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MABroncoFan
10-18-2011, 07:04 AM
JayGlazer Jay Glazer
The Raiders & Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to OAK for a first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional pick in future
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TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-18-2011, 07:09 AM
Wow. I did not think Mike Brown would back down.

toad
10-18-2011, 07:09 AM
First rounder hard to turn down, I'm sure....

go_broncos
10-18-2011, 07:10 AM
and we are stuck with Kyle Orton..

bowtown
10-18-2011, 07:10 AM
If the Bengals do not make that trade, Mike Brown is the biggest idiot in the history of sports.

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 07:10 AM
1st rounder? What picks do the Raiders have left for next year?

edog24
10-18-2011, 07:11 AM
And we miss out again.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:11 AM
if that is true the Raiders are getting raped. at this point Carson Palmer wouldn't even be an upgrade to Quinn on our shaky QB depth chart.

i know there is the rivalry but if the Raiders are just willing to throw away some picks get on the phone with Denver about Orton. he is not a long term solution, but he will be a far better aquisition and much cheaper than Palmer.

TonyR
10-18-2011, 07:12 AM
1st rounder? Can the Raiders be this stupid? Palmer is so close to being washed up and they think he's worth a 1st round pick?!?

jhns
10-18-2011, 07:12 AM
LOL @ the raiders. A first for a horrible QB? Good for us!

BroncoInferno
10-18-2011, 07:12 AM
Not surprising that Brown would reconsider his principles in exchange for a 1st rounder. Palmer hasn't played well in several years. Still, a change of scenery might rejuvenate him. Let's hope not.

edog24
10-18-2011, 07:13 AM
if that is true the Raiders are getting raped. at this point Carson Palmer wouldn't even be an upgrade to Quinn on our shaky QB depth chart.

i know there is the rivalry but if the Raiders are just willing to throw away some picks get on the phone with Denver about Orton. he is not a long term solution, but he will be a far better aquisition and much cheaper than Palmer.

On the phone? Our FO is busy getting pizzas and watching reruns of the drive, high fiving over our awesome new 6th round draft pick! :strong:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-18-2011, 07:14 AM
and we are stuck with Kyle Orton..

http://unitedmw.com/images/211_kleenex.jpg

Time to let go, kiddo.

Kaylore
10-18-2011, 07:16 AM
1st rounder? What picks do the Raiders have left for next year?

Very few. They must really think they're going to win the super bowl this year. Emotionally they want to for Al but they aren't there yet and if they burn all their ammo on supplemental picks and past their prime, overrated QB's who haven't played in a year, they are going to be disappointed.

Having said that. He is absolutely an upgrade over Jason "I-can't-work-with-this" Campbell.

Frisian
10-18-2011, 07:18 AM
Nothing like giving a 1st and a conditional draft pick for a QB that has never been the same after a knee injury.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 07:19 AM
If the Bengals do not make that trade, Mike Brown is the biggest idiot in the history of sports.

That!

Hercules Rockefeller
10-18-2011, 07:19 AM
This board never ceases to amaze me. So now it's a reflection on the Broncos' FO if the Raiders go out and do something stupid and give up a 1st + for Carson Palmer?

Jesus, people here don't even need an actual reason to piss and moan, they just make up reasons.

Ray Finkle
10-18-2011, 07:19 AM
poo sticks.....that's a good return for a QB that hasn't picked up a football all season.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:21 AM
On the phone? Our FO is busy getting pizzas and watching reruns of the drive, high fiving over our awesome new 6th round draft pick! :strong:

don't forget the UDFA practice squad Safety we brought in. Xanders must have a raging hard on this morning for pulling off a coup like getting that 6th and some Bush.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 07:21 AM
if that is true the Raiders are getting raped. at this point Carson Palmer wouldn't even be an upgrade to Quinn on our shaky QB depth chart.

i know there is the rivalry but if the Raiders are just willing to throw away some picks get on the phone with Denver about Orton. he is not a long term solution, but he will be a far better aquisition and much cheaper than Palmer.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg0kccorXh1qzdyemo1_500.gif

go_broncos
10-18-2011, 07:21 AM
http://unitedmw.com/images/211_kleenex.jpg

Time to let go, kiddo.

THE Elusive KyleOrton..ROFL!

MABroncoFan
10-18-2011, 07:22 AM
mortreport Chris Mortensen
The 2013 pick is a conditional - it can become a first rounder based on playtime, other incentives. Plus the 2012 first rounder
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TheReverend
10-18-2011, 07:23 AM
mortreport Chris Mortensen
The 2013 pick is a conditional - it can become a first rounder based on playtime, other incentives. Plus the 2012 first rounder
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Holy effing balls!

This is potentially Cutler compensation...

edog24
10-18-2011, 07:24 AM
Jesus christ, one would imagine we could have got the same for the sloth. Even a bit less would have been acceptable.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:25 AM
If the Bengals do not make that trade, Mike Brown is the biggest idiot in the history of sports.

i thought that had already been established with Brown. the guy makes Matt Millen look good at his job.

we are talking about a guy who wouldn't trade Ocho Cinco for i believe it was 2-1st round picks a few years back and settled on a mid rounder for him this year.

has been sitting on Palmer when there were many extremely lucrative offers for him last year that probably were as good if not better than this supposed deal with the Raiders.

we are in a bad place with Xanders but luckily we don't have Brown.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 07:26 AM
Jesus christ, one would imagine we could have got the same for the sloth. Even a bit less would have been acceptable.

How exactly could one imagine that...?

alkemical
10-18-2011, 07:26 AM
How exactly could one imagine that...?

Drugs...good ones. Not that cheap ****.

edog24
10-18-2011, 07:27 AM
How exactly could one imagine that...?

Well, an in division rival, someone who has been playing football, those come to mind for me as upsides over palmer..

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-18-2011, 07:28 AM
THE Elusive KyleOrton..ROFL!

We all know you're retarded. No need to celebrate the point.

crush17
10-18-2011, 07:28 AM
Raiders would only have a 5 and 6 in the draft if this went down. Terrible idea.

MABroncoFan
10-18-2011, 07:28 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
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edog24
10-18-2011, 07:30 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
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Wow, that's a score for the bungles!

oubronco
10-18-2011, 07:31 AM
Has Palmer even said he would play for the Raiders?

Ray Finkle
10-18-2011, 07:33 AM
Well, an in division rival, someone who has been playing football, those come to mind for me as upsides over palmer..

Warren Moon is an upgrade over Orton....Denver would be lucky to get a 3rd....

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:33 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg0kccorXh1qzdyemo1_500.gif

seriously think about it.

think how bad Palmer was the last time he was on the field. add onto that a semi retirement/extended period away from the game situation where it is probable that he hasn't been working to be in football shape, and a new coaching staff, new playbook, new teammates and it is a recipe to suck. at least with Quinn he is in shape has gotten regular work in practice setting and has not been away from football for as long as Palmer.

McDman
10-18-2011, 07:33 AM
Two first rounders for a QB who hasn't played in half a year and hasn't played well since his knee was shot to hell. Al Davis' ghost is loving this trade,

alkemical
10-18-2011, 07:35 AM
Has Palmer even said he would play for the Raiders?

It's kinda like going back "home" to USC, no?

edog24
10-18-2011, 07:35 AM
Warren Moon is an upgrade over Orton....Denver would be lucky to get a 3rd....

Hey I would have taken that!

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:37 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
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that is an amazing haul. that is straight up rape. the league should look at that trade and deny it going through because it is absolutely one of the worst deals i have ever seen made in the NFL.

Requiem
10-18-2011, 07:39 AM
I'm actually really happy for Bengals fans. LOL!

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:39 AM
Warren Moon is an upgrade over Orton....Denver would be lucky to get a 3rd....

SOLD!!!!

srphoenix
10-18-2011, 07:43 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
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thats straight up crazy, one 1st would've been a bad trade in itself, now they're doing it for 2 1sts. Good to know that the Raiders continue to be the Raiders even after Al Davis is gone.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 07:43 AM
I'm actually really happy for Bengals fans. LOL!

even Bengals fans are probably reading this news and wondering what kind of drugs the Raiders front office are on that they would ever give up that much for their washed up shell of his former self QB.

watch, Bengals fans are going to be so happy about this trade and then Palmer is going to fail his physical

Ray Finkle
10-18-2011, 07:44 AM
Hey I would have taken that!

would be Lucky....I think Denver would have jumped to move him for that. If he was traded, I expect along the lines of Lloyd.

Requiem
10-18-2011, 07:46 AM
even Bengals fans are probably reading this news and wondering what kind of drugs the Raiders front office are on that they would ever give up that much for their washed up shell of his former self QB.

watch, Bengals fans are going to be so happy about this trade and then Palmer is going to fail his physical

I'm browsing their boards and it seems that they cannot believe Mike Brown and the FO are working in harmony and something actually got done.

At the very least -- a first and a second. Quite a haul for Palmer at this point in his career.

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 07:48 AM
Oakland's 2012 NFL Draft:
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)

2013 NFL Draft:
1st round(Or 2nd round)- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)

s0phr0syne
10-18-2011, 07:50 AM
Just win, indeed.

Dagmar
10-18-2011, 07:50 AM
Oakland's 2012 NFL Draft:
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)

2013 NFL Draft:
1st round(Or 2nd round)- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)


They'll get conditionals for Asom and Gallery.

StugotsIII
10-18-2011, 07:51 AM
The Raiders are RETARDED.

They trade a 4th round pick for Jason Campbell (good value)

They burn a 3rd round pick on Terrelle Pryor (a multi year project)

Campbell gets hurt

They burn 1 1st round pick on Carson Palmer….and often injured underachiever that could turn into 2 1st round picks.

Then what happens when Campbell is healthy? What happens when Pryor is ready to compete?

Palmer=Orton
Campbell=Quinn
Pryor=Tebow

Requiem
10-18-2011, 07:51 AM
Oakland's 2012 NFL Draft:
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)

2013 NFL Draft:
1st round(Or 2nd round)- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)

Are you ****ing serious? Ha!

fontaine
10-18-2011, 07:52 AM
unreal

yerner
10-18-2011, 07:54 AM
Sweet. 2 firsts for a guy that has sucked for years.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 07:55 AM
seriously think about it.

think how bad Palmer was the last time he was on the field. add onto that a semi retirement/extended period away from the game situation where it is probable that he hasn't been working to be in football shape, and a new coaching staff, new playbook, new teammates and it is a recipe to suck. at least with Quinn he is in shape has gotten regular work in practice setting and has not been away from football for as long as Palmer.

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

4k yards over 60% completion and 26 TDs on a piss poor team in the AFCN is "bad"?

Wish we could get our hands on a "bad" QB then...

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 07:56 AM
They'll get conditionals for Asom and Gallery.

They'll probably get 2 3rd round comp picks and probably another comp pick as well.
They lost Gallery, Aso and Zach Miller(who signed a retarded $17 mil guaranteed contract with Seattle and has a whopping 6 receptions for them this year I think).

And they have a 6th rounder.
So basically they'll end up probably with 2 3rds, a 4th/5th and a 6th.

oubronco
10-18-2011, 07:57 AM
Just win baby

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 07:58 AM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

4k yards over 60% completion and 26 TDs on a piss poor team in the AFCN is "bad"?

Wish we could get our hands on a "bad" QB then...

So nice of you to leave out the 20 interceptions he threw and 7 fumbles.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 07:59 AM
So nice of you to leave out the 20 interceptions he threw and 7 fumbles.

Anxiously awaiting your point?

baja
10-18-2011, 07:59 AM
Two #1 picks for a QB with question marks

A 6th or maybe a 5th for a know and producing #1 receiver


Way to go FEX

bendog
10-18-2011, 08:00 AM
Absolutely. EFX can't rape a team like Mike Brown. I WEEP!!!!

Stagger Lee
10-18-2011, 08:00 AM
A first and a conditional first for Palmer? It seems the reports of Al Davis' demise have been greatly exaggerated. I would have been happy as hell with a 4th for Orton.

B-Love
10-18-2011, 08:07 AM
Holy Hairgrease!! Greasy Al still making deals from the afterworld!

Mike Brown looks more than competent here. Stuck to his guns, looks like he has one of the best young passing combos in Dalton-Green, and got wayyyy to much for Palmer.

Well done Mike Brown.

zdoor
10-18-2011, 08:08 AM
Wow! That is crazy. The Bengals scored....

WolfpackGuy
10-18-2011, 08:08 AM
Where's that worst QB in the division thread?

Pony Boy
10-18-2011, 08:08 AM
Didn't anyone tell the Raiders Orton gives them their best chance to win?

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 08:09 AM
Anxiously awaiting your point?

So you'd take a QB who causes well over 20 turnovers a year and gets a lot of yards/TD's in garbage time? Cool story bro.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 08:19 AM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

4k yards over 60% completion and 26 TDs on a piss poor team in the AFCN is "bad"?

Wish we could get our hands on a "bad" QB then...

numbers are misleading. the 20 INTs he threw and 3 fumbles he lost last season aren't factored in. the fact that he is a shell of what he once was is not factored in. nor is his 4-12 record in 2010 which definitely led to inflated passing numbers due to trying to play catch up in games.

numbers are a bad indicator of ability. hell last season Orton was throwing up near a NFL record passing performance early in the season. he has averaged something like 250+ yards passing as a Bronco. his TD numbers have been decent, turnover numbers low, but he is far from being an elite QB and our record shows that, same as it does with Pamler

fontaine
10-18-2011, 08:22 AM
All of this is true. But even a faded Palmer gives the fade the best QB they've had since Gannon.

Still at that price? I'm having a hard time believing it.

BroncoBen
10-18-2011, 08:22 AM
Holy Hairgrease!! Greasy Al still making deals from the afterworld!

Mike Brown looks more than competent here. Stuck to his guns, looks like he has one of the best young passing combos in Dalton-Green, and got wayyyy to much for Palmer.

Well done Mike Brown.

'WINNING'.. is the new motto for the Bengals. Well looking at the positive.. I am sure Palmer will burn out and be the QB who he really is. "No SuperBowl for you.. Raiders".

If they would have traded for Orton, now they would have had something. Orton knows the AFC West, so that gives them the edge to get into the playoffs.. And with the Running game and Defense they have.. they could have made some noise in the playoffs.

Again... the Raiders Suck.

bronco militia
10-18-2011, 08:23 AM
oh wow,...thank god the raiders still suck. Just a brutal trade for Bengals. They've won 3 straight (should be 4) and have two terrific rookies with Green and Dalton.

hopefully Mr. Brown at least gave the Raiders a 'reach around'

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 08:24 AM
A first and a conditional first for Palmer? It seems the reports of Al Davis' demise have been greatly exaggerated. I would have been happy as hell with a 4th for Orton.

idk. Davis had some head scratching moves, but i don't recall anything this back asswards going down with that franchise when he was aline. yes he made some bad calls. Heyward Bey over Crabtree, Jamarcus Russell, whatever went ow with Gruden, hiring Lane Kiffin, but even i think if that dude were alive he would never have ok'd a deal lik this one.

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 08:24 AM
Its funny how the Raiders fan base is split on this move.
Checking the raider boards, and some are actually saying this is a great move and worth the risk. Saying how "they'd take a known rather than an unknown in the draft" as well as saying their team is young anyways, why need to add more youth.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 08:25 AM
So you'd take a QB who causes well over 20 turnovers a year and gets a lot of yards/TD's in garbage time? Cool story bro.

Out of 16 games only 4 were decided by more than 1 score.

Try again, please.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 08:26 AM
numbers are misleading. the 20 INTs he threw and 3 fumbles he lost last season aren't factored in. the fact that he is a shell of what he once was is not factored in. nor is his 4-12 record in 2010 which definitely led to inflated passing numbers due to trying to play catch up in games.

numbers are a bad indicator of ability. hell last season Orton was throwing up near a NFL record passing performance early in the season. he has averaged something like 250+ yards passing as a Bronco. his TD numbers have been decent, turnover numbers low, but he is far from being an elite QB and our record shows that, same as it does with Pamler

Oh okay! His "4-12" record then? That's what shows he's "sucked for years"?

How convenient you ignored his 10-6 division winning season one year prior.

strafen
10-18-2011, 08:27 AM
Damn!
Don't call them Cincinnada any more... Ha!

ColoradoBuff
10-18-2011, 08:28 AM
wow Cincy ass-raped the Raiders! wow!

Kaylore
10-18-2011, 08:31 AM
Two firsts for Palmer?

Epic fail.

baja
10-18-2011, 08:33 AM
When Campbell went down the Raiders new brain trust must have pondered what to do with someone finally saying "What would Al do"? Than they did the deal.

mile7high7
10-18-2011, 08:33 AM
Oh okay! His "4-12" record then? That's what shows he's "sucked for years"?

How convenient you ignored his 10-6 division winning season one year prior.

Are you arguing that he doesn't suck, or that the Raiders didnt get crushed in this trade.

Palmer is not worth 1 first, let alone potentially 2, no matter how its spun.

But I agree he doesn't Kyle Orton/Brady Quinn suck...

bendog
10-18-2011, 08:34 AM
Lessens their comptetive advantage stemming from McD's "drafts." Meanwhile the chorfs have their own "McD" and SD is falling slowly back to mediocrity. If only Tebow can be better than Sanchez.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 08:35 AM
Are you arguing that he doesn't suck, or that the Raiders didnt get crushed in this trade.

Palmer is not worth 1 first, let alone potentially 2, no matter how its spun.

But I agree he doesn't Kyle Orton/Brady Quinn suck...

1. He certainly doesn't suck.

2. That's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm responding to THIS post:

if that is true the Raiders are getting raped. at this point Carson Palmer wouldn't even be an upgrade to Quinn on our shaky QB depth chart.

i know there is the rivalry but if the Raiders are just willing to throw away some picks get on the phone with Denver about Orton. he is not a long term solution, but he will be a far better aquisition and much cheaper than Palmer.

^ That's completely asanine.

B-Love
10-18-2011, 08:37 AM
The Bengals haven't hurt the Raiders this much since they yanked Bo Jackson's hip out of it's socket.

Ray Finkle
10-18-2011, 08:38 AM
1. He certainly doesn't suck.

2. That's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm responding to THIS post:



^ That's completely asanine.

I'm going to agree with Rev....Palmer is a shell of his former self but is still better than Orton...let alone Quinn.

bowtown
10-18-2011, 08:38 AM
Here's a picture of Palmer getting the news from his agent:

http://img.tgfb.net/toon/src/131034446227.jpg

bendog
10-18-2011, 08:38 AM
The Bengals haven't hurt the Raiders this much since they yanked Bo Jackson's hip out of it's socket.

OUCH! I laughed but didn't feel good about it.

edog24
10-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Lol, thanks for that. Better start them situps!

fontaine
10-18-2011, 08:39 AM
I'm with Rev one this one.

If Palmer is in any kind of football shape then he's an upgrade over the Ortons of this world.

With the kind of pass protection/run game Oakland has, I can see him doing really well as long as he's kept himself in shape.

Still not worth the compensation by any means but if it gets the Raiders into the playoffs for the next two/three years then who's to say.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 08:42 AM
I'm with Rev one this one.

If Palmer is in any kind of football shape then he's an upgrade over the Ortons of this world.

With the kind of pass protection/run game Oakland has, I can see him doing really well as long as he's kept himself in shape.

Still not worth the compensation by any means but if it gets the Raiders into the playoffs for the next two/three years then who's to say.

Precisely.

I wouldn't have traded even 1 first.

...but he's still a very good (and more importantly, very smart) football player with a strong supporting cast in Oakland and a MONSTER upgrade over Campbell.

This is not good for Denver fans.

Bigdawg26
10-18-2011, 08:44 AM
Wow! Aaron Brooks 2.0! Except this time they gave up two first rounders for a washed up QB with a strong arm.

HooptyHoops
10-18-2011, 08:45 AM
Palmer is good....but, 2 1st good? Yep, I think Cinci won the trade, but let's hope Carson is truely washed up, as the last thing the Broncos need is another great QB in the division!

Rohirrim
10-18-2011, 08:48 AM
If you thought Campbell couldn't avoid the rush, wait until you see Palmer. I doubt he lasts a game.

bowtown
10-18-2011, 08:48 AM
Precisely.

I wouldn't have traded even 1 first.

...but he's still a very good (and more importantly, very smart) football player with a strong supporting cast in Oakland and a MONSTER upgrade over Campbell.

This is not good for Denver fans.

I don't think it's terrible news. If I had to choose between the Raiders having Palmer or two 1st--considering their improved non-al davis drafting-- I think Palmer is the lesser of the evils, especially for Denver, who doesn't really have to worry about consequential games against the Raiders this season and possibly next.

BroncoInferno
10-18-2011, 08:48 AM
I wonder if Oakland will start Palmer on Sunday vs. KC on a short week of practice? They have their bye week next, so they could opt to wait until after that. On the other hand, I imagine even a rusty Palmer with only 3 days of studying the playbook would be a massive upgrade over Boller.

Rohirrim
10-18-2011, 08:49 AM
Two firsts for Palmer?

Epic fail.

Does this mean Zombie Greasy Al is in charge now?

Dagmar
10-18-2011, 08:49 AM
http://p.twimg.com/AcDGGYfCEAA5wxA.png

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 08:55 AM
I don't think it's terrible news. If I had to choose between the Raiders having Palmer or two 1st--considering their improved non-al davis drafting-- I think Palmer is the lesser of the evils, especially for Denver, who doesn't really have to worry about consequential games against the Raiders this season and possibly next.

I'd rather they kept the picks.

Remember how hard Bronco fans laughed when they grabbed Seymour...

crush17
10-18-2011, 08:56 AM
What if Palmer gets hurt too? Yowza...

maher_tyler
10-18-2011, 08:57 AM
All i'm going to say is that he is better than Campbell. I see the Raiders winning the division at 10-6/11-5.

I just puked...:raidersux

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 08:57 AM
What if Palmer gets hurt too? Yowza...

THEN we lol.

Forever.

Dagmar
10-18-2011, 08:57 AM
What if Palmer gets hurt too? Yowza...

Hilarity ensues? Pryor in?

baja
10-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Anyone know what the conditions are for that second 1st?

pricejj
10-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Carson Palmer is a MAJOR upgrade over Jason Campbell. A 2-time probowler, somehow making Cincy relevant. If Palmer can stay healthy, look for the Raiders to be in the playoffs for years to come.

bowtown
10-18-2011, 09:04 AM
I'd rather they kept the picks.



Not me. Let's keep a tally on this.

BroncoLifer
10-18-2011, 09:05 AM
If the Bengals do not make that trade, Mike Brown is the biggest idiot in the history of sports.

Who says he isn't already?

mile7high7
10-18-2011, 09:05 AM
1. He certainly doesn't suck.

2. That's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm responding to THIS post:



^ That's completely asanine.

Just curious, what would you suggest is fair compensation for Palmer, and where do you place him as a QB. Top 10? Top 15? Top 20? etc...

In my mind...in no order

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Schaub, Vick, Manning (eli), Romo, Stafford, Cam, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Freeman, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan, Hasselbeck, Bradford,
Fitzpatrick.

I could see an arguement about Flacco, or Ryan, on a this year basis, but I would still take them over Palmer.


That puts him around #19, although I may have forgotten a player or two...
And arguments can certainly be made about others like Kolb, Alex Smith, Dalton, etc

Smiling Assassin27
10-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Wow, an in-season trade for a starting qb due to injury. This just doesn't happen. Crazy how that supply and demand thing works, particularly in a CBA/off-season like the one we just had. Just crazy.

rbackfactory80
10-18-2011, 09:06 AM
This could work out to be a good move for the Raiders. Carson Palmer is far from finished in the NFL.

Bad news for the Broncos.

go_broncos
10-18-2011, 09:07 AM
What if Palmer gets hurt too? Yowza...

Never wish injury..what will we do if Tebow gets injured next week?

Rohirrim
10-18-2011, 09:09 AM
Never wish injury..what will we do if Tebow gets injured next week?

No problemo. We've got Orton. ;D

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Carson Palmer is a MAJOR upgrade over Jason Campbell. A 2-time probowler, somehow making Cincy relevant. If Palmer can stay healthy, look for the Raiders to be in the playoffs for years to come.

Palmer's had 2 major injuries in his career and hasn't been anything more than just average at best the past 4 years. Plus he'll be 32 in December with a huge contract.
To me, this would be like if we somehow got a team to bite on Orton for just 1 1st round pick.

TheChamp24
10-18-2011, 09:15 AM
No problemo. We've got Orton. ;D

If Tebow goes down and Orton comes in, I fully expect him to play the worst a QB can ever play.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 09:18 AM
Just curious, what would you suggest is fair compensation for Palmer, and where do you place him as a QB. Top 10? Top 15? Top 20? etc...

In my mind...in no order

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Schaub, Vick, Manning (eli), Romo, Stafford, Cam, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Freeman, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan, Hasselbeck, Bradford,
Fitzpatrick.

I could see an arguement about Flacco, or Ryan, on a this year basis, but I would still take them over Palmer.


That puts him around #19, although I may have forgotten a player or two...
And arguments can certainly be made about others like Kolb, Alex Smith, Dalton, etc

Top 15, imo with potential to go just outside top 5.

I would've given a 2nd in Oaklands shoes.

pricejj
10-18-2011, 09:20 AM
Just curious, what would you suggest is fair compensation for Palmer, and where do you place him as a QB. Top 10? Top 15? Top 20? etc...

In my mind...in no order

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Schaub, Vick, Manning (eli), Romo, Stafford, Cam, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Freeman, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan, Hasselbeck, Bradford,
Fitzpatrick.

I could see an arguement about Flacco, or Ryan, on a this year basis, but I would still take them over Palmer.


That puts him around #19, although I may have forgotten a player or two...
And arguments can certainly be made about others like Kolb, Alex Smith, Dalton, etc

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
5. Manning (when he comes back)
5. Rivers
6. Roethlisberger
7. Ryan
8. Cutler
9. Palmer
10. Stafford

ward63
10-18-2011, 09:24 AM
I just don't understand how you mortgage your future. They may get some high comp picks for Gallery and Nndami though. I'm assuming that is what they are banking on.

chevy369
10-18-2011, 09:28 AM
Oakland's 2012 NFL Draft:
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)

2013 NFL Draft:
1st round(Or 2nd round)- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)

They are winning...

theStifmeister
10-18-2011, 09:32 AM
people are nuts for putting carson palmer in your top 25 at that. Doesn't know the offense, hasn't been practicing, and my favorite-has been outplayed by Andy Dalton. Haha become a Raider or stay retired..Hard decision

Play2win
10-18-2011, 09:34 AM
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
5. Manning (when he comes back)
5. Rivers
6. Roethlisberger
7. Ryan
8. Cutler
9. Palmer
10. Stafford

Actually, I think you can put Palmer, along with Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Cutler all in the same group. In fact, in many ways, they are all the same QB.

That is, if Palmer returns to form, and his heart is back in it.

HAT
10-18-2011, 09:40 AM
"at this point Carson Palmer wouldn't even be an upgrade to Quinn on our shaky QB depth chart."

1. He certainly doesn't suck.

2. That's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm responding to THIS post:



^ That's completely asanine.

No, it's not.

With 11 to play and this team finally getting an extended look at Tebow starting, how can you argue that Palmer on the roster would be a good thing for the Denver Broncos...AT THIS POINT. (Regardless of the cost)


Bman4ever's OP is 100% correct....And I love Palmer.

McDman
10-18-2011, 09:40 AM
I went over 2,000 posts and forgot to congratulate myself,

Congrats!

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 09:42 AM
"at this point Carson Palmer wouldn't even be an upgrade to Quinn on our shaky QB depth chart."



No, it's not.

With 11 to play and this team finally getting an extended look at Tebow starting, how can you argue that Palmer on the roster would be a good thing for the Denver Broncos...AT THIS POINT. (Regardless of the cost)


Bman4ever's OP is 100% correct....And I love Palmer.

I'm concerned you may have pulled something reaching for that one.

Ray Finkle
10-18-2011, 09:48 AM
I went over 2,000 posts and forgot to congratulate myself,

Congrats!

ATTENTION WHORE!


congrats...

TheDave
10-18-2011, 09:50 AM
It's a QB starved league. Has been for a very long time, If you have a good one, winning games is a lot easier. If not, you better do everything possible to get one.

I agree that 2 #1's is a steep price to pay. On the other hand, I'd give up the next VMiller/DThomas* for a 31 year old top 10ish QB in a second. IMO the raiders are doing the right thing for a change and this probably isn't good news for us....






* just grabbing the last 2 #1's that didn't play QB

Rolandftw
10-18-2011, 09:51 AM
lol @ all the hate Orton gets here. Yet, Orton's worth at least a first rounder if Palmer is worth two.

Comedy gold.

BroncoInferno
10-18-2011, 09:53 AM
The 2013 selection reportedly will be a first-round pick if Oakland wins one or more playoff game this season. Otherwise, the Raiders will send a second-rounder to Cincinnati.

http://nfl.si.com/2011/10/18/raiders-snag-carson-palmer-from-bengals/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp

HAT
10-18-2011, 09:53 AM
I'm concerned you may have pulled something reaching for that one.

Reading comprehension my friend. "At this point" & "Our" being key qualifiers to his point.

He was in no way, shape or form calling Quinn a better QB than Palmer. Surprised you were the only one who took it that way.

TheDave
10-18-2011, 09:55 AM
lol @ all the hate Orton gets here. Yet, Orton's worth at least a first rounder if Palmer is worth two.

Comedy gold.

Speaking of comedy gold LOL

broncogary
10-18-2011, 09:55 AM
lol @ all the hate Orton gets here. Yet, Orton's worth at least a first rounder if Palmer is worth two.

Comedy gold.

And yet we have no offers. :Whaaaa!:

Rolandftw
10-18-2011, 10:02 AM
I meant Orton's worth at least a first rounder in the minds of some fans here. Many of the same fans that undoubtedly think he's one of the worst QB's in the league. Obviously, he's not or we would have had some offer.

Play2win
10-18-2011, 10:03 AM
This did happen?!?

Oh, fxck... :(


We get rid of Lloyd, and the _aiders get Carson Palmer all in the same week?!?

Talk about a serious influx of talent... all in the wrong direction!!!

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 10:07 AM
lol @ all the hate Orton gets here. Yet, Orton's worth at least a first rounder if Palmer is worth two.

Comedy gold.

The open market literally disproved this...

DrFate
10-18-2011, 10:09 AM
The open market literally disproved this...

It's kind of funny that these posters ignore the fact that any team in the league could have had Orton for a 3rd (had they met his contract extension demands)

Kind of...

DrFate
10-18-2011, 10:10 AM
Of course, it's also kind of funny that people will say

'He sucks!'

and

'He's worth a first round pick!!'

And it will be the same poster...

Rolandftw
10-18-2011, 10:15 AM
That was my point, DrFate.

Broncos deal Orton, if they get even a 7th rounder for him probably.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 10:16 AM
Reading comprehension my friend. "At this point" & "Our" being key qualifiers to his point.

He was in no way, shape or form calling Quinn a better QB than Palmer. Surprised you were the only one who took it that way.

At ANY point or ANYWHERE Quinn cannot match up to Palmer in ANY way, shape or form outside of homosexual poses, no matter how much extra time he would have in the system.

maven
10-18-2011, 10:19 AM
First thought that had come to my head. Luck is worth at least 3 first round picks now.

Second thought, Raiders are going for it. The compensation is steep. Is Carson good enough to get the Raiders to the Super Bowl?

Popps
10-18-2011, 10:19 AM
Tough to get much value for
A QB after demoting him.

As for Palmer, what a steal for Cinci. Unreal.

broncocalijohn
10-18-2011, 10:21 AM
1st rounder? Can the Raiders be this stupid? Palmer is so close to being washed up and they think he's worth a 1st round pick?!?

Are they renting him or taking him to run the rest of the season? Seems Campbell was doing ok and not sure if they think Palmer will get them over the hump. Mike Brown can not pass up this deal of a 1st in 2012 and a possible 1st in the future. Our only hope is they are going the way of Jamarcus Russell and overspending. While I think the Palmer acquisition is not a bad one at all, they might be spending the future for possibly 6 weeks. I am a Palmer fan because of the SC connection but I hope this fails miserably for the Raiders.

boltaneer
10-18-2011, 10:24 AM
Well, things just got interesting again in the AFC West!

UberBroncoMan
10-18-2011, 10:24 AM
Raiders are officially legit.

maven
10-18-2011, 10:26 AM
As for Palmer, what a steal for Cinci. Unreal.

Considering Dalton is a 2nd round pick and Palmer might net the team two first round picks. Just wow.

bendog
10-18-2011, 10:31 AM
Considering Dalton is a 2nd round pick and Palmer might net the team two first round picks. Just wow.

Thank God Cinny seems to always screw it up.

HorseHead
10-18-2011, 10:39 AM
Raiders better win this year baby...

TonyR
10-18-2011, 10:46 AM
While I think the Palmer acquisition is not a bad one at all...

I have no problem with the acquisition. But the Bengals took them out behind the woodshed on compensation. Potentially two first round picks? That's preposterous, particularly for a team that isn't good enough to go to the Super Bowl anyway.

gyldenlove
10-18-2011, 10:50 AM
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bronco militia
10-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Palmer might be better than Orton....did Palmer fix his noodle arm this offseason? I think he's done.

ant1999e
10-18-2011, 11:17 AM
http://unitedmw.com/images/211_kleenex.jpg

Time to let go, kiddo.

It is time to let go, let go of your user name and avatar.

bendog
10-18-2011, 11:20 AM
Palmer might be better than Orton....did Palmer fix his noodle arm this offseason? I think he's done.

it's gonna be interesting to watch. I'm getting the nfl rewind for Tebow, but with Oak's defense and rush game ... how much does this guy have left?

DeuceOfClub
10-18-2011, 11:44 AM
Well, things just got interesting again in the AFC West!

It's always "interesting" to watch the Raiders go 8-8 and the Chargers exiting the playoff after 1 game.

*yawn*

Smiling Assassin27
10-18-2011, 11:51 AM
The open market literally disproved this...


ROFL!

Rohirrim
10-18-2011, 11:53 AM
I'll bet Boller feels great about this. :spit:

UberBroncoMan
10-18-2011, 12:01 PM
I'll bet Boller feels great about this. :spit:

Would be hilarious if they waited to start Palmer until us after their bye and Boller threw for 450 yards 5 TD's no turnovers vs the Chiefs next week.

bendog
10-18-2011, 12:02 PM
I'll bet Boller feels great about this. :spit:

Given Palmer's history, Boller may yet play.

NUB
10-18-2011, 12:13 PM
Total robbery by the Bengals.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Oh okay! His "4-12" record then? That's what shows he's "sucked for years"?

How convenient you ignored his 10-6 division winning season one year prior.

i also ignored that he was 0-4 in 08 as a starter. 6-10 in 07, 7-9 in 06

2010 - 4-12
2009 - 10-6
2008 - 0-4
2007 - 6-10
2006 - 7-9
2005 - 11-5
2004 - 6-7

his most recent performances on field have not been good and anyone with a pair of eyes can see that.

Drunk Monkey
10-18-2011, 12:34 PM
That's a huge leap of faith on the Raiders part. I am in the LOL @ da Raiders camp for now. Let's see what kind of shape Palmer is in when they roll him out. I am with the posters saying his best days are behind him.

Agamemnon
10-18-2011, 12:40 PM
Do it raiders. Nothing would give me greater joy than you kneecapping your own resurgence by trading a 1st rounder for Carson ****ing Palmer. That would be so unbelievably awesome. Do it!

WolfpackGuy
10-18-2011, 12:43 PM
He's gunshy and his arm is dead.

What a coup if the Bengals pull this off.

bendog
10-18-2011, 01:01 PM
And the sad part is that Elway would have shipped orton them for one of A$'s used depends.

TheReverend
10-18-2011, 01:07 PM
i also ignored that he was 0-4 in 08 as a starter. 6-10 in 07, 7-9 in 06

2010 - 4-12
2009 - 10-6
2008 - 0-4
2007 - 6-10
2006 - 7-9
2005 - 11-5
2004 - 6-7

his most recent performances on field have not been good and anyone with a pair of eyes can see that.

Cool.

Now post Brady Quinns.

ozomulsion
10-18-2011, 01:11 PM
oh wow,...thank god the raiders still suck. Just a brutal trade for Bengals. They've won 3 straight (should be 4) and have two terrific rookies with Green and Dalton.

hopefully Mr. Brown at least gave the Raiders a 'reach around'

Of all the ways said. I like this one the best.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Cool.

Now post Brady Quinns.

Touche!

i'd still take Quinn over the washed up wonder though

Doggcow
10-18-2011, 01:33 PM
Wow. Cinci jobbed Oakland.

TDmvp
10-18-2011, 01:34 PM
Wow. Cinci jobbed Oakland.



Yea that's insane...

JJJ
10-18-2011, 01:36 PM
A first rounder and a second rounder for Carson Palmer is a total train wreck. (They will not win a playoff game this year for the 2013 first rounder.)

Gotta love the raiders. This will play out very badly for them I am sure. Palmer will likely have a few flashes of brilliance early on and then get pounded into sand in the stretch run.

Bengals like the Broncos though will likely find a way to screw up multiple first round picks in consecutive years. Only McD and Bungles could manage to screw up such a bonanza. They will probably take receivers with three out of the four picks or somthing equally ludicrous.

The Bolts slow slide to mediocrity looks like it will be enough to continue to win the West for several more years to come.

bronco militia
10-18-2011, 01:40 PM
Touche!

i'd still take Quinn over the washed up wonder though

Palmers lost his fast ball, but this statement is just crazy talk

Ha!

maven
10-18-2011, 02:00 PM
I will say it's good to have him back in the league again. Palmer should be fresh and completely injury free right now. He still has some years left in him. Talk about lucky going to a 4-2 team.

Also, where does this leave Campbell in their future plans? Talk about being tossed out the window.

fontaine
10-18-2011, 02:03 PM
Would be hilarious if they waited to start Palmer until us after their bye and Boller threw for 450 yards 5 TD's no turnovers vs the Chiefs next week.

Boller has a better chance of running for 450 yards.

Whenever I look at Boller I see a QB who has absolutely no idea or concept of the speed of the game.

broncosteven
10-18-2011, 02:31 PM
I didn't realize that Palmer could run a 4.3 40!

Punisher
10-18-2011, 02:35 PM
Raiders win the division

ol#7
10-18-2011, 03:08 PM
I am of two thoughts here.

1. The Bengals raped the Raiders. That is how a FO works another team. Kind of Scary that Mike Brown of all people knows how to do it...

2. The AFC is a bit up for grabs this year. I can actually see the Raiders making some noise. This is a perfect fit for Palmer, hes had time to heal up, has fast WR's, a great running game and a pretty good defense. Thats a recipe for success. Yeah they overpaid, but Oakland fans may get a deep playoff run out of it.

HILife
10-18-2011, 03:15 PM
holy crap. A first year and a second next year. Raiders got screwed on that deal. Palmer is NOT worth all that. I'd give a second this year and maybe a forth next year.

EDIT: The Bengals announced at Tuesday's 4 p.m. ET NFL deadline that they had sent Palmer to the Raiders for a 2012 first-round draft pick and a 2013 second-round choice. The Raiders also confirmed the move but didn't release terms, instead tweeting an image of Palmer in a team shirt and hat.

NFL Network's Michael Lombardi reported that the 2013 second-round pick will become a first-rounder if the Raiders play in the AFC Championship Game in either of the next two years. NFL Network's Albert Breer also cited a league source in reporting that Palmer reworked his contract, which runs through 2014, to a maximum of $43 million as part of the trade.

Did I say screwed? I meant to say raped.

cutthemdown
10-18-2011, 03:15 PM
Palmer the last couple yrs looked really slow in the pocket. The at times his arm seemed to lack pop, and he had some lingering elbow problems. I think this is a great move for the people currently running the Raiders, and bad for the ones who take it over in 1 or 2 yrs. Palmer may be fresh enough for a run but he doesn't know the play book, doesn't know the players, has never thrown to even one of them. IMO that slows down his decision making process, and he's sort of a slow qb. I'm hoping Von Miller can end this experiment.

baja
10-18-2011, 03:16 PM
Raiders probably figure they are giving up 2 picks in the 30tys

HILife
10-18-2011, 03:18 PM
Touche!

i'd still take Quinn over the washed up wonder though

Lets not talk crazy. I'd easily take Palmer over Quinn

Powderaddict
10-18-2011, 03:26 PM
Good short term, bad long term.

The Raiders have no draft basically in 2012 (a few compensatorys). Then they get rid of another high pick in 2013.

Palmer is an upgrade at QB to be sure, but wow that was a steep price.

As to those that somehow think this reflects in any way on Denver's FO, what makes you think the raiders had any interest at all in Orton? If they don't want him, why throw any picks to get him?

If you get a good deal and spend $30 on a pair of shoes on sale, only wear them once because they suck, then go spend $100 on the shoes you want, that $30 was a complete waste, even if it was a "good deal".

Punisher
10-18-2011, 03:30 PM
Raiders probably figure they are giving up 2 picks in the 30tys

Maybe so but you got to like the Raiders Attitude of trying to win now

Smiling Assassin27
10-18-2011, 03:38 PM
Good short term, bad long term.

The Raiders have no draft basically in 2012 (a few compensatorys). Then they get rid of another high pick in 2013.

Palmer is an upgrade at QB to be sure, but wow that was a steep price.

As to those that somehow think this reflects in any way on Denver's FO, what makes you think the raiders had any interest at all in Orton? If they don't want him, why throw any picks to get him?

If you get a good deal and spend $30 on a pair of shoes on sale, only wear them once because they suck, then go spend $100 on the shoes you want, that $30 was a complete waste, even if it was a "good deal".

See, i'm not sure that i agree that palmer's an upgrade over jason campbell. He definitely is an upgrade over Boller, but what happens next year when the Raiders have campbell and palmer? Furthermore, the guy's been out of football for months now, has a diminished arm, and lacks the wheels he once possessed. In short, he's an unknown commodity, especially for 2 high picks.

The guy is serviceable (maybe) but is far from an elite qb.

baja
10-18-2011, 04:04 PM
Maybe so but you got to like the Raiders Attitude of trying to win now

I do. The Raiders have a good physical team. Palmer may just end up being the missing piece for them. If so, too bad Al will miss the fun.

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2011, 04:14 PM
Is Palmer even healthy? If so, how long is it going to take to get him into football shape? Next they'll be pulling Houshmandzadeh off the couch.

razorwire77
10-18-2011, 04:15 PM
So let me get this straight. Oakland just gave up a first rounder and a future 1st rounder for Carson Palmer and some Bronco fans are upset about this?

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2011, 04:31 PM
This makes 13 first round picks on the Raiders roster right now.

cabronco
10-18-2011, 04:45 PM
If the semi-mobile Campbell got spiked and a broken collar bone, what's going to happen to Palmer?

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2011, 04:46 PM
Am I to understand correctly that this trade might bring 2 number 1 picks (depending on how well the Raiders do this year) to the Bengals.

Wow

vonqkilla
10-18-2011, 04:47 PM
I think in theory it is a great move. How many teams use first rounder after rounder and never sniff a superbowl. They have one tough loss in Buffalo and at home vs Ne. Palmer gives them a legit qb with a great running attack. If they improve more, they could get a bye for all we know. If you think you're a qb from winning and getting to the tourney, thats what picks are supposed to get you to, the playoffs.

I think the risk of Palmer was huge, but you cant win if you dont buy a ticket. That said I think it will fail.

Lets say they had a 1% chance before of winning it all, and now its 20% in their minds, or even 10%, good trade. Great no lose deal for cincy, wow, scary.

Will be fun to watch, but it wont work, and raiders miss playoffs.

Sd,Ne, Buff, Balt, Tenn or Hou, and Cincy or pitts make it

gyldenlove
10-18-2011, 05:14 PM
Palmer has been in a decline since his sophomore season 6 years ago, he has always thrown too many interceptions and relied too much on the short passes, I don't think he will be a good fit in Oakland and having sat out for nearly 11 months I think he will be extremely rusty, and with his new contract of 43 million for 4 years the Raiders are committed to him.

I think the Raiders got taken badly by the Bengals, it was obvious Palmer would never play in Cincinati again and yet they still managed to get a 1st round pick and a conditional pick (which they probably won't actually get).

broncocalijohn
10-18-2011, 05:17 PM
So let me get this straight. Oakland just gave up a first rounder and a future 1st rounder for Carson Palmer and some Bronco fans are upset about this?

I am only upset for the next 6 weeks then pretty much happy as a clam. I think it was Al Davis' dying wish to get another 1st rounder that another team didn't want.
As for Baja stating too bad Al Davis isnt going to see his Raiders winning ways; WTF is that? Best thing for Al to hear before he dies was, "Your team sucks and reast in piece!" Maybe "Al, your son is going to pay Mike Shanahan the 250k you owe him," would be better.

Bronx33
10-18-2011, 05:19 PM
Sucks to be the raiders (as usual)

Tim
10-18-2011, 05:22 PM
Palmer for 2) 1st rounders?? LOL

ScottXray
10-18-2011, 05:26 PM
Kind of sucks to see the Raiders get ripped off ( maybe).

If Palmer does well and gets them to the AFCC then they are out 2 #1 picks, and will be strapped to get much in the draft next year.
Almost makes you think Al is still running things over there in RaiDuh land

As a Bronco fan this could be good for us. But maybe they just think hes the shiznitz, and he can mentor their rookie from the supplemental draft this year for a year or two.

On the other hand Palmer could just resurrect himself....and carry them to a SB this year.

Now THAT would suck ( and not for Luck)

errand
10-18-2011, 06:31 PM
Carson Palmer is an upgrade at QB for about 75% of the NFL teams......

If anyone deserved greener pastures it's him....

broncswin
10-18-2011, 06:35 PM
Palmer was a legit QB....until his knee exploded...hasn't even been close to the same since...has been in a decline for the last two years and hasn't taken a snap in God knows how long...oh ya and the Raiders just gave a 1st and for sure a 2nd (maybe 1st)....I love the how the Raiders keep being the Raiders, even with slimy Al gone!

Br0nc0Buster
10-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Carson Palmer is an upgrade at QB for about 75% of the NFL teams......

If anyone deserved greener pastures it's him....

dude he threw 20 picks last year...

Palmer in 2005 was an elite player, now...
he is a shell of himself

Getting old, hasnt played at all this year, has had issues with injuries, hasnt been as good since he blew his knee

all this adds up to this being one of the worst, if not the worst, trades I have ever seen

I dont think Palmer sucks or anything, but wow they just gave up franchise value for an average player who MAY give them 4-5 years

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2011, 06:43 PM
Raiders are like those Saw movies. Al Davis still will be pulling the strings from beyond.

Bronx33
10-18-2011, 07:06 PM
Raiders are like those Saw movies. Al Davis still will be pulling the strings from beyond.


Holy**** you're right! al scripted everything for years to come in his will!!

broncswin
10-18-2011, 07:09 PM
Raiders are like those Saw movies. Al Davis still will be pulling the strings from beyond.

There is a reason you are known as Bronco Yoda...I bow to your powers :curtsey:

BroncoBuff
10-18-2011, 09:51 PM
Palmer in 2005 was an elite player, now...
he is a shell of himself

Definitely, he's at least two-thirds of the way down Jake Delhomme Boulevard about now.

My head spins at how much they gave up ...

BroncoBuff
10-18-2011, 09:58 PM
Maybe we can't blame all this on the stupid Raiders ...

Mike Brown is a damn good businessman: Hamilton County (Cincinnati) gave the Bengals $34 million in 2010. That was 16.4 percent of their entire annual budget. That makes the Raiders only the SECOND stupidest people to make a deal with Brown lately. So gooo Raiders!

Powderaddict
10-18-2011, 10:04 PM
See, i'm not sure that i agree that palmer's an upgrade over jason campbell. He definitely is an upgrade over Boller, but what happens next year when the Raiders have campbell and palmer? Furthermore, the guy's been out of football for months now, has a diminished arm, and lacks the wheels he once possessed. In short, he's an unknown commodity, especially for 2 high picks.

The guy is serviceable (maybe) but is far from an elite qb.

He's not elite, he just needs to be able to make a throw here and there.

The run game is what makes that offense tick. I think it's a great fit for Palmer, and it makes the raiders a better team than they were yesterday.

Only time will tell if the trade was worth it, but from a purely player standpoint it's hard to argue he makes that team better.

And I don't think Campbell is any good at all.

maven
10-18-2011, 10:10 PM
The Raiders have been bad for how many years now? Their coach knows Palmer. I'm sure Palmer is excited to be back and a change of scenery. He should be completely healthy. It's a ballsy move, and I commend the Raiders for trying to salvage their season and they just may have gotten better. They are in the playoff hunt now. Much more exciting season happening over there than here.

Ugly Duck
10-19-2011, 04:04 AM
think how bad Palmer was the last time he was on the field.

Here's the video of Palmer throwing 4 TDs to knock Sandy Eggo out of the playoffs last December. He had to decline his invite to the ProBowl cuz of an injury to his non-throwing thumb (thats how Vince Young got in):

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Its not like Oakland didn't get any players for those 2012 picks - the picks didn't disappear into thin air:

Oakland Raiders 2012 draft picks:

1st round: QB Carson Palmer

2nd round: OT Joe Barksdale and RB Taiwan Jones

3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor

4th round: QB Jason Campbell

5th round: Still own pick

6th round: Still own pick

7th round: OLB Aaron Curry

cutthemdown
10-19-2011, 04:43 AM
Here's the video of Palmer throwing 4 TDs to knock Sandy Eggo out of the playoffs last December. He had to decline his invite to the ProBowl cuz of an injury to his non-throwing thumb (thats how Vince Young got in):

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Its not like Oakland didn't get any players for those 2012 picks - the picks didn't disappear into thin air:

Oakland Raiders 2012 draft picks:

1st round: QB Carson Palmer

2nd round: OT Joe Barksdale and RB Taiwan Jones

3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor

4th round: QB Jason Campbell

5th round: Still own pick

6th round: Still own pick

7th round: OLB Aaron Curry

We won't have to wait long to see how it works out. The thing that would worry me was the injury to the ligament in his elbow. I had him in fantasy football and know it bothered him for stretches.

It was an awful lot to give up for him and you know it. I get it though and won't even say its not a good move. Without this move Raiders have nothing and probably dont make playoffs. The coach is running the team so he has nothing to lose. Still it will be hard to fix your secondary next offseason without draft picks.

Agamemnon
10-19-2011, 04:45 AM
All I can say is I love this trade. They just traded away a 1st and 2nd for a guy that is arguably no better than Jason Campbell. It's amazing really. It's almost as if Al Davis is still with us...

cutthemdown
10-19-2011, 04:48 AM
Also none of the throws were wow throws ugly duck. The long bomb the WR was 20 feet passed the defender, more like a blown coverage. I remember that game though Palmer was on target.

I just doubt how quickly he can get the rust off this yr. Will Raiders even start him this week? that seems total crazy to me that he could get ready that fast. Especially being a guy with a history of some injuries. Man if Palmer busts out it would really set Raiders back.

Agamemnon
10-19-2011, 04:50 AM
Also none of the throws were wow throws ugly duck. The long bomb the WR was 20 feet passed the defender, more like a blown coverage. I remember that game though Palmer was on target.

I just doubt how quickly he can get the rust off this yr. Will Raiders even start him this week? that seems total crazy to me that he could get ready that fast. Especially being a guy with a history of some injuries. Man if Palmer busts out it would really set Raiders back.

If Palmer doesn't exceed Jason Campbell level it will really set them back. If he pulls a McNabb? Hilarious!