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Punisher
10-19-2011, 04:50 PM
NFL insiders say there is legitimate worry that Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck will pull a power move and refuse to play for the team that drafts him, NFL.com's Albert Breer reports.

Luck's father is a football guy and the athletic director at West Virginia.

This has made some in the league think the Luck camp could force a trade the way the Manning camp did when Eli refused to play for the San Diego Chargers in 2004.

"Absolutely. I've heard that for the last two years," a college scout told Breer. "There's no question that it could be a Manning thing all over again."

It's way too early to start talking draft scenarios.

But as the consensus No. 1 player in the draft and probably the best QB prospect in years, Luck has enough clout to pull off this sort of move.

So if you're rooting for your mediocre team to tank the rest of the season in order to get the first overall pick, think again. Luck might be the one picking his team come April.

http://www.businessinsider.com/andrew-luck-refuse-play-draft-team-2011-10

Chris
10-19-2011, 04:51 PM
Oh I thought you meant being incredibly average at QB.

jhns
10-19-2011, 04:52 PM
Nice. The Elway connection will pay off!

Traveler
10-19-2011, 04:53 PM
An Elway too!

DENVERDUI55
10-19-2011, 05:01 PM
Those rumors would make me believe luck would be coming to Denver. Only thing is Denver beverages seems to go after a big name fa or draft pick anymore with broke drunk bowlen.

Smelvin
10-19-2011, 05:08 PM
Not gonna happen. Luck has been talked about so much that people simply need a different angle to cover.

He committed to Stanford when they were coming off seasons of 4-8, 1-11, 5-6, 4-7, 4-7, 2-9. He clearly is not immune to joining a miserable program and turning it around.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest he is the type of kid that will pull the Eli/Elway stunt.

OBF1
10-19-2011, 05:09 PM
more waste of bandwidth

KevinJames
10-19-2011, 05:20 PM
Luck will be a bronco unless Tebow tears it up in these next 11 games.

Don't forget he also has 1 year of eligibility left so he can go back to school, if he doesn't like the team that is planning on drafting him.

Drunk Monkey
10-19-2011, 05:24 PM
Not gonna happen. Luck has been talked about so much that people simply need a different angle to cover.

He committed to Stanford when they were coming off seasons of 4-8, 1-11, 5-6, 4-7, 4-7, 2-9. He clearly is not immune to joining a miserable program and turning it around.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest he is the type of kid that will pull the Eli/Elway stunt.

When he committed to Stanford was he the same level of bad ass he is now? Also Stanford is one hell of a school, football probably wasn't the only factor in that decision.

UberBroncoMan
10-19-2011, 05:27 PM
Sorry, but he'd be a ****ing idiot to not go to Indy. Private lessons from Manning? Yeah we have Elway, but it's different. He's not in all the meetings. He's a retired QB, not an active one to watch and learn from non-stop. We can all dream of him dissing the Colts and coming to Denver to become a HoF franchise QB just like Elway did because it sounds like a ****ing Hollywood movie, but that won't happen.

The ONLY thing we have going for us is Elway and his connections to Stanford...and isn't it illegal for him to conspire with Luck about pulling something like this off? I just can't see this happening. It's too ****ing perfect.

Drunk Monkey
10-19-2011, 05:28 PM
Sorry, but he'd be a ****ing idiot to not go to Indy. Private lessons from Manning? Yeah we have Elway, but it's different. We can all dream of him dissing Indy and coming to Denver just like Elway because it sounds like a ****ing Hollywood movie, but that won't happen.

Huh??? Ya go to Indy so he could possibly sit for the next 3 or 4 years. That's Manning's team until he retires and he could pull a Favre and stay way past his expiration date. I would avoid the Colts if I was in his position. Getting shafted with Miami would be a bigger worry of mine if I were Luck.

yerner
10-19-2011, 05:29 PM
why would he want to waste years of his career sitting behind manning? pro players don't care about teaching young plays anything.

Drunk Monkey
10-19-2011, 05:29 PM
Also just noticed, I cracked 1000 post. Yes I am a bad ass.

bowtown
10-19-2011, 05:31 PM
What if the Colts picked him and then traded him to us!?!? Quick, is Mark Herrmann still alive?

Bronx33
10-19-2011, 05:32 PM
The lucks hold the NFL by the balls and they know it.

UberBroncoMan
10-19-2011, 05:38 PM
Huh??? Ya go to Indy so he could possibly sit for the next 3 or 4 years. That's Manning's team until he retires and he could pull a Favre and stay way past his expiration date. I would avoid the Colts if I was in his position. Getting shafted with Miami would be a bigger worry of mine if I were Luck.

Honestly, I'd see Indy letting Manning go/trading him like San Fran did with Montana after about two years. Then again, maybe not.

Completely agree with Miami though. Holy **** would I do everything I could to avoid that place.

razorwire77
10-19-2011, 05:42 PM
This might actually benefit Denver. I don't think the Broncos are going to finish 2-14, or 3-13 (which is probably going to be what it takes to secure the no. 1 spot.) If Luck was to refuse, Denver might be one of the struggling franchises that would be appealing to him in a trade. You have the Elway Stanford alumni connection. John clearly has a hard on for the kid. Denver has a winning football tradition, as much as that has been tarnished lately, and the actual city of Denver would probably be appealing to a West Coast kids. It's going to be interesting if Indy, St. Louis or Carolina land any of the top 3 draft spots.

UberBroncoMan
10-19-2011, 05:47 PM
This might actually benefit Denver. I don't think the Broncos are going to finish 2-14, or 3-13 (which is probably going to be what it takes to secure the no. 1 spot.) If Luck was to refuse, Denver might be one of the struggling franchises that would be appealing to him in a trade. You have the Elway Stanford alumni connection. John clearly has a hard on for the kid. Denver has a winning football tradition, as much as that has been tarnished lately, and the actual city of Denver would probably be appealing to a West Coast kids. It's going to be interesting if Indy, St. Louis or Carolina land any of the top 3 draft spots.

If St. Louis does, they are going to be set for a long time with picks.

Man-Goblin
10-19-2011, 05:49 PM
Or if he doesn't like the team he could just go back to school another year....

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 05:51 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap, loser of a franchise with poor management and a non-QB-friendly coach.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid. And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.

Bronco Yoda
10-19-2011, 05:53 PM
What would we have to offer him besides an army of of would be pissed off Tebow fans.

razorwire77
10-19-2011, 05:57 PM
If St. Louis does, they are going to be set for a long time with picks.

Same thing with Indy. It depends on how they view Manning's injury. If they think he's going to return to a high level of play for a couple of more years, they would take the opportunity to grab a bunch of picks/players for the no. 1 and reload for one more run.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-19-2011, 05:59 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap, loser of a franchise with poor management and a non-QB-friendly coach.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid. And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.

Yeah, he only said Elway was his idol about a week and a half ago. Clearly he'd want to avoid this loser franchise.

Go troll another thread or just stay out of ones where you can't display Tebow's nuts on your chin.

go_broncos
10-19-2011, 06:05 PM
We will win at least 7 games with Tebow. Elway will not trade for Luck..We already have franchise QB.

razorwire77
10-19-2011, 06:05 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap, loser of a franchise with poor management and a non-QB-friendly coach.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid. And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.

It's all relative. Poorer than sitting on the bench in Indy for two years, waiting for Peyton to step aside. Poorer than going to St. Louis, with an established QB, a team that might get moved, and a lukewarm fan base? Poorer than going to KC and a small market team that hasn't won a playoff game in eleventy billion years? Poorer than going to Carolina and being part of a Luck v. Cam media orgy? Poorer than a Luck vs.Colt McCoy media orgy, living in Cleveland and playing for franchise with a reputation as a QB killer?

Jay3
10-19-2011, 06:16 PM
Luck will be a bronco unless Tebow tears it up in these next 11 games.

Don't forget he also has 1 year of eligibility left so he can go back to school, if he doesn't like the team that is planning on drafting him.

It doesn't work that way. He loses his eligibility if he's drafted.

OBF1
10-19-2011, 06:16 PM
It's all relative. Poorer than sitting on the bench in Indy for two years, waiting for Peyton to step aside. Poorer than going to St. Louis, with an established QB, a team that might get moved, and a lukewarm fan base? Poorer than going to KC and a small market team that hasn't won a playoff game in eleventy billion years? Poorer than going to Carolina and being part of a Luck v. Cam media orgy? Poorer than a Luck vs.Colt McCoy media orgy, living in Cleveland and playing for franchise with a reputation as a QB killer?

How poorly did that work out for Aaron Rodgers sitting behind Favre???

St Louis would trade the #1 pick as would Carolina. KC will win enough games not to win the #1 overall pick. Cleveland has already won 2 games. Your arguements suck enough for you to win Luck.

No mention of a 1-5 vikings or Jacksonville team or the 1-4 cards who look like dog sh it?

TDmvp
10-19-2011, 06:21 PM
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OBF1
10-19-2011, 06:21 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap... according to 3/4 of the mane posters, not only is Bowlen a gutless drunk, he is also BROKE. loser of a franchise No way anyone could argue this point after watching the past 3.25 seasons. with poor management... The jury is still out on this point and a non-QB-friendly coach.... NO doubt about this point.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid. And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.... Just like this entire thread, this is pure speculation.

errand
10-19-2011, 06:26 PM
NFL insiders say there is legitimate worry that Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck will pull a power move and refuse to play for the team that drafts him, NFL.com's Albert Breer reports.

Luck's father is a football guy and the athletic director at West Virginia.

This has made some in the league think the Luck camp could force a trade the way the Manning camp did when Eli refused to play for the San Diego Chargers in 2004.

"Absolutely. I've heard that for the last two years," a college scout told Breer. "There's no question that it could be a Manning thing all over again."

It's way too early to start talking draft scenarios.

But as the consensus No. 1 player in the draft and probably the best QB prospect in years, Luck has enough clout to pull off this sort of move.

So if you're rooting for your mediocre team to tank the rest of the season in order to get the first overall pick, think again. Luck might be the one picking his team come April.

http://www.businessinsider.com/andrew-luck-refuse-play-draft-team-2011-10

Who would he refuse to play for?

The Colts?

Why?

Would make sense that if i were a rookie QB, I'd love to be able to learn from arguably the greatest QB of a generation in Peyton Manning.....and quite frankly there are too many NFL teams with unsettled QB situations, which means a kid as talented as he would probably stand a good chance of starting as a rookie.

Requiem
10-19-2011, 06:28 PM
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elsid13
10-19-2011, 06:29 PM
When he committed to Stanford was he the same level of bad ass he is now? Also Stanford is one hell of a school, football probably wasn't the only factor in that decision.

He was 5 star recruit coming out of high school so it wasn't like he didn't have options. But you are right he did eliminate some of the big school because of the academics

Good story on him:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Andrew-Luck-perfect-fit-at-Stanford-orange-bowl-preview-010311

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 06:30 PM
Yeah, he only said Elway was his idol about a week and a half ago. Clearly he'd want to avoid this loser franchise.

Go troll another thread or just stay out of ones where you can't display Tebow's nuts on your chin.

Luck went to Stanford and has an intelligent father. He's no moron. He's not stupid enough to ignore the fact that the Broncos franchise has become a cheap joke and that Elway has been a poor manager just because "Elway is his idol" (your words, not Luck's).

Those are some naive ideas. The Broncos present a similar set of problems that scared Elway from Indianapolis. You think that Luck, who has similar counsel and intelligence is going to choose Denver when he could go to Miami and live the good life?

Yeah right.

elsid13
10-19-2011, 06:36 PM
Luck went to Stanford and has an intelligent father. He's no moron. He's not stupid enough to ignore the fact that the Broncos franchise has become a cheap joke and that Elway has been a poor manager just because "Elway is his idol" (your words, not Luck's).

Those are some naive ideas. The Broncos present a similar set of problems that scared Elway from Indianapolis. You think that Luck, who has similar counsel and intelligence is going to choose Denver when he could go to Miami and live the good life?

Yeah right.

I like the fact that you are now throwing **** at Elway and Denver Broncos, just because Luck might replace your boy crush - Tebow. If Denver get him, he going to sign, there is no indication that won't do.

gyldenlove
10-19-2011, 06:37 PM
The last 2 QBs who have made that move have both won Super Bowls.

Captain 'Dre
10-19-2011, 06:39 PM
So if you're rooting for your mediocre team to tank the rest of the season in order to get the first overall pick, think again. Luck might be the one picking his team come April.

http://www.businessinsider.com/andrew-luck-refuse-play-draft-team-2011-10

So even if Luck refuses to play for "your mediocre team", he would still represent a bonanza of draft picks in the resulting trade.

Captain 'Dre
10-19-2011, 06:41 PM
. The Broncos present a similar set of problems that scared Elway from Indianapolis.

It was actually Baltimore that Elway refused to sign with. Yes, it was the Colts... but they were in Baltimore at the time.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 06:42 PM
I like the fact that you are now throwing **** at Elway and Denver Broncos, just because Luck might replace your boy crush - Tebow. If Denver get him, he going to sign, there is no indication that won't do.

I'm reality.

Haters gonna hate.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 06:43 PM
It was actually Baltimore that Elway refused to sign with. Yes, it was the Colts... but they were in Baltimore at the time.

Right...thanks.

DeuceOfClub
10-19-2011, 06:44 PM
This is where the 'Stanford connection' will help us.

Remember how easy it was to lure Jim Harbaugh to come to Denver.

Captain 'Dre
10-19-2011, 06:45 PM
Luck will be a bronco unless Tebow tears it up in these next 11 games.

Don't forget he also has 1 year of eligibility left so he can go back to school, if he doesn't like the team that is planning on drafting him.

I wasn't aware that he has another year of eligibility. If that's true, he'll know which NFL team has the 1st overall pick before he's required to apply for inclusion in the draft, and could thus decide to return to school.

Not sure it's true, though.

Captain 'Dre
10-19-2011, 06:48 PM
The last 2 QBs who have made that move have both won Super Bowls.

Eli had a lot of "Luck" getting his SB win. Ha!

cutthemdown
10-19-2011, 06:51 PM
Wow if Cutler was 2 firsts, Palmer was maybe 2 firsts, Luck would be what 2 firsts, 2 2nds, and maybe a good player thrown in?

Man-Goblin
10-19-2011, 07:04 PM
Wow if Cutler was 2 firsts, Palmer was maybe 2 firsts, Luck would be what 2 firsts, 2 2nds, and maybe a good player thrown in?

Keep going.

DENVERDUI55
10-19-2011, 07:08 PM
Eli had a lot of "Luck" getting his SB win. Ha!

Hasn't every qb?

Requiem
10-19-2011, 07:13 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WuNfOGxYEUw/TaZzwHle9eI/AAAAAAAAAF8/dx3mGYHGcAc/s1600/sloth_goonies.jpg

gunns
10-19-2011, 07:19 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap, loser of a franchise with poor management and a non-QB-friendly coach.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid. And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.

Somebody has his Tebow feelers hurt.

gunns
10-19-2011, 07:20 PM
Eli had a lot of "Luck" getting his SB win. Ha!

Everyone knows it was the D but Eli held his own when it mattered. What QB does not need some luck?

GreatBronco16
10-19-2011, 07:23 PM
Lets see if I have this right.

Tebow supporters want Tebow to succeed and become the franchise QB we have been lacking.

Orton supporters are now taunting the Luck bandwaggon and think a 'Elway connection' is going to get him to Denver.


Does that about cover it?


We ain't getting Luck. And you can bank on that. :giggle:

razorwire77
10-19-2011, 07:27 PM
How poorly did that work out for Aaron Rodgers sitting behind Favre???

St Louis would trade the #1 pick as would Carolina. KC will win enough games not to win the #1 overall pick. Cleveland has already won 2 games. Your arguements suck enough for you to win Luck.

No mention of a 1-5 vikings or Jacksonville team or the 1-4 cards who look like dog sh it?

You're right, I should have laid out every hypothetical scenario where a team might hypothetically be a more appealing place for Luck to want to play in the hypothetical scenario he might demand a trade during the 2012 draft. You win at the Internetz. All I did was say that in the hypothetical scenario where Luck gets drafted by the Denver Broncos, if your GM is a Stanford alum and one of the greatest QB's of all time that Luck might not view that as a bad thing, and there might be GASP worst scenarios than playing for the Denver Bronco football team. But please feel free to get your panties all waded up as you argue with yourself :thumbs:

TD30
10-19-2011, 07:28 PM
What if miami gets the first pick, Tebow plays well and luck refuses to sign with miami. I'm just saying its a lot of what ifs but tebow in miami would be a huge draw for them and well luck would be tough to pass on. I just cant see how they could trade tebow if he plays well.

RhymesayersDU
10-19-2011, 07:29 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap, loser of a franchise with poor management and a non-QB-friendly coach.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid. And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.

What a shocker, the instant a QB is mentioned who doesn't fit into a certain somebody's religious and political views, a certain somebody comes in to make sure and chime in negatively.

I won't mention names though.

rock
10-19-2011, 07:39 PM
He'll be drafted and play for Miami. They need the next Marino down there and will mortgage everything to get him.

GUARANTEED!

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 07:50 PM
What a shocker, the instant a QB is mentioned who doesn't fit into a certain somebody's religious and political views, a certain somebody comes in to make sure and chime in negatively.

I won't mention names though.

You people are ridiculous.

Andrew Luck going to Denver is the worst case scenario, and here you have people openly pulling for the worst case scenario just because their anti-religious bigotry leads them to.

Best case scenario for the Denver Broncos is that their young players get better and solidify their positions. Tebow included. That way the Broncos can continue to build instead of trading away all of their assets like goobers here are suggesting.

Maybe you clowns should pull for the Broncos to succeed instead of being led by your bigotry to pull for their failure.

smoke4815162342
10-19-2011, 08:15 PM
Didnt Luck say Elway was his idol a couple weeks ago?

bowtown
10-19-2011, 08:16 PM
The Broncos present a similar set of problems that scared Elway from Indianapolis.


Really, Denver has a head coach who Luck's father hates?

Hercules Rockefeller
10-19-2011, 08:44 PM
Luck went to Stanford and has an intelligent father. He's no moron. He's not stupid enough to ignore the fact that the Broncos franchise has become a cheap joke and that Elway has been a poor manager just because "Elway is his idol" (your words, not Luck's).

Those are some naive ideas. The Broncos present a similar set of problems that scared Elway from Indianapolis. You think that Luck, who has similar counsel and intelligence is going to choose Denver when he could go to Miami and live the good life?

Yeah right.

Ooops, my bad. He didn't call John his idol, he called him his hero.

Elway, a former Stanford star, was on the sideline, although players didn't have much chance to interact.

"He was an honorary captain for a game last year, so he came and talked to us and we got to talk a little bit," Luck said. "Obviously, not as much as I'd like. He was one of the great quarterbacks of all time. He was my hero."



Read more: Dave Krieger: It's not too early for those Luck-to-Broncos dreams - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_19074532#ixzz1bHnZYvU7
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

Guess that doesn't change my initial point. So try again Drama Llama. Luck would come here if Denver had the 1st pick.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 08:51 PM
Ooops, my bad. He didn't call John his idol, he called him his hero.

Guess that doesn't change my initial point. So try again Drama Llama. Luck would come here if Denver had the 1st pick.

Batman is also a hero. So is Bruce Willis' character in Die Hard.

I hope you're not a lawyer, because words actually mean what they are supposed to mean in that business.

Odds are pretty good that we won't have the first pick in the draft either. Its sad that your dream is so far off, but you can get warm fuzzies for the Denver Broncos instead of the Stanford Cardinal if you just pocket the dreaminess and come back to reality.

bowtown
10-19-2011, 08:54 PM
Batman is also a hero. So is Bruce Willis' character in Die Hard.

I hope you're not a lawyer, because words actually mean what they are supposed to mean in that business.


You are really off whatever little game you had.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 08:56 PM
You are really off whatever little game you had.

Kiss my semantics.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-19-2011, 09:01 PM
Batman is also a hero. So is Bruce Willis' character in Die Hard.

I hope you're not a lawyer, because words actually mean what they are supposed to mean in that business.

Odds are pretty good that we won't have the first pick in the draft either. Its sad that your dream is so far off, but you can get warm fuzzies for the Denver Broncos instead of the Stanford Cardinal if you just pocket the dreaminess and come back to reality.

I love how you actually are trying call someone out on word usage, when I've never seen anyone twist words in the Post, ESPN, etc. like you do into things that are clearly not in the article.

And one more time, Luck wouldn't pull an Eli if Denver had the 1st pick.

What's also funny is that the guy who is so far into Tebow Lalaland it's bordering on hilariousness now, is calling anyone out on Luck.

You call them a cheap, loser franchise in this thread and then start a thread about how the Broncos are back because Tim's the starter.

You claim they're not taking a QB in the draft if Tebow does well, even though all they'll have is Tebow and a UDFA in the offseason. No matter how well Tebow does this year, they will draft a QB next April. How well he does will dictate how late they take one.

You claim that trading Lloyd shows they're committing to building around Tebow, when anyone who looks at it objectively knows that isn't even close to any reason why they traded Lloyd.

You claimed that because Tebow got a playbook last February (like everyone else did), they're building the offense around him and he's obviously the starter.

It's ****ing hilarious to troll you and read any post you have related to Tebow because none of it is grounded in reality.

BTW, Luck isn't a dream for me. It's a realistic possibility, as much as you'd like to pretend it wasn't, based upon this team's talent level and remaining schedule. It's not like I won't be at the 5 remaining home games cheering for them to win all of them either. If they win this weekend, they have no shot at Luck. But if they can't beat Miami, this team is worse than any of us thought.

KCStud
10-19-2011, 09:03 PM
If Luck does this, he'll be hated just like Eli. Sack up and go to the team that drafts you, which doesn't look so bad when Miami gets a good coach in there. They have talent, just really poor coaching.

bowtown
10-19-2011, 09:05 PM
If Luck does this, he'll be hated just like Eli. Sack up and go to the team that drafts you, which doesn't look so bad when Miami gets a good coach in there. They have talent, just really poor coaching.

Aside from SD fans who exactly is Eli hated by?

NFLBRONCO
10-19-2011, 09:11 PM
I love how you actually are trying call someone out on word usage, when I've never seen anyone twist words in the Post, ESPN, etc. like you do into things that are clearly not in the article.

And one more time, Luck wouldn't pull an Eli if Denver had the 1st pick.

What's also funny is that the guy who is so far into Tebow Lalaland it's bordering on hilariousness now, is calling anyone out on Luck.

You call them a cheap, loser franchise in this thread and then start a thread about how the Broncos are back because Tim's the starter.

You claim they're not taking a QB in the draft if Tebow does well, even though all they'll have is Tebow and a UDFA in the offseason. No matter how well Tebow does this year, they will draft a QB next April. How well he does will dictate how late they take one.

You claim that trading Lloyd shows they're committing to building around Tebow, when anyone who looks at it objectively knows that isn't even close to any reason why they traded Lloyd.

You claimed that because Tebow got a playbook last February (like everyone else did), they're building the offense around him and he's obviously the starter.

It's ****ing hilarious to troll you and read any post you have related to Tebow because none of it is grounded in reality.

BTW, Luck isn't a dream for me. It's a realistic possibility, as much as you'd like to pretend it wasn't, based upon this team's talent level and remaining schedule. It's not like I won't be at the 5 remaining home games cheering for them to win all of them either. If they win this weekend, they have no shot at Luck. But if they can't beat Miami, this team is worse than any of us thought.

I agree if we win sunday I expect Luck saga is over. I don't see Colts or Miami winning more then 2 games. They probably have SOS edge too.

dsmoot
10-19-2011, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=Smelvin;3337319]Not gonna happen. Luck has been talked about so much that people simply need a different angle to cover.

He committed to Stanford when they were coming off seasons of 4-8, 1-11, 5-6, 4-7, 4-7, 2-9. He clearly is not immune to joining a miserable program and turning it around.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest he is the type of kid that will pull the Eli/Elway stunt.[/QUOTE

There was no Elway stunt. He chose not to play for a specific coach that would be detrimental to his development. Frank Kush. It had nothing to do with Baltimore as a city. Jack Elway knew Kush quite well and knew he was a coach who would ultimately tear players down rather help them become better. It all played out in Baltimore just as John's dad predicted with Kush. He put that organization on the ropes. John Elway had an option to play baseball and was willing to go that route if he didn't get out of that situation. More power to him to use whatever leverage he had.

BroncoMan4ever
10-19-2011, 09:29 PM
with his father as his advisor he doesn't have to sign with an agent and if he sees a team like Miami tank it just to get him, he can tell them to go to hell. i think there is even a scenario in which he could return to school for another year. he has 1 more year of eligibility left i believe

bowtown
10-19-2011, 09:31 PM
with his father as his advisor he doesn't have to sign with an agent and if he sees a team like Miami tank it just to get him, he can tell them to go to hell. i think there is even a scenario in which he could return to school for another year. he has 1 more year of eligibility left i believe

No there is not that scenario if he enters the draft.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 09:32 PM
I love how you actually are trying call someone out on word usage, when I've never seen anyone twist words in the Post, ESPN, etc. like you do into things that are clearly not in the article.

And one more time, Luck wouldn't pull an Eli if Denver had the 1st pick.

What's also funny is that the guy who is so far into Tebow Lalaland it's bordering on hilariousness now, is calling anyone out on Luck.

You call them a cheap, loser franchise in this thread and then start a thread about how the Broncos are back because Tim's the starter.

You claim they're not taking a QB in the draft if Tebow does well, even though all they'll have is Tebow and a UDFA in the offseason. No matter how well Tebow does this year, they will draft a QB next April. How well he does will dictate how late they take one.

You claim that trading Lloyd shows they're committing to building around Tebow, when anyone who looks at it objectively knows that isn't even close to any reason why they traded Lloyd.

You claimed that because Tebow got a playbook last February (like everyone else did), they're building the offense around him and he's obviously the starter.

It's ****ing hilarious to troll you and read any post you have related to Tebow because none of it is grounded in reality.

BTW, Luck isn't a dream for me. It's a realistic possibility, as much as you'd like to pretend it wasn't, based upon this team's talent level and remaining schedule. It's not like I won't be at the 5 remaining home games cheering for them to win all of them either. If they win this weekend, they have no shot at Luck. But if they can't beat Miami, this team is worse than any of us thought.

Tim Tebow is the QB of the Denver Broncos.

If you are no longer a fan of the Denver Broncos, don't watch the games.

Its that simple.

No need for you to continue trolling in the hopes that your trolling will somehow materialize your fantasies.

BroncoInferno
10-19-2011, 09:42 PM
Another thread, another epic beatdown and embarrassment suffered by the drama llama.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-19-2011, 10:10 PM
Tim Tebow is the QB of the Denver Broncos.

If you are no longer a fan of the Denver Broncos, don't watch the games.

Its that simple.

No need for you to continue trolling in the hopes that your trolling will somehow materialize your fantasies.

You called the Broncos a cheap, loser franchise in this thread. Yeah, I'm the one that's not a fan of the TEAM. You truly are a cariacature, and it really does get funnier by the day. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that you are a fan of Tebow and not the Broncos at this point.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 10:26 PM
You called the Broncos a cheap, loser franchise in this thread. Yeah, I'm the one that's not a fan of the TEAM. You truly are a cariacature, and it really does get funnier by the day. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that you are a fan of Tebow and not the Broncos at this point.


Answer these two questions, please:


How far are the Broncos under the cap right now?

How many games have the Broncos won in the past two seasons?

maven
10-19-2011, 10:27 PM
Even if the Broncos win this Sunday in Miami it doesn't rule out a possible trade, depending on who lands the #1 overall pick.

NUB
10-19-2011, 11:00 PM
I think he would pull this on Indianapolis if I were to guess a team. Miami will have a whole new head coach and system in place come draft-time and probably one that looks intentionally inviting to Luck. Manning should probably retire, but I don't think he will. That #2 spot behind him is like a blackhole of a roster spot and Manning has never been very cool with the guys who sit behind him. In fact, it's kind of a mystery how both Sorgi and Painter, spending time behind one of the best QBs of any era, have not gained anything from their experiences.

maven
10-19-2011, 11:13 PM
Why should Manning retire? He can definitely come back and play at a high level for more years.

NFLBRONCO
10-19-2011, 11:33 PM
Even if the Broncos win this Sunday in Miami it doesn't rule out a possible trade, depending on who lands the #1 overall pick.

How many games do you see Colts Mia Den winning?

BroncoMan4ever
10-19-2011, 11:58 PM
How poorly did that work out for Aaron Rodgers sitting behind Favre???

St Louis would trade the #1 pick as would Carolina. KC will win enough games not to win the #1 overall pick. Cleveland has already won 2 games. Your arguements suck enough for you to win Luck.

No mention of a 1-5 vikings or Jacksonville team or the 1-4 cards who look like dog sh it?

you have to wonder about the Vikings and Jacksonville. both teams took QBs this year in the top 15. Ponder was considered the most pror ready of all the available QBs this year, and Gabbert was seen as a project but the best overall prospect of the bunch. would either of those teams draft QBs in the top half of the draft in successive years?

right now the most likely team for Luck is Miami and maybe Indy, but if Manning comes back in december as Irsay says he will or doctors say he will be back to top shape for next season, then i believe their pick would be up for grabs to the highest bidder. and make no mistake, if Tebow doesn't wow the front office and Fox, then we will do whatever it takes to get him in Denver. a Ditka trade would not in the least surprise me.

epicSocialism4tw
10-20-2011, 12:22 AM
Why should Manning retire? He can definitely come back and play at a high level for more years.

His neck is pretty messed up. He's on what...his third surgery to fix it since he found the injury?

Odds are probably about even that Manning retires.

Gort
10-20-2011, 02:01 AM
Aside from SD fans who exactly is Eli hated by?

depending on whether the Giants won that week or not, you can add Giants fans to that list.

KCStud
10-20-2011, 02:29 AM
Aside from SD fans who exactly is Eli hated by?

Besides the entire NFC East, including Giants fans themselves? Eli is known as an overrated whining baby by several fans in the NFL.

ZONA
10-20-2011, 04:00 AM
Sorry, but he'd be a ****ing idiot to not go to Indy. Private lessons from Manning? Yeah we have Elway, but it's different. He's not in all the meetings. He's a retired QB, not an active one to watch and learn from non-stop. We can all dream of him dissing the Colts and coming to Denver to become a HoF franchise QB just like Elway did because it sounds like a ****ing Hollywood movie, but that won't happen.

The ONLY thing we have going for us is Elway and his connections to Stanford...and isn't it illegal for him to conspire with Luck about pulling something like this off? I just can't see this happening. It's too ****ing perfect.

You're crazy. If I was Luck, Indy would be the last place I would want to go. You're for sure going to be holding the clipboard for at least 3 or 4 years, if not longer. Manning will be back and he'll be the starter until he wants to leave, Luck there waiting or not.

bendog
10-20-2011, 09:02 AM
If Tebow plays well this week in Mia, and if they're struggling with tix sales, and have the top pick, could Elway offer them two ones and Tebow for Luck?

Drek
10-20-2011, 09:13 AM
If Luck does this, he'll be hated just like Eli. Sack up and go to the team that drafts you, which doesn't look so bad when Miami gets a good coach in there. They have talent, just really poor coaching.

People dislike Eli for many reasons other than his draft day power play. Such as how he looks like he's short a chromosome or two. Or his shocking ability to fall ass backwards into good plays when he looks completely lost or at best only half aware of what is happening on the football field.

I'd imagine even most SD fans are thankful he made that strong arm move because Shotty made it clear after the draft that Rivers was his guy all along.

Rohirrim
10-20-2011, 09:20 AM
I like the fact that you are now throwing **** at Elway and Denver Broncos, just because Luck might replace your boy crush - Tebow. If Denver get him, he going to sign, there is no indication that won't do.

Hey, look at it this way - If the Broncos get Luck, they'll trade Tebow, and the drama llama will follow him and no longer post here. Good times all around! :~ohyah!:

Jason in LA
10-20-2011, 09:49 AM
This has made some in the league think the Luck camp could force a trade the way the Manning camp did when Eli refused to play for the San Diego Chargers in 2004.

Just a reminder that not too long ago the Chargers were the bottom feeders of the league. I've never thought of them as a real rival because they have no championships, they've never accomplished anything of note, and for most of my lifetime they've been awful. It must suck to be a fan of that team.

eddie mac
10-20-2011, 09:58 AM
Yeah, he only said Elway was his idol about a week and a half ago. Clearly he'd want to avoid this loser franchise.

Go troll another thread or just stay out of ones where you can't display Tebow's nuts on your chin.

Mirror, change Luck for Tebow :giggle:

TonyR
10-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Besides the entire NFC East...

I live in NFC East territory, about 30 min from Phila, and there is no notable Eli Manning hate here. Eagles fans hate the Giants, of course, but there is no noticeable effort to pile hate on Eli.

maven
10-20-2011, 12:07 PM
I live in NFC East territory, about 30 min from Phila, and there is no notable Eli Manning hate here. Eagles fans hate the Giants, of course, but there is no noticeable effort to pile hate on Eli.

Agree, I do not see the Eli Manning hate at all. Just hating the Giants, in general if you are not a fan of them.

maven
10-20-2011, 12:17 PM
How many games do you see Colts Mia Den winning?

I think the Colts/Dolphins/Rams can win at least a game and possible multiple games the rest of the way. I do not see an 0-16 club this year. I do think, in regards to Luck and the Denver Broncos, the Rams would be the viable trading partner. I think Denver's best chance is the Rams secure the #1 overall pick. Denver should win some games, but Denver needs to be close enough to swap picks.

Rohirrim
10-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Players don't have to declare for the draft until midway through January. By then, Luck will know who has the number one pick. If he doesn't want to go there, he can go back to school. He did it before. He can do it again. It's not like Palo Alto is a ****ty place to hang out.

bendog
10-20-2011, 02:37 PM
yep that draft sucked.

BroncoBuff
10-20-2011, 02:40 PM
Why would Luck choose Denver?

We're a cheap, loser of a franchise with poor management and a non-QB-friendly coach.

News flash...we're one of the franchises that he would choose to avoid.

Agree with this, sadly ... though Tebow should be listed on top of the reasons.



And don't give me that Elway crap...thats an absolutely meaningless connection. Especially given that Elway has proven to be a poor manager here so far.
Yeah, seems doubtful Luck has the kind of connection with Elway that would prompt a demand he play here. Especially with Tebow here ... and what about his connection with Tebow? You guys do realize there's some guy posting on some other board somewhere probably today saying Luck would never dis another Heisman winner by forcing him out of his job (assuming Luck wins).

But you're crazy wrong on John, it's WAY too early to peg Elway a bad manager. Seems to me Orton started at Fox's insistence. And the rest - everything OTHER THAN the unfortunate 5-week Orton mistake - the rest look like John might have a pretty good plan.

epicSocialism4tw
10-20-2011, 02:46 PM
Agree with this, sadly ... though Tebow should be listed on top of the reasons.




Yeah, seems doubtful Luck has the kind of connection with Elway that would prompt a demand he play here. Especially with Tebow here ... and what about his connection with Tebow? You guys do realize there's some guy posting on some other board somewhere probably today saying Luck would never dis another Heisman winner by forcing him out of his job (assuming Luck wins).

But you're crazy wrong on John, it's WAY too early to peg Elway a bad manager. Seems to me Orton started at Fox's insistence. And the rest - everything OTHER THAN the unfortunate 5-week Orton mistake - the rest look like John might have a pretty good plan.

Elway has experienced some real turbulence early in his tenure.

bowtown
10-20-2011, 02:47 PM
Besides the entire NFC East, including Giants fans themselves? Eli is known as an overrated whining baby by several fans in the NFL.

Wait, let me get this straight... fans of the other teams in Eli's division don't like him? No way. That's such strange behavior! Yeah, that's definitely because of the draft and not because he's a rival QB in their division.

And, speaking as a guy who lives in New York and is constantly surrounded by Giants fans (including the one I married and her entire family)--the hate that Giants fans have towards Eli has nothing to do with his trade and everything to do wit him being a wildly inconsistent QB that has a tendency to leave large dumps on the field every couple of weeks.

So then, please show me where else I can find this overwhelming hate for Eli, specifically related to his draft antics, as you claim. As mentioned above there are a lot of reasons that I've heard that people don't like Eli but the draft is the least of them IMO.

BroncoBuff
10-20-2011, 02:50 PM
You people saying John is a bad manager, or a "failure" like AgaBlameJohn says, I wish you guys could count to 9 - as in the number of months he's been on the job - or spend at least one minute watching Von Miller - or acknowledge the Orton blunder lasted just 4 1/2 games. Either do those things, stfu, or find another board, because you're making me ill .....

jhns
10-20-2011, 02:57 PM
You people

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elsid13
10-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Hey, look at it this way - If the Broncos get Luck, they'll trade Tebow, and the drama llama will follow him and no longer post here. Good times all around! :~ohyah!:

drama llama will do the same thing he always does, jump on the next "cool" thing. I expect if Luck is drafted, he will be starting a 100 threads telling us why Tebow failed and how he knew that Fox made the wrong call starting him.

TotallyScrewed
10-20-2011, 03:04 PM
If Tebow plays well this week in Mia, and if they're struggling with tix sales, and have the top pick, could Elway offer them two ones and Tebow for Luck?

This is an interesting idea. I think for it to work, Tebow would have to play at least .500 ball the rest of 2011.

epicSocialism4tw
10-20-2011, 03:06 PM
drama llama will do the same thing he always does, jump on the next "cool" thing. I expect if Luck is drafted, he will be starting a 100 threads telling us why Tebow failed and how he knew that Fox made the wrong call starting him.

Ha!

If Tebow leaves, I'll still be a Broncos fan.

As for what is "cool", do you seriously believe that I glom on to what is "cool"! Ha!

Tebow is going to be successful here though, so dont you worry your pretty little head.

elsid13
10-20-2011, 03:07 PM
If Tebow plays well this week in Mia, and if they're struggling with tix sales, and have the top pick, could Elway offer them two ones and Tebow for Luck?

If it worked for me in Madden, it should work for us in really life. :thumbs:

BroncoBuff
10-20-2011, 03:09 PM
YOU PEOPLE prepare yourselves for another logical explanation why Luck-won't-come-here. After he wins the Heisman, conventional wisdom will be: "No way Luck disrespects a fellow Heisman winner by forcing his way on the same team, just when Tebow is getting a foothold on the job."

You people make me ill sometimes ... seriously this time.

BroncoBuff
10-20-2011, 03:19 PM
Eli ... looks like he's short a chromosome or two. Or his shocking ability to fall ass backwards into good plays when he looks completely lost or at best only half aware of what is happening on the football field.

I ain't mad at him. He does have that dopey "deer in the headlights" look, but he beat the Patriots in that Super Bowl. I give him a lifetime pass based on that alone ... 19-0 would have been unbearable.

epicSocialism4tw
10-20-2011, 03:28 PM
YOU PEOPLE prepare yourselves for another logical explanation why Luck-won't-come-here. After he wins the Heisman, conventional wisdom will be: "No way Luck disrespects a fellow Heisman winner by forcing his way on the same team, just when Tebow is getting a foothold on the job."

You people make me ill sometimes ... seriously this time.

Luck wont come here because the Broncos wont have a shot at him.

yerner
10-20-2011, 05:19 PM
Ha!

If Tebow leaves, I'll still be a Broncos fan.

As for what is "cool", do you seriously believe that I glom on to what is "cool"! Ha!

Tebow is going to be successful here though, so dont you worry your pretty little head.

you whine like woman.

gunns
10-20-2011, 05:43 PM
Agree with this, sadly ... though Tebow should be listed on top of the reasons.




Yeah, seems doubtful Luck has the kind of connection with Elway that would prompt a demand he play here. Especially with Tebow here ... and what about his connection with Tebow? You guys do realize there's some guy posting on some other board somewhere probably today saying Luck would never dis another Heisman winner by forcing him out of his job (assuming Luck wins).

But you're crazy wrong on John, it's WAY too early to peg Elway a bad manager. Seems to me Orton started at Fox's insistence. And the rest - everything OTHER THAN the unfortunate 5-week Orton mistake - the rest look like John might have a pretty good plan.

No ****.

It's a meaningless connection because Elway has proven to be a bad manager? Only to Tebow nuts. Luck isn't saying "I don't want to go to Denver because Elway's done a lousy job." He hasn't had the job long enough to be declared bad. I, for one, thought it was a great draft. This was a cluster***c. But there are those that expected a tranformation over night. They deserve to feel let down. What idiots. And as if 8 months of being vice president, bad or good, would over come 16 years of greatness, who brought me some of the greatest joy I've known. I'm sure that's what Luck or any fan of Elway's remembers, not the past 8 months. Please

brncs_fan
10-20-2011, 07:06 PM
After only reading the first page I am confident that everything that happens with Luck between now and the draft will be painted as us being in the optimal position for to take him where it is pure folly or not.

barryr
10-20-2011, 08:36 PM
Pretty funny anyone actually thinks Luck gives a crap Elway went to Stanford and would to come to the Broncos for that reason.

epicSocialism4tw
10-20-2011, 10:25 PM
Pretty funny anyone actually thinks Luck gives a crap Elway went to Stanford and would to come to the Broncos for that reason.

No doubt.

They think that a kid from Stanford is as stupid as they are.

gunns
10-20-2011, 10:29 PM
Where did anyone state that Luck wanted to come to the Broncos because Elway went to Stanford? MacGruder is saying the same thing, only that Luck will DEMAND to come to the Broncos because of it. Are one of you two MacGruder?

Requiem
10-20-2011, 10:29 PM
No doubt.

They think that a kid from Stanford is as stupid as they are.

Do us a favor and stop posting.

epicSocialism4tw
10-20-2011, 10:36 PM
Where did anyone state that Luck wanted to come to the Broncos because Elway went to Stanford? MacGruder is saying the same thing, only that Luck will DEMAND to come to the Broncos because of it. Are one of you two MacGruder?

The idea that there is any sort of relationship between Luck and Elway that would supercede the other rational decisions necessary to build a good career is ridiculous. Period.

barryr
10-20-2011, 10:40 PM
Where did anyone state that Luck wanted to come to the Broncos because Elway went to Stanford? MacGruder is saying the same thing, only that Luck will DEMAND to come to the Broncos because of it. Are one of you two MacGruder?

The same bozos who think Elway wants Luck because he went to Stanford. Try keeping your usual idiot ad hominem attacks in the political forum genius.

Requiem
10-20-2011, 10:48 PM
The same bozos who think Elway wants Luck because he went to Stanford. Try keeping your usual idiot ad hominem attacks in the political forum genius.

Elway wants Luck because he is a tremendous QB prospect. If you think Luck would deny the opportunity to play here you are a retard.

Momentum
10-21-2011, 03:17 AM
Nice. The Elway connection will pay off!Maybe so :~ohyah!:

elsid13
10-21-2011, 03:45 AM
Elway wants Luck because he is a tremendous QB prospect. If you think Luck would deny the opportunity to play here you are a retard.

It is just Tebowonuts refusing to acknowledge the possibility their hero might not live up to the billing that his cult has created.

cutthemdown
10-21-2011, 04:00 AM
If anything he demands to play in Frisco with his old coach. Besides next yrs draft too far away to worry about.

barryr
10-21-2011, 06:25 AM
If anything he demands to play in Frisco with his old coach. Besides next yrs draft too far away to worry about.

Yep, for people to go on and on about a QB in a draft months away the Broncos likely have no shot at drafting is pretty ridiculous to say the least. This hope he will tell all teams to not draft him except the Broncos is fantasy and setting one up for disappointment. If wanting a QB, the Broncos will need to look elsewhere. And that reality has nothing to do with wanting Tebow to be successful or not, which one can plainly see some around here want him to fail so they can somehow prove a point to other fans. Idiots.

Broncos4tw
10-21-2011, 10:34 AM
Why do people think Denver will get Luck? I give us next to NO chance to get Luck. There will be teams with worse records. There will be a 1 or even 0 win team this year. We'd have to lose out to have a chance. It's not gonna happen. I think we'll win at least 5 personally, maybe more. We have no chance at Luck. Unless like they say, he does some power move. But I don't see that happening either.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Why do people think Denver will get Luck? I give us next to NO chance to get Luck. There will be teams with worse records. There will be a 1 or even 0 win team this year. We'd have to lose out to have a chance. It's not gonna happen. I think we'll win at least 5 personally, maybe more. We have no chance at Luck. Unless like they say, he does some power move. But I don't see that happening either.

Right now the Broncos have the 8th pick in the draft. I see the Broncos winning a handfull more games. That will probably move us a couple spots back in the draft into the 10-15 range.

BroncoBen
10-21-2011, 11:23 AM
It doesn't work that way. He loses his eligibility if he's drafted.

True... Basketball is what you thinking, if you get drafted by a team and you don't like it you can go back to college, provided you didn't sign with a agent.

Football you have to declare if you are coming out or not for the draft. You get drafted that team has owns your rights.

You see that with these kids in the armed services (air force, navy, army, ect.) they get drafted by some nfl team, but they still have a 2-6 year commitment with the service. Now, they can apply for and get some kind of deferment, to where they are in the guard or recruiting office if they want to really play in the nfl.