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pricejj
10-21-2011, 11:44 AM
How good are Luck, Barkley, Jones?

Last year of college statistics for top performing QB prospects since 2004:
*1. Andrew Luck.........2012 - #1 - 70%, 36 td, 6 int (estimated)
2. Ben Roethlisberger..2004 - #11 - 69.1%, 37 td, 10 int
3. Eli Manning............2004 - #1 - 62.4%, 29 td, 10 int
4. Phillip Rivers..........2004 - #4 - 72%, 34 td, 7 int
5. Jay Cutler..............2006 - #11 - 59.1%, 21 td, 9 int
6. Mark Sanchez.........2009 - #5 - 65.8%, 31 td, 10 int
7. Matt Ryan..............2008 - #3 - 59.3%, 31 td, 19 int
8. Matt Stafford..........2009 - #1 - 61.4%, 25 td, 10 int
9. Joe Flacco..............2008 - #19 - 63.5%, 23 td, 5 int
10. Newton................2011 - #1 - 66.1% - 30td, 7 int
11. Bradford...............2010 - #1 - 67.9% 50 td, 8 int

*Matt Barkley - 2012 - 65%, 32 td, 8 int (estimated)
*Landry Jones - 2012 - 65%, 32td, 12 int (estimated)



Will Barkley and/or Jones bust?

Alex Smith - 2005 - #1 - 67.5%, 32 td, 4 int
Matt Leinart - 2006 - #10 - 65.7%, 28 td, 8 int
*not listed (Jamarcus Russell - 2007 - #1, Vince Young - 2006 - #3)


Looks like Matt Barkley and Landry Jones are better prospects than Mark Sanchez, but will they be more like Matt Leinart?

DrFate
10-21-2011, 11:47 AM
I watched with great interest when OU played FSU. I wasn't impressed at all with Jones. I see a tall guy with a long release putting up huge numbers in a pass-a-ton system.

He reminded me of Byron Leftwich

(one man's opinion)

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 11:52 AM
Phil Simms said Barkley shouldn't even come out. Landry looks like Bradford to me, sits in shotgun, fires vs spread out zones like a pg on a fast break. I like RG3 better.

DomCasual
10-21-2011, 11:55 AM
Who is this Luck kid? I haven't heard much about him. Is he new on the scene?

gyldenlove
10-21-2011, 11:58 AM
Phil Simms said Barkley shouldn't even come out. Landry looks like Bradford to me, sits in shotgun, fires vs spread out zones like a pg on a fast break. I like RG3 better.

I agree on Barkley, I think if he comes out he is a guy who will have a lot of questions raised and unless he can absolutely blow people away with workouts he could be dropping in the draft like Aaron Rodgers or Jimmy Clausen or Brady Quinn did.

Landry is difficult because he plays with a super strong supporting cast, his recievers are both guys who should be 1st or high 2nd round picks, he has a great offensive line and a really good defense to back him up. He does not look as pro ready as Bradford did and his numbers are not as gaudy, but he has a good throw and really it is going to come down to his ability to settle into a pro offense which is impossible to determine prior to the draft.

There is a lot of love in some circles for Griffin from Baylor and Tannehill from Texas A&M, both of whom could get into the 1st round of the draft especially if neither Landry or Barkley declares.

pricejj
10-21-2011, 12:04 PM
Phil Simms said Barkley shouldn't even come out. Landry looks like Bradford to me, sits in shotgun, fires vs spread out zones like a pg on a fast break. I like RG3 better.

I like RG3 too. His stats are freaking sick this year, but he isn't getting a lot of love from national draft guys yet...

To me, he may be the 2nd best prospect (super accurate), but he lost to Ryan Tannehill (Texas A&M) last weekend, while having a career day (in college station). I am definitely going to observe him down the stretch in big games. If he performs well, he will shoot up the draft boards.

bendog
10-21-2011, 12:05 PM
I like RG3 from the one game I saw, but I'd really have to see him do the combine before I'd marry him. He seems like a smart kid. Got an arm on him. The only negative was that it seemed to me he went down pretty easy. But, I don't think you can really tell much by watching on tv ... unless it's two guys like Eli and the Frown Cannon who have been vetted by SEC defenses and who are gunslinging it head to head. Frown Cannon was a clear winner, imo. Though Eli can obviously win a superbowl.

pricejj
10-21-2011, 12:07 PM
What differentiates Barkley from Sanchez? I remember there was a lot of talk about Sanchez accuracy...which he still needs improvement on. But he has gotten to 2 AFCCG.

If Barkley is as good, or better than Sanchez...then why does Phil Simms think he should stay in school?

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 12:11 PM
Ryan Broyles, like throwing to a jerry rice, not as tall, but prolific wr at OU. Jones is good, but Broyles just abuses cbs and safeties.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 12:14 PM
What USC qb would you want all time?

Carson Palmer easily the best, all the rest, busts. Sanchez...lol

pricejj
10-21-2011, 12:24 PM
What USC qb would you want all time?

Carson Palmer easily the best, all the rest, busts. Sanchez...lol

...true Sanchez is looking like a career 55% accuracy guy...won't last very long with those stats. How the heck did he get to the AFC Championship twice? I pretty much only watch Broncos.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 12:31 PM
...true Sanchez is looking like a career 55% accuracy guy...won't last very long with those stats. How the heck did he get to the AFC Championship twice? I pretty much only watch Broncos.

Probably a great qb if every game was a playoff game, his deteriorating oline and running game has exposed him.

Doggcow
10-21-2011, 12:42 PM
NEEDS MORE LOVE FOR THIS GUY
http://accmania.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/russell-wilson.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
10-21-2011, 12:51 PM
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Agamemnon
10-21-2011, 12:51 PM
How good are Luck, Barkley, Jones?

Last year of college statistics for top performing QB prospects since 2004:
*1. Andrew Luck.........2012 - #1 - 70%, 36 td, 6 int (estimated)
2. Ben Roethlisberger..2004 - #11 - 69.1%, 37 td, 10 int
3. Eli Manning............2004 - #1 - 62.4%, 29 td, 10 int
4. Phillip Rivers..........2004 - #4 - 72%, 34 td, 7 int
5. Jay Cutler..............2006 - #11 - 59.1%, 21 td, 9 int
6. Mark Sanchez.........2009 - #5 - 65.8%, 31 td, 10 int
7. Matt Ryan..............2008 - #3 - 59.3%, 31 td, 19 int
8. Matt Stafford..........2009 - #1 - 61.4%, 25 td, 10 int
9. Joe Flacco..............2008 - #19 - 63.5%, 23 td, 5 int
10. Newton................2011 - #1 - 66.1% - 30td, 7 int
11. Bradford...............2010 - #1 - 67.9% 50 td, 8 int

*Matt Barkley - 2012 - 65%, 32 td, 8 int (estimated)
*Landry Jones - 2012 - 65%, 32td, 12 int (estimated)



Will Barkley and/or Jones bust?

Alex Smith - 2005 - #1 - 67.5%, 32 td, 4 int
Matt Leinart - 2006 - #10 - 65.7%, 28 td, 8 int
*not listed (Jamarcus Russell - 2007 - #1, Vince Young - 2006 - #3)


Looks like Matt Barkley and Landry Jones are better prospects than Mark Sanchez, but will they be more like Matt Leinart?

Tebow's passing stats are more efficient than most of these guys (without even factoring in his ridiculous run numbers). This is some pretty weak "analysis". College stats are not a particularly good indicator of how well someone will do in the NFL.

pricejj
10-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Tebow's passing stats are more efficient than most of these guys (without even factoring in his ridiculous run numbers). This is some pretty weak "analysis". College stats are not a particularly good indicator of how well someone will do in the NFL.

I'm not "analyzing" anything. I am posing a question, to see what you guys think. I am having trouble getting a handle on Barkley and Jones...I didn't include Tebow, Gabbert, Ponder, or Dalton...because they haven't shown enough yet. I threw in Newton, because he is a #1 pick who looks like he will be good.

This isn't a Tebow thread. Looking at Barkley and Jones stats it's really hard to tell if they will be starters or busts. They compare favorably to everyone who has came out the past 9 years.

They could be considered better "prospects" than any QB drafted in the past 5 years except Bradford.

Drunk Monkey
10-21-2011, 01:09 PM
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Drunk Monkey
10-21-2011, 01:16 PM
I like RG3 from the one game I saw, but I'd really have to see him do the combine before I'd marry him. He seems like a smart kid. Got an arm on him. The only negative was that it seemed to me he went down pretty easy. But, I don't think you can really tell much by watching on tv ... unless it's two guys like Eli and the Frown Cannon who have been vetted by SEC defenses and who are gunslinging it head to head. Frown Cannon was a clear winner, imo. Though Eli can obviously win a superbowl.

I watched him play a few times and I think the kid has something. It 's also encouraging that he appears to have his head on straight. He was the valedictorian of his class in HS and finished a double major in 3 years. I hope it is a moot point due to the awesomeness of the Tebow but we will see.

yerner
10-21-2011, 01:22 PM
I'm the same way on Barkley and Jones. If there is no way to grab Luck, I'd rather wait till the 2nd and grab someone like Nick Foles or RG3. I'm pretty sure the Broncos will be drafting a QB regardless of Tebow's performance.

Pick Six
10-21-2011, 01:30 PM
Who is this Luck kid? I haven't heard much about him. Is he new on the scene?

Certain fans of certain teams want their franchises to start sucking for him. I think that makes him gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that...

bendog
10-21-2011, 01:32 PM
If Tebow grabs the job, I'm not sure Den does draft a qb. If they pick 8, that gives them 3 in the top 72 and the 114pick. My guess is that there will be vet FA's out there in Henne's level of skill, and rookie isn't gonna play much better. I also think RG3 will go early early in the second if he doesn't sneak into the first.

TheChamp24
10-21-2011, 01:39 PM
I watched with great interest when OU played FSU. I wasn't impressed at all with Jones. I see a tall guy with a long release putting up huge numbers in a pass-a-ton system.

He reminded me of Byron Leftwich

(one man's opinion)

I don't understand the hate on Landry. He's a better prospect than Gabert, Locker, Ponder by a long shot IMO. He's got a good arm and is very accurate still. He puts the ball on target.
In that FSU game, he also led a game winning drive when OU had zero momentum.
People were ripping apart Bradford too when he was a prospect.

What differentiates Barkley from Sanchez? I remember there was a lot of talk about Sanchez accuracy...which he still needs improvement on. But he has gotten to 2 AFCCG.

If Barkley is as good, or better than Sanchez...then why does Phil Simms think he should stay in school?

Sanchez has a stronger arm, but less accuracy. Barkley is more accurate. From what I'm told.

Honestly, I think both Landry and Barkley would benefit from another year, however money talks.

Also, Griffin will be a 1st round pick. Probably same area as Freeman.
Tannehil I don't understand the love for him and the hate for Landry.

broncocalijohn
10-21-2011, 01:47 PM
As a SC fan, I think Barkley should stick around and I believe SC gets some sanctions waived next year so bowl eligible? Barkley has not been very impressive in the 4th quarter so if you are pissed off at Orton, you might be just as mad with him. Barkley is improving IMO but another year at SC will put him near the top among QBs. Havent seen Landry enough for an opinion and I have seen enough of Luck on the West Coast to know he is the real deal.

bendog
10-21-2011, 01:53 PM
yeah, I saw Barkley last weekend. He's not ready yet, but he's got promise.

NFLBRONCO
10-21-2011, 02:09 PM
I saw Jones he did not seem to be able to throw on the move very well

Turd_Ferguson
10-21-2011, 02:11 PM
Its kinda hard to say on any college quarterback until the NFL teams start working them out and they go through the combine. The guy from Hawaii a couple years ago... Colt Brennan I think? During the year everyone said 1st rounder, then he went to the combine and worked out for teams and he dropped like a rock. Now I have trouble remembering his name. Luck has the fact that Jim Harbaugh seems to think he is NFL ready I would take his endorsement over that of bob stoops any day.

gyldenlove
10-21-2011, 08:52 PM
Its kinda hard to say on any college quarterback until the NFL teams start working them out and they go through the combine. The guy from Hawaii a couple years ago... Colt Brennan I think? During the year everyone said 1st rounder, then he went to the combine and worked out for teams and he dropped like a rock. Now I have trouble remembering his name. Luck has the fact that Jim Harbaugh seems to think he is NFL ready I would take his endorsement over that of bob stoops any day.

Nah, it was known before the draft prep that his numbers were badly inflated, his arm strength was questionable and he wasn't comfortable under center.

If you really want a couple of QB prospects who were badly overrated during their college career you have to look at Andre Woodson and Dan Lefevour - both were considered early round picks during their college career and some even mentioned Woodson as a serious competitor to guys like Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm.

gyldenlove
10-21-2011, 08:53 PM
As a SC fan, I think Barkley should stick around and I believe SC gets some sanctions waived next year so bowl eligible? Barkley has not been very impressive in the 4th quarter so if you are pissed off at Orton, you might be just as mad with him. Barkley is improving IMO but another year at SC will put him near the top among QBs. Havent seen Landry enough for an opinion and I have seen enough of Luck on the West Coast to know he is the real deal.

I agree - the risk for Barkley is that some team may draft him high this year on promise alone, if he goes back and fails to improve his game he could drop because people will start to question his ability to improve when he gets in the pros.

Chris
10-21-2011, 08:57 PM
Nah, it was known before the draft prep that his numbers were badly inflated, his arm strength was questionable and he wasn't comfortable under center.

If you really want a couple of QB prospects who were badly overrated during their college career you have to look at Andre Woodson and Dan Lefevour - both were considered early round picks during their college career and some even mentioned Woodson as a serious competitor to guys like Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm.

You're saying this in relation to their actual draft position not their value as pros right? Because I see Brian Brohm in there..

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 09:02 PM
Phil Simms said Barkley shouldn't even come out. Landry looks like Bradford to me, sits in shotgun, fires vs spread out zones like a pg on a fast break. I like RG3 better.

I'm a big OU fan, and Jones just doesn't look like a premeir pro prospect to me. Not even close to Bradford. Could be a Troy Aikman type in a good offense with other stars.

I wouldnt waste my time with Barkley.

Robert Griffin will be a first round pick, and he's essentially the same type of project that Tebow is, so I don't see him being in the Broncos' plans.

Tombstone RJ
10-21-2011, 09:03 PM
http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/robert-griffin.jpg

yep, he's a real interesting prospect. real interesting...