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Quoydogs
10-21-2011, 11:30 AM
Listening to all this talk about Tebow and how the Tebow era starts this week. I just wondering why it did not start in the last three games last year? They just pretend like they don't exist. I mean they would break down plays from the last 3 games last year but all I have seen is the last half of the game from 2 weeks ago. Why is this ?

Pick Six
10-21-2011, 11:36 AM
Listening to all this talk about Tebow and how the Tebow era starts this week. I just wondering why it did not start in the last three games last year? They just pretend like they don't exist. I mean they would break down plays from the last 3 games last year but all I have seen is the last half of the game from 2 weeks ago. Why is this ?

Last year, Tebow started because of an injury to Orton. This year, there is a feeling that Orton is finished in Denver and Tebow Time can officially begin...

Ironlung
10-21-2011, 11:36 AM
Because Tebow didn't look awful like all the talking heads kept predicting. They were proven wrong so they don't like to bring those games up in discussions.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-21-2011, 11:41 AM
They never happened. Haven't you heard?

I keep hearing how the Broncos offense won't move. Nevermind we averaged over 20 points a game last year under Tim. Its been suggested (on this board!) that he'll throw a ton of picks, but he didnt display it last year. It's been suggested by many talking heads that Tim can't throw deep and make all the pro throws. You can find every single throw made in those 3 games.

Youre right...it seems like every opinion on Tim comes from "things we heard about practice" and what you saw against SD

Kid A
10-21-2011, 11:44 AM
Listening to all this talk about Tebow and how the Tebow era starts this week. I just wondering why it did not start in the last three games last year? They just pretend like they don't exist. I mean they would break down plays from the last 3 games last year but all I have seen is the last half of the game from 2 weeks ago. Why is this ?

I was asking the same thing last week. Really weird, considering that's a full 16 quarters of action on film where he knew he was starting vs 2 quarters of him coming off the bench. I've seen a couple references to his 2010 stats here and there on ESPN, but they've hyped this Miami game as though nobody could possibly know what to expect?

If they want to bash him, fine, but you'd think they would try to back their points up with the substantial footage from last year.

DrFate
10-21-2011, 11:48 AM
Never happened...

Was a dream sequence...

Dedhed
10-21-2011, 11:53 AM
Because Tebow didn't look awful like all the talking heads kept predicting. They were proven wrong so they don't like to bring those games up in discussions.

This is pretty much true. The evidence from last year doesn't mesh with the rhetoric from this year, so it's simply brushed under the carpet or completely discounted because t was the end of the year, and teams weren't trying to play defense then.

Quoydogs
10-21-2011, 11:56 AM
Last year, Tebow started because of an injury to Orton. This year, there is a feeling that Orton is finished in Denver and Tebow Time can officially begin...

They said it was this but everyone knows the truth. Orton was sucking it up and got pulled.

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 11:57 AM
They never happened. Haven't you heard?

I keep hearing how the Broncos offense won't move. Nevermind we averaged over 20 points a game last year under Tim. Its been suggested (on this board!) that he'll throw a ton of picks, but he didnt display it last year. It's been suggested by many talking heads that Tim can't throw deep and make all the pro throws. You can find every single throw made in those 3 games.


Shut up. Your wrong. Shut up.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Pics/theDrive2011/merril_hoge.jpg

Rother8
10-21-2011, 12:29 PM
Listening to all this talk about Tebow and how the Tebow era starts this week. I just wondering why it did not start in the last three games last year? They just pretend like they don't exist. I mean they would break down plays from the last 3 games last year but all I have seen is the last half of the game from 2 weeks ago. Why is this ?

In the last 3 games last year, it wasn't official with KO being out.

But I really am pumped for this time. A real gameplan with real coaches and a team that isn't totally eliminated yet.

Should be great.

Dagmar
10-21-2011, 12:46 PM
Shut up. Your wrong. Shut up.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Pics/theDrive2011/merril_hoge.jpg

Can't wait to hear from this smug **** on Monday.

Inkana7
10-21-2011, 12:50 PM
A lot of persecution complexes in this thread.

bendog
10-21-2011, 12:53 PM
It was a twilight zone thing.

Seriously, probably because there was an interim coach in those games, and the current regieme has a different offense in which presumably Tebow will be taking some, perhaps not most, snaps under center and attempting to execute 3, 5 and even 7 step drops.

Why do we have to have a zillion threads on the same freaking issue? Is it because the answer doesn't make tebowities happy?

bloodsunday
10-21-2011, 02:09 PM
I just went back and looked at the stats from the last 3 games last year (just to remind myself) and it looks like Tebow was as effective (or more) than the opponent's QB in 2 of the 3 games with San Diego being the lone exception. It would be ideal if his completion percentage were a bit higher, but his ability to run the ball make other areas of our offense more effective.

My personal opinion having watched him is not so much about his mechanics (as critics like to discuss most often) but just his awareness. He almost seems hyper and dancing with happy-feet. Hopefully as he gains experience the game will slow down a bit. He seem nervous in the pocket, often does not look down field once he starts scrambling, and I'm not sure he gets through more than 1 or reads before he decides to scramble. Once he learns to use his feet as an asset to setup the pass (ala Big Ben), I think he could make some big plays.

Gort
10-21-2011, 03:25 PM
Never happened...

Was a dream sequence...

if Merril Hoge didn't see it, it didn't happen.
if it contradicts Merril Hoge, it didn't happen.
if Merril Hoge says it didn't happen, it didn't happen.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d8bF7KBsmHI/SmbFsBDiygI/AAAAAAAADX8/vOJSaj49940/s400/ESPN_Sucks.jpg

Chris
10-21-2011, 03:30 PM
http://cheesesteakswithbarkley.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/merrill-hoge-flat-top3.jpg

enjolras
10-21-2011, 04:37 PM
I just went back and looked at the stats from the last 3 games last year (just to remind myself) and it looks like Tebow was as effective (or more) than the opponent's QB in 2 of the 3 games with San Diego being the lone exception. It would be ideal if his completion percentage were a bit higher, but his ability to run the ball make other areas of our offense more effective.

Tebow had a really bad game against San Diego. The bulk of the numbers Tebow put up where really late in that game against pretty soft cover-2. He did bring it back to respectable in the end, but there was never a point in that game that you thought the Broncos had any shot of winning. At least I didn't.

My personal opinion having watched him is not so much about his mechanics (as critics like to discuss most often) but just his awareness. He almost seems hyper and dancing with happy-feet. Hopefully as he gains experience the game will slow down a bit. He seem nervous in the pocket, often does not look down field once he starts scrambling, and I'm not sure he gets through more than 1 or reads before he decides to scramble. Once he learns to use his feet as an asset to setup the pass (ala Big Ben), I think he could make some big plays.

There has clearly been a pattern with Tebow that seems confidence related. Early in games he *really* struggles and then as the game wears on he seems to get out of his head and becomes quite a bit more comfortable. Everything improves at that point.

If 4th quarter Tebow can become first quarter Tebow, then I think he has a shot. He's much more fluid, less jumpy, and far more poised later in games. Many of those early possessions (particularly against Houston and San Diego) last year were cringe worthy. If he can solve that.. I think the mechanics will come.

Doggcow
10-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Because Tebow didn't look awful like all the talking heads kept predicting. They were proven wrong so they don't like to bring those games up in discussions.

This.

Archer81
10-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Because Tebow didn't look awful like all the talking heads kept predicting. They were proven wrong so they don't like to bring those games up in discussions.


Unless they decide to say that Tebow is 1-2 as starter...then those games matter. But outside of that it is not important.

:Broncos:

Dagmar
10-21-2011, 05:03 PM
if Merril Hoge didn't see it, it didn't happen.
if it contradicts Merril Hoge, it didn't happen.
if Merril Hoge says it didn't happen, it didn't happen.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d8bF7KBsmHI/SmbFsBDiygI/AAAAAAAADX8/vOJSaj49940/s400/ESPN_Sucks.jpg

http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/19/espn-boba.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 05:42 PM
Can't wait to hear from this smug **** on Monday.

He looked devastated when Tebow was named the starter.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 05:51 PM
I just went back and looked at the stats from the last 3 games last year (just to remind myself) and it looks like Tebow was as effective (or more) than the opponent's QB in 2 of the 3 games with San Diego being the lone exception. It would be ideal if his completion percentage were a bit higher, but his ability to run the ball make other areas of our offense more effective.

My personal opinion having watched him is not so much about his mechanics (as critics like to discuss most often) but just his awareness. He almost seems hyper and dancing with happy-feet. Hopefully as he gains experience the game will slow down a bit. He seem nervous in the pocket, often does not look down field once he starts scrambling, and I'm not sure he gets through more than 1 or reads before he decides to scramble. Once he learns to use his feet as an asset to setup the pass (ala Big Ben), I think he could make some big plays.

I went back and watched those games over this past week.

You're right on about the pocket issues. He is generally given just a couple of reads when he passes from under center. His footwork and pocket awareness are just not there yet. But they have improved already. Tebow needs to work on two things to be succesful in the NFL: his footwork in the pocket from center, and his ability to read and take advantage of defenses.

Tebow absolutely racked up the yards when the Broncos threw the conventional playbook out the window and just went to the shotgun and let Tebow take what was there. Thats why the Broncos would come back in games, because it allowed Tebow to get in rhythm and the Broncos would march down the field over and over again. Tebow in rhythm is a machine. He starts putting zip on the ball and throwing accurately.

I think that the key for the Broncos is not forcing Tebow to throw from center all of the time just yet, but managing that aspect of the offense by sprinkling it in with Tebow bread and butter plays. Tebow runs a fantastic screen from center. He can also run play action very well.

Tebow in rhythm is a force that the opposition has trouble adjusting to.

McDman
10-21-2011, 06:10 PM
They never happened. Haven't you heard?

I keep hearing how the Broncos offense won't move. Nevermind we averaged over 20 points a game last year under Tim. Its been suggested (on this board!) that he'll throw a ton of picks, but he didnt display it last year. It's been suggested by many talking heads that Tim can't throw deep and make all the pro throws. You can find every single throw made in those 3 games.

Youre right...it seems like every opinion on Tim comes from "things we heard about practice" and what you saw against SD

No one has ever said he can't throw deep. In fact, that has been known as one of his strengths by many people.

elsid13
10-21-2011, 06:19 PM
A lot of persecution complexes in this thread.

No ****. Either Tebow will show he belongs in the league or Denver will draft a QB high next season.

Dagmar
10-21-2011, 06:19 PM
No ****. Either Tebow will show he belongs in the league or Denver will draft a QB high next season.

It's gonna be fun!

Jay3
10-21-2011, 06:24 PM
The reason I think they are ignoring last year is that several of the key pundits have been laying a foundation for Tebow to do well, but still suck. It's the "no film on him yet" excuse. If they keep mentioning he has three starts last year, it detracts from the "no film" excuse they intend to use, in case the Broncos win.

WABronco
10-21-2011, 06:26 PM
It's gonna be fun!

Really. So what if half the appeal for me is watching Teebs prove those b****es wrong. I love watching the media trip over themselves and backpedal.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 07:05 PM
Really. So what if half the appeal for me is watching Teebs prove those b****es wrong. I love watching the media trip over themselves and backpedal.

Heck yeah.

I got to see Nowitzki make them eat crow this year. Watching Tebow do the same would be awesome too.

Quoydogs
10-22-2011, 10:49 AM
Really. So what if half the appeal for me is watching Teebs prove those b****es wrong. I love watching the media trip over themselves and backpedal.

They usually just flip and pretend they never said anything wrong. Half of these fools that say he was a flop at the start of the year have flipped already and are full on supporters? I wish someone would come up with tape of these people bagging on Tebow at the first of the year because Orton looked better in practice could be put together with tape of what they have to say about Tebow now just to point out how big of douche bags they are.