal answer was "No". Now that the playoffs are a real possibility, the question is: "Can Tebow win a Super Bowl?"

DomCasual
11-28-2011, 04:47 PM
Check out this assclown Andrew Perloff. He thinks Tebow is just lucky and is busy trying to show how a 5-1 winning streak is common in the NFL with young QB's.

He's also doing the line about sustainability: "Sure, Tebow's winning now. But it's not sustainable."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/nfl/2011/11/27/112711.perloff_week12_game3.SportsIllustrated/index.html?sct=nfl_bf4_a6

What's funny is that when Tebow took over, people were asking: "Can Tebow take his team to the playoffs?" And the universal answer was "No". Now that the playoffs are a real possibility, the question is: "Can Tebow win a Super Bowl?"

I saw this this morning. He almost seems to be angry about it. Tebow's been a little lucky. He's winning because he's in the AFC West. My favorite part is, "I don't have to admit anything. There's nothing really magical about what he's done."

What a weird dynamic Tebow creates with people. I don't think I have ever personally witnessed anyone quite so polarizing. Even the people that have been hated recently have usually done something to earn the disdain. Favre, for example, was mostly revered until he started the retirement thing every year, he threw the Packers under the bus, he took pictures of his little Favre, etc.

Tebow, by his mere existence, seems to really piss some people off. It's bizarre.

Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 04:50 PM
We should also keep track of commentators who have regularly been on Tebow's side. At the top of the list is Skip Bayless. He hasn't waivered since the day Tebow was drafted.

Another big name firmly in the Tebow camp is Mike Ditka. Here is Ditka before the draft.

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Ricky Williams (cough)






I keed.

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 04:51 PM
I saw this this morning. He almost seems to be angry about it. Tebow's been a little lucky. He's winning because he's in the AFC West. My favorite part is, "I don't have to admit anything. There's nothing really magical about what he's done."

What a weird dynamic Tebow creates with people. I don't think I have ever personally witnessed anyone quite so polarizing. Even the people that have been hated recently have usually done something to earn the disdain. Favre, for example, was mostly revered until he started the retirement thing every year, he threw the Packers under the bus, he took pictures of his little Favre, etc.

Tebow, by his mere existence, seems to really piss some people off. It's bizarre.

That was also my favorite part. The woman said, "Well, don't you have to admit that [BLAH BLAH BLAH]." And the dude blurts out: "I don't have to admit anything!" Her expression was like: "WTF?" Pretty funny.

It's really funny when the so-called "experts" are proven wrong. Instead of admitting that they made a bad call, they double-down and dig the hole even deeper.

Gort
11-28-2011, 04:54 PM
I saw this this morning. He almost seems to be angry about it. Tebow's been a little lucky. He's winning because he's in the AFC West. My favorite part is, "I don't have to admit anything. There's nothing really magical about what he's done."

What a weird dynamic Tebow creates with people. I don't think I have ever personally witnessed anyone quite so polarizing. Even the people that have been hated recently have usually done something to earn the disdain. Favre, for example, was mostly revered until he started the retirement thing every year, he threw the Packers under the bus, he took pictures of his little Favre, etc.

Tebow, by his mere existence, seems to really piss some people off. It's bizarre.

it's not Tebow doing it IMHO. he's the nexus, but not the cause...

1) there are those that just don't like evangelical Christianity. lots of haters are in this group, though they jump through hoops not to admit that's the root of it for them.
2) there are those who don't like "new fans" jumping on the bandwagon. these are superfans who think one has to suffer for decades to earn the right to root for a team.
3) there are those who don't like that he's being successful in contradistinction to everything they've ever believed about what makes an NFL QB.
4) there are those who are jealous of the attention he gets. guys like this are usually clamoring to be in the limelight and don't like it when others get media attention instead of them.
5) there are those who don't like the media circus and blame it on Tebow.

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 05:02 PM
it's not Tebow doing it IMHO. he's the nexus, but not the cause...

1) there are those that just don't like evangelical Christianity. lots of haters are in this group, though they jump through hoops not to admit that's the root of it for them.
2) there are those who don't like "new fans" jumping on the bandwagon. these are superfans who think one has to suffer for decades to earn the right to root for a team.
3) there are those who don't like that he's being successful in contradistinction to everything they've ever believed about what makes an NFL QB.
4) there are those who are jealous of the attention he gets. guys like this are usually clamoring to be in the limelight and don't like it when others get media attention instead of them.
5) there are those who don't like the media circus and blame it on Tebow.

Great summary.

There's also another group (Rich Eisen is part of it) that just doesn't believe Tebow is for real. After Tebow talked about his charitable work, building hospitals, and how football was the #3 priority in his life, Eisen kept asking the crew: "Is this guy for real? Don't you just want to say: 'I don't believe any of this!' ?"

Jay3
11-28-2011, 05:06 PM
Great summary.

There's also another group (Rich Eisen is part of it) that just doesn't believe Tebow is for real. After Tebow talked about his charitable work, building hospitals, and how football was the #3 priority in his life, Eisen kept asking the crew: "Is this guy for real? Don't you just want to say: 'I don't believe any of this!' ?"

But Eisen says it in a good natured way. He likes Tebow. He's enjoying the ride.

Blueflame
11-28-2011, 05:08 PM
it's not Tebow doing it IMHO. he's the nexus, but not the cause...

1) there are those that just don't like evangelical Christianity. lots of haters are in this group, though they jump through hoops not to admit that's the root of it for them.
2) there are those who don't like "new fans" saying they have jumped on the bandwagon and then proceeding to trash any Broncos icon, particularly the QB who's the primary reason why our trophy case isn't as empty as the Chargers'.
3) there are those who don't like that he's being successful in contradistinction to everything they've ever believed about what makes an NFL QB.
4) there are those who are jealous of the attention he gets. guys like this are usually clamoring to be in the limelight and don't like it when others get media attention instead of them.
5) there are those who don't like the media circus and blame it on Tebow.

Fixed it for you.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 05:11 PM
Carefully navigate the minefield laid down by the trolling moderator, gentlemen.

Gort
11-28-2011, 05:13 PM
Carefully navigate the minefield laid down by the trolling moderator, gentlemen.

http://deetate04.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/minefield.jpg

Armchair Bronco
11-28-2011, 05:17 PM
But Eisen says it in a good natured way. He likes Tebow. He's enjoying the ride.

You're right. Eisen is, overall, a pretty good guy, although for some reason I get the feeling he's more comfortable interviewing convicted felons and drug users than celibate evangelicals.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 05:28 PM
it's not Tebow doing it IMHO. he's the nexus, but not the cause...

1) there are those that just don't like evangelical Christianity. lots of haters are in this group, though they jump through hoops not to admit that's the root of it for them.
2) there are those who don't like "new fans" jumping on the bandwagon. these are superfans who think one has to suffer for decades to earn the right to root for a team.
3) there are those who don't like that he's being successful in contradistinction to everything they've ever believed about what makes an NFL QB.
4) there are those who are jealous of the attention he gets. guys like this are usually clamoring to be in the limelight and don't like it when others get media attention instead of them.
5) there are those who don't like the media circus and blame it on Tebow.

There are UF haters out there too. That group includes many of my brethren OU fans and the fans of any school who had a shot to win it but couldnt get past Tebow...especially SEC rivals.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 05:31 PM
There are UF haters out there too. That group includes many of my brethren OU fans and the fans of any school who had a shot to win it but couldnt get past Tebow...especially SEC rivals.

Hey man, I watched my Hogs get robbed against Florida... to the point where the officials were suspended afterwards.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 05:33 PM
Great summary.

There's also another group (Rich Eisen is part of it) that just doesn't believe Tebow is for real. After Tebow talked about his charitable work, building hospitals, and how football was the #3 priority in his life, Eisen kept asking the crew: "Is this guy for real? Don't you just want to say: 'I don't believe any of this!' ?"

I have had the blessing of being around many people who believe what Tebow believes and live it daily. They exist. Everyone makes mistakes, but those who believe and live it out are truly special people. Easily the best people I have ever known have been missionaries. They're not great people because of their own accomplishments, but because they choose to live in reliance on their God, and their God is a God of love and forgiveness.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 05:37 PM
Hey man, I watched my Hogs get robbed against Florida... to the point where the officials were suspended afterwards.

That hulking QB beat my schools' GOAT QB straight up in the national championship game. Granted Bradford's receivers couldn't catch for some reason in that game, but Tebow out-clutched us in the fourth quarter. It was hard for a lot of OU fans to stomach.

OrangeSe7en
11-28-2011, 05:42 PM
I get a kick out of how formulaic local radio is. Recently I've been reminded of the pain-by-numbers vultures that occupy the airwaves in Denver. Sure there are some that are good (I think Vic and Gary are fair for the most part), but then you also practically everyone else, who, not coincidentally, are also hacks...guys like Kreckman (eg), etc .

Basically the formula consists of, "if we troll the locals, we'll generate more controversy and get more callers".

And its for a reason as basic as that, that you see all the local hack radio personalities leaching off Tebow by trying to destroy him on radio.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 05:42 PM
That hulking QB beat my schools' GOAT QB straight up in the national championship game. Granted Bradford's receivers couldn't catch for some reason in that game, but Tebow out-clutched us in the fourth quarter. It was hard for a lot of OU fans to stomach.

We had them beat. Straight up given to Florida by the most blatantly obvious robbery I've ever seen. Fuggin Tebow.

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Rohirrim
11-28-2011, 05:46 PM
We had them beat. Straight up given to Florida by the most blatantly obvious robbery I've ever seen. Fuggin Tebow.

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Wow! That was some cheap ****.

OrangeSe7en
11-28-2011, 05:47 PM
We had them beat. Straight up given to Florida by the most blatantly obvious robbery I've ever seen. Fuggin Tebow.

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There should have been a pass interference against Arkansas on the very first play.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 05:47 PM
Wow! That was some cheap ****.

There were plenty more. No way in hell was Arkansas keeping Tebow out of the SEC championship and national title picture. That crew was suspended afterwards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4583642

Kid A
11-28-2011, 05:52 PM
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Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 05:54 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2011, 05:55 PM
We had them beat. Straight up given to Florida by the most blatantly obvious robbery I've ever seen. Fuggin Tebow.

Yeah, the SEC has some sketchy officiating. Arkansas are invited to the dance, but barring a perfect storm that wipes out the other candidates, they'll never win prom king.

Check this out...I still cant stand Oregon after the PAC 10 zebras flat robbed OU of this game:

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broncobum6162
11-28-2011, 06:03 PM
Now........Back to the main subject to this thread. Interesting read from MHR

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/11/28/2591962/the-silence-is-deafening-and-other-observations#storyjump

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2011, 06:16 PM
Now........Back to the main subject to this thread. Interesting read from MHR

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/11/28/2591962/the-silence-is-deafening-and-other-observations#storyjump

Good read, thanks.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-28-2011, 07:38 PM
i wouldn't call them haters more like F**King irritating dumb arses i got no words to describe those squawking heads they aint haters. more like something akin to stupid but worst but words escape me. he isn't a perfect passer but he is getting better, now you squawking heads please stfu and start doing constructive criticism like
Tebow and company or whoever calling plays need to call better plays on 3rd down
Tebow needs to set his feet better look for more receivers <-- those are legit criticisms nothing wrong with that but when you say he is a lousy qb and sucks thats not criticism -in other words i F**kin hate those idiots

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-28-2011, 07:38 PM
so anyone else get the urge to smack those idiots in the head.

HAT
11-28-2011, 10:13 PM
Now........Back to the main subject to this thread. Interesting read from MHR

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/11/28/2591962/the-silence-is-deafening-and-other-observations#storyjump

There's no such thing as an interesting read from MHR.

Just sayin'

canadianbroncosfan
11-28-2011, 10:32 PM
Maybe I missed it but how have Dame Dameshek and Jim Rome avoided this list?

ZONA
11-29-2011, 02:03 AM
Both of these guys are pretty big Tebow haters but Boomer goes overboard with it. When they talk about Tebow on the show, you can just see a look of disgust in his face. Hey Boomer, you were a pretty good QB I'll give you that. But you've won exactly the same amount of Superbowls Tebow has and he's probably already tied with you in 4th Qtr come from behinds.


http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/6e/6e602364e27897ea2428f3fc9b44c8a1/cbs_pregame_poll_asks_which_qb_is_elitist_they_mea nt_elite.jpg

barryr
11-29-2011, 04:35 AM
Both of these guys are pretty big Tebow haters but Boomer goes overboard with it. When they talk about Tebow on the show, you can just see a look of disgust in his face. Hey Boomer, you were a pretty good QB I'll give you that. But you've won exactly the same amount of Superbowls Tebow has and he's probably already tied with you in 4th Qtr come from behinds.


http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/6e/6e602364e27897ea2428f3fc9b44c8a1/cbs_pregame_poll_asks_which_qb_is_elitist_they_mea nt_elite.jpg

Esiason was a statue of a QB when he played, so he just likes QB's who just stay in the pocket like he did, which was all he could do. Any rush in his face and he was toast. Same with Marino, though he was better at avoiding a rush to get rid of the ball. But neither guy spent much time in Super Bowls, much less winning them.

Blueflame
11-29-2011, 04:40 AM
Marino had a quick release on the ball though... rather a contrast to Tebow's "elongated" throwing motion.

Old Dude
11-29-2011, 05:09 AM
Why do we care about any of this? The scoreboard isn't determined by popular vote or by the vote of "experts." Expert analysis is mostly just chatter.

cmhargrove
11-29-2011, 06:22 AM
Why do we care about any of this? The scoreboard isn't determined by popular vote or by the vote of "experts." Expert analysis is mostly just chatter.

It is an interesting part of our team's history (and NFL history), and its worth chronicling the opinions (and facts) that are being presented and tested in the arena of play. We don't necessarily need to dwell on it, but it is very interesting to watch this whole thing unfold.

Have you ever seen any player in the history of the NFL that was criticized as much (for not being able to play his position), yet helping to change the culture of his team like this? I just can't remember another situation like this ever, and it is interesting to follow.

joe9999
11-29-2011, 06:56 AM
Have we stomped out the few people left on earth that don't approve of Tebow yet?
I'll feel so much safer when that finally happens. I can't stand only having 99.9999999% of the globe agree with me.

Why do you need to piss all over every thread? Go crawl back up McDaniel's crack.

Mile High Mojoe
11-29-2011, 07:58 AM
it's not Tebow doing it IMHO. he's the nexus, but not the cause...

1) there are those that just don't like evangelical Christianity. lots of haters are in this group, though they jump through hoops not to admit that's the root of it for them.
2) there are those who don't like "new fans" jumping on the bandwagon. these are superfans who think one has to suffer for decades to earn the right to root for a team.
3) there are those who don't like that he's being successful in contradistinction to everything they've ever believed about what makes an NFL QB.
4) there are those who are jealous of the attention he gets. guys like this are usually clamoring to be in the limelight and don't like it when others get media attention instead of them.
5) there are those who don't like the media circus and blame it on Tebow.

This...

Mile High Mojoe
11-29-2011, 08:01 AM
Why do you need to piss all over every thread? Go crawl back up McDaniel's crack.

His support for Tebow has been lukewarm. He's been on and off the Tebow bangwagon, as soon as the Broncos lose look for him to jump off again. He's preparing next years draft list for the Broncos and I'd bet a QB is at the top.

vonqkilla
11-29-2011, 08:33 AM
Mike Lombardi says that Elway should draft a qb and stay the course with tebow... Such a pus, he didnt say anything definitive for 2012, but all of a sudden even lombardis dumb raider ass is on board. Until...

Drunk Monkey
11-29-2011, 09:15 AM
it's not Tebow doing it IMHO. he's the nexus, but not the cause...

1) there are those that just don't like evangelical Christianity. lots of haters are in this group, though they jump through hoops not to admit that's the root of it for them.
2) there are those who don't like "new fans" jumping on the bandwagon. these are superfans who think one has to suffer for decades to earn the right to root for a team.
3) there are those who don't like that he's being successful in contradistinction to everything they've ever believed about what makes an NFL QB.
4) there are those who are jealous of the attention he gets. guys like this are usually clamoring to be in the limelight and don't like it when others get media attention instead of them.
5) there are those who don't like the media circus and blame it on Tebow.

I am a little bit #2 due to the new "fans" putting Tebow above the team. Their hypersensitivity to all things Tebow detracts from the greater Bronco good. Also a little #5, it gets old after a while. It is not Tebow's fault but he is the reason non the less. I still hope he continues to improve and enables us to go D with our 1st next year.

mwill07
11-29-2011, 04:54 PM
You know what? I love the haters hatin. I love everyone talkin smack, and then us pulling out the win. I love non-conventional stuff working, and proving the defenders of the status-quo wrong. I love seeing guys like Hodge blowing gaskets, defending a stance, come hell or high water.

Truely, these are magical times.

bowtown
11-29-2011, 05:18 PM
I am a little bit #2 due to the new "fans" putting Tebow above the team. Their hypersensitivity to all things Tebow detracts from the greater Bronco good. Also a little #5, it gets old after a while. It is not Tebow's fault but he is the reason non the less. I still hope he continues to improve and enables us to go D with our 1st next year.

Agreed. It has nothing to do with feeling that new fans need to earn their stripes. I'm always happy to have new Denver fans. My problem is with new fans that are only interested in one aspect of the team and if Tebow was traded tomorrow, would all go become fans of a different team. Football is a team sport, and team is maybe more important in football than any other sport. If you want to root for a single player you should go watch tennis, golf, or baseball every 4th game.

TheReverend
11-29-2011, 06:59 PM
Agreed. It has nothing to do with feeling that new fans need to earn their stripes. I'm always happy to have new Denver fans. My problem is with new fans that are only interested in one aspect of the team and if Tebow was traded tomorrow, would all go become fans of a different team. Football is a team sport, and team is maybe more important in football than any other sport. If you want to root for a single player you should go watch tennis, golf, or baseball every 4th game.

It's good for the league and even better for the Broncos.

barryr
11-29-2011, 07:01 PM
It's good for the league and even better for the Broncos.

True, wasn't that long ago, the Broncos were not of much interest around the NFL, but now look the impact of one player can make.

bowtown
11-29-2011, 07:07 PM
It's good for the league and even better for the Broncos.

Doesn't make them any less insufferable.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 08:59 PM
True, wasn't that long ago, the Broncos were not of much interest around the NFL, but now look the impact of one player can make.

The Broncos are the story of the NFL in a year where another QB is having a historic season. Why? Tim Tebow.

After the media slight that Denver gets every season, I'll take this and be happy with it.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2011, 09:00 PM
Doesn't make them any less insufferable.

The haters are even more insufferable because they are pulling for the team to fail.

They may as well abandon ship now, because its only going to get worse.

Armchair Bronco
11-29-2011, 11:43 PM
Brian "Asshat I Cut Trent Dilfer" Billick said tonight on the NFL Channel that teams would start figuring out the read-option offense real soon now because "each week they'll have more tape."

Apparently, he forgot that San Diego had tape from two prior games heading into last week, and that didn't help them.

Teams can watch all the tape they want, but it won't help defenders who are fooled time and time and time again by the option read. I watched the SD game on NFL Rewind again today, and it was hilarious to see the defensive ends routinely tricked by Tebow. Watching film for a day or two can't change reaction times and habits developed over years.

Agamemnon
11-29-2011, 11:58 PM
Brian "Asshat I Cut Trent Dilfer" Billick said tonight on the NFL Channel that teams would start figuring out the read-option offense real soon now because "each week they'll have more tape."

Apparently, he forgot that San Diego had tape from two prior games heading into last week, and that didn't help them.

Teams can watch all the tape they want, but it won't help defenders who are fooled time and time and time again by the option read. I watched the SD game on NFL Rewind again today, and it was hilarious to see the defensive ends routinely tricked by Tebow. Watching film for a day or two can't change reaction times and habits developed over years.

These analysts kill me. There is no way to "figure out" a well run read option anymore than there is to "figure out" a well run west coast passing attack. By it's very nature it does two things that simply can't be "figured out". It forces the defense to play reactively rather than proactively, and it forces the defense to account for a player that is ignored in a traditional run game (the QB), effectively increasing the number of offensive players by one. There is no figuring it. There is nothing to be done but maintain your gaps, spy the QB, and tackle well. That's it.

These NFL traditionalists are cracking me up. The only reason the read option has never been used in the NFL is because traditional pocket passing QBs, the only type traditionally wanted in the NFL, can't run it, and would get killed if they tried. Period. And when the spread option makes its debut (hopefully with us), let the hilarity really begin...

bowtown
11-30-2011, 05:34 AM
The haters are even more insufferable because they are pulling for the team to fail.

They may as well abandon ship now, because its only going to get worse.

More dilusions of persecution by llama. Please point out to me which true Broncos fans are unhappy with our record and want them to lose.

jhns
11-30-2011, 06:33 AM
You know what? I love the haters hatin. I love everyone talkin smack, and then us pulling out the win. I love non-conventional stuff working, and proving the defenders of the status-quo wrong. I love seeing guys like Hodge blowing gaskets, defending a stance, come hell or high water.

Truely, these are magical times.

I love it as well. Also, while there are haters, there are also a ton that love Tebow. Both of these mean a ton more media attention for the entire team. I have never seen the Broncos on the front page of every sports site this often.

jhns
11-30-2011, 06:35 AM
More dilusions of persecution by llama. Please point out to me which true Broncos fans are unhappy with our record and want them to lose.

Nice try on that trick question. You can't be a fan and want the team to lose.

Now, if you are talking about posters that claim to be fans, there are guys like turd and peacepipe that have been hoping we lose for a while now.

Gort
12-04-2011, 09:45 AM
Terry Bradshaw.

had some insulting and dismissive comments about Tebow on the pregame show today. curiously, Jimmy Johnson was a bit more complimentary in his "piece" on Tebow, but Bradshaw and Howie "Dickface" Long both oozed contempt for Tebow.

in contrast, Marino (on the other show) said he was now a Tebow believer and also Nate "Always Injured" Jackson is another believer, as he was interviewed on Countdown to Kickoff.

BTW, Terry Bradshaw couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the T.

Armchair Bronco
12-04-2011, 09:48 AM
Terry Bradshaw.

had some insulting and dismissive comments about Tebow on the pregame show today. curiously, Jimmy Johnson was a bit more complimentary in his "piece" on Tebow, but Bradshaw and Howie "Dickface" Long both oozed contempt for Tebow.

in contrast, Marino (on the other show) said he was now a Tebow believer and also Nate "Always Injured" Jackson is another believer, as he was interviewed on Countdown to Kickoff.

BTW, Terry Bradshaw couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the T.

What a bunch of buffoons. Can't wait for Tebow to make them back down and be publicly shamed. But even if Tebow wins the SB, they'll say he was a one hit wonder and could never repeat.

:facepalm:

Dagmar
12-04-2011, 09:51 AM
The Fox guys all picked the Vikings except Terry B. Terry B is the lead dog in their picks over the year though.

DrFate
12-04-2011, 09:53 AM
The Fox guys all picked the Vikings except Terry B. Terry B is the lead dog in their picks over the year though.

Long actually picked 'Carolina' in the DEN/MIN game.

Dagmar
12-04-2011, 09:54 AM
Long actually picked 'Carolina' in the DEN/MIN game.

Not as bad as Mortenson calling us the "Tebows" again this morning.

Cito Pelon
12-04-2011, 10:01 AM
Yeesh, Tom Jackson said he doesn't believe Tebow is the Bronco QBOTF.