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Kaylore
10-21-2011, 08:36 AM
The Dolphins are one of those teams that always give us trouble. It seems no matter how bad they are and how bad we are, they find ways to beat us. I remember going back to my youth they always frustrated me. I thought it was Marino then, but it has continued long after Elway and Marino retired. Our record going east isn't so hot either.

Denver is 4-11-1 against the Dolphins all time. Even in '98 they managed to beat us. The beat us handily in '05, and were the only team to beat us by a margin greater than seven points (that was the game where it was 120 degrees on the field and the field itself had the hardness of concrete.)

So I ask the Mane: Can we win. As terrible as the Dolphins are, we aren't really any better. Statistically they are better than we are. They have played better teams than we have and we will be playing in Miami.

Granted they are 1-11 at home going back to last year. So winning in Miami might not be so bad. They also are starting Moore at QB and are hyping Tebow starting as a way to sell tickets which means there will be several fans in the audience cheering for the Broncos (on offense anyway). We will be getting all our starters back for the game as well and coming off the bye.

Also, it is rumored that the Dolphins front office and certainly their fans, are hoping to have a shot at Andrew Luck. So they may want to mail this one in as a win against us immediately gives them the tie breaker should our records be equal at the end of the year and that means they pick after us. provided neither team wins another game.

Still, no matter how much it makes sense on paper, it seems the Dolphins find ways to beat us and we seem to have trouble showing up with our A game in Miami. Not sure as bad as we are we can pull this off.

Thoughts?

http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/collection/upi/c508b5a182832fca5e94820fcb248428/-A-Denver-Broncos-Cheerleader-Performs-in-Denver_47.jpg

ppablo
10-21-2011, 08:39 AM
We got this!

bronclvr
10-21-2011, 08:39 AM
I wonder if Mike Nolan has a burr under his saddle for Denver-things could get nasty-

Goobzilla
10-21-2011, 08:42 AM
I think the biggest factor in most of our recent problems with Miami are a result of traveling East and playing the early game. I don't know why that has such a big effect on this team but it is a factor. That game in '05 should have been a walk for us but we came out and **** the bed. I think we can win this game and I want us to win this game.

BroncsCheer
10-21-2011, 08:42 AM
I wonder if Mike Nolan has a burr under his saddle for Denver-things could get nasty-

Nolan's beef is with McD.

Broncos 31
Fins 13

Rabb
10-21-2011, 08:45 AM
I wonder if Mike Nolan has a burr under his saddle for Denver-things could get nasty-

so, he will all of the sudden get them to NOT suck?

bendog
10-21-2011, 08:53 AM
They're a wierd team. I look at their roster, and they really do have some talent. I haven't seen any of their games, but Matt Moore? Orton really would have been an upgrade there. Henne wasn't playing that bad, but he's not any better than Orton and probably worse.

If Den can't beat them, it won't be a good sign.

Houshyamama
10-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Who do we have?

An aging Champ. Young, inconsistent Oline. Backup DTs. No clear number one WR. TE??

This team is one giant question mark.

But we got Tebow :~ohyah!:

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 08:57 AM
FYI looking at the injury report, Bush and Marshall had full practices so they will play. Not a good sign for our linebackers or corners.

Also, McGahee wasn't on the injury report and then on Thursday he showed up with limited practice and "back" was listed as the injury. That's not good if he messed up his back in practice. Orange Julius has been limited so even if he plays, his role will be minimal. Same with Demaryius.

Houshyamama
10-21-2011, 08:58 AM
FYI looking at the injury report, Bush and Marshall had full practices so they will play. Not a good sign for our linebackers or corners.

Also, McGahee wasn't on the injury report and then on Thursday he showed up with limited practice and "back" was listed as the injury. That's not good if he messed up his back in practice. Orange Julius has been limited so even if he plays, his role will be minimal. Same with Demaryius.

Watch him go off on us.

bendog
10-21-2011, 09:01 AM
I think three of their front seven would start for Denver. But Fox has the defense playing better than I thought they would.

I just have no idea at all about what Tebow will, or won't, do.

TotallyScrewed
10-21-2011, 09:01 AM
I think that the addition of the image of the cheerleader makes this a winning thread.

Seriously though, all the history and humidity carp is just that...crap. What this game comes down to is how does Tebow play? Does he elevate the entire team or does he make dumb mistakes? This game will not make or break his career and neither do I think that it will vastly change how this team performs down the stretch.

I will be looking for week to week improvement by both Tebow and the team.

El Guapo
10-21-2011, 09:03 AM
If I could have one night with that cheerleader I would be the happiest man on earth. I mean, hot female + Broncos cheerleader? Honestly, I'd probably last just a couple of seconds, but alas I digress...

I firmly believe we will win this game. Personally, I'm really rooting for Tebow - I'd love for him to put the critics in their place. Although, I will say that I am starting to have some shaky feelings about him, but we shall see.

Overall, I just hope its a fun and excitig game. One similar to the end of the SD game where it felt good to be a Broncos fan again.

Go Broncos!

Ok, I'm ready to begin thinking about cheerleader possibilities again.

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 09:07 AM
I think that the addition of the image of the cheerleader makes this a winning thread.

Seriously though, all the history and humidity carp is just that...crap.


:thumbs:

Also, Humidity Carp:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5MG8gNq1u8SKN6NtxxsbgaF1AZ1jX5 tP-Yb5299F3b-MQI4BqNq_xkaENcA

bendog
10-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Forget the humidity. Eat three of these, and you're done for the day.


http://icuban.com/food/images/cuban-sandwich-cuban.jpg

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 09:13 AM
They don't want to lose.

Sparano's job is damn near forfeit at this point and with regime changes comes massive turnover.

If the coaches and players on Miami want to lose, they're even slower than most coaches/players.

DENVERDUI55
10-21-2011, 09:16 AM
I think we should punt on 3rd down and call bunch of running plays that we struggle to do. We want to be right in the front of the Luck race.

OrangeCrush2724
10-21-2011, 09:17 AM
They're a wierd team. I look at their roster, and they really do have some talent. I haven't seen any of their games, but Matt Moore? Orton really would have been an upgrade there. Henne wasn't playing that bad, but he's not any better than Orton and probably worse.

If Den can't beat them, it won't be a good sign.

I disagree with you there. The way Hene was playing this year was better than what Orton could have done.

jhns
10-21-2011, 09:18 AM
They don't want to lose.

Sparano's job is damn near forfeit at this point and with regime changes comes massive turnover.

If the coaches and players on Miami want to lose, they're even slower than most coaches/players.

Exactly. Everyone in this league is always playing/coaching/GMing for their job. No one is throwing games. This theory is just stupid.

OrangeCrush2724
10-21-2011, 09:21 AM
Watch him go off on us.

Bush has been horrible this year, granted he isn't being used right. The one to watch out for is Daniel Thomas. He should be healthy this week and looks like a decent back.

That One Guy
10-21-2011, 09:22 AM
If it helps, weather has been real nice the last couple days. If it keeps up, the heat shouldn't kill this time.

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 09:28 AM
If it helps, weather has been real nice the last couple days. If it keeps up, the heat shouldn't kill this time.

Late October in Miami > Early September in Miami.

Houshyamama
10-21-2011, 09:39 AM
Bush has been horrible this year, granted he isn't being used right. The one to watch out for is Daniel Thomas. He should be healthy this week and looks like a decent back.

I'm just referring to our strange ability to bring out the best in offensive players.

TonyR
10-21-2011, 09:40 AM
FWIW, per Sagarin the Broncos are ranked 23rd with the 4th most difficult schedule, the Dolphins are ranked 26th with the 2nd most difficult schedule. So the teams are fairly even based on this objective, though flawed, measure. Tough call but I think we pull it out because of the "Tebow factor". One thing that troubles me is that Miami isn't an 0-16 bad team so they're going to win some games. This is clearly one of their more winnable contests.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl11.htm

(why are the Jets so high? and look how overrated Washington is/was...)

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 09:43 AM
FWIW, per Sagarin the Broncos are ranked 23rd with the 4th most difficult schedule, the Dolphins are ranked 26th with the 2nd most difficult schedule. So the teams are fairly even based on this objective, though flawed, measure. Tough call but I think we pull it out because of the "Tebow factor". One thing that troubles me is that Miami isn't an 0-16 bad team so they're going to win some games. This is clearly one of their more winnable contests.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl11.htm

(why are the Jets so high? and look how overrated Washington is/was...)

Because 5-6 games in, it means next to nothing.

bronco militia
10-21-2011, 09:47 AM
the broncos are 0-7 lifetime in Miami against the Dolphins

(1-0 against the Falcons ;D)

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 09:49 AM
I'm just referring to our strange ability to bring out the best in offensive players.

We're about to put Moore in the pro bowl lol

RunSilentRunDeep
10-21-2011, 09:49 AM
I think the question is what is going to suck more, the Dolphins red zone offense or the Broncos red zone defense?

DrFate
10-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Denver should win this game. The biggest worry is that Denver normally lays an egg against inferior Dolphin teams (historically)

jsco70
10-21-2011, 09:50 AM
My biggest concern it the Tebow/Gator love fest. This will undoubtedly piss off the Miami Defense considerably. I mean, how do you think Jason Taylor feels about the 20,000 fans showing up to cheer on the opposing QB? They're going to be getting after it on Sunday, more so than at any point this season.

That said, I feel pretty confident Denver can win this game.

BroncoDoug
10-21-2011, 09:53 AM
I just came in for the pics... leave satisfied

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 10:00 AM
I just came in for the pics... leave satisfied

http://i.imgur.com/WYdB7.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/SjN9D.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/Za6kk.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/Yx82h.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/x503H.jpg

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 10:02 AM
the broncos are 0-7 lifetime in Miami against the Dolphins

Yeah that has to be an issue. I know logically things like this shouldn't matter. It's a new team with entirely new and different variables. But for some inexplicable reason in sports history does matter. We lose in KC, especially in the winter. We always beat the Bengals, we usually beat the Patriots and we always lose to the Dolphins. That's just my 31 years of Bronco fandom talking.

strafen
10-21-2011, 10:04 AM
They don't want to lose.

Sparano's job is damn near forfeit at this point and with regime changes comes massive turnover.

If the coaches and players on Miami want to lose, they're even slower than most coaches/players.

They will keep Tony Soprano the rest of the season.
The owner of the Dolphins, according to a radio report (104.3 The Fan) wants them to lose out so they have a shot at Luck.
That said, after I watched how horrible the Dolphins played last Monday Night, I don't doubt they've quit.

We will see...
I like our chances. This is like a homecoming for Tebow. He's used to play in hot humid weather, and I doubt that will be a factor in his game.
Go Broncos!!!

Boobs McGee
10-21-2011, 10:17 AM
blah blah blah broncos blah blah blah dolphins
Thoughts?

http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/collection/upi/c508b5a182832fca5e94820fcb248428/-A-Denver-Broncos-Cheerleader-Performs-in-Denver_47.jpg

what were we talking about? ^5

Boobs McGee
10-21-2011, 10:19 AM
ummmmm, WOW. @ rev, didn't see the second page before posting.

Moar plze.

uplink
10-21-2011, 10:20 AM
I wonder if Mike Nolan has a burr under his saddle for Denver-things could get nasty-

If the broncos win then Nolan is on his way to the gig as an interim coach.

BroncoBen
10-21-2011, 10:33 AM
I wonder if Mike Nolan has a burr under his saddle for Denver-things could get nasty-

I don't think Nolan has much of a beef with the Broncos now that McDaniels is gone. I've heard it mentioned that if the Dolphins loose, this could cause a coaching change in Miami and Mike Nolan is candidate #1. So does maybe Nolan not be so aggressive with his defense, a loss could be a good thing for his career.

We shall see… some of the talking heads are saying that the way to beat the Broncos is to see if Tebow can beat you with the passing game. Others say when Tebow is in the shotgun with a spread formation, blitz and see if the offensive line can pick it up. Or just have a linebacker shadow Tebow so he can’t run out of the backfield so easily.

underrated29
10-21-2011, 10:40 AM
I do not like playing against fast players. Everytime we play a fast player they own us so much.

D. sproles
Run DMC
Reggie Bush with saints (hopefully not dolphins)
Jamal Charles
Javhid best


Bush scares the crap out of me this game, especially with Joe mays back there.




But I still think we win this game. I think the broncos offense soars and roars and scores.... lots of tds. And yes, I normally rhyme when I type.

BroncsCheer
10-21-2011, 10:54 AM
and Rev closes the thread . ..

I'll be in my bunk . .. .

Lolad
10-21-2011, 10:54 AM
I think we should punt on 3rd down and call bunch of running plays that we struggle to do. We want to be right in the front of the Luck race.

If McCoy calls more than 1 QB draw I'll be pissed. We should he running a lot of bootlegs and PA passes with Tebow ocassionally running when the defense is spread playing man-to-man

Greatspirits
10-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Under normal circumstances this would be a guaranteed loss, but with "Suck for Luck" cloud hanging out there I actually see us winning this game. The Dolphins have no intention in winning any games this year regardless what they say.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 11:00 AM
pics

Reebok Pump brand boobs.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MzTPayPPCkw/TepgRgoe8xI/AAAAAAAAIBg/T25fH2NNvcQ/s1600/dssds.jpg

bronco militia
10-21-2011, 11:07 AM
Yeah that has to be an issue. I know logically things like this shouldn't matter. It's a new team with entirely new and different variables. But for some inexplicable reason in sports history does matter. We lose in KC, especially in the winter. We always beat the Bengals, we usually beat the Patriots and we always lose to the Dolphins. That's just my 31 years of Bronco fandom talking.

I barely recall the games we've played against them. Only 17 games vs the dolphins over 50 years?!?!?!

Jetmeck
10-21-2011, 11:09 AM
I like the cheerleader but everything else says we take this game.
If MCgAHEE is ready we will run the ball. If he isn't can Moreno pull a rabbit from his hat and and run for a hundred knowing his job is at stake ???

Who knows but a good run game is Tebow's best friend, other than JC of course......LOL

Dagmar
10-21-2011, 11:14 AM
I'm concerned, there is a lot of pressure, despite the line's I think we are expected to win. Hoping Tebow's energy carries us through and it doesn't take a game and a half to turn him loose like when he started last year.

Chris
10-21-2011, 11:23 AM
Between the cheerleader, the yoga chick, broncoben's avatar and a picture of a giant hoagie...

I think we win in large part because of Matt Moore's ineptitude. We're not as bad as our record with Tebow starting.

Separate question - If NFL teams "play to win" and the Miami FO "wants to lose" then why do some people say it's a stretch to say our FO wants to lose?

Pick Six
10-21-2011, 11:34 AM
Throw the historical records out the window. This is a very unusual situation. This is the first time Tebow starts when we aren't mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Add the assumption that some Miami "fans" will be cheering for Tebow to do well. Add the fact that the humidity will be much less of a factor than previous times. I think we roll...:thumbs:

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 11:52 AM
I'm concerned, there is a lot of pressure, despite the line's I think we are expected to win. Hoping Tebow's energy carries us through and it doesn't take a game and a half to turn him loose like when he started last year.

Well last year he started due to injury and kind of had to move forward with the Orton game plan. This year we have an extra week. And Tebow has had a preseason and camp to work on things so that should help. He was rolling by the end of the Charger game. Hopefully he hits the ground running.

Dedhed
10-21-2011, 12:01 PM
I expect a good effort from the Phins. These are professionals with a lot of pride, and I think they're going to take it personally that their stadium is being turned into Tebow dome.

broncosteven
10-21-2011, 12:20 PM
I am not too worried about past trends, I am looking forward to a competitive game and a QB who doesn't look beaten on the 1st series of the game.

It should be entertaining.

outdoor_miner
10-21-2011, 12:28 PM
I expect a good effort from the Phins. These are professionals with a lot of pride, and I think they're going to take it personally that their stadium is being turned into Tebow dome.

I agree. They will at least be very fired up about the Tebow hype and so many Tebow fans filling their stadium. That is my biggest worry.

UberBroncoMan
10-21-2011, 12:37 PM
I wonder if Mike Nolan has a burr under his saddle for Denver-things could get nasty-

Doubt it. His burr is with "I know how to run a defense better than you" McD.

maven
10-21-2011, 12:37 PM
Dolphins want a win badly. Going to be a tough game.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 12:58 PM
Dolphins want a win badly. Going to be a tough game.

If we jump them early, they will quit. Matt moore!!

I look for raheem to get a pick. or two.

TotallyScrewed
10-21-2011, 12:58 PM
Play DC for a moment...

How would you limit the Tebow Effect?

I think the best chance is to try to keep containment and dare Tim to make the mid to long pass. I'm not sure that Tim and his receivers are totally in sync at this point. Coverage has to be tight in the short to mid range.

My opinion is that pressuring Tim or putting a spy on Tim is a good way to get burned by Tim. Forcing Tim to make a play is a bad idea.

Old Dude
10-21-2011, 12:59 PM
Well, Tebow's still basically a rookie and we just traded away the team's best wide receiver. I expect Miami's D to jam the line and I don't think there will be much of a running game - other than Tebow, who may be able to break off a couple before he's injured.

Denver has a bad habit of coming out flat after the BYE; they almost always suck on the east coast, especially in Florida, and especially in Miami.

The Dolphins are also coming off a Monday Night spanking, and teams in that situation do have a tendency to bounce back strong the following Sunday - especially when they are playing at home.

The whole Florida homecoming deal is more likely to be a distraction for Denver than any help on the field.

I'm seriously worried about the D. As of the Chargers game Dumervil still didn't seem to be himself and while he should be healed by now, we haven't seen it yet. If he's not, then we'll have very little pass rush and we all know what that means. It means that no matter who Miami starts at QB, they'll be able to throw at will.

We're also continuing to be plagued with injuries at DT, which won't help against the run.

Forget about Miami's motivation to win the "Luck" award. Their players couldn't give a damn about that and that's who takes the field.

I'm not optimistic about this game. Less than a 50/50 chance of winning it ... which is really and truly pathetic if I'm right.

Kaylore
10-21-2011, 01:01 PM
I'm with you, Old Dude. I remember once Shanahan said something to the effect that a 0-5 teams are the most dangerous teams in the NFL. Unfortunately I think we may be looking at a buzz saw here.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Im the opposite old dude.

Bye week.
Moore vs Fox.
Moore sucks.
Tebow produces.
Our pass rush is healthy.

If we stop bush, and champ contains b marsh, wrap it up.

Pseudofool
10-21-2011, 01:04 PM
The Broncos are healthy, have a new, dynamic QB starting with little game tape available to gameplan for, will play during a promotion that benefits said dynamic QB, will play against a winless football team, and are coming off a bye week. They should freaking win. If they don't win, see a lot more Ls on that schedule.

I don't buy into a generation spanning jinx on the Broncos playing in Miami. The Broncos culture and environment has totally transformed since any of those losses--if there was really something to the notion, whatever it was should be long gone.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 01:06 PM
They are going to rush Tebow evenly across the gaps, he needs to hit the crosses behind the blitz when they do. Also, screens to backs will be nice.

Watch for every OCs fav play... Fake stretch pa screen back to that back, and the fake bubble screen, backside screen to rb we ran vs tex.

TheReverend
10-21-2011, 01:09 PM
I'm with you, Old Dude. I remember once Shanahan said something to the effect that a 0-5 teams are the most dangerous teams in the NFL. Unfortunately I think we may be looking at a buzz saw here.

They're dangerous to teams that have confidence. If the Broncos are over-confident about ANYTHING at 1-4 they should all be slapped exiting the tunnel.

maven
10-21-2011, 01:13 PM
If we jump them early, they will quit. Matt moore!!

I look for raheem to get a pick. or two.

Works both ways. Moore has played under fox and seen his defense up close many times. Same with fox on Moore.

Game will be a good one but I see Miami winning their first game. It can really go either way.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 01:16 PM
Works both ways. Moore has played under fox and seen his defense up close many times. Same with fox on Moore.

Game will be a good one but I see Miami winning their first game. It can really go either way.

Ill take that bet!

i4jelway7
10-21-2011, 01:31 PM
Denver will win this game, bet your mortgage on it... Dolphins officially quit on the season in qtr 3 against the Jets, the coaches are headed out of town, Miami won't win another game all year... which in turn will screw us outta Andrew Luck... Tebow will win a few games for the Broncos effectively screwing us outta the chance to get Luck, plz put Orton back in, we need to lose all the remaining games

Mcdumbass really screwed this organization, set em back at least 5 years

pricejj
10-21-2011, 01:43 PM
I'm with you, Old Dude. I remember once Shanahan said something to the effect that a 0-5 teams are the most dangerous teams in the NFL. Unfortunately I think we may be looking at a buzz saw here.

The Dolphins are like a crouched animal right now. They have been humiliated and are fighting for their careers. Matt Moore is calm, collected, and ready to kick the crap out of Tebow and the Broncos...you think he wants to "Suck for Luck"? No way. The Dolphins are also about to go on a road trip...so this game is a must win for them and Sporano.

We are going to have to blitz the heck out of Moore, and Tebow is going to have to put points up early. Bring the pain to Moore the whole entire game.

This is a turning point game for both organizations.

vonqkilla
10-21-2011, 01:48 PM
The Dolphins are like a crouched animal right now. They have been humiliated and are fighting for their careers. Matt Moore sucks.

They are a beaten and kicked whimpering dog with no hope. Time to put Sparano out of his misery, consider Tebow the gun.

Bang!!!

pricejj
10-21-2011, 01:51 PM
sucks.

They are a beaten and kicked whimpering dog with no hope. Time to put Sparano out of his misery, consider Tebow the gun.

Bang!!!

:rofl:

...hope so man...but these Dolphins games are always jacked.

We need to punch Matt Moore in the mouth to show him he is a backup...and wratchet up that crap the whole game.

This game means a heckuva lot for the Broncos.

i4jelway7
10-21-2011, 02:01 PM
:rofl:

...hope so man...but these Dolphins games are always jacked.

We need to punch Matt Moore in the mouth to show him he is a backup...and wratchet up that crap the whole game.

This game means a heckuva lot for the Broncos.

yeah a game they need to lose in case of a tie breaker to get Luck. HUGE game Broncos need to fold like a tent

bendog
10-21-2011, 02:02 PM
I'm with you, Old Dude. I remember once Shanahan said something to the effect that a 0-5 teams are the most dangerous teams in the NFL. Unfortunately I think we may be looking at a buzz saw here.

With Orton, I'd say no chance in hell. I saw something on espn about why WC (mountain) teams have it tough on the east coast because they're having their pre-game meal at 5:00 am body time. There's just a fatigue factor after the first qtr, plus in Mia there can be that humidity, and I can tell you first hand that trying to run outside in 80% humidity, regardless of the temp, is rough. It feels like you're breathing in water ... which is exactly what you're doing.

But, there's no denying that Tebow brings an energy to the field. Still, Mia has decent corners, so who knows how he'll do.

Jetmeck
10-21-2011, 02:25 PM
I'm with you, Old Dude. I remember once Shanahan said something to the effect that a 0-5 teams are the most dangerous teams in the NFL. Unfortunately I think we may be looking at a buzz saw here.

No way.................

strafen
10-21-2011, 02:33 PM
Miami is the worst team in the league.
Trust me on this one. We will win this game. /end thread

houghtam
10-21-2011, 02:35 PM
Denver has a bad habit of coming out flat after the BYE

Not sure why this mth keeps getting perpetuated around here. The Broncos are 7-3 over the last 10 years coming off the bye week. I do believe that this could be your classic "trap" game (though how much of a trap can you have for a team that has only won 1 game), but the idea that Denver has a habit of not playing well after the bye is a myth.

Chris
10-21-2011, 03:02 PM
Not sure why this mth keeps getting perpetuated around here. The Broncos are 7-3 over the last 10 years coming off the bye week. I do believe that this could be your classic "trap" game (though how much of a trap can you have for a team that has only won 1 game), but the idea that Denver has a habit of not playing well after the bye is a myth.

Is there such a thing as a trap for a 1-4 team?

bendog
10-21-2011, 03:14 PM
Is there such a thing as a trap for a 1-4 team?

Isn't D. Thomas gonna try and give it a go?

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/462202/462202,1264857570,5/stock-photo--d-render-of-animal-trap-45561571.jpg

razorwire77
10-21-2011, 05:21 PM
Play DC for a moment...

How would you limit the Tebow Effect?

I think the best chance is to try to keep containment and dare Tim to make the mid to long pass. I'm not sure that Tim and his receivers are totally in sync at this point. Coverage has to be tight in the short to mid range.

My opinion is that pressuring Tim or putting a spy on Tim is a good way to get burned by Tim. Forcing Tim to make a play is a bad idea.

I sort of disagree. I think you spy him, and force him to beat you dinking and dunking from the pocket. Try to make him go through several progressions and make difficult reads. You show pressure, but drop 7 or 8 guys into coverage. You make him prove that he's not going to throw every other bubble screen, drag route, and quick out behind, or at the feet of the defender.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Personally, I think this game is going to be a real coming out party for Tebow throwing the football, so much so that expectations are going to skyrocket, but come back to Earth a bit when the team plays Detroit the following week.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm with you, Old Dude. I remember once Shanahan said something to the effect that a 0-5 teams are the most dangerous teams in the NFL. Unfortunately I think we may be looking at a buzz saw here.

This is the only time the 2011 Miami Dolphins will be called a "buzz saw". Ha!

Whoever runs the ball better wins this game. The Broncos have McGahee + Tebow, the Dolphins have the rookie + Reggie Bush. I'd give the edge to the Broncos on that one. Reggie Bush is horrible.

Tom Brady
10-21-2011, 05:26 PM
With Sparano's job on the line, there is no throwing this game. If they lose, he could potentially get fired in the next couple weeks if not immediately after.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 05:32 PM
With Sparano's job on the line, there is no throwing this game. If they lose, he could potentially get fired in the next couple weeks if not immediately after.

I sense an Orton-esque collapse.

maven
10-21-2011, 06:32 PM
Ill take that bet!

I wouldn't bet a nickel on this game. It can go either way. Last I checked Dolphins are -2.5.

TonyR
10-21-2011, 06:41 PM
Miami is the worst team in the league.


They're one of the worst, but I don't think the worst. Rams are probably worse, and cases could also be made for the Colts, Cardinals, Vikings, Browns, and Jags.

Old Dude
10-21-2011, 07:05 PM
They're one of the worst, but I don't think the worst. Rams are probably worse, and cases could also be made for the Colts, Cardinals, Vikings, Browns, and Jags.

And a damned good case could be made for Denver.

strafen
10-21-2011, 07:40 PM
They're one of the worst, but I don't think the worst. Rams are probably worse, and cases could also be made for the Colts, Cardinals, Vikings, Browns, and Jags.When you look at those teams you've just mentioned there, think in terms of current conditions.
Which team has the more work to do to be a contender?
I'll go with Miami with the Jags a close second since both would need to be revamped from the headcoach down.
Record wise, yeah, they're all bad including oursellves; the Colts, Cardinals, Vikings, Browns, and the broncos have better core of players and coaches than Miami and the Jags...
I see Miami a team in disarray. Far from being any better tnan just about any team in the NFL...

Dedhed
10-21-2011, 08:19 PM
And a damned good case could be made for Denver.

I was thinking the same thing. We were a 4-12 team a year ago, and on pace to be no better. You have to include the Broncos in the conversation.

cutthemdown
10-21-2011, 08:31 PM
I think the biggest factor in most of our recent problems with Miami are a result of traveling East and playing the early game. I don't know why that has such a big effect on this team but it is a factor. That game in '05 should have been a walk for us but we came out and **** the bed. I think we can win this game and I want us to win this game.

Thats a real stat. West coast teams have a losing record when playing the early game over the last 10 yrs.

cutthemdown
10-21-2011, 08:36 PM
And a damned good case could be made for Denver.

We are in the bottom 10 for sure. If Tebow is stud maybe we rise up.

lonestar
10-21-2011, 08:40 PM
I think that the players in MIA will be motivated to beat up on Tebow, to beat him in their house..since there are going to be loads of cheering fans there to see him..

I still think the early east coast game in humidity forecast for 80+ and rain, will once again be an obstacle bigger to over come, not to mention a RAFT of new players on Offense that have had NO time to get to know each other.

As good as I think he will be, I do not think that Tebow can rally the troops to a win this week..

Would love to see it, but not holding my breath..

cutthemdown
10-21-2011, 08:42 PM
Although I will also say I don't think there is much chance of Broncos ending up with the first pick in the draft. I really think they win 4-5 games at least.

houghtam
10-21-2011, 09:27 PM
(though how much of a trap can you have for a team that has only won 1 game)

Is there such a thing as a trap for a 1-4 team?

I kind of addressed that in my post...

i4jelway7
10-22-2011, 04:11 AM
Although I will also say I don't think there is much chance of Broncos ending up with the first pick in the draft. I really think they win 4-5 games at least.

ok we have 1 win now & will win against the dolphins, so who else do you think denver will beat? KC?

cutthemdown
10-22-2011, 05:08 AM
ok we have 1 win now & will win against the dolphins, so who else do you think denver will beat? KC?

Yeah maybe a win this weak, a win vs KC, then maybe an upset = 4 wins. Realistically we lost 2 games that were pretty close, going on that I figure Broncos will be in enough games for the fate of football to throw them enough wins they won't be worst then last yr and get the first pick. No doubt they will be in the top 10, probably top 5.

I'm going more on the fact i think Indy and Miami both in more trouble then Broncos. That could put us in the 3 hole right there. Rams looking pretty bad also.

Also though lets watch Tebow first. If he implodes, cant play, and fish beat us then it could look really bleak. I just think the kid can make some things happen.