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pricejj
10-19-2011, 11:17 AM
Quinton Coples will be considered the #1 defensive lineman in the draft:

Quinton Coples - Sr. - DE/DT - North Carolina - 6'5.6", 285 lbs. - 4.76 forty time

2011: 28 tackles, 3.5 sacks (so far)
2010: 59 tackles, 10 sacks
2009: 22 tackles, 5 sacks

Has shown consistency over college career, while playing all over the LOS. I think the Broncos will consider him their #1 priority in the draft (other than Luck).

Has the size to bulk up a bit and play UT, can be interchangeable on the line with Robert Ayers, playing either DE or DT...

At initial glance, you might not consider him to be the top target because of his size (285 lbs.), however consider that he is 6'5.6" and can put on 15 lbs. if necessary. He is an animal on the line, but does he have the size to hold up against the run game on the inside?

Coples is a better prospect than Brandon Thompson (DT, Clemson) due to superior height and production...do we play him at DT?

Would definitely add talent to the Broncos DL, and will be highly sought after, possibly going #2 overall...

jhns
10-19-2011, 11:19 AM
Are you that tired of the actual season already?

RhymesayersDU
10-19-2011, 11:22 AM
Whoa! Andrew Luck changed his name and position mid-season?!

Requiem
10-19-2011, 11:23 AM
As long as he is not the next Gaines Adams, we gotta give him a look.

pricejj
10-19-2011, 11:23 AM
Are you that tired of the actual season already?

I am extremely excited for this weekend...but I got some guys on my watch list for the draft...

I initially discounted Coples due to his size (285 lbs.), but he may represent the best value for the Broncos, considering the OL is pulling it together. Still not sold on Beadles, so am looking at OT as well.

There is no doubt we need DL talent...is Coples the guy?

vancejohnson82
10-19-2011, 11:29 AM
I had the same worry about his size....he's going to end up being a DE in the NFL, in my opinion, so I would have to say we pass. Get some big uglies in the middle if we are going DL

Pony Boy
10-19-2011, 11:31 AM
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gyldenlove
10-19-2011, 11:31 AM
I swear I will fly out to Denver, find EFX and unscrew their heads and **** down their necks if they do that. Pass rusher is the only ****ing position we don't need to improve - and if you draft a guy in the top 5 and change his position you just deserve a painful and humiliating death.

I would rather draft Taro Tsujimoto.

BroncoMan4ever
10-19-2011, 11:33 AM
I am extremely excited for this weekend...but I got some guys on my watch list for the draft...

I initially discounted Coples due to his size (285 lbs.), but he may represent the best value for the Broncos, considering the OL is pulling it together. Still not sold on Beadles, so am looking at OT as well.

There is no doubt we need DL talent...is Coples the guy?

the OL i looking a lot better and seemingly improving on a weekly basis, however i would still like to see some depth and competition brought in for some members of the line.

pricejj
10-19-2011, 11:39 AM
I had the same worry about his size....he's going to end up being a DE in the NFL, in my opinion, so I would have to say we pass. Get some big uglies in the middle if we are going DL

The best DT prospect is:

Brandon Thompson - Sr. - Clemson - 6'2.1", 310 lbs.

2011: 27 tackles, 0.5 sack (so far)
2010: 41 tackles, 1.0 sack
2009: 27 tackles, 0 sack

He looks good against the run, and can collapse the pocket...but lack of elite size and production has me worried...I would consider him in the #10-#15 range in the draft...

Coples could put on the size and become like Ty Warren (6'5", 300 lbs.)...?

pricejj
10-19-2011, 11:42 AM
I swear I will fly out to Denver, find EFX and unscrew their heads and **** down their necks if they do that. Pass rusher is the only ****ing position we don't need to improve - and if you draft a guy in the top 5 and change his position you just deserve a painful and humiliating death.

I would rather draft Taro Tsujimoto.

...he plays all over the line at North Carolina. Is he best suited to playing UT in the NFL?

*WARHORSE*
10-19-2011, 11:53 AM
I swear I will fly out to Denver, find EFX and unscrew their heads and **** down their necks if they do that. Pass rusher is the only ****ing position we don't need to improve - and if you draft a guy in the top 5 and change his position you just deserve a painful and humiliating death.

I would rather draft Taro Tsujimoto.


Actually, he played a ton at DT, and alot of his sacks came there in spite of double teaming.

The guy is a beast.

I wouldnt be upset at ALL if we draft him, I would be ELATED.

We take the best available athlete period.


I love the Taro Tsujimoto pick though........:yayaya:

gyldenlove
10-19-2011, 12:57 PM
...he plays all over the line at North Carolina. Is he best suited to playing UT in the NFL?

With that height he would have to pack on 30-50 lbs to play DT in the pros unless he has unbelievable bend and leverage, his size looks prototypical for 3-4 DE or a power RE.

bowtown
10-19-2011, 12:58 PM
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LRtagger
10-19-2011, 01:39 PM
Book it

http://www.alcrimsontide.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/TrentRichardson3.jpg

Tim
10-19-2011, 08:46 PM
I'd be happy with coples, richardson, or even kirkpatrick

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 09:00 PM
Book it

I would like to see that guy in orange and blue. He might be the BPA when the Broncos pick.

Odds are pretty good that the Broncos will end up with a solid potential difference maker at the greatest positions of need. DT, MLB, CB, RB...those are the top 4, IMO.

There are so many positions of legitimate need that the Broncos will have opportunities to really address some needs through the next draft.

vancejohnson82
10-19-2011, 09:02 PM
I would like to see that guy in orange and blue. He might be the BPA when the Broncos pick.

Odds are pretty good that the Broncos will end up with a solid potential difference maker at the greatest positions of need. DT, MLB, CB, RB...those are the top 4, IMO.

There are so many positions of legitimate need that the Broncos will have opportunities to really address some needs through the next draft.

exactly....I would have no problem if at #5 -7 we picked up Richardson. It's not going to be the move that puts us over the top as a "good" team, but we have so many holes that if you can fill one of them with the BPA, you have to do it

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 09:07 PM
exactly....I would have no problem if at #5 -7 we picked up Richardson. It's not going to be the move that puts us over the top as a "good" team, but we have so many holes that if you can fill one of them with the BPA, you have to do it

Well, the good thing about sucking is that you aren't shoe horned into drafting for position. You can take the best guy available. That really gives you a wide target to get a hit.

That's true for the second round as well.

vancejohnson82
10-19-2011, 09:11 PM
Well, the good thing about sucking is that you aren't shoe horned into drafting for position. You can take the best guy available. That really gives you a wide target to get a hit.

That's true for the second round as well.

yea, its something we are unfortunately getting used to....its a much quicker reward too

this year its been so much fun to watch Von Miller make an impact in year one...when was the last time we had a rookie show up in the first half of his rookie year and make an impact like that

my worry would be that Richardson would try to run too much like he does in college....kind of like Ingram over in New Orleans

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 09:24 PM
yea, its something we are unfortunately getting used to....its a much quicker reward too

this year its been so much fun to watch Von Miller make an impact in year one...when was the last time we had a rookie show up in the first half of his rookie year and make an impact like that

my worry would be that Richardson would try to run too much like he does in college....kind of like Ingram over in New Orleans

I have seen Richardson a few times this season, so I'd defer to an Alabama guy as to for deeper understanding. He looks explosive, but then again Moreno looked explosive at Georgia.

Personally, I'd rather see the Broncos take the best front 7 defensive player available, but I wouldnt be upset if they took the best back.

Baba Booey
10-19-2011, 09:47 PM
Getting Richardson would be awesome. Dude is legit.

If he's gone or we go with D, another guy we should look at with our second rounder (if he leaves college, which might be unlikely) is Lamar Miller.

Elite speed and elusiveness, hits the hole hard, and has the size to be an every-down back (5'11" ~200).

Carmelo15
10-19-2011, 10:12 PM
Getting Richardson would be awesome. Dude is legit.

If he's gone or we go with D, another guy we should look at with our second rounder (if he leaves college, which might be unlikely) is Lamar Miller.

Elite speed and elusiveness, hits the hole hard, and has the size to be an every-down back (5'11" ~200).

Lamar Miller is definitely legit. Dude has the kind of elite speed and vision that make backs in this league special

broncosteven
10-19-2011, 10:14 PM
I am hoping TImmy pans out at Qb so we can have another great Defensive draft

SoCalBronco
10-19-2011, 10:15 PM
Lamar Miller is definitely legit. Dude has the kind of elite speed and vision that make backs in this league special

Lamar Miller needs to improve his strength and between the tackles game to be a great NFL RB. He could also become a better reciever out of the backfield. He could be anywhere from Tatum Bell to Chris Johnson. He needs another season in college.

vancejohnson82
10-19-2011, 10:17 PM
Lamar Miller needs to improve his strength and between the tackles game to be a great NFL RB. He could also become a better reciever out of the backfield. He could be anywhere from Tatum Bell to Chris Johnson. He needs another season in college.

Chris Johnson looks like Tatum Bell this year...

good thing he got that $$$$ this offseason

Carmelo15
10-19-2011, 11:01 PM
Lamar Miller needs to improve his strength and between the tackles game to be a great NFL RB. He could also become a better reciever out of the backfield. He could be anywhere from Tatum Bell to Chris Johnson. He needs another season in college.

SoCal I agree he's not as polished as Trent Richardson for example. But that's not who he is. While he doesn't have great strength like an AP or Steven Jackson, his strength is certainly adequate to be a great NFL RB. His strength is on a whole other level than Tatum Bell's. Not to mention his agility, vision and speed. This guy is Clinton Portis 2.0. Im not just saying that because they're from the []_[] either. If watched every play for Miami this year, as I'm sure you have as well. When I watch this guy I see a special player. There's no question his greatest asset is his speed, but he is not a pure speed back. He is becoming a complete back this year. Even though he runs a 4.3 I dont like the Chris Johnson comparison either. He's more Clinton Portis to Darren McFadden in my eyes

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2011, 11:17 PM
SoCal I agree he's not as polished as Trent Richardson for example. But that's not who he is. While he doesn't have great strength like an AP or Steven Jackson, his strength is certainly adequate to be a great NFL RB. His strength is on a whole other level than Tatum Bell's. Not to mention his agility, vision and speed. This guy is Clinton Portis 2.0. Im not just saying that because they're from the []_[] either. If watched every play for Miami this year, as I'm sure you have as well. When I watch this guy I see a special player. There's no question his greatest asset is his speed, but he is not a pure speed back. He is becoming a complete back this year. Even though he runs a 4.3 I dont like the Chris Johnson comparison either. He's more Clinton Portis to Darren McFadden in my eyes

I read on a draft preview website that Miller might be a first round pick. Not that those guys know anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

cutthemdown
10-20-2011, 01:03 AM
Most of the Mocks don't have any DT going in the top 10 picks. The player who I would really like to see in Denver is Vontaz Burfict, MLB AZ ST. He's so mean it's ridiculous. Put a stud next to Miller and watch our linebackers get back to being among the best in the NFL.

cutthemdown
10-20-2011, 01:04 AM
Chris Johnson looks like Tatum Bell this year...

good thing he got that $$$$ this offseason

You really think he won't bust out still? He's off to a slow start but he will get it going.

vancejohnson82
10-20-2011, 04:34 AM
You really think he won't bust out still? He's off to a slow start but he will get it going.

I dont think its neccessarily all him....the line is pretty bad and teams are stacking the box and making Hasselbeck beat them, which is why his numbers look pretty good this year...the loss of Britt hurt them big time, IMO...I don't see him going over 1000 yards this year

BroncoInferno
10-20-2011, 08:09 AM
No on Richardson. There will be a lot of depth at RB in the 2012 draft. We don't need to take one in the 1st round. 2nd or 3rd, sure, but not the 1st.

TonyR
10-20-2011, 08:13 AM
Are you that tired of the actual season already?

Yes, clearly we need some more Tebow and "Suck for Luck" threads. You should start one!

broncswin
10-20-2011, 08:15 AM
Most of the Mocks don't have any DT going in the top 10 picks. The player who I would really like to see in Denver is Vontaz Burfict, MLB AZ ST. He's so mean it's ridiculous. Put a stud next to Miller and watch our linebackers get back to being among the best in the NFL.

that guy is outta control...he may get us 3 personal fouls a game :rofl:

Old Dude
10-20-2011, 08:17 AM
Are you that tired of the actual season already?

*raises hand*

bendog
10-20-2011, 08:20 AM
that guy is outta control...he may get us 3 personal fouls a game :rofl:

He's just an excitable boy

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nmSkW9PcBxw/SbAYeMOTtZI/AAAAAAAAAAc/3V1g72vcblg/s1600/maddog.jpg

DeuceOfClub
10-20-2011, 08:38 AM
If he's a total bust we might sign him in 2017.

pricejj
10-20-2011, 08:53 AM
Most of the Mocks don't have any DT going in the top 10 picks. The player who I would really like to see in Denver is Vontaz Burfict, MLB AZ ST. He's so mean it's ridiculous. Put a stud next to Miller and watch our linebackers get back to being among the best in the NFL.

I don't think we look at Burfict unless we are drafting in the 12-20 range...even then I would prefer Brandon Thompson at that level.

Vontaze Burfict - ILB - Jr. - Arizona State - 6'2.4", 250 lbs. - 4.67 forty time

2011: 36 tackles, 4 sacks (so far)
2010: 89 tackles, 0 sacks
2009: 61 tackles, 2 sacks


I watched a little tape, of him, and although intimidating and instinctual, I definitely wouldn't take him before pick #15 (maybe even in the mid 20's). Take into account the draft positions of these guys:

Ray Lewis: #25 overall, 2007
Jon Beason: #26 overall, 1996
Clay Matthews: #26 overall, 2009
D.J. Williams: #17 overall, 2004
Brian Urlacher: #9 overall, 2000

Oregon State's backup RB just dropped 171 yards on ASU, with the 3rd stringer getting 73...I don't know that Ray Lewis or Jon Beason has ever had that happen to a defense that they played on. I don't like spending high 1st round picks on LB's.

Requiem
10-20-2011, 09:19 AM
Anyone who has seen Burfict play knows that he is a ILB in a 3-4 system. That is where his value at. He would not do well here in Denver.

Requiem
10-20-2011, 09:20 AM
Lamar Miller needs to improve his strength and between the tackles game to be a great NFL RB. He could also become a better reciever out of the backfield. He could be anywhere from Tatum Bell to Chris Johnson. He needs another season in college.

I think you are right. Miller needs that other year that would have been valuable for Moreno to have had. It will allow him to develop his skills so he is much more NFL prepared. But as you see, I'm a big fan.

Br0nc0Buster
10-20-2011, 02:30 PM
Coples?

Ayers has shown enough to where we dont need to use a first to replace him
Ayers is already that guy who plays end and UT. We dont need another.
Although I think we could use another rotational rusher, we shouldnt spend higher than a 3rd on a DE

My guess is Morris Claiborne is prolly on their short list

I think corner will be a top priority, and he prolly is the best one

I also dont know what all this Burfict talk is about, he doesnt fit our scheme

cutthemdown
10-20-2011, 03:48 PM
I dont think its neccessarily all him....the line is pretty bad and teams are stacking the box and making Hasselbeck beat them, which is why his numbers look pretty good this year...the loss of Britt hurt them big time, IMO...I don't see him going over 1000 yards this year

100 bucks says he does go over 1000. The oline is actually filled with good players, no reason they shouldn't block well.

ZONA
10-21-2011, 03:51 AM
Quinton Coples will be considered the #1 defensive lineman in the draft:

Quinton Coples - Sr. - DE/DT - North Carolina - 6'5.6", 285 lbs. - 4.76 forty time

2011: 28 tackles, 3.5 sacks (so far)
2010: 59 tackles, 10 sacks
2009: 22 tackles, 5 sacks

Has shown consistency over college career, while playing all over the LOS. I think the Broncos will consider him their #1 priority in the draft (other than Luck).

Has the size to bulk up a bit and play UT, can be interchangeable on the line with Robert Ayers, playing either DE or DT...

At initial glance, you might not consider him to be the top target because of his size (285 lbs.), however consider that he is 6'5.6" and can put on 15 lbs. if necessary. He is an animal on the line, but does he have the size to hold up against the run game on the inside?

Coples is a better prospect than Brandon Thompson (DT, Clemson) due to superior height and production...do we play him at DT?

Would definitely add talent to the Broncos DL, and will be highly sought after, possibly going #2 overall...

6'6 is too tall to play DT in the NFL. His pad level will always be too high going against NFL caliber Centers and Guards. I guarantee you will see him as a DE. I think the Broncos go for a lagit NT, not so much the interchangable guy.


In order of need

DT
MLB
CB

after that go with BPA

cutthemdown
10-21-2011, 03:56 AM
6'6 is too tall to play DT in the NFL. His pad level will always be too high going against NFL caliber Centers and Guards. I guarantee you will see him as a DE. I think the Broncos go for a lagit NT, not so much the interchangable guy.


In order of need

DT
MLB
CB

after that go with BPA

I don't follow college football a ton so I throw names out based mostly on what I read. That is why I don't argue much about it, mostly just say players that I have seen some of that look like they could be good. But I have read that not too many DT are projected in top 10, where Broncos no doubt will be. Not saying DT not a huge target, just saying it could be 2nd round, 3rd round, etc etc. Doesn't seem like last yr where you had a dareus etc.

barryr
10-21-2011, 05:29 AM
Way to early to early target players in a draft many months away. As for positions though, unless addressed in free agency, DL, CB, depth at LB, RB, depth at QB, and depth at OL are the primary needs.

pricejj
10-21-2011, 09:00 AM
6'6 is too tall to play DT in the NFL. His pad level will always be too high going against NFL caliber Centers and Guards. I guarantee you will see him as a DE. I think the Broncos go for a lagit NT, not so much the interchangable guy.


Quinton Coples - 6'5.6"
Albert Haynesworth - 6'5.5"
Kris Jenkins - 6'4.7"
Ty Warren - 6'4.5"
Haloti Ngata - 6'4.1"
Ndamukong Suh - 6'3.7"
Gerard Warren - 6'3.7"

Coples height isn't a deciding factor...he is a bit on the light side (285 lbs.)...He is currently playing UT at North Carolina. Looks like he has good functional strength, but can get washed out of plays occasionally...I think he is an elite prospect, and if he added 15 lbs., he may become a dominant player at the UT position in the NFL...

I agree, that he may be great at DE also...but he has been playing the last two years at UT.

Carmelo15
10-21-2011, 12:40 PM
Coples sounds like a better fit as a 3-4 DE

Requiem
10-22-2011, 02:52 PM
Inconsistent motor and effort. Pass.

iforgotmypassword
10-22-2011, 03:48 PM
Coples sounds like a better fit as a 3-4 DE

This just isnt true, he's a 4-3 DE period

Anyone watch the Clemson-NC game today??? Neither stood out to me, if an Dlineman stood out it was the true freshman DE for Clemson, #1 recruit in the nation last year.... kid was in beastmode all day.

I wouldnt mind see any of the three Bama players, MLB (he's late 1st right now) Dre Kirkpatrick (sp) he's very very physical for a corner, or Richardson... I beleive in building lines first, defenses secound, but damn this kid is something else.

NFLBRONCO
10-22-2011, 04:38 PM
DT- need some we never draft any
MLB- huge need not in top 10 though
CB- Is Champ Bailey coming out

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 08:45 AM
Doesn't seem too many people are high on Trent Richardson here, I'm overwhelmed with the guy. Apparently the first round is top-heavy with offensive guys, so why force a guy like Burfict?

T-Rich is a stone cold beast ... he's everything Knowshon is not

Mogulseeker
10-23-2011, 08:51 AM
Quinton Coples will be considered the #1 defensive lineman in the draft:

Quinton Coples - Sr. - DE/DT - North Carolina - 6'5.6", 285 lbs. - 4.76 forty time

2011: 28 tackles, 3.5 sacks (so far)
2010: 59 tackles, 10 sacks
2009: 22 tackles, 5 sacks

Has shown consistency over college career, while playing all over the LOS. I think the Broncos will consider him their #1 priority in the draft (other than Luck).

Has the size to bulk up a bit and play UT, can be interchangeable on the line with Robert Ayers, playing either DE or DT...

At initial glance, you might not consider him to be the top target because of his size (285 lbs.), however consider that he is 6'5.6" and can put on 15 lbs. if necessary. He is an animal on the line, but does he have the size to hold up against the run game on the inside?

Coples is a better prospect than Brandon Thompson (DT, Clemson) due to superior height and production...do we play him at DT?

Would definitely add talent to the Broncos DL, and will be highly sought after, possibly going #2 overall...

What are his BP reps and high jump? Do we know that yet?

I'm on board with drafting a 285lb DT now that we've switched back to the 4-3.

I think the Broncos take a corner though.

ludo21
10-23-2011, 08:57 AM
Doesn't seem too many people are high on Trent Richardson here, I'm overwhelmed with the guy. Apparently the first round is top-heavy with offensive guys, so why force a guy like Burfict?

T-Rich is a stone cold beast ... he's everything Knowshon is not

indeed, I would love T Rich over Burfict.

Immediate impact player for us

Mogulseeker
10-23-2011, 08:59 AM
DT- need some we never draft any
MLB- huge need not in top 10 though
CB- Is Champ Bailey coming out

I think the Broncos will move Champ to SS eventually like they did with Tyrone Braxton.

BroncoBuff
10-23-2011, 09:19 AM
indeed, I would love T Rich over Burfict.

Immediate impact player for us

Yep ... I was off there btw, lots of guys are high on T-Rich. His presence would allow Knowshon to be just the third down back.