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smoke4815162342
10-17-2011, 01:21 PM
Anyone care to explain and provide any evidence of how rumor this came to be?

NUB
10-17-2011, 01:26 PM
Lloyd has been a cancer on every team he's been on. I'm sure information on this will leak over time.

OBF1
10-17-2011, 01:29 PM
Anyone care to explain and provide any evidence of how rumor this came to be?

Can you provide any evidence of this rumor???

WABronco
10-17-2011, 01:29 PM
Lloyd has been a cancer on every team he's been on. I'm sure information on this will leak over time.

Yep. Not that I give a ****, but it's an easy card to play given B Lloyd's past.

bendog
10-17-2011, 01:31 PM
His first team

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/10/death-taxes-and-twitter-queries.html

His next team

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101079_pf.html

"What I saw is that he's not coachable," the teammate said. "He would go off on [wide receivers coach] Stan Hixon all the time and say, 'Bro, that's not how it's done!' right to his face. And we would kind of laugh, like not because it was really funny, but it was funny in that uncomfortable sense of, 'I can't believe he just said that.' "

As the season progressed, the Redskins began to realize critical, disturbing elements about Lloyd's game: He could make dynamic catches but was not a particularly complete receiver. Lloyd basically ran three routes: the sideline go route, a short slant -- where he was more inclined to drop to the turf instead of turning a short pass play into a big gain -- and the outside curl. He was not comfortable going over the middle, even though a player of his speed could exploit the seams of a defense.

"From the wrists to the fingertips, Brandon is the most gifted wide receiver I've ever seen," Saunders often told his offensive coaches. Like Ladell Betts, Saunders remembered Lloyd from high school in Kansas City.

The rest of the Lloyd package, however, was far from complete. Saunders believed Lloyd to be a legitimate top receiver. He ran routes crisply. He did the dirty work as professionally as the spectacular. At least one coach disagreed, saying Lloyd's problems were more with the plays Saunders called for him.

But not Lloyd. He remained unproductive and ultimately clashed with Gibbs, who benched him after Lloyd threw his helmet in a Dec. 3 game against Atlanta. Perhaps hastened by the incident, but certainly because of his limited route running, Lloyd began losing time at the second receiver spot to Randle El. By mid-December, Lloyd had fallen to the No. 3 receiver

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11116-later-brandon-lloyd-cut-as-the-washington-redskins-end-a-costly-mistake
Lloyd wasn’t exactly a locker room cancer. Being a cancer actually requires some effort, some work on the part of the perpetrator. Brand Lloyd just kind of cruised along at about three-quarters speed both on and off the field.
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When he was a "late scratch" and Elway said he was surprised Lloyd couldn't go, I thought it was deja vu all over again. But, my guess is that with Tebow gonna start the rest of the season, there isn't going to be any "me-ness" tolerated.

MacGruder
10-17-2011, 01:40 PM
It's possible they are using this season as a kind of prep for next season.. in that event relying on Lloyd, who is likely to leave for money, would be a waste and jeopardize the next season because they would have to start over again.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
10-17-2011, 01:49 PM
oh right, let's bash him now and talk as if he's been a problem for this team in his tenure here. HE only led the league in receiving yards last year. We can love him when he worked his way from the practice squad to a top nfl wr, and his spectacular catches.

But now he's gone, let's just talk ****.

So, what's new with you Denver fans?

Garcia Bronco
10-17-2011, 01:50 PM
I haven't heard one bad thing about him while he was here. There some stuff with the 9ers and Redskins, but that was years ago

lostknight
10-17-2011, 01:51 PM
Ted Sudiquest basically stated that there were issues that were not public - that there was some blowout a few months ago with coaches. Plus his "get me the ball more" in the media.

bendog
10-17-2011, 01:52 PM
oh right, let's bash him now and talk as if he's been a problem for this team in his tenure here. HE only led the league in receiving yards last year. We can love him when he worked his way from the practice squad to a top nfl wr, and his spectacular catches.

But now he's gone, let's just talk ****.

So, what's new with you Denver fans?

His history is one promising season followed by .... asshole. If you think guys change, I'm happy for your optimism

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 01:55 PM
Lloyd has been a cancer on every team he's been on. I'm sure information on this will leak over time.

And this brings up a big question for me. If this is true, why didn't we move him before the season started? We almost certainly would've gotten far more for him then.

DrFate
10-17-2011, 01:55 PM
It's clear he was in the dog house and this was a 'motivated seller'. Maybe one day someone will write a book and we'll get the details...

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
10-17-2011, 01:56 PM
His history is one promising season followed by .... a-hole. If you think guys change, I'm happy for your optimism

Has he done anything wrong since he was here? Has he gotten into any legal or off field trouble?

Every single damn locker room has guys that are easier to manage than others...

However, to sit here and just speculate that he's been a cancer to this team is just a typical Denver fan move, especially when he's played his heart out and made ENDLESS highlight plays.

He's worked his ass off, and this is how Denver fans react.

YOu people are pathetic. You think when Randy Moss was in NE, fans were mad at him for his past history of being a cancer? Or was it more of BB's job to keep him in check?

ol#7
10-17-2011, 01:57 PM
Wow, so a WR is an A-hole for demanding the ball more. Glad we dodged that bullet...

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
10-17-2011, 01:58 PM
There are issues with players on EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the NFL...

I swear, it's like some of you people have been watching the NFL for how many years now yet you still come across as if you guys just started following the sport as a kindergarden teacher.

It really leads me to believe that 99% of posters here have never ever been a part of athletics in their time in school.

Garcia Bronco
10-17-2011, 01:59 PM
Ted Sudiquest basically stated that there were issues that were not public - that there was some blowout a few months ago with coaches. Plus his "get me the ball more" in the media.

I didn't think that was all that big of a deal.

MVPlaya II - Electric Boogaloo
10-17-2011, 02:00 PM
Wow, so a WR is an A-hole for demanding the ball more. Glad we dodged that bullet...

Exactly. Andre Johnson, the most humble WR in the world, would ****in demand the ball more if he wasn't getting thrown too.

But thats different, they actually have a stable organization on the offensive side of the ball.

TDmvp
10-17-2011, 02:00 PM
Hated him as a 49'er . Wasn't a fan of him with us but he was ours so what do you do but I never liked the guy .Don't see it as a big loss really. Wr's are becoming a dime a dozen like hbs. Check out the top 20 wrs in the league. Not many are 1st round picks.

So o well.

Mountain Bronco
10-17-2011, 02:01 PM
I don't think there is anything glaring, but I got the feeling he was going to be more of an issue as the losses piled up especially with his boy Orton not starting. I don't think that Loyd has any respect for Tebow (right or wrong) and that would have been an issue. Better to get a 5th (hopefully) for him now I think? I would have liked to have seen more in return, but it is ok he is gone. Its not like he was great this year anyhow. Dude had one good year, its not like we traded the GOAT.

Rohirrim
10-17-2011, 02:02 PM
I always enjoyed Lloyd's play on the field, loved those crazy ass catches he could make, and have no ****ing idea what's going on now.

There. Honesty.

TheDave
10-17-2011, 02:03 PM
I have no idea... He has been a problem elsewhere, maybe it's just more of the same.

Archer81
10-17-2011, 02:05 PM
Has he done anything wrong since he was here? Has he gotten into any legal or off field trouble?

Every single damn locker room has guys that are easier to manage than others...

However, to sit here and just speculate that he's been a cancer to this team is just a typical Denver fan move, especially when he's played his heart out and made ENDLESS highlight plays.

He's worked his ass off, and this is how Denver fans react.

YOu people are pathetic. You think when Randy Moss was in NE, fans were mad at him for his past history of being a cancer? Or was it more of BB's job to keep him in check?

Different tangent...but why is it an adult's job to babysit other adults?

I also think its funny that people are treating Lloyd like a megastar. Lets be honest about him as a player and then move on from there. He's gone. Miami is coming up.

:Broncos:

Drunk Monkey
10-17-2011, 02:12 PM
And this brings up a big question for me. If this is true, why didn't we move him before the season started? We almost certainly would've gotten far more for him then.

I think not everyone (EFX) was convinced we were going to be as bad as we are. They probably saw Lloyd as a intergal part to a respectable 8-8 or 9-7.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-17-2011, 02:13 PM
/is not in the locker room

//could not tell you what happened inside the locker room

///does not know "how Lloyd is a locker room cancer"

////happy to help

broncosteven
10-17-2011, 02:18 PM
I haven't heard one bad thing about him while he was here. There some stuff with the 9ers and Redskins, but that was years ago

Add Chicago to the list.

Kaylore
10-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Different tangent...but why is it an adult's job to babysit other adults?

I also think its funny that people are treating Lloyd like a megastar. Lets be honest about him as a player and then move on from there. He's gone. Miami is coming up.

:Broncos:

Yeah Lloyd is leaving the prime of his career and has had one good season to date and an entire history of mediocre, selfish play. I would have been extremely upset had we signed him to a big contract and then proceeded to see him Javon Walker himself out of the league. The alternative is he walks at the end of the season and we hope for something in the compensatory department. Really, that's kind of a crap shoot and any pick would have been at the end of the round it is awarded in, as is customary for comp picks.

We aren't winning the super bowl this year and I'd rather give his reps to one of the young guys who will be on the team longer. Additionally, we get a chance for a pick early in the fifth or sixth round, whereas the comp pick could be wiped out by who we end up signing.

Glad we got what we could.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 02:24 PM
oh right, let's bash him now and talk as if he's been a problem for this team in his tenure here. HE only led the league in receiving yards last year. We can love him when he worked his way from the practice squad to a top nfl wr, and his spectacular catches.


Don't you have to ask yourself how a guy with the potential he showed last year ended up on the scout team of an untalented football team?

bendog
10-17-2011, 02:25 PM
My guess it's more of the same.

http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-news/the-ever-changing-brandon-lloyd/

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 02:28 PM
I think not everyone (EFX) was convinced we were going to be as bad as we are. They probably saw Lloyd as a intergal part to a respectable 8-8 or 9-7.

Yes, with Orton as our starter. Bunch of geniuses we have running this team...

Mr D
10-17-2011, 02:32 PM
Different tangent...but why is it an adult's job to babysit other adults?



You really have no idea about professional sports.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Don't you have to ask yourself how a guy with the potential he showed last year ended up on the scout team of an untalented football team?

A lot of guys need to be in the right system in order to perform well.

IE Tom Brady and Wes Welker... Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns.

Brandon Lloyd always had a problem catching the easy balls tho, however he's seemed to fix that.

Look, I'm not saying we shouldn't have resigned him or not trade him... I'm just saying why do we gotta hate on him now he's no longer in orange and blue (and he's not on a division team)?

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Yeah Lloyd is leaving the prime of his career and has had one good season to date and an entire history of mediocre, selfish play. I would have been extremely upset had we signed him to a big contract and then proceeded to see him Javon Walker himself out of the league. The alternative is he walks at the end of the season and we hope for something in the compensatory department. Really, that's kind of a crap shoot and any pick would have been at the end of the round it is awarded in, as is customary for comp picks.

We aren't winning the super bowl this year and I'd rather give his reps to one of the young guys who will be on the team longer. Additionally, we get a chance for a pick early in the fifth or sixth round, whereas the comp pick could be wiped out by who we end up signing.

Glad we got what we could.Exactly. I don't see why people are getting bent about shipping a guy from a rebuilding team who was clearly not in the teams plans going forward.

Wake up folks. We're in a developing mode. No sense in stunting the development of Thomas, Decker, Willis in order to try to please a veteran who you aren't going to build around.

As for the whining about the compensation; we didn't have any leverage here. With the deadline looming, and no contract in place, it's a buyer's market. Getting anything for him is better than nothing, and it's pretty clear given the compensation that the Broncos did not want him around for the rest of the year.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 02:37 PM
A lot of guys need to be in the right system in order to perform well.

IE Tom Brady and Wes Welker... Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns.

Brandon Lloyd always had a problem catching the easy balls tho, however he's seemed to fix that.

Look, I'm not saying we shouldn't have resigned him or not trade him... I'm just saying why do we gotta hate on him now he's no longer in orange and blue (and he's not on a division team)?
I've been hating on him for much longer than that. I think he gave terrible effort towards the end of last year, and I've said many times that I didn't want the Broncos to pay him when he hit free agency. If you watch the way he plays, it's still extremely selfish despite having one solid, flash in the pan season.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 02:41 PM
Casserly said on NFL network that Lloyd had "confrontations" with Denver coaches. That fits right in line with the Denver Post reports earlier in the season where Lloyd openly complained about the run-game oriented offense and how he wasn't getting the ball as much as he wanted to.

If you watch the game tape, you'll regularly see Lloyd loafing on run plays and not really even trying to block.

I imagine that the coaching staff is weeding out the bad seeds right now. This process has to happen too. Fox wasn't around last season and didn't see what things look like behind the curtain. Its no surprise that Lloyd is the first diseased limb to be amputated.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 02:41 PM
I've been hating on him for much longer than that. I think he gave terrible effort towards the end of last year, and I've said many times that I didn't want the Broncos to pay him when he hit free agency. If you watch the way he plays, it's still extremely selfish despite having one solid, flash in the pan season.

How is he selfish in the way that he plays?

1st off he's a WR. That's all you need to know.

I'm not sure you can find many people to agree with this... have you ever seen Lloyd yell at the OC or coaches for not getting the ball?

People just make things up to fill their deep inner bias towards a certain player.

Gutless Drunk
10-17-2011, 02:42 PM
Cutler's an alcoholic

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 02:43 PM
Exactly. I don't see why people are getting bent about shipping a guy from a rebuilding team who was clearly not in the teams plans going forward.

That's just not it, at least not in my case. My issue is that he should've been traded before the season started, not now. At least if all the cancer talk or speculation that there was never any chance of him getting extended is true. As it is we settled for the bare minimum for the guy at the worst possible time. Just another ass backwards move by EFX...

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 02:46 PM
Casserly said on NFL network that Lloyd had "confrontations" with Denver coaches. That fits right in line with the Denver Post reports earlier in the season where Lloyd openly complained about the run-game oriented offense and how he wasn't getting the ball as much as he wanted to.

If you watch the game tape, you'll regularly see Lloyd loafing on run plays and not really even trying to block.

I imagine that the coaching staff is weeding out the bad seeds right now. This process has to happen too. Fox wasn't around last season and didn't see what things look like behind the curtain. Its no surprise that Lloyd is the first diseased limb to be amputated.

Except that Lloyd was the one to ask for the trade, or at least that's being reported by everyone. I guess the limb amputated itself...

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 02:51 PM
Except that Lloyd was the one to ask for the trade, or at least that's being reported by everyone. I guess the limb amputated itself...

Not many teams trade their #1 WR at the trade deadline for less than value.

Lloyd was dealt to get him out of the locker room.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 02:52 PM
How is he selfish in the way that he plays?Watch the film. He doesn't block, he doesn't run routes if the play isn't designed to get him the ball. He never works in a crowd because he turtles.

1st off he's a WR. That's all you need to know.No. all I need to know is that there was no plan to build around him as a player.

I'm not sure you can find many people to agree with this... have you ever seen Lloyd yell at the OC or coaches for not getting the ball?No. Do you know for a fact that he hasn't? No, you don't, and given he's done it everywhere else he's been I would tend to believe the reports that say there were issues with him here.

People just make things up to fill their deep inner bias towards a certain player.People ignore a lot of things about a player for the same reason.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 02:57 PM
That's just not it, at least not in my case. My issue is that he should've been traded before the season started, not now. At least if all the cancer talk or speculation that there was never any chance of him getting extended is true. As it is we settled for the bare minimum for the guy at the worst possible time. Just another ass backwards move by EFX...

That's nothing more than hindsight being 20/20. They were clearly in a "win now" mode to start the season. With that plan failing spectacularly, they've shifted to a "development" mode. It doesn't seem that difficult to understand.

In a win mode you play the guys who you feel give you the best chance to win. In a development mode you cut losses and focus on making the future, the now.

It's easy to say now that Orton and Lloyd should have been dealt before the season, and there were a lot of us who screamed for a "development" approach to the whole year. But that ship sailed, and this is a better option than keeping a malcontent Lloyd on the roster all year and having him walk when it's over.

Chris
10-17-2011, 03:01 PM
We've hit rock bottom

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7861/broncosrockbottom.jpg

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 03:05 PM
That's nothing more than hindsight being 20/20. They were clearly in a "win now" mode to start the season. With that plan failing spectacularly, they've shifted to a "development" mode. It doesn't seem that difficult to understand.

In a win mode you play the guys who you feel give you the best chance to win. In a development mode you cut losses and focus on making the future, the now.

It's easy to say now that Orton and Lloyd should have been dealt before the season, and there were a lot of us who screamed for a "development" approach to the whole year. But that ship sailed, and this is a better option than keeping a malcontent Lloyd on the roster all year and having him walk when it's over.

And why were they in a "win now" mode? With Orton as their starter no less? I'm sorry, but how is this making the situation look better?

And why is trading Lloyd for pretty much nothing all that much better than letting him try and put up some numbers for FA, help Tebow, and likely get a comparable pick as compensation later on?

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 03:22 PM
And why were they in a "win now" mode? With Orton as their starter no less? I'm sorry, but how is this making the situation look better?I don't have a clue why they were in a "win now" mode from the beginning. I've been as vocal as anyone that we should have taken a rebuilding approach from the word go. But there were plenty of people who disagreed and wanted to shelve development in favor of cosmetic improvement to the tune of a 7-8 win season. That's the heart of the Orton support.

And why is trading Lloyd for pretty much nothing all that much better than letting him try and put up some numbers for FA, help Tebow, and likely get a comparable pick as compensation later on?If he's a subversive distraction, isn't the answer to that question pretty obvious?

Do you really think he helps Tebow if during drills and such he's in DT's and Decker's ear complaining about how Tebow is holding them back, or whining to the media that Tebow is the cause for his lack of production?

maher_tyler
10-17-2011, 03:24 PM
Not many teams trade their #1 WR at the trade deadline for less than value.

Lloyd was dealt to get him out of the locker room.

Not many teams trade guys mid season period. Guys like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens get traded mid season. Gotta be more than that meets the eye here.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 03:27 PM
If he's a subversive distraction, isn't the answer to that question pretty obvious?

Do you really think he helps Tebow if during drills and such he's in DT's and Decker's ear complaining about how Tebow is holding them back, or whining to the media that Tebow is the cause for his lack of production?

That's quite a bit of speculation right there, and there isn't any evidence to back it up. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm sure not assuming that that was the only possible outcome of not trading the guy. He's going to want get a deal after this season, and his best bet for doing that if we don't trade him is to shut up and get as many catches as he can. Which is pretty much what Marshall did his last season with us when he didn't get the contract he wanted. Are you saying Lloyd is more of a headcase than Marshall?

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 03:29 PM
Not many teams trade guys mid season period. Guys like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens get traded mid season. Gotta be more than that meets the eye here.

Yep. If Lloyd was complaining publicly about Fox's offense, and Casserly is reporting that there have been "confrontations", signs are pointing toward disagreements that have been issues between Lloyd and the coaching staff, and Lloyd has let those kinds of disagreements effect his play in the past.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 03:31 PM
That's quite a bit of speculation right there, and there isn't any evidence to back it up. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm sure not assuming that that was the only possible outcome of not trading the guy. He's going to want get a deal after this season, and his best bet for doing that if we don't trade him is to shut up and get as many catches as he can. Which is pretty much what Marshall did his last season with us when he didn't get the contract he wanted. Are you saying Lloyd is more of a headcase than Marshall?

He's a different kind of headcase, but a similarly distracting one.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:35 PM
Watch the film. He doesn't block, he doesn't run routes if the play isn't designed to get him the ball. He never works in a crowd because he turtles.

Biased much? I watch Broncos games, all of them. He blocks fine, and ALL, I repeat ALL wr's don't run their hardest if the play isn't designed for them, and especially if it's not to THEIR side of the field. Same with blocking, WR's will rarely block well if the ball isn't being ran to their side of the field.


No. all I need to know is that there was no plan to build around him as a player.

So? What does having a player to build around have to do with anything? Since when do successful organizations build around a WR?


No. Do you know for a fact that he hasn't? No, you don't, and given he's done it everywhere else he's been I would tend to believe the reports that say there were issues with him here.

Reports? Where are these reports coming from? Are they official on any account? Anybody can make up bull****. Do you KNOW these reports are true? Biased much (again)?]


I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just simply observing the general Denver fan reactions once a player isn't on the team anymore. But for you specifically

[quote]People just make things up to fill their deep inner bias towards a certain player.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 03:36 PM
That's quite a bit of speculation right there, and there isn't any evidence to back it up.It's not speculation at all. The evidence is that the league's leading receiver from a year ago was dealt for a 5th round pick. Any details are speculation, but from a qualitative perspective, it's brutally clear there are were issues. His attitude towards Tebow alone is reason enough to deal him if you're committed to the kid's development, and his "Tebow thang" comments aren't speculation.


I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm sure not assuming that that was the only possible outcome of not trading the guy. He's going to want get a deal after this season, and his best bet for doing that if we don't trade him is to shut up and get as many catches as he can. Which is pretty much what Marshall did his last season with us when he didn't get the contract he wanted. Are you saying Lloyd is more of a headcase than Marshall?
I don't have a clue what's gone on inside dove valley, but the evidence is pretty clear. We got far more for Marshall than we did for Lloyd, and Lloyd was more productive on the field.

You do the math.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:37 PM
Do you think there is any WR in the league that runs full speed every play? considering that Lloyd is on the field for almost all the offensive plays, I think he's shown in film enough that he gives effort.

If Lloyd had an effort issue he would have BEEN gone as the starter, not here, but with McDaniels AND with Fox.

As I said, people just make up **** for no damn reason.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:37 PM
It's not speculation at all. The evidence is that the league's leading receiver from a year ago was dealt for a 5th round pick. Any details are speculation, but from a qualitative perspective, it's brutally clear there are were issues. His attitude towards Tebow alone is reason enough to deal him if you're committed to the kid's development, and his "Tebow thang" comments aren't speculation.



I don't have a clue what's gone on inside dove valley, but the evidence is pretty clear. We got far more for Marshall than we did for Lloyd, and Lloyd was more productive on the field.

You do the math.

Are you seriously comparing Marshall to Lloyd right now, and wondering why we got more for Marshall than Brandon Lloyd?

LOL

Wow, you fans let bias really get the best of you, it turns you full retard.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:40 PM
Lloyd probably wanted to get out because he knew the Broncos weren't going to resign him and he knew teams that could use him would boost his production...for a bigger contract remember Lloyd is pretty educated.


But let's just speculate about Brandon Lloyd. Let's just automatically pin him as the bad guy. Let's not bring up speculation of the possibility that he saw where this organization was heading and how ****ty the FO was so he just wanted out of the organization.

Let me ask, is there more proof of Lloyd being a "cancer" as a Bronco or more proof of our organization and FO being complete ****?

... don't worry, I won't be mad if you don't respond.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 03:41 PM
It's not speculation at all. The evidence is that the league's leading receiver from a year ago was dealt for a 5th round pick. Any details are speculation, but from a qualitative perspective, it's brutally clear there are were issues. His attitude towards Tebow alone is reason enough to deal him if you're committed to the kid's development, and his "Tebow thang" comments aren't speculation.



I don't have a clue what's gone on inside dove valley, but the evidence is pretty clear. We got far more for Marshall than we did for Lloyd, and Lloyd was more productive on the field.

You do the math.

You follow up the bolded part with a bunch of speculation and then say it isn't speculation. All that is known is that Lloyd was traded. The why's of the matter are all speculation at this point. You have your theories. Others think it's simply part of the Suck for Luck campaign. And in the end I have my take: we got raped once again in a trade and much of the blame for that rests on our incompetent FO.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 03:43 PM
Biased much? I watch Broncos games, all of them. He blocks fine, and ALL, I repeat ALL wr's don't run their hardest if the play isn't designed for them, and especially if it's not to THEIR side of the field. Same with blocking, WR's will rarely block well if the ball isn't being ran to their side of the field.Of course I'm biased, and so are you. I'm biased towards the development of the players who are going to be Broncos going forward. Loyd wasn't in that group, and him being gone gives more development opportunities to the players in that group.



So? What does having a player to build around have to do with anything? Since when do successful organizations build around a WR?This is just too moronic to respond to.



Reports? Where are these reports coming from? Are they official on any account? Anybody can make up bull****. Do you KNOW these reports are true? Biased much (again)?
They're coming from the mouth of Brandon Lloyd who's clearly not in Tebow's camp.

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just simply observing the general Denver fan reactions once a player isn't on the team anymore. But for you specificallyFirst of all, I'll try to interpret what this sentence structure means. You're ignoring the fact that Lloyd was never going to be on this team beyond this year, the fact that he's been a terrible teammate everywhere else he's ever been, and there are signs he's turning down that same path here.

You're ignoring plenty.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 03:46 PM
They're coming from the mouth of Brandon Lloyd who's clearly not in Tebow's camp.


I can't recall a single time Lloyd said something bad about Tebow. He was supportive of Orton, and voiced some annoyance with the Tebow fervor. But I never heard him bash or even say anything mildly bad about Tebow personally.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:46 PM
Of course I'm biased, and so are you. I'm biased towards the development of the players who are going to be Broncos going forward. Loyd wasn't in that group, and him being gone gives more development opportunities to the players in that group.

This really has nothing to do with Lloyd being a "cancer" tho.



This is just too moronic to respond to.


Yes, because your original statement was just that stupid.


They're coming from the mouth of Brandon Lloyd who's clearly not in Tebow's camp.

What? There are reports of Lloyd saying he's a cancer?


First of all, I'll try to interpret what this sentence structure means. You're ignoring the fact that Lloyd was never going to be on this team beyond this year, the fact that he's been a terrible teammate everywhere else he's ever been, and there are signs he's turning down that same path here.

You're ignoring plenty.

No I'm not ignoring that, how about you read my posts before you made this post... looking quite stupid now?

And Lloyd has been a terrible teammate? Where the hell is this coming from? What actual proof is there that he's been a horrible teammate in Denver? From what I recall, he's been on record by other young WR's to be always willing to help.

LOL

You must not realize how stupid you look right now.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 03:47 PM
You follow up the bolded part with a bunch of speculation and then say it isn't speculation. All that is known is that Lloyd was traded. The why's of the matter are all speculation at this point. You have your theories. Others think it's simply part of the Suck for Luck campaign. And in the end I have my take: we got raped once again in a trade and much of the blame for that rests on our incompetent FO.

Read what I wrote. The details are simply hypothetical, you can call that "speculation" if you want.

The fact that the #1 receiver from a year ago was dealt for a mere 5th round pick isn't speculation at all. Would you buy a mint 2012 Porsche for $200 and think that everything was on the up and up?

There's more speculation in your "raped FO" take than in mine.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:48 PM
Read what I wrote. The details are simply hypothetical, you can call that "speculation" if you want.

The fact that the #1 receiver from a year ago was dealt for a mere 5th round pick isn't speculation at all. Would you buy a mint 2012 Porsche for $200 and think that everything was on the up and up?

There's more speculation in your "raped FO" take than in mine.

Is there more proof of Lloyd being a cancer or our FO being complete sh!t?

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 03:52 PM
Read what I wrote. The details are simply hypothetical, you can call that "speculation" if you want.

The fact that the #1 receiver from a year ago was dealt for a mere 5th round pick isn't speculation at all. Would you buy a mint 2012 Porsche for $200 and think that everything was on the up and up?

There's more speculation in your "raped FO" take than in mine.

I think perhaps you should look up the difference between "speculation" and "opinion". My take on our FO getting raped in this trade is an opinion. You're explanations for why Lloyd was traded (locker room cancer, etc), are speculation.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 03:53 PM
This really has nothing to do with Lloyd being a "cancer" tho.




Yes, because your original statement was just that stupid.



What? There are reports of Lloyd saying he's a cancer?



No I'm not ignoring that, how about you read my posts before you made this post... looking quite stupid now?

And Lloyd has been a terrible teammate? Where the hell is this coming from? What actual proof is there that he's been a horrible teammate in Denver? From what I recall, he's been on record by other young WR's to be always willing to help.

LOL

You must not realize how stupid you look right now.
Really, guy? Brandon Lloyd being a poor teammate in the past is a surprise to you?

www.google.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123001095.html

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:55 PM
Let me further elaborate on Dedhed's idiotic claim of Lloyd not trying... (this is the 1st I've heard this)...

This is just an example of a biased person not knowing what the **** he's watching:

There are plays where the ball is DEFINITELY not going to a certain side of the field (unless it breaks down). With this being said WR's league wide, every single WR in the LEAGUE, will have plays where they don't run full speed because they are there for a decoy/just taking up space/defenders on a certain side of the field.

Why do you think they lined up Tebow at WR? You think they were actually going to throw to him? You gonna call tebow a cancer for not fully running his route?

Dedhed, just shut the **** up, take your "hypothetical" ass elsewhere.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 03:57 PM
Really, guy? Brandon Lloyd being a poor teammate in the past is a surprise to you?

www.google.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123001095.html

Has Lloyd been a poor teammate in DENVER? Where YOUNG players have openly said that he's been as helpful as can be?

Look @ the date of that article, he was 25 at the time. You don't think he's learned anything? Have you learned anything from how old you are now from 5 years ago?

How about finding an article about him being a bad teammate in Denver..

Don't worry, we're waiting.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 03:59 PM
I think perhaps you should look up the difference between "speculation" and "opinion". My take on our FO getting raped in this trade is an opinion. You're explanations for why Lloyd was traded (locker room cancer, etc), are speculation.You're opinion is based on the speculation that Lloyd's value is higher than what the Broncos got.

There were multiple teams involved in discussions. The Broncos clearly took the best offer of the bunch. You can argue that Lloyd's value is higher than that if you want but, regardless of why, it's not.

It's my opinion that his value is so low due to do with issues that have followed him throughout his career.

db56
10-17-2011, 04:03 PM
I respect the hell out of B. Lloyd for how hard he worked to ressurect his career with the Broncos and I dont blame him for wanting to get payed.

Also, I dont blame the Broncos for not wanting to pay him because of the young talent developing beneath him and his age.

The only thing that irks me a little is the compensation, how does trading your #1 WR for a sixth rd pick that chances are, wont make the last roster cut, fair compensation?

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:04 PM
Has Lloyd been a poor teammate in DENVER? I don't know, and neither do you. "That Tebow thang" was pretty telling for me. And now we have the fact that he was only worth a 5th rounder on the trade block. If we're basing it on talent alone, he's clearly worth more than that, so what's dragging down his value?


Where YOUNG players have openly said that he's been as helpful as can be?I'm sure there's a link to those comments

Look @ the date of that article, he was 25 at the time. You don't think he's learned anything? Have you learned anything from how old you are now from 5 years ago?So that voids the fact that he's been a poor teammate at every stop? I've learned that not many zebras change their stripes.

How about finding an article about him being a bad teammate in Denver..

Don't worry, we're waiting.I never said he was a bad teammate in Denver. I said he's been a bad teammate everywhere else, and there was something that made his value far lower than his talent level would warrant.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:06 PM
The only thing that irks me a little is the compensation, how does trading your #1 WR for a sixth rd pick that chances are, wont make the last roster cut, fair compensation?
There's the rub. It only makes sense in a certain light.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 04:08 PM
I never said he was a bad teammate in Denver. I said he's been a bad teammate everywhere else, and there was something that made his value far lower than his talent level would warrant.

You literally talking about Lloyd like he's a Randy Moss or TO type cancer...

Let's just accept that Denver FO's gets repeatedly seduced by anal stimulation from the rest of the league.

And the fact that Lloyd is 30 and almost no team will want to pay him the contract his agent will most likely be asking for, and he's really only had 1 truly productive WR in the NFL. These are the things that matter.

Your locker room cancer **** is absolutely asinine, and you're really the only person here that believe it.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:10 PM
Look @ the date of that article, he was 25 at the time. You don't think he's learned anything? Have you learned anything from how old you are now from 5 years ago?

So you would think that after being benched he would learn something, right? So explain what he learned in two years given this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11116-later-brandon-lloyd-cut-as-the-washington-redskins-end-a-costly-mistake

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:14 PM
You literally talking about Lloyd like he's a Randy Moss or TO type cancer... No, I'm talking about him as if he lead the league in receiving a year ago, and was dealt for a 5th round pick. That's the truth, btw.


Your locker room cancer **** is absolutely asinine, and you're really the only person here that believe it.
It's not at all a secret that he was an issue in the locker room everywhere else he's played. I'm not making wild accusations here.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:17 PM
Let's just accept that Denver FO's gets repeatedly seduced by anal stimulation from the rest of the league.

And the fact that Lloyd is 30 and almost no team will want to pay him the contract his agent will most likely be asking for, and he's really only had 1 truly productive WR in the NFL. These are the things that matter.

How you reconcile these two statements is beyond logic. You argue that he's worth more than a 5th round pick, and in the next sentence state exactly why's he's not worth much.

Good work.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 04:18 PM
You're opinion is based on the speculation that Lloyd's value is higher than what the Broncos got.

There were multiple teams involved in discussions. The Broncos clearly took the best offer of the bunch. You can argue that Lloyd's value is higher than that if you want but, regardless of why, it's not.

It's my opinion that his value is so low due to do with issues that have followed him throughout his career.

Nope, that's not my take at all. My take is that trading Lloyd for so little is not worth our time. My take is that part of what killed his value was when they came out and said they would take a 3rd, 4th, or 5th him. My take is that if they had no intention of re-signing him they should've traded him in the offseason. My take is that there is zero actual evidence that we had to trade him, only speculation on the part of fans who want to feel better about the fact that we have clueless idiots running our favorite team.

Mr D
10-17-2011, 04:22 PM
How you reconcile these two statements is beyond logic. You argue that he's worth more than a 5th round pick, and in the next sentence state exactly why's he's not worth much.

Good work.

I have never argued he was worth more than a 5th round, can you ****in read dip****?

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:23 PM
Nope, that's not my take at all. My take is that trading Lloyd for so little is not worth our time. My take is that part of what killed his value was when they came out and said they would take a 3rd, 4th, or 5th him. My take is that if they had no intention of re-signing him they should've traded him in the offseason. My take is that there is zero actual evidence that we had to trade him, only speculation on the part of fans who want to feel better about the fact that we have clueless idiots running our favorite team.My take is that all of that makes sense in the light of the Broncos simply wanting him off the team, now.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:27 PM
I have never argued he was worth more than a 5th round, can you ****in read dip****?
So then why would you suggest that this is another example of the Broncos FO being seduced?

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 04:29 PM
My take is that all of that makes sense in the light of the Broncos simply wanting him off the team, now.

That I don't dispute. The reasons for it I don't necessarily believe are what you assume they are (though they could be). More to the point I simply find their complete lack of foresight in the situation (if they really reached a point where he couldn't stay on the team) inexcusable. And if it's just to dump the roster and cap, for Luck or otherwise? All I can say to that is "**** you EFX".

enjolras
10-17-2011, 04:31 PM
I don't know about a cancer, but LLoyd led essentially led a one man PR campaign for Orton in the off-season. I'm not surprised he (badly) wanted out when Tebow was promoted. I heard him on the radio several times openly advocating for Orton, he clearly doesn't believe he can put up contract numbers with Tebow pulling the trigger.

Rightly or wrongly, that's what this seems to be about.

Popps
10-17-2011, 04:38 PM
Doubt his trade request had anything to do with Orton, if he did indeed request anything.
The team saw a chance to get something before he left town seeking a big contract which the apparently weren't willing to pay... for probably a variety of reasons. I don't like sending off Tebow's best WR, but I assume there must have been ample reason to do something like this. This isn't a back-up linemen, it's our best WR. To dump him for a 6th tells you something is up.

But, to speculate what that is is somewhat useless. It's done.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:41 PM
I don't know about a cancer, but LLoyd led essentially led a one man PR campaign for Orton in the off-season. I'm not surprised he (badly) wanted out when Tebow was promoted. I heard him on the radio several times openly advocating for Orton, he clearly doesn't believe he can put up contract numbers with Tebow pulling the trigger.

Rightly or wrongly, that's what this seems to be about.

He requested a trade before Tebow was promoted. He wasn't happy with Fox's "run first" approach.

enjolras
10-17-2011, 04:43 PM
He requested a trade before Tebow was promoted. He wasn't happy with Fox's "run first" approach.

Point still holds... he's about getting his big contract and nothing more. I don't know if that makes you a "cancer", but he's definitely not a team player.

vonqkilla
10-17-2011, 04:43 PM
Mhr thinks he was the source for mike silver's 4th best qb story.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:45 PM
That I don't dispute. The reasons for it I don't necessarily believe are what you assume they are (though they could be). More to the point I simply find their complete lack of foresight in the situation (if they really reached a point where he couldn't stay on the team) inexcusable. And if it's just to dump the roster and cap, for Luck or otherwise? All I can say to that is "**** you EFX".

I find their lack of foresight disturbing as well. I was far more disturbed in regards to the QB situation, but I think dealing Lloyd now is making the best of the situation and amounts to addition by subtraction.

Of course I don't know they dealt him because of issues with him, but in my opinion it makes the most sense given that they didn't get much for him. To me it suggests that they simply wanted him off the team.

Dedhed
10-17-2011, 04:47 PM
Point still holds... he's about getting his big contract and nothing more. I don't know if that makes you a "cancer", but he's definitely not a team player.
True, but it points to much deeper seeded issues with the staff if he wanted out before Tebow got the job.

Bronx33
10-17-2011, 05:00 PM
LLoyds undying love for orton was a cancer.

crush17
10-17-2011, 05:00 PM
I find their lack of foresight disturbing as well. I was far more disturbed in regards to the QB situation, but I think dealing Lloyd now is making the best of the situation and amounts to addition by subtraction.

Of course I don't know they dealt him because of issues with him, but in my opinion it makes the most sense given that they didn't get much for him. To me it suggests that they simply wanted him off the team.

No more, no less.
You don't move him without good reason.

eddie mac
10-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Whilst Fox's undying love for being a loser is the biggest cancer of all. 2-19, how is that ****er even in a job???

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 05:03 PM
Whilst Fox's undying love for being a loser is the biggest cancer of all. 2-19, how is that ****er even in a job???

Pretty sure that Carolina was 2-14 last year, but your point has merit all the same.

Bronx33
10-17-2011, 05:04 PM
No more, no less.
You don't move him without good reason.

He wanted to leave (end of story)

eddie mac
10-17-2011, 05:04 PM
No more, no less.
You don't move him without good reason.

So they started Orton for 5 games with good reason.

Or maybe they ignored DL for good reason

Then again maybe they ignored waiver wire 2 pick for good reason.

These idiots couldn't run a high school football team.

Archer81
10-17-2011, 05:28 PM
Do you think there is any WR in the league that runs full speed every play? considering that Lloyd is on the field for almost all the offensive plays, I think he's shown in film enough that he gives effort.

If Lloyd had an effort issue he would have BEEN gone as the starter, not here, but with McDaniels AND with Fox.

As I said, people just make up **** for no damn reason.


Yes.

Once upon a time, Denver had two of them. Mr McCaffrey and Mr Smith. Now...probably Welker or Fitzgerald.

:Broncos:

crush17
10-17-2011, 05:31 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19131036

Have a read. It clearly explains that Brandon Lloyd wanted out.
He says it himself here in this article. Any more haters want to say they know better than this front office?

Bronx33
10-17-2011, 05:32 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19131036

Have a read. It clearly explains that Brandon Lloyd wanted out.
He says it himself here in this article. Any more haters want to say they know better than this front office?



Thats all i need to know and thats all the FO needs to know.

crush17
10-17-2011, 05:33 PM
Thats all i need to know and thats all the FO needs to know.

EXACTLY.

I can't believe the venom towards the FO over this from some of you jerk offs.